The Scooter That Changed Everything - Apollo Phantom V3 Review
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- Опубликовано: 14 мар 2023
- What Does This Lever Do? The Phantom V3 gets a dedicated Regen Lever, LUDO mode and for the first time, gets an app! In this Review to see how it compares to the Mantis King GT the Vsett 10+ and the Phantom V2.
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Are you excited about Ludo mode on the new Apollo Phantom V3? Let us know what you think of the latest version of the Phantom in the comments below!
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Direct competitor to these 3 scooters would be the Dualtron Victor Luxury+
Ludo mode is fun when you want to show off to strangers/friends/family but not worth the massive hit to your battery life imo. I usually keep my v3 in gear 1 or 2 which is a happy balance between speed and range
I am 51 yrs old & I knew not a damn thing about scooters but I was honestly introduced by trying to find something to get my son out of the house & more out & learn the world on the fly like we I did back in the 80's, 90's & today I am better for it & I swear you guys at the ESG factory has helped me a whooole lot in educating me so I could educate my son & now he loves being out doors thanks to the help of you guys doing you're not just reviewing scooters but you're impacting lives every day.. Thank You..👍🏽
Wow! Thank you so much. I really appreciae that! I have two (young) sons at home myself, so I'm looking forward to getting them on scooters when they're old enough. -Paul
You have a strange life my freind. My kids dont even know what a house is.
I hope you're riding with him. These things are fun. Me and my wife ride these together. Its a different experience of freedom
These new escooters are the mopeds of my time 🤣
I purchased the Phantom v3 based on this review and it is AMAZING! Thank you!
So glad you like it! Thank you so much for letting us know! -Paul
And thanks for the superchat!
As an owner of a '22 Apollo Ghost, I must start off sulking about the brakes. I see what the industry's up against - these tires & wheels are tiny, so tires wear fast. The discs are "small bicycle" size, but the speeds are closer to motorcycle speeds than bicycle. So of course, brake pads are wearing out very fast for me. I'm thinking of upgrading to a different brake system, but I've also ordered the Phantom V3 a week ago so I can take advantage of regen braking. I'm very pleased to see they're putting some good lumens in the headlight & also (though I haven't used them yet), the signal lights seem really good.
One thing I'm a bit confused about is, why devote an entire button to iterate through 'gears'? Maybe I'm alone in this, but on the Ghost, I put it into 3rd gear every time I ride.
What I like most about Apollo is, they're not in the shameless race to make e-scoots faster. Sure, more power, more range, better materials, better water resiliency, bigger tires, better suspension, better storage, more everything - but these things are VERY dangerous. I've been riding motorcycles since I was 16yrs old & the only thing more dangerous than riding a scooter in a busy city is riding a motorcycle on an interstate.
Note: Most of these e-scoots are "illegal" in your area. The laws are outdated & proper police ignore the good guys, but keep in mind if you're out there scaring people or riding 50km/h + past people who are walking, you're going to lose your scooter & news media & police LOVE to bring up examples like that to serve as a warning & to bring in some kind of fun-smothering, catch-all regulation. Wear a helmet, and if you find an empty sidewalk, STOP PASSING PEDESTRIANS AT HIGH SPEEDS! You'll get us all pinched! Pep talk over!
Very cool! Enjoy your new ride. -Vosk
I agree with everything you 💯 said brother👏. Safe ridings.
And the same pep talk to e-bike riders. Stop riding carelessly, don't give a bad name to e-bikers. There are those who would love to legislate bicyclists e-scooters (esp. e-bikers) out of existence.
@@coastdaze748 Yes there are - and another angle now is from insurance companies for apartment buildings. I have the 2023 Apollo Phantom now, and its battery is UL Certified, something insurers are asking for to prevent fires. No Nami scooters' batteries are UL Certified & they lead the pack in production scooters in most categories. Legislators want to go after scooters any way they can, so it's still my contention that we all act as ambassadors in a sense when riding around pedestrians & bicyclists. Match their speed as best you can, and safe it for empty roads/trails to put the hammer down. I found that on 10" wheels, 71km/h just isn't smart, lol. But I actually enjoy commuting, something I couldn't say since I was a teenager.
Love you guys. You’re the only ones I trust when it comes to new scooter purchases 🎉❤
Thanks so much! We really appreciate that. -Vosk
I’m over 50
I ride almost daily, best fun I’ve had since a kid.
Me too! You'd be surprised how much of our audience is our age! -Paul
Thanks again for the insightful review Paul and team!
Our pleasure! -Vosk
Thanks Paul for another awesome review . i’m not understanding why so many negative comments ?! once again thank you Paul for having the patience to address some of these straight up stupid comments with professionalism.
Ha ha! Ultimately, I'm just glad people are engaging with us!
I think in many cases people don't realize that they're going to get a response directly from me. I tend to hang out in the comments a lot (at least for the first week or so). I really appreciate your support. I actually lose a lot of sleep over these reviews and trying to make sure they're as good as they can be. -Paul
Your analytics skills are legendary. I definitely i would love to buy one of these babies.
Thank you so much! -Paul
This scooter is nearly perfect! The only thing that needs improvement is the tires, they should use tubeless self healing tires similar to the new Apollo City. Tire size could also be increased a bit. I hope they improve the tires in the next version!
Fingers crossed. The major competitors to the Phantom: Vsett 10+ and Mantis King GT are both still conventional tubed tires like these, but we are starting to see more and more tubeless 10" tires on light heavyweights. -Paul
The tires are not solid are they??.
40 mph standing on a scooter is plenty fast enough for me anyways, maybe a bit to fast!! Im happy doing 25-35 mph and I was always more interested in range!!!
@@brianmck7363no. Tubed
Yup rhose run flat tires should be the new standard.
I think I'm ready to be THAT guy in my town with the sweet scooter and motorcycle helmet
Go for it! -Vosk
same here but i am not sure between this one and the Mygo x11 pro.
Considering this is not an apollo sponsored review, I would argue that their needs to be more objectivity when comparing this scooter to the competion. This is a light heavy weight scooter which is priced to compete against Kaabo Mantis King GT, Vsett 10+ and Nami Klima. All these scooters are 60V, have more powerful sinewave controllers(faster of the line acceleration), all have base models are with hydraulic breaks and all have hydraulic suspension. They also all happen to have faster top speed then Apollo phantom v3. Additionally most people would prefer hydraulic shocks for comfort vs spring suspension. Also in case of Vsett 10+ it has been available on the market for over 2 years. Apollo had enough time to iterate their scooter to be more competitive in this aspects. I do not agree this factors are irrelevant and should be neglected when it's compared to other similar priced scooters.
Apollo is making their scooters in house , the 60v scooters are faster , but most consumers don’t need the fastest of the line , or best top speed. The phantom is unique because it is a original design , fully dedicated regen brakes which makes your physical brakes 97% unneeded , an Apollo app , a newly built controller. The Nami Klima we have not tested yet. The Vsett 10+ and mantis king GT are excellent , however this scooter is innovative and has very unique features.
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Apollo phantom v3 design is not that different from Nami Klima, Kaabo Mantis King and Vsett 10+. Apart placing the suspension shocks diagonally vs vertically, it's practically the same design.( And they went with spring shocks vs hydraulic. Strange for in house design.) What I would say has a truly unique and innovative design is something that segway has done with their GT1 and GT2 scooters. To say that most customers dont care about top speed or of the line acceleration when they spend over $2200 on a scooter is not accurate. I think in this category of scooters they do. If they didnt care they would buying something under $1000. Some people use scooters to commute to work and like to have fast acceleration at traffic lights. Additionally fast acceleration (powerful controllers) contribute to better hill climbing, especially if you are a larger rider. The newly built controllers Mach1 are 25A. Nami Klima has 40A controllers and even Vsett is at 35A (and that's with 60 V battery). Mach1 controller under Ludo with 52V battery is likely to be slower then Vsett 10+ or Nami Klima with the more powerful controllers. I am not saying this is bad scooter, but do want to add some objectivity to this discussion.
@@Alfred171992 : If you want "real" speed then get a motorcycle. It's pointless to keep yammering about the phantom being too slow or poorly equipped. It's good enough for the money. If you want long distance, or true off-roading, then get something that uses gasoline. Oh, and bike paths have speed limits and so do residential roads. Faster escooters can also mean bigger traffic tickets for speeding, assuming it is even legal to ride one in the first place. Cheers 😸
@@urban_phantom7750 Thank you for your response! I didn't realize that I hit a nerve, when I gave my opinion here. Anyway I will respond to your what looks like a ghost account. After watching the review it seems like Apollo Phantom v3 is graded in its own categories that have never been applied to any other scooter (In house design, Mach1 controller, regen breaks, ludo mode), which in my opinion is subjective. All other scooters that ESG reviews (ie Kaabo, Vsett,) are graded on the concrete specifics like battery size, battery cell type, controller amperage, which across the industry have been considered as essential characteristics. With apollo phantom V3, it seems like we do not want to talk about 1216W 18650 battery, or mechanical breaks or the spring shocks. We want to grade it on a different scale because its a very important scooter. We want to talk about ludo mode (the slowest top speed mode of all light heavy weigh scooters), Mach1 controller 25A controller (2 year old vsett has 35A and just released Nami Klima has 40A). Regen breaks are great( but what's the stopping distance?). Anyway, if you like Apollo Phantom V3 definitely get it, but I dont think I have seen ESG be more lenient on a grading scooters characteristics.
@@Alfred171992lmao don't let someone tell you not to have your opinion. And ya glad you mentioned this stuff. Just because you are astute and know your stuff, doesn't mean you have to be quiet because someone wants to just ride a motorcycle or something stupid like that
Phantom V3 is cool! Good review Paul!
But I think I’m going to rock my 2022 ghost for a few years and eventually get myself a Pro!
Looking forward to that review!
Thank you so much! I'm working on the Pro review right this moment! Spoiler alert... not as fast as I thought... but still cooler and weirder (in a good way) than expected. So much new stuff! -Paul
Did you know that Ghost 2022 are going to have a upgrade kit like the v2 phantom? Apollo teased it in reddit. I have the 2022 ghost myself and I'm excited.
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide sucks that its not as fast. still looking forward to your review
I have the 2022 ghost and I had it up to 45mph so no complaints from me
I appreciate your reviews and sharing knowledge. Although I still want a Phantom V3, I recently bought a NIU KQI3 Max for my 2.5 mile commute to work as my 1st electric scooter. It’s so much fun and smoother than expected even without suspension.
That’s great! Enjoy your new scooter. -Vosk
@@unloveableandre After using it everyday here in Miami, I still love it but can see how the extra speed and suspension would be helpful.
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuideI currently Commute on the Niu kqi2 pro, and it's kind of smooth but riding on bumpy sidewalks is annoying on the feet especially after walking all day for work. I was wondering if kqi3 pro was a better choice for me or maybe something like apollo city or phantom for the suspension but I hear mixed reviews on their customer service all the time. Any suggestions?
Inokim OXO and Apollo Phantom have a great looking sleek design but Inokim stopped innovating years ago sadly. Cant wait to get the Phantom V3 :)
I keep hoping Inokim is going to surprise us one of these days, but I agree. Right now Inokim's scooters are a little old. -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide fear not, as a brand new version Inokim OX and OXO are currently in production, featuring new colours and features. I can't go into much detail right now as it's a secret, but keep an eye out and definitely consider reviewing when they're out. You'll love them!
Me and my gf both got v2s last year, absolutely love them
Awesome! Glad you love it
The seamless regen braking makes this scooter attractive to me. Drivability really adds to the enjoyment.
I agree. I could play with the regen on this thing for hours. -Paul
I have the City Pro and the regen braking is amazing. Unless I need to brake in an emergency, I don't even touch the levers on my commutes! It really is that good.
Thanks for the review of the V3 Phantom! Been waiting for this model release for some time. The new regen braking seems to be amazing based on the few reviews I've watched to date. They also liked the new brighter screen, extra turn signals and smooth power delivery across the board including in LUDA mode. I like that the tires are still pneumatic personally as they can help with ride quality along with the shocks. Also nice that there is a phone app!
Glad to help! Thanks for stopping by. -Vosk
Have you ordered a V3 '2023 from Apollo yet? I ordered one & the shipping note says "by end of June". They're shipping is excellent & fast, I'm just impatient & would like to hear if people are starting to take ownership & in what areas (I'm in eastern Canada).
Given my experience with the City 2022, which had so many problems in the initial run, I'd wait to order until the initial defects surface and are resolved.
We just recorded a podcast with the CEO and CTO of Apollo yesterday and they were talkng about what they learned from the launch of the City and how they're launching the Apollo Pro through a beta tester program because of it. The V3 is much more of an incremental upgrade, so I wouldn't be too worried, but I totally understand why you'd feel gunshy about being early on this! -Paul
will wait for 60V phantom or will buy nami klima 60V
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Thanks, that's reassuring.
They corrected dang near everything. The only issues I have with the V2…
•the rotors are susceptible to warpage/ pads wear too quick
• the 8mm bolt holding the front swing arm in place is Sketchy.
• needs increased Ah for terrain with drawn out/ steep hills.
• Keeping up with traffic is difficult in single motor mode.
Based on a 3000 mile 1 year test ride in the foothills of the Berkshire Mountains (160lbs)
Wow! That's a test! 3k miles! Well done! -Paul
Use only dual motors as it's way easier on the controller & the battery!😊.
Can't wait for a Kaabo Mantis V3 to keep up!
I've had the Mantis Pro for 2 years now, and its in the second category you mentioned and I still love it. Two issues for me though, Stem is not stiff, it wobbles, and the brakes don't slow down the scooter gradually. Which one in your opinion, don't have those two issues!! I don't mind the price.
Very cool! Thanks for sharing. -Vosk
apollo got break regen that works pretty good, then you can tap your breaks with it to make it stop
I upgraded to the V3 and enjoy the improvements. Only con I could ever say about any version of the Phantom is the lack of good complete fenders. They dont wrap or cover the wheel entirely and that is a flaw. Ask any Phantom owner and they will say the same thing. We are all still waiting for Apollo to provide an after market Fender option.
Very cool! Thanks for sharing. -Vosk
Apollo is only going for the "good looks" NOT REALLY of the fenders instead of a proper functional one!!!
They could design a good-looking yet functional fenders.Not a mature company yet.
Hopefully, they grow out of that.
In all fairness, for those of us who go down technical rabbit holes - all Apollo did was create a VESC Controller for their scooter - Any scooter (or really any electric motor period) - can run on VESC and receive all the benefits of the phantom including variable regen braking , bluetooth with vesc app , motor learn procedures specific to your scooters etc - I appreciate the marketing and a factory "VESC Swap" - But its not proprietary and is doable on anything with wheels
Any scooter can do it, but not every person can do it! VESC is a deep rabbit hole indeed! It's fun when you have the ability to turn it up until things melt though! -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Yessir - you got that right - Ive been heavily debating on VESC Swapping my Kaabo WK GT ;)
Aha I have had strong suspicions that their "completely in house design" was using VESC firmware. I went searching for a video showing the full motor detection sequence to see if I was correct but didn't find anything. Just curious where you got this info from?
Wait. So I can put that on a vsett?
@@thiethie With a bit of soldering there is no reason you can't.
I would like to see self healing tires and adjustable hydraulic suspensions in their next update of Phantom.
Excellent idea! Thanks for commenting. -Vosk
Question, what kind of audio setup did you use for this video? So professional!! Great review as well, ty.
Thanks so much! We use the best audio
Ive done 400km im 2 weeks after getting it from electric kicks. Wasnt even planning on getting at e scooter when i went there. Best purchase ever
Awesome! Enjoy your scooter
Thank you for the review. Is it possible to swap out the stock tires for tubeless ones instead on your own?
Unfortunately not!
just go with a off road hybrid tire with a thicker tube added with slime you will be good for a very long time
I find it lovely how you guys know how to navigate through the LX display anyone that got a kit never got a manual of how to use it I've also discovered that they took away the ability to use one single motor on the V3 😢 my other concern is the regen break I have it on the lowest setting possible and it feels extremely dangerous to press on it it's as if the scooters going to Skid out I have to tap on it and that is not ideal for situations that you need to break quickly
Email CS! They will send you a manual and support. Their service has greatly improved in the last year or so. -Vosk
@EScooterGuide I have already done that, and they said they didn't have a manual they also told me that version 3 can not turn off one of the motors. which, in my personal opinion, is a step back when there's times you don't need both Motors and to be able to save on battery power. Also, there's no way to turn down the strength of the regen break. I have it on the lowest setting, and it almost flipped the scooter when pressed it down.😐
On the UNAGI the regen brakes are highly controllable, smooth or gradual as you desire it or can lock it too!!! Well it's in a different category of a scooter. Apollo could do that too.
@@Funkiyy Apollo has to learn about that from the UNAGI...🫣🤣😂🫡
Nobody else mentioned about the abrupt regen brake!!!
Everybody else says it's smooth & adjustable??!!😊
Paul, are the charge ports hot? in one of the Apollo videos, it seems like the charge ports are connected directly to the battery pack.
As far as I know the charge ports on all scooters are directly connected to the battery assembly, other than having an in-line fuse. Every scooter I've opened seems to be that way. Maybe I'm misunderstaning your question. -Paul
Awesome!
Thank you! Cheers! -Vosk
Genuine question (and I don't mean this negatively), you are one of the only youtube channels that reply to basically every comment. Why? Does this help the video? Boost engagement? I'd be very interested to know :)
We try to be super engaged with the community to understand their needs and concerns! Thanks for stopping by. -Vosk
Of course... we both have to answer *this* question.. :-)
Honestly, I learn a lot in the comments section of every video. I hear about new scooters (that's how we heard about Solar), and we also get a lot of feedback: "music is too loud", "you wave your hands like a chicken", "give us more/less detail". You'd be surprised how much time I spend in the comments sections of other channels (though I never, ever comment) because I want to hear what people like and don't like about other people's videos too. -Paul
Crazy how escooters can go up to those speeds legally but an ebike with seats are capped at 20mph-32kph at least in canada
Yes laws can be very weird!
escooters are limited to 24km/h in Ontario
@@sometin_else thats such a lie its a grey zone that no one really follows check out appolo scooters. They also impose a speed limit on ebikes which is 32km/h but i bought one that goes 51km off of amazon
@whatthe3711
Yes,that'sfor Amazon flat 🌎. 🎉😂😅
Considering I’m a welder , that horizontal weld on the stem absolutely kills me 🥲 7:24 , however I don’t get all the hate about the tires I’ve never had a problem with tubed tires but I check the psi constantly.
Tire pressure maintenance is key! -Paul
Whats wrong with the welding? What do u think of the kaabo mantis king gt welding?
Im really liking apollo rides.
Thanks for stopping by! We do too. -Vosk
i have a question about the v3. When you set the cruise control and then go down a hill. Does it keep the cruise control speed by automatically using the brake regen like a VE ?
Yes it will be deactivated for safety!
looking for a tie breaker, I'm tossing up between Phantom V3, the Klima, Mukuta 10+ (I don't think you've done a review yet) or the Mantis King GT and maybe the Vsett10+. If it were your $$, what would you buy, given i live in an extremely hilly area, 6ft1 and 265lbs. and it would be mostly for commuting and no doubt some recreational riding as well?
Check out our best of list! riderguide.com/best-rated/best-electric-scooters/
Rion has an app plus also a dedicated reg brake as well plus the fastest scooter ever 75mph as well and looks better but more expensive
RION is a 8k scooter and takes over a year to get! They are nowhere in the same league.
Great review of the Phantom V3, I was hoping you can cover the differences in V4 and it seems to be minor fixes rather a whole new model. Also if you can speak to why the V4 app feature is not present as it is with V3?
Difference are very very minor!
Hey Paul, thanks for the review. I got the Phantom 2023 now. Do you know how to connect the charger. First in the wall and then the scooter or the opposite? Thanks in advance . I love the Phantom!
Shouldn't matter but if you want to be extra safe always go into the grounded wall socket first then scooter
Hey! Always first to the Wall! Then to the scooter. Thanks for stopping by. -Vosk
I did a comparison on the ESG site with the phantom vs Solar p1 2.0. Performance is similar and even in favor of the solar, but the phantom does 3 more miles in the range test (28 vs 25). Solar is also like 10 pounds lighter. The price gap is huge though, the phantom is like $900 more. Still worth?
You honestly can’t go wrong with either. Solar has higher value for sure. -Vosk
What is the nominal and peak Amperages on the Mach1 controller and what is the total battery Kwh
25A per motor, so at full charge that's 58.8V x 25A = 2,940 W of peak power.
Battery is 1170Wh -Paul
Love u guys also plz do more challenges
Yes we will thank you for stopping by. -Vosk
more is coming this year!!! what would you like to see? - Chase
DM us too, we always welcome inbounds - vosk@electric-scooter.guide
Interesting. I've spoken with the boys over at Minimotors Direct quite a few times about braking Regen. They turn Regen Off immediately on any scooter they get from seeing so many controllers blow because of it. Granted the Dualtrons all use Square Wave controllers. Not sure if Regen braking on a Sinewave controller is any different...
I agree. I always turn Dualtron regen down to the lowest setting or off, because it's not modulated by the brake levers. Dualtrons have my least favorite (and most abrupt) regen, but thankfully the disc brakes work fine without it. -Paul
I am either getting this scoot or the Kaabo Mantis King GT .
Both are excellent choices! Stay Safe. -Vosk
Hi there. Which scooter would you recommend as the best, in this class please? Looking for best performance, no throttle dead zone, must fold, and I like to accelerate fast. Cheers.
The phantom is solid pick for sure! Check the link in description for latest pricing and coupon code.
This rides like a F1 race car and very quiet smooth
Hello, I have a question regarding the tires. Are they inflatable or do they have to be changed as normal rubber tires?
They're inflatable, but have tubes inside. It has split rims, so for tire changes you remove the wheels and take the two halves apart to get the tire off, rather than prying the tire up and over the rim. -Paul
Thank you for this excellent test video, but you should consistently translate imperial measurements into metric measurements using subtitles.
Great suggestion!
ESG is catering more with the imperial a lot to the USA market!!!
Canadiands are using the metric system since the late 80s!!!😊.ESG should display both!!!😮.
Hello ESG, I am in the process of getting my first scooter and have three options that I am considering. I am interested in the NIU KGi3 Max, Apollo city pro, and Segway ninebot Max G3OP. I intend on using the scooter regularly to commute to work and school. Please could you help me with making a decision? Thank you
We would recommend the apollo city pro! it is above and beyond compared to the other 2 scooters you mentioned. The suspension, top speed, acceleration, design are all superior.
I own the V2 Phantom 60V version. Right now the upgrade kit isn't available for their previously top of the line scooter. I wonder why we got excluded and will an upgrade kit be available in the future. I like the V3 but the top speed is the same as my current scooter V2 60V
The upgrade for 60V should be available in the future! -Vosk
They said because the 60v creates more heat so requires more testing
Sad to learn Apollo scrapped the V3 upgrade for my 60V model; I bought the V2 because I was expecting to be able to upgrade. That said, I've been very happy with it over the last year of ownership, so I'll manage, but it feels bad to be punished for not buying the 52V version RIP
52v and 60v are not major differences to be honest! -Vosk
I'm still happy with my 2021 Kaabo Mantis Pro 24 Ah. It has better acceleration, less weight, more compact, better range, a place in the neck that will fit a 10 mm chain so I have flexibility as to where I lock it up... For what the Kaabo Mantis 10 pro 2021 is, idk if anything can beat it. All the scooters with better performance specs are heavier and bigger.
It’s an excellent scooter for sure! -Vosk
Sorry but the Phantom V3 is a better scooter overall, better build quality, better ride quality, i think they are close in acceleration aswell due to the Phantom using Mach1 sinewave controller and higher top speed.
Has Apollo mentioned if their new controllers are running VESC firmware? All of the features seem to point to it but I've seen no confirmation. If they are running VESC firmware then they would legally need to release their modified source code which would be awesome for modification and might even allow for performance parameters to be changed in the VESCTool app. Have you guys tried to see if the VESCTool app connects to the scooter?
We will verify when we find out! -Vosk
What is the deck clearence? Looks smaller then vsett 10 or 9 ( i like it to be more compact). Do you deliver to Europe and have costumer support here. I'm from Croatia.
About 6 inches! Check their website for European dealers
Never saw the link to balancing the front tire. Can you provide?
Here you go! 🔗ruclips.net/video/zSzrtAGhc60/видео.html
You guys are quick and rock!!! Thanks!
one of the first to order the Hydraulic version which ships out April.. Was not happy about the $81 shipping coverage in case its damaged or stolen during shipment.... i know its optional but i left it in with my excitement thinking it was an extended warranty.
Enjoy your Phantom! You might reach out and see if they can take the extra shipping coverage off of your order, since it hasn't shipped yet. They're probably getting a lot of calls/texts today though
-Paul
Thanks Paul! Great review as well!! I don’t want to tempt fate and get put at the end of the line lol.
Same. I contacted them and told them if anyone needs to pay for such insurance is you'll, not the consumer. Not cool they are trying to make us responsible for something we haven't received. Also if it gets damage during shipping that should be between who they partner to ship it. They pretty much said they will still take responsibility. To me it seems like they are just trying to see who is dumb enough to pay it. Also not cool that they didn't say anything about hydrolic version coming out later.
@@mendez77054ify did they refund you if you asked?
Ya you pay for delivery for a reason. Then you have to pay when they dont do the job right? That type of consumer philosophy needs to die real fast.
Thanks guys. Do you have a code for the UK ?? Regards.
Do not unfortunately!
If you have to chose between Apollo phantom or Nami Klima ? I’m looking for innovation and ride experience.
Klima is zippier! Phantom is more innovative. Both excellent suspension. You can use code RIDERGUIDE for $50 off the phantom and RIDERGUIDE100 for $100 off the Klima.
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide thanks a lot!!
Does the new Mach 1 controller overheats when it is on ludo mode for too long ?
We have not had any issues with our test units! -Vosk
Can someone help
I want to know why they would send a pre production model. Mine has white lights, instead of yellow (orange) also the hydraulic version was supposed to be released on the 4th April and mine got delivered last Saturday. Something doesn't add up. Did they just slap their new controller on a previous version?
Someone help, how can I spot more differences. Something doesn’t add up
I would contact them directly! They might have gotten the stock in earlier then expected.
I prefer the turn signal buttons on the V2 honestly. You should probably replace that charging port cover to be honest
Yeah, we just don't have a matching port cover here at the moment. I really like these buttons better. I ride with gloves on, out of habit, because I'm also a motorcyclist, and I can never manage to poke the individual buttons on the V2 style signals with my floppy gloved-thumbs. -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide fair. I know ethics button is which by feel, even with gloves on
After import fees on competition it becomes a way better option for Canadians with the service centers and support.
For sure! -Vosk
I just purchased the Phantom 2024, have received yet, I seems that the quality control and support experience, from what I have read, is either five stars or one star. Interested in peoples comments.
Thanks
Great scooter! Enjoy
I want the V4
Probably will be soon enough haha!
I am looking to purchase a new scooter, and I have 2 important questions. Who makes that battery? (LG, Samsung, or?) Also warranty with parts? Thanks
The Phantom uses Dynavolt batteries, which are Chinese cells, but a well known source for scooter batteries. Warranty is one year, I believe, but the Apollo website will have the latest info and exact details of how things work. They went through massive growth last Summer and had some growing pains, keeping up with support, but have absolutely massively expanded their support team since then. -Paul
@Electric Scooter Guide thank you for responding! That is much needed info that I wasn't finding much on. Apollo keeps jumping at me, especially the new V3!
Which is better/faster, the v2 60v or the v3?
I reached 88km/h on my 60v v2 before it got stolen, was gonna buy another one similar or should I go with the v3?
V3 is newer , similar top speed. I would recommend the V3 -Vosk
Hello! Thx! I just realized that there are So many other companies and scooters out there. Can I ask you which one is the best for me if I need :
-Between 60-85 pounds
-min40 kms of range at high speed
-at least 70kms/h
Price doesn’t matter, what is the best scooter out there you think? The Rion90?
Wooooo!
We couldn't agree more! Thanks for watching and commenting -Paul
I just pre-ordered the Phantom V3, but I can't find anywhere that says if whether the brakes are Hydraulic or Mechanical, nor did I see an option. Can someone answer this?
Depends on what you selected. However you will be braking with the dedicated brake prob 95% of the time. -Vosk
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide There was no selection, so im kinda confused.
I'm holding out hope that the upcoming Apollo Pro will have faster acceleration smoother ride and more range at a similar wieght! I'm will to pay for what will be the best designed scooter to ever hit the market!
Check out our review of the Apollo Pro in a few weeks! It's the next generation, not of the Phantom... but of all scooters. -Paul
would love one but more $ than i want to drop
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide exactly why I think it will be worth price tag!
@@renstimpy101 $150 a week away for 27 weeks and you will have your Apollo Pro!
@@AustinF516 yeah i get it but more money than i want to spend for sure. Let me know how it is!!
Is the v3 not a sinewave? How does it smoothen out the acceleration if it isn't sinewave? Only asking because thinking of selling my ghost.
The Mach 1 controller is tuned the have a very smooth acceleration and great regen braking to eliminate most of hard braking. -Vosk
It's not square wave,it's a different type,similar to the signewave controller.
You should be happy about it.😊
@@8_x_9. I ended up getting a v3 last year, smooth as butter!
I never liked the V1 & the V2 hopefully this one is better but my friend has the V2 and he says the customer service is really bad I actually did a review on the V1
Insightful! Thanks for sharing. -Vosk
Better with gloves! I had trouble with my motorcycle gloves and the old throttle systems. That new braking system sounds cool too better braking any time. I would like a twist throttle but thumb throttle sounds ok.
Very insightful! Thanks for sharing. -Vosk
VIS? oh yeah!
I feel all new scooters need to have plugs so you can completely remove the wheel from the scooter for tire changes, just like the emove roadrunner pro has.
Good call out! It's tricky because it can be a failure point, but definitely a feature I'm in favor of! -Paul
Is this better than thre dualtron eagle pro?
There is a lot to like about both scooters. I like the throttle, brakes on the Phantom V3 better and the stem on the Phantom is massively better than the Eagle Pro. On the other hand the rubber cartridge suspension on the Eagle Pro is pretty sweet and not overly stiff like most Dualtrons. The Eagle Pro is really overdue for an update though. Fingers crossed that it gets one in 2023. -Paul
How fast is the pro compared to the phantom? Acceleration wise
You can check the comparison chart on our website!
I had the V2 for about 4 months before i got bored of it and got a dualtron ultra 2.
Thanks for watching and commenting! Enjoy your Ultra 2! -Paul
Are we getting a p100s and p65 review anytime soon?
Possibly in the future!
Me and my girlfriend both got 52v v2s and are probably gonna get the upgrade kit, I'm a bit concerned about my deck tho by the rubber coating doesn't have screw cutouts on the v2, will I have to peel it up? Also am curious about how I would install front facing turn signals
I don't think the front facing signals are part of the V2 to V3 upgrade kit, unfortunately.
Mainly, you get a dedicated regen brake lever, a new, smoother, slightly faster controller, a better throttle lever and a new display + can connect to the Apollo app. -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide : Front lights on the v2 are supposed to become turn signals with the v3 upgrade.
How about that stem bolt recall though?
Applies to V1 and V2! V3 has new bolt installed.
How does it compare to the new apollo pro
Apollo Pro is next level overall!
Kinda surprised that still no reviews of P100S/P65…
At this point I'm not sure it's going to happen soon, if at all. We've got something coming from Segway soon, but I don't think it's the P100s or P65. -Paul
Any ideas as to why? Thanks for a response!
Nothing beats a dualtron ULTRA 2 there expensive but the experience you get riding one ,you won't feel on any other scooter on the market ....nice looking scooter though .
Well said! Thanks for stopping by. -Vosk
hopefully they resolved the neck breaking that occurred with v2
That was an early issue on some pieces of the V1 that was resolved by V2! Now it is V3 and has zero issues. -Vosk
wish list: built in charger, pair of threaded 'water-bottle' attachment nuts in location for folding lock.
Interesting ideas!
Big credit for finally putting indicators on the front - which is my biggest irritant. Way more important than the back. Hope the switch is easy to use with gloves.
However …
Dim display. Honestly. What is the point of a display if you can’t see it properly in direct sunlight - the time when we need it most.
The other obvious fails. 45km range. Not enough. Tires not tubeless.
After three versions you can’t get this right? These things are obvious.
I’m looking for an upgrade. This isn’t it for me.
Side note: others have reported that the V3 display is brighter than the V2, so it's possible ours is an anomaly, but it's the only one I have to judge by, so I had to call it out. -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Appreciate that Paul. Thanks. You’d think they’d have tested your supplied model (I know I would if I was allowing you to review!) and called out any known issues. It’s disappointing. Such a basic thing. I rather have the old Dualtron displays that are super clear than a fancy one that I can’t read.
What’s with the 62mph speed limit?
You can set an upper bound to wherever you want, but ultimately you're limited by how fast the motors can push you. But if you wanted to set it to 27mph, for example you could do that and never go faster than an indicated 27 mph. 62mph = 100kph which is just a nice roun stopping point. I also might be running the prototype version of the app here, I have both production and proto apps on my phone and am not sure which I was using when filming. -Paul
Is this the scooter to buy for the price range and not wanting to wait 2-3 months for others?
Yes it’s a great scooter & price and you can get another $100 off with code ESG100PHANTOM geni.us/ApolloPhantomV3
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide I tried to order one but seems to not be working (I'm in Canada)
How does apollo phantom v3 compare to just released NAMI Klima?
We're testing the Klima now. I haven't ridden it yet though. Mitchell is doing that one. I'm looking forward to trying it though! -Paul
klima is 60v way better scooter wit logan brakes etc
pls review new Nami Klima 25a
We're testing a Klima right now! -Paul
Mitchell (the new guy) is doing that review, I'm looking forward to riding it though. -Paul
noice
I love that word. -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Noice Paul, Noice
I had the NIU KQi3 Max and it's garbage. I was getting so much vibration from it that my right arm became numb so much so that I had to go through therapy to restore the nerves. Scooters with such small tires need suspension. Right now I'm shopping for a replacement which will either be a Gosen Q7 ebike or the Phantom.
Phantom is awesome! You can grab $50 off with code RIDERGUIDE
Does anyone have parts for the V2 60V ? I need controllers.
Contact Apollo CS and they will assist you
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Thanks for watching and for the emoji. Is that a dinosaur? -Paul
It seems like Apollo is going to focus more on having a line up of scooters for cruising instead of performance with their ̶A̶p̶p̶l̶e̶ ̶M̶1̶ Apollo Mach1 controller. Will Apollo make a sporty performance scooter in the future?
The focus feels like it's heading towards reliability, ergonomics and being sporty-commuters, more than raw ultimate performance scooters. I'm reviewing the Apollo Pro right now, and getting the same vibe. It will probably pay off for Apollo and their riders in the long run, but it's not as sexy as being able to say something goes 70mph for sure. -Paul
Realisticly you cant even ride that fast due to speed limits. Technically dmv states scooters can only go 25mph on bike paths. I am not going to vegas every time I want to floor it lol. Cops dont seem to care 30-40 hope that stays in effect. But when people go 60 on a damn bike path with pedestrians come on? Im not regreting apolos research decisions. Though going fast is fun... Just do it on an abandoned no mans land lol
The V3 Apollo is more performance for 99% of the market especially with the new controller and Luda mode. Doesn't make sense to go any faster on a scooter. They are smart to focus on improving an already winning formula with added reliability and performance.
they need to up there game on performance. 0-30 in over 7 seconds is an epic fail for ludo mode. that's actually quite slow vs the competition. the single motor segway gt1 does 0-30mph much faster. I was honestly expecting the 0-30 time to be about 5 seconds or faster. I get all the other tech but calling this ludo is losing its reputation when you look at the competition.
I was a little surprised myself, that it's only a little faster than the V2. The prototype Ludo we tested a year ago was insane. I feel like Apollo is using a lot of restraint to not just let loose with performance, and my gut feel is that they're doing it for the sake of longevity. I definitely see their engineering going that direction on the Apollo Pro I'm testing now. I'm super curious to see how Apollo scooters are holding up relative to other scooters a few years from now.
The V3 is still quick, but not as LUDO as I thought it might be. -Paul
Thought the v3 would be something different. Still just a V2 no matter the marketing
There has been some upgrades for sure! It’s more refined also. -Vosk
To me the dedicated regen brake lever is the biggest change. The improved throttle response is nice too. -Paul
they went with cheaper breaks too.. i dont get it.
Why didnt u guys review and compare the roadrunner 5+ yet?
We are currently reviewing that scooter. -Vosk
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide thats great news debating right now the on i should buy looking foward to it!!! Keep up the great work.
I always see people complaining about the tires. Flats etc.
I think most of the problems comes from people riding with low tire pressure. Scooter tires have a ton of surface area relative to their volume. Like, almost 10X the ratio that cars have. So all scooter tires typically need a little top up once a week. I think the vast majority of flats are due to hitting a pothole or really any seam in the pavement (like a driveway) at low pressure. Even when the tires don't look low, they can be low enough to cause a pinch flat. Tubeless do a better job handling this situation, but keeping tire pressure up all but eliminates pinch flats too! -Paul