TIG Settngs NOBODY is Talking About
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- The biggest kept secret of TIG settings finally revealed in the most straight up approach possible.
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Been a welder for the last 40 years, truest thing I have ever heard.
I have been high pressure certified since 1976. He has a point but as a teacher he should be smart enough to know that what people need and are looking for is what the different setting actually do. Eg what does up slope do to the weld. For all the time he wasted telling us that time and hands on experience is necessary he could have just as easily given some useful info. This video tells me he is trying to tell all that he is great and they arent. Total waste of my time
@@holmes1956O this video wasn't aimed at someone like yourself, it was aimed at the guy who's not long bought a machine for whatever purpose and only really knows how to turn it on. People of certain levels of experience will be after what each setting does. And in that case will be asking specific questions, like "what happens when I increase/decrease the upslope time?". They won't be asking what were your settings for that weld. A standard WPS sheet will have all the settings you need for a specific job, but without the experience or education there is next to no chance a beginner can compete the weld to spec. There needs to be a base of practical teaching of some kind (self taught and youtube videos included), and often many years of practice/ experience, otherwise the settings are just numbers.
The only reason you got what you did from the video is because that's what you wanted to get. If you already know all you need to know, why watch videos like this?
@@dave98765 you need to go back and actually read my post. It basically says what you are saying. A good educational video will try and tell the watcher what the setting are for what they do and how they will affect the weld. Without that knowledge the inexperienced will have a very hard time progressing
@@holmes1956O you were critical of a video for not being something it wasn't trying to be. He has plenty of videos explaining what the different settings and setups do. This video was about telling people they can have perfect settings and still have things not look right and that looking right is the secondary concern.
@@dave98765 so now you are just mouthing off to try and be something you arent. You keep this up and you will start to become a troll. Maybe thats what you are. Anyway have a happy holiday and get the fuck off my back. My opinion is what it is
You can have the same amp settings as Jimmy Page... but you're not gonna play guitar like him.
I wish I would have used this analogy 🤣
haha absolutely! people have been chasing EVH tone forever and even with all the same stuff, its not the same
haha, awesome analogy!!!!!
@Jonathan Spier to you I say go watch zakk wilde play black sabbaths NIB on a hello kitty guitar. It's all about what you can do with what you're using
@@TheFabricatorSeries HA HA thats what I kept thinking the whole time. Cause I play guitar and it has a huge learning curve. Been playing for 25 years and I am still not great.
Im a TIG welder also here in the Philippines. I fabricate stainless steel kitchen countertops for a living. I am one your big fans around the world. Thank you for sharing us your knowledge about TIG welding. I really appreciate it a lot sir. I hope to see you in person.
Biggest takeaway many don't understand...There is no substitute for experience! Skill isn't magic. That takes time and actually doing it, making mistakes and learning from them. Can't get that from reading a book or taking a class. Taking classes, being taught under a controlled situation is awesome but soon, if one intends to go further, class is over, get out there and do it.
Awesome video! Puts it out there under no uncertain terms. EXPERIENCE can't be replaced and that means doing something over and over and over again. Skill is developed.
I'm just starting to tig and this is exactly what I needed to hear. Watching your videos is very educational... Thanks
I can highly recommend the TFS class! I took it as an absolute beginner and left feeling like I had a basic knowledge level that I could build from. It really is all hands on and as such, the feedback is instant!
You are the first RUclips welder I started watching and your no bs way of things is why I stay so thank you
Jason, I feel your pain, and this was a great video. I was a basic welding trainer at a company I used to work for. Basic, light field repair type stuff. I took the approach of "it's all about puddle mgmt". I would explain how to make the puddle do different things, but in the end, it was up to the welder to "get it right". I just gave them the info on how to affect the puddle......... Great video my friend.
Great information,I just ordered a prime weld 225 my son and I are going to learn together. Great channel looking forward to learning
I'm planning to do the same thing with my 3 sons (daughter's not on board for some reason.) Teenagers should learn how to weld (amongst a bunch of other things, like shoot, fight, live outdoors, play an instrument, chainsaw stuff, type, etc.) They can be office workers later. But plant the seeds early while you can. "Make hay while the sun shines" is what my mom says. (BTW, the typing thing isn't a joke. Learning typing on a typewriter in grade 9 has saved me probably months of my life in wasted time.)
I remember when I started, I used to write down all of my mentors settings. 38 years later and I have to explain the same thing to all my apprentices. Welding becomes a feeling, like one with your surroundings. Sight and sound become your best tools. Muscle memory comes later with trial and error. Practice practice practice!
FINALLY! You've been saying this for years but not as succinctly as this video. I've been trying to give this same advice but you have done a better job than I ever could! I will be referring others to this particular video if you don't mind. Far too many novice TIG welders/students NEED to see and hear this. Thank you, Justin!
Right on point. It may be harsh but it's true. I've been a welder for more than a decade now and I still find time to practice to hone my skills and that's the reason why I watch these welding channels to gain more knowledge and tricks. Does help a lot. Great job.👍
You would probably need less practice if you knew where to start your settings at instead of just guessing and fucking up a million times like he wants us all to do.
Justin- I’ve been a fan for a few years and I really like your direct approach. For me, that has helped me be able to focus on what is important and just not trouble my mind with stuff that ain’t. I hope one day to come to Vegas for a few days of lessons. That is a bucket list thing for me. Keep it up.
very true, knew a guy who took a semester of college welding and his welds did not look very pretty, but they were strong and held up under some pretty harsh conditions.
I am just a beginner tig welder but I understand completely what you are saying that only practice can make a better welder. I bought a tig welder about 6 months ago just to be able to patch holes and fix props on my son’s boats. Played with it for a few minutes then was asked if I could weld aluminum and built a cart for the plant manager after only welding maybe two inches of aluminum previously. I am by no means a welder but I want to be able to fix things on my farm. Keep up the great work.
Been an aerospace certified welder for almost 20 years with 90% of that Aluminum GTAW. And I need to know those settings now..😁 Excellent video and Subbed!
true straight talk, no bs or crap rap music, competence without arrogance, i like that! thanks for taking the time do do this.
Great info. You will never mimick another's skill, you have to develop your own because everyone does thing in their own way, but they all lead to a successful sound weld. Such as 4+4 is still being 8, but 2+6 and 1+7 will give you the same outcome none the less.
I really like how you explained this! Thank you 👊
This info was trash. Settings are important.
@@ebogar42 Did you watch the video? What was said is that a YTer can't give you a specific number that will work for you, on your material, your style, your speed, your welder. And that you need to learn to pay attention to what's in front of you and not some magic number on the machine. As for them being important, yes, the ground rules, base settings - to get you in the ballpark are. As was clearly explained, too.
@@AntiVaganza There are specific numbers though. They're on the damn welder you're using. It will give you all the numbers you should be running for thickness of metal. And there are definitely PQRs you can use.
@@ebogar42 I mean... yes but actually no. Specially with GTAW. Theese specific numbers on that specific material works for that person and may not work for You. They can give You some inspiration let's say, but You must still read a puddle, and "fine tune" everything with Your hand and pedal if You use one.
And that was the whole idea behind the video. There are settings, yes. But there are also many variables that come to play. And now that's where it comes back to You.
So of course, get inspired by those numbers. I was insipred about them too, but I gave it a good amount of scrap material, lunch breaks and good hours after work to find where I need to be with those numbers and still... I gotta fine tune it with what I do.
Sometimes I don't give a damn and leave it at 80A (for example) all day. I just know I can't put that pedal to the metal on thinner stuff where about 40 is enough. But I'm not looking at the numbers on the machine but at the puddle. And that's it. Read the puddle.
You’re just an humor added makes the videos very captivating. I am motivated to keep on trying. I am good at doing everything but this is a tough one. I will get this
very well put, everything he says is right on the money. If you study, read, and watch every tig welding video for say 6 months, you will have a strong enough fundamental understanding to "know" why your welds aren't coming outright. Settings won't fix bad fit-ups, dirty aluminum, wrong torch angle, arc length etc,....
Have done most kinds of welding since the 70's Lots of tig in the last 15years too. Just bought a lovely Thermal arc all singing digital ac/dc machine. Never done alloy so had a few goes. This is why i watch your video's. I thought i had done it all until i had a pool of molten alloy on the floor. Thank you . keep up the good work. From the UK.
Well Said!!!! I am not a welder, however I do try to weld. Keep it real as you have. Giving the basics is excellent information for guys like me. At 67 going to Vegas for a course might be a bit late for me. You do a great job sir.
Tig welding steel vs aluminum requires a different configuration that i have not grasped as yet. I appreciate your plain flat out facts of the matter, fatherless young men would have heard what your saying from their dad. If folks keep trying and keep watching you they will pick it up.
Love your videos, they have helped me tremendously since I started tig welding... Seat time is the only way to progress in anything you learn.
Well said. I'm a 20 year structural welder and I still learn things
Thank you Jedi Mastah! You are our only hope.
Thank you sir 🙏. Pure honest talk.
You just hurt some feelings and made grown men cry. Imagine if this was a zoom meeting. Lots of screens would go blank lol
I just picked up the AHP you said wasn’t too bad, after one bottle of argon I feel like I have a pretty good grasp on all the different metals. I got a coping kit and a multi metal kit from weldmetals online it was definitely worth it
I just got an AHP as well. Started with weld metals online steel kit. Well worth the investment.
@@4WillyD you should try the multimetal kit 👍 titanium is super interesting!
I'm glad this is happening. Ive been at this for years. Slow and full.of trial and error. Wanting to expant my skill sets.
The information here was great. Life has too many variables and we've been programmed to the path of lease resistance. Fast food, fast cash, fast skills, and the truth about quality is the exact opposite. Thanks again.
new to welding man it sounds complicated all the way from South Africa enjoying your videos and trying to learn from them man you got skills.
Awsome to hear this. been welding for years and just start TIG 1 week ago. focus on your work not others. at the end of the day its your work piece not others. Practice. Try things. learn what they do for you.
Hey there... I've been watching your videos for sometime now.... I have to say... your explanations are well put together!
It made all the sense to me when you said, settings and fancy cups are not going to make you a better welder... I've been a finish carpenter for over 40 years... It's not about settings...
I recently purchased the Everlast 200 DV and got my Argon bottles filled and I'm ready to go... I've never tig welded before but I'm going for it...
It's all about practice as much as you can....and slight changes tell you what you need to improve upon...
I subscribed; best (non-welding) welding advice I've heard to date!
On the subject of settings. The first TIG welder I ever used about 30 years ago was an old Hobart from the 1940's or 50's. This machine was about 3' wide x 4-1/2' tall and about 6' long. It had a 25 gallon integrated water cooler. This Hobart was a dinosaur and it had practically zero settings other than amp output. It was a really smooth, easy to produce nice, proper welds machine. I'm glad I learned on that machine. As a beginner, I would have no idea what to do with all the setting on the Everlast 350 ext which I currently rock.
well said sir. video true for so many things in life. there is no easy button so don’t expect there to be. Time, practice, and knowledge will get you the skill and wisdom to perform.
Great video mate. I’m a sheet metal worker by trade, often I’ve finished a job earlier than I quoted and the customer says “oh, it was done quicker so you should charge me less for labour” and my response is “you aren’t paying for the time on the job, you’re paying for the time it’s taken me to practice and perfect my trade to do the job”. This is one of the reasons why this applies! I could tell the customer “2mm stainless steel butt joint, use 37 amps and keep pace with the weld pool” but I can guarantee they won’t do a good job.
Welding for a very long time... but I didn't hear you say " setting for one machine is usually different for the next machine.
I also heard him say settings aren't important which is bullshit.
@@ebogar42 settings are not incredibly important they are just a benchmark and can be messed around with to things that when you are being taught shouldnt work when you hear it. For example prior to my first job the hottest I had ever welded with MIG was 24.5 volts and about 450-485 wire feed speed on 3/8 plate then I get to my first job and I found out you can easily weld on 1/8 inch mild steel at 26 volts 585 wire feed speed and still have it look nice and not burn through that being said you are doing the boot scoot and boogy to out pace the heat.
@@zachpiller7653 I think I got you. I think my main issue is my pace. I'm too slow. I'm never pacing along. 😂
@@ebogar42 Yeah Im in my last week at my first job and its a fabshop that does a lot of production work and they quote the one off jobs and TIG jobs as MIG production jobs and it makes you learn to boogy along the fastest ive run was about 30 volts 850 ipm with a 3/8 weld sat on a stool with big caster wheels on it pushing myself along fairly quickly was a 100% weld that was about 7 feet long and had 90 parts to do.
Two different operators on the same machine can use different settings and achieve the same results
Great Honest Information !! 😊
Learn your basics, and then comes the dedicated seat time !!
No different than learning to play a guitar Etc.
“YOU MUST PAY YOUR DUES” 💯
Great video! I was fortunate to pick up Tig welding fairly fast with a good mentor. I've tried to pass it on to people interested, some great stick or mig welders, and I'm not a good teacher. But some just get it and some dont.
Justin, great video and information, have a Merry Christmas.....cheers from Orlando, Florida, Paul
Great analogy for settings. The greatest missing piece if knowledge I've found is what does the puddle look like.
Cannot find good video or photos of various puddles of starters/pros with explanations and yet the puddle will tell you everything that is happening and will happen.
Many settings can produce the same ideal puddle in context but steps on how to take puddle X and get it to ideal is missing out there. Eg, needs more amps, reduce argon flow.
Nicely put Justin 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
How true, how true! I am just beginning to learn tig welding and i watched a lot of videos. None of them were worth spit compared to 10 minutes of running a torch myself.
AMEN! I used to be a fairly decent TIG welder until I lost most of my vision. Still trying, but what makes it difficult is the difference of vision in my eyes. The left is 20/400 and the right is fairly useless. So, without depth perception, trying to get the filler ron to the puddle is time consuming. I had been welding mostly 4130 thin wall tube for dragsters but, this is impossible now. I just burn holes in the time it takes to get the filler rod to the puddle. If I spent a whole lot on a rig, I could have better control of the amperage and maybe do better, but for now I am just trying to lay a structurally competent bead in mild steel. It is not the settings, it is the welder. I have cheaters stacked on cheaters and wear reading glasses also. Just recently spent some real money on a hood that filters the light better, but that is an issue of my disability. I applaud this video as there is absolutely no substitute for experience and TIME with a torch in your hand. I learned TIG on a very old Marquette welder. Amperage was changed by where you plugged the power lead into the machine. Turn on the gas at the bottle and scratch start. TIG is like the old joke about the guy who is lost in NY city and asks a stranger how to get to Carnegie Hall. "Practice son, Practice!".....
I agree with for the most part. But full pinwelds using pulse having good settings helps a lot.
Where I feel social media has opened the trade to many who otherwise would have never been exposed, which is great. I also think it sets some unrealistic standards for inexperienced welders to try and achieve. They dont realize that the welds on Instagram is the 600th weld of the day that just turned out perfect while the other 599 were serviceable but not perfect. Or that the 15 minute perfect weld coupon on youtube was 6hrs of filming and human error was edited out. Again setting somewhat unrealistic standards for someone without 4000hrs of practice and experience. I applaud Justin and TFS for making this statement that needs to be made. And I think one of the greatest videos Ive ever seen was on the extreme coping challenge where you kept track of your fouled tungstens. Thats the reality new folks need to see. It takes time and patience for the good days to outnumber the bad in this trade.
I made a video saying very similar things and it's amazing how upset people get when it's not what they want to hear but it's what's actually going to help them
Best advice ever! You don't weld with the front panel. You weld with your torch, the arc, your filler, your eyes, and your hands. That's all you need. The rest is seasoning once you've perfected the basics of the dish.
Yeah, your heat settings, gas, and knowing the settings needed to run certain rods don't matter at all, huh?
A lot of the old tig welders like my old Linde don't have exact settings. You have a dial that is scaled between min and max and in my case, there are 3 settings for min amps but max possible amps for the top two are the same ~360 amps. So if you wanted more heat you turned up max amps and if you thought your ramp was too steep for what you are welding then you turn it down some. I don't have a readout that says how many amps are set and a lot of the old welders were that way. The new inverter welders are nice with digital settings for all of the parameters and the pulse and frequency settings on the inverters I think do help with some aluminum welds but a lot of parts have been tig welded without exact settings to go to.
Kudos for saying what people NEED to hear, not what they WANT to hear.
It’s the rules of thumb you mentioned that people need to know and understand. Amp per thou etc. Welding is a constant variable in reality. You just need to know what gets you started on your test setup. Thanks for making this video. I now have something to show people who think welding is like some kind of binary yes / no / on / off situation.
Justin... Gid bless you. As simple as that.
Can ask you to broadcast some mig welding
Looking forward to the next time I’m in Vegas so I can take a class
Yes! This is really good.
I don't make pretty welds, I have an angle grinder to fix that!
I also have no idea what my welder is doing while I am welding, I only know what the weld puddle is doing.
A couple decades ago I was teaching someone to drive. It took a similar level of explanation when I was asked "How far round do you turn the wheel to get the car around a corner?". My learner was looking for a position to turn the wheel to for each type of bend, corner, junction. Of course, all drivers know it doesn't work that way, but the learner didn't. It is the same with any feed back responsive skill, you can only respond to what is happening in front of you.
But I just wanna be an armchair welder on the weekend and fab up some cool stuff like you! I don’t want to have to waste my time with practice. I mean, you make it look sooooo easy! ;).
No substitute for practice. None. Why do you think it’s still called the medical practice?
I don't think I've ever heard a better explanation ! Some of these guys need to think of something they're already Good at and Realize how they Got Good At It. They may gave had some guidance but the rest comes from "Within"
This is exactly what I have tried to tell my apprentices for years, that i will teach you one way and some will teach you anther, it is up to you to find out what works for you, settings and technique.
Hi Justin one problem with what you'r saying is in the land of Australia is we are just getting foot pedal machine for the hobbiest. Up till not long ago we on had scatch start, so setting ment a lot more to us but in saying that practice has no replacment. Thank you for not bullshitting.
Sometimes the truth hurts. I’ve learned a lot from watching your videos. Like you said it doesn’t come together until you get the hood time and can read the puddle. Eventually you will be able to trouble shoot your own problems.
I bet it's easy to pick up doing it his way. Don't even tell his students any settings they should start out as or explain why they should be set there. Just go out and put the machine on whatever you want I suppose and figure it out yourself why your 3/32 rod is burning up set at 140.
Looking forward to scheduling a class in the next few months. Unfortunately, Covid had me unemployed for 13 months so need to save some duckets for all the different costs. It’s absolutely worth every Penny in my opinion, so I’m excited to see you in late June of July...no the heat won’t bother me, lived in Scottsdale for 20+ years. I hope a coupon or discount code pops up i between now and my registration, even if it’s only 10%...LOL. Thanks for doing this for in out here in the web-land. Tony “V” in the OC
This is why I struggled in college. I have the same opinion as you. My teacher only asked me about the settings. I told him what happens when I use a welder that doesn't tell me that information?
Wow I've watched for a while now and just realized you're in my backyard,,, Vegas baby!
I love your channel. It’s been my favorite thing on RUclips for years. I’ll come join you for a class soon hopefully. Thank you for the many years of knowledge you pass on to us “wanna-be’s “
1:48 you don't have to ask the pilot, the manufacturer determines a set of parameters which is ideal for landing that aircraft. He's coming in at a certain airspeed, at a specific descent angle, at a certain flap setting. Those are 100% parameters the pilot does not get to choose on the fly.
Just like there are a set of standardized parameters which work for most GTAW setups. Now, like the pilot example you can't run the aircraft into the ground, there is user skill required but there are a range of parameters that are going to allow the brand new student to have better success than they would otherwise.
No bs. LOVE IT!!! Thanks Justin.
I when I started tig welding I welded maybe 2 or 3 times a month it took about 3 years to get good at it so if your not doing it often don't expect it to happen over night you can over think it all you like but there's no substitute for practice. it takes time to be good at anything but the best thing you can learn is what not to do the rest is up to you.
Love this video the best education someone starting can get!
For me i compare it to driving a stick, i can explain it until im blue in the face but you wont know what your doing until you get behind the wheel and drive it. And tig sure is that way for me ive watched hours of videos from all sorts of welders and thought i had an idea of what it would be like. First time behind the lens and actually trying it i realized i had absolutely no idea of what i was getting into. But im picking it up slowly getting some of the basics down. I love the challenge
I’m ready!!
The best analogy Ive heard was in welding school. Learning how to weld is like learning how to drive a car. You can learn where the pedal is, what the speedometer means, etc., but theres no way to explain how to get your vehicle to 60mphs and maintain it. Yea you press the pedal but full send, halfway down, none of those will get your car to run at 60mph without you actually putting a seatbelt on and driving the car. Just have to put that hood on and dip that tungsten a couple times and go lol. This video will hopefully help alot of up and comers. Instagram welds are nice but focus on it being done right, pretty comes with time.
But you don't just get in a car and go 100 MPH either. It's like you all want us to believe you just turn on a welder and set it where you want, and your weld will come out perfect just as long as you weld it right. Settings matter a whole lot. Gas settings matter. Your amp settings matter. Too much gas will give you porosity. What is your suggestion when their gas is set on 50? Oh, it's not the machine, it's you? Or what if I'm burning a 3/32 rod at 140? It doesn't matter, huh?
@@ebogar42 never said you dont need to know those details. But theres no replacement for hands on.
Justin has a way to make the complex simple.
Fantastic videos and information. In doing some reading regarding brazing, some say stick with AC and others say use DC. What are your thoughts on the topic. Thanks from Canada
excellent video.
Thanks Justin
Well said sir!
Well said!
Yes of course, but... That's assuming that you set up your machine correctly before you start welding and forget all the settings on the machine behind you. And that's very important for a newbie. But nevertheless, you brings up a very very valid point.
I have to know where did you get the Bengerman
The only argument I can see really for asking for settings is just to make sure you are at the right starting point. Looking back and seeing the set back of starting off on the wrong foot can suck sometimes and just turn it into an uphill battle
Well said sir... well said👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks I really needed to hear that.
I asked that shiz when i started and a good buddy who is a pro came by and taught me that its all in the flow of the puddle. Thats it!
Justin AKA Boss Dawg Extraordinaire
This a a great information. I have a question about my wondering arc. It jumps from one plate to a other when welding a 90° please help
Thank you
Amen sir!!
Well said
I never knew that Deadpool was such a passionate welder and teacher.
THANK YOU
Amen! Preach it!
This is true even for many students in other fields these days. They are not interested in figuring out a problem, they want a cookbook style solution to the problem. Following a cookbook is something everyone can do but will never give you the results that you want. Putting in time and effort to understand what is happening, that is what will give good results. But now ... instant gratification is the goal. It's sad really ... Of course, there are those that do put in effort, and those typically are the students with the best results. But the percentage of these students is declining.
The answer to where the foot pedal is, it is where you can comfortly reach and control the weld. Any place that fits is correct.
This is what all of us new people needed to hear. Practice, practice and more practice. As you get time behind the hood then everything else becomes apparent
So I used to have a scratch start tig welder previously which was extremely difficult to get decent welds with (control wise, not looks), and now I switched to one with foot pedal and pulse and the whole nine yards.
One thing that became apparent for me is that all of the settings like base current and welding current with the pedal made me able to control it way easier and get a good understanding of the process that I never got to do before.
I find that pulse welding works very well for me with exhaust tubing as it doesn't overheat the material and stays a consistent temperature, took some time to dial it in, but now I get just the exact amount of penetration and also looks great too.
I am still learning to weld without pulse, but need to get larger filler wire for a high amp project coming up, as I will fix a crack in a 10mm thick metal piece. Considering my luck with the pulse feature, is there any reason not to use when going up in size? I know it takes more amps to melt, but it feels way more controlled and I can manage the heat input better that way.
Planning on running a wide puddle (high torch height) with lots of amps just to get a nice thick deep penetration through each pass. I feel like if I went with not as high amps but no pulse, I'd end up overheating the material sooner or later, and would have to reduce pedal input.
A lot of it is to do with muscle memory. I use most of the functions of my Dynasty 350 but I know what I'm trying to achieve and I know how to set the machine but in the end I'm concentrating on the weld puddle that's before me. I've got no idea what amps I'm using apart what I've set as a maximum. When you have been doing this a long time we don't even think what the left hand, right hand, foot on the pedal are doing, it's all happening in unison.
All so true.
Great video ☆ Amen
Go and do the trade as a Boilermaker like some of us have done then your welds might look better but believe me there is days your welds just don’t look like you won’t like in some positions out on site. 🇦🇺🧑🏭
Super true
This video made me laugh ( in a good way). How so so true 👍