@@soggydog1212 prequels are my favorite in the series. Like I love the originals, but the action is just too stale, and feels more like im watching a western than a Sci-Fi. I love westerns though, don't get me wrong. The prequels are just more fun to watch, at least *in my opinion*. I wouldn't mind reading a book if it helps me understand more of the set universem
@@MrHuxley It's nice seeing someone who doesn't put the OT as n°1. For me the OT and the PT are one story, so they're equals to me. And while both trilogies (even the ST to some extent) have interesting characters and story, it's only the PT that has really interesting locations and made the Galaxy feel vast and otherworldly, and makes me want to know more about this universe than anything else. Plus the era is more interesting to me generally.
@@shallows529 yeah, we got so many more interesting locations, people, stories and stuff from the Prequels. Obviously we wouldn't have any of that without the OT, which is amazing even to this day. It is definitely the most alluring era of the series, but the OT is what got us here, with its stellar scenaries for the time, and of course the killer build-a-bears. Both Trilogies are equally amazing, for its own reasons
Correction, there was another sith lord watching over Plageius and the other 2. This mystery sith lord was unidentified but was whispering to himself "messa so smarty, theysa never seen messa bombad planning coming" who do you think this secret sith lord is???
it is fantastic, i would love to see it adapted as an animated series as well and done justice. plageuis and tenebrous are super fascinating characters imo
Even as a kid seeing ROTS I had a feeling Sidious was the apprentice who killed Plageuis in his sleep but tried to pass the story up as "a Sith Legend" to Anakin as part of his sowing of deception and doubt in Anakin's mind. Well, I guess it was obvious when Palpy reflects on it with his famous "Ironic. He could save others from death, but not himself."
I was always under the impression that the “legend of Darth Plagueis the wise” was just a manipulative ploy, telling Anakin what he wanted to hear in order to get him to turn. I never believed that Plegueis even existed, let alone that Palpatine was his apprentice. I just assumed he made the whole thing up.
It’s the way he kinda has a hidden smirk, perhaps it implies to the audience that he might have done those acts himself, but he is still telling a story. so as a kid, you probably saw his crooked smile while he said that & even as a kid, you were able to see that story being Palpatine’s story . It’s also the beginning of the end for anakin after that talk with Palpatine . So it’s also “ironic” that after he has such a reliable relationship with anakin, he lured him into the dark side with that which he craved which was a way to save his wife
I'm reading Darth Plagueis right now and oh my God, it is so good. Definitely one of, if not the best Star Wars novel ever written. It provides such an incredible dive into the history and philosophy of the Sith, as well as Palpatine's training and rise. The whole manner in which Luceno brings Nietzchienism and Machiavellianism to explain what they Sith stand for. And then on top of that, it blends political intrigue as Plagueis and Palpatinenplay their games to get the Sith into power. And then on top of THAT, the book brings in so many references, nods, and cameos of other parts of Star Wars lore and stories, it's insane. It connects Old Republic, Prequels, Clone Wars, and Galactic Civil War lore in such an amazing way. It's the Prequel to the Prequels.
Yeah, I've read it. It reminds me of watching deleted scenes on a DVD. I get to see (or read in this case) more of what was going on during The Phantom Menace.
I remember the first time I saw ROTJ. My father asked my how I liked it. I told I don’t understand why everyone loves Vader. The emperor is the man and I really wish we knew more about him. Plagueis to me as well is the best SW book.
@@potatopotato1382 Vader was an ungrateful traitor. The emperor gave him a beautiful new suit to grow into. Even after Vader carelessly let the Death Star be destroyed the emperor gave him the Executor. His poor leadership skills and his tunnel vision made him make poor tactical decisions by promoting the wrong people and as a result the executor was lost by crashing into the second Death Star. If the emperor was the evil man he is made out to be he would’ve just kicked Vader into the lava river on Mustafar. The emperor showered Vader with ships, and castles and wisdom for positive reinforcement and he was stabbed(grabbed) in the back by that ingrate. For shame!
@@drp1bb856 Well the suit the emperor gave Vader was a punishment for losing to obi-wan. The suit barely functioned, and was painful to walk around in. (Vader kept the suit when offered an upgrade because the pain fueled his dark side powers). The suit prevented vader from using force lightning, because any tiny amount of force lightning would cause to suit to fail (which is why vader died when he was shocked) Emperor is a cool character, but that's because he's a jerk imo
Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis The Wise? I thought not. It’s not a story the Jedi would tell you. It’s a Sith legend. Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Sith, so powerful and so wise he could use the Force to influence the midichlorians to create life… He had such a knowledge of the dark side that he could even keep the ones he cared about from dying. The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural. He became so powerful… the only thing he was afraid of was losing his power, which eventually, of course, he did. Unfortunately, he taught his apprentice everything he knew, then his apprentice killed him in his sleep. Ironic. He could save others from death, but not himself
Isent that according to the rule of two there can only be two sith living in any given time, so why is there third one, when I thought Plageus should have been killed off, before Darth Sidious could take Darth Maul as his new apprentice.
@@fr0gm0th25 Yes I heard in one Star Wars legends video, that Darth Plageus was killed in his sleep straight after Darth Sidious became the new senator and that happened in middle of Phantom Menace with Palpatine becomming the new senator itself.
@@jout738 Palpatine had no care for the rule, that's why he violated it so much. In fact he didn't care for the ancient sith at all, and neither did they care for him. Can't remember the comic but there's one where Palpatine visits the ancient sith planet and is scared off by angry sith ghosts.
@@jout738That's what I always thought, though I had heard a long time ago that Maul was supposedly a "Sith Assassin". Thereby skirting the Rule of Two. (Though Palpatine clearly calls Maul his apprentice here. 😕) I had thought that Palpatine had killed his master long before TPM, but this novel mentions that Plageous met (or at least saw) Anakin right after he came to the Capitol...didn't he? I guess that one of these days I'm just going to have read this book myself.
Back in 1999 I thought the sith lord shown here (palpatine) is not the emperor from episode 6 but his master, because he was voiced by a completly different voice actor in the german dub. I also thought that sith-masters just all look like that, old guy with a black robe.
I figured the Sidius shown here was one of Palpatine’s clones, and the real Palpatine is in hiding somewhere. He did clone himself, so he could basically be immortal.
@@MasterAnakinSkyWalker in the old Kanon what is now Legend. There was the story that palpatine cloned himself but the original died in ep.6 and somehow he tranfered his soul in one of the clones with the force
In Maul: Lockdown, Maul is sent to find an arms dealer in a prison to buy a nuclear weapon to hand over to the Bando Gora gang. This gang uses said weapon to attack Plaguis' moon of Sojourn in the Plaguis novel. Maul: Shadowhunter also took place in Plaguis, but the events of that book were summed up within a relatively short portion of Plaguis
To be fair, the insecure and overbearing father, the spineless and vacillating mother, siblings barely worth more than a mention. That's not a family that would be terribly missed.
I love how the story for Darth Plagueis The Wise is reflected at the end of Return of the Jedi (although the roles are switched), the apprentice kills the master and while he (Vader) could save others, he couldn't save himself. It's like poetry, it rhymes
Which is why I think the story works so well. The whole point of Anakin turning to the dark side was to save padme from death. He failed saving his mother and then he failed saving padme. So when he saw his son crying out for help to save him he realized he could save someone who was part of his family. He probably also remembered the time where he told padme that her being pregnant was the greatest thing to happen to him.
I loved Darth Plageuis, it was a fantastic novel which worked so well w the prequels and rest of the EU. Would’ve been so awesome to see a glimpse of Plageuis on Coruscant in TPM since iirc, he was alive until maul died
@@doctorreed_ yea that’s right thanks for the reminder! I really wish we could’ve gotten a glimpse of a hooded Plageuis on Coruscant in TPM. I think Sidious ended him at around the time maul died on Naboo
@@doctorreed_ he kills plagueis before he is elected not after... whilst practicing his acceptance speech for becoming the new chancellor he gets plagueis drunk then kills him
There are 3 here because, while he was sidious' apprentice, maul was "technically" a sith assassin and not a sith lord. So it's *technically* not against the code, even if it betrays the spirit of it. But betrayal is par for the course with sith so meh
The Phantom Menace really suffers from not the audience not understanding what's going on prior to the start of the film. It opens and you get hit in the face with 'trade taxation' and seemingly boring stuff. Conversely, political intrigue and threat is interesting and really the stuff going on in the background with Palpatine and Plageus scheming would have helped Valorum's later fall from power and the first stages of the Sith's plans coming to fruition more significant.
@@Puppet33 The lore that gave better context to the proceeding film was certainly developed later. But I wonder what if there'd been a better introduction to TPM, even if that might have prevented Plageus from ever being a thing. Ying and yang, but TPM might've been a better film as a result. What luck it didn't sour the well...
One of the things I personally loved about this book is that as great as it is on its own merits, it also serves to organize the events around Episode I into a way that enhances the overall story of the prequels, in my opinion. I would love to see this novel made canon.
I still believe that’s where they were going with the sequels, the changed their mind because fans were guessing that Snoke was Plageious. I think that would have been amazing… he had survived Palpatines attack which left him scarred, and had been watching and pulling strings in the shadows for decades. Would have been far better than what we got.
the way I see it, you can choose whatever you want to be canon, basically "your personal canon." For example, I have found a work around to allow 2003 clone wars to fit in with 2008 clone wars.
The plagueis novel is the best starwars book hands down. I’ve been waiting for it to be canon for so long. There’s nothing in the book that would contradict canon in its current state I don’t think.
U are correct. Palpatine master was alive during episode first. Sidious plan was to kill him in 2 vs 1 with Maul later on but after Naboo thing when Kenobi cutted Maul legs Palpatine had to do something. So Sidious killed his master when a guy was sleeping like a coward. Palpatine knew he wouldnt win in 1 vs 1 that's why he needed Maul or some trick
Well also to be fair and I think that's why he sets up Vader's suit like that, he also arced the lightning at Plageuis respirator iirc so made that malfunction weakening him more.
None of the sith that we've seen starting from Tenebrous to Vader have followed the Rule of Two by ripping the mantle of Dark Lord from their Master. Each used cunning and guile instead of combat prowess
I wish this too, but the Acolyte will be set over 100 years before TPM. And the series will be inspired from the new Disney High Republic comics and novels, which they consider cannon now
Yep and he truly had his eyes set on young Anakin. Sidious was known for using multiple darksiders and discarding the weaker ones in favor of the more powerful ones. In the end, however, Sidious really didn’t care about the Rule of Two. He never intended to ever be succeeded. He was only out for himself and that was what brought both his downfall and the downfall of the Bane line of Sith Lords. 🤔
Both Sidious and Plagueis were grooming Dooku in one way or another throughout Sidious’s entire time as senator, but it was mainly in hopes he would leave the order and cause some sort of conflict. Maul’s defeat was a nice coincidence which allowed Sidious to recruit Dooku as a temporary apprentice.
@@tiffanybatcheller-harris522 yep, sidious used the "sith assassin" and "inquisitor" titles for the ones who weren't his *direct* apprentices as a way to skirt around the rules. Hence why you have mara jade as his personal assassin running around at the same time vader.
Yikes. Then that means, when Palpatine was telling Anakin about Plagueis, he was admitting to a murder he committed relatively recently… 😬 Edit: The key word is ‘relatively’. I know it’d probably been years by that point.
Not exactly recently though. Palpatine murdered his master on the eve of his ascension as Supreme Chancellor in 32 BBY. Tells Anakin the story at the end of the Clone Wars, after the death of Dooku in 19 BBY. So I would say around 13 years are there between the 2 events.
He knew. Maul was, by technicality, a "sith assassin" and not a "sith lord", and the rule of two only counts sith lords. It's one of those things that - because the sith love betrayal and hate rules - they tend to get... um... "creative" with the rule of two's limitations.
When they say rule of two I think its actually more of a rule of 2 known sith bc any sith apprentice at some point will want to replace his master and the master will always want to keep power till death it's the nature of the sith so the apprentice will almost always need a secret partner in order to kill the master bc a true sith master will never teach his apprentice all his knowledge or the apprentice will hav no reason not to kill the master like with Darth Plagueis and Palpatine
There can be many assassins working for the sith (inquisitors for example) but they’re not actual sith, just dark side users who may one day join the sith if one of them dies
Darth plagueis easy one of my fav sith lords. Even though he has very little cannon involvement. There's rumors he even went to meet anakin at padmaes palace but stopped because qui gon was there and qui gon followed the will of the force unlike other jedi. Palpatine feared qui gon for that reason alone
I would like to know how Palpatine rises to such a position of influence in the Republic/Senate - did he enter the political sphere from a young age? Is this explored in any of the books?
@@greatdelusion7654 Well everything that was outside the Films were considered 'Expanded Universe' when Lucas still owned the IP...after Disney brought it from him, the only things that remained Official Canon from his Era are the Original Films and The Clone Wars CGI (not the animated CN shorts) show. Everything else became 'Legends', and new Banner under Disney that's not Canon. But every else released under Disney ownership of Star Wars (Books, Films, TV shows, Video Games, etc) for the most are considered 'Canon'. Hope that helps.
@@greatdelusion7654 short version is that after disney bought it they nuked everything that wasn't the 6th films and the clone wars cgi show so they could start fresh and not be bound by 40 years of canon. It was very controversial at the time and still is.
I’ve got the book and I have to say it was so good I recommend it to all and it shows a new light on the prequels, only thing I don’t like is WHY IS IT LEGENDS, it fits in perfectly with canon but apart from that it’s top tier Star Wars lore
Very funny, then, for Palpatine to tell Plagueis's story to Anakin as if it's a tale that the Jedi would've heard about, as if it didn't happen a decade or two ago lol
Still? He is the key because he is part of it, yes. He is no Sith Lord, seriously? He is the only reason, why things went the way they were because he is the kind of character that does things without knowing that they may lead to the Dark Side or not.
@@MarkEmperor The final concept of Jar Jar Binks when filming The Phantom Menace was that he was Sidious's sith master named Darth Plagueis (because his foolish antics are like a plague), but that idea was later scraped because of fan reaction to Jar Jar Binks. Jar Jar as a Sith Master was replaced by the Muun called Darth Plagueis and Count Dooku in the films before the release of Attack of the Clones.
I know I’m in the minority here, but the fact that Plageius was “just off screen” was one of the things that kinda ruined the book for me. Takes away from Palpatine’s role if his master is still alive this late into the game. Especially when we learn he’d been Plageius’s apprentice since his early 20s. Never felt like the book gave a good enough reason for Palpy keeping Plageius around that long. Having Plaguey know about BOTH Maul and Dooku didn’t help, either. Whole Rule of Two thing was really more of a suggestion than a rule for the Sith, I guess.
If I recall correctly, Palpatine never found a chance or opening to kill Plagueis until the moment he did it. He was also unsure on weather or not he actually killed Plagueis. Or if he could even be killed.
Maul was more of a Sith assassin, not a full on apprentice, and Dooku was still being groomed towards the dark side in other material by the time of TPM, having turned after Qui Gons death
@@ouroboros5793 In "The Phantom Menace," Palpatine says to Darth Maul, "You have been well-trained, my young apprentice," so I'm not sure about that. If he wasn't fully trained in the Sith ways, he wouldn't have lasted nearly as long as he did against Qui Gon and Obi-Wan.
@@Leondrius Well, of course Palpy wouldn’t have just told to Maul “you’re just a blunt instrument, I don’t give a shit about you”. It’s like he had straight out told Dooku he was just being used to serve as the victim of Anakin’s first murder.
That was the one thing I absolutely HATED about Plagueis the book. He should've been dead years before Phantom Menace. Just subtracts from Palpatine. And just to prevent hate aimed my way, I absolutely loved that novel and 99% of it I would love to be canon again.
I’m pretty sure in New Canon Plagueis died well before the Phantom Menace even took place. Which I personally like and it adds even further credence to Maul being an actual Apprentice, which I personally still believed he was in Legends though others would try and dispute it
@Spider-Flash Yeah it was starting to somewhat face out and be bended to the max. Maul being taken in was kinda the shattering of the rule, even though Sidious claimed to Plagueis he would only be a Sith Assassin, in actuality he basically was already Sidious’s actual apprentice.
The book also implies that Palpatine was manipulating Plagueis for much of their later time together, especially after the almost successful assassination attempt against the latter. If anything, that makes Palpatine even more of a genius because he not only outwitted the galaxy, the Republic, and the Jedi Order, but his own Sith Master "The Wise" as well
That’s honestly really interesting since I always figured Plagueis didn’t know about Maul at all. I thought Palpatine kept him a well hidden secret from his master, not wanting to do overtly fly in the face of the rule of two
Been a while since I read Plagueis but I believe he felt as though he and Sidious would be the ones to break the rule of two, they were the Endgame per say of the rule and would complete the Sith wish of dominating the galaxy together so he wouldn't be overtly furious with Sidious using Maul
I read the Plagueis book right after so it has been a while but I want to say that he knew and approved of it. If I remember correctly he had a different mindset and it felt like once they had the chosen one he was going to abolish the rule of two.
I know it’s dumb, but it feels weird that Sith Lords rent urban apartments. I feel like it would be more appropriate for them to float leg-crossed in a tank or something. Imagine evicting a Sith Lord .
This however is legends and not canon. Whatever you think about legends or canon, I personally like the idea the Darth Plagueis is dead by the time of Phantom menace so that way it feels like the prequels were all orchestrated by palpatine solely
Darth Plagueis is hands down the best book and the audiobook is amazing. His character is smart, sarcastic, sophisticated, charismatic with zero tolerance. I was pretty upset how Plagueis let his guard down with Palpatine after this scene because 114D translated Maul calling Palpatine “Master” which went against their plan. I don’t know WHY Plagueis let his guard down that night after the opera, he should’ve been on high alert and had his security stay that night after hearing that, but Palpatine was charismatic himself. This novel also made me genuinely feel sorry Maul, he was used as a Pawn, Plagueis actually praised him for his works while Palpatine chastised him for being sloppy and prideful, only if Maul knew of Plagueis
This is Legends not canon btw... but Legends was canon when the movie was made, so I think the video is still accurate, in a way. He 'dies' like 20+ years b4 the movies, and before Palpatine even met Maul.
Plagueis died shortly after the scene in The Phantom Menace where Palpatine became senator. Maul was technically the 2nd sith in the rule of two until he "died" and the plan was for him to be a full-fledged apprentice (though Palpatine really wanted to find the chosen one and replace Maul eventually)
Yeah it's a bit weird learning Plagueis was alive during Phantom Menace. The way Palps talks about him during Episode 3 you'd think the guy had been dead for 20 years at the bare minimum.
In New Canon Plagueis died well before the Phantom Menace even took place. Which I personally like and it adds even further credence to Maul being an actual Apprentice, which I personally still believed he was in Legends though others would try and dispute it. I also feel it adds more to Palpatine’s character as well. He pulled it off arguably all by himself!
The real canon is Jar Jar is the Phantom Menace Sith...... the switch from 'go lucky' 'menace' to a 'darker voice and serious attitude' would of shook the universe..
I mean In legends he technically was a "sith apprentice" but only as placeholder. It was always going to be temporary. Plaguies and sidious viewed him merely as an assassin. The novel goes in depth about this.
I don't actually like that Maul was ever considered as an apprentice, I like to think that he was meant to be the Grand Inquisitor, hence the double bladed sabers, and how neither are exceptionally gifted in the force, but are aggressive in combat. Neither could hope to stand up to Vader, or to Palpatine, and it makes me believe that Palpatine was always arrogant, and thought that he would always be the ruler of the galaxy, which helps cement his defeat in Episode 6.
@@JoeMama-ho2ll cap. Darth Bane started the rule of two to ensure that there would only be one master, and one apprentice. A system to where the two would rule together, and when the apprentice became more powerful, they would have to overthrow their master to prove themselves as the more powerful sith
I’m confused, why is Plagueis letting Palpatine train an apprentice? I haven’t read the book but I know the Sith have the Rule of Two, so shouldn’t Palpatine training Maul have been a clear sign to Plageuis that he was about to be betrayed? I had always assumed Palpatine killed Plageuis years before the movies and then trained Maul.
My guess is by this point the rule of two was being abandoned and plagues probably thought he could take sidius. Palpatine may have just been a pawn to buy time for plagueis to gain immortality and then kill him off, so one more sith was just more time gained.
the whole point of the rule of two is to let them try anyways. if they are stronger, then you didn't deserve to call yourself a darth in the first place.
The sith never cared about rules to begin with the whole point of being a sith is to be deceitful, and care about own self to gain power and over rule everyone else And the sith always betray each other
The RUle of Two doesnt mean ONLY TWO SITH exist. It is like the rule of rats. If you see one, there are 20 more around. Unlike a Jedi, if you see a Jedi he could just be by himself.
Plus it was common practice for the Apprentice to seek out their own apprentice before attempting to kill their master. This happened all the way in the beginning with Darth Bane's apprentice (legends)
TPM can definitely be redeemed with a show that goes into the relationship between Sidious and Plageius. The last episodes could even tie in directly with TPM itself just like the final clone wars episodes go directly into ROTS.
This sort of conflicts with “The Rule of Two”. Why didn’t Plagueis do anything about it? Why was Maul called “Darth Maul” if Palpatine hadn’t killed his master yet? There definitely needs to be a series or movie about this.
@@david9243 obviously sith are allowed by the rule of two to have as many darksiders working for them as they want but they can’t be part of the sith order, but maul was still for some reason called “Darth” at that point but he shouldn’t have been, he should have just been maul
@@david9243 yep. Plagueis specifically told Sidious he was not to be trained as a Sith but marveled at this combat skills and aggression. His seeing that Sidious had betrayed him so late was one of his only blind spots. Even then, however, it is expected of Sith apprentices to crave the power and seek to seize it eventually so he may not have been troubled by it at all. In fact, it was probable a source of confirmation he had chosen a worthy apprentice.
Plagueis: "Ah, it's so nice watching my apprentice continue the rule of 2 with his own apprentice. I somehow feel like I'm forgetting something crucial though... Oh well, time to go to bed, I'll just ponder that thought more tomorrow"
So here is a question since I've never read that book, so Plagueis knew about Darth Maul? Isn't that a violation of the Rule of Two? 1 master 1 apprentice, but Palpatine was both Master and Apprentice at the same time. It's a bit odd that Plagueis didn't put a stop and either put Palpatine in his place or get rid of him all together as a rival.
I always thought Maul was intended to be nothing more than a pawn and Palpatine wasn't really training him to be an actual sith. He was more an assassin that anything else but palp treated him like a sith to keep up the facade until he was done with him.
This completely goes against the "Rule of 2" that Darth Bane implemented. I'm glad it isn't canon. Otherwise it just conflicts with the belief system of the Sith.
I can't argue that it's probably one of the best Star Wars novels I've read, but I was a little disappointed at how close in time the events were to the Phantom Menace. In ROTS, Palpatine tells Anakin that Plaguis could influence the midichlorians in his own blood and even use the force to keep those he loved from dying. My personal interpretation of that was that he could prolong lives indefinitely effectively making himself and anyone he chose immortal. The implication (at least to me) was that Palpatine, obviously the apprentice, was centuries old and this further explains why he became so disfigured from his fight with Windu. The sheer exertion of trying to hold off Windu's attack took so much out of him that all those extra years finally caught up with him, making him look extremely decrepit.
Interesting. I never thought about that ever. Always felt that maybe Plaguis could do that. Maybe. But most likely Palpatine was just lying cuz he knew Anikan wanted that power.
Or it was just the lightning that hit him in the face. Like. That’s all it needs to be. Also, in the context of the movies alone, your theory doesn’t really makes sense. Palpatine was from an established family on Naboo. He’d been the senator from there before he was the chancellor. They’d have had a hint if he at least wasn’t who he claimed to be, his family wasn’t established, birthday didn’t match. I get this is your personal view, but there’s no implication in the movies themselves that the statement was meant to be taken the way you did and multiple things that imply it wasn’t meant the way you took it.
I got the vibe that the sith master just jumped into the padawan, therefore conquered death. Hence there was always just two and the emperor wanted an apprentice strong in the force as a youth. He was quite keen on Luke striking him down from a young body strong in the force after his initial Anakin body was destroyed. Same with the sequels and the need for a decent body to inhabit with the sith force ghost. Leaping body to body as a short term goal rather than join the force and be omnipresent
Coruscant had billions of people, and a huge underworld of people who would give off "dark side vibes" not to mention knowing how to sheild themselves from other force sensitives. it's relatively easy thing to do when there is so much "noise" all around you
In the Book of Sith there is an short text from Bane explaining that there is nothing wrong getting force sensitives under your command. You just must never train them as full apprentices intented to be successors. Train them as tools - hunters, killers, infiltrators - and never hesitate to kill them when one dares to become too powerful.
Why the Outer Rim Sieges were a bloody meat-grinder:
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Hate they made the book none Canon
Is lord sidius palpating
Clickbaiting won't get you far on RUclips
I absolutely love that novel.
@@d2heffz231 it’s click bait how exactly
The Darth Plagueis novel sure made me look differently on Ep. I and the other two Prequels as a whole... which made them better in return.
You know a movie is bad when you have to read a book to enjoy it
@@soggydog1212 prequels are my favorite in the series. Like I love the originals, but the action is just too stale, and feels more like im watching a western than a Sci-Fi. I love westerns though, don't get me wrong. The prequels are just more fun to watch, at least *in my opinion*. I wouldn't mind reading a book if it helps me understand more of the set universem
@@MrHuxley It's nice seeing someone who doesn't put the OT as n°1. For me the OT and the PT are one story, so they're equals to me. And while both trilogies (even the ST to some extent) have interesting characters and story, it's only the PT that has really interesting locations and made the Galaxy feel vast and otherworldly, and makes me want to know more about this universe than anything else. Plus the era is more interesting to me generally.
@@shallows529 yeah, we got so many more interesting locations, people, stories and stuff from the Prequels. Obviously we wouldn't have any of that without the OT, which is amazing even to this day. It is definitely the most alluring era of the series, but the OT is what got us here, with its stellar scenaries for the time, and of course the killer build-a-bears. Both Trilogies are equally amazing, for its own reasons
@@MrHuxley I agree, I can't imagine not having a planet like Coruscant in the films for example.
Correction, there was another sith lord watching over Plageius and the other 2. This mystery sith lord was unidentified but was whispering to himself "messa so smarty, theysa never seen messa bombad planning coming" who do you think this secret sith lord is???
Dissa nutsen
Our lord Darth Jar Jar
obama
C3PO?
Lmao!
Darth Plageius is hands down the best Star Wars novel I’ve ever read. I’d love to see it get adapted to live action.
it is fantastic, i would love to see it adapted as an animated series as well and done justice. plageuis and tenebrous are super fascinating characters imo
@@sinenomine7115 this tbh
Lost Stars is better.
@@sinenomine7115 so you have no taste.
They would ruin it like they have the franchise
Even as a kid seeing ROTS I had a feeling Sidious was the apprentice who killed Plageuis in his sleep but tried to pass the story up as "a Sith Legend" to Anakin as part of his sowing of deception and doubt in Anakin's mind. Well, I guess it was obvious when Palpy reflects on it with his famous "Ironic. He could save others from death, but not himself."
Indeed just the he says no meme related “ironic” feels very justified as he is the one was aware of his power limitations.
Yes, it was very much intended for everyone to understand that Palpatine was that apprentice.
I also thought this as a child
I was always under the impression that the “legend of Darth Plagueis the wise” was just a manipulative ploy, telling Anakin what he wanted to hear in order to get him to turn.
I never believed that Plegueis even existed, let alone that Palpatine was his apprentice. I just assumed he made the whole thing up.
It’s the way he kinda has a hidden smirk, perhaps it implies to the audience that he might have done those acts himself, but he is still telling a story. so as a kid, you probably saw his crooked smile while he said that & even as a kid, you were able to see that story being Palpatine’s story . It’s also the beginning of the end for anakin after that talk with Palpatine . So it’s also “ironic” that after he has such a reliable relationship with anakin, he lured him into the dark side with that which he craved which was a way to save his wife
Plagueis is busy finishing up that pizza they ordered and watching the latest podracing updates
Have you ever heard the tragedy of pizza the wise?
@@josephayers7395 no, I guess that's one the jedi don't talk about. But I have heard of Pizza the Hutt....
All jokes aside Plagueis played a critical part in the establishment of the podracing courses on Tatooind
I'm reading Darth Plagueis right now and oh my God, it is so good.
Definitely one of, if not the best Star Wars novel ever written. It provides such an incredible dive into the history and philosophy of the Sith, as well as Palpatine's training and rise.
The whole manner in which Luceno brings Nietzchienism and Machiavellianism to explain what they Sith stand for.
And then on top of that, it blends political intrigue as Plagueis and Palpatinenplay their games to get the Sith into power.
And then on top of THAT, the book brings in so many references, nods, and cameos of other parts of Star Wars lore and stories, it's insane. It connects Old Republic, Prequels, Clone Wars, and Galactic Civil War lore in such an amazing way. It's the Prequel to the Prequels.
I must get it now
I kinda want it too now that I've read your comment.
Yeah, I've read it. It reminds me of watching deleted scenes on a DVD. I get to see (or read in this case) more of what was going on during The Phantom Menace.
You should read the Thrawn trilogy if you ever get a chance…I enjoyed it just as much as this one.
@@MrJosh5191 I highly recommend the Plagueis novel. It is a masterpiece.
I remember the first time I saw ROTJ. My father asked my how I liked it. I told I don’t understand why everyone loves Vader. The emperor is the man and I really wish we knew more about him.
Plagueis to me as well is the best SW book.
I was the same way lol
Cuz vader looks cool, does cook thing and we know alot about him
Also he is cool
@@potatopotato1382 Vader was an ungrateful traitor. The emperor gave him a beautiful new suit to grow into. Even after Vader carelessly let the Death Star be destroyed the emperor gave him the Executor. His poor leadership skills and his tunnel vision made him make poor tactical decisions by promoting the wrong people and as a result the executor was lost by crashing into the second Death Star.
If the emperor was the evil man he is made out to be he would’ve just kicked Vader into the lava river on Mustafar.
The emperor showered Vader with ships, and castles and wisdom for positive reinforcement and he was stabbed(grabbed) in the back by that ingrate. For shame!
@@drp1bb856 Well the suit the emperor gave Vader was a punishment for losing to obi-wan. The suit barely functioned, and was painful to walk around in. (Vader kept the suit when offered an upgrade because the pain fueled his dark side powers). The suit prevented vader from using force lightning, because any tiny amount of force lightning would cause to suit to fail (which is why vader died when he was shocked) Emperor is a cool character, but that's because he's a jerk imo
@@potatopotato1382 Cook thing? You mean got cooked?
Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis The Wise? I thought not. It’s not a story the Jedi would tell you. It’s a Sith legend. Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Sith, so powerful and so wise he could use the Force to influence the midichlorians to create life… He had such a knowledge of the dark side that he could even keep the ones he cared about from dying. The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural. He became so powerful… the only thing he was afraid of was losing his power, which eventually, of course, he did. Unfortunately, he taught his apprentice everything he knew, then his apprentice killed him in his sleep. Ironic. He could save others from death, but not himself
Is it possible to learn this power?
@@lethargictroll6788"NOT from a RUclips comment"
@@all4zion 😂😂😂
I honestly had no idea Plagueis was alive in the prequel era, I always assumed he'd been killed when Palpatine was a younger man
this is what i thought too for so long, learning that he was alive during the phantom menace felt like mental whiplash
Isent that according to the rule of two there can only be two sith living in any given time, so why is there third one, when I thought Plageus should have been killed off, before Darth Sidious could take Darth Maul as his new apprentice.
@@fr0gm0th25
Yes I heard in one Star Wars legends video, that Darth Plageus was killed in his sleep straight after Darth Sidious became the new senator and that happened in middle of Phantom Menace with Palpatine becomming the new senator itself.
@@jout738 Palpatine had no care for the rule, that's why he violated it so much. In fact he didn't care for the ancient sith at all, and neither did they care for him. Can't remember the comic but there's one where Palpatine visits the ancient sith planet and is scared off by angry sith ghosts.
@@jout738That's what I always thought, though I had heard a long time ago that Maul was supposedly a "Sith Assassin". Thereby skirting the Rule of Two. (Though Palpatine clearly calls Maul his apprentice here. 😕)
I had thought that Palpatine had killed his master long before TPM, but this novel mentions that Plageous met (or at least saw) Anakin right after he came to the Capitol...didn't he?
I guess that one of these days I'm just going to have read this book myself.
Back in 1999 I thought the sith lord shown here (palpatine) is not the emperor from episode 6 but his master, because he was voiced by a completly different voice actor in the german dub. I also thought that sith-masters just all look like that, old guy with a black robe.
You ought to read James Lucenos book. I think you will get alot out of it.
I figured the Sidius shown here was one of Palpatine’s clones, and the real Palpatine is in hiding somewhere. He did clone himself, so he could basically be immortal.
@@MasterAnakinSkyWalker in the old Kanon what is now Legend. There was the story that palpatine cloned himself but the original died in ep.6 and somehow he tranfered his soul in one of the clones with the force
@@TheDimistron The clones, of course coming through both Kaminoan tech AND the fact that Palpatine had nothing but free time at this point.
Ew why would you watch the movie in another language and not see the original actors performances
In Maul: Lockdown, Maul is sent to find an arms dealer in a prison to buy a nuclear weapon to hand over to the Bando Gora gang. This gang uses said weapon to attack Plaguis' moon of Sojourn in the Plaguis novel. Maul: Shadowhunter also took place in Plaguis, but the events of that book were summed up within a relatively short portion of Plaguis
Yes, Plagueis does that with a lot of EU tie-in stories, it's pretty great.
is that the same Bando Gora from the Jango Fett game Bounty Hunter? wow
Maul also defeated a Yuuzhan Vong warrior in the same book
@@EcksClips I love how it wove together so many prequel era stories and idea it was beautiful
Few know this 🫡🤝
I just remember Palpatine's first evil act in the novel was slaughtering his family. Pretty brutal
To be fair, the insecure and overbearing father, the spineless and vacillating mother, siblings barely worth more than a mention. That's not a family that would be terribly missed.
@@JackSilver1410 I'm sure there were plenty of alternatives before slaughtering them all. I think Palp junior was a little fucked up in the head.
@@JackSilver1410 speaking from experience?
@@Insomniacvfx Only some minor changes.
Good Lord, rationalize psychopathic behavior much? Palpable devaluation and dehumanization are serious red flags. Of course, then there is sarcasm.
I love how the story for Darth Plagueis The Wise is reflected at the end of Return of the Jedi (although the roles are switched), the apprentice kills the master and while he (Vader) could save others, he couldn't save himself. It's like poetry, it rhymes
Which is why I think the story works so well. The whole point of Anakin turning to the dark side was to save padme from death. He failed saving his mother and then he failed saving padme. So when he saw his son crying out for help to save him he realized he could save someone who was part of his family. He probably also remembered the time where he told padme that her being pregnant was the greatest thing to happen to him.
@@johnblack8872 not to mention that Padme wanted to do good for many worlds, just like Luke did, which definitely would've reminded him of her
@@kianrodriguez4455 The Empire was already doing good for many worlds.
@@Ravenbones fascist empire good, rebels bad 🤡
lucas has a brilliant knack for writing inverse ironies like these. i can't wait for lucas to reclaim star wars and redo the sequel trilogy correctly.
I loved Darth Plageuis, it was a fantastic novel which worked so well w the prequels and rest of the EU. Would’ve been so awesome to see a glimpse of Plageuis on Coruscant in TPM since iirc, he was alive until maul died
yes sidious kills plagueis just after he is elected chancellor
@@doctorreed_ yea that’s right thanks for the reminder! I really wish we could’ve gotten a glimpse of a hooded Plageuis on Coruscant in TPM. I think Sidious ended him at around the time maul died on Naboo
@@doctorreed_ he kills plagueis before he is elected not after... whilst practicing his acceptance speech for becoming the new chancellor he gets plagueis drunk then kills him
@@aamirrazak3467 Maul Survived Naboo
But maul died way after ROTS lol
I guess it should really be called “the suggestion of two”
fr
More like guide lines
Like Parle? 😂😂
@@nivedkoladimootheri278parleley, parlelellyleloooo, par le nee, partner, par... snip, parsley?
There are 3 here because, while he was sidious' apprentice, maul was "technically" a sith assassin and not a sith lord. So it's *technically* not against the code, even if it betrays the spirit of it. But betrayal is par for the course with sith so meh
Darth Plageuis was an amazing book!!
I’m reading it now
The reason Luke didn’t go to the dark side was because he didn’t hear this banger of a story.
I will always love this book because of how much depth it added to Palpatine and how much it humanized him.
The best novel by far. I’ve listened to it no less than 10x now
My favourite also
The Phantom Menace really suffers from not the audience not understanding what's going on prior to the start of the film. It opens and you get hit in the face with 'trade taxation' and seemingly boring stuff. Conversely, political intrigue and threat is interesting and really the stuff going on in the background with Palpatine and Plageus scheming would have helped Valorum's later fall from power and the first stages of the Sith's plans coming to fruition more significant.
Thats because the book wasn’t even published until 2012 over a decade after the movie.. aka it was stuff added in years later
@@Puppet33 The lore that gave better context to the proceeding film was certainly developed later. But I wonder what if there'd been a better introduction to TPM, even if that might have prevented Plageus from ever being a thing.
Ying and yang, but TPM might've been a better film as a result.
What luck it didn't sour the well...
This novel would make a tremendous series on the streaming platform.
One of the things I personally loved about this book is that as great as it is on its own merits, it also serves to organize the events around Episode I into a way that enhances the overall story of the prequels, in my opinion. I would love to see this novel made canon.
Plagueis: “Did you just say “apprentice”, Sidious?
Sidious: “Uh… no.”
If Episode IX had balls it would’ve brought back Plagueis
I still believe that’s where they were going with the sequels, the changed their mind because fans were guessing that Snoke was Plageious. I think that would have been amazing… he had survived Palpatines attack which left him scarred, and had been watching and pulling strings in the shadows for decades. Would have been far better than what we got.
What a great book! Hopefully it is adapted into canon at some point.
It is Canon. It is Disney that is legends, and a poor legend at that (in my opinion)
the way I see it, you can choose whatever you want to be canon, basically "your personal canon." For example, I have found a work around to allow 2003 clone wars to fit in with 2008 clone wars.
@@MrTomatoOfficial not everyone views it that way though.
@@SJHFoto the sequels are legends?
@@SJHFoto Cope
Really hope that the Acolyte includes Darth Plagueis and that Star Wars contines to make content all the way up to his death
Me too! Might make a short about it
@@EckhartsLadder “do it”
The Acolyte takes place 200 years before Phantom Menace. Darth Plagueis probably hadn't even been born yet.
Pray
@@TheAutisticBrony pretty sure that they said 100, but we’ll have to wait and see
Every single Sith master, breaks the rule of 2. It's impossible not to.
seeing how frequently sith kill each other, there have been a lot off moments in time when there where or 3 or 1 sith.
Also, there is another Sith, on Tatooine, who sent the trace? a person working in the shadows, Darth Jar Jar
SHUT UP 😡.
*Lord Binks
@@pikazzor4186 NOOOOOOOOOO 😡!
Over a 48 hour period there are four Sith Lords: Plagueis, Sidious, Maul and Tyranus.
Those are just the ones we know of..
Who's to say that there isn't rogue Sith Lords operating the Dark Side out beyond the Outer Rim? 🤷
The plagueis novel is the best starwars book hands down. I’ve been waiting for it to be canon for so long. There’s nothing in the book that would contradict canon in its current state I don’t think.
Always two there are no more no less.
@@MrScigeek101 unless you’re talking about Plagueis, Venamis, Maul, and Sidious all being sith at the same time 😂
@@thesawtoothdude Heretical apocrypha.
I just want dash to be cannon again so his ship can stop being in limbo of cannon but not.
i'm pretty sure it's like an unspoken rule that if an extended universe story doesn't outright contradict the new canon then it is considered canon
That was a great book. And the audiobook is superbly narrated as well.
Where can I get the audiobook, I'd love to give it a try
Thanks, I'll check it out
“Always 2 there are. No more, no less” - Yoda. Thanks for the insight Yoda.
Plagueis
Palpatine
Dooku
Vosa
Maul
Ventress
Grievous... kinda
Jar Jar... probably
Am I missing anyone
thanks lil bud
@@lolstalgic9602 they weren't all at once
@@hharrybboy True
U are correct. Palpatine master was alive during episode first. Sidious plan was to kill him in 2 vs 1 with Maul later on but after Naboo thing when Kenobi cutted Maul legs Palpatine had to do something.
So Sidious killed his master when a guy was sleeping like a coward.
Palpatine knew he wouldnt win in 1 vs 1 that's why he needed Maul or some trick
Well also to be fair and I think that's why he sets up Vader's suit like that, he also arced the lightning at Plageuis respirator iirc so made that malfunction weakening him more.
None of the sith that we've seen starting from Tenebrous to Vader have followed the Rule of Two by ripping the mantle of Dark Lord from their Master. Each used cunning and guile instead of combat prowess
I hope Disney brings this story back to cannon with the TV show "The Acolyte"
I wish this too, but the Acolyte will be set over 100 years before TPM. And the series will be inspired from the new Disney High Republic comics and novels, which they consider cannon now
Hi from 2yrs, do you still think they will bring back the story from Acolyte?
swear to god Darth Maul looked like the devil in that hologram scene
Fantastic book! Amazing to fleshout plagus and Shev.
Oh wow, I never knew. Wasn't Palpatine also "grooming" Dooku at the time of TPM as a contingency in case Maul didn't work out?
Palpatine just used dooku
Yep and he truly had his eyes set on young Anakin. Sidious was known for using multiple darksiders and discarding the weaker ones in favor of the more powerful ones. In the end, however, Sidious really didn’t care about the Rule of Two. He never intended to ever be succeeded. He was only out for himself and that was what brought both his downfall and the downfall of the Bane line of Sith Lords. 🤔
Both Sidious and Plagueis were grooming Dooku in one way or another throughout Sidious’s entire time as senator, but it was mainly in hopes he would leave the order and cause some sort of conflict. Maul’s defeat was a nice coincidence which allowed Sidious to recruit Dooku as a temporary apprentice.
@@mr.joshua204 they went on a holiday to Tenerife together
@@tiffanybatcheller-harris522 yep, sidious used the "sith assassin" and "inquisitor" titles for the ones who weren't his *direct* apprentices as a way to skirt around the rules.
Hence why you have mara jade as his personal assassin running around at the same time vader.
Yikes. Then that means, when Palpatine was telling Anakin about Plagueis, he was admitting to a murder he committed relatively recently… 😬
Edit: The key word is ‘relatively’. I know it’d probably been years by that point.
Not exactly recently though. Palpatine murdered his master on the eve of his ascension as Supreme Chancellor in 32 BBY. Tells Anakin the story at the end of the Clone Wars, after the death of Dooku in 19 BBY. So I would say around 13 years are there between the 2 events.
13 years prior.
@@nivedkoladimootheri278 pretty eerie still lol
Anakin wasn’t even a padwan at this time
Anakin wasn’t even a padwan at this time
Darth Plaguis is what you read before watching all the movies again
I always make sure to tell my friends that I see them as the infamous Sith Lord, Darth Syphilis.
Plagueis watching Palpatine train Maul when he knows how The Rule of Two works:
“This is fine.”
Wait so basically:
Palpatine & Maul: *Discussing their scheme*
Plaegus: “wtf? Who tf is that?”
He knew. Maul was, by technicality, a "sith assassin" and not a "sith lord", and the rule of two only counts sith lords.
It's one of those things that - because the sith love betrayal and hate rules - they tend to get... um... "creative" with the rule of two's limitations.
Imagine the ghost of Yoda looking back at this and thinking “clueless we were, only two we thought…but freaking 3!”
I guess you could say the book is the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the wise
The full unabridged version
Wow I can’t believe he was sithing right there
When they say rule of two I think its actually more of a rule of 2 known sith bc any sith apprentice at some point will want to replace his master and the master will always want to keep power till death it's the nature of the sith so the apprentice will almost always need a secret partner in order to kill the master bc a true sith master will never teach his apprentice all his knowledge or the apprentice will hav no reason not to kill the master like with Darth Plagueis and Palpatine
There can be many assassins working for the sith (inquisitors for example) but they’re not actual sith, just dark side users who may one day join the sith if one of them dies
thanks God it was Plagueis and not Jar-Jar
Darth plagueis easy one of my fav sith lords. Even though he has very little cannon involvement. There's rumors he even went to meet anakin at padmaes palace but stopped because qui gon was there and qui gon followed the will of the force unlike other jedi. Palpatine feared qui gon for that reason alone
Because the force does not want detachment, it wants ritousness which qui gon imbodies and the sith abandon.
"Two there always are. No more, no less. "
Well unless Star Wars ignores its own rules again.
I would like to know how Palpatine rises to such a position of influence in the Republic/Senate - did he enter the political sphere from a young age? Is this explored in any of the books?
Yes its explained in the 'Plageius' book, but it's no longer Official Canon
@@CueDaNinja
Wait, so it was once canon but now isn't? How did that happen? Who decides what is and isn't canon?
@@greatdelusion7654 Well everything that was outside the Films were considered 'Expanded Universe' when Lucas still owned the IP...after Disney brought it from him, the only things that remained Official Canon from his Era are the Original Films and The Clone Wars CGI (not the animated CN shorts) show. Everything else became 'Legends', and new Banner under Disney that's not Canon. But every else released under Disney ownership of Star Wars (Books, Films, TV shows, Video Games, etc) for the most are considered 'Canon'. Hope that helps.
@@greatdelusion7654 short version is that after disney bought it they nuked everything that wasn't the 6th films and the clone wars cgi show so they could start fresh and not be bound by 40 years of canon.
It was very controversial at the time and still is.
That was a crew member on lunch break
As someone who read Darth Plagueis, I already knew what this was about 😎
I didn't see nobody there. Besides that would be breaking the sith rule of 2.
I’ve got the book and I have to say it was so good I recommend it to all and it shows a new light on the prequels, only thing I don’t like is WHY IS IT LEGENDS, it fits in perfectly with canon but apart from that it’s top tier Star Wars lore
Very funny, then, for Palpatine to tell Plagueis's story to Anakin as if it's a tale that the Jedi would've heard about, as if it didn't happen a decade or two ago lol
Can’t forget our Sith Lord Jar Jar. He’s the key to all of this.
Still? He is the key because he is part of it, yes. He is no Sith Lord, seriously? He is the only reason, why things went the way they were because he is the kind of character that does things without knowing that they may lead to the Dark Side or not.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@MarkEmperor The final concept of Jar Jar Binks when filming The Phantom Menace was that he was Sidious's sith master named Darth Plagueis (because his foolish antics are like a plague), but that idea was later scraped because of fan reaction to Jar Jar Binks. Jar Jar as a Sith Master was replaced by the Muun called Darth Plagueis and Count Dooku in the films before the release of Attack of the Clones.
Ep 1 Coruscant was bangin
I genuinely thought your were going to say Darth jar jar
I know I’m in the minority here, but the fact that Plageius was “just off screen” was one of the things that kinda ruined the book for me. Takes away from Palpatine’s role if his master is still alive this late into the game. Especially when we learn he’d been Plageius’s apprentice since his early 20s. Never felt like the book gave a good enough reason for Palpy keeping Plageius around that long. Having Plaguey know about BOTH Maul and Dooku didn’t help, either. Whole Rule of Two thing was really more of a suggestion than a rule for the Sith, I guess.
If I recall correctly, Palpatine never found a chance or opening to kill Plagueis until the moment he did it. He was also unsure on weather or not he actually killed Plagueis. Or if he could even be killed.
Maul was more of a Sith assassin, not a full on apprentice, and Dooku was still being groomed towards the dark side in other material by the time of TPM, having turned after Qui Gons death
@@ouroboros5793 In "The Phantom Menace," Palpatine says to Darth Maul, "You have been well-trained, my young apprentice," so I'm not sure about that. If he wasn't fully trained in the Sith ways, he wouldn't have lasted nearly as long as he did against Qui Gon and Obi-Wan.
@@Leondrius Well, of course Palpy wouldn’t have just told to Maul “you’re just a blunt instrument, I don’t give a shit about you”. It’s like he had straight out told Dooku he was just being used to serve as the victim of Anakin’s first murder.
@@rickblaine9670 Still, that doesn't detract from my point.
There’s goes the rule of two lol
That was the one thing I absolutely HATED about Plagueis the book. He should've been dead years before Phantom Menace. Just subtracts from Palpatine.
And just to prevent hate aimed my way, I absolutely loved that novel and 99% of it I would love to be canon again.
I’m pretty sure in New Canon Plagueis died well before the Phantom Menace even took place. Which I personally like and it adds even further credence to Maul being an actual Apprentice, which I personally still believed he was in Legends though others would try and dispute it
@Spider-Flash yeah he and tenebrous didn’t support the rule of two
@Spider-Flash Yeah it was starting to somewhat face out and be bended to the max. Maul being taken in was kinda the shattering of the rule, even though Sidious claimed to Plagueis he would only be a Sith Assassin, in actuality he basically was already Sidious’s actual apprentice.
The book also implies that Palpatine was manipulating Plagueis for much of their later time together, especially after the almost successful assassination attempt against the latter. If anything, that makes Palpatine even more of a genius because he not only outwitted the galaxy, the Republic, and the Jedi Order, but his own Sith Master "The Wise" as well
YWNBAW
We all know it was jar jar off screen
That’s honestly really interesting since I always figured Plagueis didn’t know about Maul at all. I thought Palpatine kept him a well hidden secret from his master, not wanting to do overtly fly in the face of the rule of two
Been a while since I read Plagueis but I believe he felt as though he and Sidious would be the ones to break the rule of two, they were the Endgame per say of the rule and would complete the Sith wish of dominating the galaxy together so he wouldn't be overtly furious with Sidious using Maul
@@Cian._. right on 🤙
I read the Plagueis book right after so it has been a while but I want to say that he knew and approved of it. If I remember correctly he had a different mindset and it felt like once they had the chosen one he was going to abolish the rule of two.
They played real fast and loose with the "rule of 2" in the prequel era, huh?
I know it’s dumb, but it feels weird that Sith Lords rent urban apartments. I feel like it would be more appropriate for them to float leg-crossed in a tank or something. Imagine evicting a Sith Lord .
They gotta blend in with society when they're not in power I guess.
When Sith Lords are under the guise as politicians it’s pretty much expected
This however is legends and not canon. Whatever you think about legends or canon, I personally like the idea the Darth Plagueis is dead by the time of Phantom menace so that way it feels like the prequels were all orchestrated by palpatine solely
Darth Plagueis is hands down the best book and the audiobook is amazing. His character is smart, sarcastic, sophisticated, charismatic with zero tolerance. I was pretty upset how Plagueis let his guard down with Palpatine after this scene because 114D translated Maul calling Palpatine “Master” which went against their plan. I don’t know WHY Plagueis let his guard down that night after the opera, he should’ve been on high alert and had his security stay that night after hearing that, but Palpatine was charismatic himself. This novel also made me genuinely feel sorry Maul, he was used as a Pawn, Plagueis actually praised him for his works while Palpatine chastised him for being sloppy and prideful, only if Maul knew of Plagueis
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Thanks for the great vids!
That book seemed to have a lot of Illuminati type stuff in it. 📕
This is Legends not canon btw... but Legends was canon when the movie was made, so I think the video is still accurate, in a way. He 'dies' like 20+ years b4 the movies, and before Palpatine even met Maul.
So does this mean that Maul was never really a Sith, only an assassin, because he was chopped up and presumed dead before Plaguis died?
Plagueis died shortly after the scene in The Phantom Menace where Palpatine became senator. Maul was technically the 2nd sith in the rule of two until he "died" and the plan was for him to be a full-fledged apprentice (though Palpatine really wanted to find the chosen one and replace Maul eventually)
It has to be Darth Darth Binks
Yeah it's a bit weird learning Plagueis was alive during Phantom Menace. The way Palps talks about him during Episode 3 you'd think the guy had been dead for 20 years at the bare minimum.
Well...isn't EP 3 literally 20 or so years later.
@@johnblack8872 14 (10 years from tpm to atc, 4 years from atc to rots) so close enough my friend🙂
Rule of two: exists
In New Canon Plagueis died well before the Phantom Menace even took place. Which I personally like and it adds even further credence to Maul being an actual Apprentice, which I personally still believed he was in Legends though others would try and dispute it.
I also feel it adds more to Palpatine’s character as well. He pulled it off arguably all by himself!
The real canon is Jar Jar is the Phantom Menace Sith...... the switch from 'go lucky' 'menace' to a 'darker voice and serious attitude' would of shook the universe..
I mean In legends he technically was a "sith apprentice" but only as placeholder. It was always going to be temporary. Plaguies and sidious viewed him merely as an assassin. The novel goes in depth about this.
@@dukespear8469 from the novel, I get the impression that Plagues viewed him as just an assassin but Sidous secretly considered him an apprentice
Will you stop talking about canon and non canon things ..... You are losing your time with this.
I don't actually like that Maul was ever considered as an apprentice, I like to think that he was meant to be the Grand Inquisitor, hence the double bladed sabers, and how neither are exceptionally gifted in the force, but are aggressive in combat. Neither could hope to stand up to Vader, or to Palpatine, and it makes me believe that Palpatine was always arrogant, and thought that he would always be the ruler of the galaxy, which helps cement his defeat in Episode 6.
When Maul finally landed at the bottom of that shaft on Naboo, he was beside himself
I always wondered when plagueis died. I thought it was years before the events of phantom menace. This should be more common knowledge.
@spicyNacho how can Plagueis have allowed Palpatine to have an apprentice under his nose if there are only supposed to be two Sith at a time?
@@anthonymartensen3164 the rule of two sith started by sidious
@@JoeMama-ho2ll then why does Yoda say "always two there are"
Except in New Canon this has been changed. Plagueis dies well before The Phantom Menace in New Canon. An Maul is even further solidified as a Sith
@@JoeMama-ho2ll cap. Darth Bane started the rule of two to ensure that there would only be one master, and one apprentice. A system to where the two would rule together, and when the apprentice became more powerful, they would have to overthrow their master to prove themselves as the more powerful sith
Darth Plagueis aka Darth Jar Jar
I’m confused, why is Plagueis letting Palpatine train an apprentice? I haven’t read the book but I know the Sith have the Rule of Two, so shouldn’t Palpatine training Maul have been a clear sign to Plageuis that he was about to be betrayed? I had always assumed Palpatine killed Plageuis years before the movies and then trained Maul.
My guess is by this point the rule of two was being abandoned and plagues probably thought he could take sidius. Palpatine may have just been a pawn to buy time for plagueis to gain immortality and then kill him off, so one more sith was just more time gained.
the whole point of the rule of two is to let them try anyways.
if they are stronger, then you didn't deserve to call yourself a darth in the first place.
The sith never cared about rules to begin with the whole point of being a sith is to be deceitful, and care about own self to gain power and over rule everyone else
And the sith always betray each other
The RUle of Two doesnt mean ONLY TWO SITH exist.
It is like the rule of rats. If you see one, there are 20 more around.
Unlike a Jedi, if you see a Jedi he could just be by himself.
Maul wasn't trained to be an apprentice, rather an assasin, an agent to use for their cause. Similar to Ventress in their purpose.
Dang! I was hoping it would be Jar Jar Binks, the secret Sith lord.
but that breaks the rule of 2. should plageuis not be dead by now?
Palpatine doesn’t see Maul as a true apprentice
Plus it was common practice for the Apprentice to seek out their own apprentice before attempting to kill their master. This happened all the way in the beginning with Darth Bane's apprentice (legends)
That’s rather convenient. Seems to me like the rule of two has a lot of loopholes.
Sith rules were made to be broken.
maul was an assassin
I highly recommend the audiobook version
TPM can definitely be redeemed with a show that goes into the relationship between Sidious and Plageius. The last episodes could even tie in directly with TPM itself just like the final clone wars episodes go directly into ROTS.
Father-like connection in TPM. Clone wars: “You have been replaced!”
This sort of conflicts with “The Rule of Two”. Why didn’t Plagueis do anything about it? Why was Maul called “Darth Maul” if Palpatine hadn’t killed his master yet? There definitely needs to be a series or movie about this.
The rule of 2 only applied to the sith under bane..
The sith never really took that rule seriously, again they are supposed to be the sith who never care about rules to begin with
It was actually Plagueis idea to train him but not as a Sith but a Sith assasin.
@@david9243 obviously sith are allowed by the rule of two to have as many darksiders working for them as they want but they can’t be part of the sith order, but maul was still for some reason called “Darth” at that point but he shouldn’t have been, he should have just been maul
@@david9243 yep. Plagueis specifically told Sidious he was not to be trained as a Sith but marveled at this combat skills and aggression. His seeing that Sidious had betrayed him so late was one of his only blind spots. Even then, however, it is expected of Sith apprentices to crave the power and seek to seize it eventually so he may not have been troubled by it at all. In fact, it was probable a source of confirmation he had chosen a worthy apprentice.
Plagueis: "Ah, it's so nice watching my apprentice continue the rule of 2 with his own apprentice. I somehow feel like I'm forgetting something crucial though... Oh well, time to go to bed, I'll just ponder that thought more tomorrow"
So here is a question since I've never read that book, so Plagueis knew about Darth Maul? Isn't that a violation of the Rule of Two? 1 master 1 apprentice, but Palpatine was both Master and Apprentice at the same time. It's a bit odd that Plagueis didn't put a stop and either put Palpatine in his place or get rid of him all together as a rival.
Maul was never really trained in the actual dark side and was used by both as an assassin, seen as a useful tool rather than an apprentice.
I always thought Maul was intended to be nothing more than a pawn and Palpatine wasn't really training him to be an actual sith. He was more an assassin that anything else but palp treated him like a sith to keep up the facade until he was done with him.
I doubt Plagueis gave a sith about it.
Did you really read the book? Because that's explained in the book.
Dooku had an apprentice, despite being an apprentice himself
I like how this image, which is often used as a visual aid for the Rule of Two, actually has 3 Sith
This completely goes against the "Rule of 2" that Darth Bane implemented. I'm glad it isn't canon. Otherwise it just conflicts with the belief system of the Sith.
Plaguis intentionally went against the Rule of Two, making his own line of sith
I'd say they should make the Plagus novel into a show on disney+, but they'd make Plagus into an angry black lesbian.
I can't argue that it's probably one of the best Star Wars novels I've read, but I was a little disappointed at how close in time the events were to the Phantom Menace. In ROTS, Palpatine tells Anakin that Plaguis could influence the midichlorians in his own blood and even use the force to keep those he loved from dying. My personal interpretation of that was that he could prolong lives indefinitely effectively making himself and anyone he chose immortal. The implication (at least to me) was that Palpatine, obviously the apprentice, was centuries old and this further explains why he became so disfigured from his fight with Windu. The sheer exertion of trying to hold off Windu's attack took so much out of him that all those extra years finally caught up with him, making him look extremely decrepit.
I always took it as Palpatine was lying. Anakin told him about his nightmares, he used the info to manipulate him with lies.
Interesting. I never thought about that ever.
Always felt that maybe Plaguis could do that. Maybe. But most likely Palpatine was just lying cuz he knew Anikan wanted that power.
Yennow. Back before Disney made it so you could resurrect people from death…. Ugh
@@ryanjosephdp What do you mean sequels? Never heard of 'em.
Or it was just the lightning that hit him in the face. Like. That’s all it needs to be. Also, in the context of the movies alone, your theory doesn’t really makes sense. Palpatine was from an established family on Naboo. He’d been the senator from there before he was the chancellor. They’d have had a hint if he at least wasn’t who he claimed to be, his family wasn’t established, birthday didn’t match.
I get this is your personal view, but there’s no implication in the movies themselves that the statement was meant to be taken the way you did and multiple things that imply it wasn’t meant the way you took it.
Well yes, but actually no.
I got the vibe that the sith master just jumped into the padawan, therefore conquered death. Hence there was always just two and the emperor wanted an apprentice strong in the force as a youth. He was quite keen on Luke striking him down from a young body strong in the force after his initial Anakin body was destroyed. Same with the sequels and the need for a decent body to inhabit with the sith force ghost. Leaping body to body as a short term goal rather than join the force and be omnipresent
Its literally jar jar
So there were 3 sith on corosant but the entire Jedi order couldn’t sence them
Coruscant had billions of people, and a huge underworld of people who would give off "dark side vibes" not to mention knowing how to sheild themselves from other force sensitives. it's relatively easy thing to do when there is so much "noise" all around you
The Plaugeis novel is still the best Star Wars novel to this day. It’s so good.
Did you just call the coolest medical droid; One-One-Four-Dee himself: “11D”????
Yeah, mistakes happen a lot in these 60 second videos lol
@@EcksClips then fix them you noob
Congrats, Palpatine. You broke the Rule of Two
So did Tenebrous,to be honest i think most Sith Lords did.They always had a side apprentice/assassin incase who they currently had didnt work out.
Always hated how the author disregarded the rule of two. Maul is clearly meant to be a Sith Lord here.
In the Book of Sith there is an short text from Bane explaining that there is nothing wrong getting force sensitives under your command. You just must never train them as full apprentices intented to be successors. Train them as tools - hunters, killers, infiltrators - and never hesitate to kill them when one dares to become too powerful.
There’s no one!