👀Virat Kohli V Sachin Tendulkar, Who Makes the Ultimate XI? | Bumble & Kimber
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talkSPORT's Cricket editor and presenter Jon Norman sits down with the legendary David 'Bumble' Lloyd and cricket writer Jarrod Kimber to discuss all things cricket.
We're back again with Bumble and Kimber debating which Indian legend they would rather have in their ultimate cricket XI, Virat Kohli or Sachin Tendulkar. They can only pick one!
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Anyone who has seen 90s Tendulkar bat would never make any case for anyone else. These guys remember only the post 2002 Tendulkar thats when the TV coverage became global from India.
Spot on
When you evaluate some one, you evaluate the full career not one period.
Only idiots pick sachin. He won nothing. He is a choker numero uno. It clearly shows most indians are unevolved uncivilized people even now. Indians chose style over substance.
@@saurabhb1041 sachin is trash
I have seen 90s tendular and I think kohli is better because Sachin batted on flat pitch era where draws were a norm
I would like to cite Kerry O'Keeffe for the core of my argument.
"No darling, Virat's batting."
Exactly 😂😂😂
Compare Sachin’s ODI record between 94-03 to every other ODI cricketer from those years and your jaw will drop at how far ahead he was of everyone else.
I think Kholi trumps that though with regards to ODI's. Sachin had a great record in that peak, but there were a bunch of guys who played massive amounts of games not far off. Kholi averages nearly 60 over his whole career, and if you only look at guys with some significant games behind them, he's almost in a different planet compared to them. In an career where he's almost averaging 10 more than the others, it's pretty extraordinary. And then you go to T20I's.... yeah, he's proper good.
For the record, I'm still picking Sachin. But Kholi has one hell of an impressive resume, especially when he was captain.
@@bartonez123 that's because it's a batsmans game now. Rules have changed so much. Look at the tests even though Sachin was more of an aggressive player.
Babar averages nearly 57 , devilliers around 54 , Dhoni about 51, hope 50 , Bevan about 54. All of them have played at least 100 ODIs and apart from Bevan , rest all have played in Kohli’s era. This clearly shows the difference between the eras. Every tom dick and harry averages around 50 these days
Every tom Dick and Hardy averaged 50 in Sachin's era in Tests...
Why?
Test had flat highway pitches made for draw in Sachin's era...
No one talks about that.
If you can even compare a batsman with 44 average in ODI(Sachin) to 57 average in ODI(Kohli)
Then Kohli(49) is better than Sachin(53) in Tests...
Tests have become so much bowling friendly...
Bevan played in Sachins era and scores 54 average...
So there were players scoring above Sachin in ODI...
Sachin was number 1 ranked for 368 days...
Kohli was number 1 ranked for 1786 days...
1994-1999 Sachin , the greatest batsman ever....no one's close ...absolutely freakish performances across formats & Single handedly winming matches across formats with a weak bowling attack.... aesthetically & skill wise the most complete player
Sachin has 54 test average with 18k+ test runs. Kohli 49 average and yet to score 9k tests runs. Sachin had 60+ average till 13k test runs in that era mate. These indian current generation are ipl and flat deck raina raydu loving kid. Kohli is a good test player but not that good his fans think. 49.1 vs 60+ (Sachin) till 10k+ test runs..man played 200 tests and still average 54. If Kohli end his test carrier with 48 average, no one will call him.great.
@@arpanbera7655 Truth!! Well said
Whatever but lara is bigger match winner than him and in terms of skills if lara 9.9 then sachin might be 9.0
@@arpanbera7655in ODI kohli's average 59 and Sachin's 44
@@arpanbera7655 Sachin don't have 18k test runs
And virat played on tougher pitches in India.. Rank turners from day 1
In Sachin era there were lots of draws just because of batting pitches that even don't change on day 5
I enjoyed watching Sachin play more than I enjoy watching Virat bat. Don't get me wrong I took great pride in Virat ratching up centuries. But, the stroke play, the on drives, cover drives by sachin were just chef's kiss!
Sachin scored 15k at 53 and kohli is averaging 48 and yet to get 10k. His average will go down to 46-47 by the time he retires. Even comparing them is ridiculous
Mind you Sachin played in an era where home Indian pitches were flat as highways.
2000s was the easiest batting era for tests..
Kohli plays in an era where home India pitches is rank turners..
Ball turns square from day 1.
But in Sachin's era even 5th day was a batting pitch in India..
So a 49 average of Virat is as good as 55 in Sachin's era.
@@user-uu8uk2qj1l I don't think so... Sachin played the turn effortlessly he has played against murli and warne two of the greatest spinners of all time and he just dominated them if you could remember the mumbai test against aus it was the rank Turner pitch in early 2000 and aus got out under 100 in 4th innings and ind won that test match on the 2nd Or 3rd day on the other hand virat want to play aggressive brand of cricket on to the rank Turner pitches during his captaincy turn over but as batsman he failed to dominate the spinners and in rohit captaincy era pitches are become more flatter side so that we can see some more exciting cricket from both the sides.
@@user-uu8uk2qj1l Sachin average was 58 till 180 innings
Also Sachin played in 90s most difficult era to bat against Akram mgrath murli shane
Sachin did it against better bowler on difficult pitches
Tendulkar 100%. He has 29 centuries outside india. Virat has 29 centuries total.
In the words of kohli. "How can you compare anyone with the person who made him fall in love with the game". Kohli himself never wants to be compared to sachin"His idol"
Disrespect for Sachin is too much thesedays. He was the ultimate Child Prodigy who continued to acheive great things - He is like Messi of Cricket !
Not really he is like pele not like Messi 😅
@@myvlogs1927Yes! 👆
Both are great! However, I like the stance, the confidence and the grace of Tendulkar!!! Every bowler wanted to get him out on the first ball!!! Being opening batsman he carried trust and pressure of 1000 million fans no batsman ever face!!!
hands down Tendulkar
I don’t know why everyone is so obsessed with comparison between sachin and Kohli ??? It seems everyone wants to pick Kohli over Sachin . Why are you doing it ?? Sachin has played in an era where 220 runs used to be par score , pitches used to bowler friendly , boundary used to very big , there used to one ball which means reverse swing was common phenomenon . How can you guys compare Sachin with anyone ??? Those who lived in his era knows his value , watch old highlight , Sachin was lone warrior most of his career towards end he got support from Sehwag , Yuvraj , Dhoni , Ganguly but in most of his career he was lone warrior .
Sachin has 54 test average with 18k+ test runs. Kohli 49 average and yet to score 9k tests runs. Sachin had 60+ average till 13k test runs in that era mate. These indian current generation are ipl and flat deck raina raydu loving kid. Kohli is a good test player but not that good his fans think. 49.1 vs 60+ (Sachin) till 10k+ test runs..man played 200 tests and still average 54. If Kohli end his test carrier with 48 average, no one will call him.great.
Kohli is better just agree .
He is the most complete batsman.
Can play tests and score hundreds in sa
And can also score 100 in just 52 balls .he is literally 6he greatest.
You guys are just nostalgic.
also when you could just pad away a spinner. When there was no necessary pressure to attack n score quicker.
@@annamalaian0711The game has become less serious and that's not even a debate.
Earlier rules weren't made to simply entertain and earn money, look at the teams now constantly pushing 350-400 in odis and 250's in t20s.
Modern day batters improving isn't the only reason, but the rules, of powerplay.
Of ball change.
If DRS etc have on a whole brought this massive tilt towards the game becoming batting friendly or runs oriented.
That is why the batsman have to score now, where at one time you had to leave and pad your way to survive a lethal spell of an opposing bowler.
Because 220-250 was a great score.
Bowling friendly lol?? Sachin time even a Sri-Lanker use to score 1000 runs in a test..most the test were draws ..what do u smoke by the way
Players of different era, Sachin has more credit because of the bowling quality of the era and India generally being underdogs. Virat is the superior Athlete and has more refined skils. So its understandable most pick Sachin.
Yes, different eras makes it completely subjective.
Would be interesting to compare the opinion of those who've grown up watching either play, and also those much older who have different childhood heroes and might be able to give a more balanced opinion.
Sachin played in a much easier era for batters with much friendlier home pitches
Sachin played in some of the easiest era for batting in test.
Walsh, Ambrose, Wasim, Waqar, Warne, Murali, Vaas, Saqlain, McGrath, etc etc. Anderson , Steyn were played by both. Name few bowlers of such stature that Virat played??? U will ve the answer. N also DRS, smaller grounds, batting pitches@@aj-wn4ps
@@aj-wn4ps I think any fan would agree with that fact that batting in general has become far easier now. From rule changes, to bats etc..there is no way batting was easier back then.
I think a lot of people have forgotten that Sachin was a very attacking player right uptill 2003-4 , both in Tests and ODI's and even in his late 30's he use to play attacking shots.
I think one of the things which favour Virat is that he is still playing and his best innings are more fresher in people's mind.
Yup, even later on he was attacking player. But he was a different beast in 90s
Lara fanboy here. Cannot argue with Jarrod's logic for picking Sachin over Lara. Also Virat fanboy: cannot argue picking Sachin over Virat in tests.
Yess. Virat 49.1 test average. If you are not an opener then 50+ average should be initial criteria to be considered as great. Even ABD has 50+ average. Each and every legend has. Just 50+ test average as minimum criteria. Sachin 54 test average with 200 tests and 18k+ test runs. Even Lara concerned on kohli below 50 test average. Ponting said Sachin is best in test over kohli bcz states is counts. What if Kohli could end test career at 48-49 average then no one call him great. Thank you and don't be overasrt.
Till 175 test, sachin's test average was 57. He maintained test average above 50 over more than 2 decades which is amazing feat.
Sachin played in flat pitch era. Kohli batted on difficult pitches. Sachin scored 10 centuries against Zimbabwe and Bangladesh@@arpanbera7655
GayBD fangay here. Kallis is official father of GayBD
@@arpanbera7655pitches bro pitches!
Technically kohli isn't half the batsman Tendulkar was. Tendulkar is 99.9 percent purity
I feel Rahul Dravid in test cricket is ahead then Sachin
@@harshavardhanreddy3806 nope...he wasn't...1996 test series in SA & .1999 test series in aus had the most spiciest pitches ..dravid was a walking wicket against McGrath & Lee & donald...Sachin was the man of the series in Australia & scored 2 100's in SA......
@@amitm2692Sachin has 54 test average with 18k+ test runs. Kohli 49 average and yet to score 9k tests runs. Sachin had 60+ average till 13k test runs in that era mate. These indian current generation are ipl and flat deck raina raydu loving kid. Kohli is a good test player but not that good his fans think. 49.1 vs 60+ (Sachin) till 10k+ test runs..man played 200 tests and still average 54. If Kohli end his test carrier with 48 average, no one will call him.great.
@@harshavardhanreddy3806Sachin best
What techniques have you applied to reach this conclusion
It has to be Tendulkar!
When Virat Kohli himself says, that “skill wise there is no comparison” .. Sachin Tendulkar without even a shadow of doubt. To be consistently great for 20 years is something else
Abe chomu😐😑😐😑😐 Toh Virat toh apne senior ki respect me ye toh bolega hi na or ye thodi na bolega ki me Sachin se best hu And Vice - versa for Sachin is well woh bhi Virat ki respect me bolega ki Virat mere se best h Toh tum log ye sab Faltu logic laana band karo yaar pehle toh 😐😑😐😑
@@cricketgaming4817 chomu tere jaise log hai jisko yeh pata nahi k respect earn ki jaati hai, and Sachin has earned is his respect, he started playing because of him and not only him whole generation of players started playing because of sachin. But I guess it’s a bit too much for your small brain to understand
@@cricketgaming4817 abe chomu tu, respect is earned, and Sachin has earned Virat’s respect by being consistently good over 20 years. Virat is currently not a best test batsman in the current era also. There is no disrespect to what Virat has done so far, but he is still not even close to what Sachin has done in test. But I guess tumhare liye yeh samajh se bahar hai
@@sanketscSachin is no where the greatest test batsman ~coming from an Indian.
If you are taking averages as your parameter then even Kumar sangakarra is better than Sachin.
Steve Smith,Don bradman ,Lara etc.
You just like Sachin becoz he is Indian
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@@Physics_scholar69 there is no logic to your comment. Let me explain, by your logic I should like Virat also, because he is also Indian ? And where have I ever mentioned about averages in my comment? And I have specifically mentioned test matches. Virat in ODI is better match winner then Sachin. Just as an FYI Sachin has a higher average than Lara in test matches.
It’s not a question. It’s not a comparison. It’s not a debate. There is only one truth, one god of cricket. Everything else figment of people’s imagination.
Xactly
NoStAlGiA merchant with a burnol
Kohli has been great but Sachin was class. Also don't forget the bowlers he faced from Wasim Akram, Younis, Ambrose, Mcgrath, Brett Lee, Akhtar, Warne, Muralitharan etc
Typical 90s Indians talking dick of sachin by hating virat 😂
Bowlers these days are equally good, the difference is the rules, grounds and pitches are more batter friendly
I agree with the assessment - Tendulkar for tests and Kohli for short formats. For me Kohli has been the epitiome of the ultimate top order finisher when in. I can recall too many instances where Sachin took us to the end and perished...the Chennai test, the Barbados test etc. Before die hard pundits talk about his back spasms, tennis elbow etc. I would again point to Kohli for bringing physical professionalism and a soldier like workout regimen into his routine. He is seldom if ever injured.
Sachin has 54 test average with 18k+ test runs. Kohli 49 average and yet to score 9k tests runs. Sachin had 60+ average till 13k test runs in that era mate. These indian current generation are ipl and flat deck raina raydu loving kid. Kohli is a good test player but not that good his fans think. 49.1 vs 60+ (Sachin) till 10k+ test runs..man played 200 tests and still average 54. If Kohli end his test carrier with 48 average, no one will call him.great.
@@arpanbera7655 pls read my comment. I said srt for tests but kohli for shorter formats....don't throw stats....they only tell half the story about impact.
Hehe.. Kohli is not an opener.. It's too much if you ask an opener to play the role of a finisher.
It only emphasizes the fact that the whole batting lineup was completely dependent on Sachin. Kohli is much more privileged that he gets to play in his groove because of a much better batting lineup.
It was a shame that Sachin suffered Tennis elbow, he lost a significant part of his peak, moreover he had to change his gameplay so as to sustain his career.
@@chandramohanbisht7316 Huh? Opener? You are missing the point altogether. Read carefully before trolling. I can recall numerous occasions in the shorter format, where Kohli was there practically from beginning to the very end. I cited at least a couple of examples in tests where Sachin flattered to deceive. Took us to the finish line and threw it away.
@@hblix2007 there are many ways to look at this. You can say because of Sachin we got closer to the finish line, or you can say Sachin did not have much support from the other end. You cannot blame the only person in the team who played well for not winning the match. it's a team sport. This was first part.
Second part, I guess you have no idea about the history. During the match fixing years, sachin has single handedly won matches for India, when he knew half the team was sold. And he had noone to complain to. Just imagine the level of pressure. Just because there was no media coverage at the time and probably you were in your nappies, you cannot take away that from him. 2011 world cup, the veteran sachin was the highest scorer whereas your king kohli was not even in top 5. Grow up and say sorry to Sachin.
The people outside India don't know the pressure Sachin used bear on his shoulders everytime he went out to bat. Virat is great but Sachin is the reason many could dream and hope.
Ha jaise India me Sachin ke andhbhakt h waise hi Outside India wale logo ko bhi apne jaisa banado 😐😑😐🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Outside India wale Jaante h ki Match winner kon h, Kohli is big match player, Mohali epic 82* MCG 82* Greatest knock ever and many more innings in under pressure in big game ❤ Greatest Chase master ever ❤Greatest test captain ever ❤ King👑 kohli jaisa koi nhi Undisputed GOAT🐐 Kohli ❤❤
Definitely no disrespect to Sachin He is God of cricket ❤but Virat kohli is GREATEST OF ALL TIME🙏 ❤❤❤👍👍👍
@@cricketgaming4817 The amount of emojis you have used shows your age and maturity
@@ichneumon2776 even most of the old generation rates kohli above Sachin
Virat has won more matches than Sachin for india
@@cricketgaming4817 Sachin has 54 test average with 18k+ test runs. Kohli 49 average and yet to score 9k tests runs. Sachin had 60+ average till 13k test runs in that era mate. These indian current generation are ipl and flat deck raina raydu loving kid. Kohli is a good test player but not that good his fans think. 49.1 vs 60+ (Sachin) till 10k+ test runs..man played 200 tests and still average 54. If Kohli end his test carrier with 48 average, no one will call him.great.
We love tendulkar. We saw his wonderful Era , he faced world dangerous bawler and great spinner like warn, murali, and many other.
There is more to sachin - he symbolized hope for us, India was way more poorer, his win against countries like Australia, England and Pakistan gave us pride and confidence . First time in history, a person was shouldering 1 billion ppl on his shoulders. It’s fair to say we won’t have so many fans for cricket in India today if it wasn’t for sachin
Sachin in his 20s (till the 2003 WC) was the best batsman ever to have played this game. Period.
Sachin was beautiful to watch.
Slightly more so than Virat.
I would have them both !
Can't believe this is even a comparison. Virat probably doesn't even make the list of Top 5 Indian test batters. Sachin. Gavaskar. Dravid. VVS. Vengsarkar.
Than i think you don't have the cricket knowledge he most consistent batter ever played .
@@akarshkumar6838I don't think you've ever seen the others bat if you're calling them inconsistent.
Virat makes this list above Dravid, VVS and Vengsarkar easy. Probably even Gavaskar.
@@kpwand those other player you talking about they said same thing about Virat he is most consistent batter ever played the game. In all three formats.
@@Hrithik23 you must be gen z. dravid and gavaskar below kohli in tests, thats blasphemy
I don't know about who's better but I'll have Sachin in my ultimate XI just because he was more than a handy bowler.
No argument !!! There is only one GOAT !!! Sachin Ramesh Tendulkar. God of Cricket
The attack Sachin faced was far more deadlier than what Virat faced both in fast n spin. The pitches were a lot nicer to bowlers. No DRS back then (Sachin would ve had 20 more centuries). Size of grounds. The pressure that Sachin had all through his career can be known only to people of India coz they switched off tv the moment he was out till Sehwag came (a decade of lone warrior 90's). Virat himself will acknowledge that any day. Sachin cannot be compared. GOAT.
If Virat have no drs he would more than 100 right now.
I feel Steve Bucknor is clear difference
You nostalgic merchants are cry babies fr.
On one hand you say bowling was better 😂😂on the other hand you say pitches were better for bowlers then.
Then why and how bowlers like bumrah ,pat Cummins, Rabada, Ashwin, Yasir shah etc.has better averages and more wickets than your so called legend bowlers even though pitches are flat and most favourable for batters.
@@Physics_scholar69 is Cummins better than curtley Ambrose?
Is rabada better than Alan Donald?
Is Ashwin better than warne?
😂😂
-Test XI-
Hayden
Sangakarra (w/k)
Lara
Tendulkar
Kohli
Ponting (c)
Kallis
Gilchrist
Warne
McGrath (1st ball)
Ambrose
Imran (12th)
Really? Heard of Steve Smith?
People who have seen peak Tendulkar will know that he is the closest to batting perfection , easily a level above Virat ......
Sachin's ODI greatness is very underrated..... first 80 innings he used to come at 5 down.... also he used to carry the batting single handedly for most part till late 90s when ganguly dravid arrived ..... perfect example is 1996 wc semifinal , uptil he was at the crease India were on course to win , once he got out a disastrous collapse ......
Sachin has 54 test average with 18k+ test runs. Kohli 49 average and yet to score 9k tests runs. Sachin had 60+ average till 13k test runs in that era mate. These indian current generation are ipl and flat deck raina raydu loving kid. Kohli is a good test player but not that good his fans think. 49.1 vs 60+ (Sachin) till 10k+ test runs..man played 200 tests and still average 54. If Kohli end his test carrier with 48 average, no one will call him.great.
@@arpanbera7655 what about other formats?
Even Kohli would choose Sachin over him at anytime any stage।
I really don't think Virat in tests is even top 3 indian batters. It goes Tendulkar, Dravid and Gavaskar. look at the batting averages just for comparison because test as a whole hasn't changed nearly as much as ODIs (powerplay, field restrictions, two new balls) but in tests the only difference might be of pitches and balls (which haven't changed much either)
Tests has gone a massive change since 2018.
Tests have become so much result oriented that allmost all tests are producing results.
How? By making rank turners in India and extreme swing pitches in England...
Sachin Dravid played Tests when batting was easiest in Tests(2000s).
Tests had a 60% chance of a draw in that era...
Scores of even 900+ was made with just 2 inningses batted in entire 5 day was possible in that era...
Tests started producing rank turners and it startes affecting batting averages...
Kohli's test average of 49 is as good as 55 in past era of 2000s.
@@user-uu8uk2qj1l Kohli has been a failure in test for good three years now
That way you had to "go through" Dravid every game.. the 2003-2004 Adelaide test was testament to that.. he matched Ponting every step of the way
Jarrod is really on another level with analyses, insights and conviction! Love it
Don't forget Tendulkar played when India didn't have as big a say in cricket management.
Test - Sachin
ODIs - VIrat
I would pick Tendulkar even in ODIs. Don't compare both players on the basis of only the records.
@@chandramohanbisht7316 Nope! Kohli is a far superior ODI player. ABD was the GOAT in ODIs though
@@imviiku far easy conditions today. Tendulkar miles ahead.
Sachin built the foundation for the next generation of Indian cricketers like Virat to build the super structure.
Ironically, people tend to praise the super structure Rather than the Foundation....
Imagine ANYONE ( not just Virat) at the age of 16 facing Waqar A, Wasim A and Imran K. Add to that he had never ever even practiced things of such speed in India ever. A kid, a Sachin goes on to perform from there till he retired, giving hope to India every single time. He should be compared to Lionel Mess, Pele , Michael P, Michael Jordan, Ali. All these legends were more than just about the game. They changed something about the sport. They took it forward to a next level and showed the world how sports can change life. Sachin belongs to such a level. He was born to push cricket as a sport. Another Virat might come, there might be other Virats in the history. There is only ONE Sachin.
sachin took the knickers of shane warne in his prime....virat, lara blah blah etc. could only dream about that..thats all you need to know
Yeah bro....he was a beast in his prime....
Lara? Have you watched him? He averages 70+ against Warne. He didn't just dream about destroying Warne, he did it with quite the aplomb. Tendulkar is a legend and had a pretty long career, but in patches, over shorter durations, both Lara and Ponting were bigger match winners than him in whites.
@@soumyaranjanpattnaik2354 😂😂 lol
I love Kohli when he's on song. But Tendulkar is the greatest ever. It's not close for me. Tendulkar by far.
"Who would you rather watch" is a rather incomplete question. The bats have changed significantly. With the new bats - you would not bother with Kohli. Sachin Tendulkar's cover drive with the old bat could break hands. He followed Gavaskar who batted with his left hand. No point in comparing numbers - See the desert storm innings (2) and Kohli has never done that to the best team of all time.
Well u can pick up virat , no doubt he is an exceptional talent and a blessing for the Indian cricket team , and yes a great player , but then plsss pick wasim akram , McGrath, warne , murali , waqar , Shoaib, lee , chaminda vaas , dale Steyn, Shaun pollock , anil kumble , saqlain mushtaq ..... U need quality bowlers if u want to pick Virat, if the world can't produce such legendary bowlers then Plsss dont pick anyone
Just let the greats be and stop the comparison, Sachin has played walsh , ambrose , imran khan etc , hebhas played every bowler for over 2 decades
Peace 🕊️ ✌🏻 🕊️
Agree include mohammed asif in that list too. Moreover, Sachin faced these poten bowling attacks in around the same period virat didn't face prime amir pre ban and mohakmed asif who at that time best test batsman like Kevin pieterson, AB devilliers, ponting, Clarke and amla rated as unplayable he faced a pakistani attack that had injury prone umar gul, wahab Riaz, a England attack with only broad and Anderson only good in home conditions Sri Lanka only had malinga South Africa had steyn aussies did have potent Johnson, and then starc but these attacks were never comparable with wasim, waqar, shoaib, saqlain. Mcgrath, Lee, warne. Vans, murli Shane bond. Ambrose and Co Sachin had to battle these bowling units in adversarial difficult conditions when reverse swing still was a phenomenon. Now there is no reverse swing with 2 new balls, bigger bats, smaller boundaries and generally conditions favouring batsman. I remember wisden cricket showed empirical data that had DRS been around wasim akram time he would of had 300 more wickets of plumb LBW. Fast competent skilled bowling was a thing of the 90's. Having said that maybe if kohli would be around that period due to his mindset he would easily excelled too.
Tendulkar hands down
Tendulkar any day. Played against far better bowlers than kohli.
Sachin has 54 test average with 18k+ test runs. Kohli 49 average and yet to score 9k tests runs. Sachin had 60+ average till 13k test runs in that era mate. These indian current generation are ipl and flat deck raina raydu loving kid. Kohli is a good test player but not that good his fans think. 49.1 vs 60+ (Sachin) till 10k+ test runs..man played 200 tests and still average 54. If Kohli end his test carrier with 48 average, no one will call him.great.
Sachin had 63 test average at 9k test runs in that era and kohli 49 averags
The bowlers that Tendulkar faced, makes him the greatest.
Wasim, Waqar, Mcgrath, Bret Lee, Shoaib, Dayle Sten, Shane Warne, Murlidharan, Pollock to name a few.
If longevity is a big deal (which it is), why isn't tendulkar above bradman? Sachin dominated against 3 generations of best bowlers in thsir prime and came out on top every time barring his last away tours in 2012. Call it bias, but with technology and home ground advantage starting to peak from the 90s, sachin should be considered the better batter than Bradman.
Because Bradman also dominated for a long time (1928-1949)
@@mwilkins1644 but only 50 odd tests
@@shubhangkulkarni364 WWII, boat travel and two life threatening illnesses would do that to a man
Edit: The first class scene back then was basically test quality anyway; Bradman's first class record is also very awesome
He is. People are scared to Admit. Bradman played only Test Cricket that too only in Australia and England. Sachin has scored a ton everywhere.
There is no Virat without SRT. What SRT did for millions of Indians in the 90s no one can take away from him. But Virat changed the game and how we view cricket today. Reluctantly, I will go for Virat..
This conversation is pure gold
As someone who grew up watching SRT and has followed Virat's career from the beginning, I had high hopes from virat as a test player when he just started. I always believed he would overtake SRT in all formats (in terms of numbers). Virat is still my GOAT but I agree that SRT was a better batter. and thats because of the mountains of runs and centuries he scored in tests. virat is a better white ball better for sure. but i feel you have to be a test great to compete in the all time greats list and that virat is not.
If you don't pick Tendulkar, you have no cricket knowledge.
Same goes for Virat kohli
Yeah I agree but don't ever pick Rohit Sharma over Adam Gilchrist, Mathew Hayden, sehwag or any legends. If you do pick him you have no cricketing knowledge just biased
@@thedarkavatar7161 Just accept your Bias Against Him
@@TerrAquaor Ur Bias towards Him…😂😂
Sachin is messi @@-HCSEvirat is cr7..one is born talent another peak training and development and elite athlete
Sachin was a freak of nature
I'd pick Sachin, because he can also give some handy overs to his captain.
Sachin has 54 test average with 18k+ test runs. Kohli 49 average and yet to score 9k tests runs. Sachin had 60+ average till 13k test runs in that era mate. These indian current generation are ipl and flat deck raina raydu loving kid. Kohli is a good test player but not that good his fans think. 49.1 vs 60+ (Sachin) till 10k+ test runs..man played 200 tests and still average 54. If Kohli end his test carrier with 48 average, no one will call him.great.
It's the case of one thinks he's good and one knows he's good.
This is a no brainer question for someone who has watched cricket since 95-96. The real question is Lara v Tendulkar and the answer is Lara by just a whisker.
Sachin played a large span of his career against- Wasim Akram (916wkts), Waqar Younis (789wkts), Shane Warne (995wkts), Glenn Mcrath (944wkts), Muttiah Muralitharan (1334wkts), Chaminda Vaas (755wkts), Shaun Pollock (814wkts), Allan Donald (602wkts), Jaques Kallis (565wkts), Curtly Ambrose (635wkts), Courtney Walsh (746wkts), Daniel Vettori (667wkts) and also the likes of Shahid Afridi (395 ODI wkts), Saqlain Mushtaq (288 ODI wkts) and Sanath Jayasurya (323 ODI Wkts). Then there are many bowlers like Shoaib Akhtar (257 Odi wkts), Abdul Razzaq (269 ODI wkts), Andrew Flintoff (375wkts) etc. who do not have big numbers but were exceptionally good. Sachin played in an era that perhaps is the most lethal bowling era. And he not only outperformed these bowling greats, he outlived most of them onfiled. No one is even close to the greatness of Sachin Tendulkar.
For someone who made cricket famous in India and his dismissal would turn off tvs. And now for Virat to replace him and become the face of country is like a whole new level of greatness. No one India would have thought Kohli would go past sachin when Sachin just passed on the torch.
Kohli for ages 🔥
hatsoff to the show for bringing the topic of kohli busy schedule. people underestimating the mental fitness of kohli here. he has played 100 tests 300 ODIs 350 T20s in the span of just 15 years.. and talking about kohli stats in test cricket. he has probably faced tough test teams compared to 90s. back then england newzealand SA were not that dominant even at their home. now every team is dominant at home. kohli has few test centuries but most of the centuries came in SENA countries. sachin is all time great but kohli is the face of modern cricket. tell me one player who has great longevity after 2010 without an injury, when 3 of fab 4 is disappeared in t20 cricket, kohli still stood tall for India and scored important 76 runs for his country in the big Final. im out of words tbh.
Sachin was a natural gifted guy, Virat has had to work hard on everything - technique, diet, workout.
If Virat stops working out, he is nothing, Sachin didnt have to the gym, because he was natural.
Well said....
Sachin gave India hope, Virat has just carried it through!
Brian Charles Lara. The most steely and stylish batsman on his era. Only one batsman equals him of steel. Steve Waugh. He’s unmatched in style. In ESPN Cricinfo’s top 50 performances of test cricket, not one of Lara’s contemporaries has one entry. Lara has four, all in the top 20, one in the top 5.
Sachin carried the indian team in the 90s. With bat and the ball. Man was a batting allrounder. Without him the team was nothing. He was the poster boy for indian cricket and world cricket. Indian team in the 21st century was 100 times better than the ones in the 90s.
Kohli 2016 ❤❤❤🔥🔥🔥🔥
sachin is just on another level. there are great players and will always be. but sachin has to be one of the greatest of all time
Both will be in the Team🙏
Another note. Tendulkar has never achieved more than 900 points in the ICC batting rankings. Bradman, Viv, Sanga, Kallie and Lara all have their peak ICC batting points well over 900 points. If you’re talking about technical mastery, there is no better batsman than Tendulkar. If you’re talking about the ability to win test matches single-handedly and demoralizing the opposition, that is a fight between Viv, Lara and Kohli. Not Sachin
Also, as for Tendulkar’s longevity, it was facilitated by the fact that the BCCI possibly has the best player/board relations in the world. Brian Lara and every star player after him eventually went to war with the WICB over their mismanagement of the team and the game in the region. And it has been argued that the board played a big part in his eventual retirement. It certainly wasn’t a natural retirement because his ante antepenultimate innings was a double hundred in Pakistan, where he became one of the then few men to score a hundred in one session
Oh common this is no brainer. Sachin faced Wasim, Waqar, Sohaib, Brett Lee, Mcgrath, Bikel, Gillespie, Bond, Tuffey, Crains, Murildhiran, Vaas, Goff, Anderson, Caddick, Flintoff.
Virat other than one or two when they were about to retire, didnt face anyone at their peak. And quality of bowlers has gone down so much in the last decade, its only realistically 3 or 4 teams plsying competitive cricket.
The idea of Cricket Glamourised in india when Sachin came, India got to see Sachin in Color TV's because that was the time when colour TV came around, Not only the Nostalgia, The Temperament and Records and even the History will say Sachin is better, he's basically Cricketing GOD. You don't compare anyone with the GOD himself. Compare Kohli with Humans from next time.
If there was no Tendulkar there never would have been a Virat
Lara doesn't have the ODI career that Tendulkar had. Also, modern India test pitches were horrible. I think Ponting was underrated
Ponting suffered badly in India
What held back SRT from becoming greater than GOAT is the Tennis elbow that he had suffered at his very peak.
*Sachin is messi and virat is cristiano ronaldo* .if u know how different they are and why they are both goats in their own way. ul understand the analogy
Great insights!
Virat himself says dont compare me with sachin on any basis❤️✌🏻....BUT FANS ARE NOT UNDERSTANDING 🤦♂️
as a Batsman: SACHIN TENDULKAR
as a Cricketer: VIRAT KHOLI
human being: SACHIN TENDULKAR
attitude: VIRAT KOHLI
As a cricketer Sachin Tendulkar was a thousand time better bowler
Stats are misleading without context. Kohli has played in an era where batting has become a lot more easier. Virat is nowhere near Sachin.
Well, data says otherwise, Kohli os in an era where batting is signifocantky more difficult.
@@harshvardhanagrawal2225 or maybe they’re just not skilled enough to play in more difficult conditions due to the advent of t20. I’ve seen kohli struggle against bang average spinners and teams fall apart because of a bit of swing
@@ab2035 Spot on
Completely agree. Bats are bigger now, pitches have become much more batter friendly, rules have become more batter friendly, fitness standards have improved. Sachin even without all this in my opinion was better than Kohli
@@rohit19 exactly if you used the same yardstick to compare kohli then you’ll find 50 other players who are potentiallly better than Sachin too.
The people who play or played the game will easily pick Virat. Difference is Virat wins you games (like Lara) Sachin puts the team in a position to have a chance of winning. The people who play knows, carrying the team is excellent but carrying over the line is harder and rarer. Two different types of excellence but the later is exciting. Sachin till 1999 was similarly exciting, after that he was reliably good.
Rahul Dravid(31,258 balls) faced more balls then Sachin Tendulkar (29,437 balls) in test.
No one had a prime like Virat Kohli
After Bradman I will always pick Tendulkar..
ALWAYS..
The only thing let Tendulkar down he didn't made 300+ in a Test match I go for Lara after Bradman 😎👊🏽
@@irvingpaul4939lara is a better batsman than Tendulkar. Tendulkar propanol has better touch than lara or Kohli, but he doesn’t have the application of mind in crunch situations; anyway his attacking game was always in air where’s as lara would be grounded.
You never even watched Bradman play 😂
@@ankitdubey459Sachin has 54 test average with 18k+ test runs. Kohli 49 average and yet to score 9k tests runs. Sachin had 60+ average till 13k test runs in that era mate. These indian current generation are ipl and flat deck raina raydu loving kid. Kohli is a good test player but not that good his fans think. 49.1 vs 60+ (Sachin) till 10k+ test runs..man played 200 tests and still average 54. If Kohli end his test carrier with 48 average, no one will call him.great.
@gts8919 gosh you don't know your Cricket, Cricket is all about Stats and Bradman stats were bloody Good and you got to remember back in dem days they played on uncover pitches know you 🏏 😂😂😂😂😂😎👊🏽
I think It's unfair to compare two different sportsmen who dominate in completely different times. Sachin is probably the perfectionist batsman to ever play the game. He made staggering numbers consistently for the longest time. He is a phenomenal talent when it comes to playing right shot for the particular ball and he's equipped with a mentality to not make mistakes and stay for the longest periods of time doing right things to score runs. As a result the team benifits from his performances.
But when it comes to virat, he's got weakness, his shot selection is pretty much bang on but he rarely plays square cuts or backfoot cuts, he relies on straight batted shots for most of the ball in test cricket (or in general), his pull shot is not as effective as many others. Yet he finds his own ways to score huge runs and just his presence is a huge threat to the opposing side. Virat has been playing more cricket since a very long time as IPL has become a huge part for the cricket itself. When he walks in, the man just has one thought in his mind and that is to win the game for country no matter what. And that desire to win and dominate the game and opposition is what makes him different from the rest and its that mentality that ignited the fire not only in rest of the Indian contingents but the entire nation. He believes in winning by making miracles and that's why he's so passionate and he keeps giving his entirety till the end.
If I need to win and I have to choose one out of these two legends of the game, I will choose virat Kohli repeatedly over Sachin Tendulkar. It's like listening to a simphony, or watching an artist paint a masterpiece everytime when this man's chasing and snatching games from opposition's hands.
Only convincing argument for Sachin is what Jarrod made. He is good over a long period of time. If you want package of a player, hands down Virat Kohli any day. It’s just that Kohli peaked way too early.
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There is space in any all time XI side for both of them. There will be more than one batsman on that XI after all. If I had to choose though it would be Sachin.
Kohli.. Period!
- Kohli's mental toughness, self belief, killer instinct is unmatched.
- Kohli has been great as a captain too, Sachin was a great batsman.
- Kohli's record while chasing is unmatched - (he thrives on adversity)
- Kohli is more charismatic (subjective)
- 50+ average on all 3 formats, (which is insane)
- defeated Australia in australia
- peak Kohli was an absolute beast
- Kohli has a spine. Sachin didn't.
Yes, the only areas Sachin beats him are:
- longevity
- test cricket
Viv Richards. The best. Bradman and others got better runs, better averages, yes.
But there are two reasons why I think Viv Richards is the best.
1. for sheer terror Viv put in the bowler's heart (both fast and spin)
2. We'd never know about how comfortable mentally Don Bradman was in facing Larwood and other hostile fast bowlers of his day. He did it just like everybody else. Mike Holding said it in as many words, when the bowl starts consistently coming at your body at 90+mph, all you are thinking about is self preservation. Viv was different. When helmets were made AVAILABLE and the rest of the world scrambled to find themselves those shields, Viv would -straddle- swagger out with only the maroon cap.
Just to make it clear, I'm from India, and I love Sachin, Sehwag, Kohli, Laxman, and others. As well as Lara & ABD. But the best for me, Viv Richards, every day of the week.
Sachin.. the GOAT in Indian cricket.
He was a one man army until Saurav put together a core group to support Sachin. Without Sachin, India were a less than average side in the 90s. He literally made India competitive. A player that raised the collective standard of the playing eleven. I would argue Virat has better on field leadership- but not a GOAT yet.
I just cant deny virat kohli but i have massive respect for sachin, sachin is just insane ,virat is modern great batsman
Feels oddly inflammatory to have anyone even mentioned in the same breadth as Sachin
My question here is there wasn't T-20 format in Sachin's era would it been have been difficult for him to manage 3 formats, and for someone like Virat isn't it difficult to switch from one format to other
I've been watching the cricket for the last 30 years ........India will never see a batsman like Sachin again ......What makes him special he was at his best in the most difficult era of batting ........he was more destructive in the '90s compared to 2000.......
Totally worth watching ❤️
Bat for my Life- Sachin
Win me games- Kohli
Win me tournaments- Dhoni
Pay my hard earned money to go and watch live- AB Divilliers (most talented batter to have ever played the game)
You guys forgot Sunil Ganaskar India’s greatest test batsman ever. 13 centuries against mighty West Indies without a helmet. Name another batsman in that era who did that. Won & saved more test matches than any other batsman from India. Also you have no idea of the pressure Sachin had vs Kohli. In 90s we used to switch off TV once Sachin got out. It only changed once Ganguly & Dravid came in. Sachin had/has 10 times more fan following than Kohli. Please do your research better boys 🙂
Sachin has played bowlers like
Wasim akram
Waqar younus
Shoaib akthar
Saqlain mustaq
Chaminda vaas
Muthaiah Muralitharan
Glen Mc grath
Shane warne
Allen Donald
Shan pollack
Courtney Walsh
Curtly Ambrose.
Show one current day bowler who can close come to any one of these bowlers.
Stop being a fool uncle..
A common bowler both Sachin and Kohli faced was Anderson.
Sachin averages 23 vs Anderson.
Kohli averages 44 vs Anderson.
Stop being a FOOL
@@user-uu8uk2qj1l sachin was not in his prime when he faced Anderson
Clouderson is not even close to someone like curtley Ambrose
It has to be Sachin absolutely no comparison period!!!!
Tests-- Sachin Tendulkar
ODIs-- Virat Kohli
It's simple I guess...
If considering both formats...
Sachin that's it, Virat is not a great test player... Come on he have a lot and lot of failures
I had 🍿 while enjoying this convo. Let's ask the bowlers who they'd pick, shall we? The all time greats, right from the '90s.