Hey Ramon, such a brilliant docu-video... I'm amazed at the acoustic range/response of these instruments ...not to mention David's playing and knowledge ...truly a scholar of this medium, and quite a few others I'm guessing. Mucho thanx to you both and... cheers I'd luv to see more vids along this line BTW, and I forgot to rant about the frets, how tedious and difficult these things must be to tune and also a gut strung harpsichord !?!?
Hi there, found this really fascinating thanks and hungry for more :-) would love to see a video like this on the origins of the classical guitar... many thanks:)
The guitar concert mentioned at the end of this segment was billed as a 'guitar in' at the Royal festival hall in 1967. The other guitarists were Bert Jansch and Paco Pena.
Great video. What a complex instrument. Now I understand where the term Luthier came from, mean, there is a little bit more to it before you can start playing ..lol .... Tuning 24 strings and positioning the frets. 😉
The European lute is a replica of the Arabic oud which the French used to call L'oud, later Anglicised as lute, replacing the 'd' letter with a 't'. And by historical musicology, the oud was originally imported from Persia where it was called 'barbat', meaning, 'the duck's breast' in allude to its gourd shape. The barbat itself was heavily copied from an early Indian ur-instrument called rudrī.
Me, I'd rather no jazz at all. As Julian Bream said, although he appreciated and even enjoyed occasionally playing the style , he "would not feel musically bereaved" if he never heard it again. Your guest is right about Weiss, who is my favourite composer for baroque lute. Weiss's music suffers when transcribed to the 6 string guitar, some works survive the process but the bulk really need a few extra bordons to retain their integrity.
Thanks for this great and insightful video. I am unsure that Bach and Weiss worked together in Dresden though. I know that they did spent some time (and "jammed") together in Bach's household in Leipsig. I would pay anything to hear the two of them play together!
This was an incredibly nice surprise and departure from the more usual content...which I also enjoy. I've always liked the lute...as long as I can remember anyway. I have a little question for Dave. That 13 course lute...the one that made me want to punch myself in the face thinking about changing the strings.....had fret demarcations on the soundboard. Are those embossed or actual frets? And why are they there? Just looking at it they seem like they'd be next to impossible to voice.
Hi they're actual frets, they used to put little nicks in the side of the neck where the catgut string was wrapped round the neck and tied (or burnt together) to make the frets. I'm a guitarist but played the lute for a while because I like the pieces so much and you can't get anything to sound like a lute, but... they are a bugger to keep in tune, they're so light that if you even sit next to a radiator the thin woods start moving a tiny bit and your tuning goes, and with tuning pegs it's very time consuming and, also, there's no fingerboard on top of the neck, the neck pretty much just comes out of the body so the action can be quite high. No truss rod! You can get (later) baroque lutes with 17 strings. Magic sound though, it sort of has its own reverb.
@@johndanter2246 Thank you for that information. That area really does look difficult to get to...especially on that multi course lute he had at the end of the video. If what you say is right, and those have highish action on a good day, what do you do up there? Is it purely aesthetic? Or maybe so you can voice a harmonic?
Frankly, I've never seen any tab that used those very high ones on the sound board, and I didn't have them on my (cheapish) one. I can't imagine getting a note up there without having to let go of any other note, so maybe they're ornamental as you suggest.
If guitar does not belong to the Lute family, then can you elaborate how guitar invented/started/developed?? Please don't say that it just falled in Europe out of thin air! Also there are a lot of other lute like instruments that has the word TAR in it, like guiTAR, doTAR, seTAR, panchTAR, 4 thousands years old charTAR, Indian siTAR, etc. TAR means string in Persian
Thanks - Its my understanding that the moors introduced the Oud to Spain through thier migration across the Maghreb. Definately an idea for a future video!
@@TheGuitarShow This is my brother's stepson's meadery. I confess, even though I've visited the meadery I've never tried it either. www.mcalpinemead.com/
@@TheGuitarShow Me too. Maybe I'll get it free since I'm a relative. Never played a lute, though I did try to play a sitar once in the 60's. Obviously failed horribly.
not a bad introduction, but the host is very ignorant. He interrupts and says stupid things, and dave has to politely correct him. Sorry, i mean no offense.
the most fascinating video I've watched on RUclips !! brilliant, thank you to you both.
Thanks so much, Dave also says thanks .
Thank you for the video lesson
Pleasure
Fascinating video! Dave’s a fountain of knowledge on this subject thanks for sharing!
Great video mate
Glad you enjoyed
Bro again big respect to your great work and efforts making people aware of many things either technical or historical .👍👍👍
Aww thanks bro so kind! ☕ Next week!
Cool.
Really Very Interesting Too
Glad you enjoyed it
Hey Ramon, such a brilliant docu-video... I'm amazed at the acoustic range/response
of these instruments ...not to mention David's playing and knowledge ...truly a scholar
of this medium, and quite a few others I'm guessing. Mucho thanx to you both and... cheers
I'd luv to see more vids along this line BTW, and I forgot to rant about the frets, how
tedious and difficult these things must be to tune and also a gut strung harpsichord !?!?
Gotta luv that headstock angle...
Hi there, found this really fascinating thanks and hungry for more :-) would love to see a video like this on the origins of the classical guitar... many thanks:)
I can arrange that soon. Thanks
The Guitar Show That sounds Brilliant... really happy about that :)
The guitar concert mentioned at the end of this segment was billed as a 'guitar in' at the Royal festival hall in 1967. The other guitarists were Bert Jansch and Paco Pena.
Amazing thanks i thought it was something id made up in my head!
@@TheGuitarShow Oh,and Jimi Hendrix(did he mention that?)
That was fascinating! Thanks!
Pleasure James
Great video. What a complex instrument.
Now I understand where the term Luthier came from, mean, there is a little bit more to it before you can start playing ..lol .... Tuning 24 strings and positioning the frets. 😉
😂😂😂😂
Very relaxing
Thanks Don
The European lute is a replica of the Arabic oud which the French used to call L'oud, later Anglicised as lute, replacing the 'd' letter with a 't'. And by historical musicology, the oud was originally imported from Persia where it was called 'barbat', meaning, 'the duck's breast' in allude to its gourd shape. The barbat itself was heavily copied from an early Indian ur-instrument called rudrī.
Brilliant thank you ❤
Me, I'd rather no jazz at all. As Julian Bream said, although he appreciated and even enjoyed occasionally playing the style , he "would not feel musically bereaved" if he never heard it again.
Your guest is right about Weiss, who is my favourite composer for baroque lute. Weiss's music suffers when transcribed to the 6 string guitar, some works survive the process but the bulk really need a few extra bordons to retain their integrity.
Excellent comment - thanks!
fallen in love with lure music, can somebody please tell me the song he plays at 24:30 cant quite here what he said but so relaxing, cheers
Ill get Dave to reply thanks Shaun
@ 3:24 ...such an unusual metre. This takes me back (WAY back, to the 700's ? wow)
I'm pleased to give the 100th "like" to this very informative, and interesting presentation. Thanks, gents.
Thanks Robert
Thanks for this great and insightful video. I am unsure that Bach and Weiss worked together in Dresden though.
I know that they did spent some time (and "jammed") together in Bach's household in Leipsig. I would pay anything to hear the two of them play together!
Pleasure
Great informative comment!
Este laúd es de 6 órdenes? Es el primer laúd que debemos tener?
This was an incredibly nice surprise and departure from the more usual content...which I also enjoy. I've always liked the lute...as long as I can remember anyway. I have a little question for Dave. That 13 course lute...the one that made me want to punch myself in the face thinking about changing the strings.....had fret demarcations on the soundboard. Are those embossed or actual frets? And why are they there? Just looking at it they seem like they'd be next to impossible to voice.
Pleasure Steven, Dave?
You introduced your friend as Dave and suggested we might direct a question to him...should I have been more formal with "Mr. Parsons"?
Hi they're actual frets, they used to put little nicks in the side of the neck where the catgut string was wrapped round the neck and tied (or burnt together) to make the frets. I'm a guitarist but played the lute for a while because I like the pieces so much and you can't get anything to sound like a lute, but... they are a bugger to keep in tune, they're so light that if you even sit next to a radiator the thin woods start moving a tiny bit and your tuning goes, and with tuning pegs it's very time consuming and, also, there's no fingerboard on top of the neck, the neck pretty much just comes out of the body so the action can be quite high. No truss rod! You can get (later) baroque lutes with 17 strings. Magic sound though, it sort of has its own reverb.
@@johndanter2246 Thank you for that information. That area really does look difficult to get to...especially on that multi course lute he had at the end of the video. If what you say is right, and those have highish action on a good day, what do you do up there? Is it purely aesthetic? Or maybe so you can voice a harmonic?
Frankly, I've never seen any tab that used those very high ones on the sound board, and I didn't have them on my (cheapish) one. I can't imagine getting a note up there without having to let go of any other note, so maybe they're ornamental as you suggest.
I want to learn lute..anyone can advise where in UK?
Maybe Dave can answer this?
I'm trying to picture a baroque Leo Fender adding drone bass strings to an early Telecaster! 😂
lol
Mr gazwic its Makai from school
John Dowland,without a doubt....but Robert Johnson is also worth checking out.
Absolutely
Lutz Kirchof
@@YK-BCS-KY Meaning ?
@@maxcuthbert100 hey played Dowland pieces the best.
Don't forget Valentin Bakfark - a Renaissance Hungarian lute player, songwriter and composer.
Very interesting , a real history lesson. Cheers 👍
Pleasure Shaun
If guitar does not belong to the Lute family, then can you elaborate how guitar invented/started/developed?? Please don't say that it just falled in Europe out of thin air!
Also there are a lot of other lute like instruments that has the word TAR in it, like guiTAR, doTAR, seTAR, panchTAR, 4 thousands years old charTAR, Indian siTAR, etc.
TAR means string in Persian
Thanks - Its my understanding that the moors introduced the Oud to Spain through thier migration across the Maghreb. Definately an idea for a future video!
Ramon's new spinoff is going to be called "The Lute Show". So what beverage will go good with the Chat? Mead?
😂 Lol never had mead but would love to try it!!
@@TheGuitarShow This is my brother's stepson's meadery. I confess, even though I've visited the meadery I've never tried it either.
www.mcalpinemead.com/
@@jltrem amazing thanks I must try some sometime
@@TheGuitarShow Me too. Maybe I'll get it free since I'm a relative. Never played a lute, though I did try to play a sitar once in the 60's. Obviously failed horribly.
@@jltrem you must try it and also the mead lol
Just think what the early Lute players could have achieved if the had a Wha pedal.
Now thats a thought!!
not a bad introduction, but the host is very ignorant. He interrupts and says stupid things, and dave has to politely correct him. Sorry, i mean no offense.
you look bored
Actually it was a fascinating show - I really love how Dave explained the lute and Im a big fan of John Dowland