Im not gonna lie, i always found it funny that people really thought he was gonna have connection with demons SOLELY because eyes and teeth on his visuals, when those are near perfect representation of the darker side of his artistic vision consuming him.
Well, that, and the fact that those colours are very close to demons we know, at least 2 of them. And the fact that Azakana are rampaging through the Ionia, attaching themselves to people like Hwei.
Nah but there was also a note on the Ekko game teasing another primordial demon next to Fiddle and Ashleesh which was described as a shut in with depression which fitted hwei's description
On the PBE, Jhin and Hwei have a quest, sort of how Vi/Cait and Jinx, or Lissandra and Ashe have, where one has to kill another with their ultimate. If Jhin wins, he gets 4.444 Lethality. If Hwei wins, he gets 3.33 Magic Pen. Making me think that Hwei's thing is 3.
Jhin is a mage. Well, not a mage mage, wizard kind of type. But he has magical powers. If you read his abilities you see that they say: ''Jhin imbues the final bullet with dark magics to critically strike.'' ''Jhin launches a MAGICAL cartridge.'' He may not be a mage who casts spells, but he has magical powers that he uses in his art.
I really don't think hwei needs to be connected to demons, he feels perfect as just an artist, he NEEDS to express himself not because he is forced to by others, but because he himself feels natural need to do it. If a demon was involved i actually think it would undermine his complex emotions.
@@penonoI mean technically in the blood moon lore they already did that, so I don't think they will do it, I want to know what Jhin's grand scheme is. But I feel we will never know what he plans, mostly because we probably can't comprehend it. But why involve hwei, why set him on this journey. Why is hwei step 4 of this specific act. Jhin is very particular about his plans being 4 steps, it's quite obvious that his 4 step is hwei
Jhin's nickname is literally called "the golden demon" and did influence Hwei in some ways. It doesn't have to be an ACTUAL demon since Jhin messed with his complex emotions like an actual demon so its pretty close imo. I'm pretty sure Jhin wants Hwei to pursue him so Hwei could create a path of destruction just to get some answers. Hwei is Jhin 4th tragedy in the making but it isn't certain yet until he finds him. There is alot of different directions this story could go so I'm super invested in it and I already fkin love Hwei as a champion. ... I just noticed all my favorite champs/lore are either crazy/depressed/tragic like Hwei, Vex, Jhin, Aphelios, Jinx, Zoe lmao
i think he wants answers but he already kinda know it, jhin freed him from his ties or chains to his duties since they were holding him back, now he can explore the potential jhin saw on him, he is free to explore his talent withuout retrains. Talking about it wouldnt have helped him, we are bound to be what others expect and dont prioritize our potential, but without a reason to stay he could trully be free. Destuction can be a new way to renew things, old ways or traditions are hard to change and leave little room for improvement. starting anew can bring something much better or worse, it all depends on what is painted on the new canvas.
Also fun fact about the very last bit with Jhin, his secondary role in the client is listed as a mage (or at least used to since idk if thats still there or not)
I think it would be really interesting if Sona was one of those people that were exiled from Hwei's temple for becoming too good at their mystical art. Sona being able to telepathically communicate, and force emotions and even body movements, on others through her music lines up exactly with the guidelines Hwei's story states are reasons for someone to be exiled from the temple.Then at some point after her exile, while she's wandering trying to find a new home, she gets picked up and brought to Demacia. And if Sona was part of the temple, that would open up the possibility that it's not explicitly a paint-magic temple, but an art-magic temple, and that there could be other future champions that were prior exiles from there with other art forms. Imagine a new champ that literally dances around the battlefield, or one that makes sculptures that come to life to fight for them, etc. Heck, maybe even Jhin was an exile playwright who was able to make his actors perform exactly as he wanted in a puppeteer type way against their wills, and he grew fascinated with tragedy plays and wants to make the whole world itself into one giant tragedy filled with death and beauty. Could even say that Sona managed to follow the "light" path and resist the temptations of the "dark", while Jhin was the opposite - falling fully into the "dark" and losing sight of the "light". While Hwei is now having to experience that struggle himself.
She came into Demacia as an orphan, so her being exiled as a child doesn't make much sense. What is more plausible imo, is that one (or both) of her parents attended the Koyehn temple, broke the rules and were exiled for it. Even exiled, they still practiced the magical art, eventually settling down, having a family and passing the art to their children - Sona. But as the Noxian invasion happened, Sona and her parents were separated, Sona made it to Demacia and to remember her parents, she kept practicing the art they taught her, without realizing that it's wrong and that she would be exiled for it, if she practiced it at the temple.
@@Donovarkhallum Yeah but you have to consider that her getting to Demacia could've taken years. Demacia and Ionia are far apart, separated not only by sea, but also by Noxus. To put it more into perspective, it's as if she went from Japan to Europe without modern means of transport during wartime and if Europe and Asia were at constant war with each other. Also, she most likely didn't want to reach Demacia as her destination, so she could've wondered for a very long time until she eventually ended up there (as opposed to her taking a straight line to Demacia, and even that would've taken months if everything went smooth).
I like that Hwei isnt connected to demons. We need to remember this about worldbuilding... just because it is there not all needs to be connected. A world isn't so small that every single things has to have a connection with it other. A balance must be struck with each new story, it is fun to make unexpected mixtures but it good too have "homegenious" situations. We got Nillah recently as someone with a direct connection to a demon... and even as a expansion of the world as she is from a new continent, i don't think that if Hwei did have a demon contract it would make his story bad, but i like that the "demon" he is connected too is in reality one of the well constructed "monsters" from universe. About Jhin's magic... i think he is a illusionist, his main form of damage is "physical" but he can imbue his weapons with magic to create images, and in the case of his lotus bombs they get empowered because they must be some sort of special "magitech", like hextech but Ionian in nature. We do know that the Kashuri armory was making very special weapons even by the standard of Piltover and Zaun, and Jhin having what i think is a genius level intellect he must be able to at least be able to replicated some of those weapons... but he is still connected to some of the inventors to replenish on new toys.
He does imbue his weapons with magic, at least, it´s stated like that in Zed's comic. Thats why when someone touches his art, it dissolves and shows the real massacre
Wouldn't it be crazy cool if the emotion magic thing Hwei and Sona have was the antithesis of the Demons? It would be dope what you can do with a demon and the ability to influence emotions via magic. Or maybe Demons ARE that magic (sry if I am out of the loop on a bit of lore)
IIRC Demons are heavily associated with emotions, especially when emotions run strong. Not necessarily only bad emotions either, but _all_ emotions. Nilah is associated with the Demon of Joy (and is even said to no longer have any other emotions than permanent joy), Evelynn is the Demon of Agony, Fiddlesticks is the Demon of Fear, etc. Meanwhile it seems like more "heavenly" beings/forces are often more serene and lacking emotions. The Aspects of Targon are often more muted in emotional capacity; like ASol, Taric, Leona, Diana, and Kayle are always pretty serene, and even Zoe is just mildly happy and not maniacally/insanely overly joyful. I even feel that Morgana, even though she's half Aspect, has much stronger and more outwardly shown hate towards Kayle than Kayle shows towards Morg, and Morgana is the one with heavier demonic themes.
@@LadyTsunade777 The part about Morgana is quite interesting, if having stronger emotions as an Aspect makes you more demonic. And yes, demons are tied to emotions, but then what would the magic Hwei and Sona use be in comparison? Maybe something cool can come up from it
@@LadyTsunade777 There are no ''bad'' emotions, no emotion is bad or good. And Asol isn't an aspect (hes a celestial and is someone who used to create stars before being imprisoned by Zoe) and he sure does show emotion and a lot of it, they all show emotion. Nilah being forever in a state of Joy quite literally harms her, she cannot feel another other emotion she cannot feel sadness she understands the concept and what it means to be sad but physically and emotionally cannot express the sadness or any other emotion. Demons target emotions as that is what fuels humans, you can manipulate how people feel quite easily and to then drain and feast upon that emotion they embody.
Maybe that wouldn't be so far away from the origins of Demons, I think. I believe Nocturne was "born" because many mages messed up with the shadow realms and their emotions start to "feed" that entity/power that eventually became known as Nocturne. The demons have to be born in some way. So the emotions of people like Sona and Hwei could very much be a kind of trigger for that. That's a possibility.
@@LadyTsunade777i would not put demon and aspect as opposite. They are two different being and they don’t seem to care about each other existence. Plus, aspect use to be human and are still subject to human emotion (Diana et Leona romance, Pantheon’s anger to the celestial, Zoe childishness) they are not apathetic at all, even kayle is angry at a lot of things
This whole romance thing seems like a huge reach to me. It does not make any sense for both of those characters to have any romantic feeling towards anyone.
Hwei is Jhin's art project. I think the disaster is Jhin's way of painting emotions onto Hwei so he can both unleash and give direction to his art. Or smth like that, we gotta wait and see.
Note that Jhin also destroyed Hwei's artistic restraints. The classical paintings, the masters and the temple are all manifestations of traditional artistic wisdom - i.e. what binds Hwei and holds him back from becoming the fourth piece in Jhin's art piece.
To the debate of it being a sorts of "romantic" obsession or not - I don't interpret it that way, but honestly, I feel like the writers want people to interpret Hwei and Jhin as they please. I think Hwei's mind is too complex and disturbed to be discerning those things clearly anyway.
@@fireemblemaddict128 While I don't think that will happen.... it's not impossible, knowing some champions got voiceline overhauls in the past. Still though, would be incredibly cool.
After many years Hwei finally manages to track down and ask Jhin a very important question. "Why did you do it?", asks Hwei. Jhin pauses for a moment and then turns to Hwei and says, "lol, lmao even" before swiftly taking his leave.
I just again wanted to say thank you for making these Lore videos. I really hope you continue to make these videos. I find them very helpful as a newcommer to League Lore. It's brilliantly fascinating and you do a very well job of telling the story. I saw from another video that you favor Bard, it very much shows and I am sure, Bard would be proud of you
Ionia is a land of Art. Hwei's painting Sona's music Irelia's dancing Yasuo's swordsmanship Jhin's killing Yi's Wuuju Everything in ionia comes down to art
One random thing that just came to mind in that the "ink circle" behind Hwei, besides looking like the Ouroboros, it also reminds me of the japanese "Ensō" ink circle. Please google it if you are interested, since the explanation would be a little long to write here. That Ensō circle has some interesting meanings in japanese culture. And since Ionia is basically the "Asia" of Runeterra, they may have took some inspiration from Ensō as well. If it's the case, maybe we can understand a little more of Hwei's art, his inspiration and his view of the world from there too. Also, the Ensō ink circle is related to Zen buddhism. And since Hwei was also in a Temple, that's another small connection there...
I kind of wished the bio (or video) went a bit more in depth with basically Hwei after the temple explosion. In the sense of him going around and either traumatizing people with his art by showing them atrocities or helping people. It's an interesting duality that fits with his character and something I think, at least the former, that Jhin brought out in him. I'm really interested to see where Hwei's story goes from here and I hope it isn't the last we hear from both Jhin and Hwei.
Yeah that's my favourite part about Hwei's bio/reveal. Always wondered what Jhin's bombs were meant to be. Always assumed they were some hextech fireworks- now I imagine they're infused with ink magic.
Everytime Jhin gets Lore connections, its always peak- Gahdamn. Also- Necrit. Have you watched the new videos on the Legends of Runeterra videos? Another chance to make a vid out of a ~1minute video!~
4:05 You know. It is the attention to detail. And the fact that you made the connection between their magic origins add so much more depth to the world.
I am relieved. Honestly. I think an artist doesn't need demons to have power and imagination. I think the artistic developers see him as a "self insert".
Now that i think of it, Hwei does know how Jhin looks under the mask. Technically so does Shen and Zed but they couldn't recognize him in a croud since he doesn't have noticeable features. Hwei spent some time with him talking and comparing art so would he be able to identify him? He could have had the mask on the entire time tho, specially since he introduced himself as his stage name Khada Jhin.
Hwei is step 4. In game, the two get passives when facing each other at level 12 (4 and 3 being present). If Hwei is able to ult Jhin to death, he shows him their skill and able to make Jhin cry from either the beauty or pain. If Jhin is able to ult Hwei to death, he makes Hwei his fourth piece and reaches his own twisted artistic talent as he puts an end to Hwei's.
One of the possibilities that you mentioned, that being a "person who dances around the battlefield" seems more akin to Irelia, given that her story seems to be themed around dancing with the blades
In league client, achievements section, Collection tab, you can see that Jhin is considered to be a Mage because he's listed in the Mage Specialist achievement, that always bothered me for some reason
Almost if not all in Ionia are mages they just work magic in different ways. If u see zed comic he can see the kids magic . They emerge at an early age. Every one in Ionia is a mageborn they can use it into a weapon like hextech type or they can use it directly like a traditional mage . Jhin uses his magic on his weapon to create art . His gun is his paint brush.
i need it in arcane season 3 please just imagine how gentle the colors would be the first half to the episode with jhin and hwei getting to know each other better then it cuts to black as hwei is asleep just to awake to the walls "so red with blood, flames, and... flowers." just imagine thousands of little explosions in a spider verse like art style
Jhin has always been sort of a mage. He gets his weapons from the Kashuri armory and that patron from Legends of Runeterra but he always makes the bullets and infuse them with magic. The gun has to be some sort of hextech weapon that unleashes the raw magic contained in the bullets in different shapes based on the design so that the flesh and innard of his victims turn into trees, flowers and other shapes + I believe he also uses some sort of ilusion to enhance the effect and dissapear when interacted with based on Zed's comic, tho maybe its all in his imagination and the victims only see gore. Also he has to be a mage because he was able to do similar things with knives before he escaped the prison and got upgraded with the new arsenal.
If you check the challenge for getting mastery 7 on mages, it lists the champions that fall under the classification. For quite some time now, I have wondered why Jhin was in there.
I wouldn't say that Hwei wouldn't face self improvement by killing Jhin, just that that's merely one of a pallet of possibilities that could unfold when they find eachother again.
Fun Fact: Jhin is already classifed as a mage by RIOT. In ur League Client go to collection - Champions and sort by role, scroll down till u get to Mage and there he is.
I was hoping he has nothing to do with demons tbh, thats nice having a character who struggles with emotions and not making it about a demon. We have so many "demon-enhanced" character already, if we have too much it would seem like having a demon is a regular thing happening in runeterra, almost making it look like its not dangerous.
this champ is clearly inspired by monkey island!!!! xD Same features. Riot made him a painter with brush.. the name of the main character of monkey island is called Guybrush xD
Hwei:"after all this years, I finally find you, why did you do all of this!"
Jhin: "It was funny"
i read this with Jhin voice and it made me laugh.
I beg you to redact your comment.
Jhin: I WAS THE FAST!
Bruhh 😂
Your honor, it was satire
Jhin has a quote "My work asks questions. It never has answers"
And now Jhin's work has left Hwei with so many questions and no answers
Hwei being step 4 makes his "3" gimmick all the more profound. Hwei's "3" number scheme represents what happens if Jhin's 4th act never comes to pass.
or hwei not knowing he is the 4th step and only seeing the 3 acts
together we are 7
Gotta have a backup plan.
Jhin really going through his Joker phase FR.
I caught a Lopunny, Camille
Jhin has always been the joker of LoL since his release in 2016 I fucking love e his lore, former jhin main if you didn't catch that lol
I like that there are no demons in the story. He feels like a counterpart to Jhin
Not a counterpart to Jhin, Hwei is Jhin in third phase, and Jhin is Hwei in fourth phase.
@@peacepham7838 ...counterpart as in their stories go together.
So this means Hwei is canonically Jhin's n°1 fan
Fun fact: Jhin is indeed classified as a Mage in the collection tab in the client.
Im not gonna lie, i always found it funny that people really thought he was gonna have connection with demons SOLELY because eyes and teeth on his visuals, when those are near perfect representation of the darker side of his artistic vision consuming him.
Tbh the only person I noticed to speculate this was Necrit himself xd
Well, that, and the fact that those colours are very close to demons we know, at least 2 of them.
And the fact that Azakana are rampaging through the Ionia, attaching themselves to people like Hwei.
Not solely but he's so egdy and powerful demon works really well to fit in both
It could have been both
Nah but there was also a note on the Ekko game teasing another primordial demon next to Fiddle and Ashleesh which was described as a shut in with depression which fitted hwei's description
I’ve been starving for this. Necrit blessing us all with quality content as per usual.
Necrit has blessed us with*
@@Kinta8888what they said was also correct
@@ratboygirl I already lost you at "they "
what? @@Kinta8888
Don't like. You were just starving for dis deek
On the PBE, Jhin and Hwei have a quest, sort of how Vi/Cait and Jinx, or Lissandra and Ashe have, where one has to kill another with their ultimate. If Jhin wins, he gets 4.444 Lethality. If Hwei wins, he gets 3.33 Magic Pen. Making me think that Hwei's thing is 3.
Hwei is Jhin in thrid phase, and Jhin is Hwei in fourth phase, if Hwei fell to dark side of the art.
Before Hwei Bio:
Oh, a demonic artist revenge story.
After Hwei Bio:
Oh, a depressed artist love story.
I don't really see the love part, more like artistic curiosity, currently Hwei only wants answers.
@@darkdrac7012could just be a love of art and artists
Jhin is a mage.
Well, not a mage mage, wizard kind of type.
But he has magical powers.
If you read his abilities you see that they say:
''Jhin imbues the final bullet with dark magics to critically strike.''
''Jhin launches a MAGICAL cartridge.''
He may not be a mage who casts spells, but he has magical powers that he uses in his art.
In the Zed comic Jhin had knives he imbued with his magic to commit his artsy murders too. That was before he got Whisper, his gun.
Jhin was also not a skilled gunman before getting whisper
@@Scyclo i mean he is an artist .. not a murderer 💀
@@yourmotherknows2410he kinda is
Gotta remember that Jhin's nickname was "the Golden Demon"
I really don't think hwei needs to be connected to demons, he feels perfect as just an artist, he NEEDS to express himself not because he is forced to by others, but because he himself feels natural need to do it. If a demon was involved i actually think it would undermine his complex emotions.
Well spoken
Plus demons are becoming oversaturated as of late, its getting boring.
tbh yeah same as jhin, hope they dont make demons the reason for his insanity, he perfectly fine with just being insane
The only demons he should have are his own, and how his power could slowly corrupt him into another jhin
@@penonoI mean technically in the blood moon lore they already did that, so I don't think they will do it, I want to know what Jhin's grand scheme is. But I feel we will never know what he plans, mostly because we probably can't comprehend it. But why involve hwei, why set him on this journey. Why is hwei step 4 of this specific act. Jhin is very particular about his plans being 4 steps, it's quite obvious that his 4 step is hwei
So Hwei is searching for jhin to understand what it was all four?
Peak comment
LOL
Jhin WANTS to be killed by Hwei. It would create another Jhin, continuing his legacy. That is step 4.
This is a pretty valid theory too. It's clear that hwei has the potential to become another jhin, which I think is his end goal.
I can now imagine a legendary skin for hwei that can change into either light or dark for the whole game (kind of like kayn&rhaast)
Support, vs MPC
If you get the dark version while playing sup you know you’re evil
In modern day league? that's an ultimate skin.
It would go against his own concept, not blending
Wonder if Jhin kept Hwei alive due to his simmilar passion for arts, or cause Hwei's name consists of 4 letters. 🤔
Technically Jhin is a mage, since he infused his daggers (first murder weapon) with magic and later the bullets for his ranged weapons.
Join second class in leauge is mage
Check it
@@tristancarter4324 and he also plays almost like a caster mage
Jhin's nickname is literally called "the golden demon" and did influence Hwei in some ways. It doesn't have to be an ACTUAL demon since Jhin messed with his complex emotions like an actual demon so its pretty close imo. I'm pretty sure Jhin wants Hwei to pursue him so Hwei could create a path of destruction just to get some answers. Hwei is Jhin 4th tragedy in the making but it isn't certain yet until he finds him. There is alot of different directions this story could go so I'm super invested in it and I already fkin love Hwei as a champion.
... I just noticed all my favorite champs/lore are either crazy/depressed/tragic like Hwei, Vex, Jhin, Aphelios, Jinx, Zoe lmao
finally jihns art was apprecieted
Hwei look at his destroyed village and be like: "Peak Arson! This is so peak 🥹"
i think he wants answers but he already kinda know it, jhin freed him from his ties or chains to his duties since they were holding him back, now he can explore the potential jhin saw on him, he is free to explore his talent withuout retrains. Talking about it wouldnt have helped him, we are bound to be what others expect and dont prioritize our potential, but without a reason to stay he could trully be free.
Destuction can be a new way to renew things, old ways or traditions are hard to change and leave little room for improvement. starting anew can bring something much better or worse, it all depends on what is painted on the new canvas.
Also fun fact about the very last bit with Jhin, his secondary role in the client is listed as a mage (or at least used to since idk if thats still there or not)
I'm pretty sure it was assassin
@@okaonis2280 nope, ik for certain it was mage lol
When release jhin his seacond role was assassin which is true when his 4R can one shot enemy adc
@@okaonis2280its mage now
Jhin: *destroys Hwei's home*
Hwei: beautiful... oh wait-- boo hoo.
I think it would be really interesting if Sona was one of those people that were exiled from Hwei's temple for becoming too good at their mystical art.
Sona being able to telepathically communicate, and force emotions and even body movements, on others through her music lines up exactly with the guidelines Hwei's story states are reasons for someone to be exiled from the temple.Then at some point after her exile, while she's wandering trying to find a new home, she gets picked up and brought to Demacia.
And if Sona was part of the temple, that would open up the possibility that it's not explicitly a paint-magic temple, but an art-magic temple, and that there could be other future champions that were prior exiles from there with other art forms. Imagine a new champ that literally dances around the battlefield, or one that makes sculptures that come to life to fight for them, etc.
Heck, maybe even Jhin was an exile playwright who was able to make his actors perform exactly as he wanted in a puppeteer type way against their wills, and he grew fascinated with tragedy plays and wants to make the whole world itself into one giant tragedy filled with death and beauty.
Could even say that Sona managed to follow the "light" path and resist the temptations of the "dark", while Jhin was the opposite - falling fully into the "dark" and losing sight of the "light". While Hwei is now having to experience that struggle himself.
Very cool ideas, Rito take notes pls
Interpretive dance champion pls. Lol
She came into Demacia as an orphan, so her being exiled as a child doesn't make much sense.
What is more plausible imo, is that one (or both) of her parents attended the Koyehn temple, broke the rules and were exiled for it. Even exiled, they still practiced the magical art, eventually settling down, having a family and passing the art to their children - Sona. But as the Noxian invasion happened, Sona and her parents were separated, Sona made it to Demacia and to remember her parents, she kept practicing the art they taught her, without realizing that it's wrong and that she would be exiled for it, if she practiced it at the temple.
@@GameboySR teenagers can be orphans
@@Donovarkhallum Yeah but you have to consider that her getting to Demacia could've taken years. Demacia and Ionia are far apart, separated not only by sea, but also by Noxus. To put it more into perspective, it's as if she went from Japan to Europe without modern means of transport during wartime and if Europe and Asia were at constant war with each other. Also, she most likely didn't want to reach Demacia as her destination, so she could've wondered for a very long time until she eventually ended up there (as opposed to her taking a straight line to Demacia, and even that would've taken months if everything went smooth).
I like that Hwei isnt connected to demons.
We need to remember this about worldbuilding... just because it is there not all needs to be connected.
A world isn't so small that every single things has to have a connection with it other.
A balance must be struck with each new story, it is fun to make unexpected mixtures but it good too have "homegenious" situations.
We got Nillah recently as someone with a direct connection to a demon... and even as a expansion of the world as she is from a new continent, i don't think that if Hwei did have a demon contract it would make his story bad, but i like that the "demon" he is connected too is in reality one of the well constructed "monsters" from universe.
About Jhin's magic... i think he is a illusionist, his main form of damage is "physical" but he can imbue his weapons with magic to create images, and in the case of his lotus bombs they get empowered because they must be some sort of special "magitech", like hextech but Ionian in nature.
We do know that the Kashuri armory was making very special weapons even by the standard of Piltover and Zaun, and Jhin having what i think is a genius level intellect he must be able to at least be able to replicated some of those weapons... but he is still connected to some of the inventors to replenish on new toys.
He does imbue his weapons with magic, at least, it´s stated like that in Zed's comic. Thats why when someone touches his art, it dissolves and shows the real massacre
Wouldn't it be crazy cool if the emotion magic thing Hwei and Sona have was the antithesis of the Demons? It would be dope what you can do with a demon and the ability to influence emotions via magic. Or maybe Demons ARE that magic (sry if I am out of the loop on a bit of lore)
IIRC Demons are heavily associated with emotions, especially when emotions run strong. Not necessarily only bad emotions either, but _all_ emotions.
Nilah is associated with the Demon of Joy (and is even said to no longer have any other emotions than permanent joy), Evelynn is the Demon of Agony, Fiddlesticks is the Demon of Fear, etc.
Meanwhile it seems like more "heavenly" beings/forces are often more serene and lacking emotions. The Aspects of Targon are often more muted in emotional capacity; like ASol, Taric, Leona, Diana, and Kayle are always pretty serene, and even Zoe is just mildly happy and not maniacally/insanely overly joyful. I even feel that Morgana, even though she's half Aspect, has much stronger and more outwardly shown hate towards Kayle than Kayle shows towards Morg, and Morgana is the one with heavier demonic themes.
@@LadyTsunade777 The part about Morgana is quite interesting, if having stronger emotions as an Aspect makes you more demonic. And yes, demons are tied to emotions, but then what would the magic Hwei and Sona use be in comparison? Maybe something cool can come up from it
@@LadyTsunade777 There are no ''bad'' emotions, no emotion is bad or good. And Asol isn't an aspect (hes a celestial and is someone who used to create stars before being imprisoned by Zoe) and he sure does show emotion and a lot of it, they all show emotion. Nilah being forever in a state of Joy quite literally harms her, she cannot feel another other emotion she cannot feel sadness she understands the concept and what it means to be sad but physically and emotionally cannot express the sadness or any other emotion. Demons target emotions as that is what fuels humans, you can manipulate how people feel quite easily and to then drain and feast upon that emotion they embody.
Maybe that wouldn't be so far away from the origins of Demons, I think. I believe Nocturne was "born" because many mages messed up with the shadow realms and their emotions start to "feed" that entity/power that eventually became known as Nocturne.
The demons have to be born in some way. So the emotions of people like Sona and Hwei could very much be a kind of trigger for that. That's a possibility.
@@LadyTsunade777i would not put demon and aspect as opposite. They are two different being and they don’t seem to care about each other existence. Plus, aspect use to be human and are still subject to human emotion (Diana et Leona romance, Pantheon’s anger to the celestial, Zoe childishness) they are not apathetic at all, even kayle is angry at a lot of things
Dope ass champion. The Vex OTP in me makes me especially dig his gloominess, green hair, and fear as well!
0:18 >:(
@@Gloomisticlol
I defintely see it more as a student finally having his eyes be open by a master and less of a romantic thing but to each his own.
Jhin awoken something deep inside him.
This whole romance thing seems like a huge reach to me. It does not make any sense for both of those characters to have any romantic feeling towards anyone.
@@itsgonnabeokay9341Jhin no, for sure. But I can easily see Hwei falling for someone he though understood his art.
@@ninjatoriumnova2483 No. Hwei's whole theme is art and his obsession with it. Making it about human relationship wouldn't make sense.
@@itsgonnabeokay9341 Art is intrinsically a human thing.
The best way I can describe their relationship is will and Hannibal in the Hannibal TV show
Hwei is Jhin's art project. I think the disaster is Jhin's way of painting emotions onto Hwei so he can both unleash and give direction to his art. Or smth like that, we gotta wait and see.
Note that Jhin also destroyed Hwei's artistic restraints. The classical paintings, the masters and the temple are all manifestations of traditional artistic wisdom - i.e. what binds Hwei and holds him back from becoming the fourth piece in Jhin's art piece.
To the debate of it being a sorts of "romantic" obsession or not - I don't interpret it that way, but honestly, I feel like the writers want people to interpret Hwei and Jhin as they please. I think Hwei's mind is too complex and disturbed to be discerning those things clearly anyway.
What I NEED is new voicelines for Jhin to Hwei.
@@fireemblemaddict128 While I don't think that will happen.... it's not impossible, knowing some champions got voiceline overhauls in the past. Still though, would be incredibly cool.
I agree, I love a good tragic romance as much as the next guy but I feel its more interesting when the situation is too complex to have a label.
I don’t think Jhin had some romantic feelings towards Hwei
@@fireemblemaddict128 might take some time Jhin's VA is facing some issues thats why Asol's VA did the voice acting for Jhin in LoR
A small thing to note is that the temple massacre was Jhin's first performance after being freed from Tuula
Riot drops an arcane teaser: 20 MIN VIEDO LETS GO!!!
Riot drops new lore: yeah 13min... I guess.
After many years Hwei finally manages to track down and ask Jhin a very important question. "Why did you do it?", asks Hwei. Jhin pauses for a moment and then turns to Hwei and says, "lol, lmao even" before swiftly taking his leave.
I just again wanted to say thank you for making these Lore videos. I really hope you continue to make these videos. I find them very helpful as a newcommer to League Lore. It's brilliantly fascinating and you do a very well job of telling the story. I saw from another video that you favor Bard, it very much shows and I am sure, Bard would be proud of you
And eventually, his genius was finally understood.
Ionia is a land of Art.
Hwei's painting
Sona's music
Irelia's dancing
Yasuo's swordsmanship
Jhin's killing
Yi's Wuuju
Everything in ionia comes down to art
As a Jhin main, I like this. That splash art is so beautiful btw.
One random thing that just came to mind in that the "ink circle" behind Hwei, besides looking like the Ouroboros, it also reminds me of the japanese "Ensō" ink circle. Please google it if you are interested, since the explanation would be a little long to write here.
That Ensō circle has some interesting meanings in japanese culture. And since Ionia is basically the "Asia" of Runeterra, they may have took some inspiration from Ensō as well. If it's the case, maybe we can understand a little more of Hwei's art, his inspiration and his view of the world from there too.
Also, the Ensō ink circle is related to Zen buddhism. And since Hwei was also in a Temple, that's another small connection there...
Well the thing behind hwei also has a purpose it's where he gets his seemingly endless ink from for his ink magic
They are the Hannibal Lecter and Will Graham of Runeterra
One rioter said on reddit or twitter i dont remember that they never planned to connect hwei to any demons
I kind of wished the bio (or video) went a bit more in depth with basically Hwei after the temple explosion. In the sense of him going around and either traumatizing people with his art by showing them atrocities or helping people. It's an interesting duality that fits with his character and something I think, at least the former, that Jhin brought out in him. I'm really interested to see where Hwei's story goes from here and I hope it isn't the last we hear from both Jhin and Hwei.
Yeah that's my favourite part about Hwei's bio/reveal. Always wondered what Jhin's bombs were meant to be. Always assumed they were some hextech fireworks- now I imagine they're infused with ink magic.
I mean, camilles eyes did turn blue in the awaken cinematic after seeing the traps. Refrencing her passive
Everytime Jhin gets Lore connections, its always peak- Gahdamn.
Also- Necrit. Have you watched the new videos on the Legends of Runeterra videos?
Another chance to make a vid out of a ~1minute video!~
It makes me wonder if the Jhin teaser shows the 4 masters getting turned into "art". It's 4 different people in the teaser.
True it wasn't the 4 champs like in the teasers up to his release
3:58 "the cool thing about this is sona is orphan" XD
Jhin has been listed as a mage in the list of champions on the client for bare time, thats crazy
11:28 he IS his rival though...
there is literally a whole in-game event where they have to kill each other
Necrit actually found the hwei
4:05
You know. It is the attention to detail. And the fact that you made the connection between their magic origins add so much more depth to the world.
Omg, Necrit, you have such a great voice and charisma to read stories, i wish i could have audio book read by you
So if we no longer get written medium like color stories, does that mean we will get a cinematic for hwei?
I feel like jhin WANTED his step four to be hwei killing him...
I am relieved. Honestly. I think an artist doesn't need demons to have power and imagination. I think the artistic developers see him as a "self insert".
2:37 he kinda looks like Victor in Arcane 🧐
I feel like Jhin did this to make an artist he felt was worthy to out shine him and take his place or kill him
Now that i think of it, Hwei does know how Jhin looks under the mask. Technically so does Shen and Zed but they couldn't recognize him in a croud since he doesn't have noticeable features. Hwei spent some time with him talking and comparing art so would he be able to identify him? He could have had the mask on the entire time tho, specially since he introduced himself as his stage name Khada Jhin.
Even if there are no other Demons in Hwei's story, there is always The Golden Demon. 😎
Hwei is step 4.
In game, the two get passives when facing each other at level 12 (4 and 3 being present). If Hwei is able to ult Jhin to death, he shows him their skill and able to make Jhin cry from either the beauty or pain. If Jhin is able to ult Hwei to death, he makes Hwei his fourth piece and reaches his own twisted artistic talent as he puts an end to Hwei's.
I love how Necrit's eyes glow up when he said :"Its lore accurate"
I have i serious insomnia that i can't handle without medication , but somehow, your voice helps me so much falling in sleep, thank you.
happy to hear sona mentioned ♡ thank you necrit
One of the possibilities that you mentioned, that being a "person who dances around the battlefield" seems more akin to Irelia, given that her story seems to be themed around dancing with the blades
I saw some cute fanart of Sett comissioning Hwei and paying him in Arena tickets
I'm RELIEVED about no demons, let Jhin be insane on his own right!
Horray! I was waiting for Necrit to talk more about Hwei, but I'm surprised I'm this early :D
in the league client jhin is actually classified as a mage and i never understood why untill this point
I missed these kind of videos tbh. Long time fan here.
In league client, achievements section, Collection tab, you can see that Jhin is considered to be a Mage because he's listed in the Mage Specialist achievement, that always bothered me for some reason
Almost if not all in Ionia are mages they just work magic in different ways. If u see zed comic he can see the kids magic . They emerge at an early age. Every one in Ionia is a mageborn they can use it into a weapon like hextech type or they can use it directly like a traditional mage . Jhin uses his magic on his weapon to create art . His gun is his paint brush.
Still surprised that people don't talk much about AP Jhin except for Jhin.exe videos
i need it in arcane season 3 please just imagine how gentle the colors would be the first half to the episode with jhin and hwei getting to know each other better then it cuts to black as hwei is asleep just to awake to the walls "so red with blood, flames, and... flowers." just imagine thousands of little explosions in a spider verse like art style
Jhin has always been sort of a mage. He gets his weapons from the Kashuri armory and that patron from Legends of Runeterra but he always makes the bullets and infuse them with magic. The gun has to be some sort of hextech weapon that unleashes the raw magic contained in the bullets in different shapes based on the design so that the flesh and innard of his victims turn into trees, flowers and other shapes + I believe he also uses some sort of ilusion to enhance the effect and dissapear when interacted with based on Zed's comic, tho maybe its all in his imagination and the victims only see gore. Also he has to be a mage because he was able to do similar things with knives before he escaped the prison and got upgraded with the new arsenal.
If you check the challenge for getting mastery 7 on mages, it lists the champions that fall under the classification. For quite some time now, I have wondered why Jhin was in there.
I wouldn't say that Hwei wouldn't face self improvement by killing Jhin, just that that's merely one of a pallet of possibilities that could unfold when they find eachother again.
Them f*king passionately is also an interesting possibility o_o
Thats why we find Jhin at the Mage section in the client xd
I would think they're actual rivals since in the game if Hwei kills Jhin and vice versa they get a buff
I just realised something. Hwei has a choker. My man will be on hearsteels second album together won’t he 💀.
Not good clothing design, however the silhouette in gane is amazing, and his lore is pure fire, that clothing design just really need some upgrades
It looks great in the splash art, but the in-game model isn’t great, true…
Jhin is definitely a mage and his signature spell is gun
His gun is like his wand .
Jhin is actually classified as a mage in the collection tab of the client.
If he had demon connections I would’ve loved for him to interact with Nilah for example
They both have 4 letter names.
Fun Fact: Jhin is already classifed as a mage by RIOT. In ur League Client go to collection - Champions and sort by role, scroll down till u get to Mage and there he is.
Probably because hes a catcher and there really arent any physical catchers (unless there is more and I forgor)
We waitin mordekaiser story cmon necrit boy
Hm, interesting tale, i wonder where it will go and what it will mean for Jhin.
IV BEEN GONE FROM LEAGE FOR 5 MONTHS. AND MORD GOT NEW LORE?!?! WHAT
I thought he’d be paired with the demon of despair thought that would be pretty cool but the story we got is cool too
Just as jhin is just a crazy and insane man so is hwei a crazy and insane man.
I can't believe we got a good story, ...... it was years :°
whats good about it ? its a 1/10 story at max
@@creepcracker I don't know about you dude, but it was good, not the best, but still good 7/10
So what you're sayings is jhin knows the Hwei
I was hoping he has nothing to do with demons tbh, thats nice having a character who struggles with emotions and not making it about a demon. We have so many "demon-enhanced" character already, if we have too much it would seem like having a demon is a regular thing happening in runeterra, almost making it look like its not dangerous.
12:35 Isn't it because his weapons are enchanted?
Idk about that demon thing, it looked like a longshot from the start
the dude just wants Jhin autograph
this champ is clearly inspired by monkey island!!!! xD
Same features. Riot made him a painter with brush.. the name of the main character of monkey island is called Guybrush xD
it actually is lore accurate, jhin got the weapons later on. the traps are his original stuff i think