The FIRST and BEST Chinese Wireless Electronic Groupset? Wheeltop EDS TX Initial Review
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- Опубликовано: 5 июл 2024
- Here's my initial review after about 300km with the Wheeltop EDS TX. So far I really like it as my first electronic and wireless groupset. Incredibly easy to install, and quite functional with the app. I'm looking forward to putting it through the test over time!
Intro 0:00
How much did I pay? 0:17
Why did I buy the Wheeltop EDS TX? 0:35
Out of the box and build 1:58
Initial Calibration 2:44
I dropped my bike! 3:22
My thoughts so far 4:00
Pros 9:40
Cons 11:43
Would I recommend this groupset? 14:02
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Have you used the Wheeltop EDS TX? If so, what are your thoughts so far? 🤔
im sticking with LTWOO mech because of the future with parts no being available. its the soul reason i stay away from EBikes. once they start using rebular 9v or AA, id invest but until then, i would stay away from it.
@@Green.Monday JFYI L-Twoo eR9/eRX uses AA batteries.
after one week of riding:
1. missing clicks of handles. On a noisy road i cant understand if i pressed a button or not.
2. need a fine tune for front derailleur. does anyone know how to enter it?
3. multiple gears shifting is a super feature, but sometimes its terrible. I cannot catch timing to shift 2 or 3 gears.
Great video Henry, can’t wait for the long term review 🎉 super job on install
Thanks for your comment and for watching! Stay tuned for a long term review and fingers crossed it lasts 🤞
Thank you for this video! Looks good so far and it's the only current groupset with a rim brake version!
Thank you for watching! Yes the only rim brake wireless groupset which can revive many rim brake frames 🤙
Good stuff Henry.
Thanks Patrick 🙏
my new bike with the EDS TX is arriving tomorrow. Super pumped!
Amazing and congrats! Which bike did you end up getting?
Great video. Thanks for sharing. Will also be trying this out soon. Curious how it compares to L-Twoo.
Thanks for your feedback and for watching! I've done quite a bit of research on LTwoo ER9 vs Wheeltop EDS TX, and so far there seemed to be some issues with the LTwoo and groupsets dying (not sure if it's battery related or water ingress). So far, there haven't been any red flags on the Wheeltop, but only time will tell!
love to see you have a go at removing
eplacing the derailleur batteries
I’d love to check, but I don’t want to ruin the groupset just in case 😂
I've done 80 miles so far on mine . They've been be great so far. I completely agree with your analysis, and I had the same issue with bleeding the brakes due to the hoods . Ended up with some very sore thumbs rolling the rubber back.
I think I lost my thumbs in the process 😂
Good video, thanks. What about the batteries? Can they be replaced when the time comes?
Thanks for watching! I'm not enitrely sure if the batteries can be replaced as of yet. I believe the battery compartment might be sealed, so you'd have to use tools to remove them (might also have waterproofing epoxy/sealant).
I just ordered one for my rim brake tarmac. I can't wait to get it, and try to install it. Hopefully, that goes well.
Amazing! I’m sure it will revive your rim brake tarmac and make it like a completely new bike 👌
I’ve been tracking this Groupset but there are only few people reviewing it. Looking forward for your long term review before i decided to buy one. My pocket is limited for those high end groupset.
Yes it’s fairly new to the game! I’m hoping it’ll last forever 🤞
Good job!
Thank you for watching!
This looks superb,if these groupsets hold up then with time they're a no brainer vs the big boys.
Agreed! For the price, if they hold up then they’re well worth the price 👍
Wait what wheeltop Malaysia😮😱😱 ayyy ✌🏼❤️ from Malaysia dude😊
Yes! So far so good and I’m glad I installed it on my road bike 🤙
Can you reprogram the shifters to run like SRAM Etap? RH shifter shifts into harder gear, LH shifts into easier gear. Do both RH/LH at same time shifts front derailleur.
I don’t believe this is possible but I could be wrong. There are 2 buttons on the right shifter, and 1 button on the left shifter
Great video…omg the hoods are so tough…my fingers still hurt 😂
Agreed! I think I lost a couple of my fingers 😂
Hey! A few questions: What brakes did you use with this wheelset? What rotors?
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Those are the brake pads I used. Rotors I used from my previous build with the Onirii BR-05, but it also depends on your bike frame.
Will your bike computer tell you when the battery is low? Or tell you about the battery level at all?
Thanks!
The bike computer is a Magene C606 and does have screens to show which gear it’s in and battery levels, but not sure if it’s configurable for this groupset yet.
i've been using it for about a month. it works quite well & budget friendly. one bad thing is that it wont pair with a garmin head unit... wonder they will give an update anytime soon
Awesome! Yea I've been trying to get it to pair to my Magene C606 without any luck. Perhaps a future app/FW update?
battery can be remove there is a screw for it. great stuff keep it up!
Thanks for the feedback! I’m hesitant to open the battery compartment, but if I can get my hands on another set I’ll try it out 🤔
I purchased the rim brake version good so far. my only issue is fine tuning which I'm struggling with as it's really awkward to do. Cost is worth it so far.
Fine tuning seems to work fine for me. Maybe try increments of say 50? Also make sure you're fine tuning the right gear as the 0 is for the smallest cog, and the largest number is your largest cog (biggest cassette).
Hi @henrychungfitness , im planning to buy hygge frameset.. do you think 32c tire can still fit on the frame? The item description says max tire 700x30c.. The geometry chart measures 410mm for the chain stay length..
I’ve read online that a 32 could work at the front but might be tight in the rear. I haven’t tried it yet though so I can’t comment
Thanks man!! ill be placing my order now.. ride safe!!
@@Mark-R. awesome enjoy the new ride and ride safe too!
Enjoy, Great groupset, love the option of running 7-14sp, unfortunately my groupset the rear derailleur seized during setup, gutted.
Wheeltop’s support was great but unable to resolve the issue so I’ve had to return. This is where the problems begin, if I could purchase/replace a rear derailleur separately it would be fine. Unfortunately the whole groupset has to be returned so I’ve opted for refund.
Managed to get SRAM rival front/rear derailleurs with shifters for about the same price. This was without batteries/charger which I already have but at least I can replace a single component should issues occur. Now to make it work on an 11 speed bike 🤞
Looking forward to the long term review.
Sorry to hear your rear derailleur seized during setup. Could you elaborate on how it seized? I’m wondering if it had to be set to initial calibration then forced all the way to the smallest cog to unseize it. I found I couldn’t move my rear derailleur until I did the initial calibration step again. Congrats on the SRAM groupset though 👍
@@henrychungfitness was working fine and it got stuck at largest sprocket. Watched a few of the video guides about re-calibrating but when selecting the arrows it wouldn’t move even though it was trying to motor.
Selecting through shifters it would allow you to select 2-3-4-5 etc but wouldn’t move and would default back to gear 1.
Quite gutted as I like the fact it’s mineral oil brakes, wireless and capable of just about any speed combination.
It really is the inconvenience and time delay of returning back to china.
Well I have managed to set up SRAM AXS rival to run 11speed, and it is pretty quite and shifts very well without compromise.
Something I didn’t think would really work without the Wheeltop groupset, certainly the quality between the two is near identical.
I must have just been unlucky.
I look forward to your long term review !
@@karlmoreton8182 It's too bad your Wheeltop didn't work out, but glad to hear that you were able to setup the SRAM AXS rival. Also cool to hear that they're fairly identical in quality! Thanks for watching and enjoy the new electronic groupset 👍
Hi what size front chainset are u using?? I've heard u can only use up to a 50mm chainring (compact) so no good for people running a semi 52/36!! Not good
I’m using 50/34 chainring, but I believe it can go up to 54t. Their website shows 53t atleast 👍
Ive got a 52/36 and it works fine trimming is excellent
Bonjour, comment est fixé le dérailleur avant sur le cadre ? Cordialement Jérôme
Bonjour, tu peux voir à 2:36 comment fixé le dérailleur avant. C’est une seule vis 👍
So there are no brake pads included? Then I'll have to order some..
Yes no brake pads included. I had to grab my own which was a bit annoying because I didn't realize the size/shape
very good vdo bro
Thank you for sharing your installation video! I've linked it in my description and I hope others can find it useful 🙂
I have considered electronic groupset, even shimano 105 di2 and the chinese ones. not entirely convinced of the longevity of these groupsets. will stick with mechanical ones for the time being. good point in the comment about app longevity.
It's definitely a risk going with electronic, but it's so much easier to setup bikes now 😁
The problem with any electronics that are programmable through a mobile app is that if for some reason the supporting app gets discontinued you're doomed. I have a pair of Powertap P2 pedals and you can't adjust for crank length because the app can't be found anymore. Hopefully the apps for these groupsets will not get discontinued any time soon.
I just got an Ltwoo egr and tbh I didn’t even think of that. If these had some sort of shared platform/open source, giving the tools to the people would basically make these infinite. But these are china companies they can easily get acquired, and sold there by killing the whole project. I didn’t realize that these have a shelf life. I hope these become more user friendly, (I doubt it but) open source-ish, and continue to get support
@@pitsa9838 Friend this is exactly what happened to the Powertap powermeter pedals. They got acquired by SRAM and SRAM decided to kill the project. My old phone broke and now I can't download the app from anywhere since it is no longer available on the app store or play store. Tried to find an apk from somewhere but no luck. Now I'm stuck with powermeter pedals that can't be adjusted for any crank length. They were adjusted for 172.5 and I've moved to 165 so all power readings are quite off. This can happen to any electronic grouset not only Chinese ones. For example, battery standards will change over time and as a result in a few years you couldn't find any batteries that are suitable for your groupset (this includes Shimano, Campag and SRAM too). This is the weakness of electronic groupsets. They won't survive over time. On the contrary, if you had 20year old Shimano Dura ace and took care of it it still works well. Cables are universal. It is in general the case now that bikes aren't as "durable" as they used to be. The industry benefits more from selling shit that will go obsolete and your bike will end on the landfill. Prime example are proprietary components. Noting less sustainable than that.
That's a great point, we'll have to keep our fingers crossed that they support this long term. I believe even Stages Cycling even went out of business which is a Western brand for power meters.
@@henrychungfitness yes stages went out of business a few weeks ago. I actually own one. The good thing with stages is that you don't really need the app for anything except firmware updates, and they won't roll anything anymore. Therefore, it's safe for people owning stages. However, any tech that needs configuration via a mobile app is going to have the same fate.
I wish we could get an open source community started to build something that can be universal and installed similar to VIA or QMK for keyboards.
I really like to use electronic groupset.
But my tiagra 2005 stil working perfectly every weekend.
9s, but works fine.
Looks like a pain to use an app to regulated
Using the app is quite easy actually, with more fine tuning adjustment at each cassette, whereas mechanical you can’t adjust to that precision. However mechanical is still perfectly fine and if it works then no pint in changing it 👍
Is easy today to use app. But after 5 years, the app, the cell phone, the Bluetooth or anything like this wont be available or suitable anymore as every other tech things
Nice video! Thank you!
@@ThiagoMarquardt Yes you definitely make a good point. Fingers crossed it last longer though🤞
한국시간으로 5월31일 저녁에 펌웨어 업그레이드가 업데이트 되었고 이제 사이클링컴퓨터에 배터리와 기어등의 상태표시가 연동됩니다. 저는 림브레이크 버젼을 주문했고 설치까지만 마무리 했지만 매우 만족스럽습니다.^^
저도 펌웨어 업그레이드 업데이트 했어요! Magene C606 이랑 확인 해야됩니다. 봐주셔서 감사합니다 😀
Price
Any bike computer supports Wheeltop EDS TX ?
So far the Magene C606 works with it that I’ve tested (battery levels not quite showing properly though)
@@henrychungfitness Ant + or BT ?
@@LawChiWaiWilliam Wheeltop added Ant+ recently in their latest firmware update
Is it possible on gravel ?
Potentially, but they’re coming out with a gravel groupset soon so it might be worth waiting. I ride light gravel with it now 😂
@@henrychungfitness thank you very much !
The shown gravel groupset is only 1x but will likely have a clutch to prevent chain slap.
It doesn't matter if it's Shimano, SRAM, or a Chinese group, these electronic groups can fail at any moment just like any other electronic device. With mechanical you don't have that worry. I don't think they will last decades like mechanical can that's for sure. I am on my 3rd year with my DA Di2 group but so far this year I have only logged 600 miles. Haven't been able to ride much because I won't ride in the rain. It will take years before we can know if these Chinese groups are worth buying because none of those brands have been out very long. But for the money I would be willing to gamble.
I usually don't ride too far from home, Mechanical can fail too from wire damage etc. I'd much rather have comfortable ,predictable shifting but not sure if this groupset is actually better than mechanical 105 so not changing yet.
Great point and I'd also agree wtih you that electronic can fail at any moment. Atleast with mechanical you can swap a cable, but with electronic you're definitely taking more of a gamble. I didn't realize how difficult it would be to maintain this frame with integrated handlebar using 4 cables, so I jumped onto electronic to make things easier. For the price I paid, I'm hoping it was worth it!
Why would you buy expensive electronic groupset if you don't even ride much?
I've ridden Di2 since release about 13years ago....I've never had a part fail. Set and forget. Mechanical is high maintenance,tweaking of cable adjusters for cable stretch is regularly needed.
@@timdixoThat's the whole point of cycling....if you can't maintain your bike's shifting.....there's something wrong! I'm on ultegra .....with cables
At roughly $700 for this 4 piece set it offers zero savings compared to SRAM Rival.
I just assembled a full rival kit piecemeal for about $1000 that included casette, chain, crankset, and BB. Plus, Rival has replaceable batteries.
The ONLY advantage price wise would be its flexibility to work with existing Shimano parts you have.
Otherwise, this set is a fool's bargain.
Link to where you got the SRAM Rival? And are your prices in CAD or USD? I paid $650 CAD / $475 USD and I think it's still a good deal 😆
We live in interesting times with these electronic sets. It's anybody's guess how it's going to play out in say 5+ years time. These chinese players have been increasing their prices on frames and wheels.
Hopefully the prices don’t come anywhere near the mainstream brands 🤞
This Xoss light is a big 💩 Battery is bad, there's no 'light' level brightness (like 10% of power), it charge ages and can not be use same time when charging, it rattle as crazy. In one word - 💩. Geoid 5$ more and much better without any problems of Xoss
The battery level definitely sucks on the Xoss light. I’ll have to take a look at the Geoid light - thanks for the recommendation!
@@henrychungfitness are you happy with EDS? I ordered week ago, still waiting for delivery on EU region
@@pawelodz8050 Yes I'm happy with it so far!