The multiverse used to be a fun idea cause we hardly ever saw it but now any form of sci-fi or superhero project ultlizes it and it’s kinda just eh now. Instead of going “Yoooo the Multiverse”, it’s now it’s “Oh the multiverse”
Exactly this. It used to be a way to explore variations in things you know and how they would interact with each other. Now it’s a way to either reset or bring back dead charachters. And it’s become overused now not even just in DC, Marvel also has this problem probably more than DC. DC has a writer communication/ intellectual property problem that they use the multiverse to excuse.
Multiverse was always there, the thing is, it was used properly. It's like how Time Travel can be fun, but if you're making Time Travel but every story is "The Timeline is going to End if you don't do something" it gets boring. - Loki - Everything, Everywhere, All at Once - Dr. Who - What If - Russian Doll - Theoretically even JoJo Bizarre Adventures * - etc. Each of these Stories did Multiverse in a very creative and fun way, where it enhances the story because of it's Multiverse. Multiverse is in a lot of stories, the issue is DC continuously recreates Crisis on Infinite Earths, and Marvel can't tell a Story that isn't Multiverse. * One thing that JoJo Bizarre Adventures did as a fun way to do multiverse is Diavolo's Death. Essentially, as long as Diavolo dies, it's Canon. He can get killed to Batman, and it's Canon.
I hope James Gunn is able to straighten out the whole multiverse concept for DC, by focusing on his new Earth 1 rather than jumping around to different Earths to explore new stories. There are different ways to explore new stories on the same Earth. They can be set in different times, places and even different magical dimensions. Not everything has to be a separate universe.
There certatinly is a multiverse in the new dcu, probavly i cluding the old dceu and all the elseworld content, but he's probably bot gonna tap into that for a while (crossovers). Having movies and shows set on different times is somethi g he will likely do. That's already happening with creature commandos if I'm not mistaken. And as this dcu seems to br a universe where heroes have existed for a while, you have room to explore stories in the past without if feeling like retcons (mcu)
I mean you saying he should do a multiverse by doing a multiverse? Like name a comic company that only has one world with an unchangable signle history? Also it's far to late for DC the multiverse is at least a known thing even if noone in the verse knows how it works.
I kinda feel bad for something like Invincible because they're just adapting what happened in the comics nearly 20 or so years ago and general audiences were worried that it was a result of the mulitverse craze
The fun thing about the multiverse was that it was a way of having your cake and eating it too: You want a Batman with character development where he marries Catwoman and sacrifices himself to save his city. Boom, universe You want a Batman who was forever young and kept having endless adventures. Boom, universe. Sometimes they would cross over and it would be a nice little treat. Now it's just exhausting.
I want Batman when he marry Barbara Gordon bcs she realized they love each other plus grayson's a twink *BOOM,UNIVERSE!* i also want a Superman who marry Supergirl bcs they love each other n Kryptonian allowed incestous relationship plus they're the last of their kind *BOOM,UNIVERSE!* WHO'S WITH ME✋🏻✋🏻✋🏻✋🏻🙋🏼♂️🙋🏼♂️🙋🏼♂️🙋🏼♂️🧑🏻🍳
Especially if they're not gonna get it right. Crisis on two earths is better than the entire Crisis trilogy. They've completely lost their touch and it shows.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp THIS PART^^^ Earth Two Mirror Matches of characters have always been more interesting in stories they’re in than multiverse versions of characters in crisis events. The only crisis event I actually liked reading was Infinite Crisis and that’s because that’s the story that got me into comics in general
I am not tired of the concept of a multiverse its fun to see different versions of characters and how their back stories are different. It will never stop being fun like Time Travel.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp How? I got it. When you go back in time you don't really change the past you create a new timeline that branches off the old timeline.
The problem comes when, instead of fleshing out a new universe seperately, the writers have a dozen different universes interact. Acknowledging the multiverse is ironically one of the least interesting ways to use a multiverse.
@icecreamhero2375 OK, but using time travel when there were plenty of ways to get the stones is stupid. And the fact that they did a 5 year time skip makes it feel like the situation wasn't as urgent. People had moved on. They developed systems. Tony retired. Hulk became a celebrity. Yeah, people were sad, but things weren't in ruin. It wasn't the end of the world. That was 5 years ago. The movie never made it feel like they absolutely needed time travel. I mean even during the time heist planning they were sitting laying down, and eating take out. It never made sense. It's just a very lazy to fix things, but it never felt like the writers really thought it through.
Now as for the multiverse I don’t think it’s a bad concept far from it, the problem with the multiverse as a whole it’s a mess especially with dc comics using the multiverse to many times is super confusing and makes my head hurt in my opinion.
@@TevyaSmolka Maybe they should just not mention the old universe after having a reboot. Just let the fans of the old keep their memories separate and the publisher moves on, pandering to the next generation with new books!
I'd say the worst part about the multiverse is how it is used to bastardize or kill the universes we love like what the arrowverse did to Smallville or what the tommorrowverse did to the DCAU.
@@Bred-vz2py there's a note in the Tomorrowverse though. The only actual Cartoon Universe it for sure eradicated was the 2003 Teen Titans...unless of course it's later revealed that 2003 has a hypertimeline split about how Go and Go03 (the Tie-ins from that era were called Go! as well and functions as a sort of season 6 in some cases using some options like continuing a plot about Raven, giving a seasonal Starfire special, classic Titan special with Donna, the Grand Fab 5 special, showing Titans Going Global, Terra special.), but for now no Darkseid exists in the Go03! universe. Remember the Earth-12 (Timm) and Earth-508 (Super Friends) like Earth-2003 lacked a Darkseid. Those aren't the actual Earths aside from Earth-2003...as Teen Titans 2003 never had a Darkseid. In the MAWS universe Earth-508 is actually the Timmverse where Darkseid exists ans Earth-50 is where Super Friends with a Darkseid exists. In the Tomorrowverse LSPS and Galactic Guardians never happened on the Super Friends universe and the events of "Father's Day", "Legacy" and any other episodes of JL and JLU involving Darkseid and the forces of Apokalips and New Genesis never happened...I would also presume that in the Tomorrowverse version of JL and JLU that the Timmverse Wonder Woman actually had consistent Perez/Rucka portrayal from the moment she left the island which in an attempt to divert several of those events in S:TAS would be her planned guest-star appearance that got scrapped in 1999 and the initial finale of Superman: TAS with the League forming being "Secret Origins" episode there...seeing as she got done dirty on the main Timm timeline prior to unlimited until retcons occur the next time main comic-Barry runs.
Me personally. I like the multiverse and I love getting new versions of my favorite characters. HOWEVER, I prefer well written multiverse stories, not half baked concepts that use alternate realities as a quick cash grab. The Tomorrowverse being a prime example.
I think Clark in Smallville gets his super powers back eventually on account of there's a scene where one of the kids at Clark school has the ability to when he touches somebody he sees how they're going to die and when he touches Clark he sees a Superman cape flying to the end of the universe
Tbf to Infinite Crisis. The multiverse came back almost instantaneously after Infinite Crisis, as things like DC’s Elseworlds and different timelines and possibilities was quickly established before even the 90s hit. Not to mention how some writers didn’t even really know that the multiverse rebooted, causing weird shit like the Legion of Superheroes and Superboy (who’s from Pre-Crisis Earth-1) just showed up in early issues of Post-Crisis Superman Comics continuity is a f*cking mess, and it’s always been a f*cking mess
I had the idea for a Flash story where Reverse Flash trains Captain Boomerang and Captain Cold on how to be petty just like him so that they can bully Barry Allen. Although, I’m pretty sure a story like that already exists
Mirror master gives Barry body issues by constantly making him look fat or have spots in the mirror. That is scary as I trust the mirror to tell me how I look more then anybody else
I had an idea for Flashpoint movie taking place after Batman v. Superman. Taking a page out of Marvel's Ruins story, Flash would begin to notice how dark everything is in the Snyderverse, especially after Superman died. Things feel off, so he decides to try to breathe hope and light into it by changing the past. Starting with saving his mom. Changing the darkest day of his life, and turning it into something positive. Then he winds up on another Earth. And has to find a way back.
They've had a multiverse problem since Barry met Jay. The multiverse is fun but it has always been a band-aid on a bigger problem, which is DC's inability to make concrete decisions on the continuity and lore of the world and it's characters and stick to it. They introduced it as way to explain the changes in certain characters from the Golden Age to The Silver Age. But then they went crazy with the concept, it got convoluted and they had to get rid of it. They brought it back to one earth but it still didn't make complete sense so they been bringing the multiverse back and getting rid of it or changing it in some way over and over again since the original crisis in 1985. We're at the point now where nothing matters and everything feels like a one off till they change the lore again.
i think that the biggest issue with the DC and marvel multiverses is the over-explaining of the multiverses. at its best, multiverses are a hand-wave to explain continuity errors between runs by different authors. it gives artists the creative legroom they need to tell a cohesive story. and a lot of the best stories are the ones that take the most creative liberties with continuity. trying to make every run of every comic completely synchronistic with each other across 9 decades is a fool's errand and they need to let it go.
They honestly should jus let the Batman/Superman/Green Arrow era of characters retire and let the Teen Titans era be the leads, and then the Young Justice era and Titans rebirth era as the younger league members. And then create whole new characters for Titans/Young Justice
@daraghokane4236 i think these characters belong on the big screen. You need the budget and writing to pull it off and the CW didn't have either. I've been wanting to see a definitive version of the DC cinematic universe. It's pretty clear we're never going to get that.
What's sad about the Multiverse concept is that the Multiverse can be utilised as a great narrative plot line in both DC and Marvel and even separate media such as Into The Spider-Verse, Spider-Man: No Way Home, Justice League: Crisis on Two Earths, or even Everything Everywhere All At Once. The reason the concept has become so stale and disliked is because these franchises don't use the concept to the fullest potential and use it to exploit nostalgia of their audience instead of establishing new universes with new ideas and reinventions that offer narrative exploration. Luckily there are some good films/shows utilising the idea well like No Way Home, Into the Spider-Verse movies etc... and allow their characters to grow but both Marvel and DC need to desperately learn how to use the concept of a Multiverse tastefully without pumping out so much content of the multiverse to the point that it feels like too much not to mention exploiting nostalgia to the point that it feels patronising as shown with how horrible The Flash (2023) was
I replied someone's comment here in comment section, you can just find it. we're on the same page bud. I'm just glad more people have better understanding on comics vs adaptation. MCU's multiverse have a clear goal. DC's multiverse stories if done right in live action (DCEU/DCAU/DCTV) could actually be one of the best multiverse superhero films (not like Super and Lois' multiverse and that god awful Flash movie) and it just sucks coz all they do is quantity over quality If DC just slows down for a bit, maybe they could've cooked better. (in James Gunn I trust)
The Multiverse concept can be good depending on how it’s used. I mean, the Ultraman franchise (Japanese franchise, not Earth-3 Superman) has had a multiverse since the 90s and just uses it to give each iteration a fresh start. And Everything Everywhere All at Once used it to tell a story about the possibilities within a human life. The problem is Marvel and DC usually use it to revisit other iterations of heroes or as a place to stash acquired IP (like Quality, Fawcett and Charlton heroes).
I remember in one of the Japanese Ultraman movies a Ultra actually escapes the universe and sees the multiverse, and its honestly my favorite representation of the multiverse in live action.
7:30 to be fair time travel in dc is always inconsistent Flash goes back in time to stop his moms death suddenly a new hellish world is made But booster gold gets to fuck around in the realitive past and Nothing
@@memevondank1197 it's because the way they explain it that doesn't make sense and I even came up with my own definition of alternate timelines anyway that is much more digestible and understandable then what the writers can make Alternate Timeline: - An alternate timeline refers to a divergent path or sequence of events that branches off from the main timeline at a specific point. This concept is commonly used in time travel stories, where characters travel to the past and inadvertently change history, creating a new timeline with different outcomes.In this context, the alternate timeline represents a different series of events that coexist alongside the original timeline.and the symbolism behind it is the river or the stream of time that exist within every separate universes because the larger stream represents the original or main timeline and all of the smaller streams that split off from the main stream are alternate timelines this can happen if a time traveler goes back up the stream or back in time to change the direction of the stream it but instead of changing the main stream like if you were to kill your parents in the past or giving knowledge about the future to your past self you would still exist in the main timeline then the only thing you did is created a new stream or a new timeline that exist along side with the main or original timeline with different outcomes like you never being born in that timeline or your telling your past self to not make the same mistake as your main time self because regardless of whether you're a good or a bad person you made that future a reality and one more thing every alternate timeline you make is still part of the same universe unlike parallel or alternate universes that have there own river or there own stream of time that are disconnected from the main universe like you can have multiple timelines in one universe but you can't have multiple timelines in multiple universes as time travel only affects one universe as other universes are unaffected by any changes in time as it is limited to one universe and the only way you can change the timeline in another universe is to be in that universe in the first place but in certain universes the river or stream can or cannot have limits of how many times you split the timeline finitely or infinitely and you can travel to these alternate timelines after you establish a connection with that alternate timeline so that you don't end up in the wrong one by mistake and you can travel back and forward in these connected alternate timelines without splitting them again the next time you come back there and the side effects of splitting the timeline will effect on how the user experiences this new timelines because only the time traveler remembers the original timeline where as everyone else round you don't even experience the split of the timeline you just made like the environment or the setting of that timeline being different than the one you experience previously or your family friends and even your lovers don't even know you as if you were to tell them who you really are they will just shrug it off as if you are crazy and if you want to remove the alternate timeline then have a temporal being cut off the connection between the original timeline and the alternate timeline then that alternate doesn't exist anymore because without that connection of the original timeline to these alternate timelines they will cease to exist or if you can cut the timelines without destroying them then they will become pocket timelines that is contain within a book or a scroll by the time collectors who's purpose is just to collecting alternate timelines out of curiosity or as a hobby and as preservers to help keep the river or stream protected
Booster's time traveling is a fixed point. Barry's is more of a real Thawne in his side. Pre-Crisis he suffered no effects for this. Wally had the issues because he was 10.
The easiest and most consistent way to do this would be to look at the Undertale Au community (trust). A Multiverse has an infinite amount of realities/alternating universes. The Multiverse being "destroyed" makes zero sense because attempting to destroy something that will infinitely have an alternate timeline regardless of what you do is ultimately pointless, you have Fandom made characters like Error Sans who's entire thing is destroying universes with the goal that he'll get rid of them all (because he thinks of them as glitches or parasites), but his "mission" is ultimately pointless because they will always exist, and he is technically creating more realities in which were messed up by his meddling. This might not be the best example I could give, but it's what I thought of while watching the video. You could probably relate it to Batman's mission of trying to make the world a better place than when he was born into it, as you cannot destroy the infinite ever growing possibility of someone wanting to follow "criminal" urges, or simply put; human nature. But he does what he does because he's driven to, he just can't get rid of something fundamental about any sentient being. Just like you can't get rid of the fundamental nature of infinite alternate timelines, which is why I typically don't get into anything involving them because they always wanna try and get rid of it or make it into a one-note thing for whatever reason. Like youll have a character like Doctor Strange talking about how there's mainly one possibility across a few million universes despite alternate universes having an infinite amount of those. Sorry for the long ass comment I hope this made any kinda sense. 🐴🐴
My opinion ... ? It is far TOO true to "Smallville" that Clark would give up his powers. I found "Smallville" to be frustrating because (after two seasons anyway) it wasn't about Clark growing into his powers so much as finding excuses to not use his powers, except to stop the threat of the week. Once those threats of the week stopped appearing, yeah, I can see him quitting the hero biz. So I guess I'm complaining about "Smallville" more than I am about Clark's portrayal here.
Multiverse can be fun, I just wish they used it creatively or sparingly. It feels like any Multiverse Story is just "World Ending Threat" but upscaled to many Worlds. Everything, Everywhere, All at Once, will remain as the best multiverse story to me, and that's not even a DC/Marvel movie.
I will never understand how Keaton's Batman knows anything about how time travel works. There is no reason he would know that. I am 1000 percent sure that diologe was written either for John Wesley Shipp's or Grant Gustin's Flash and they just didn't want another Flash in the movie because they knew people would compare them to Miller's Flash and he wouldn't hold up. It would have made more sense to use another version of Miller's Flash to explain that stuff, ideally the one we saw from previous movies from that dark future but they didn't want to do that because they wanted to distance themselves from those movies too.
Multiverse is a great concept when used correctly and have established rules. Don't just do it to hop on the train and try to wing it. Ahem MCU. I like DC when they do the Multiverse besides the Tomorrowverse ( fan of the Tomorrowverse but declined after Legion). Overall it really shouldn't be that hard. Build up your universe then drop little nuggets of the wider universe then later do a small or big event. Ahem Crisis on Two Earth's and God's and Monsters were very good Multiverse stories.
It's not that they could not find the time to use Grant Gustin.... They made the active choice NOT to use him because they were affraid he would steal the spotlight from Ezra Miller. They did the Same with Superman in Supergirl Season 1. Heck.... Marvel did the same with Dr Strange in Wandavision by removing Dr Strange from appearing at the end of the season to lead into Dr Strange 2.
Wasn't Grant pretty much done with being Flash himself anyway? That said...his and JWS cameo's should have been somewhere for universes if possible...and even had a Lynda Carter cameo somewhere too...oh right...they couldn't be bothered to properly do Lynda and Gal...the only big 3 they got right this time and then comic accurately messed it up.
Actually, there are multiple reasons Clark never appeared in Supergirl season one. One of which was an embargo that forbade Superman from appearing on TV because of Justice League being in development when the show started.
In my opinion the DC multiverse should be used to tell Elseworld stories and fun What if story such as lightning hitting Barry Allen gives still force based abilities or Superman being sent to a battlefield planet akin to both battle arena and mad max while having a k type star.
Hear me out: just hear me out Maybe….just maybe the actual problem And I know this is an insane concept: Maybe the problem is these properties were not executed or written well Everything Everywhere All At Once has 0 build up. Its a standalone film. It presents the multiverse better than most projects we have ever seen Arrowverse has previous multiverse crossovers that were infinitely better than the Crisis. Mainly the one where they went to Earth-2 to try & figure something out with Zoom. It was better handling of the multiverse.
The Smallville cameo in Crisis is great. You should finish Smallville but that version of Clark giving up everything for his family makes sense especially if we go with season 11 stuff where there are other heroes to defend Smallville
DC originated the concept of multiverse in fiction, i can't blame them for the amount of crisis events they've had cause times change along with writers and readers so it's no suprise that newer writers would try to explore new ideas or expand their cosmology or whatever.....i don't mind if marvel and dc do multiverse shit as long as it's used to form a good story but my problem is how everyone, LITERALLY everyone is trying to include the concept of multiverse into their stories and now it's just annoying
That will be the Achilles heel of the new DCU, especially now that they plan to combine animation, live action and series, even games But hey, Batman seems strong enough to sustain Warner for a few more years.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp The character in general: they give him its own live action, its own series and even its own universes at times, basically working as DC's backup plan and gold mine and the only thing that could possibly survive the DCU if it flops
An issue I have with the multiverse is that they take things like shows movie etc and instead of those being treated as adaptations of the source material they’re turned into actual alternate universes
I think the Crisis on Infinite Earth's trilogy was wasted potential. It should've felt like an event. We're at a point where we are losing many actors and voice actors. This was Kevin Conroy's last performance of Batman ever, and he's not even part of the main cast. If they were gonna do it, then they should've gone all out. Instead it just kind of fizzled. I can't believe Teen Titans Go vs Teen Titans did a better job with the concept of the multiverse than an entire Crisis trilogy. It feels like they've just wasted the concept over and over again. Only times they did it properly were when it's much more limited in scale like Justice Lords, Crisis on two Earth's, or even Teen Titans Go vs Teen Titans. I think I'm just tired of the multiverse because they never do it justice, or do something interesting with it. I'd rather they not do it if they're going to half take a lazy approach.
My favorite time with the Multiverse was during DC’s Silver-Bronze Age. Adventures with The Justice Society (Earth-2), The Freedom Fighters (Earth-X), and The Fawcett Comics heroes (Earth-S). Crisis On Infinite Earths took all of the fun out of it.
WB: "We're going to have the Multiverse." Fans: "CW characters could appear in the movies?" WB: "Hell no! We don't want TV actors in our precious movies."
Couldn’t agree more. I believe that they should sparingly in universe and super hero movies, animation, games and etc. But I am more optimistic forJames Gunn DC universe in that regard.
honestly this is basically what ive been saying/thinking about the multiverse as a whole, its a cool concept on its own but its been used so many damn times that it really has lost all meaning and kinda serves to kill a lot of potential stakes with media now because like... why bother getting invested in this one character if there are almost infinite versions of that same character? id like to see a dc cinematic universe that actually like, TRIES to be one consistent storyline, and doesnt continually try and go "oh look heres a billion supermans isnt that really cool guys"
Um you know your saying Super mans first line should have been his oh only apernces right? Some how I doudt those are the ones you grew up with or are any pof your favooites.
I have exact set of blueprints to make the multiverse work whether it’s DC, Marvel, or something else entirely, and to see so many writers continuously fuck up the concept and make people jaded towards it annoys me to no end. Like nigga, I HAVE THE ANSWER, and there’s no way I can figure it out but these professional writers can’t!
Say what you will about this animated Crisis on Infinite Earths Trilogy, but I honestly think that wiped out EVERYTHING. From the DCEU, Arrowverse, DCAMU/Tomorrowverse, Batman: Arkham-verse, and the multiverses they all shared. I think that Trilogy was the true launch pad for the DCU.
I'm gonna be honest. Then multiverse in terms of the comics. Prior to the 1980s. Dc comics was filled with 50 years worth of continuity issues to the point of where no one knew were to start as result of organizing the main dc multiverse earlier. Then after infinite crisis and zero hour. Final crisis(not even a final crisis). They kept making multiversal crisis after crisis until the recent one dark crisis. Now they uses crisis to make money quickly. At this point crisis events should be special events that are used tell great stories once a decade or so. Take long breaks so the readers can rest. The CW arrowverse at least did a better job with setting crisis on infinite earths before it came out on the CW arrowverse. At least Oliver Queen's death had more weight to it when he died compared to what we got in the tomorrowverse. The tomorrowverse suffered from to much executive medaling & some bad creative Decisions. It had a lot potential but was ultimately rushed and crisis on infinite was just mostly eye candy rather than a good story. Supergirl was only 4 movies. They didn't even do their homework on the dcau adjacent characters. Only praise I'll is for Kevin Conroy & mark hamill's final preference as batman(tomorrowverse earth 12) and joker (tomorrowverse earth 12). The problem with connecting the older DC continuities. These old animated tv series and tv series have their own set of rules for the universe & their own multiverses. Also dc has changed creative teams over the years. Super friends & dc superhero girls 2015. Dcau all of them had their own version of Darkseid. All of these shows and movies have own versions of everything. The dcau has it's own Anti-Monitor as seen justice league unlimited issue 32. The tomorrowverse and the cw arrowverse have their own separate multiverse from the main dc multiverse much like the mcu's version of the marvel multiverse separate from the main marvel multiverse. There us a reason why dcau never explored it's own separate multiverse too much separate from the tomorrowverse until the justice league infinity comics that came out back in 2021. Because the dcau creative team understood multiverse concept is very confusing especially to the general audience. Attempting to connect old older continuities is just their way of attempting to bank off the older generation of who are fans of older dc continuities. The cw and other live action dc shows connect to the dceu is because it's wb just attempting to copy marvel studios because they have been trying to bank off their successes rather than attempting to find their own success.
DC multiverse prior of Crisis on Infinite Earths was marketed every summer of the original Justice League of America to boost sales as a multi part Crisis event. DC bought all of the minor comic companies and brought all their heroes to DC such as Captain Marvel now known as Shazam. By the 80's DC was in major trouble cause readers flocked over to Marvel and they needed to clean house.
People are starting to notice the big glaring problem of the Multiverse: If there are infinite alternate versions of these characters, why should I care? Why not just ignore this because it won't matter by the next reset? The Multiverse used to work because it showed what-if scenarios or made heroes fight the worst version of themselves. Now it's being used exclusively to reference older products and once you use that up, you've got nothing to rely on.
Yeah, at least Rick and Morty are honest about this. It takes away every excitement if nothing is at stake. Something R&M handled very well, especially season 7.
@@daraghokane4236 I know all that, why are you trying to lecture me? His name is Rick Prime and he used the omega device for that. I just wanted to say that R&M handles all that MV stuff much better. It's never used as a lame ass excuse. It's used to give the writer infinite freedom and creativity. Comics and the series. While DC and Marvel seem to have gone abroad.
Thank you for pointing out the inherent flaw in the Smallville cameo. I guess most people like it mainly because they’re happy that Clark is happy which I get that but he just blows off the potential death of multiple universes which by definition would include his own, you know the one Lois and his daughters live in!
Something that the Villains' Code books do that other multiverses stories should do is to have an anomaly that only exist in a single universe/timeline, in the main universe that the story takes place in their are two people who only exist in that universe. No one knows why, but they exist and that is what makes that one universe so unique to begin with.
I'd like to see a comic story where an alien or something comes to mess up the Justice League because the changes keep aaffecting on the timeline and multiverse. Becausr they're not just alternate Earths, they're alternate universes. What if by "fixing" something to save Earth in the past or whatever, they make life on another planet way worse? There are so many more story possibilities that they're never even tried to explore.
DC was like the first one's to introduce our modern, entertainment understanding of the Multiverse when Barry first met Jay in the comics. And they're making it all our problem for doing so.
I actually kinda liked the multiverse explanation in The Flash movie, but yeah they should've just used 4k enhanced archive footage. And had grant gustin and John Wesley ship
DC’s Multiverse is always something that Bugs Me. It just seems like DC cares about the Multiverse so much. Not Batman, not Superman, not the Flash… and especially not the Justice League. Because of this, they became so obsessed of trying to have less convoluted shit, that they reboot their established continuity just so they could sell new issues, rather sticking to it much longer. Marvel’s Multiverse is problematic, sure… but at least Marvel doesn’t use the multiverse as a guineapig made to reboot their comics constantly compared to what DC does. It’s really ironic, how DC rebooted their multiverse all because they felt it was getting convoluted, only to then make more convoluted dogshit, by making more multiverse events.
The only multiverse I’m ok with these days are alternative worlds and storylines that do not connect with each other at all. Like ok theirs multiple realities, we’ll even call it multiverse. But let them stay separate in their own continuities. Don’t connect them and bring them together. Just let them be their own stories for all I care. Let there be a cowboy reality, an all robot reality, gender swapped, morality swapped, furries, but let them be alone. No multiverse hoppers or connections. By all means inter dimensional stuff, pocket dimensions, but inside that universe.
@@ShockwaveFPSStudios I'm pretty sure pocket dimensions are spaces that are too small and too easily accessible to be considered a separate dimension and they are referred to as pocket spaces that are attached to our own like an actual pocket and they can also serve as a secluded ecosystem that is useful for containing life or even creating life in the pocket dimensions and you can also use them to store stuff in there like the bag from halloweentown and something similar from Harry Potter and also Franklin Richards is known for creating pocket universes before and anyone that created those pocket universes or pocket dimensions are essentially gods of those pocket realms anyway
I won’t lie for DC and marvel the multiverse has always been a huge draw for me. For dc I’d spend hours looking up all 52 earths as a kid and found characters like psycho pirate who could pull out characters who no one care about anymore fascinating. Not to mention the hours I poured into learning every single earth 3 counterpart as a kid. For marvel I was alway obsessed with the squadron supreme or the great society.
The multiverse seems like a good idea at first but the gimmick wears off quickly when you understand how limited it actually is, especially when your writers aren't that good. This goes for Marvel, DC and even standalone series like Invincible, none of them do it in a satisfactory way.
Yes, but the story was not so great. Only thing carrying it were the cameos and easter eggs. I think you can have both a good story and the fan service stuff. But it needed a bigger budget and better writing. Things the CW doesn't have.
This won't ever happen because Warner Bros rarely ever does what the fans want. And the Superman and Lois writers probably just want to focus on finishing their storylines for their final season. But I would give anything for one more multiverse crossover involving most of the DCTV shows like Gotham with David Mazouz as Batman, Lynda Carter's Wonder Woman and Birds of Prey (never watched the last two but hear me out) and especially the ones that were unfairly cancelled: Legends of Tomorrow, Stargirl, Powerless and I didn't watch it but also Swamp Thing. And I heard from the actress who played the tituar Naomi wanted to meet Superman despite being in a universe seperate from the ACTUAL Superman. Finally, I would have the crossover end by having all of these shows take place in the same universe like Crisis on Infinite Earths. Except for some shows that would contradict the timeline like Smallville and Gotham, obviously. The whole point of all these projects staying separate in its' own universe was stand out on their own, not relying on another show's popularity and messing up the timeline of other shows. But they're all over now and some characters in some universes don't exist; they might as well break reality and make them cohabitate in the same world! Their respective networks clearly don't give a shit about them. But the writers do! Seeing Lynda Carter's Wonder Woman, the Earth Prime Justice League, the Earth 2 JSA, the Titans, the Doom Patrol, Swamp Thing and Powerless retconned to be in the same world would be perfect for me! And they could also return to this universe in future projects once in a while like the DCAU! And it has to made by competent people who respect each of these shows. With better writing, direction, VFX, etc. Smallville has an animated series in the works; maybe it could start from there! And the crew making the show, mainly Michael Rosenbaum, is close with James Gunn. But I'd rather the entire story be a miniseries branded as Elseworlds as James Gunn put it instead of just a storyline on Superman and Lois.
4:40 this version of Clark always wanted to be human and wanted a normal life more than being superman. Arguably it’s a better conclusion to THIS version.
DC has had a multiverse problem since the day one or more of their writers decided to "fix" the original multiverse which wasn't broken‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️ It was actually understood by the fans, allowed the various universes to stay seperate when necessary and allowed for crossovers when needed. The Crisis On Infinite Earths" which was supposed to fix things just made them worse by creating paradoxes that caused the need for constant reboots that kept making things worse. That's why DC will always have a multiverse problem.‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️
Everyone is entitled to their opinion and the scene of smallville is pretty nice to see. DC tomorrow verse part 1 & 3 is nice aswell. Part 1 is just a story of the Flash in his perspective and the third one ties together really nice. Either way, most of y’all don’t even seem to ready comic book so… If you did, you would know the last true wide scale multiverse series for DC was DC metal which is 6 years ago. After that was Doomsday Clock then DCeased. Unfortunately I don’t really keep up with Marvel comic because it a bit cheek compared to DC but from what I seen, they also haven’t done in a while. So if you don’t like it, stop watching it to show you dislike these thing. Go support your local comic book store and grab something you actually enjoy.
I only like the idea of a multiverse when it's confined within a single episode or movie of a media (like a single arc in an anime or like Spiderverse). When they make it an overarching concept that has to constantly be considered, like in the dc comics or the universes aka MCU, DCAMU, DCEU, etc. THAT's when it becomes a problem like that is w a y too confusing and just not everything can *canonically* coexist without major plotholes. It's fine to have things happen and just not make them canon, the multiverse doesn't solve any problems it just creates them pls 😭💀 Anyway, great video as always man✊🏽
My view on Crisis on Infinite Earth trilogy DCAU ended with Batman Beyond DCAMU - Constantine ended with Apokolips War Teen Titanus Go switched Universes and died (It got so ridiculous its plausible) It was younger DCAU and DCAU post Batman Beyond Earths that died
I read that Tom Welling wants to make a sequel to Smallville, or something like that, with another writer from the show, and both of them didn't like at all the cameo where he gives up his powers for no reason.
I actually like multiverse stories, but the main problem is when the specific universe we are watching kills of characters or entire universes of others without a ending of them coming back.
Silver age had no rules in term's of law's of the universe. Wouldn't it be cool was the mindset, wouldn't it be cool if Muhammad Ali beat up superman, and it was,
@@daraghokane4236 true but the silver age was mostly a bit of fun, where rocketmen fought giant magnifying glasses, teenagers fought medicine men with aeromancy, and the king of Atlantis fought giant starfish with quick-lime. Experimentation is a good thing, but silver age crazy thrilling anarchy does not work for everything. There is a need for structure, discipline, and a certain level of earnestness. that’s part of what helped the Bronze Age. Also, I’m not budging on poor communication being a problem with comics in recent years.
The CW CoIE event needed a) more episodes: 1+2 to fully establish the stakes ending in Ollie's sacrifice, 3-5 gathering the Paragons, they lose in 6 at the end of which we hear Ollie's voice "What is this place?", 7 to embark on Ollie's mindbending journey to pick up the Spectre mantle, 8 to defeat the Anti-Monitor; b) obviously no senseless 'resurrection' in the Lazarus Pit and no visiting an Earth with Old Man Ollie; no Kevin Conroy Batman character assassination; no Ezra Miller cameo as it turned out pointless and wasn't even revisited in The Flash movie, either; c) no Ryan Choi or Kate Kane, swap them out for Black Siren and Black Lightning; d) to have our heroes face off against their respective nemeses / familiar faces in Shadow Demon form: Reverse Flash, Damien Darhk, maybe evil versions of Jefferson's daughter/s etc. e) somewhat of a bold move like OUR (Earth-1) Barry Allen and Kara sacrificing themselves, possibly even killing 1-2 Legends in the process.
It needed to have not happened. As much as I appreciate the ambition of the CW Arrowverse creators, Crisis is something that needs the budget and writing to properly pull off. And CW has neither. It needed to be a huge big screen event. Heck, even the Crisis trilogy could've been this if they went all out and got previous actors and voice actors to reprise their roles. But they didn't and it just sort of came and went. A waste.
I think the problem with when people decide to do Crisis events is that it's always done too early...and without shows for the major leaguers and a proper league show before the Multiverse blows up. For instance before Crisis we should have had the following five main shows. One for Wonder Woman- actually planned Amazon, but got scrapped because movie. One for Green Lantern- actually planned but got reworked a lot. One for Aquaman- tried various times, but went weird. One for Martian Manhunter. One properly for Batman...which can wait.
Bruh we need a vacation away from seeing the Multiverse and the only concept of how the Multiverse works well is explained in a movie called Justice League Crisis on Earth Two that movie is perfect.
I wish that dc would explore their cosmic, one universe more like they did with pre infinite crisis with storylines like our worlds at war.... Their last events have just been multiverse this, multiverse that except the GL ones and new krypton. Man, that's why I am HYPED for absolute green lantern by Al Ewing. That man is a master in world building.
The DC multiverse has been a godsend for the community's powerscalers, not so much for common fans. It just adds a lot of bloat (that's the best way I can describe it) even if there are some good stories that make use of it
that's a questionable decision. Not sure if it will work. As hugh jackman returning as wolverine post logan was questionable. Though it worked at least financially for marvel.
Used to be all about that multiverse life because of the crisis stories. As well as enjoying the idea of earth 2 existing to pay homage to the original version of our favorite heroes. Over time I began to dislike the idea of a multiverse, at least as they exist now, because they cheapen the uniqueness and integrity of all characters involved. Making them all seem like some multiversal constant that doesn't matter and can easily be replaced making them disposable or even completely changed for some "cool what if version" that only damages the public reputation of said character in the long run.
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The multiverse used to be a fun idea cause we hardly ever saw it but now any form of sci-fi or superhero project ultlizes it and it’s kinda just eh now. Instead of going “Yoooo the Multiverse”, it’s now it’s “Oh the multiverse”
Exactly this. It used to be a way to explore variations in things you know and how they would interact with each other. Now it’s a way to either reset or bring back dead charachters. And it’s become overused now not even just in DC, Marvel also has this problem probably more than DC. DC has a writer communication/ intellectual property problem that they use the multiverse to excuse.
Yeah its insane how every franchise now has a multiverse
@@weebmeister-harry -
Multiverse -
What it means…
One of the absolute laziest, misunderstood, misused and OVERUSED ideas ever created in storytelling.
Multiverse was always there, the thing is, it was used properly.
It's like how Time Travel can be fun, but if you're making Time Travel but every story is "The Timeline is going to End if you don't do something" it gets boring.
- Loki
- Everything, Everywhere, All at Once
- Dr. Who
- What If
- Russian Doll
- Theoretically even JoJo Bizarre Adventures *
- etc.
Each of these Stories did Multiverse in a very creative and fun way, where it enhances the story because of it's Multiverse.
Multiverse is in a lot of stories, the issue is DC continuously recreates Crisis on Infinite Earths, and Marvel can't tell a Story that isn't Multiverse.
* One thing that JoJo Bizarre Adventures did as a fun way to do multiverse is Diavolo's Death. Essentially, as long as Diavolo dies, it's Canon. He can get killed to Batman, and it's Canon.
@@baligong3592 also Part 7 is a reboot where antagonist gets to be cheeky with callback.
I hope James Gunn is able to straighten out the whole multiverse concept for DC, by focusing on his new Earth 1 rather than jumping around to different Earths to explore new stories. There are different ways to explore new stories on the same Earth. They can be set in different times, places and even different magical dimensions. Not everything has to be a separate universe.
Instead using a multiverse as an excuse for doing outrageous
i know he's labeling everything non dcu elseworlds.
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you’re making sense tho. 👊🏾
There certatinly is a multiverse in the new dcu, probavly i cluding the old dceu and all the elseworld content, but he's probably bot gonna tap into that for a while (crossovers). Having movies and shows set on different times is somethi g he will likely do. That's already happening with creature commandos if I'm not mistaken. And as this dcu seems to br a universe where heroes have existed for a while, you have room to explore stories in the past without if feeling like retcons (mcu)
I mean you saying he should do a multiverse by doing a multiverse? Like name a comic company that only has one world with an unchangable signle history? Also it's far to late for DC the multiverse is at least a known thing even if noone in the verse knows how it works.
I kinda feel bad for something like Invincible because they're just adapting what happened in the comics nearly 20 or so years ago and general audiences were worried that it was a result of the mulitverse craze
Especially when the Invincible comics were coming out, the multiverse was used very sparingly, both in the comic book world and outside media.
Honestly the guys who watched Invincible would’ve read the comics by now.
@@ShockwaveFPSStudiosyep im literally on issue 17 right now 😂😂
Craze? More like understanding...
The fun thing about the multiverse was that it was a way of having your cake and eating it too:
You want a Batman with character development where he marries Catwoman and sacrifices himself to save his city. Boom, universe
You want a Batman who was forever young and kept having endless adventures. Boom, universe.
Sometimes they would cross over and it would be a nice little treat. Now it's just exhausting.
Um how is every story being connected exhausting but Golden age Superman being the only SuperHero universe to ever exsit not?
I want Batman when he marry Barbara Gordon bcs she realized they love each other plus grayson's a twink *BOOM,UNIVERSE!* i also want a Superman who marry Supergirl bcs they love each other n Kryptonian allowed incestous relationship plus they're the last of their kind *BOOM,UNIVERSE!* WHO'S WITH ME✋🏻✋🏻✋🏻✋🏻🙋🏼♂️🙋🏼♂️🙋🏼♂️🙋🏼♂️🧑🏻🍳
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I’m tired of multiverse stuff but what im more tired of in DC is crisis there’s no reason to have a “crisis” event every decade let it rest
Especially if they're not gonna get it right. Crisis on two earths is better than the entire Crisis trilogy. They've completely lost their touch and it shows.
I’m not tired of Multiverse… I’m just tired of Bad Multiverse Stuff.
This! This is why I stopped reading DC! I’m sick and tired of the Multiverse.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp THIS PART^^^ Earth Two Mirror Matches of characters have always been more interesting in stories they’re in than multiverse versions of characters in crisis events. The only crisis event I actually liked reading was Infinite Crisis and that’s because that’s the story that got me into comics in general
u know who else has a multiverse problem? my mom
Bud thinks he’s Muscle Man💀
LET EM KNOW MUSCLE MAN
Woooooooaaaah
So big one universe can't hold her 😂
Your multiverse of madness indeed has a multiverse problem
I am not tired of the concept of a multiverse its fun to see different versions of characters and how their back stories are different. It will never stop being fun like Time Travel.
Time travel in movies can iffy though. Like in Endgame it was stupid.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp How? I got it. When you go back in time you don't really change the past you create a new timeline that branches off the old timeline.
The problem comes when, instead of fleshing out a new universe seperately, the writers have a dozen different universes interact. Acknowledging the multiverse is ironically one of the least interesting ways to use a multiverse.
@icecreamhero2375 OK, but using time travel when there were plenty of ways to get the stones is stupid. And the fact that they did a 5 year time skip makes it feel like the situation wasn't as urgent. People had moved on. They developed systems. Tony retired. Hulk became a celebrity. Yeah, people were sad, but things weren't in ruin. It wasn't the end of the world. That was 5 years ago. The movie never made it feel like they absolutely needed time travel. I mean even during the time heist planning they were sitting laying down, and eating take out. It never made sense. It's just a very lazy to fix things, but it never felt like the writers really thought it through.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp Maybe it took 5 years to build the machine. Rome wasn't built in a day.
Crisis on Earth X crossover worked, I loved it, it's my favorite thing to come out of the Arrowverse
Now as for the multiverse I don’t think it’s a bad concept far from it, the problem with the multiverse as a whole it’s a mess especially with dc comics using the multiverse to many times is super confusing and makes my head hurt in my opinion.
@@TevyaSmolka Maybe they should just not mention the old universe after having a reboot. Just let the fans of the old keep their memories separate and the publisher moves on, pandering to the next generation with new books!
@@kimeraclan3135 fair enough.
@@kimeraclan3135Yeah that makes sense
I'd say the worst part about the multiverse is how it is used to bastardize or kill the universes we love like what the arrowverse did to Smallville or what the tommorrowverse did to the DCAU.
@@Bred-vz2py there's a note in the Tomorrowverse though.
The only actual Cartoon Universe it for sure eradicated was the 2003 Teen Titans...unless of course it's later revealed that 2003 has a hypertimeline split about how Go and Go03 (the Tie-ins from that era were called Go! as well and functions as a sort of season 6 in some cases using some options like continuing a plot about Raven, giving a seasonal Starfire special, classic Titan special with Donna, the Grand Fab 5 special, showing Titans Going Global, Terra special.), but for now no Darkseid exists in the Go03! universe.
Remember the Earth-12 (Timm) and Earth-508 (Super Friends) like Earth-2003 lacked a Darkseid. Those aren't the actual Earths aside from Earth-2003...as Teen Titans 2003 never had a Darkseid. In the MAWS universe Earth-508 is actually the Timmverse where Darkseid exists ans Earth-50 is where Super Friends with a Darkseid exists. In the Tomorrowverse LSPS and Galactic Guardians never happened on the Super Friends universe and the events of "Father's Day", "Legacy" and any other episodes of JL and JLU involving Darkseid and the forces of Apokalips and New Genesis never happened...I would also presume that in the Tomorrowverse version of JL and JLU that the Timmverse Wonder Woman actually had consistent Perez/Rucka portrayal from the moment she left the island which in an attempt to divert several of those events in S:TAS would be her planned guest-star appearance that got scrapped in 1999 and the initial finale of Superman: TAS with the League forming being "Secret Origins" episode there...seeing as she got done dirty on the main Timm timeline prior to unlimited until retcons occur the next time main comic-Barry runs.
Me personally. I like the multiverse and I love getting new versions of my favorite characters. HOWEVER, I prefer well written multiverse stories, not half baked concepts that use alternate realities as a quick cash grab. The Tomorrowverse being a prime example.
I think Clark in Smallville gets his super powers back eventually on account of there's a scene where one of the kids at Clark school has the ability to when he touches somebody he sees how they're going to die and when he touches Clark he sees a Superman cape flying to the end of the universe
Tbf to Infinite Crisis. The multiverse came back almost instantaneously after Infinite Crisis, as things like DC’s Elseworlds and different timelines and possibilities was quickly established before even the 90s hit. Not to mention how some writers didn’t even really know that the multiverse rebooted, causing weird shit like the Legion of Superheroes and Superboy (who’s from Pre-Crisis Earth-1) just showed up in early issues of Post-Crisis Superman
Comics continuity is a f*cking mess, and it’s always been a f*cking mess
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Lmao love that Joker profile pic 😂
@@LuarIbriqi-qf4fh my favorite TNBA episode😂
I had the idea for a Flash story where Reverse Flash trains Captain Boomerang and Captain Cold on how to be petty just like him so that they can bully Barry Allen.
Although, I’m pretty sure a story like that already exists
That would be the funniest shit ever
Mirror master gives Barry body issues by constantly making him look fat or have spots in the mirror. That is scary as I trust the mirror to tell me how I look more then anybody else
I had an idea for Flashpoint movie taking place after Batman v. Superman. Taking a page out of Marvel's Ruins story, Flash would begin to notice how dark everything is in the Snyderverse, especially after Superman died. Things feel off, so he decides to try to breathe hope and light into it by changing the past. Starting with saving his mom. Changing the darkest day of his life, and turning it into something positive. Then he winds up on another Earth. And has to find a way back.
Why is this guy so relatable ?😂😂😂😂
They've had a multiverse problem since Barry met Jay. The multiverse is fun but it has always been a band-aid on a bigger problem, which is DC's inability to make concrete decisions on the continuity and lore of the world and it's characters and stick to it. They introduced it as way to explain the changes in certain characters from the Golden Age to The Silver Age. But then they went crazy with the concept, it got convoluted and they had to get rid of it. They brought it back to one earth but it still didn't make complete sense so they been bringing the multiverse back and getting rid of it or changing it in some way over and over again since the original crisis in 1985. We're at the point now where nothing matters and everything feels like a one off till they change the lore again.
i think that the biggest issue with the DC and marvel multiverses is the over-explaining of the multiverses. at its best, multiverses are a hand-wave to explain continuity errors between runs by different authors. it gives artists the creative legroom they need to tell a cohesive story. and a lot of the best stories are the ones that take the most creative liberties with continuity.
trying to make every run of every comic completely synchronistic with each other across 9 decades is a fool's errand and they need to let it go.
A friend suggested this, but he said have one universe and have main heroes be on the shelf for while. New characters.
So like the Arrowverse?
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lpya in that earth flash and green arrow are the main hero's. In earth 2 they have superman and supergirl/ batman
They honestly should jus let the Batman/Superman/Green Arrow era of characters retire and let the Teen Titans era be the leads, and then the Young Justice era and Titans rebirth era as the younger league members. And then create whole new characters for Titans/Young Justice
@daraghokane4236 i think these characters belong on the big screen. You need the budget and writing to pull it off and the CW didn't have either. I've been wanting to see a definitive version of the DC cinematic universe. It's pretty clear we're never going to get that.
What's sad about the Multiverse concept is that the Multiverse can be utilised as a great narrative plot line in both DC and Marvel and even separate media such as Into The Spider-Verse, Spider-Man: No Way Home, Justice League: Crisis on Two Earths, or even Everything Everywhere All At Once. The reason the concept has become so stale and disliked is because these franchises don't use the concept to the fullest potential and use it to exploit nostalgia of their audience instead of establishing new universes with new ideas and reinventions that offer narrative exploration. Luckily there are some good films/shows utilising the idea well like No Way Home, Into the Spider-Verse movies etc... and allow their characters to grow but both Marvel and DC need to desperately learn how to use the concept of a Multiverse tastefully without pumping out so much content of the multiverse to the point that it feels like too much not to mention exploiting nostalgia to the point that it feels patronising as shown with how horrible The Flash (2023) was
Btw No way home was overrated. Can you believe mighty Dr.Strange couldn't focus while he was doing spell due to Peter Parker's wishes.😂😂😂
I replied someone's comment here in comment section, you can just find it.
we're on the same page bud. I'm just glad more people have better understanding on comics vs adaptation.
MCU's multiverse have a clear goal. DC's multiverse stories if done right in live action (DCEU/DCAU/DCTV) could actually be one of the best multiverse superhero films (not like Super and Lois' multiverse and that god awful Flash movie) and it just sucks coz all they do is quantity over quality
If DC just slows down for a bit, maybe they could've cooked better. (in James Gunn I trust)
@@SniffersCreepers You know they are the same multiverse becuase of the cross overs right?
The Multiverse concept can be good depending on how it’s used. I mean, the Ultraman franchise (Japanese franchise, not Earth-3 Superman) has had a multiverse since the 90s and just uses it to give each iteration a fresh start. And Everything Everywhere All at Once used it to tell a story about the possibilities within a human life. The problem is Marvel and DC usually use it to revisit other iterations of heroes or as a place to stash acquired IP (like Quality, Fawcett and Charlton heroes).
I remember in one of the Japanese Ultraman movies a Ultra actually escapes the universe and sees the multiverse, and its honestly my favorite representation of the multiverse in live action.
What hiow is that a problem exactly? Like lego has a multiverse to allow differnt theme and your play to exsit in one big Lego multiverse.
7:30 to be fair time travel in dc is always inconsistent
Flash goes back in time to stop his moms death suddenly a new hellish world is made
But booster gold gets to fuck around in the realitive past and
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@@memevondank1197 it's because the way they explain it that doesn't make sense and I even came up with my own definition of alternate timelines anyway that is much more digestible and understandable then what the writers can make
Alternate Timeline:
- An alternate timeline refers to a divergent path or sequence of events that branches off from the main timeline at a specific point. This concept is commonly used in time travel stories, where characters travel to the past and inadvertently change history, creating a new timeline with different outcomes.In this context, the alternate timeline represents a different series of events that coexist alongside the original timeline.and the symbolism behind it is the river or the stream of time that exist within every separate universes because the larger stream represents the original or main timeline and all of the smaller streams that split off from the main stream are alternate timelines this can happen if a time traveler goes back up the stream or back in time to change the direction of the stream it but instead of changing the main stream like if you were to kill your parents in the past or giving knowledge about the future to your past self you would still exist in the main timeline then the only thing you did is created a new stream or a new timeline that exist along side with the main or original timeline with different outcomes like you never being born in that timeline or your telling your past self to not make the same mistake as your main time self because regardless of whether you're a good or a bad person you made that future a reality and one more thing every alternate timeline you make is still part of the same universe unlike parallel or alternate universes that have there own river or there own stream of time that are disconnected from the main universe like you can have multiple timelines in one universe but you can't have multiple timelines in multiple universes as time travel only affects one universe as other universes are unaffected by any changes in time as it is limited to one universe and the only way you can change the timeline in another universe is to be in that universe in the first place but in certain universes the river or stream can or cannot have limits of how many times you split the timeline finitely or infinitely and you can travel to these alternate timelines after you establish a connection with that alternate timeline so that you don't end up in the wrong one by mistake and you can travel back and forward in these connected alternate timelines without splitting them again the next time you come back there and the side effects of splitting the timeline will effect on how the user experiences this new timelines because only the time traveler remembers the original timeline where as everyone else round you don't even experience the split of the timeline you just made like the environment or the setting of that timeline being different than the one you experience previously or your family friends and even your lovers don't even know you as if you were to tell them who you really are they will just shrug it off as if you are crazy and if you want to remove the alternate timeline then have a temporal being cut off the connection between the original timeline and the alternate timeline then that alternate doesn't exist anymore because without that connection of the original timeline to these alternate timelines they will cease to exist or if you can cut the timelines without destroying them then they will become pocket timelines that is contain within a book or a scroll by the time collectors who's purpose is just to collecting alternate timelines out of curiosity or as a hobby and as preservers to help keep the river or stream protected
Booster's time traveling is a fixed point. Barry's is more of a real Thawne in his side. Pre-Crisis he suffered no effects for this. Wally had the issues because he was 10.
The easiest and most consistent way to do this would be to look at the Undertale Au community (trust). A Multiverse has an infinite amount of realities/alternating universes. The Multiverse being "destroyed" makes zero sense because attempting to destroy something that will infinitely have an alternate timeline regardless of what you do is ultimately pointless, you have Fandom made characters like Error Sans who's entire thing is destroying universes with the goal that he'll get rid of them all (because he thinks of them as glitches or parasites), but his "mission" is ultimately pointless because they will always exist, and he is technically creating more realities in which were messed up by his meddling. This might not be the best example I could give, but it's what I thought of while watching the video. You could probably relate it to Batman's mission of trying to make the world a better place than when he was born into it, as you cannot destroy the infinite ever growing possibility of someone wanting to follow "criminal" urges, or simply put; human nature. But he does what he does because he's driven to, he just can't get rid of something fundamental about any sentient being. Just like you can't get rid of the fundamental nature of infinite alternate timelines, which is why I typically don't get into anything involving them because they always wanna try and get rid of it or make it into a one-note thing for whatever reason. Like youll have a character like Doctor Strange talking about how there's mainly one possibility across a few million universes despite alternate universes having an infinite amount of those.
Sorry for the long ass comment I hope this made any kinda sense. 🐴🐴
My opinion ... ? It is far TOO true to "Smallville" that Clark would give up his powers. I found "Smallville" to be frustrating because (after two seasons anyway) it wasn't about Clark growing into his powers so much as finding excuses to not use his powers, except to stop the threat of the week. Once those threats of the week stopped appearing, yeah, I can see him quitting the hero biz.
So I guess I'm complaining about "Smallville" more than I am about Clark's portrayal here.
I am so glad the doom patrol never had a multiverse event happen in it, will make it age much better
Multiverse can be fun, I just wish they used it creatively or sparingly. It feels like any Multiverse Story is just "World Ending Threat" but upscaled to many Worlds.
Everything, Everywhere, All at Once, will remain as the best multiverse story to me, and that's not even a DC/Marvel movie.
Marvel is waaaay more obsessed with the Multiverse
Yeah, but no one talks about Marvel´s multiverse problem, but sure, DC is the problem... sure, Jim
True, especially after into and beyond the spiderverse.
@@JCardo2502No really.
Agreed.
I love marvel multiverse it is better than DC multiverse
I will never understand how Keaton's Batman knows anything about how time travel works. There is no reason he would know that. I am 1000 percent sure that diologe was written either for John Wesley Shipp's or Grant Gustin's Flash and they just didn't want another Flash in the movie because they knew people would compare them to Miller's Flash and he wouldn't hold up. It would have made more sense to use another version of Miller's Flash to explain that stuff, ideally the one we saw from previous movies from that dark future but they didn't want to do that because they wanted to distance themselves from those movies too.
Multiverse is a great concept when used correctly and have established rules. Don't just do it to hop on the train and try to wing it. Ahem MCU. I like DC when they do the Multiverse besides the Tomorrowverse ( fan of the Tomorrowverse but declined after Legion). Overall it really shouldn't be that hard. Build up your universe then drop little nuggets of the wider universe then later do a small or big event. Ahem Crisis on Two Earth's and God's and Monsters were very good Multiverse stories.
Agree
It's not that they could not find the time to use Grant Gustin....
They made the active choice NOT to use him because they were affraid he would steal the spotlight from Ezra Miller.
They did the Same with Superman in Supergirl Season 1.
Heck.... Marvel did the same with Dr Strange in Wandavision by removing Dr Strange from appearing at the end of the season to lead into Dr Strange 2.
Wasn't Grant pretty much done with being Flash himself anyway? That said...his and JWS cameo's should have been somewhere for universes if possible...and even had a Lynda Carter cameo somewhere too...oh right...they couldn't be bothered to properly do Lynda and Gal...the only big 3 they got right this time and then comic accurately messed it up.
Actually, there are multiple reasons Clark never appeared in Supergirl season one. One of which was an embargo that forbade Superman from appearing on TV because of Justice League being in development when the show started.
In my opinion the DC multiverse should be used to tell Elseworld stories and fun What if story such as lightning hitting Barry Allen gives still force based abilities or Superman being sent to a battlefield planet akin to both battle arena and mad max while having a k type star.
Don't even mention that whole "Speed/Strength/Still/Sage Force" crap, worst thing that ever happened to the Flash.
Unrelated: Doom Patrol was the best live action TV show hands down.
They also have a consistent reboot problem
We really need to go back to the olden days. Drop the intergalactic events. Keep it simple.
Hear me out: just hear me out
Maybe….just maybe the actual problem
And I know this is an insane concept:
Maybe the problem is these properties were not executed or written well
Everything Everywhere All At Once has 0 build up. Its a standalone film. It presents the multiverse better than most projects we have ever seen
Arrowverse has previous multiverse crossovers that were infinitely better than the Crisis. Mainly the one where they went to Earth-2 to try & figure something out with Zoom. It was better handling of the multiverse.
The Smallville cameo in Crisis is great. You should finish Smallville but that version of Clark giving up everything for his family makes sense especially if we go with season 11 stuff where there are other heroes to defend Smallville
In one universe, M Enterprises is ranting about how multiverses are underused.
DC originated the concept of multiverse in fiction, i can't blame them for the amount of crisis events they've had cause times change along with writers and readers so it's no suprise that newer writers would try to explore new ideas or expand their cosmology or whatever.....i don't mind if marvel and dc do multiverse shit as long as it's used to form a good story but my problem is how everyone, LITERALLY everyone is trying to include the concept of multiverse into their stories and now it's just annoying
That makes sense.
That will be the Achilles heel of the new DCU, especially now that they plan to combine animation, live action and series, even games
But hey, Batman seems strong enough to sustain Warner for a few more years.
The character Batman you mean or like making movies about him?
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp The character in general: they give him its own live action, its own series and even its own universes at times, basically working as DC's backup plan and gold mine and the only thing that could possibly survive the DCU if it flops
Can we use the muiltiverse as it should be. A playground to play with ideas and not some big event. What if is about the only way i can swallow this.
? what that is stupid how are you the atoritty of a cincpyt half of scitests think isn't a thing?
An issue I have with the multiverse is that they take things like shows movie etc and instead of those being treated as adaptations of the source material they’re turned into actual alternate universes
I remember earth 666, that's one of the ones where Damian Wayne becomes Batman
I think the Crisis on Infinite Earth's trilogy was wasted potential. It should've felt like an event. We're at a point where we are losing many actors and voice actors. This was Kevin Conroy's last performance of Batman ever, and he's not even part of the main cast. If they were gonna do it, then they should've gone all out. Instead it just kind of fizzled. I can't believe Teen Titans Go vs Teen Titans did a better job with the concept of the multiverse than an entire Crisis trilogy. It feels like they've just wasted the concept over and over again. Only times they did it properly were when it's much more limited in scale like Justice Lords, Crisis on two Earth's, or even Teen Titans Go vs Teen Titans. I think I'm just tired of the multiverse because they never do it justice, or do something interesting with it. I'd rather they not do it if they're going to half take a lazy approach.
I can’t believe the CW Crisis On Infinite Earths was better the Animated one. The CW of all networks.
Same for Marvel, but no one ever talks about Marvel when it comes to the multiverse for some reason...
That's because Marvel are just better, duh
@@Claude203 nice bait you got there
Marvel’s multiverse is better than
Because Marvel was the only one who did it decently, besides, Marvel doesn't have too many contained works like DC does
Yeah like all spiderverse nonsense after into the spider verse
My favorite time with the Multiverse was during DC’s Silver-Bronze Age. Adventures with The Justice Society (Earth-2), The Freedom Fighters (Earth-X), and The Fawcett Comics heroes (Earth-S).
Crisis On Infinite Earths took all of the fun out of it.
WB: "We're going to have the Multiverse."
Fans: "CW characters could appear in the movies?"
WB: "Hell no! We don't want TV actors in our precious movies."
Said movies then proceed to be of less quality than the worst seasons of each arrowverse show making it even better.
I’m getting a wee bit exhausted from multiverses. Like is it too hard to just stick with a universe for a while, a long while
I liked the Smallville show, but I was mad when they made Superman "give up his powers" I don't see how that is even possible.
Couldn’t agree more. I believe that they should sparingly in universe and super hero movies, animation, games and etc. But I am more optimistic forJames Gunn DC universe in that regard.
honestly this is basically what ive been saying/thinking about the multiverse as a whole, its a cool concept on its own but its been used so many damn times that it really has lost all meaning and kinda serves to kill a lot of potential stakes with media now because like... why bother getting invested in this one character if there are almost infinite versions of that same character?
id like to see a dc cinematic universe that actually like, TRIES to be one consistent storyline, and doesnt continually try and go "oh look heres a billion supermans isnt that really cool guys"
Um you know your saying Super mans first line should have been his oh only apernces right? Some how I doudt those are the ones you grew up with or are any pof your favooites.
@@GreenBlueWalkthrough no…? I don’t understand how you came to that conclusion, but that is FAR from what I was saying
kinda crazy that flash s2 did the multiverse better in 2015 than marvel has with 2 whole phases
And people still thought the flash is a trash show because of recency bias
Yeah, it's better when it's a much more limited concept like Justice Lords or Crisis on Two Earths.
It is trash. Tf you mean "recency bias"
@FadillaJames only Season 1 is good, it starts to fall off at Season 2 and Season 3.
And there’s also the SpiderVerse movies which handled the Multiverse better then Marvel’s other Multiversal films.
Spider-man: work!
I have exact set of blueprints to make the multiverse work whether it’s DC, Marvel, or something else entirely, and to see so many writers continuously fuck up the concept and make people jaded towards it annoys me to no end. Like nigga, I HAVE THE ANSWER, and there’s no way I can figure it out but these professional writers can’t!
What’s the answer
Say what you will about this animated Crisis on Infinite Earths Trilogy, but I honestly think that wiped out EVERYTHING.
From the DCEU, Arrowverse, DCAMU/Tomorrowverse, Batman: Arkham-verse, and the multiverses they all shared.
I think that Trilogy was the true launch pad for the DCU.
I'm gonna be honest. Then multiverse in terms of the comics. Prior to the 1980s. Dc comics was filled with 50 years worth of continuity issues to the point of where no one knew were to start as result of organizing the main dc multiverse earlier. Then after infinite crisis and zero hour. Final crisis(not even a final crisis). They kept making multiversal crisis after crisis until the recent one dark crisis. Now they uses crisis to make money quickly. At this point crisis events should be special events that are used tell great stories once a decade or so. Take long breaks so the readers can rest.
The CW arrowverse at least did a better job with setting crisis on infinite earths before it came out on the CW arrowverse. At least Oliver Queen's death had more weight to it when he died compared to what we got in the tomorrowverse.
The tomorrowverse suffered from to much executive medaling & some bad creative Decisions. It had a lot potential but was ultimately rushed and crisis on infinite was just mostly eye candy rather than a good story. Supergirl was only 4 movies. They didn't even do their homework on the dcau adjacent characters. Only praise I'll is for Kevin Conroy & mark hamill's final preference as batman(tomorrowverse earth 12) and joker (tomorrowverse earth 12).
The problem with connecting the older DC continuities. These old animated tv series and tv series have their own set of rules for the universe & their own multiverses. Also dc has changed creative teams over the years. Super friends & dc superhero girls 2015. Dcau all of them had their own version of Darkseid. All of these shows and movies have own versions of everything. The dcau has it's own Anti-Monitor as seen justice league unlimited issue 32. The tomorrowverse and the cw arrowverse have their own separate multiverse from the main dc multiverse much like the mcu's version of the marvel multiverse separate from the main marvel multiverse.
There us a reason why dcau never explored it's own separate multiverse too much separate from the tomorrowverse until the justice league infinity comics that came out back in 2021. Because the dcau creative team understood multiverse concept is very confusing especially to the general audience.
Attempting to connect old older continuities is just their way of attempting to bank off the older generation of who are fans of older dc continuities. The cw and other live action dc shows connect to the dceu is because it's wb just attempting to copy marvel studios because they have been trying to bank off their successes rather than attempting to find their own success.
DC multiverse prior of Crisis on Infinite Earths was marketed every summer of the original Justice League of America to boost sales as a multi part Crisis event. DC bought all of the minor comic companies and brought all their heroes to DC such as Captain Marvel now known as Shazam. By the 80's DC was in major trouble cause readers flocked over to Marvel and they needed to clean house.
People are starting to notice the big glaring problem of the Multiverse: If there are infinite alternate versions of these characters, why should I care? Why not just ignore this because it won't matter by the next reset? The Multiverse used to work because it showed what-if scenarios or made heroes fight the worst version of themselves. Now it's being used exclusively to reference older products and once you use that up, you've got nothing to rely on.
Yeah, at least Rick and Morty are honest about this.
It takes away every excitement if nothing is at stake.
Something R&M handled very well, especially season 7.
@@andylaw3222there family dies so they jump to a new earth were they didn't. Everyone is replaceable to Rick because he can replace them
@@daraghokane4236 Everyone except Diane
@@andylaw3222she died in every universe so he couldn't replace her. Evil Rick had a reality bomb that removes you from ever universe
@@daraghokane4236 I know all that, why are you trying to lecture me?
His name is Rick Prime and he used the omega device for that.
I just wanted to say that R&M handles all that MV stuff much better.
It's never used as a lame ass excuse. It's used to give the writer infinite freedom and creativity. Comics and the series.
While DC and Marvel seem to have gone abroad.
I used to think multiveres were cool ideas. But now its so played out.
Thank you for pointing out the inherent flaw in the Smallville cameo. I guess most people like it mainly because they’re happy that Clark is happy which I get that but he just blows off the potential death of multiple universes which by definition would include his own, you know the one Lois and his daughters live in!
Something that the Villains' Code books do that other multiverses stories should do is to have an anomaly that only exist in a single universe/timeline, in the main universe that the story takes place in their are two people who only exist in that universe. No one knows why, but they exist and that is what makes that one universe so unique to begin with.
Golden age characters like the original Flash and Green Lantern only existed on Earth 2
I'd like to see a comic story where an alien or something comes to mess up the Justice League because the changes keep aaffecting on the timeline and multiverse. Becausr they're not just alternate Earths, they're alternate universes. What if by "fixing" something to save Earth in the past or whatever, they make life on another planet way worse? There are so many more story possibilities that they're never even tried to explore.
DC was like the first one's to introduce our modern, entertainment understanding of the Multiverse when Barry first met Jay in the comics. And they're making it all our problem for doing so.
I do feel like on the Smallville Earth Clark only gave up his powers because he knew Conner would be able to take over as Superman for him.
I actually kinda liked the multiverse explanation in The Flash movie, but yeah they should've just used 4k enhanced archive footage. And had grant gustin and John Wesley ship
DC’s Multiverse is always something that Bugs Me. It just seems like DC cares about the Multiverse so much. Not Batman, not Superman, not the Flash… and especially not the Justice League. Because of this, they became so obsessed of trying to have less convoluted shit, that they reboot their established continuity just so they could sell new issues, rather sticking to it much longer.
Marvel’s Multiverse is problematic, sure… but at least Marvel doesn’t use the multiverse as a guineapig made to reboot their comics constantly compared to what DC does. It’s really ironic, how DC rebooted their multiverse all because they felt it was getting convoluted, only to then make more convoluted dogshit, by making more multiverse events.
The only multiverse I’m ok with these days are alternative worlds and storylines that do not connect with each other at all. Like ok theirs multiple realities, we’ll even call it multiverse. But let them stay separate in their own continuities. Don’t connect them and bring them together. Just let them be their own stories for all I care. Let there be a cowboy reality, an all robot reality, gender swapped, morality swapped, furries, but let them be alone. No multiverse hoppers or connections. By all means inter dimensional stuff, pocket dimensions, but inside that universe.
Oh you mean as separate bubbles that are not part of the main universe
It’s called elseworld
@@JustinJulian-00 pretty much, and just let readers decides which are ok and which suck.
( Note that I said ok)
Pocket Dimensions, and Dimensions are totally different things.
@@ShockwaveFPSStudios I'm pretty sure pocket dimensions are spaces that are too small and too easily accessible to be considered a separate dimension and they are referred to as pocket spaces that are attached to our own like an actual pocket and they can also serve as a secluded ecosystem that is useful for containing life or even creating life in the pocket dimensions and you can also use them to store stuff in there like the bag from halloweentown and something similar from Harry Potter and also Franklin Richards is known for creating pocket universes before and anyone that created those pocket universes or pocket dimensions are essentially gods of those pocket realms anyway
I won’t lie for DC and marvel the multiverse has always been a huge draw for me.
For dc I’d spend hours looking up all 52 earths as a kid and found characters like psycho pirate who could pull out characters who no one care about anymore fascinating. Not to mention the hours I poured into learning every single earth 3 counterpart as a kid.
For marvel I was alway obsessed with the squadron supreme or the great society.
i literally just rewatched this today, oh my word thanks, this is why i subbed i love you browntable. AND I WATCHED THIS ON OPERA GX
13:26 I wish that was animated
The multiverse seems like a good idea at first but the gimmick wears off quickly when you understand how limited it actually is, especially when your writers aren't that good.
This goes for Marvel, DC and even standalone series like Invincible, none of them do it in a satisfactory way.
And what exactly is a satisfactory way to you. Because invincible did it quite well and proceeded to close their multiverse later into the series
It sucks since on theory I can really enjoy multiverse stories. However, they have just reduced the concept to cameos and member berries
If you're going to have multiple universes, then they need to have substance to them.
Personally I think there adaptation of crisis on infinite earths was really good and ten times better then the tomorrowverse which failed badly.
Yes, but the story was not so great. Only thing carrying it were the cameos and easter eggs. I think you can have both a good story and the fan service stuff. But it needed a bigger budget and better writing. Things the CW doesn't have.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp fair enough
Yeah, and the Arrowverse has its problems, the Crisis on Infinite Earths event at least respected DC’s Previous Adaptations… Most of them.
The noodle analogy would’ve worked better if he snapped a noodle in half, saying that when you break a noodle it doesn’t become cooked it splits.
lucifer was a 🔥 show mostly non dc fans watched it though
This won't ever happen because Warner Bros rarely ever does what the fans want. And the Superman and Lois writers probably just want to focus on finishing their storylines for their final season. But I would give anything for one more multiverse crossover involving most of the DCTV shows like Gotham with David Mazouz as Batman, Lynda Carter's Wonder Woman and Birds of Prey (never watched the last two but hear me out) and especially the ones that were unfairly cancelled: Legends of Tomorrow, Stargirl, Powerless and I didn't watch it but also Swamp Thing. And I heard from the actress who played the tituar Naomi wanted to meet Superman despite being in a universe seperate from the ACTUAL Superman.
Finally, I would have the crossover end by having all of these shows take place in the same universe like Crisis on Infinite Earths. Except for some shows that would contradict the timeline like Smallville and Gotham, obviously. The whole point of all these projects staying separate in its' own universe was stand out on their own, not relying on another show's popularity and messing up the timeline of other shows. But they're all over now and some characters in some universes don't exist; they might as well break reality and make them cohabitate in the same world!
Their respective networks clearly don't give a shit about them. But the writers do! Seeing Lynda Carter's Wonder Woman, the Earth Prime Justice League, the Earth 2 JSA, the Titans, the Doom Patrol, Swamp Thing and Powerless retconned to be in the same world would be perfect for me! And they could also return to this universe in future projects once in a while like the DCAU! And it has to made by competent people who respect each of these shows. With better writing, direction, VFX, etc. Smallville has an animated series in the works; maybe it could start from there! And the crew making the show, mainly Michael Rosenbaum, is close with James Gunn. But I'd rather the entire story be a miniseries branded as Elseworlds as James Gunn put it instead of just a storyline on Superman and Lois.
That would probably be an interesting story.
Wouldn't Barry's running around the multiverse so much retroactively cause Gotham to be linked to Smallville? I think that could happen.
4:40 this version of Clark always wanted to be human and wanted a normal life more than being superman. Arguably it’s a better conclusion to THIS version.
DC has had a multiverse problem since the day one or more of their writers decided to "fix" the original multiverse which wasn't broken‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️ It was actually understood by the fans, allowed the various universes to stay seperate when necessary and allowed for crossovers when needed. The Crisis On Infinite Earths" which was supposed to fix things just made them worse by creating paradoxes that caused the need for constant reboots that kept making things worse.
That's why DC will always have a multiverse problem.‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️
You have a point. Multiverse stories should not be something done casually. Ripping holes throughout space and time should come at a high cost.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion and the scene of smallville is pretty nice to see. DC tomorrow verse part 1 & 3 is nice aswell. Part 1 is just a story of the Flash in his perspective and the third one ties together really nice. Either way, most of y’all don’t even seem to ready comic book so… If you did, you would know the last true wide scale multiverse series for DC was DC metal which is 6 years ago. After that was Doomsday Clock then DCeased. Unfortunately I don’t really keep up with Marvel comic because it a bit cheek compared to DC but from what I seen, they also haven’t done in a while. So if you don’t like it, stop watching it to show you dislike these thing. Go support your local comic book store and grab something you actually enjoy.
The fact that you’re always making DC have little or unknown characters come to the big screen is crazy 😂
I only like the idea of a multiverse when it's confined within a single episode or movie of a media (like a single arc in an anime or like Spiderverse). When they make it an overarching concept that has to constantly be considered, like in the dc comics or the universes aka MCU, DCAMU, DCEU, etc. THAT's when it becomes a problem like that is w a y too confusing and just not everything can *canonically* coexist without major plotholes. It's fine to have things happen and just not make them canon, the multiverse doesn't solve any problems it just creates them pls 😭💀 Anyway, great video as always man✊🏽
My view on Crisis on Infinite Earth trilogy
DCAU ended with Batman Beyond
DCAMU - Constantine ended with Apokolips War
Teen Titanus Go switched Universes and died (It got so ridiculous its plausible)
It was younger DCAU and DCAU post Batman Beyond Earths that died
I read that Tom Welling wants to make a sequel to Smallville, or something like that, with another writer from the show, and both of them didn't like at all the cameo where he gives up his powers for no reason.
I actually like multiverse stories, but the main problem is when the specific universe we are watching kills of characters or entire universes of others without a ending of them coming back.
13:38 I’d want an animated rebirth adaptation
I blame the writers lacking discipline and communication.
You should not do this stuff if you aren’t willing to follow rules.
I blame Jordan
@@TwistedLullabies who?
Silver age had no rules in term's of law's of the universe. Wouldn't it be cool was the mindset, wouldn't it be cool if Muhammad Ali beat up superman, and it was,
@@daraghokane4236 true but the silver age was mostly a bit of fun, where rocketmen fought giant magnifying glasses, teenagers fought medicine men with aeromancy, and the king of Atlantis fought giant starfish with quick-lime.
Experimentation is a good thing, but silver age crazy thrilling anarchy does not work for everything. There is a need for structure, discipline, and a certain level of earnestness. that’s part of what helped the Bronze Age.
Also, I’m not budging on poor communication being a problem with comics in recent years.
@@daraghokane4236That was the Bronze Age
A whole universe exists yet only these humans are the only people in that universe affected by it?
The CW CoIE event needed
a) more episodes: 1+2 to fully establish the stakes ending in Ollie's sacrifice, 3-5 gathering the Paragons, they lose in 6 at the end of which we hear Ollie's voice "What is this place?", 7 to embark on Ollie's mindbending journey to pick up the Spectre mantle, 8 to defeat the Anti-Monitor;
b) obviously no senseless 'resurrection' in the Lazarus Pit and no visiting an Earth with Old Man Ollie; no Kevin Conroy Batman character assassination; no Ezra Miller cameo as it turned out pointless and wasn't even revisited in The Flash movie, either;
c) no Ryan Choi or Kate Kane, swap them out for Black Siren and Black Lightning;
d) to have our heroes face off against their respective nemeses / familiar faces in Shadow Demon form: Reverse Flash, Damien Darhk, maybe evil versions of Jefferson's daughter/s etc.
e) somewhat of a bold move like OUR (Earth-1) Barry Allen and Kara sacrificing themselves, possibly even killing 1-2 Legends in the process.
It needed to have not happened. As much as I appreciate the ambition of the CW Arrowverse creators, Crisis is something that needs the budget and writing to properly pull off. And CW has neither. It needed to be a huge big screen event. Heck, even the Crisis trilogy could've been this if they went all out and got previous actors and voice actors to reprise their roles. But they didn't and it just sort of came and went. A waste.
That last one could’ve ended the Flash & Supergirl shows pretty early.
I think the problem with when people decide to do Crisis events is that it's always done too early...and without shows for the major leaguers and a proper league show before the Multiverse blows up.
For instance before Crisis we should have had the following five main shows.
One for Wonder Woman- actually planned Amazon, but got scrapped because movie.
One for Green Lantern- actually planned but got reworked a lot.
One for Aquaman- tried various times, but went weird.
One for Martian Manhunter.
One properly for Batman...which can wait.
Boi I tell you as someone that grew up watching small vile disappapointed ain’t even the word for what I felt watching that scene
Bruh we need a vacation away from seeing the Multiverse and the only concept of how the Multiverse works well is explained in a movie called Justice League Crisis on Earth Two that movie is perfect.
12:55 hopefully that all can get adapted in a decade
I wish that dc would explore their cosmic, one universe more like they did with pre infinite crisis with storylines like our worlds at war.... Their last events have just been multiverse this, multiverse that except the GL ones and new krypton.
Man, that's why I am HYPED for absolute green lantern by Al Ewing. That man is a master in world building.
The DC multiverse has been a godsend for the community's powerscalers, not so much for common fans. It just adds a lot of bloat (that's the best way I can describe it) even if there are some good stories that make use of it
I heard that Superman remembers Pre-Crisis.
"Questionable decisions."
Unrelated stock footage of Tony von Doom
that's a questionable decision. Not sure if it will work. As hugh jackman returning as wolverine post logan was questionable. Though it worked at least financially for marvel.
a multiverse is like a 12 pack of beer. just because you can drink the whole thing in an hour doesn't mean you should. you have to moderate it.
The Injustice movie did a fine job i thought of basically saying every earth thinks they are Earth 1 so the numbering means nothing
The cup analogy is pretty good same with the noodle analogy makes complete sense
DC's multiverse is a mess but Once Upon a Time's is on crack.
Smallville Clark giving up his powers is stupid. I don’t see him doing it especially after the season 11 comics.
Used to be all about that multiverse life because of the crisis stories. As well as enjoying the idea of earth 2 existing to pay homage to the original version of our favorite heroes. Over time I began to dislike the idea of a multiverse, at least as they exist now, because they cheapen the uniqueness and integrity of all characters involved. Making them all seem like some multiversal constant that doesn't matter and can easily be replaced making them disposable or even completely changed for some "cool what if version" that only damages the public reputation of said character in the long run.