Absolutely agree with Alan Knott. I am an Australian. I saw him in his first series in Australia in 1970-71. Took the beath away. He actually stumped Doug Walters once off a mishit that went a metre or so, but it was too quick for the umpires to see amongst all the activity. The ball hit the gloves without a sound. I watched him in Brisbane keeping to Snow, Underwood and Illingworth, it was an absolute masyerclass - and he made 73 at No.3 as a nightwatchman. Another catch off Lever in the first innings in Perth, down the legside off a full leg glance of a shortish delivery - unbelievable. He may have missed one chance in the whole series, if that.
Alan Knott scored hundreds against the West Indies a team that included Michael Holding, Andy Roberts, and Wayne Daniel. Knott also scored a hundred against Lillee and Thomson against a rampant mid seventies Australia. There are so many great wicket-keepers. The batting is so strong in the all time World X1 that the team should have the finest gloveman. It doesn’t necessarily have to be Alan Knott there are amazing wicketkeepers. Knott could bat and he was a genius behind the stumps. Finally Knott kept wicket to Underwood on uncovered pitches. Knott keeping wicket to Underwood.
@@akashkop if you are calling Knott mediocre then you are a child and you also have no idea about cricket. Learn your history and don’t make stupid immature comments about a cricketing genius. Trust me Knott was the greatest keeper.
@@vantheman1238 i am just saying ,there are much better options than alan knott.you can't select him in all time xi.as bumble said spinner back then were slower in the air and has less varitaions then now ,game has evolved so much .felt like a pure english bias as they are selecting him in all time xi.you got dujon,gilly,healy,sangakara and more to choose from but they still went with knott who played in 70s .scoring against wi team shouldn't be a criteria.except graham gooch,ian botham and flintoff no england player shouldn't be in the conversation to make all time xi.its not county cricket all time xi,it is all time xi.no offence but england didn't dominate test cricket in 70s ,they lost to india and sutralia at home
Kimber doesnt rate him at all. I think he was great but Kimber pretty much says " the only reason he had so many dismissals is because south africa had nobody else"
its not true that prasanna jayawardena did't keep for good pace, with guys like Dilhara Fernando, Dhammika Prasad and Malinga at his prime were quick as any one around
@@jehanariyaratnam2874 He was close as a pure keeper but interms of skill with bat and keeping PJ is ahead. Kaluwitharana is irreplaceable though for SLC legacy.
Fun Fact: Adam Gilchrist had such hand-eye coordination and reflexes and was such a hard hitter, the even Major League Baseall team Boston Red Sox were interested in getting him at one stage.
As a lifetime Kent CCC Supporter who once played against a 13 YEAR-OLD , ALAN KNOTT ( E.T.C.A. 2ND X1 v Old Dartfordians 2nd X1 ) , l have to agree that ' Knotty ' takes that Wicketkeeper/ Batter role in that BEST ALL-TIME CRICKET X1 .... From Martin Wiseman (ex- Old Dartfordians C.C).
Amazing that BJ Watling doesn't even get a by-the-way mention. Sure, didn't have to keep to a real ragger but man he brought so much solidity to the game and was a damn sight better Test bat than anyone else weighed up, Messrs. Flower (not mentioned) and perhaps Stewart excepted. Props to Jarrod for bringing up Jayawardene, though. PJ's still playing club cricket in England at Woodhall Spa. Bats 3 and doesn't keep, but on the odd occasion he does chuck em on, there's nothing better on the circuit.
@shivssaini111 West Indies had no spin bowlers & did not tour india very often during his career. Wicketkeeping to spin in subcontinent is considered by many to be the hardest test a wicketkeeper can face.
They still think they are very good test team but outside England their team is avarage in England they may show some resistance but in Australia it's just one way traffic.
Alan Knott was a magician - the way he stood up to Derek Underwood. And he could bat too, often marshalling the lower order and getting England out of trouble.
@@hectorlp1298 Alec Bedser was a magnificent bowler. However he was not as quick as Glenn McGrath and he did not get anything like the same bounce. Godfrey Evans was actually dropped a few tests after returning from a poor tour of Australia in 1958-59. Alan Knott's standards did not drop at all.
@@johnpsalinger173 Trevor Bailey compared Knott and Evans, and said that you noticed Evans more than Knott because Evans made more spectacular catches, but the reason for that was that he was usually in the wrong place and had to dive to catch the ball, whereas Knott's footwork was so good that he'd pull off some amazing catches but they looked routine because he'd already put himself in the right spot to take them.
@@johnpsalinger173 Evans was 38 in 1958, Knott was 35 in his last test. They were both great keepers. I doubt if any were better as keepers. They both had an intangible - an infectious ebullience.
Warne’s suggestion that he could’ve had an extra 300 dismissals if he had a decent keeper, is nothing more than a statement made out of resentment that he didn’t get his way in having Berry in the team. Gilchrist faced backlash from the public when he displaced both Tim Zoehrer and Ian Healy and imo, and obviously with the benefit of hindsight, proved that in both cases the selectors were absolutely spot on. If any of these blokes don’t want Gilly in their best team for whatever reason, then I’ll gladly pick him in my side against theirs. Yes I’m Australian and undoubtedly I have an element of bias as a consequence, but Gilly was a different breed as a cricketer, whether that was just an Australian view or not. He is the same age as me and having played my own career in parallel with his, the two blokes who always garnered the most attention were himself and Warney. No disrespect to McGrath but he wasn’t as flamboyant and spectacular as those two blokes, even if he is equally loved and respected. When Gilly was batting, you felt compelled to sit and watch just in case he did something extraordinary, because the expectation was always there that he could. He was even responsible for me & my mates delaying our departure for pubs & clubs just in case he went off.
Warney was a great bowler. However his thing about Gilly was personal as was his thing about Steve Waugh. He was very personal in many respects. Warne was mates with Healy and Darren Berry and refused to accept to accept Gilly. He never forgave Steve Waugh for being dropped in the WI in 1999 even though he was bowling relatively poorly and Lara was almost toying with him.
@longjohn5322 why the random dig at mcgrath? He's literally the best fast bowler in Australian history, if not the GOAT fast bowler. He probably won more matches for aus than gilchrist did.
Deriyck Murray arguably had the toughest assignment against pace bowling out of all these. Marsh assignment not even close. And Murray did superbly. Imagine if it was Kamran Akmal in Murray's place we might not even have Holding and Roberts and Garner and Croft as legends.
Andy futhamucking Flower! He was by far the best wicket keeper batsman over the last 30 years. Father of the reverse sweep and one of the best players of spin ever.
@@szlyar Returning twice the respect you gave me, Boucher, Healy and BJ Watling rate Andy as the greatest with the gloves behind the wickets. That's good enough for me.
I think it is worth bearing in mind that the question 'which wicketkeeper makes the best all-time XI?' is not the same as the question 'which wicketkeeper is the best/most valuable all-round cricketer?' The answer to the latter question is probably either Sangakkara or Gilchrist (Andy Flower also close). But the former question, unlike the latter, is about side balance.
For an all-time world 11 you are confronted with so many brilliant players over the last century that you have to find "tie-breakers" and those will often be skills in the "other" department of the game. For that reason my pace attack is Sobers (6) Botham (7) Khan (8), Marshall (11) and they can ALL, including Marshall, bat properly and well. With half-a-dozen amazing wicketkeepers in the frame (my personal subjective "best" is Taylor) you simply have to look at their batting in order to break the deadlock so the decision of Knott is a good one - surprised Godfrey Evans' and Leslie Ames' names were not in the mix. Either way, they would bat at 9. With Warne and Marshall at 10 and 11 there's not a "rabbit" anywhere in sight!
Alan Knott rated Wasim Bari as the best Farouk Engineer was another top class keeper. However Knott was rated the best by his peers . What a lovely man too.
Alan Knott is being very generous. Wasim Bari took blinders off outside edges from the quicks that would not have carried to slip, however he did this by standing wide. He did not cover the legside as well as Knott did.
The best wicket keepers are from Asia who keep against Spin in turning tracks. Obviously, since these guys are from Australia and England it'll not be very biased towards these countries as they wouldn't know much about the players outside. Particularly bumble has no idea about players outside the English circuit.
Best keeper I ever saw never played Test cricket because he couldn't bat to Test standard. Darren Berry as a pure gloveman had no peer; he was freakishly skilled.
This. Only reason he didn’t play for Oz was because of Bobby Simpson who hated him, he went with Healy instead, who. was the worst state ‘keeper at the time.
@@nikhildalmeida So what? Warne is allowed to have his opinion. Not saying Sanga isn't great. He is right up there. Just saying Murali and Sanga are very good friends and so Murali may be biased.
@sundarsubramaniam7274 and Murali is allowed to have his right? Murali and Kalu are good friends too. They won a WC together. But Murali actively asked for Sanath who was captain at the time to bring in Sangakkara for Kalu which is why Sanga kept in Test matches for far longer than he should have. Not because he wanted to but because his team wanted him to!
@@nikhildalmeida Of course Murali is allowed to have his opinion. I'm just saying it counts but not much, just like Warne preferring Healy keeping to him doesn't make Healy a better keeper than Gilchrist. As a total package, Gilchrist was simply better.
If we are talking keeper batsman.... Gilchrist, sangakara and dhoni, Gilly for bouncy pitch...later 2 for spin... For man management, whether it's soniya or tail order, dhoni... Pure keeper, Healy no doubt
Dhoni, Sanghakara, and Gilchrist are leagues above the rest of the wicket keepers they had consistency for long period of their career. And they were good at keeping and batting with clever mind..There are many other wicket keepers like Boucher, Akmal, McCullum, Andy flower etc who were good but not consistent for most of their careers
Andy flower, kumar sangakkara, Rashid Latif, MS Dhoni, Brendon Mccullum, Mark Boucher, Kaluwitharna, Jeffery Dujon are not good enough for these guys. But some unknown guys from their domestic counties are way more worthy than above legends. This show already is a farce..
Putting up a first class non international keeper as a comparison to argue down is a decent way of saying "is the international we've mentioned genuinely good enough to beat this bloke who wasn't good enough to make it in international cricket?" It's playing devil's advocate.
McCullum wasn't even a keeper for his whole international career.... That means that NZ had a better gloveman when McCullum was playing haha. He can't be top 50 of all time.
Are we going to pretend that kumar sangakara wasn't a good wicketkeeper...doesn't even get a mention till 11:35 in a 12 min video..he kept to murli in the middle of gis peak...more than prasanna
Like Viv Richards, Adam Gilchrist was a once in a generation player - he redefined the way the position was played. Richie Benaud called Gilchrist the cleanest hitter of a cricket ball he had seen. In wicketkeeping, he had the reflexes and acrobatics of Rod Marsh when keeping to pace - he took absolute screamers of McGrath, Lee and Gillespie. Gilchrist had more dismissals than Healy in keeping to leg-spinner Shane Warne had achieved more stumpings overall in his Test Cricket career than Healy. So, he was not a just batsman who kept, he became a brilliant exponent in both.
I think this group missed a beat in not even considering SMH Kirmani as among the best ever given that even Alan Knott told Kirmani that Kiri had the tougher assignment keeping up to spinners like Chandrasekhar, Bedi, Prasanna and Venkat. IIRC, Kirmani, held the record ovr many years for most runs without conceding a bye. It helped that in domestic competition he kept for Karnataka upto Chandra and Prasanna. He was so good he never looked flashy, say such as Engineer. He effected stumpings down the leg side of Chandrasekhar who was quite fast off the pitch on top of being unpredictable. Maybe Jerrold does not know enough about Kirmani.but David Lloyd should have been aware.
But we have no way to know how he would keep searing pace. India's best was Kapil and he was medium fast, never express pace. Wasim Bari is better because he kept both spin and pace well.
Good discussion. The reason why Gilchrist stands out because he is up high in both keeping and batting. At least so far as batting average and dismissals per wicket goes. The rest is just debate.
Prassana couldn't bat? He averaged 30 which is reasonably good even by today's standards. He scored 4 centuries, 3 of them away from home including 154 in India and 112 in England. And he was a damn good keeper.
Hang on why isn't dhoni considered a master glove man? He always caught, and was probably the best stumper of all time. He'd nab many run outs super quick too. He is memed on for dropping catches in his early years but he was secure over time Dismissals are also a function of the bowlers. As Kimber says, it's about creating wickets too. Dhoni for me is one of the best for that.
@@DieTreppenwitz Because cricket wasn’t invented 15 years ago. Dhoni great leader in ODi cricket. Knott the best pure keeper of all time not even close
@@michaelmulhall5007 lol, you are hilarious.you got dujon,gilly,healy,sangakara and more to choose from but they still went with knott who played in 70s .scoring against wi team shouldn't be a criteria.except graham gooch,ian botham and flintoff no england player shouldn't be in the conversation to make all time xi.its not county cricket all time xi,it is test cricket all time xi .stop living in your own bubble.no offence but england didn't dominate test cricket in 70s ,they lost to india and sutralia at home.
He wasn't that good a gloveman compared to the best ever. It's no knock on him, he was very good just not best gloveman ever. Mark Taylor if he made one mistake in a year was filthy with himself.
Rod Marsh was brilliant in keeping Dennis Lillee and Jeff Thompson. Though stocky, with tree trunks for legs and forearms Popeye would have been proud to have, he took some absolute screamers to those fearsome pace bowlers. Owner of one the most famous moustaches in international cricket history.
In terms of skills in any conditions for any type of bowler Ian Healy and Mark Boucher are up in list but to make team complete strong you need Adam Gilchrist, MS Dhoni, Sangakkara.
In terms of keeping against spin in last 20 yrs no keeper is better then wriddhiman Saha,if not believe me see his keeping videos in square Turner distinguish it with anyone.👍
If we are talking about a wicket keeping batsman that has to be kumar sangakkara, most dismisals for wk in odi cricket.He didnt keep in test cricket and t20 came later in his career. Batting wise 58+ test avg is with over 12k runs is something else
I’m a Victoria and have seen back to Knott. In terms of purely best glovemen can’t separate Knott and Berry. Unfortunately for Darren he couldn’t bat. ps I remember that Riffle stumping, incredible.
Godfrey Evans was a pioneer of keeping. Wasim Bari was equally adept against pace and spin, (Imran Khan reckoned he was as good as Alan Knott), I'm shocked that Bumble forgot about his team mate Farookh Engineer. He was a Lancs legend and was known for his brilliant keeping to pace and swing bowling. He was even picked in a world XI because of his keeping ability. Of wicket keepers that I've actually seen, Jack Russell stands out by a mile. That man manufactured dismissals out of nowhere. Healy I feel is overrated (Rod Marsh was better).
Kimber is right, this video is terrible for the algorithm 😂 I understand you guys are proper historians but try speak more about the populars players like Gilchrist, Dhoni, Sanga
@isaacnewton3514 .They are making all-time XI so there is enough batting in the side, so they choose wk based on pure glovework. Unfortunately for the algorithm/views since around 90's national selectors have prioritised batting over glovework (jarrod has made the case this is partially because it is very easy to measure batting average rather than potential dismalls missed). Like they mention in the vid Warne said he would have taken 1000 wickets with a better keeper (Ian healy the wk before gilchrist was a better pure wk). Wicket keeping is the only skill in cricket that has decreased in the modern era.
@@TheOfficialEmiratiWarne only said that because he was pissed that Berry never got the nod because he wanted his Victorian buddy in the side , Gilly could keep with one hand tied behind his back better than Darren Berry and I’m a Victorian
Richie Benaud picked Gilchrist for his all time XI (in 2004) as a keeper (#8). He also picked Sobers at #6 and Imran Khan at #7, but I agree with Bumble and Jarrod here that if your #7 is a proper batter, do you need a keeper to bat?
This all time is going to playing against the all time 2nd xi which will basically be almost as good so there may be situations when extra runs down the order is helpful. It's the eternal trade off of the relative value of extra runs to fewer wickets. I'm not sure there is an answer.
Although he didn't do it for long I would honestly go for AB de Villiers. Obviously a world world class batsman and was a safe pair of hands with the gloves. Never really saw his keeping letting anyone down
Not many may know this but most West Indies greats rate the relatively unknown David Murray as the best keeper they have ever seen. Alan Knott gets big respect too among those who played against him.
Be it wicket keeper or wicket keeper batsman, I would go with Adam Gilchrist first. In his absence, it would be either Kumar Sangakkara or Mark Boucher.
The best gloveman is Ian Healy. To be fair to Knott he didnt have the challenge of Warne to really show how good he was and Prasanna didnt have the challenge of proper pace. None of these guys get talked about cause if selection criteria is also to score runs then Gilly, Sangakarra or Dhoni are the only real options. Boucher was good but always kept to pace on flat wickets and then also wasnt in the runs enough.
Rod Marsh kept wicket to the best ever fast bowler Lillee and they were a lethal combination who took a record number of wickets together (at the time).
@@rangaweerakkody165 Sometimes it is better to stay silent and have people wonder if you are a fool, then speak and confirm it. Oh wait, it is too late in your case. 🤷♂
@@MrCarrera28 Still Lillee is not the best. Too bad there was other better bowlers. Marshall, McGrath, Hadlee, Steyn, Ambrose, Imran, Garner, Donald all are better than him. Soon Bumrah and Rabada will go past him. It hurts for some Aussies to see their macho man as not as good as they claim to be.
@@rangaweerakkody165 Resorting to xenophobic insults is the first sign of having lost an argument before even starting. The paucity of your argument combined with your ignorant racist insults prove the original argument with utmost, albeit unintended, eloquence. By all means keep posting your racist diatribe of ignorance as all it proves is your pathological and xenophobic need to have the last word.
Can't go wrong with Gilchrist. Great in tests, great in ODIs and would have been great in T20s too. Assuming my team already has a great captain, I would pick Gilchrist. If my team also needs a captain, I would pick Dhoni.
If you don't really need his batting, which you would not with a top 6 including Bradman, Sobers etc, he is not the best keeper. I am with Ian Chappell. Just pick the best keeper. Knott for me, but I would just look at pure keeping with that batting line up.
How is Sangakkara not being discussed?
11:22
He is a myth. A genuinely competent keeper but nowhere near Gilly as a batsman when keeping.
Not a good keeper
@@pranjalramola5956 He was an ok keeper, but a complete myth as an all-time keeper batsman or batsman keeper.
Absolutely agree with Alan Knott.
I am an Australian. I saw him in his first series in Australia in 1970-71. Took the beath away. He actually stumped Doug Walters once off a mishit that went a metre or so, but it was too quick for the umpires to see amongst all the activity. The ball hit the gloves without a sound. I watched him in Brisbane keeping to Snow, Underwood and Illingworth, it was an absolute masyerclass - and he made 73 at No.3 as a nightwatchman.
Another catch off Lever in the first innings in Perth, down the legside off a full leg glance of a shortish delivery - unbelievable. He may have missed one chance in the whole series, if that.
Alan Knott scored hundreds against the West Indies a team that included Michael Holding, Andy Roberts, and Wayne Daniel. Knott also scored a hundred against Lillee and Thomson against a rampant mid seventies Australia.
There are so many great wicket-keepers. The batting is so strong in the all time World X1 that the team should have the finest gloveman. It doesn’t necessarily have to be Alan Knott there are amazing wicketkeepers. Knott could bat and he was a genius behind the stumps. Finally Knott kept wicket to Underwood on uncovered pitches. Knott keeping wicket to Underwood.
but why to settle for mediocrity if you can select the best
@@akashkop if you are calling Knott mediocre then you are a child and you also have no idea about cricket. Learn your history and don’t make stupid immature comments about a cricketing genius. Trust me Knott was the greatest keeper.
@akashkop lol imagine saying that. No keeper that you'd rate could keep on uncovered pitches, Knott did
@@vantheman1238 i am just saying ,there are much better options than alan knott.you can't select him in all time xi.as bumble said spinner back then were slower in the air and has less varitaions then now ,game has evolved so much .felt like a pure english bias as they are selecting him in all time xi.you got dujon,gilly,healy,sangakara and more to choose from but they still went with knott who played in 70s .scoring against wi team shouldn't be a criteria.except graham gooch,ian botham and flintoff no england player shouldn't be in the conversation to make all time xi.its not county cricket all time xi,it is all time xi.no offence but england didn't dominate test cricket in 70s ,they lost to india and sutralia at home
@@akashkopKnott was the best keeper of his era along with Dujon.
Not Jack Russell? Have only seen videos but he looked unreal.
How does Mark Boucher not get any respect
Hes south african. Thats why. He was a master gloveman
Not a huge amount of experience with spin.
Kimber doesnt rate him at all. I think he was great but Kimber pretty much says " the only reason he had so many dismissals is because south africa had nobody else"
cause he played in same era as gilchrist
Because pommies are deluded
Purely on dismissals per innings, tim paine and quinton de kock. Purely on dismissals, boucher must be considered. On presence alone, Dhoni.
Thats based on bowlers more, looking at dismissals pr innings is a stupid metric
Dismissal per ininings, asiam wicketkeeper can never make it then 😂😂😂😂
Hahhaah what the hell?
Tim Paine and De Kock? Hahahah
Boucher? Hahaha.
its not true that prasanna jayawardena did't keep for good pace, with guys like Dilhara Fernando, Dhammika Prasad and Malinga at his prime were quick as any one around
has to be sangakkara.
Pure keeper: Prassana Jayawardene. Just magnificent.
Crisp, technical, athletic the whole package. His batting technique was very aesthetic too but his batting stats don't hold a candle to the keeping.
He was decent with the bat to
Decent batsman too averaged 30 and scored 3 out of his 4 centuries away from home including 154* in India and 112 in England
Wasn't Kalu better than him
@@jehanariyaratnam2874 He was close as a pure keeper but interms of skill with bat and keeping PJ is ahead. Kaluwitharana is irreplaceable though for SLC legacy.
Fun Fact: Adam Gilchrist had such hand-eye coordination and reflexes and was such a hard hitter, the even Major League Baseall team Boston Red Sox were interested in getting him at one stage.
As a lifetime Kent CCC Supporter who once played against a 13 YEAR-OLD , ALAN KNOTT ( E.T.C.A. 2ND X1 v Old Dartfordians 2nd X1 ) , l have to agree that ' Knotty ' takes that Wicketkeeper/ Batter role in that BEST ALL-TIME CRICKET X1 .... From Martin Wiseman (ex- Old Dartfordians C.C).
MS Dhoni even as a pure wicketkeeper..he is brilliant ..
Amazing that BJ Watling doesn't even get a by-the-way mention. Sure, didn't have to keep to a real ragger but man he brought so much solidity to the game and was a damn sight better Test bat than anyone else weighed up, Messrs. Flower (not mentioned) and perhaps Stewart excepted. Props to Jarrod for bringing up Jayawardene, though. PJ's still playing club cricket in England at Woodhall Spa. Bats 3 and doesn't keep, but on the odd occasion he does chuck em on, there's nothing better on the circuit.
The most underrated wicketkeeper - Jeff dujon
He keep against those monster fast bowlers
@@shivssaini111 He is very highly rated.
@shivssaini111 West Indies had no spin bowlers & did not tour india very often during his career. Wicketkeeping to spin in subcontinent is considered by many to be the hardest test a wicketkeeper can face.
Deryck Murray was special too
Because India didn't want to play them
Andy flower.. dominated as a batter in India.. Australia.. South Africa.. Made double hundreds... Captain.. Keeper.. He deserves a mention
U r speaking about domestic keepers, of Aus Eng.
But forgot about Mongia, More, Latif Moin, Kalu, Boucher, kirmani, Bari, Engineer. Dujon
They still think they are very good test team but outside England their team is avarage in England they may show some resistance but in Australia it's just one way traffic.
It is agreed that Latif was better keeper than Moin.
Who
All those keepers would have struggled keeping on uncovered pitches...Knott didn't
@@rahulsinha623 India have won once in England in 9 series so WTF are you talking about. Barely no one wins away from home anymore
Alan Knott was a magician - the way he stood up to Derek Underwood. And he could bat too, often marshalling the lower order and getting England out of trouble.
Stand up to Underwood. Godfrey Evans stood up to Alec Bedser! (For most of the readership that's like Glenn McGrath.)
@@hectorlp1298 Alec Bedser was a magnificent bowler. However he was not as quick as Glenn McGrath and he did not get anything like the same bounce. Godfrey Evans was actually dropped a few tests after returning from a poor tour of Australia in 1958-59. Alan Knott's standards did not drop at all.
@@johnpsalinger173 Trevor Bailey compared Knott and Evans, and said that you noticed Evans more than Knott because Evans made more spectacular catches, but the reason for that was that he was usually in the wrong place and had to dive to catch the ball, whereas Knott's footwork was so good that he'd pull off some amazing catches but they looked routine because he'd already put himself in the right spot to take them.
@@johnpsalinger173 Evans was 38 in 1958, Knott was 35 in his last test. They were both great keepers. I doubt if any were better as keepers. They both had an intangible - an infectious ebullience.
Jeffrey Dujon and Dave Richarson were good keepers.
But when it comes to the art of wicketkeeping there can be no one like the GOAT Alan Knott
Warne’s suggestion that he could’ve had an extra 300 dismissals if he had a decent keeper, is nothing more than a statement made out of resentment that he didn’t get his way in having Berry in the team. Gilchrist faced backlash from the public when he displaced both Tim Zoehrer and Ian Healy and imo, and obviously with the benefit of hindsight, proved that in both cases the selectors were absolutely spot on.
If any of these blokes don’t want Gilly in their best team for whatever reason, then I’ll gladly pick him in my side against theirs.
Yes I’m Australian and undoubtedly I have an element of bias as a consequence, but Gilly was a different breed as a cricketer, whether that was just an Australian view or not. He is the same age as me and having played my own career in parallel with his, the two blokes who always garnered the most attention were himself and Warney. No disrespect to McGrath but he wasn’t as flamboyant and spectacular as those two blokes, even if he is equally loved and respected. When Gilly was batting, you felt compelled to sit and watch just in case he did something extraordinary, because the expectation was always there that he could. He was even responsible for me & my mates delaying our departure for pubs & clubs just in case he went off.
Gilchrist was always most enjoyable player to watch especially when he is not doing it against us
Warney was a great bowler. However his thing about Gilly was personal as was his thing about Steve Waugh. He was very personal in many respects. Warne was mates with Healy and Darren Berry and refused to accept to accept Gilly. He never forgave Steve Waugh for being dropped in the WI in 1999 even though he was bowling relatively poorly and Lara was almost toying with him.
@longjohn5322 why the random dig at mcgrath? He's literally the best fast bowler in Australian history, if not the GOAT fast bowler. He probably won more matches for aus than gilchrist did.
@@TheOfficialEmiratiObviously you and I have a different understanding of what constitutes a random dig.
@longjohn5322 they are picking all-time great xi, not all-time flamboyant/watchable xi
Wriddhiman Saha is a master glove man
Well said.
Yup I agree I am watching cricket since 2005-06 I haven't seen anyone better than him when it comes to just pure wicket keeping
Then also say Ben foakes
Wriddhi Saha is/was a fantastic glovesman. Probably the best India ever produced. But I also like prasanna jayawardena
Prasanna Jayawardene was such a good keeper. His batting got better and better as he got older too
Deriyck Murray arguably had the toughest assignment against pace bowling out of all these. Marsh assignment not even close. And Murray did superbly. Imagine if it was Kamran Akmal in Murray's place we might not even have Holding and Roberts and Garner and Croft as legends.
Andy futhamucking Flower! He was by far the best wicket keeper batsman over the last 30 years. Father of the reverse sweep and one of the best players of spin ever.
Have you heard of Sangakkara? Which planet are you from?
@@nickchandra4890 What planet are you from? Heard of Prasanna Jayawardene? He kept wickets and Sanga mostly played as a batsman.
@@DzemalD Well said🤣🤣🤣🤣🫡
With all due respect, they going purely on WK skills.
@@szlyar Returning twice the respect you gave me, Boucher, Healy and BJ Watling rate Andy as the greatest with the gloves behind the wickets. That's good enough for me.
Every1 forgot sangakkara? Keeping to prime Murali nd herath?
If we add in batting skill, Kumar Sangakkara hands down is the greatest ever to do it.. 13k runs in that era common..
I think it is worth bearing in mind that the question 'which wicketkeeper makes the best all-time XI?' is not the same as the question 'which wicketkeeper is the best/most valuable all-round cricketer?' The answer to the latter question is probably either Sangakkara or Gilchrist (Andy Flower also close). But the former question, unlike the latter, is about side balance.
For an all-time world 11 you are confronted with so many brilliant players over the last century that you have to find "tie-breakers" and those will often be skills in the "other" department of the game. For that reason my pace attack is Sobers (6) Botham (7) Khan (8), Marshall (11) and they can ALL, including Marshall, bat properly and well. With half-a-dozen amazing wicketkeepers in the frame (my personal subjective "best" is Taylor) you simply have to look at their batting in order to break the deadlock so the decision of Knott is a good one - surprised Godfrey Evans' and Leslie Ames' names were not in the mix. Either way, they would bat at 9. With Warne and Marshall at 10 and 11 there's not a "rabbit" anywhere in sight!
Fair play, these "all time XI" things have been done to death already, but these videos of yours still find interesting things to say.
Alan Knott rated Wasim Bari as the best Farouk Engineer was another top class keeper. However Knott was rated the best by his peers . What a lovely man too.
Alan Knott is being very generous. Wasim Bari took blinders off outside edges from the quicks that would not have carried to slip, however he did this by standing wide. He did not cover the legside as well as Knott did.
The best wicket keepers are from Asia who keep against Spin in turning tracks. Obviously, since these guys are from Australia and England it'll not be very biased towards these countries as they wouldn't know much about the players outside. Particularly bumble has no idea about players outside the English circuit.
Alan Knott
Best keeper I ever saw never played Test cricket because he couldn't bat to Test standard. Darren Berry as a pure gloveman had no peer; he was freakishly skilled.
This. Only reason he didn’t play for Oz was because of Bobby Simpson who hated him, he went with Healy instead, who. was the worst state ‘keeper at the time.
Test - 1)sangakkara 2)gilchrist 3)andy flower
Odi - 1) dhoni 2) gilchrist 3) jos butler
Best opener : Gilchrist
Best 3 no : sangakkara
Best finisher + strategist : ms dhoni
(Obviously they have best wicket keeping skills)
Its gotta be a.p.e.knott....purely as a gloveman...knotty as number 1
Ms dhoni for sure....a fastest behind the wicket and a finisher who can bat with tail in any condition
Dhoni was a brilliant stumper…not a great catcher.
Murali has said that Sangakkara is the best keeper he's had! Think that should count for something
Murali never had Gilchrist keeping for him now, did he?
@sundarsubramaniam7274 considering Shane Warne didn't even consider Gilchrist the best to keep to him I'd say rightly so my friend :)
@@nikhildalmeida So what? Warne is allowed to have his opinion. Not saying Sanga isn't great. He is right up there. Just saying Murali and Sanga are very good friends and so Murali may be biased.
@sundarsubramaniam7274 and Murali is allowed to have his right?
Murali and Kalu are good friends too. They won a WC together. But Murali actively asked for Sanath who was captain at the time to bring in Sangakkara for Kalu which is why Sanga kept in Test matches for far longer than he should have. Not because he wanted to but because his team wanted him to!
@@nikhildalmeida Of course Murali is allowed to have his opinion. I'm just saying it counts but not much, just like Warne preferring Healy keeping to him doesn't make Healy a better keeper than Gilchrist. As a total package, Gilchrist was simply better.
If we are talking keeper batsman.... Gilchrist, sangakara and dhoni, Gilly for bouncy pitch...later 2 for spin... For man management, whether it's soniya or tail order, dhoni... Pure keeper, Healy no doubt
De Villiers was a phenomenal wiki and was a better bat than both of them
James Foster - best I’ve seen
Godfrey Evans says hi..
Dhoni, Sanghakara, and Gilchrist are leagues above the rest of the wicket keepers they had consistency for long period of their career. And they were good at keeping and batting with clever mind..There are many other wicket keepers like Boucher, Akmal, McCullum, Andy flower etc who were good but not consistent for most of their careers
Pure gloveman for spinning conditions.. Wriddhiman Saha was as good as they can get... Underrated gloveman
For glovework it will be Alan Knott ,Ian Healy and MS Dhoni.For batting keeper Gilchrist has to be the greatest also Andy Flower and Leslie Ames.
SangaKara for batting keeper?
Wriddhiman Saha. An absolute gem with the gloves!
Sure but we’re talking about an all time World 11.
lmaoooooooo
Saha is india's best glove man in test cricket...But his impact with bat was pretty average...
Jeff Dujon had the agility and gracefulness of a Panther. Took some memorable catches of the bowling of Holding, Garner, Marshall and Walsh.
Andy flower, kumar sangakkara, Rashid Latif, MS Dhoni, Brendon Mccullum, Mark Boucher, Kaluwitharna, Jeffery Dujon are not good enough for these guys.
But some unknown guys from their domestic counties are way more worthy than above legends.
This show already is a farce..
Putting up a first class non international keeper as a comparison to argue down is a decent way of saying "is the international we've mentioned genuinely good enough to beat this bloke who wasn't good enough to make it in international cricket?" It's playing devil's advocate.
Fine players, every single one, but none of them compare to Healey, Knott, or Bob Taylor as a keeper!
This is pure keepers and the batting barely matters. None of are as good gloveman as Healy, Taylor, etc.
McCullum wasn't even a keeper for his whole international career....
That means that NZ had a better gloveman when McCullum was playing haha.
He can't be top 50 of all time.
Mccullum was a garbage keeper
Are we going to pretend that kumar sangakara wasn't a good wicketkeeper...doesn't even get a mention till 11:35 in a 12 min video..he kept to murli in the middle of gis peak...more than prasanna
Sanga kept very less in tests...
Like Viv Richards, Adam Gilchrist was a once in a generation player - he redefined the way the position was played. Richie Benaud called Gilchrist the cleanest hitter of a cricket ball he had seen. In wicketkeeping, he had the reflexes and acrobatics of Rod Marsh when keeping to pace - he took absolute screamers of McGrath, Lee and Gillespie. Gilchrist had more dismissals than Healy in keeping to leg-spinner Shane Warne had achieved more stumpings overall in his Test Cricket career than Healy. So, he was not a just batsman who kept, he became a brilliant exponent in both.
Kumar Sangakara for me.
I think this group missed a beat in not even considering SMH Kirmani as among the best ever given that even Alan Knott told Kirmani that Kiri had the tougher assignment keeping up to spinners like Chandrasekhar, Bedi, Prasanna and Venkat. IIRC, Kirmani, held the record ovr many years for most runs without conceding a bye. It helped that in domestic competition he kept for Karnataka upto Chandra and Prasanna. He was so good he never looked flashy, say such as Engineer. He effected stumpings down the leg side of Chandrasekhar who was quite fast off the pitch on top of being unpredictable. Maybe Jerrold does not know enough about Kirmani.but David Lloyd should have been aware.
But we have no way to know how he would keep searing pace. India's best was Kapil and he was medium fast, never express pace. Wasim Bari is better because he kept both spin and pace well.
Kumar Sangakara is the best wicketkeeper batsman ever
so basically you arent looking for anyone outside aus and eng.. also Prasanna Jayawardene wasn't too bad, got 4 test hundreds - 1 of them in England
They clearly say in all time team there's enough batting ability that your keepers' batting doesn't matter that much.
@@ARandomGuy24 agree, but the statemnt abt prasanna wasnt quite right.. also thr r wicktkeeprs outside aus-eng to be atlst included n a coversation
Good discussion. The reason why Gilchrist stands out because he is up high in both keeping and batting. At least so far as batting average and dismissals per wicket goes. The rest is just debate.
Looks like a discussion about Australian and English wicketkeepers
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Prassana couldn't bat? He averaged 30 which is reasonably good even by today's standards. He scored 4 centuries, 3 of them away from home including 154 in India and 112 in England. And he was a damn good keeper.
Hang on why isn't dhoni considered a master glove man? He always caught, and was probably the best stumper of all time. He'd nab many run outs super quick too. He is memed on for dropping catches in his early years but he was secure over time
Dismissals are also a function of the bowlers. As Kimber says, it's about creating wickets too. Dhoni for me is one of the best for that.
@@DieTreppenwitz Because cricket wasn’t invented 15 years ago. Dhoni great leader in ODi cricket. Knott the best pure keeper of all time not even close
@@michaelmulhall5007 lol, you are hilarious.you got dujon,gilly,healy,sangakara and more to choose from but they still went with knott who played in 70s .scoring against wi team shouldn't be a criteria.except graham gooch,ian botham and flintoff no england player shouldn't be in the conversation to make all time xi.its not county cricket all time xi,it is test cricket all time xi .stop living in your own bubble.no offence but england didn't dominate test cricket in 70s ,they lost to india and sutralia at home.
Agreed!@@michaelmulhall5007
He wasn't that good a gloveman compared to the best ever. It's no knock on him, he was very good just not best gloveman ever. Mark Taylor if he made one mistake in a year was filthy with himself.
Alan knott is the best plain glove man ever not even comparable
It depends on the bowlers in the side?
Ooooh, Godfrey Evans or Knott getting props on the interweb.
Evans will never get the love he deserves, mostly drunk on uncovered wickets. What a man!
Gilchrist, Boucher, Sangakarra, Dhoni, De Cock from 90s onwards were awesome wicketkeepers.
As a Kent fan I’m delighted with that. And Knotty was fantastic (as was Ames). Kent has produced great keepers.
Rod Marsh was brilliant in keeping Dennis Lillee and Jeff Thompson. Though stocky, with tree trunks for legs and forearms Popeye would have been proud to have, he took some absolute screamers to those fearsome pace bowlers. Owner of one the most famous moustaches in international cricket history.
I modelled myself on Alan Knott, Then Jack Russell
DHONI the keeper is highly underrated
In terms of skills in any conditions for any type of bowler Ian Healy and Mark Boucher are up in list but to make team complete strong you need Adam Gilchrist, MS Dhoni, Sangakkara.
In terms of keeping against spin in last 20 yrs no keeper is better then wriddhiman Saha,if not believe me see his keeping videos in square Turner distinguish it with anyone.👍
Nah, Prasanna Jayawardene was there.
PJ can bat a little. he has test avg. of 30 i think
Sanga and prasanna jayawardana are the best who kept wicket for Murali
Alan Knott.
The guy barely kept to a spinner.
@@saurabhb1041 You are kidding.
If we are talking about a wicket keeping batsman that has to be kumar sangakkara, most dismisals for wk in odi cricket.He didnt keep in test cricket and t20 came later in his career.
Batting wise 58+ test avg is with over 12k runs is something else
Spot on with Alan Knott and i wondered if you would ever get around to Les Ames or even Godfrey Evans but didn't W.G give keeping a go
A P E Knott. No question. The number of times he’s stepped and saved England with his batting. His keeping speaks for itself.
I would like to add Geoffrey Dujon, Derek Murray and for Bumble, Farukh Engineer
I’m a Victoria and have seen back to Knott. In terms of purely best glovemen can’t separate Knott and Berry. Unfortunately for Darren he couldn’t bat.
ps I remember that Riffle stumping, incredible.
Adam Gilchrist & Alan Knott are closest competitors as wicketkeeper batsmen at 7 in Test cricket.
Godfrey Evans was a pioneer of keeping. Wasim Bari was equally adept against pace and spin, (Imran Khan reckoned he was as good as Alan Knott), I'm shocked that Bumble forgot about his team mate Farookh Engineer. He was a Lancs legend and was known for his brilliant keeping to pace and swing bowling. He was even picked in a world XI because of his keeping ability. Of wicket keepers that I've actually seen, Jack Russell stands out by a mile. That man manufactured dismissals out of nowhere. Healy I feel is overrated (Rod Marsh was better).
Kimber is right, this video is terrible for the algorithm 😂 I understand you guys are proper historians but try speak more about the populars players like Gilchrist, Dhoni, Sanga
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@isaacnewton3514 .They are making all-time XI so there is enough batting in the side, so they choose wk based on pure glovework. Unfortunately for the algorithm/views since around 90's national selectors have prioritised batting over glovework (jarrod has made the case this is partially because it is very easy to measure batting average rather than potential dismalls missed). Like they mention in the vid Warne said he would have taken 1000 wickets with a better keeper (Ian healy the wk before gilchrist was a better pure wk). Wicket keeping is the only skill in cricket that has decreased in the modern era.
@@TheOfficialEmiratiWarne only said that because he was pissed that Berry never got the nod because he wanted his Victorian buddy in the side , Gilly could keep with one hand tied behind his back better than Darren Berry and I’m a Victorian
Kumar Sangakkara should also be considered.
Syed kirmani is the purest gloveman out of India
Best keepers- Knott and Healy. Best package of keeper and batsman- Gilchrist, no question, no debate. (Sangakkara’s runs scored as a non-keeper.)
Jeff Dujon and Derek Murray were superb, and not denying Sangakara, M. Rizwan.
Could we not have both in the team - Adam for pace bowling and MS Dhoni for Spin !!! Great keeper batsmen and leaders
It's and all time 11 not an all time 22
Richie Benaud picked Gilchrist for his all time XI (in 2004) as a keeper (#8). He also picked Sobers at #6 and Imran Khan at #7, but I agree with Bumble and Jarrod here that if your #7 is a proper batter, do you need a keeper to bat?
This all time is going to playing against the all time 2nd xi which will basically be almost as good so there may be situations when extra runs down the order is helpful. It's the eternal trade off of the relative value of extra runs to fewer wickets. I'm not sure there is an answer.
Although he didn't do it for long I would honestly go for AB de Villiers. Obviously a world world class batsman and was a safe pair of hands with the gloves. Never really saw his keeping letting anyone down
Mark Boucher, saha, Gilchrist, kaluwitharane and Ben Foakes are the best purely in glove work from the matches I have watched.
Not many may know this but most West Indies greats rate the relatively unknown David Murray as the best keeper they have ever seen.
Alan Knott gets big respect too among those who played against him.
Syed Kirmani was best that I saw. Keeping on those Indian wickets to some of the greatest spinners…he was a treat to watch. The best
Healy #1
Taylor or Knott next.
Gilly changed the game forever though
Mark boucher, bob taylor, wasim bari, rashid latif, jack russell
Alan Knott was the best wicket keeping technician of all time.
Be it wicket keeper or wicket keeper batsman, I would go with Adam Gilchrist first. In his absence, it would be either Kumar Sangakkara or Mark Boucher.
Alan knott
James Foster
Ben Foakes
The best gloveman is Ian Healy. To be fair to Knott he didnt have the challenge of Warne to really show how good he was and Prasanna didnt have the challenge of proper pace. None of these guys get talked about cause if selection criteria is also to score runs then Gilly, Sangakarra or Dhoni are the only real options.
Boucher was good but always kept to pace on flat wickets and then also wasnt in the runs enough.
Rod Marsh kept wicket to the best ever fast bowler Lillee and they were a lethal combination who took a record number of wickets together (at the time).
@@MrCarrera28 still the record I think
I can name ten better fast bowlers than Lillee
@@rangaweerakkody165 Sometimes it is better to stay silent and have people wonder if you are a fool, then speak and confirm it.
Oh wait, it is too late in your case.
🤷♂
@@MrCarrera28 Still Lillee is not the best. Too bad there was other better bowlers. Marshall, McGrath, Hadlee, Steyn, Ambrose, Imran, Garner, Donald all are better than him. Soon Bumrah and Rabada will go past him.
It hurts for some Aussies to see their macho man as not as good as they claim to be.
@@rangaweerakkody165 Resorting to xenophobic insults is the first sign of having lost an argument before even starting. The paucity of your argument combined with your ignorant racist insults prove the original argument with utmost, albeit unintended, eloquence.
By all means keep posting your racist diatribe of ignorance as all it proves is your pathological and xenophobic need to have the last word.
Can't go wrong with Gilchrist. Great in tests, great in ODIs and would have been great in T20s too. Assuming my team already has a great captain, I would pick Gilchrist. If my team also needs a captain, I would pick Dhoni.
If you don't really need his batting, which you would not with a top 6 including Bradman, Sobers etc, he is not the best keeper. I am with Ian Chappell. Just pick the best keeper. Knott for me, but I would just look at pure keeping with that batting line up.
Alan Knott deserves a mention. Played some doughty innings in his time. One of my favourite playes in the days of yore.
They literally picked him
Most difficult bowler to wicket keeping may be Anil Kumble and Nayan Mongia did that consistently over the years…….❤
It's between gilly n andy flower in test
Kumar sangakara
*Kumara...but he is overrated chamcha
Alan Knott, easy choice