Very nice and informative video For all those who saying sponsored in the comment, well guys, they have clearly shown the broken Ola in the intro as well as comparison with ather. Pretty sure if it was sponsored, they would have mentioned it in the description as always.
Tbh In start you will face prblm with electric scooters as they are new in the 2w market but there are a lot of benefits... I have been riding ola s1 for 2 years small-small issues were there which come in every scooter but in terms of savings and experience it's too good compared to petrol scooter now I can never think of going back to petrol scooter.
@@paroxymal7688 Yes, you can blame people, especially if they are stupid to not read the obvious description and tags on a sponsored video and the absence of it on a non-sponsored video.
Lol yeah, there's so many technical things involved and he says "hardly any tech". It seems like his channel TechWiser has hardly any knowledge of tech.
This video target normies people who don't care what's happening inside the motor and how well responsive feedback ICE machines provide. Him just selecting an old outdated Activa proves it straight, why not go for TVS Ntorq, Yamaha Aerox, Hero Xoom or even Suzuki Burgman. I will prefer using a better fun to ride, reliable and engaging machine which is proven to perform longer. You can't ride any EV right now full time on Hyper/Sport mode without having any range anxiety as they aren't refined enough to perform longer before throttling down eventually. ICE sport scooters can do anything while still being practical, I myself still love riding my 5yrs old BS4 Ntorq 125.
bhai itna nerdy hone ki jarurat nahi hai, non techy se mtlb tha uska ki software tech used + electricity, non techy se uska seedha mtlb tha ki petrol dalao chalao gaadi mast
so what? I'm never going to chastise a person for making money. I'm sure if you had the opportunity to make money you'd take it. he made an effort to make this video and is a positive video but here you are bitching about how this is sponsored.
Exactly. Well said. Anybody would have done the same thing. And yeah he never told to buy an ola specifically. And point to be mentioned that when you are sponsoring a companys product, you cannot compare it with others or make the other company's product inferior. If we had sponsered it, he would have mention it. We never know but i believe it was a honest review
What most people don't factor in is the resale value of the vehicle. Yes, EVs have lower running costs. But in all scenarios, petrol scooters have a higher resale value which eventually brings down the total cost of ownership over the lifecycle. I have still not seen anybody talking about this or buying a used EV scooter. Really hoping somebody will solve this question by sharing their experience
The reason for EV not penetrated the Used vehicle market is the time duration, ev have become main stream mostly after covid (less than 3 years) and not enough market saturation is reached for spare parts yet that people buy them for spare either. When battery recycling becomes are huge market due to EVs and environmental reason, the resale value of the Ev will only rise. You can take an example from US market with tesla, currently even a 5 yr old tesla resale value is higher than then purchased value due to battery, recycling and chip they contain. moreover Ev will get continued software support which make them more stable and add new features which might increase the resale value.
Even new teslas are going 20-30% below MSRP. Let alone second hand. you are talking about the post covid chip shortage era. Now the used market prices are plummeting like crazy. And about software update..hardware can only support for a certain amount of years same like mobile. After that the company will stop giving updates just like our mobile phones. Just consider the ev as a big mobile phone. Ola will stop giving updates to gen1 scooter in coming years obviously same as motorola stops giving updates after some years Newer ev technologies will be released in upcoming years. So the old ones will be left behind. So you have to upgrade to the newer model to enjoy more updates. Imagine buying a 2016 Tesla model 3☠️
@@parikshithkrishnan3001 The reason that current tesla are selling lower than before is part chip shortage and part goverment rebates, My EV scooter costed 1.1 lac on road with rebate of fame 2 and no state subsidy but if i include state subsidy of let say delhi it would cost me around 90K on road which is almost same as a petrol scooter. Since then the fame subsidy is reduced and very soon it will be gone so does state rebates , I renewed my insurance and the new IDV max for my vehicle was 1.4 lac in just 1 and 1/2 yr. The same goes for earlier tesla where in california they had heavy state rebates which one doesnt add when calculating the resale value, if one adds that most tesla are second going for the same price as new one. Poeple may not buy a 2016 tesla because its 8 yrs old but most are still getting 2020 or 2021 model still. Moroever with poluution norms getting stricter anyway any vehicle older than 10-15 yrs will become inoperable in most countries. Secondly when the market was new with a lot of gov help they could put better hardware and charge less from customer , with now lesser subsidy they are cutting in hardware too both ola , ather have done that with inferior electronics. with upgrades which are still laughable at best. (Ola replacing a 720p screen with 480p screen and ather going from 1 gb ram to 2 gb ram in 6 yrs). Newer technology will definetly come but most car manufacturer are making theoir current Ev with hardware which should support 5-8 yr into their future. even phones which sees a rapid upgrade cycle of at max 2-3 yrs, has now has started giving updates for 5 yrs and in some cases like pixel 7 yrs software updates. The progress in tech is slowing down with each year getting marginal updates that even big company like apple make major upgrade only after 3 product cycles at best.
The solution is there but in a different form , if you ride 50km in a day by 3 to 3.5 years you save enough money on petrol to buy a battery or a new ev . Assuming the price of petrol stays the same . So when somebody goes for resale of ICE scooter they get a good value that is used to buy a new vehicle in most cases. In ev you save that money by not buying petrol
Petrol scooters have higher resale value because there are too many of them, with adoption of EVs within 5 to 6 years their resale value will also improve. So yes if ur planning to sell ur scooter within 4 to 5 years then ice vehicle is recommended
TVS iQube is more practical with no nonsense software problems like no touch screen, key start/stop, home chargers with no issue of earthing, no extra buttons(except reverse and hazard lights), and the most important proper service centres in every towns. What's your take guys?
TVS's service program doesn't extend to EVs, at least in my city. Also, the price for that scooter is ridiculous. In no way anyone should look for THAT when Ola and Ather exist with good quality. If you live in a Tier3 city like me, you're better off with a petrol vehicle imo, at least for the next 2-3 or even 5 years.
@@ArpitNahiMila True. I guess I will keep pedalling with my bicycle for the next 5 years or so. I don't want to go for anything oily. Maybe Yo DX+ might be a better option for me right now, since they have a service center near to where I stay. Won't need a license either.
I'm unsure if the people who claim that EVs have issues like battery replacement and infrastructure have even tried to explore EVs, just a little. If they did, they'd know they come with a replacement warranty and infrastructure is getting better by the day. Especially in big cities, while smaller cities might take a little longer for the charging infrastructure to expand. You honestly won't need it for the day to day. Cuz daily charging needs are easily met using the charger at home. In states like Maharashtra, you've got a pretty good network of chargers that you can even travel outside city limits to other cities and places.
These guys are just exaggerating the electric scooters, batteries will be expensive and as you said batteries will degrade faster. Tell which lithium battery didn't go below 70% in three years and the promised range is never going to be accurate.
Let's see how well both the scooters perform after 5 years. Activa is reliable, tried and tested. Too many fancy features means the probability of too many things going wrong and needing expensive repairs. EVs are still in their infancy, let's give it some more time.
Folks like you were the ones that said to use keypad phones because touchscreen will go bad in a while 😂 stay outdated but the world will move on. All the best
@@ayzu7670You think you are intelligent by judging someone ? He never said he is against EVs, it's just that it's in their initial phase and will need time to pick up...Yes, there are quite a lot of problems with electric scooters right now..If you think EVs are already ahead of other scooters in the segment, then you better call yourself a fool..
@@Vazhipokkannmy guy, you need to read the original comment again. The points mentioned are clearly against EV. The issue is that people haven't even tried or explored EVs and have "created" opinions. Ask people who use EV for their opinion, maybe even try them out.
Battery replacement cost is not added. Even for current price. In future the companies can loot you, like printer companies do with toner/cartridge system. Footnote- "Software" hehe
Tbh In start you will face prblm with electric scooters as they are new in the 2w market but there are a lot of benefits... I have been riding ola s1 for 2 years small-small issues were there which come in every scooter but in terms of savings and experience it's too good compared to petrol scooter now I can never think of going back to petrol scooter.
Fun fact! Activa also has hill hold! You can activate it by pressing the rear brake lever all the way and pulling up the small lever behind it, and release the brake. Press the brake all the way and it will release.
I'm always shocked at how nobody mentions resale value of EVs. Nobody will even pay 30% of the original cost for an EV. Factor that in, and EVs defeat their own purpose of being environment friendly. ICE will easily last 20 years will good care.
Even if you keep the ev the battery life reduces after years of use and vehicle will need new batter which is 90% of the cost thats why noone wants used evs
I can bet that ola's or Ather's build quality is not better than activa. They might use better quality plastics but in terms of build quality activa still has the upper hand.
Yeah build of ola is not upto activa but its repair is very cheap bcs it has plastic panels.. Bs 30 min mein change although mera kabhi accident nhi hua by gods grace
i have both ola and activa and build quality of ola if preety good and it handles itself pretty well at high speeds of more than 80.I would never try to drive my activa at more than 60kmph.
Correction: Warranty will be entertained below 70% capacity, not 80% And 70% is quite less. Once a battery reaches soh below 70%, it degrades even faster. Next, you don't need to kick the new activas anymore. They've upgraded them with fuel injected systems and do not cause issues in cold start.
@@John-re9wz Motor replacement is vary rare situation, I have used two average quality 2000W electric scooters back in 2016 - 2020, I did more than 40,000 KM on each and even after I sold those I was in contact with the buyers and none of the those had motor changes or issues even with the hall sensors. The reason I sold was due to battery issues (Lead acid), One of those biks are now upgraded to 50ah Lion with fast charging and it is being heavily used. I am in Sri Lanka and the electric bike prices are really high thesedays but my understanding is if you have a solar system at home, this is the cheapest method of transportation. 3-4 years of use will help you save the cost of the bike. Take Care.
The other day i wasn't able to watch Techwiser's video on YT. I thought there's something wrong with my YT. Then i realised i enable Ad skip and sponsered skip option. 😅
probably but how many people are willing to swap their brand new battery for small probablity that the new swapped battery will be a lot older and with different aged battery your range will also differ so planning will become more tough
I thibk there should be 2 companies involved... 1 is ev vehicle manufacturer & 2nd is only battery manufacturer. Give a deposit amt for battery to battery manufacturer & keep swapping from same company. @@pinakinayak5278
Yes it ofcourse amazing, and great if you wanna save Money but sadly, the practicality of EV SCOOTERS is really an issue, as their load carrying capacity is VERY LESS when compared to Petrol Scooty... It is NEVER AN ISSUE WITH EV CARS by the way. The speed and Performance and range depletes a lot when 3 people are on the Scooty or when the load is very heavy Mene dekha hai, people even go 150+KM on a Petrol scooty and with a lot of load. EV SCOOTYS NEED EVEN MORE HIGH CAPACITY BATTERIES AND EVEN HIGH POWERED MOTORS TO match the practicality of Petrol Scooty.
@@YoungAtharva the power output of ev is unmatched (for my ola s1 atleast) yeah but the range drop due to load is high. (not an issue for me bcs i use for city rides)
@@aapkonkahalagayafon2270 vahi bol rha hoon mere Bhai, City Rides k liye EVs are best! Load agr heavy bhi hai toh bhi it's fine agr city mei hi ride karna hai and distance bhi kam hai... By the way HEAVY LOAD ki vajah se less power, less speed, less range milna, IS THE PROBLEM ONLY SCOOTYS, EV CARS ARE FANTASTIC. UN MEI YEH ISSUE HAI HI NHI, NO MATTER Puri gadi aur Dikki bhari hui ho, ya kitna bhi inclined ho, THIS CAN BE Achieved ONLY WITH GREAT BATTERY PACK AND VERY HIGH PERFORMANCE MOTORS. Yeh EV CARS mei toh hai, But EV Scootys mei nhi hai
everything is all good but even after 1 lakh kilometers done the range / milage of an IC engine won't be as bad as an EV and at that time the battery will cost around a lakh to replace so the goods are not as good to make the switch now. even the EV will be much more valuable now after replace the battery the problems will start to arise and the coverage of the company will be gone too
EV Bikes are not suited for Indian climating conditions, since these scooters are exposed to dust, heat & rain. Battery has to be replaced every 5 - 7 yrs & that cost equals to a ICE scooter, adding to this is risk of catching Fire is always there.
I tried my Ola scooter.... The OLA just dosen't feel right in hands.... control, balance, Grip, is totally off. I don't feel confident riding an electric scooter compared to an petrol one. Maybe with time they will improve their body structure as well.
these electric scooter companies are raising price af. ather 450x is at 1.8lakh in my town and highest end with all features is 2lakh. also any repair or damage costs will cost u another bang. i really wanted to buy electric scooter but went for petrol.
I really considered buying Ola s1 pro few months back but stopped due to following reasons (correct me if im wrong) - Very bad Service - Battery replacement cost is high. Even if it offers warranty since the service centre are sloths it doesn't help. - really struggle in uphill climb - Takes charging time instead of seconds filling in petrol ones - Even though it saves money in short term due to low charging money, in long term its nearly same as petrol scooters - new and unfamiliar, cant go repair to any shops like in petrol ones. - Weak body frame
As an Electric Vehicle Engineer, I suggest charge your battery only after draining to less than 20% and charge it until 80%. Every battery is designed for a fixed number of charging cycles. Each charging and discharging will consume 1 cycle of battery life. Therefore drain your EV battery completely before charging
I brought Okinawa ev bike my experience is a$$ worst service (they removed service centre from my town ) i have to go to other town. u will get 60-65% range only. No parts available at all they don't even lift my calls 🤬🤬🤬🤬
@@dineshdas8392 Just doesnt even cover the immense technology behind Internal combustion engines. There are thousands of moving parts all working perfectly in sync to move you and your stuff in super comfort. That itself is super technology.
Its important to state the terms and conditions of the 8years warranty on battery by OLA. Its basically for 80k kms or 8 years. So depending on your commute, it is covered maybe for 8 years only if you ride 30 km a day, everyday for the year = 11kms per year. Not bad though, just stating.
Recently saw a reddit post where a student was getting late for college, but got a software update on his ola scooter, and he was unable to start or cancel the update.
Try calling a mechanic when your ev doesn't work. I'm sure after hearing answers from them you will surely call the towing company because no matter what software it uses or how advanced tech it has still petrol are scooters are way ahead. Because of reliability, service availability, fuel pumps everywhere, even a mechanic on call would tell you how to fix it and you are good to go... Above all they don't catch fire 😂😂
Thers a video online of a customer putting his electric scooter on fire becoz he was fed up with it being non-functioning and the poor customer service.
Electric if- 1st 2 wheeler or Daily use of more than 20km or Solar panel is installed at home or Only charging at home Petrol if- Already own a 2 wheeler Not using daily living in a remote location For outstation trips My 16 year old bike still gives me at least 60kmpl and runs smoothly. I spend barely 2000 a year on petrol. No point getting an electric other than to enjoy the feel.
There is a hand brake in every petrol scooties nowadays..so if we there in slope..we apply handbrake & voala. We don't go for servicing every 3months. Talking about subsidies once people start buying ev slowly subsidies will go away.. Lastly we are still dependent on non renewable source of energy like coal for electricity so EV is not clean.
For all those mentioning sponsored, I'll suggest watch this from a objective lens. It answers very serious question of even considering an EV in the first place, pros and cons etc. I have lots of questions and resistance to buy EV vehicle, but this can a step in the direction where one can atleast decide what their next 2 wheeler can be.
Literally me watching this video mid road with my Ola Stuck in the middle of the road due to its software issue (Found this while searching For "How to fix this thing"):
you didn't do a cost comparison overall including battery replacement of EVs which cost 50% of the scooter price and the Petrol Scooties with servicing costs and replacement costs over the same period. How much does an user spend, what is the actual saving they get in EV even after battery replacement....that is the main deal for an ordinary customer. Otherwise an one time 70-80k replacement cost even after 5 yrs of usage hits hard to a middle class consumer. Also EVs have cons like rainy season time or flood time they can get damaged. They are not meant for intercity travel etc. Often OLA scooters are catching up fire which is a big safety issue. Cover all the neagtive aspects of Evs also instead of promoting just good sides
Nice video! Good to see your channel covering more than just phones. Personally, ev still needs to mature so I don't see myself buying one for the next 5 years. After that, definitely planning to make the switch.
It would have been much better if you had covered battery replacement cost under warranty and without warranty. That cost also needs to be considered when we are comparing ICE with EV to find out average cost per km
Three things... First even the latest Ntorq and the Dio get the side stand warning (where the engines don't start till u put up the stand) secondly idk bout other scooters but the Dio doesn't get the kickstart because the new scooters don't need kickstart. Third... New scooters are getting keyless entry like cars where u just unlock thru the key and u can start the scooter without putting it in.(it uses proximity sensor )
Yes waiting for a real life user comparison of EVs. Which is the best? If you can please include the bikes and the not so popular but good vehicles / brands too. Thanks.
Gr8 job guys! Had a ton of questions & got clarified about 75%.. Solid insights provided in this session... look forward for a video on Hero's Vida nd Ather... Vida's removal battery system looks more exciting... Thanks n regards to the team😁👍🏻
Very nice and informative video
For all those who saying sponsored in the comment, well guys, they have clearly shown the broken Ola in the intro as well as comparison with ather. Pretty sure if it was sponsored, they would have mentioned it in the description as always.
Tbh In start you will face prblm with electric scooters as they are new in the 2w market but there are a lot of benefits... I have been riding ola s1 for 2 years small-small issues were there which come in every scooter but in terms of savings and experience it's too good compared to petrol scooter now I can never think of going back to petrol scooter.
Sponsored comment😂
If you make 10 videos in which 9 are sponsored and 1 is not (this video) you can't blame people for thinking this one is also sponsored. Just saying 🤗
@@paroxymal7688 Yes, you can blame people, especially if they are stupid to not read the obvious description and tags on a sponsored video and the absence of it on a non-sponsored video.
You heard the story of a boy who cried wolf , so you blame the villagers for not believing the boy .@@mg1721
Guys, let's Wait for the Activa ev or honda ev 😂
True. Honda the best
Reminder, it launched today and they are less than exciting 😂check it out
Finally honda EV launched
Did you really discarded all the mechanical engineering in ice scooter as Non Tech? Tech is not just electronics.
Hehe
ICE tech is a mechanical Genius
Lol yeah, there's so many technical things involved and he says "hardly any tech".
It seems like his channel TechWiser has hardly any knowledge of tech.
This video target normies people who don't care what's happening inside the motor and how well responsive feedback ICE machines provide.
Him just selecting an old outdated Activa proves it straight, why not go for TVS Ntorq, Yamaha Aerox, Hero Xoom or even Suzuki Burgman.
I will prefer using a better fun to ride, reliable and engaging machine which is proven to perform longer. You can't ride any EV right now full time on Hyper/Sport mode without having any range anxiety as they aren't refined enough to perform longer before throttling down eventually. ICE sport scooters can do anything while still being practical, I myself still love riding my 5yrs old BS4 Ntorq 125.
bhai itna nerdy hone ki jarurat nahi hai, non techy se mtlb tha uska ki software tech used + electricity, non techy se uska seedha mtlb tha ki petrol dalao chalao gaadi mast
All i can say Video is sponsored by OLA. We don't have any problem if you collaborate but don't lie
so what? I'm never going to chastise a person for making money. I'm sure if you had the opportunity to make money you'd take it. he made an effort to make this video and is a positive video but here you are bitching about how this is sponsored.
If a video is sponsored by the company that the video is about, then the RUclipsr should inform this before the video starts itself. Simple ethics.
Exactly. Well said. Anybody would have done the same thing. And yeah he never told to buy an ola specifically. And point to be mentioned that when you are sponsoring a companys product, you cannot compare it with others or make the other company's product inferior. If we had sponsered it, he would have mention it. We never know but i believe it was a honest review
I think ola have more Features compare to ather thats he talks more about ola
Didn't looked like sponsored to me
What most people don't factor in is the resale value of the vehicle.
Yes, EVs have lower running costs. But in all scenarios, petrol scooters have a higher resale value which eventually brings down the total cost of ownership over the lifecycle.
I have still not seen anybody talking about this or buying a used EV scooter.
Really hoping somebody will solve this question by sharing their experience
The reason for EV not penetrated the Used vehicle market is the time duration, ev have become main stream mostly after covid (less than 3 years) and not enough market saturation is reached for spare parts yet that people buy them for spare either. When battery recycling becomes are huge market due to EVs and environmental reason, the resale value of the Ev will only rise. You can take an example from US market with tesla, currently even a 5 yr old tesla resale value is higher than then purchased value due to battery, recycling and chip they contain. moreover Ev will get continued software support which make them more stable and add new features which might increase the resale value.
Even new teslas are going 20-30% below MSRP. Let alone second hand. you are talking about the post covid chip shortage era. Now the used market prices are plummeting like crazy.
And about software update..hardware can only support for a certain amount of years same like mobile. After that the company will stop giving updates just like our mobile phones. Just consider the ev as a big mobile phone. Ola will stop giving updates to gen1 scooter in coming years obviously same as motorola stops giving updates after some years
Newer ev technologies will be released in upcoming years. So the old ones will be left behind. So you have to upgrade to the newer model to enjoy more updates.
Imagine buying a 2016 Tesla model 3☠️
@@parikshithkrishnan3001 The reason that current tesla are selling lower than before is part chip shortage and part goverment rebates, My EV scooter costed 1.1 lac on road with rebate of fame 2 and no state subsidy but if i include state subsidy of let say delhi it would cost me around 90K on road which is almost same as a petrol scooter. Since then the fame subsidy is reduced and very soon it will be gone so does state rebates , I renewed my insurance and the new IDV max for my vehicle was 1.4 lac in just 1 and 1/2 yr. The same goes for earlier tesla where in california they had heavy state rebates which one doesnt add when calculating the resale value, if one adds that most tesla are second going for the same price as new one. Poeple may not buy a 2016 tesla because its 8 yrs old but most are still getting 2020 or 2021 model still. Moroever with poluution norms getting stricter anyway any vehicle older than 10-15 yrs will become inoperable in most countries.
Secondly when the market was new with a lot of gov help they could put better hardware and charge less from customer , with now lesser subsidy they are cutting in hardware too both ola , ather have done that with inferior electronics. with upgrades which are still laughable at best. (Ola replacing a 720p screen with 480p screen and ather going from 1 gb ram to 2 gb ram in 6 yrs). Newer technology will definetly come but most car manufacturer are making theoir current Ev with hardware which should support 5-8 yr into their future.
even phones which sees a rapid upgrade cycle of at max 2-3 yrs, has now has started giving updates for 5 yrs and in some cases like pixel 7 yrs software updates.
The progress in tech is slowing down with each year getting marginal updates that even big company like apple make major upgrade only after 3 product cycles at best.
The solution is there but in a different form , if you ride 50km in a day by 3 to 3.5 years you save enough money on petrol to buy a battery or a new ev . Assuming the price of petrol stays the same . So when somebody goes for resale of ICE scooter they get a good value that is used to buy a new vehicle in most cases. In ev you save that money by not buying petrol
Petrol scooters have higher resale value because there are too many of them, with adoption of EVs within 5 to 6 years their resale value will also improve.
So yes if ur planning to sell ur scooter within 4 to 5 years then ice vehicle is recommended
TVS iQube is more practical with no nonsense software problems like no touch screen, key start/stop, home chargers with no issue of earthing, no extra buttons(except reverse and hazard lights), and the most important proper service centres in every towns. What's your take guys?
TVS's service program doesn't extend to EVs, at least in my city.
Also, the price for that scooter is ridiculous. In no way anyone should look for THAT when Ola and Ather exist with good quality.
If you live in a Tier3 city like me, you're better off with a petrol vehicle imo, at least for the next 2-3 or even 5 years.
@@ArpitNahiMila True. I guess I will keep pedalling with my bicycle for the next 5 years or so. I don't want to go for anything oily. Maybe Yo DX+ might be a better option for me right now, since they have a service center near to where I stay. Won't need a license either.
Ride ather once
Most reliable no software bugs
Bajaj chetak is far better
and the build quality 🤌🤌 Also WARP@@abhishekps2609
Regenerative feature is quite impressive in ola ev
Have you tried ather's ?
yes it is,
However its not only ola that offers it, all electric vehicles can do so...
Not interested to spend 2 lakhs just for that regen feature which they call magic twist@@Ashutosh__Mishra
At the moment.
Petrol is better option than EV.
Battery replacement cost is one big reason
That's not the biggest problem.
The biggest problem is safety and infrastructure.
Mate it's literally 5-8 years depending on the brand what else do you need lol. Even petrol vehicles develop 10s of problems during that time
@I_killed_that_beard_guynot really with ather in pune at least.
I'm unsure if the people who claim that EVs have issues like battery replacement and infrastructure have even tried to explore EVs, just a little. If they did, they'd know they come with a replacement warranty and infrastructure is getting better by the day. Especially in big cities, while smaller cities might take a little longer for the charging infrastructure to expand. You honestly won't need it for the day to day. Cuz daily charging needs are easily met using the charger at home.
In states like Maharashtra, you've got a pretty good network of chargers that you can even travel outside city limits to other cities and places.
These guys are just exaggerating the electric scooters, batteries will be expensive and as you said batteries will degrade faster. Tell which lithium battery didn't go below 70% in three years and the promised range is never going to be accurate.
I can see the future (i.e. within 4-5 years) where about 50 to 60% vehicles on road are EVs.
Let's see how well both the scooters perform after 5 years. Activa is reliable, tried and tested. Too many fancy features means the probability of too many things going wrong and needing expensive repairs. EVs are still in their infancy, let's give it some more time.
Folks like you were the ones that said to use keypad phones because touchscreen will go bad in a while 😂 stay outdated but the world will move on. All the best
@@ayzu7670 ev sales are down globally and they're piling up in lots.
@@ayzu7670You think you are intelligent by judging someone ? He never said he is against EVs, it's just that it's in their initial phase and will need time to pick up...Yes, there are quite a lot of problems with electric scooters right now..If you think EVs are already ahead of other scooters in the segment, then you better call yourself a fool..
@@Vazhipokkannmy guy, you need to read the original comment again. The points mentioned are clearly against EV. The issue is that people haven't even tried or explored EVs and have "created" opinions. Ask people who use EV for their opinion, maybe even try them out.
Battery replacement cost is not added. Even for current price. In future the companies can loot you, like printer companies do with toner/cartridge system.
Footnote- "Software" hehe
Tbh In start you will face prblm with electric scooters as they are new in the 2w market but there are a lot of benefits... I have been riding ola s1 for 2 years small-small issues were there which come in every scooter but in terms of savings and experience it's too good compared to petrol scooter now I can never think of going back to petrol scooter.
Small issues came in every vehicle but exp of riding ev is best over it
My father also enjoys riding his s1 and he's so happy that he saved ₹25k of petrol
We are so habitual with petrol vehicles that switching to electric seems so difficult but trust me ev are better and I really love to ride my s1 air
💯 , I will never switch back to petrol
True bro, even my family felt awkward to drive my ola initially but they are now loving ev more than our old petrol scooter.
Do more EV coverage, let’s go.
Real problem is after 5 years you need new batteries and that is 40,000 Rs. I
"This is the beginning of much more EV content"
I'm all in for it 🤓
Hell yeah!!
@@pratikrai6407 🤓
Hell nah!!
Let's go!!!!
@@pankajshah2287 why tho?
Fun fact! Activa also has hill hold! You can activate it by pressing the rear brake lever all the way and pulling up the small lever behind it, and release the brake. Press the brake all the way and it will release.
These guys are noobies
I'm always shocked at how nobody mentions resale value of EVs. Nobody will even pay 30% of the original cost for an EV. Factor that in, and EVs defeat their own purpose of being environment friendly. ICE will easily last 20 years will good care.
Even if you keep the ev the battery life reduces after years of use and vehicle will need new batter which is 90% of the cost thats why noone wants used evs
I have a 13 year old activa still runs good no ev ever will work that long
@@sonudhami8217 Yeah and the EVs also charge subscription fees which can be increased whenever they please and you're stuck with it. Rich people toys.
I'm going to buy ev at 30% price🤭🤭
@@thinktank4070😂😂😂awesome bro🎉
I can bet that ola's or Ather's build quality is not better than activa. They might use better quality plastics but in terms of build quality activa still has the upper hand.
I own an ather and at 10k km and a total of 3 crashes and it still is not having any rattling noise and all. Having really good time with it.
😂😂buy a ather and you will know
Yeah build of ola is not upto activa but its repair is very cheap bcs it has plastic panels.. Bs 30 min mein change although mera kabhi accident nhi hua by gods grace
Of course there is no competition for the build quality of ice only bajaj can match it
i have both ola and activa and build quality of ola if preety good and it handles itself pretty well at high speeds of more than 80.I would never try to drive my activa at more than 60kmph.
Correction:
Warranty will be entertained below 70% capacity, not 80%
And 70% is quite less. Once a battery reaches soh below 70%, it degrades even faster.
Next, you don't need to kick the new activas anymore. They've upgraded them with fuel injected systems and do not cause issues in cold start.
These guys are just exaggerating the electric scooters, batteries will be expensive and as you said batteries will degrade faster.
@@Infoelan-hr2lz spare parts are expensive and nobody is talking about motor replacement cost
@@John-re9wz Motor replacement is vary rare situation, I have used two average quality 2000W electric scooters back in 2016 - 2020, I did more than 40,000 KM on each and even after I sold those I was in contact with the buyers and none of the those had motor changes or issues even with the hall sensors. The reason I sold was due to battery issues (Lead acid), One of those biks are now upgraded to 50ah Lion with fast charging and it is being heavily used.
I am in Sri Lanka and the electric bike prices are really high thesedays but my understanding is if you have a solar system at home, this is the cheapest method of transportation. 3-4 years of use will help you save the cost of the bike.
Take Care.
Ola s1x is 80K showroom not on-road. Onroad is around 90K +
Naas
Right
As a Ex-Ather Owner and Now Ola S1 Pro Gen 1 Owner i agree and Love EV's.
How do they compare?
Any reason for changing to Ola from ather?
Which is better 😊
You forgot the main issue!
The batter gets stolen, happened twice with me.
The other day i wasn't able to watch Techwiser's video on YT. I thought there's something wrong with my YT. Then i realised i enable Ad skip and sponsered skip option. 😅
I would like all EV review channel to add a section where they discuss range in different seasons and affect on battery in different seasons
EVs with battery swap like Gogoro can save charging time and solve range anxiety.
probably but how many people are willing to swap their brand new battery for small probablity that the new swapped battery will be a lot older
and with different aged battery your range will also differ so planning will become more tough
I thibk there should be 2 companies involved... 1 is ev vehicle manufacturer & 2nd is only battery manufacturer. Give a deposit amt for battery to battery manufacturer & keep swapping from same company. @@pinakinayak5278
you didnt mention insurance costs which are much higher than a normal scooter, almost 6k per year which basically offsets all savings gains made
Just bought my Ola S1X +
Trust me it's just amazing
Yes it ofcourse amazing, and great if you wanna save Money
but sadly, the practicality of EV SCOOTERS is really an issue, as their load carrying capacity is VERY LESS when compared to Petrol Scooty... It is NEVER AN ISSUE WITH EV CARS by the way.
The speed and Performance and range depletes a lot when 3 people are on the Scooty or when the load is very heavy
Mene dekha hai, people even go 150+KM on a Petrol scooty and with a lot of load.
EV SCOOTYS NEED EVEN MORE HIGH CAPACITY BATTERIES AND EVEN HIGH POWERED MOTORS TO match the practicality of Petrol Scooty.
@@YoungAtharva the power output of ev is unmatched (for my ola s1 atleast) yeah but the range drop due to load is high. (not an issue for me bcs i use for city rides)
@@aapkonkahalagayafon2270 vahi bol rha hoon mere Bhai, City Rides k liye EVs are best!
Load agr heavy bhi hai toh bhi it's fine agr city mei hi ride karna hai and distance bhi kam hai...
By the way HEAVY LOAD ki vajah se less power, less speed, less range milna, IS THE PROBLEM ONLY SCOOTYS,
EV CARS ARE FANTASTIC.
UN MEI YEH ISSUE HAI HI NHI, NO MATTER Puri gadi aur Dikki bhari hui ho, ya kitna bhi inclined ho,
THIS CAN BE Achieved ONLY WITH GREAT BATTERY PACK AND VERY HIGH PERFORMANCE MOTORS. Yeh EV CARS mei toh hai, But EV Scootys mei nhi hai
💯 True
I also have s1x+ man!
9:34 The effect was really good and unpredictable. Kudos to the editor.
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Nice to see your efforts.
Well done brother.
everything is all good but even after 1 lakh kilometers done the range / milage of an IC engine won't be as bad as an EV and at that time the battery will cost around a lakh to replace so the goods are not as good to make the switch now. even the EV will be much more valuable now after replace the battery the problems will start to arise and the coverage of the company will be gone too
It's the best time to buy EV because future will be electric only
This is the exact reason not to buying an EV now. Because in future it will become more stable, effective and safe.
EV Bikes are not suited for Indian climating conditions, since these scooters are exposed to dust, heat & rain. Battery has to be replaced every 5 - 7 yrs & that cost equals to a ICE scooter, adding to this is risk of catching Fire is always there.
It's very informative. Try to cover which EV was better to buy
We are thinking about either Ather vs Ola. Or which Ola to buy?
What do you suggest??
@@pratikrai6407 buy ather because build quality of ola is not good
Bro, good to go with Ola in terms of price, performance and range.
But obviously ola
No doubt man! Ola is better in everyway
I tried my Ola scooter.... The OLA just dosen't feel right in hands.... control, balance, Grip, is totally off. I don't feel confident riding an electric scooter compared to an petrol one. Maybe with time they will improve their body structure as well.
You should begin with ‘this video is sponsored by ola’.
Prove it
EVs price should come down at this price point EVs are not worth buying.
ather is better than ola...when compared to the two
Its a scooter not a spaceship. Why do you need touch screen ?. Imagine you need to use in diffrent conditions.
SPONSORED BY OLA 🤬🤬
Bik gaya tw😔
I don't think it's sponsored.. you can check the description
Ha to problem kya hai?
Sure
Even if it's sponsered,he said true things..
Battery cost after 5 years is about 60-70k even after warrenty😂😂☠️
these electric scooter companies are raising price af.
ather 450x is at 1.8lakh in my town and highest end with all features is 2lakh.
also any repair or damage costs will cost u another bang.
i really wanted to buy electric scooter but went for petrol.
I really considered buying Ola s1 pro few months back but stopped due to following reasons (correct me if im wrong)
- Very bad Service
- Battery replacement cost is high. Even if it offers warranty since the service centre are sloths it doesn't help.
- really struggle in uphill climb
- Takes charging time instead of seconds filling in petrol ones
- Even though it saves money in short term due to low charging money, in long term its nearly same as petrol scooters
- new and unfamiliar, cant go repair to any shops like in petrol ones.
- Weak body frame
He didn't bought the scooters. They gave them to him😂
We own it in the office. I personally own the Ather.
@@pratikrai6407 Damnnn u commented...keep good work u simplify things around tech so good being not so tech fan
As an Electric Vehicle Engineer, I suggest charge your battery only after draining to less than 20% and charge it until 80%. Every battery is designed for a fixed number of charging cycles. Each charging and discharging will consume 1 cycle of battery life. Therefore drain your EV battery completely before charging
I brought Okinawa ev bike my experience is a$$ worst service (they removed service centre from my town ) i have to go to other town. u will get 60-65% range only. No parts available at all they don't even lift my calls 🤬🤬🤬🤬
Why would you buy such brands in the first place bro ?
@@chiragtyagi6766 yeah I made a mistake 😕
Really appreciate your content bro..never saw anyone who covers all topics and cases we have in Electric & petrol scooters..
Well done ✅😊
"We're excited about tech" ***ignores that ICE engines are the biggest tech in the 21st century****
Clap clap clap! Amazing! 14 saal ke ho?
ICE just means "internal combustion engine" . That is exactly how majority of vehicles run. Get proper knowledge.
@@dineshdas8392 haha great work on expanding abbreviations but thats also tech
@@dineshdas8392 Just doesnt even cover the immense technology behind Internal combustion engines. There are thousands of moving parts all working perfectly in sync to move you and your stuff in super comfort. That itself is super technology.
Amazing video 👏🏻👏🏻 we want comparison also
My Active is 18 years old, lets see if any of your iPad EVs last that long
Awesome review ❤
Its important to state the terms and conditions of the 8years warranty on battery by OLA.
Its basically for 80k kms or 8 years.
So depending on your commute, it is covered maybe for 8 years only if you ride 30 km a day, everyday for the year = 11kms per year.
Not bad though, just stating.
Tech tip... Dont buy electric vehicle now as it is just a gimmick at the moment
10:08 There is no *Vroom Vroom* in an EV!
Recently saw a reddit post where a student was getting late for college, but got a software update on his ola scooter, and he was unable to start or cancel the update.
450x pro???😂😂
Yes yes been riding for 6 months now..
@@pratikrai6407 ather or ola? Which one do you suggest?
Wanted this real world comparison from so longgg, which even the dedicated Auto Channels couldn't give. Excited for the series
Vedio title says work not worth 😂
🤓☝🏻
In ur comment video is written as vedio 😂
Try calling a mechanic when your ev doesn't work. I'm sure after hearing answers from them you will surely call the towing company because no matter what software it uses or how advanced tech it has still petrol are scooters are way ahead. Because of reliability, service availability, fuel pumps everywhere, even a mechanic on call would tell you how to fix it and you are good to go... Above all they don't catch fire 😂😂
Next video request:-
1. How much it cost battery replacement and what are terms and conditions.
2.why it can't be hacked.
3.can we repair it??
I'll instead wait for 2 more years until EV peaks. PETROL scooter is far better in today's time
Seat Covers can be found in the Local Market as well.
Thats not a Con at all for Ather.
No thanks. I dont want my scooter to get hacked.
Thers a video online of a customer putting his electric scooter on fire becoz he was fed up with it being non-functioning and the poor customer service.
Don't buy a bike based on a tech review. Rely on auto reviewers. You are buying it to go from one place to another. Not listen to songs
Electric if-
1st 2 wheeler or
Daily use of more than 20km or
Solar panel is installed at home or
Only charging at home
Petrol if-
Already own a 2 wheeler
Not using daily
living in a remote location
For outstation trips
My 16 year old bike still gives me at least 60kmpl and runs smoothly. I spend barely 2000 a year on petrol. No point getting an electric other than to enjoy the feel.
Bro cannot even get a seat cover at a showroom, but he expects these companies to readily replace the battery 🤣
Range Anxiety, Software Bugs, Delicate plastics & expensive battery trumps every advantage EVs have over ICEs for me
There is a hand brake in every petrol scooties nowadays..so if we there in slope..we apply handbrake & voala.
We don't go for servicing every 3months.
Talking about subsidies once people start buying ev slowly subsidies will go away..
Lastly we are still dependent on non renewable source of energy like coal for electricity so EV is not clean.
For all those mentioning sponsored, I'll suggest watch this from a objective lens. It answers very serious question of even considering an EV in the first place, pros and cons etc. I have lots of questions and resistance to buy EV vehicle, but this can a step in the direction where one can atleast decide what their next 2 wheeler can be.
Literally me watching this video mid road with my Ola Stuck in the middle of the road due to its software issue
(Found this while searching For "How to fix this thing"):
you didn't do a cost comparison overall including battery replacement of EVs which cost 50% of the scooter price and the Petrol Scooties with servicing costs and replacement costs over the same period. How much does an user spend, what is the actual saving they get in EV even after battery replacement....that is the main deal for an ordinary customer. Otherwise an one time 70-80k replacement cost even after 5 yrs of usage hits hard to a middle class consumer. Also EVs have cons like rainy season time or flood time they can get damaged. They are not meant for intercity travel etc. Often OLA scooters are catching up fire which is a big safety issue. Cover all the neagtive aspects of Evs also instead of promoting just good sides
Nice video! Good to see your channel covering more than just phones. Personally, ev still needs to mature so I don't see myself buying one for the next 5 years. After that, definitely planning to make the switch.
Covered most of the topics man
Its really helpful for lot of unknowns or even who are thinking to buy
Great 👏🏻
He said good build quality and shows us small accident tearing off side panel. What should i believe?
Really informative, useful, clearing many doubts. Thank you!
Thanks for easy to understand clear cut info bro😁
100% sure it's sponsored by Ola 💯
If you have backbone then prove your point
In winters the range of EV drops by 20-30% 😊
1:30 that's a nice one that we will never forget to take the mobiles while going out😂
Isn't the charge per unit increase with the increasing of unit consumed within a month.
In electric vehicle, water can't enter in the exhaust due to water logging during rains..
Since I live in Gurgaon, it's a massive plus point for me.
It would have been much better if you had covered battery replacement cost under warranty and without warranty. That cost also needs to be considered when we are comparing ICE with EV to find out average cost per km
Three things... First even the latest Ntorq and the Dio get the side stand warning (where the engines don't start till u put up the stand) secondly idk bout other scooters but the Dio doesn't get the kickstart because the new scooters don't need kickstart. Third... New scooters are getting keyless entry like cars where u just unlock thru the key and u can start the scooter without putting it in.(it uses proximity sensor )
Boss. U R great ❤. Keep on going. Keep it up ❤
I have been using another for the last 8 months its just work its fast handling is as good as my duke 390
Last one minute conclusion is sharp and crisp. Buy it! ❤
New Activa also has the " open the stand to turn off the engine" feature
"You dont even need the key"
Proceeds to pull out phone to unlock scooter just like a key💀
Yes waiting for a real life user comparison of EVs. Which is the best? If you can please include the bikes and the not so popular but good vehicles / brands too. Thanks.
I think there is no good scooty left in India which is under 1 lakh, this guy is lying on price like we are all fools watching him!
you did not consider the price difference while calculating the cost, the extra cost paid for the ev will give some kms for petrol scooter
U were energetic...Cheers !! and thanks for all the input about both types of scooters.
This guy is showing 1,75,000/- Ola in video and saying 70,000/- for Ola
electric scooters are pretty cool when it comes to running cost
loved the video. please do more of such diverse tech content.
That disco lights makes party mode on!
Gr8 job guys! Had a ton of questions & got clarified about 75%.. Solid insights provided in this session... look forward for a video on Hero's Vida nd Ather... Vida's removal battery system looks more exciting... Thanks n regards to the team😁👍🏻
Great summarised content. Kudos to team
Biggest issue with e-scooter at the current time is lack of charging station networks (including high charging time) and not good resale value.
Thanks Techwiser for outing yourself as a corporate shill