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Jiujitsu is like any other sport there's always going to be risks. However you can mitigate 99% of them by tapping early and avoiding rolling with spazzy people.
I've been grappling for 13 years and every injury I've gotten has been from moves that are legal at white belt. A lot of people crank submissions very fast, to the point that damage is being done before you can even tap. However, people are more careful with leg locks, and it's usually higher belts using them, but even in CACC, no one ever hurt my knee.
Thank you for this video. This was a really hard one watch, but a very, very necessary one. Hopefully we can all learn from others' past mistakes and prevent them from happening in the future. Train hard, but train smart. Stay safe out there guys
The biggest problem with kani basami injuries is that the people doing the technique are *obviously* at the *wrong angle* to get the takedown. They are blatantly choosing to ignore your safety to try to get a takedown.
Even if they are at the right angle the other guy isn't just going to concede a takedown, they are going to try to escape and this is when peoples ankles start breaking
This is my fear with BJJ (and really any martial art). I just started BJJ earlier this year and it's really fun and exciting, but I don't think I would ever compete because I'm too scared of serious injury. I understand that even training in my academy has its risks, but I trust my folk. Nevertheless, great video! Really shed some light on things to look out for 😅
Self preservation is absolutely key in BJJ practice. Injuries happen in any sport (maybe not chess). I injured myself worse playing basketball, running, jumping on trampolines, walking down stairs than doing 4 years of BJJ Training. It's a tough sport but I love that BJJ is so safe while using a lot of strength and technique. You are responsible for the other person's safety while immobilizing / submitting them in a controlled manner without injury. Generally - Don't watch compilations of injuries too often. - The head coach is responsible for providing a clean (desinfected), safe (properly cushioned) and secure (partners that have enough skill, and stable character to keep you safe), - Beware of heavy guys or spazzy guys during rolling, these are the dangerous ones. I witnessed an injury when a guy did competition intensity during warmup games. Result was partially torn ACL of his partner and him leaving the room to vomit from exhaustion. Here the head coach should have rolled with that person first to understand if this person can be harmful to his students. - Learn how to break fall - sideways, judo roll etc. with proper breathing, weight distribution, protecting your neck by tucking in your chin. - Train your neck - Make sure you warm up properly - Ensure mats are clean to prevent skin infections - In longer no-gi sessions (>30mins), wear leggins and long-sleeve rashguards to protect your hair follicles - it's easy to get some nasty pimples after friction. During rolling - Beware of your surroundings (people than can fall or roll onto you - I hurt my posted elbow like this.) - control your opponent's angles and fall in a controlled way (the infamous guard pull can be useful here). - Do not rely on the flexibility of your joints too much, but maintain posture and tension when holding off someones weight playing guard. Usually, when your joints are not neutral (e.g. your wrist in straight ankle lock or kimura), the technique is not effective and you strain your ligaments. - Don't spazz, and just assume your fingers a ride plus any body part. - When you are exhausted, take a break. Lack of coordination and resistance strength will be dangerous for you and your partner. - Be aware of where you are not knowledgeable of the bimechanics and where sudden movement or great force can be harmful. (e.g. spinning around while your leg is in straight leglock, someone stacking their weight on your neck) During competitions -> I have no experience here. So I can just apply reasoning here. - I have read that injuries are 10x more likely in competitions. But if you train 100h for 1h of of competition, you are still 10x more likely to injure yourself during training. - Adrenaline, overestimating your abilities and the lack of control by the coach (to pick an opponent that's not dangerous) I would assume are key contributing factors.
Thank you very much for your thorough and detailed thoughts and sharing your experience! I really appreciate you taking the time to respond to my post. I agree with everything you said, and will take note on things I should be doing more often (training my neck, controlling angles, and taking breaks when exhausted). Thank you again!@@JAt0m
@@armedjoy3045the problem is how do we distinguish you centre from the one Rokas went to. For kids training some advice is training for national or international level in any sport Football Gymnastics were cited is far more dangerous than either TMA or combat sports. Problem with Bjj is it shuns regulation. There are centres in Bangalore but I think deciding to train is one of those decisions adults can make only for their own body. Unlike karate or kalaripayattu
When some people say Jiu-jitsu isn’t dangerous, watch this. I agree white belts are dangerous to a point because they don’t know what they don’t know thus going for mad wonky moves.
Looking back, I'm glad my father signed me up for boxing. He used to teach Jiu Jitsu in Russian Army in the 70s and 80s, and he taught me a few simple moves when I was a kid which I enjoyed learning.
This is so so important. Suffered three months out because of someone jumping guard on me. Blew my knee out, and prob won’t be the same ever again… judo and the sense to ban so many of these techniques, why hasn’t BJJ caught on?
personally, i think the whole thing about slams can be fairly easily solved just by making a couple rules around them. the rest is pretty much impossible to manage and it's better to just ban them to make the sport safe enough to be playable. which is a bit of a loss from a martial perspective, but losing good practitioners to injuries is probably a bigger loss. slams though, they come down to a few considerations: 1) slams are dangerous so you can't really let people do them 2) slams are incredibly effective, so their presence or emulation change the submission game entirely by forcing players to defend and prevent the pick up that would allow for a slam 2.5) slams are extremely intuitive, people with zero grappling experience will try to pick you up and slam you if you lock them into a triangle. so you create a huge gap between the sport and reality by ignoring them by banning them. 3) slams, especially the initial pick up, are volatile and defendable. so your rules have to reflect it and leave the opportunity to defend against them. i think the way to go is simply to ban the slam itself, but allow picking up your opponent. once you have lifted your opponent above a certain height, you are considered "slam ready", and that your opponent failed to defend the slam, you get a point or other form of scoring advantage, and you are separated and position is reset. that's pretty much how we go when sparing ground in my japanese jujitsu gym. when the guy start picking you up, you try to trip him, once he manage to lift you above his hips we basically agree he would have just won by slamming you if it was a real fight.
I agree, the slam problem is indicative of a bad rule set in sport jiu-jitsu around this issue. In judo, if you pick someone up from when you are both on the ground (which is when a lot of these slams occur) then the action is stopped and you reset. But if you are trying a flying guard pull or other such silliness then you are using an uncontrolled technique and deserve to get slammed.
Thank you for making this video. I've studied various martial arts throughout my life to a degree of proficiency though not an expert in any. My gym has a variety of styles so I still float between styles and practice some stuff on my own. I have been endlessly thinking about the last BJJ class I attended. i don't know, but I have. After watching this I think I'll try to be more careful when trying to do takedowns, throws ect. This video will make me rethink a lot of that.
Posting the hand doesn't make it safe,. That is the way to do it in judo, but people's hands slip very often when it is done under pressure... Even in the most infamous occurrence in judo of injury by kani basami (Yamahita vs Endo), which led to it finally being banned, the attacker tried to post his hand.
Jits guys don't practice it and can't do it properly so they end up sitting on the guys knee at about 45o making it extremely dangerous and difficult to even turn to avoid injury, understandable why they don't allow it. Lots of things are very dangerous done incorrectly.
4:39 Possibly psychotic opinion: if someone jumps toward you, you should be exempt from any slam DQ when you sprawl onto them to save your knees. It's perverse to do a high-momentum move that endangers both athletes and expect the opponent to brace your weight.
Yep, it should be legal to slam anyone who uses jumping techniques by sprawling. Why should you get your knees destroyed by someone who doesn't consider your safety? Jumping guard in particular is not an effective technique in the real world, because you'd just get slammed. However, because slams are banned, it encourages people to jump into guard and potentially cause some bad injuries. So, you basically have to either allow both moves, or ban both moves, because if you just ban slams only, then it encourages people to jump into guard.
A few days ago, I did a lateral knee bar without knowing what I was doing to a purple belt (I’m a white belt). He got upset, asked where I had learned to do that, and then the roll got very intense. In the end, he came to talk to me and said that a white belt shouldn't do that. I was so lost that I asked him what I had done, and he explained it to me. He said that if I had done the technique correctly, I could have seriously injured him.
After suffering an injury from a low kick 10 month ago looking at this video scratched some mostly healed psychological wound 😂. Anyway, glad i saw this video before i decided to get into bjj, it made me realise that i'm not psychologicaly and physicaly ready for the sport yet.
No joke, man, I think the turtle one happened to me the other day in class 😨 thank goodness for my sickening mobility obsession 🥺🤕🤸♂️ great video, man. Injury prevention should be a goal above almost all else
Unless you have the right partner you will sustain far more injuries in BJJ then any other martial sport. And the reason is because of what my Judo coach says, “there is a thousand ways to choke someone.” It’s why sports should limit and not be unlimited, because a handful of those ways are going to really hurt someone.
2 weeks into my Grade 1 ACL tear. 10 more weeks to go 🙂 My question is, did you harbor any animosity forr being put out of training for 3 months due to your partners negligence?
@@TylerSpanglerthat guys response made my blood boil. Idk what gym he trains at but he’d be permanently banned from mine for pulling that move and then having the audacity to act like that after injuring a training partner especially someone visiting
as a wrestler and now training in jiu jitsu, this pisses me off royally . wrestling is a lot more concussion prone due to throws, but these are less popular in jiu jitsu, and people prefer to just try to cut the legs and use gravity. this is the exact opposite of the nature of both sports . both focus incredibly well on proper positioning, form, and grips to avoid injury like this .
A lot of jujitsu guys should learn to let go I think, a lot of injuries could be avoided (at least for the one being attacked, wouldn't the jumper in the jumping guard case, for example)
I tore someone’s ligament off the bone with a tani otoshi (judoka in judo sparring). I love that move, but I’d rather eat a loss and get injured myself than ever injure someone in that way again. And the heel hook/leglock early practice argument is important. Learning to mark dangerous submissions early without finishing them teaches control, also kneebars are important counters to a lot of simple guard defenses so learning them early is really useful in improving your guard.
I got my arm messed up in wrestling from a spiral fracture, he had my arm behind my back, put his arm under it, and rolled over my back, basically doing an improvised kimuta
Did all of these other than jumping guard back in mid eighties judo never hurt anyone or got hurt from them, but that's just my % We were taught to be very careful on timing tani otoshi and kani basami to keep our weight off the near leg and drop behind their position
i am a little late here but i wanted to mention that the kani basami is banned even in karate (in the forms where your "opponent" knows what you are about to do). DON'T DO IT IN TRAINING, DON'T BE STUPID!
@@poldreborn4281 I don’t have a problem with twisters as long as the other person knows the submission and the person doing it knows not to go hard. Same thing with heel hooks…you just have to get to the position but then be gentle and not put it on tight. Other person also has to know the game is up and to tap. But doing either to a white belt that doesn’t know the submissions is extremely dangerous and negligent.
Broke my arm during mma through a kimura. Had an x-ray and the doctors more or less instantly said "yeap this is gonna need surgery".. and that's how I ended up with a metal plate in my arm.
Few months ago in the class they show us broomstick (Renzo Gracie's move). For me it is a dangerous move and I ended up injured my big toe. Still it hurts. Some of the bjj schools are ignorant they say no leglocks it is dangerous but they show these kind of moves
That one of the reasons I'm not particularly eager to practice jujitsu there are people who during the practice session go full in like in my experience
I’ve heard that Tonon move be referred to as “Scissor Ashi,” which I thought was different bc it seems like he drops back down at the end to collect the leg. Is it a different move or did he just modify it to go into the heel hook? I’m very unfamiliar with the kani basami, so I’m just curious.
And this why my first words in a no gi match are, "please leave my legs alone". For those of you who that's a chicken approach, I'll send you flowers when you're getting your legs surgically repaired.
dude, it's not fair in a competition to tell your opponents what they can and can't do. rules are rules. if you're afraid of what can happen in competition, then don't compete.
About 6 months ago, I finally decided I was “too old for this 💩.” I loved it, but the risk of running into some young guy seeking BJJ “glory” was finally too much. I need to be able to do other important things.
Another one is people getting their knees blown out in lockdown/scorpion lock when they're getting swept with knee torque and try to stay up posting with their arms.
@@TylerSpangler my mom actually played pro wrestling with me when I was like 4 and she let me try out submissions I learnt in jjj she was a pretty cool lady
Its interesting that a move is so effective that it instantly renders your opponent unable to fight back is considered a bad thing. I understand in the context of sport Jiu jitsu and training, it shouldn't be allowed, but when you're actually in a fight these seem like viable moves because if they go right or wrong, the outcome is the same.
@@Kinan_The_G.O.A.T exactly so no martial art should advertise as a boost to self-defense capabilities like they all do. It's damaging to people to make them think like they can be okay in situations they are not okay in at all. Results in people getting themselves into trouble all too often
@@jansonshrock2859 dude a submission alone can teach them the pain that happens in street fights. No need to paralyze yourself or disable yourself for “self defense”
WTF those refs need to learn when to call it and protect the competitors!!! And in training don't wreck the people you're training with because you're trying to prove a point that you "got them" most of the time people just don't know when they can get out and when they just need to tap. That's the point of rolling in class to learn what you can do and what you can't! TEACH THEM! You don't do it by hurting them.
Seeing how people execute the scissor takedown annoys me. I won't advocate for people to do it but seeing people just launch their bodies at the opponent's knees shows a lack of understanding and experience. Ideally you're using your weight to shift the opponents center so that they are unstable and you're just pulling them down. Assuming there's not a huge weight difference it shouldn't take much force. In most grappling techniques it shouldn't take much force because grappling techniques are more about being efficient than brute force.
I believe that all of techniques that won't win you instantaneously in a real life situation shouldn't be allowed specialy if they cause permanent damage to the practicioners, I even believe that low kicks are an idiotic Idea as well... in the streets break a leg or an arma won't stop the atacker from stabbing you or doing something else in the heat of the moment so I don't see it as an actualy good technique, the same goes for low kicks. some techniques only work in long rounds and some only serves for the purpose of destroying your partner health permanently.
Great video! Also do one on how to not be a d+¢k lol. Not long ago i had a brand new guy who "watched alot of ufc" try a jumping guillotine on me. He was about 4" taller than me, about the same weight 220. Im experienced so i went with him hopped his guard, and then proceeded to arm triangle the spit outta him. But a white belt could have easily sustained a neck or knee injury.
@@kris3451 won't happen if you bodylock properly. You aren't supposed to be close enough for them to get their legs in-between yours. Also you should have a slight angle to the side. But most importantly, just do it to people who know how to react property without self destructing. If you have the precise worst possible reaction to a move most moves become catastrophic lol.
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This video needs to be mandatory curriculum in every BJJ school on the planet.
100% agree
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Some people will just ignore it and said it as bullshit.
yeah that would be great for business, wouldn't it?
Agreed.
Rokas at Martial Arts Journey just posted that he had his knee shattered by a Kani Basami from some rando at an open mat practice...
just checked that out. that dude is mentally strong af. but hard to see him in that state. hope he recovers full soon.
That's exactly why i don't want to do bjj, some people are so reckless they don't care that you snap your knee ligament and lose 1 year of trainning.
Il just stay with my cycling + calisthetnics training
@@exriodonorte67 its sport but 1 tip is to just don't roll with people that are reckless
Just train with bluebelts and higher
Jiujitsu is like any other sport there's always going to be risks. However you can mitigate 99% of them by tapping early and avoiding rolling with spazzy people.
I've been grappling for 13 years and every injury I've gotten has been from moves that are legal at white belt. A lot of people crank submissions very fast, to the point that damage is being done before you can even tap. However, people are more careful with leg locks, and it's usually higher belts using them, but even in CACC, no one ever hurt my knee.
Really different from your usual vids, but incredibly well made and insightful, more like this!
I’m glad you enjoyed it 😁
Thank you for this video. This was a really hard one watch, but a very, very necessary one.
Hopefully we can all learn from others' past mistakes and prevent them from happening in the future. Train hard, but train smart. Stay safe out there guys
I just burned my gis and turned in my brown belt. Going to start my pilates journey tomorrow.
Well thanks, I didn't need sleep anyway. Holy crap, my hands are so sweaty right now.
Yeah I’ve been doing it for years but I don’t know if I want to go tomorrow lol.
@@sacredsam6046real
Exactly! Yeah I’m wide awake right now after watching this before bed…
The biggest problem with kani basami injuries is that the people doing the technique are *obviously* at the *wrong angle* to get the takedown. They are blatantly choosing to ignore your safety to try to get a takedown.
Even if they are at the right angle the other guy isn't just going to concede a takedown, they are going to try to escape and this is when peoples ankles start breaking
Don't do it 😂 🛑 explaining why.
BJJ will never banned Kani Basami. BJJ only banned Daki Age. I think BJJ even allowed standing Waki Gatame.
This is my fear with BJJ (and really any martial art). I just started BJJ earlier this year and it's really fun and exciting, but I don't think I would ever compete because I'm too scared of serious injury. I understand that even training in my academy has its risks, but I trust my folk. Nevertheless, great video! Really shed some light on things to look out for 😅
Self preservation is absolutely key in BJJ practice.
Injuries happen in any sport (maybe not chess). I injured myself worse playing basketball, running, jumping on trampolines, walking down stairs than doing 4 years of BJJ Training.
It's a tough sport but I love that BJJ is so safe while using a lot of strength and technique. You are responsible for the other person's safety while immobilizing / submitting them in a controlled manner without injury.
Generally
- Don't watch compilations of injuries too often.
- The head coach is responsible for providing a clean (desinfected), safe (properly cushioned) and secure (partners that have enough skill, and stable character to keep you safe),
- Beware of heavy guys or spazzy guys during rolling, these are the dangerous ones. I witnessed an injury when a guy did competition intensity during warmup games. Result was partially torn ACL of his partner and him leaving the room to vomit from exhaustion. Here the head coach should have rolled with that person first to understand if this person can be harmful to his students.
- Learn how to break fall - sideways, judo roll etc. with proper breathing, weight distribution, protecting your neck by tucking in your chin.
- Train your neck
- Make sure you warm up properly
- Ensure mats are clean to prevent skin infections
- In longer no-gi sessions (>30mins), wear leggins and long-sleeve rashguards to protect your hair follicles - it's easy to get some nasty pimples after friction.
During rolling
- Beware of your surroundings (people than can fall or roll onto you - I hurt my posted elbow like this.)
- control your opponent's angles and fall in a controlled way (the infamous guard pull can be useful here).
- Do not rely on the flexibility of your joints too much, but maintain posture and tension when holding off someones weight playing guard. Usually, when your joints are not neutral (e.g. your wrist in straight ankle lock or kimura), the technique is not effective and you strain your ligaments.
- Don't spazz, and just assume your fingers a ride plus any body part.
- When you are exhausted, take a break. Lack of coordination and resistance strength will be dangerous for you and your partner.
- Be aware of where you are not knowledgeable of the bimechanics and where sudden movement or great force can be harmful. (e.g. spinning around while your leg is in straight leglock, someone stacking their weight on your neck)
During competitions
-> I have no experience here. So I can just apply reasoning here.
- I have read that injuries are 10x more likely in competitions. But if you train 100h for 1h of of competition, you are still 10x more likely to injure yourself during training.
- Adrenaline, overestimating your abilities and the lack of control by the coach (to pick an opponent that's not dangerous) I would assume are key contributing factors.
Thank you very much for your thorough and detailed thoughts and sharing your experience! I really appreciate you taking the time to respond to my post. I agree with everything you said, and will take note on things I should be doing more often (training my neck, controlling angles, and taking breaks when exhausted). Thank you again!@@JAt0m
I've been doing bjj for like 6 years and no one has tried to do this to me
@@armedjoy3045the problem is how do we distinguish you centre from the one Rokas went to. For kids training some advice is training for national or international level in any sport Football Gymnastics were cited is far more dangerous than either TMA or combat sports. Problem with Bjj is it shuns regulation. There are centres in Bangalore but I think deciding to train is one of those decisions adults can make only for their own body. Unlike karate or kalaripayattu
When some people say Jiu-jitsu isn’t dangerous, watch this. I agree white belts are dangerous to a point because they don’t know what they don’t know thus going for mad wonky moves.
Looking back, I'm glad my father signed me up for boxing. He used to teach Jiu Jitsu in Russian Army in the 70s and 80s, and he taught me a few simple moves when I was a kid which I enjoyed learning.
This is so so important. Suffered three months out because of someone jumping guard on me. Blew my knee out, and prob won’t be the same ever again… judo and the sense to ban so many of these techniques, why hasn’t BJJ caught on?
Thank you. Now I know a lot more reasons why it was a good idea to focus on lifting heavy steel weights above my head instead of training BJJ :)
personally, i think the whole thing about slams can be fairly easily solved just by making a couple rules around them. the rest is pretty much impossible to manage and it's better to just ban them to make the sport safe enough to be playable. which is a bit of a loss from a martial perspective, but losing good practitioners to injuries is probably a bigger loss.
slams though, they come down to a few considerations:
1) slams are dangerous so you can't really let people do them
2) slams are incredibly effective, so their presence or emulation change the submission game entirely by forcing players to defend and prevent the pick up that would allow for a slam
2.5) slams are extremely intuitive, people with zero grappling experience will try to pick you up and slam you if you lock them into a triangle. so you create a huge gap between the sport and reality by ignoring them by banning them.
3) slams, especially the initial pick up, are volatile and defendable. so your rules have to reflect it and leave the opportunity to defend against them.
i think the way to go is simply to ban the slam itself, but allow picking up your opponent. once you have lifted your opponent above a certain height, you are considered "slam ready", and that your opponent failed to defend the slam, you get a point or other form of scoring advantage, and you are separated and position is reset.
that's pretty much how we go when sparing ground in my japanese jujitsu gym. when the guy start picking you up, you try to trip him, once he manage to lift you above his hips we basically agree he would have just won by slamming you if it was a real fight.
I agree, the slam problem is indicative of a bad rule set in sport jiu-jitsu around this issue. In judo, if you pick someone up from when you are both on the ground (which is when a lot of these slams occur) then the action is stopped and you reset. But if you are trying a flying guard pull or other such silliness then you are using an uncontrolled technique and deserve to get slammed.
Thank you for making this video.
I've studied various martial arts throughout my life to a degree of proficiency though not an expert in any. My gym has a variety of styles so I still float between styles and practice some stuff on my own. I have been endlessly thinking about the last BJJ class I attended. i don't know, but I have. After watching this I think I'll try to be more careful when trying to do takedowns, throws ect. This video will make me rethink a lot of that.
Posting the hand doesn't make it safe,. That is the way to do it in judo, but people's hands slip very often when it is done under pressure... Even in the most infamous occurrence in judo of injury by kani basami (Yamahita vs Endo), which led to it finally being banned, the attacker tried to post his hand.
Ive never heard of Tani Otoshi being considered dangerous in any judo dojo since starting judo over 20 years ago.
Bij people dumb
It is only relatively recently that it became known as a dangerous move (and it is true IMO, just much less dangerous than kani basami)
My sensei telling us to be careful with Tani Otoshi since I've been training at his dojo (about twelve years ago)
Jits guys don't practice it and can't do it properly so they end up sitting on the guys knee at about 45o making it extremely dangerous and difficult to even turn to avoid injury, understandable why they don't allow it.
Lots of things are very dangerous done incorrectly.
4:23 that was personal 😂
Excellent video! Even if could construed as shocking. Thank you for your hard work on this. You are helping in the cause of safety.
I was not ready for all these injury clips goddamn
4:39 Possibly psychotic opinion: if someone jumps toward you, you should be exempt from any slam DQ when you sprawl onto them to save your knees. It's perverse to do a high-momentum move that endangers both athletes and expect the opponent to brace your weight.
Yep, it should be legal to slam anyone who uses jumping techniques by sprawling. Why should you get your knees destroyed by someone who doesn't consider your safety?
Jumping guard in particular is not an effective technique in the real world, because you'd just get slammed. However, because slams are banned, it encourages people to jump into guard and potentially cause some bad injuries. So, you basically have to either allow both moves, or ban both moves, because if you just ban slams only, then it encourages people to jump into guard.
Yo these illegal moves look pretty handy. Thanks man
A few days ago, I did a lateral knee bar without knowing what I was doing to a purple belt (I’m a white belt). He got upset, asked where I had learned to do that, and then the roll got very intense. In the end, he came to talk to me and said that a white belt shouldn't do that. I was so lost that I asked him what I had done, and he explained it to me. He said that if I had done the technique correctly, I could have seriously injured him.
After suffering an injury from a low kick 10 month ago looking at this video scratched some mostly healed psychological wound 😂. Anyway, glad i saw this video before i decided to get into bjj, it made me realise that i'm not psychologicaly and physicaly ready for the sport yet.
No joke, man, I think the turtle one happened to me the other day in class 😨 thank goodness for my sickening mobility obsession 🥺🤕🤸♂️ great video, man. Injury prevention should be a goal above almost all else
That might be the most I’ve cringed in a single video. From the injuries, the video itself was great.
Unless you have the right partner you will sustain far more injuries in BJJ then any other martial sport. And the reason is because of what my Judo coach says, “there is a thousand ways to choke someone.” It’s why sports should limit and not be unlimited, because a handful of those ways are going to really hurt someone.
2 weeks into my Grade 1 ACL tear. 10 more weeks to go 🙂
My question is, did you harbor any animosity forr being put out of training for 3 months due to your partners negligence?
So personally I just let bygones be bygones. But then I posted it as a reel on Instagram and he said it was my fault, so now I do lol
@@TylerSpangler He did? The audacity. Sounds like a Gym Tour part 2 to me 😈
@@derrickrobinson7269 indeed haha. I gave him the pin of shame if you want to see his response on the reel
Why should it be your fault, genuinly interessted@@TylerSpangler
@@TylerSpanglerthat guys response made my blood boil. Idk what gym he trains at but he’d be permanently banned from mine for pulling that move and then having the audacity to act like that after injuring a training partner especially someone visiting
as a wrestler and now training in jiu jitsu, this pisses me off royally . wrestling is a lot more concussion prone due to throws, but these are less popular in jiu jitsu, and people prefer to just try to cut the legs and use gravity. this is the exact opposite of the nature of both sports . both focus incredibly well on proper positioning, form, and grips to avoid injury like this .
Unfortunately the venn diagram intersection between martial arts practitioners and people with restraint and control is REALLY thin. 😢
Very well-made video. Informative, concise, clear. Appreciate it.
A lot of jujitsu guys should learn to let go I think, a lot of injuries could be avoided (at least for the one being attacked, wouldn't the jumper in the jumping guard case, for example)
The Tan Otoshi was done to me at my first Buhurt practice and it left me hobbling for over a year.
I tore someone’s ligament off the bone with a tani otoshi (judoka in judo sparring). I love that move, but I’d rather eat a loss and get injured myself than ever injure someone in that way again.
And the heel hook/leglock early practice argument is important. Learning to mark dangerous submissions early without finishing them teaches control, also kneebars are important counters to a lot of simple guard defenses so learning them early is really useful in improving your guard.
This video is a great education piece and probably your hardest video to watch. It's a great reminder to just tap and carry on training.
In the NFL, falling body weight when tackling has been finally banned from the sport. This is definitely a dangerous move.
I got my arm messed up in wrestling from a spiral fracture, he had my arm behind my back, put his arm under it, and rolled over my back, basically doing an improvised kimuta
Did all of these other than jumping guard back in mid eighties judo never hurt anyone or got hurt from them, but that's just my %
We were taught to be very careful on timing tani otoshi and kani basami to keep our weight off the near leg and drop behind their position
Brooo this vid was extremely informative.. and tough to watch 😂
No warning or nothing! Thanks for the upset stomach.... 😂
Always have to go in dry!
i am a little late here but i wanted to mention that the kani basami is banned even in karate (in the forms where your "opponent" knows what you are about to do). DON'T DO IT IN TRAINING, DON'T BE STUPID!
It was probably my second week of jiujitsu and a purple belt twistered me. I didn't even realize I was in danger
I have sciatica now
Purple belt should not have done that on a beginner.
@@eamonob84 He should not have done that on anyone.
@@poldreborn4281 I don’t have a problem with twisters as long as the other person knows the submission and the person doing it knows not to go hard. Same thing with heel hooks…you just have to get to the position but then be gentle and not put it on tight. Other person also has to know the game is up and to tap. But doing either to a white belt that doesn’t know the submissions is extremely dangerous and negligent.
Every submission puts you in danger?
@@ethanchaney1139 yeap 😅
This video explained to me why in judo elbow locks are the only locks allowed.
As someone who has trained jiujitsu for 11 years this actually scared me.
Broke my arm during mma through a kimura. Had an x-ray and the doctors more or less instantly said "yeap this is gonna need surgery".. and that's how I ended up with a metal plate in my arm.
Still training?
this makes me terrified
Few months ago in the class they show us broomstick (Renzo Gracie's move). For me it is a dangerous move and I ended up injured my big toe. Still it hurts. Some of the bjj schools are ignorant they say no leglocks it is dangerous but they show these kind of moves
Is it me or this video is scarier than a horror movie?
That one of the reasons I'm not particularly eager to practice jujitsu there are people who during the practice session go full in like in my experience
Estima Lock is whack too, a move for try-hards that usually results in verbal tap due to injury
I’ve heard that Tonon move be referred to as “Scissor Ashi,” which I thought was different bc it seems like he drops back down at the end to collect the leg. Is it a different move or did he just modify it to go into the heel hook? I’m very unfamiliar with the kani basami, so I’m just curious.
And this why my first words in a no gi match are, "please leave my legs alone".
For those of you who that's a chicken approach, I'll send you flowers when you're getting your legs surgically repaired.
dude, it's not fair in a competition to tell your opponents what they can and can't do. rules are rules. if you're afraid of what can happen in competition, then don't compete.
Jeezzz this video made me look away several times.
I’m sorry. The brutality of bjj!
All these weekend warriors are playing with fire.
I honestly feel like improperly done outside trips should have made the list. Lot of ppl just fall on the side of the knee when doing them.
this video got me sweating, OUCHIES
This is a great video on “street techniques only” in a street scenario only your survival matters
I can honestly say that a lot of white belts have tried all of those moves on me this past decade. Most of them don’t train anymore.
About 6 months ago, I finally decided I was “too old for this 💩.”
I loved it, but the risk of running into some young guy seeking BJJ “glory” was finally too much. I need to be able to do other important things.
Thanks for this, I reckon THE most important in video ❤
I used kani-basami while practicing judo in Poland.
No problems...
I feel this video on a personal level
Another one is people getting their knees blown out in lockdown/scorpion lock when they're getting swept with knee torque and try to stay up posting with their arms.
Kimura are only dangerous if you dont want to tap
I literally winced at every instance of tore ligaments in this video. Ack!
I have never considered tani otoshi as dangerous move. Over 20 years and I have never seen accident with it, but plenty with heel hooks.
I once hurt someone's knee with it (not catastrophically). It wasn't until years later that I understood why
I can't wait to try these moves on my mom
Me too! She's going to love them!
She will love them
@@TylerSpangler my mom actually played pro wrestling with me when I was like 4 and she let me try out submissions I learnt in jjj she was a pretty cool lady
Your mom goes to college
That’s why BJJ is a sport and not a martial art…
Every single snapping.mp3 sound lmao. Goddamnit Tyler. Quality video though, not as quality as your knees prolly
We really don't talk enough about this.
Its interesting that a move is so effective that it instantly renders your opponent unable to fight back is considered a bad thing. I understand in the context of sport Jiu jitsu and training, it shouldn't be allowed, but when you're actually in a fight these seem like viable moves because if they go right or wrong, the outcome is the same.
All kind of flying moves put the attacker in danger as well.
Thing is that ease of practice is part of whether a move is good.
Scissor takedown is a good takedown, but you'd need to practice it and that's hard.
just goes to show when you go to BJJ class, you're not learning self defense you're learning a sport.
Yeah they teach the technique but it’s illegal bro. There’s no martial art that doesn’t have rules
@@Kinan_The_G.O.A.T exactly so no martial art should advertise as a boost to self-defense capabilities like they all do. It's damaging to people to make them think like they can be okay in situations they are not okay in at all. Results in people getting themselves into trouble all too often
@@jansonshrock2859 dude a submission alone can teach them the pain that happens in street fights. No need to paralyze yourself or disable yourself for “self defense”
WTF those refs need to learn when to call it and protect the competitors!!! And in training don't wreck the people you're training with because you're trying to prove a point that you "got them" most of the time people just don't know when they can get out and when they just need to tap. That's the point of rolling in class to learn what you can do and what you can't! TEACH THEM! You don't do it by hurting them.
This video could be called "The art of Hooking".
Dude did a leg lock on me today and might be my first serious injury in BJJ
God dang it the sounds at the Kimura 🥴🥴🥴🥴
Off to my grappling class in a minute... Cheers mate 😂🤮🤮
Very hard to watch, but I appreciate the education.
Closed my eyes 10 times just to avoid watching the competition footages
I choose the wrong video to watch during breakfast
Bro wtf I was not prepared for this.
Watching this with a torn MCL from a bad throw. Not fun. Great video.
At least a MCL will heal on its own. No surgery needed. I went through it from bjj accident. Took about three months.
so glad I do judo
Wow, I really had to look away a number of times... 😖🤮
I love this style of video but I also cringed so many times at the breaks 😵💫
Seeing how people execute the scissor takedown annoys me. I won't advocate for people to do it but seeing people just launch their bodies at the opponent's knees shows a lack of understanding and experience. Ideally you're using your weight to shift the opponents center so that they are unstable and you're just pulling them down. Assuming there's not a huge weight difference it shouldn't take much force. In most grappling techniques it shouldn't take much force because grappling techniques are more about being efficient than brute force.
I believe that all of techniques that won't win you instantaneously in a real life situation shouldn't be allowed specialy if they cause permanent damage to the practicioners, I even believe that low kicks are an idiotic Idea as well... in the streets break a leg or an arma won't stop the atacker from stabbing you or doing something else in the heat of the moment so I don't see it as an actualy good technique, the same goes for low kicks.
some techniques only work in long rounds and some only serves for the purpose of destroying your partner health permanently.
Is that the guy that fought Coty in Fargo Tyler?
i dont do Judo but cant u just slam to flying attacks?
Tani otoshi for self defense though😉
Yeah i think imma stick with a big stick for self defense
if BJJ is invincible like so many people claim it to be, there shouldn't be any illegal moves
I think the monumental level of stupidity you possess should be studied and documented
First move you learn is the tap.
It’s a very valuable one
Great video! Also do one on how to not be a d+¢k lol. Not long ago i had a brand new guy who "watched alot of ufc" try a jumping guillotine on me. He was about 4" taller than me, about the same weight 220. Im experienced so i went with him hopped his guard, and then proceeded to arm triangle the spit outta him. But a white belt could have easily sustained a neck or knee injury.
Had a bone fractured from a less than perfect guard jump. F that guy.
Crazy
Tani otoshi ain't dangerous if you do it from a rear body lock
There are so many more way more high percentage moves you can do that are far less likely to result in an injury why would you ever even try that
I have been doing this takedown for years.... I haven't had any issues like this.
@@kris3451If you keep your tripping leg straight, it is impossible for them to land on your knee.
@@mishapettigrew612 because it's effective?
@@kris3451 won't happen if you bodylock properly. You aren't supposed to be close enough for them to get their legs in-between yours. Also you should have a slight angle to the side.
But most importantly, just do it to people who know how to react property without self destructing. If you have the precise worst possible reaction to a move most moves become catastrophic lol.
That was painful to get through
I dont know how I got here, but I guess I won’t be trying BJJ anytime soon.
apparently wearing a cup should be in this video. it terrifies bjj ppl XD (it can be used as a ''weapon'').
Really? You mean to bump?