Only if you promise no more selling your soul to corporate sponsorships, also you should cover the various different creatures in the Sonic games like Iblis or Dark Gaia.
@@JonSolo Thank you for covering one of my favorite creatures in myths and legends I really appreciate it😂❤ are their going to be more Japanese legends in the future.
@@spicybeantofu ur just a trolling hater. Cuz most don’t do what he does and have the consideration to try to learn to pronounce different languages for his viewers and if you have a problem with him adapting and including other cultures and races languages; that’s on ur small dumb brain.
I love that he does it too but also I personally don't think it's disrespectful/respectful unless it's someone's name to at least try. A lot of people within the same culture pronounce things differently anyways, which is probably why none natives get so confused haha but I still respect that he wants to put his best foot forward
One of the messed up things about the "seizure episode", is that the sequence with the flashing lights was actually caused by Pikachu, but the entire Porygon family were the ones that got banned from the anime. Porygon had a few, very brief, cameos, and the only appearances Porygon-2 and Porygon-Z ever got were a blink-and-you-miss it cameo in one movie for barely a second. There's so, so many creatures from Japanese folklore that could be covered. One that comes to mind is the inspiration for Misdreavus that's a woman's head that comes off her body and floats around the house at night.
I was thinking that too. I would imagine creating the scene wouldn't be risky, just going frame by frame and changing the color wouldn't trigger anything... but they obviously had to watch it at least once in real-time before they gave it the final stamp of approval, right? you'd think someone would have been triggered or at least felt like their eyes were gonna blow up like mine did.
I wonder if after that, anime was restricted in the lights and flashes it could use. Or, at the very least, were required by law to post warnings about scenes causing epilepsy at the beginning of shows
@@Embermoon91 Pokémon Shock also affected video games. Also, Porygon and its evolutions were victims of circumstance as the former happened to be the Pokémon of the Week.
FINALLY, another yōkai! 🙌🏽 Something else to remember, Japanese doesn't necessarily do plural nouns in the same way English does. So one kitsune, two kitsune, many kitsune. Just like our words for deer and moose. But the pronunciation is definitely something western speakers seem to struggle with, so I wouldn't worry about it as long as you try your best and don't go way off the rails and do something like say kamikaze "came-y kays." Yes, I've heard someone say that.
If you give a fox a statue, it will want a horse ride. If you give a fox a horse ride, it will want nine tails. If you give a fox nine tails, it will want godhood.
I was born in Japan. I love it when you talk about Japanese folklore. Btw, your pronunciation of kitsune is pretty good for a gaijin. Don't worry about anyone giving you a hard time..
It could be spoken with different dialects too! You are not lazy dude, how can anyone say that?? You clearly put so much effort forth and I love your content!!!
Dialects are the biggest reason I don't sweat pronunciation unless I'm talking to someone who is actually fluent (not just repeating what they heard from an online source).
I was thinking that when listening to the different ways it's pronounced. Just about every language spoken by millions of people out there has different dialects; the way the language instructors (both human and electronic) pronounce the word is just one way of pronouncing it. Look at the English language. You have different dialects from each country that speaks it, not to mention certain terms found only in certain countries or regions of that country. For example, the rear storage of a car is called a "trunk" in the U.S., but it's called "boot" in the U.K. Likewise, the part that covers the engine is called a "hood" in the U.S., but "bonnet" in the U.K.
That's the thing with a lot of older nations, travel used to be a lot harder so dialects, especially in Europe popped up naturally, often sounding like completely separate languages.
"Kitsune" is not Japanese script, it's Latin. All you have to do is stop calling 700 000 000 people "non-Americans" because to you they're jsut avocado-picking animals, and learn the LATIN pronunciation. That people were kind enough to transcript Japanese words INTO, including 狐. It jsut seems like a lot of effort dedicated TO being lazy. You seem federally hell-bent on treating Latin script as footnote to what it means to live on this continent, and instead create a divide unlike anything seen in Africa or Asia. Where "American" is a privilege only to federal subjects, while IMPERIAL subjects harvest your food without the protection of labor laws YOU could be voting for. And they cannot, because USA doesn't even uphold fair cross-national trade treaties. They have some sort of FAKE American rights for fake Latin America, because they don't swear fealty to ONE federal empire. That can't even pronounce how its words are written. Starting with the fact, that English never was successful in inventing a written form so now you have to play games wriiting "keet-soo-nay" or "keat-snoo" or whahtever, pretend THOSE ones are the "more accurate" depiction. Because YOU KNOW that "kitsune" already utterly fails to replicate the sounds you pretend to understand through these written forms.
If I could subscribe twice I would. Kitsunes have always been among my favorite topics in folklore. I would love to see The Messed Up Origins of other yokai, kappa, dragons, and maybe even Sumerian Mythology at some point. Jon Shot First!
I played both games in Japanese version knowing next to nothing about Japanese language. Answering the fox quiz correctly was really hard! Even the guide I had didn't help since it was made for the American version.
I love how you try so hard to get the words right. You even show your work. As an American myself, I understand the struggle of learning a foreign language. My American tongue just can move like it needs to to pronounce certain words.
You are saying it very well. Some people will sound like they say it Kitsne because the U is very soft but it is there. It’s like Desu. It sounds like Dess often because the u is a soft sound, you will also find some people say it more pronounced at times, both are correct so don’t worry I think you say it perfectly fine. Just try to say it with a relaxed tongue. Google is usually fine for single word pronunciation checking
Some people just don’t understand that every language has so many accents and sounds depending on so many factors. Look at English, leading it from different places creates an accent so don’t worry.
Dont forget, that even though they might spell it the same there is still regional accents in Japan with how they pronounce their words, so phonetics might not always be the same.
it's been on my watchlist forever but this is the first time someone's actually recommended it or said anything good about it, so now I've got some more motivation to check it out :)
I had first discovered the existence of kitsunes, because of Vulpix and Ninetales from Pokémon. I'm very glad that there's another Messed-Up Origins episode about Japanese flolklore. I would also like to see an episode about Ciptali, who is a sea monster from Aztec mythology.
I would love to see more on Japanese folklore and mythology. All the different yokai and how they appear in modern anime and manga, as well as some of the main characters of Japanese folklore and mythology, like Kintaro. In relation to your other video about the tanuki, there's actually a black-and-white cartoon that was released in 1933 titled "Ugokie-K-Ri-No-Tatehiki", which roughly translates to "Moving Picture - Fox Vs. Tanuki, Pulling Pranks". It was produced by Toho Studios, who would, two decades later, launch the kaiju genre with the first Gojira (Godzilla) film in 1954. There are several uploads of it on RUclips.
The pronunciation issue could also come down to dialect. Depending on where the person you ask grew up, they could pronounce or even have unique words to their home region.
So fun fact about the episode of Pokémon you mentioned, it could also have taken inspiration from Hachiko. He was the real life dog who waited at the same train station for his owner for 9 years unaware that his owner died suddenly while at work. Hachiko would actually be an interesting video idea too, there is a famous statue of him in Japan and Koromaru is Persona 3 is based on Hachiko.
As of 6:14 you're doing fine pronouncing it the way most non-native Japanese people pronounce it. The e in the end is audible and the i is pronounced correctly too. I think, in Japanese, the stress on tsu is a bit less than ki and ne. The u is not gone, at least I pronounce it, and I think it is better to pronounce it than to not pronounce it. Passing grade from me on pronounciation so far. It doesn't need to be perfect. Jon is not a native Japanese speaker, and (I assume) hasn't studied the language. All that considered, no one will hear me complaining.
I have always found futakuchi-onna to be both intriguing and terrifying. They're not normally covered, but there was one in Ms. Perigrine's Home for Peculiar Children.
@@allaniadall9686 The little girl who had a mouth at the base of the back of her skull. She's in the movie and politely eats a chicken leg. It's actually a rather morbidly cute scene.
I enjoy your content. It is always evolving. I am partial to the kitsune because it is in my kidos' favorite video game Over Watch. We all cosplayed for their 20th birthday. I dressed as Kiriko. She has a kitsune as part of her character. I even crocheted an amigarumi for a gift with one tail only. Ha ha ha. It was a blast😊 thanks again.
Don't worry if you feel like you're not pronouncing something properly. The content remains amazing and the research and time you put into looking up things that could have been brushed aside always comes through.
Kutsune would depend on which part of Japan you are from. Anime fan here. They seem to call them either 'KITSU' or 'Keetsunae depending on city or country speak. Your pronunciation is fine if you're a city folk. :)
You briefly mentioned in another video the leanan sidhe, and I'd LOVE if you did a video on that! I've been falling down the rabbit hole ever since I saw the other video. (Sorry for the irrelevance of my comment to this video, I really enjoy your videos and actually absorb information which is great!)
Jon I have to tell you that I love your taglines of addressing your viewers as mere mortals, since we have been told to be careful when entertaining someone that might be an angel unaware. The other one is your ending tagline of remember that Jon shot first, combined with bad company lyrics of they know us by the sound of our guns, of course they are the ones that gave up on the Sun and are thus called traitors. Really enjoying your content.
Hey Jon, please do a messed up origin of Korean folklore and mythology. Especially ones that are variants of them from other Asian folklore and mythology.
I love the kitsune, the idea of something so powerful while being in the body of a fox is fantastic. I’d love to see if these myths are real, to explore and search for such creatures as the kitsune or kappa or bakkaneko. They honestly fascinate me. And yes I know I’ll get the “ their myths idiot “ or “ good luck wasting money “ or “ cringe “ but still it’s something I’m interested in
(8:48) So that’s not entirely correct, there’s different ranks of kitsune in Japanese folklore & two main groups… the zenko (good foxes) & nogitsune or Yakan (the bad cunning/tricksters, or neutral *while not inherently evil but are selfish & act according to their own will without consideration of others*). The ranks of a kitsune are: • Ashirei or Ashireiko (ordinary foxes or ones that’s are indistinguishable to a normal fox & don’t have the ability to take on a human form). • Chiko, the second rank, where the kitsune begins to gain extra tails as they age (up to 9 tails). • Kiko, or spirit fox, is the third rank. Usually attained around 500 years old, they no longer have to eat (unless they choose to) but can consume magical energy or human life-forces to increase their power. These are believed to be the messengers of Inari Okami. • Tenko are the highest rank, they dwell in the spirit realm & don’t concern themselves with the mortal world unless summoned. They have no physical bodies but can make one if they want to. • Kūku, while considered below the Tenko they are the last rank, essentially they’re retired. They may choose to give up their ability to return to the mortal world or live out the rest of their life in a physical body (but they cannot change it one chosen).
My Mom said you are saying it right. She used to work at an AD Agency and it was fun but Japanese and she learned a couple of the words. She's Facebook friends with a couple of them.
Even when they feel like this was about to be a love story it turned into a messed up origin story from the first part of it just look like this was going to be a love and easy going but it didn't didn't😂😂
@6:42 It's so hard to get pronunciation correct for a word. Hell, I'm from Canada, and the way we speak from the pacific coast, to middle of the country, to west coast, are ALL different. so one single word could be pronounced differently across and entire country.
@@DarkReaper12 we are agreeing that he is a kitsune that Jon overlooked though? Also wasn’t it mentioned in this video that a kitsune is thousands of years old before attaining nine tails?
@JonSolo Can you cover the folklore behind okami? Like the creatures in the beast scroll. There's sooo many unique creatures designs and I'd love to learn more about the inspiration behind them.
as a dedicated Okami enjoyer.......BRO WOULD HAVE TO MAKE A 2 HOUR VIDEO. Okami does what Jon does.......but covers FAAAAAAAAAAR MORE. there's Kamaitachi.....the red and blue ogres......the story of Princess Kaguya and Hitomi......the story of Issun and explaining how they handled the story of Susanoo-o and Orochi.....the Brush gods showing up as mostly signs of the Zodiac (with the exception of the Tiger and the Cat)........the scrolls possibly being a reference to itamomen and so on. Okami is a who's who of Yokai and Japanese Stories. it would take him FOREVER to deep dive into it. Not saying it cant be done........just wanted to point out it would take forever.
This is a very informative episode. I like learning about these creatures. Even though Kitsunes are Japanese folklore, there are stories about fox spirits or demons in other cultures as well. Fox demons are depicted in many Chinese movies and there is a story of a trickster fox spirit of Native American origin played out in the show Gargoyles. Back to Japanese stories, the Kitsune makes me think of the anime Inuyasha that has a young fox demon named Shippo as one of the characters and another fox-like creature named Kirara as a companion to another character. Also, let's not forget the infamous Nine-Tailed fox demon that was put into Naruto as a baby. Interesting stuff. Thank you for sharing this information.
"On Taking a Fox as a Wife and Bringing Forth a Child" sounds like a light novel title that will eventually become an anime. So I guess long titles that are basically a summary of the story isn't a recent trend in Japan after all.
There are a bunch of vengeful and malevolent spirits you could do videos on, Kuchisake-onna and Yuki-Onna are both pretty interesting. That Netflix series Blue Eye Samurai references an Onryo which is another type of Japanese Demon Spirit. You have a mountain of Yokai lore to pull from for videos, of course the logical thing to do is make a Kappa or Tengu video after doing Tanuki and Kitsune.
English speakers getting offended on behalf of the Japanese over “mispronunciation” of words they themselves have no idea how to pronounce is hilarious.
There is also a rich collection of fox legends in Chinese folklore and I once read a book [citation needed] that characterized kitsune in Japan as borrowed from the Chinese.
People just associate shape shifting nine tailed foxes with Japan because of anime There are also many stories of shape shifting nine tailed foxes in Korea. But there is no doubt they originated in China where records of nine tailed and / or shape shifting foxes go back to at least 500bc By the Han dynasty artistic carvings of nine tailed foxes had already become very common. This shows the myths had already spread through the populace far from their earliest recorded mentions in records from the central yellow River valley in the Zhou dynasty. The stories and artistic depictions of nine tailed shape shifting foxes go back to at least 500bc in China. The beliefs in foxes show a clear path of evolution from the early mentions in things like the Zhou dynasty records, classic of mountains and seas, Han funerary art, etc. to Tang and Song and even later popular fiction and folk religious beliefs of the Qing. However in Japan they simply show up fully evolved in identical form to what was being told in China at the time, during the greatest period of mass importation of Chinese texts, myths, fashion, technology, religious practices, customs etc. The intro about super unique Japanese beliefs is kind of ironic in that there are all kinds of stories about really unique supernatural creatures in Japan, but he is talking about one that was unquestionably imported directly from China. There are some differences in beliefs regarding foxes between China, Japan, and Korea. But in general the stories almost always follow the basic themes and progressions developed in China. If anything you can say that the seductress aspect is slightly more emphasized in Japanese folklore, the human eating aspect in Korean, and the energy vampire and contracted God / spirit aspect in China. The thing is that all of those themes were already developed when the fox stories were imported to Japan and Korea and stories focusing on any of those aspects can be found in any of those countries. So at best that's just an overly broad generalization and all of those aspects of fox spirits are part of the shared heritage of the folklore of all of those countries. Also if you are interested there have been large numbers of books and academic papers published on the folklore of foxes in each of those countries.
I've done research on the Kitsune, and found that the more disreputable ones are called nogitsune, and they have an equivalent in China called the huliching. Interesting stuff that
Maintaining the same pronunciation of the same word among different languages and regions is almost impossible, because how it's pronounced in its language of origin won't always accommodate another accent. If you listen to how English words are pronounced in Japanese, they'll basically never end on a consonant sound. Even the official pronunciations of English words are different in American, British and Australian. And I'm sure "kitsune" would sound a little different if you heard it in say an Osaka accent. I'd say the most important thing is to just do your best, but not get too hung up on the nuance.
Oooh if you’re doing yokai and kitsune specifically, do you also have videos on Chinese folk tales and myths (like Sun Wukong, Nezha, and the huli jing, which is said to be what led to the rise of the kitsune). 👁️
I find the fox being considered an enemy of farmers in the west and revered in the east interesting. I have to assume their behavior around small livestock would be similar in either area. Thanks for the video.
The first story I ever heard about nine tail fox happened in a village, called Village, hidden in the leaves, and a boy wearing had a harness the power of the nine tailed fox
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Only if you promise no more selling your soul to corporate sponsorships, also you should cover the various different creatures in the Sonic games like Iblis or Dark Gaia.
Thank you for covering one of my favorite creatures and myths and legends I really appreciate it😂❤
@@casellpeterson7424 I wish we could actually kill Redd, ironically he was the real sucker all along.
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@@JonSolo Thank you for covering one of my favorite creatures in myths and legends I really appreciate it😂❤ are their going to be more Japanese legends in the future.
I love the fact that you respect people's cultures enough to find out how to say and pronounce the true word....
Yikes low standards much bare minimum
@@spicybeantofu ur just a trolling hater. Cuz most don’t do what he does and have the consideration to try to learn to pronounce different languages for his viewers and if you have a problem with him adapting and including other cultures and races languages; that’s on ur small dumb brain.
@@spicybeantofuthe best you can hope from the internet is bare minimum.
I love that he does it too but also I personally don't think it's disrespectful/respectful unless it's someone's name to at least try. A lot of people within the same culture pronounce things differently anyways, which is probably why none natives get so confused haha but I still respect that he wants to put his best foot forward
Love that you’re doing Japanese folklore 🤍
Was going to ask if he could find something like this, there are so many cultures with folklore
And I bet the Japanese folklore would do him too.
@@smb-c3poof course... I wouldn't know jon solo (dbl jump NOW) if I hadn't read/watched "ju-on"
@@cynicalminion The joke is that Japan is full of perverts
love this
One of the messed up things about the "seizure episode", is that the sequence with the flashing lights was actually caused by Pikachu, but the entire Porygon family were the ones that got banned from the anime. Porygon had a few, very brief, cameos, and the only appearances Porygon-2 and Porygon-Z ever got were a blink-and-you-miss it cameo in one movie for barely a second.
There's so, so many creatures from Japanese folklore that could be covered. One that comes to mind is the inspiration for Misdreavus that's a woman's head that comes off her body and floats around the house at night.
Wait! WHAT?🤯
That episode makes me wonder how the animators coped putting that together
I was thinking that too. I would imagine creating the scene wouldn't be risky, just going frame by frame and changing the color wouldn't trigger anything... but they obviously had to watch it at least once in real-time before they gave it the final stamp of approval, right? you'd think someone would have been triggered or at least felt like their eyes were gonna blow up like mine did.
I wonder if after that, anime was restricted in the lights and flashes it could use. Or, at the very least, were required by law to post warnings about scenes causing epilepsy at the beginning of shows
@@Embermoon91 Pokémon Shock also affected video games. Also, Porygon and its evolutions were victims of circumstance as the former happened to be the Pokémon of the Week.
FINALLY, another yōkai! 🙌🏽
Something else to remember, Japanese doesn't necessarily do plural nouns in the same way English does. So one kitsune, two kitsune, many kitsune. Just like our words for deer and moose. But the pronunciation is definitely something western speakers seem to struggle with, so I wouldn't worry about it as long as you try your best and don't go way off the rails and do something like say kamikaze "came-y kays." Yes, I've heard someone say that.
"Ninja Gay-den", anyone?
😂😂@@JamesDavy2009
If you give a fox a statue, it will want a horse ride.
If you give a fox a horse ride, it will want nine tails.
If you give a fox nine tails, it will want godhood.
lmao! I legit thought of making a similar joke while I was editing this together... wish that came to me in the writing process! 😂
@@JonSolo Thanks for the work you do! I'm a huge fan and I enjoy everything you put so much care and effort into.
If you give a fox godhood, it will want a statue
@@AshDashProductions Absolutely! XD
I was born in Japan. I love it when you talk about Japanese folklore. Btw, your pronunciation of kitsune is pretty good for a gaijin. Don't worry about anyone giving you a hard time..
It could be spoken with different dialects too! You are not lazy dude, how can anyone say that?? You clearly put so much effort forth and I love your content!!!
Dialects are the biggest reason I don't sweat pronunciation unless I'm talking to someone who is actually fluent (not just repeating what they heard from an online source).
I was thinking that when listening to the different ways it's pronounced. Just about every language spoken by millions of people out there has different dialects; the way the language instructors (both human and electronic) pronounce the word is just one way of pronouncing it.
Look at the English language. You have different dialects from each country that speaks it, not to mention certain terms found only in certain countries or regions of that country. For example, the rear storage of a car is called a "trunk" in the U.S., but it's called "boot" in the U.K. Likewise, the part that covers the engine is called a "hood" in the U.S., but "bonnet" in the U.K.
That's the thing with a lot of older nations, travel used to be a lot harder so dialects, especially in Europe popped up naturally, often sounding like completely separate languages.
Yea, honestly all three can be considered correct. It all depends on where in japan you are
"Kitsune" is not Japanese script, it's Latin. All you have to do is stop calling 700 000 000 people "non-Americans" because to you they're jsut avocado-picking animals, and learn the LATIN pronunciation. That people were kind enough to transcript Japanese words INTO, including 狐.
It jsut seems like a lot of effort dedicated TO being lazy. You seem federally hell-bent on treating Latin script as footnote to what it means to live on this continent, and instead create a divide unlike anything seen in Africa or Asia. Where "American" is a privilege only to federal subjects, while IMPERIAL subjects harvest your food without the protection of labor laws YOU could be voting for. And they cannot, because USA doesn't even uphold fair cross-national trade treaties. They have some sort of FAKE American rights for fake Latin America, because they don't swear fealty to ONE federal empire. That can't even pronounce how its words are written.
Starting with the fact, that English never was successful in inventing a written form so now you have to play games wriiting "keet-soo-nay" or "keat-snoo" or whahtever, pretend THOSE ones are the "more accurate" depiction. Because YOU KNOW that "kitsune" already utterly fails to replicate the sounds you pretend to understand through these written forms.
If I could subscribe twice I would. Kitsunes have always been among my favorite topics in folklore. I would love to see The Messed Up Origins of other yokai, kappa, dragons, and maybe even Sumerian Mythology at some point.
Jon Shot First!
Kitsunes are also references in Zelda: Majora's Mask with the Keaton Mask and using it to find a Keaton Kitsune in Clock Town that quizzes Link. ☺
I played both games in Japanese version knowing next to nothing about Japanese language. Answering the fox quiz correctly was really hard! Even the guide I had didn't help since it was made for the American version.
Can you talk about zombies? You’ve done werewolves, you’ve done vampires, you’ve done Changelings; it’s time you do zombies
Hopefully he will do it for spooky season
Hey you want zombies so bad that she want to be demanding them maybe you should make a page and doing about zombies yourself just a thought
Spoopy season 2024!!!
@@penguin-schluppstudio yesss
Meh, i could take it or leave it. Zombies are so overdone and overrated at this point.
I love how you try so hard to get the words right. You even show your work. As an American myself, I understand the struggle of learning a foreign language. My American tongue just can move like it needs to to pronounce certain words.
Love the last story.
The guy learned humility, payed what he owed and kept his word to the fox priest.
Awesome video as always Jon.
You are saying it very well. Some people will sound like they say it Kitsne because the U is very soft but it is there. It’s like Desu. It sounds like Dess often because the u is a soft sound, you will also find some people say it more pronounced at times, both are correct so don’t worry I think you say it perfectly fine. Just try to say it with a relaxed tongue. Google is usually fine for single word pronunciation checking
Some people just don’t understand that every language has so many accents and sounds depending on so many factors. Look at English, leading it from different places creates an accent so don’t worry.
we have long awaited the kitsune video since the tanuki one. also is tales from sonic a kitsune
I'm sorry I thought you were asking if he was a tanuki. Yes, he could be considered a Kitsune.
oh sorry i'll edit that but i meant kitsune@@charleswolfe8896
No, he is a hedgehog... Blue, but I'm WTFever when it cums (and it often does) to kitsune.
Yes, no, and yes.
@@charleswolfe8896 It could also explain why a tween (his oldest canonical age) has an aptitude with technology and can pilot a homemade aeroplane.
Dont forget, that even though they might spell it the same there is still regional accents in Japan with how they pronounce their words, so phonetics might not always be the same.
"Lovecraft Country" has an awesome tale of the Kitsune. If you've not checked out the series, I think you would enjoy it.
Wish the series had more seasons
it's been on my watchlist forever but this is the first time someone's actually recommended it or said anything good about it, so now I've got some more motivation to check it out :)
I had first discovered the existence of kitsunes, because of Vulpix and Ninetales from Pokémon. I'm very glad that there's another Messed-Up Origins episode about Japanese flolklore. I would also like to see an episode about Ciptali, who is a sea monster from Aztec mythology.
I would love to see more on Japanese folklore and mythology. All the different yokai and how they appear in modern anime and manga, as well as some of the main characters of Japanese folklore and mythology, like Kintaro.
In relation to your other video about the tanuki, there's actually a black-and-white cartoon that was released in 1933 titled "Ugokie-K-Ri-No-Tatehiki", which roughly translates to "Moving Picture - Fox Vs. Tanuki, Pulling Pranks". It was produced by Toho Studios, who would, two decades later, launch the kaiju genre with the first Gojira (Godzilla) film in 1954. There are several uploads of it on RUclips.
Please do more Japanese Folklore. I've always loved this kind of folklore as well as celtic folklore. Love your content!
The pronunciation issue could also come down to dialect. Depending on where the person you ask grew up, they could pronounce or even have unique words to their home region.
I’m back again 😌 glad to see you still
Making videos they never get old. Always top tier storytelling
So fun fact about the episode of Pokémon you mentioned, it could also have taken inspiration from Hachiko. He was the real life dog who waited at the same train station for his owner for 9 years unaware that his owner died suddenly while at work. Hachiko would actually be an interesting video idea too, there is a famous statue of him in Japan and Koromaru is Persona 3 is based on Hachiko.
I actually research about kitsunes, thanks Jon for this episode so I can learn more of it.
As of 6:14 you're doing fine pronouncing it the way most non-native Japanese people pronounce it. The e in the end is audible and the i is pronounced correctly too. I think, in Japanese, the stress on tsu is a bit less than ki and ne. The u is not gone, at least I pronounce it, and I think it is better to pronounce it than to not pronounce it. Passing grade from me on pronounciation so far. It doesn't need to be perfect. Jon is not a native Japanese speaker, and (I assume) hasn't studied the language. All that considered, no one will hear me complaining.
14:15 "that's impossible. There is no way I can say that!"
Thats me when I'm singing rap songs and they drop the n bomb, lol.
Ooo this gave me some ideas for my own kitsune character! Great video, love hearing stories about kitsune!
I have always found futakuchi-onna to be both intriguing and terrifying. They're not normally covered, but there was one in Ms. Perigrine's Home for Peculiar Children.
Where exactly?
@@allaniadall9686 The little girl who had a mouth at the base of the back of her skull. She's in the movie and politely eats a chicken leg. It's actually a rather morbidly cute scene.
@@EBThisThat Oh that one. Yeah, I remember her.
For those wondering yes Kurama from Naruto is a kitstune
Uh, don't you mean from Yu-Yu Hakusho?
No, nobody's wondering or asking.
Penny's just like "Put me DOWN PEASANT!!"
Thanks!
I love that you cover so many cultures myths and legends!
Fun fact originally naruto creaor Masashi Kishimoto was going to make naruto a kitsune
I love your video of this, the kitsune is one of my favorite mythical creatures 🦊
OMG, JON SOLO!! TOTALLY LOVING THESE ILLUSTRATIONS!! 'Way to go and Many Thanks to your Artists! 💗💗💗
I enjoy your content. It is always evolving. I am partial to the kitsune because it is in my kidos' favorite video game Over Watch. We all cosplayed for their 20th birthday. I dressed as Kiriko. She has a kitsune as part of her character. I even crocheted an amigarumi for a gift with one tail only. Ha ha ha. It was a blast😊 thanks again.
The tails made me think of Hulder(huldra) maidens from Norse mythology. I had a book about trolls as a child and they were always my favorite part.
my new fav channel!
I'd love to see more on Japanese folklore and mythology.
Don't worry if you feel like you're not pronouncing something properly. The content remains amazing and the research and time you put into looking up things that could have been brushed aside always comes through.
Love this one! More Japanese folklore please!
you have my full attention
Solo content? Let's go!!!
Kutsune would depend on which part of Japan you are from. Anime fan here. They seem to call them either 'KITSU' or 'Keetsunae depending on city or country speak. Your pronunciation is fine if you're a city folk. :)
Yay! was waiting for you to do this one!
You briefly mentioned in another video the leanan sidhe, and I'd LOVE if you did a video on that! I've been falling down the rabbit hole ever since I saw the other video. (Sorry for the irrelevance of my comment to this video, I really enjoy your videos and actually absorb information which is great!)
by far the most complete video on kitsune I've seen in years! 😊❤
22:28 i see they never changed their naming conventions there
Jon I have to tell you that I love your taglines of addressing your viewers as mere mortals, since we have been told to be careful when entertaining someone that might be an angel unaware.
The other one is your ending tagline of remember that Jon shot first, combined with bad company lyrics of they know us by the sound of our guns, of course they are the ones that gave up on the Sun and are thus called traitors.
Really enjoying your content.
Hey Jon, please do a messed up origin of Korean folklore and mythology. Especially ones that are variants of them from other Asian folklore and mythology.
The first time I hears about kitsune was reading The Iron Druid Chronicles series. Possibly the funniest introduction out there.
I love the kitsune, the idea of something so powerful while being in the body of a fox is fantastic. I’d love to see if these myths are real, to explore and search for such creatures as the kitsune or kappa or bakkaneko. They honestly fascinate me. And yes I know I’ll get the “ their myths idiot “ or “ good luck wasting money “ or “ cringe “ but still it’s something I’m interested in
(8:48) So that’s not entirely correct, there’s different ranks of kitsune in Japanese folklore & two main groups… the zenko (good foxes) & nogitsune or Yakan (the bad cunning/tricksters, or neutral *while not inherently evil but are selfish & act according to their own will without consideration of others*).
The ranks of a kitsune are:
• Ashirei or Ashireiko (ordinary foxes or ones that’s are indistinguishable to a normal fox & don’t have the ability to take on a human form).
• Chiko, the second rank, where the kitsune begins to gain extra tails as they age (up to 9 tails).
• Kiko, or spirit fox, is the third rank. Usually attained around 500 years old, they no longer have to eat (unless they choose to) but can consume magical energy or human life-forces to increase their power. These are believed to be the messengers of Inari Okami.
• Tenko are the highest rank, they dwell in the spirit realm & don’t concern themselves with the mortal world unless summoned. They have no physical bodies but can make one if they want to.
• Kūku, while considered below the Tenko they are the last rank, essentially they’re retired. They may choose to give up their ability to return to the mortal world or live out the rest of their life in a physical body (but they cannot change it one chosen).
My Mom said you are saying it right. She used to work at an AD Agency and it was fun but Japanese and she learned a couple of the words. She's Facebook friends with a couple of them.
Even when they feel like this was about to be a love story it turned into a messed up origin story from the first part of it just look like this was going to be a love and easy going but it didn't didn't😂😂
@6:42 It's so hard to get pronunciation correct for a word. Hell, I'm from Canada, and the way we speak from the pacific coast, to middle of the country, to west coast, are ALL different. so one single word could be pronounced differently across and entire country.
Thanks for this, I visited the Fushimi Inari shrine in Kyoto- it's beautiful. Also went to Zao village, love foxes.
Wow, Miles ‘Tails’ Prower must be a lot older than the teenager he seems to be
Nah, his tails just prove that he was just born with the mind and wisdom of a 300 IQ engineer. He got bullied for getting a headstart, if you will.
He is 8 years old, not a teenager.
@@DarkReaper12 we are agreeing that he is a kitsune that Jon overlooked though? Also wasn’t it mentioned in this video that a kitsune is thousands of years old before attaining nine tails?
@@Ravendarkwytch One millennium flat according to the lore.
@JonSolo Can you cover the folklore behind okami? Like the creatures in the beast scroll. There's sooo many unique creatures designs and I'd love to learn more about the inspiration behind them.
as a dedicated Okami enjoyer.......BRO WOULD HAVE TO MAKE A 2 HOUR VIDEO.
Okami does what Jon does.......but covers FAAAAAAAAAAR MORE.
there's Kamaitachi.....the red and blue ogres......the story of Princess Kaguya and Hitomi......the story of Issun and explaining how they handled the story of Susanoo-o and Orochi.....the Brush gods showing up as mostly signs of the Zodiac (with the exception of the Tiger and the Cat)........the scrolls possibly being a reference to itamomen and so on.
Okami is a who's who of Yokai and Japanese Stories.
it would take him FOREVER to deep dive into it. Not saying it cant be done........just wanted to point out it would take forever.
Probably my favorite Messed Up Origins episode so far
Not gunna lie I love how he shows his mishaps and stuff I.e. showing that he’s accountable for his transition. It just makes me watch him more.🎉🎉🎉
Akita from LEGO Ninjago seems to be a kitsune as well.
This is a very informative episode. I like learning about these creatures. Even though Kitsunes are Japanese folklore, there are stories about fox spirits or demons in other cultures as well. Fox demons are depicted in many Chinese movies and there is a story of a trickster fox spirit of Native American origin played out in the show Gargoyles. Back to Japanese stories, the Kitsune makes me think of the anime Inuyasha that has a young fox demon named Shippo as one of the characters and another fox-like creature named Kirara as a companion to another character. Also, let's not forget the infamous Nine-Tailed fox demon that was put into Naruto as a baby. Interesting stuff. Thank you for sharing this information.
Love your vids.
Please do more Japanese folklore ❤
"On Taking a Fox as a Wife and Bringing Forth a Child" sounds like a light novel title that will eventually become an anime. So I guess long titles that are basically a summary of the story isn't a recent trend in Japan after all.
Love death and robots has an episode about Kitsunes. It was amazing!! 🔥
I would love you to cover some Irish mythology like more of the hero’s! Like cu chulainn or fionn mac cumhaill 😅
Id love to see you do a deep dive of the different mythologies in one piece also you make awesome videos
This just made my day!
Sir you have out done yourself with this one thank you so much ❤
One of my childhood streets was known as fox hollow due to all of the foxes that were seen in the area
I'm gonna get a Redd amiibo soon cuz, I don't know bout you guys, but I like him!
There are a bunch of vengeful and malevolent spirits you could do videos on, Kuchisake-onna and Yuki-Onna are both pretty interesting. That Netflix series Blue Eye Samurai references an Onryo which is another type of Japanese Demon Spirit. You have a mountain of Yokai lore to pull from for videos, of course the logical thing to do is make a Kappa or Tengu video after doing Tanuki and Kitsune.
English speakers getting offended on behalf of the Japanese over “mispronunciation” of words they themselves have no idea how to pronounce is hilarious.
It\s what they are best at. Getting offended for other people who usually don't care one way or another
There is also a rich collection of fox legends in Chinese folklore and I once read a book [citation needed] that characterized kitsune in Japan as borrowed from the Chinese.
People just associate shape shifting nine tailed foxes with Japan because of anime
There are also many stories of shape shifting nine tailed foxes in Korea.
But there is no doubt they originated in China where records of nine tailed and / or shape shifting foxes go back to at least 500bc
By the Han dynasty artistic carvings of nine tailed foxes had already become very common. This shows the myths had already spread through the populace far from their earliest recorded mentions in records from the central yellow River valley in the Zhou dynasty.
The stories and artistic depictions of nine tailed shape shifting foxes go back to at least 500bc in China.
The beliefs in foxes show a clear path of evolution from the early mentions in things like the Zhou dynasty records, classic of mountains and seas, Han funerary art, etc. to Tang and Song and even later popular fiction and folk religious beliefs of the Qing.
However in Japan they simply show up fully evolved in identical form to what was being told in China at the time, during the greatest period of mass importation of Chinese texts, myths, fashion, technology, religious practices, customs etc.
The intro about super unique Japanese beliefs is kind of ironic in that there are all kinds of stories about really unique supernatural creatures in Japan, but he is talking about one that was unquestionably imported directly from China.
There are some differences in beliefs regarding foxes between China, Japan, and Korea.
But in general the stories almost always follow the basic themes and progressions developed in China. If anything you can say that the seductress aspect is slightly more emphasized in Japanese folklore, the human eating aspect in Korean, and the energy vampire and contracted God / spirit aspect in China.
The thing is that all of those themes were already developed when the fox stories were imported to Japan and Korea and stories focusing on any of those aspects can be found in any of those countries.
So at best that's just an overly broad generalization and all of those aspects of fox spirits are part of the shared heritage of the folklore of all of those countries.
Also if you are interested there have been large numbers of books and academic papers published on the folklore of foxes in each of those countries.
I've done research on the Kitsune, and found that the more disreputable ones are called nogitsune, and they have an equivalent in China called the huliching. Interesting stuff that
Thanks for the video.
This video is pawsitively pawesome
I love Kitsune's because they're adorable in anime!💕🔥✨🦊
Could you please cover Amaterasu, the central deity of Japanese mythology?
Ah yes, the lupine protagonist of a game that has you fight Yamata no Orochi not once, but thrice.
Fun fact: The Kitsune were inspired by the mythical Fox from Chinese folklore.
I'm actually writing a book about it kyuubi Kitsune
If you haven't yet you should do the origins of Hachishakusama ❤
Maintaining the same pronunciation of the same word among different languages and regions is almost impossible, because how it's pronounced in its language of origin won't always accommodate another accent. If you listen to how English words are pronounced in Japanese, they'll basically never end on a consonant sound. Even the official pronunciations of English words are different in American, British and Australian. And I'm sure "kitsune" would sound a little different if you heard it in say an Osaka accent. I'd say the most important thing is to just do your best, but not get too hung up on the nuance.
Here for the Redd lore. 😂
And Kiriko in Overwatch, being "Guided" by the spirit fox, having as an ultimate ability Kitsune rush
A dream come true. My favorite creature of myth.
Do one on the Kappa or the tengu next
I think he did the kappa already
Oooh if you’re doing yokai and kitsune specifically, do you also have videos on Chinese folk tales and myths (like Sun Wukong, Nezha, and the huli jing, which is said to be what led to the rise of the kitsune). 👁️
I find the fox being considered an enemy of farmers in the west and revered in the east interesting. I have to assume their behavior around small livestock would be similar in either area. Thanks for the video.
0:45 Uh oh, looks like there’s a nine tailed fox in the hen house!
And sometimes there's different pronunciations for different regions
I hope you talk about Yuki-Onna someday too!
Known to Pokémon fans as Froslass.
Amazing! 🤩
The Kitsune have some parallels to the Germanic huldra.
And I'd say they've got a fair amount of similarities with fae in general.
The first story I ever heard about nine tail fox happened in a village, called Village, hidden in the leaves, and a boy wearing had a harness the power of the nine tailed fox
Much great fan art for them as well.
Hopefully you do one about Tengu
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