Same question, reach adjustment? I have this group and I see what I think is reach adjustment on the upper inside of the levers but I haven’t played with turning the screws yet. And I can’t find any information in the manual regarding reach adjustment.
every top bike in stock eh? is that who the LOOK build was for?! are there any guitar shops nearby? he probably has an extensive collection of PRS ten-tops and fender custom shops.
I have this group set, last week or so. They did an update on the app. And added amt+ technology. So a Garmin now connects with gearing and battery life with the rear derailleur. That's a big plus. But yes, the way that you adjust the shifting and the gears. It's very non-intuitive. It does work but you really have to spend some time to figure it out. The update was definitely welcome though for the Garmin. Lastly, I figured out if you leave it in casual mode, the derailleurs fully go to sleep. If you leave it in race mode, the derailleurs does not fully go to sleep and you'll lose battery life slowly. And then at 20%, it automatically goes to casual mode. That's all in the update
yea I keep it in casual mode just becaue I want longer battery life and the lack of shifting i do, but yes they do need to adjust the shifting setup in the app, just make it so it adjusts in real time
I bought two of these. I believe for western customers, this groupset is better used for their secondary bikes due to the warranty. In China though, wheeltop's warranty policy is superb, I broke my front Derailleur cage due to my own fault, but they replaced mine with new cage free of charge. This groupset has come a long way after May's firmware update, know we have ant+ function so gearing can be seen on bike computers. The auto trimming seems to be a lot quiter on the front derailleur when riding in large chainring than it used to be. Also, the newer version of manual makes it much easier to setup this group (I hope newer manual will be avalible in English). At this moment, my main complains are the stiff shifter hood, which makes the brake bleeding a real pain. Also, waterproofing on both shifters and derailleurs, as there are report of water intrusion on all these parts after heavy rain riding. But in my overall experience with the group is pretty positive. If wheeltop solves all the issue I mentioned above, the EDS TX will be a very competitive groupset on the market. To those who keeps complaining about the pricing of this kit, please remember a 105 di2 groupset can be had at this price because of questionable sources these 105 di2 come from. If you can buy a set of 105 di2 in retail packaging at this price, then ignore my words. Also, an random seller on Xianyu is selling what he claims to be a set of counterfeit 105 di2 , I hope thats a scam, but it is worring.
yea the hoods are so tight, the quality is great but it is like you said very difficult to move, even for wrapping handlebars, and like you said people are seeing 105 di2 for cheap, but keep in mind, buying from a retail store in united states or online it is still like 1700-2000 for a complete group, all the other prices are from eu and uk and china..... the shifting has always been great for what the price is and the overall expereince of the group is nice and i have no need to remove it from a bike I use a good amount
I opted for the LTwoo ER9 groupset. It has it's quirks and issues, but the app at least lets you adjust in real time and batteries are replaceable. Also at this point, if the ER9/X does have issues, it's most likely related to the RD. Replacement parts are currently available for purchase.
fair enough I do these videos to show options, if you can find 105 for this cheap then it is a great group but over here in america, for my store to order a complete shimano group right now they are still like 1700-2000 in store with no price matching
Why must you try to shit on this man’s content. Nobody is telling you to take it over 105 di2. Maybe there’s people who want electronic but cant afford the 2k to get 105 di2
If you have questions that I did not touch on please let me know. I rotate this bike into the fleet and try to ride once a week if not once every other week. Never had an issue of dropped connection or faulty shifting. Just the main issue is software and a little faster front mech shifting would be preferred
Was the shift demo you did in this video in “casual mode” or “race mode”? Race mode is supposedly quite a bit faster but I haven’t tested yet as I just finished my build yesterday.
I have good experiences also with it. Only gripes are pulling back the hoods for bleeding and the fact that gears show up reversed in the ant+ display. One ride there was a moment where for about 5 seconds I couldn’t shift at the rear… I was like f…. But then it came back. The battery door on my right shifter was not properly done from the factory (a bit of o-ring was sticking out). Not sure if it was that or just some interference. Other than that always worked fine !!!
Odd question here: does the app have a triple option for the front? I run a triple on my tandem in touring mode (otherwise, it's configured with a DA double) and this would rock for that application with how long the cables are on that rig.
Got mine on AliExpress. Under $600 for rim brake version. Installed on my Titanium tandem with S&S couplers. The fact that it is wireless made the upgrade easy. I thought about Shimano R8000 Ultegra, but that would have been about $1200. And running wires through the frame, past the front bottom bracket eccentric chain tension adjustment would have been very difficult. Only problem I had is on the tandem, the rear derailleur is much further away and sometimes, it doesn't get the signal to shift, and I have push shift button again. But very happy with it so far! And you are are right, the app not great, took me quite awhile to figure out.
That’s a two stage button. Half press has a programmable function. A full press will activate it. It’s not a distance issue. My hoods connected and shifted 20’ away when I first paired them.
I love mine, has been going well so far. I paired it to Magura calipers and it brakes amazingly well !!! (Original calipers were ok, pads are the same as Shimano road) but magura is way better. Configuration takes a while, but I got used to it, you also only need to do it once, so… I like that I can upgrade the cassette to 12 or 13 spds and not need new shifters and brakes …
Great value and from where it is, it's a group set that can only get better. I'd be willing to get this and install. I think 90% of riders would use it
I am considering this product for sure the manufacturer will take on board the quality issues concerning the operation of the app and upgrade the software to make the interface more user intuitive
I love my Wheeltop EDS TX! I got it on Ali for a great deal and replaced my Shimano 105 mech with this setup mostly because I couldn’t keep up with 4 cables in my integrated handlebar. 5 thumbs up so far and even through rain. Time will tell though 👌
@@telkmx the 105 di2 here in the Philippines is around 44000 to 46000 PHP upkit only / 60000 for whole groupset vs EDS 34000 PHP, considering that the eds was released just last month, that price will probably go down to 27000 to 30000, for the half price of it some might wanna try the eds first.
If compare speed of changing gears on stand or under load with shimano do it on shimano chain. Kmc chain are allways louder and slower on shimano crank and cassette than shimano chain.
@@GCPerformance18 Really? Ordering 105 DI2 from competitive cyclist right now is $941 inc crank and cassette. I don't really see the value of these beta quality products given the broader state of the bike industry. Maybe if we compare Retail vs Retail MSRP.
I was upgrading my cyclocross bike (also used as a gravel bike and winter road bike) to 12speed electronic groupset from 11speed mechanical Ultegra/105 less than a month ago and this groupset was among the top considerations of what to go for. In the end I went for SRAMano - Apex AXS shifters, Rival AXS front mech, second hand Rival AXS rear mech, Magene PES P505 Base powermeter cranks with Shimano Ultegra chainrings (currently in 46/34 configuration, as I need to buy an adaptor to move the mech up to clear 50t big ring), 105 cassette, XT chain, XT rotors and Sram Level TLM brake calipers I had laying around with Shimano adaptors to fit flat mount fork - that cost me pretty much the same price, but also included a 105 cassette. If there was even cheaper variant of this groupset without the calipers with option to fit existing Shimano ones, I would most likely go with this one, but that's no longer available. Hearing your thoughts about the EDS TX, I'm glad I decided to go with what I did (I'm just not the biggest fan of tlSram's shifting logic, but that's not a huge deal and will likely change once I'll convert to 1x with GRX 820 chainring for cyclocross races).
I like that you can adjust everything individually. If it would adjust in “real time” without having to shift up and down it wouldn’t be worse, but I got used to it.
What about service? Bleeding, spare parts, sending to service center or having a service manual, support for consumers. You know, everything we use to have provided by local Shimano/Sram dealer.
Very nice review j- thanks. Some Riders in the TDR are seeing Electronic group set failure in the cool BC/Montana weather. A trait of any lithium battery. An interesting test would be to see how far the charge on the battery drops if you cool the batteries. Try placing the bike in a meat locker in a neighboring store for a few hours, then re check battery life ?
I mean we have alot of heat over here, and also salt humidity, but I do not experience cold weather at all, but I can try to find a meat locker somewhere and put my bike in there lol
have had my sram red axs since its release and have mounted it on 2 bikes now. Still the same batteries. Same with my older Ultegra 6800 Di2, since 2016 and still have alot of juice on its original batteries…It’s the best investment i did on a bike ever. I got what i paid for. I think you will get what you pay for with this set too😁
If they get better reliability than you think, you may have to reassess your thoughts. How are you gonna feel if in actuality you're the one (of many) who have actually over paid for a product (albeit a quality one)?
@@kennycube5126 if i think? 😂i’ve been using my Red since 2019, so ‘i think’ i did not think about it LOL. Don’t impose on people what ‘you think’ about it, it’s your own experience you suck it out😂
@@kennycube5126 nah, it’s still on topic, you talk about reliability of this stuff, i talk about reliability of my sram red. Overpaid you mean? tell the manufacturers of these stuff to mount them on a Monument race like Paris-Roubaix, if no hitches i yield to whatever you want to raise. No contest. Period🤣
About 2 week ago, I emailed the folks at wheeltop and they stated that they are almost ready to start shipping to the USA. It was close enough that they asked me if I was interested in being one of the first ones to purchase an upgrade kit. I declined because I had already ordered a set from AE. But it seems they’re making strides to ship to USA as soon as possible.
@@TrươngQuangKha yes it’s great. We have really steep grades here and the extra range and gears are perfect. Shifting more often is not an issue because it’s a button. @THEEPookiebutt did a riding review on his channel if you want to see how it works.
As much as I'd love to have that bike, I ride rural routes and my tcr is covered in cow and horse 💩 🤣 you guys must have super clean roads cause that white looks mint
That’s a wicked looking bike! I’m looking for a groupset to put on a Panorama Cycles Taiga EXP 2 dropbar steel tour/gravel frame set and was thinking about the LTWOO GRT 12 but will look further into this one. The LTWOO one is relatively inexpensive and well reviewed in general but it’s mech. You seem to think the Wheeltop one good value. It’s funny I have been Shimano all the way but because of the prices I’m only looking at the Chinese groupsets now. Do you think it works for a gravel bike? Can’t see why not but maybe there’s something I haven’t considered.
for gravel I do not know how iot will do with the derailer clutch, I would recommended a gravel group and I think they are working on one soon for this purpose, I do not recomened road groups for gravel
Does the rear automatically default to Shimano spacing for however many speeds you have? And if it does, will it also be able to accommodate Campy spacing? 11sp is pretty much the same between the two but 10sp is not. And will it store wheel profiles if I want to mix things up? Say a Campy 10 and a Shimano 11? I ask because my trainer is Shimano only but my bike is Chorus 10. I built a Campy spaced cassette out of an Ultegra one and it works but it would be nice if it no longer mattered. As for price, you can maybe get the same parts in 105 or Rival for less, IDK, but that means you are locked in. I'd have to replace everything on my bike for that to work and this will be much cheaper. And besides, I don't have disc brakes.
@@GCPerformance18 Campy 10sp spacing is .2mm more than Shimano, that adds up to 1.8mm over the width of the cassette with 9 spacers. It is enough to throw it off no matter where you start. I tried using a Shimano 10sp cassette with my Chorus and some gears just wouldn't work. I assume the micro adjustment screen would solve it even if a bit wonky to use.
Wasn't there an option for race shift but it meant battery life would drop much faster? I've got the mtb version of this which doesn't seem to offer race shift. Might have been deleted in a SW/FW update?
I have lived for 6 years in China before 20 years in the USA, I own a wheeltop eds tx with a 13 speed cassette, everything works very well and I am very satisfied .In China, the 13 speed 11-34 cassette is already produced and there is an announcement that in 3 months the xdr 14 speed 10-36 cassette will be released ,chains for 13 speed have been produced for a year,the same chain will be able to be used for 14 speed ,what is happening now in China in the bicycle industry is frame 650 gram with a fork 870-890 gram , formed two companies ltwoo and wheeltop that produce groups of high quality fixtures and applicable from 7 to 14 speed no need to buy a new flu when the cartridge manufacturer will release a cartridge for 13 or 14 speed. greetings from Shenyang China.
that is crazy news and information but i am here for it, and thank you for this, hello all the way from florida, one day I hope to make it over there for a bike show
@@GCPerformance18 there is another app called Pro Garage that can then take the Strava feed and let you know when all your items are due for service for each bike. Unfortunately it's based on MTB but it still works a treat for most items like chains etc.
Got 2 Ltwoos & work great,rest of my bikes are rim, can the batteries be replaced on the Wheeltop ,in other words are there removeable screws or are thet riveted on ??
Would the shift quality not be primarily influenced by the chainrings, shain and cassette? So a legacy DA, Ultegra or 105 10sp mechanical base should still shift fine. A gross oversimplification would be a rear der is just a chain jockey wheel that guides a chain and a front der just shoves the chain back and forth. So really its mostly all in the control system designed around it all. Synchro shift, auto trim, firmware support, etc. I just have a feeling e-tube's going to be supported for many years. What you showed? Who knows. Non replaceable battery and sketchy app makes it a no-go for its price point
yes you can, you can buy a braze on adapter, that fits your frame and then you can mount the front derailer to it, you just have to know the clamp size
I dont know if I agree, you can't really include chain and cassette because it's adjustable for speeds. And rotors are interchangeable but more of a frame fit (my road fork takes 180 rotors for example) Cranks are a personal fit, so shouldn't be included as everyone swaps out for different length.
I've been using the older MTB version that they said not to do a review on due to patent infringement with SRAM. It is a great system and works wonderful. Not as fast as Sram or Shimano but gets the job done. I really dislike the app as well and that is the major downside. Last year the app was worse than it is now if you can believe that! So at least they have improved it which means there could be improvements in the future.
The value is there as an upgrade kit. Let’s say you have a 10 speed mechanic disc or rim brake. You get this kit and boom you have a electronic group bike now
i love eds tx. already test it in down pour rain it flawless. but i hope they will fix the brake caliper in term of cosmetic. hope they can make it slimer and remove the golf texture. hate it. make dirt trap on it.
you can proclaim a product is amazing or great if you put a disclaimer on its other parts in this case the the FD and its shifting under load or during climbs😅
you would have to contact the manufacturer for issues, but alot of times if you have issues with sram or shimano that you can not fix because of hardware you have to do the same thing anyways
Too pricey. £670 for 105 Di2, which includes shifters, FD, RD, brake calipers, crankset, cassette, chain, and battery. EDS TX £487 only includes shifters, FD, RD, brake calipers, and integrated batteries (no crankset, chain, or cassette). Mad....
This groupset shines when bought as part of a bike. 2 werks ago, i received a full carbon (including 50mm rims and integrated handlebar) bike with the wheeltop groupset. Fully internally routed with wheeltop hydraulic diskbrakes. All in all, with shipping (to Europe), i paid 1100 USD. You read that right. 1100 USD. Ive now ridden around 750km on it to test, and aside from my setup errors (which were all fixed), its been flawless!
I’m not sure how $1100 is a bad buy for a bike with fully wireless and 50mm carbon wheels, considering bikes online. Is offering a Polygon S7X with 105 Di2 for $2200. Seems like saving 50% is a good deal to me (on face value).
That's awesome! Are you based in China? What did you buy? A frame costs around 500 USD, wheels the same, so at this price, you're probably not getting great quality, but you're getting great value for sure!
the APP f!!!!!!!!!!!nightmare if you are not a Geek{like me} For what it is i am very happy gear changes are fast enough for me and I suspect the majority of riders out there in cycling paradise
its a cheap entry point into electronic shifting where any other company is going to be more expensive, so I mean expect it to be electronic yes but not perfect
What is price difference between this and same components for Shimano or SRAM (i.e. without crank arm, rear cassette)? Seems like this is for people who have mechanical looking to go electronic. I think that needs to be emphasized.
Can‘t believe you do not put different bikes in your Strava Garage so you are able to filter the rides for videos like this. You do not need multiple Strava Accounts, one is enough
On Aliexpress, this partial incomplete “ groupset” is $560 and on Merlincycles, the Shimano 105 Di2 actual real full groupset is $996. So, in terms of cache, support, warranty, and resale value there is NO logical reason to buy this. None.
Good point. Seems like this is for people w mechanical looking to go electronic. I think that needs to be explained in these review videos. Also, what is the apples-to-apples price difference between this and shimano or SRAM’s entry-level electric systems?
@@millermiller75 as best as I could determine, the price differential wasn’t compelling enough to justify the risk (for me). I’m having a wheelset built right now with Chris King hubs, Sapim CX Ray spokes, and Light Bicycle (Chinese) rims. The Light Rims came highly recommended by my wheel builder and they’ve been building carbon rims for several years and have a good online reputation. I don’t mind inexpensive Chinese goods if I feel I can be happy with it and the risk is acceptable
@@ADVRaiderKTM and you get the complete groupset and the Shimano brand. If a derailleur motor fails during the season, I can get to Shimano directly and a LBS and get a new one. Getting warranty and parts from China to the US is really difficult and can take quite a bit time if you can manage to get the warranty honored
Not even close to worth the price when you can build a full Rival AXS - with cranks, casette, chain for basically the same price piecemeal over ebay. I've spent just over $1k to go full Rival and that included wheels on 370 DT hubs, and new rotors, plus all the above mentioned stuff. The batteries are not removable, so you've gotta plug the whole bike in, at two points, FD and RD. Then obviously, if a battery dies, the whole derailleur needs replacing, which apparently cannot be purchased individually. This set gets a thumbs down for all those reasons. HOWEVER, if you're wanting electronic without having to replace the other parts (say, keeping your sunrace or whatever casette, cheap cranks and existing 2x10 or w/e stuff), then this is an option - but then you're setting a new ceiling.
And I bought all that within the past 2 months, plus it's SRAM. I can't see a scenario where the wheeltop could be even comparable, let alone a "better deal".
I just don't see how it's attractive to spend $750 on this, when you can spend just a tiny bit more and get so much more from a better brand. If this only cost $500, I could see the logic, but it's not in a "sweet spot" price point. If you can afford $750, you can afford $900. So it begs the question, "who is this for?"
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Please if you have any questions that I didn’t touch on. Feel free to ask. This bike I rotate in between the sl8 and its working great
Does it support brake lever reach adjustment? Thanks!
Same question, reach adjustment? I have this group and I see what I think is reach adjustment on the upper inside of the levers but I haven’t played with turning the screws yet. And I can’t find any information in the manual regarding reach adjustment.
battery life / battery changing?
There is reach adjustment.
Mine were shipped set to the shortest reach adjustment.
Can your Garmin reads gears and battery levels on them?
The dentist beside your shop must be your number 1 customer
such a moronic comment lmao
Hahahhaa I knew someone would say that
it's called an oral contract
He has a sweet tooth for bikes. (Sorry)
every top bike in stock eh? is that who the LOOK build was for?! are there any guitar shops nearby? he probably has an extensive collection of PRS ten-tops and fender custom shops.
I ordered one from Aliexpress and they are shipping to the US. The availability of a rim brake version sealed the deal for me.
- How do you know someone rides a rim brake bike without having seen the bike?
- Don't worry, they'll tell you about it first. :D
Wow nice
Waiting for rim brake version review…
@@GeorgeD1 Feel better about yourself now?
@@whynotride327 Yes, because I actually understand light-hearted humour. ;)
I have this group set, last week or so. They did an update on the app. And added amt+ technology. So a Garmin now connects with gearing and battery life with the rear derailleur. That's a big plus. But yes, the way that you adjust the shifting and the gears. It's very non-intuitive. It does work but you really have to spend some time to figure it out. The update was definitely welcome though for the Garmin. Lastly, I figured out if you leave it in casual mode, the derailleurs fully go to sleep. If you leave it in race mode, the derailleurs does not fully go to sleep and you'll lose battery life slowly. And then at 20%, it automatically goes to casual mode. That's all in the update
yea I keep it in casual mode just becaue I want longer battery life and the lack of shifting i do, but yes they do need to adjust the shifting setup in the app, just make it so it adjusts in real time
Cheap things are cheap.
I'm just glad stuff like these are out there, goes to show that it is doable for that price range.
yes it is nice and puts some pressure on the big name companies for cheaper groups
I bought two of these. I believe for western customers, this groupset is better used for their secondary bikes due to the warranty. In China though, wheeltop's warranty policy is superb, I broke my front Derailleur cage due to my own fault, but they replaced mine with new cage free of charge.
This groupset has come a long way after May's firmware update, know we have ant+ function so gearing can be seen on bike computers. The auto trimming seems to be a lot quiter on the front derailleur when riding in large chainring than it used to be. Also, the newer version of manual makes it much easier to setup this group (I hope newer manual will be avalible in English).
At this moment, my main complains are the stiff shifter hood, which makes the brake bleeding a real pain. Also, waterproofing on both shifters and derailleurs, as there are report of water intrusion on all these parts after heavy rain riding. But in my overall experience with the group is pretty positive. If wheeltop solves all the issue I mentioned above, the EDS TX will be a very competitive groupset on the market.
To those who keeps complaining about the pricing of this kit, please remember a 105 di2 groupset can be had at this price because of questionable sources these 105 di2 come from. If you can buy a set of 105 di2 in retail packaging at this price, then ignore my words. Also, an random seller on Xianyu is selling what he claims to be a set of counterfeit 105 di2 , I hope thats a scam, but it is worring.
yea the hoods are so tight, the quality is great but it is like you said very difficult to move, even for wrapping handlebars, and like you said people are seeing 105 di2 for cheap, but keep in mind, buying from a retail store in united states or online it is still like 1700-2000 for a complete group, all the other prices are from eu and uk and china..... the shifting has always been great for what the price is and the overall expereince of the group is nice and i have no need to remove it from a bike I use a good amount
Counterfeit Di2? I would certainly wanna see them and know more about it.
Grant is the kind of guy who measures his hand with his other hand.
‘Oh, look. It’s one hand big.’
;) Love your videos dude.
Of course!!! Hands are big
Rims brake owner will be happy 🎉
I opted for the LTwoo ER9 groupset. It has it's quirks and issues, but the app at least lets you adjust in real time and batteries are replaceable. Also at this point, if the ER9/X does have issues, it's most likely related to the RD. Replacement parts are currently available for purchase.
I appreciate the video and honesty, everyone must decide if worth buying, there is not a chance i would take this over 105 DI2 ,
fair enough I do these videos to show options, if you can find 105 for this cheap then it is a great group but over here in america, for my store to order a complete shimano group right now they are still like 1700-2000 in store with no price matching
This thing supports up to 14sp, one-by and rim brakes. More future proof and less expensive. But to each their own.
Why must you try to shit on this man’s content. Nobody is telling you to take it over 105 di2. Maybe there’s people who want electronic but cant afford the 2k to get 105 di2
If you have questions that I did not touch on please let me know. I rotate this bike into the fleet and try to ride once a week if not once every other week. Never had an issue of dropped connection or faulty shifting. Just the main issue is software and a little faster front mech shifting would be preferred
Was the shift demo you did in this video in “casual mode” or “race mode”? Race mode is supposedly quite a bit faster but I haven’t tested yet as I just finished my build yesterday.
I have good experiences also with it.
Only gripes are pulling back the hoods for bleeding and the fact that gears show up reversed in the ant+ display.
One ride there was a moment where for about 5 seconds I couldn’t shift at the rear… I was like f…. But then it came back.
The battery door on my right shifter was not properly done from the factory (a bit of o-ring was sticking out). Not sure if it was that or just some interference.
Other than that always worked fine !!!
Is it compatible with Campagnolo cassettes, chains, and cranks? If so, this would be great to add to a rim brake bike!!!
Odd question here: does the app have a triple option for the front? I run a triple on my tandem in touring mode (otherwise, it's configured with a DA double) and this would rock for that application with how long the cables are on that rig.
@@landonerickson8017 Nop. And I don’t see it working properly as it only has one button for the front.
Got mine on AliExpress. Under $600 for rim brake version. Installed on my Titanium tandem with S&S couplers. The fact that it is wireless made the upgrade easy. I thought about Shimano R8000 Ultegra, but that would have been about $1200. And running wires through the frame, past the front bottom bracket eccentric chain tension adjustment would have been very difficult. Only problem I had is on the tandem, the rear derailleur is much further away and sometimes, it doesn't get the signal to shift, and I have push shift button again. But very happy with it so far! And you are are right, the app not great, took me quite awhile to figure out.
That’s a two stage button. Half press has a programmable function. A full press will activate it. It’s not a distance issue. My hoods connected and shifted 20’ away when I first paired them.
I love mine, has been going well so far.
I paired it to Magura calipers and it brakes amazingly well !!!
(Original calipers were ok, pads are the same as Shimano road) but magura is way better.
Configuration takes a while, but I got used to it, you also only need to do it once, so…
I like that I can upgrade the cassette to 12 or 13 spds and not need new shifters and brakes …
Great value and from where it is, it's a group set that can only get better. I'd be willing to get this and install. I think 90% of riders would use it
I am considering this product for sure the manufacturer will take on board the quality issues concerning the operation of the app and upgrade the software to make the interface more user intuitive
I love my Wheeltop EDS TX! I got it on Ali for a great deal and replaced my Shimano 105 mech with this setup mostly because I couldn’t keep up with 4 cables in my integrated handlebar. 5 thumbs up so far and even through rain. Time will tell though 👌
it’s not that much cheaper than 105 di2 which can be found around 900 smtms so it’s kinda weird to justify for reliability
@@telkmx the 105 di2 here in the Philippines is around 44000 to 46000 PHP upkit only / 60000 for whole groupset vs EDS 34000 PHP, considering that the eds was released just last month, that price will probably go down to 27000 to 30000, for the half price of it some might wanna try the eds first.
@@telkmx Yeh ,BUT, shimano cant be adjusted to different speeds
@@collinsph5113 Except the groupset isnt full for the EDS but yeah
@@telkmxthe eds is 34000php (577 USD) vs 46000 105 di2 (781 USD) (sti, battery, Rd ,Fd and brakes) same with eds. 1020 USD for full groupset.
If compare speed of changing gears on stand or under load with shimano do it on shimano chain. Kmc chain are allways louder and slower on shimano crank and cassette than shimano chain.
Given the price 105 Di2 is available for, it isn't cheap enough to bother with once you factor in spares availability etc....
new chainset plus bb plus cast iron reliability plus you can swap out the batteries.
we dont see those 105 prices here,m if I was to order this from my store 105 di2 group is stil like 1700-2000 usd for my shop store
@@GCPerformance18Fair enough. In the UK could go to Merlin cycles and get a full 105 Di2 group for £899.
No 105 rim brake option, this is a hell of a lot cheaper than what SRAM / Shimano will sell in rim brake guise.
@@GCPerformance18 Really? Ordering 105 DI2 from competitive cyclist right now is $941 inc crank and cassette. I don't really see the value of these beta quality products given the broader state of the bike industry. Maybe if we compare Retail vs Retail MSRP.
I was upgrading my cyclocross bike (also used as a gravel bike and winter road bike) to 12speed electronic groupset from 11speed mechanical Ultegra/105 less than a month ago and this groupset was among the top considerations of what to go for. In the end I went for SRAMano - Apex AXS shifters, Rival AXS front mech, second hand Rival AXS rear mech, Magene PES P505 Base powermeter cranks with Shimano Ultegra chainrings (currently in 46/34 configuration, as I need to buy an adaptor to move the mech up to clear 50t big ring), 105 cassette, XT chain, XT rotors and Sram Level TLM brake calipers I had laying around with Shimano adaptors to fit flat mount fork - that cost me pretty much the same price, but also included a 105 cassette. If there was even cheaper variant of this groupset without the calipers with option to fit existing Shimano ones, I would most likely go with this one, but that's no longer available. Hearing your thoughts about the EDS TX, I'm glad I decided to go with what I did (I'm just not the biggest fan of tlSram's shifting logic, but that's not a huge deal and will likely change once I'll convert to 1x with GRX 820 chainring for cyclocross races).
So I just saw the new Pinnarello with hidden thru-axle on drive side and just realized that Windspace has already done it 😅
hahaha yep, also bmc has been doing this for years
@@GCPerformance18 Didn't know that. That's cool!
I like the micro adjust through the app. I think it's great!
really?
Hello, unfortunately I don't have permission to adjust the front derailleur in the app, do you?
@@iphone4toto445 not since the update …
I like that you can adjust everything individually.
If it would adjust in “real time” without having to shift up and down it wouldn’t be worse, but I got used to it.
What about service? Bleeding, spare parts, sending to service center or having a service manual, support for consumers. You know, everything we use to have provided by local Shimano/Sram dealer.
Very nice review j- thanks. Some Riders in the TDR are seeing Electronic group set failure in the cool BC/Montana weather. A trait of any lithium battery. An interesting test would be to see how far the charge on the battery drops if you cool the batteries. Try placing the bike in a meat locker in a neighboring store for a few hours, then re check battery life ?
Or just freeze the batteries?
I mean we have alot of heat over here, and also salt humidity, but I do not experience cold weather at all, but I can try to find a meat locker somewhere and put my bike in there lol
You can setup individual bikes in strava btw.
I have to take a look
have had my sram red axs since its release and have mounted it on 2 bikes now. Still the same batteries. Same with my older Ultegra 6800 Di2, since 2016 and still have alot of juice on its original batteries…It’s the best investment i did on a bike ever. I got what i paid for. I think you will get what you pay for with this set too😁
If they get better reliability than you think, you may have to reassess your thoughts. How are you gonna feel if in actuality you're the one (of many) who have actually over paid for a product (albeit a quality one)?
@@kennycube5126 if i think? 😂i’ve been using my Red since 2019, so ‘i think’ i did not think about it LOL. Don’t impose on people what ‘you think’ about it, it’s your own experience you suck it out😂
@@densyoh Lol. You prob need to start thinking as your post has nothing to do with what I said😆
@@kennycube5126 nah, it’s still on topic, you talk about reliability of this stuff, i talk about reliability of my sram red. Overpaid you mean? tell the manufacturers of these stuff to mount them on a Monument race like Paris-Roubaix, if no hitches i yield to whatever you want to raise. No contest. Period🤣
We all wish we had a bigger knob to hold onto 😂
About 2 week ago, I emailed the folks at wheeltop and they stated that they are almost ready to start shipping to the USA. It was close enough that they asked me if I was interested in being one of the first ones to purchase an upgrade kit. I declined because I had already ordered a set from AE. But it seems they’re making strides to ship to USA as soon as possible.
Wow that’s crazy to hear. Sounds like they are working towards something
Great review, thank you. Will this be compatible with bike computers, in my case Bryton?
Yup, it works with the latest update
It’s worth pointing out you can buy a 13s rotor cassette and run a 2x13s. That’s what I did. Wonderful to have 13 gears in the rear.
is it any good ?
I mean the shift quality. I just need something that similar to 105 but cheaper.
@@TrươngQuangKha yes it’s great. We have really steep grades here and the extra range and gears are perfect. Shifting more often is not an issue because it’s a button. @THEEPookiebutt did a riding review on his channel if you want to see how it works.
**************Long awaited review************* :)
hell yeaaaa
Theyre selling on amazon cheaper than aliexpress! Shipping to US
Holy cow
As much as I'd love to have that bike, I ride rural routes and my tcr is covered in cow and horse 💩 🤣 you guys must have super clean roads cause that white looks mint
Oh it’s all flat smooth newly paved roads over here. We are very lucky.
That’s a wicked looking bike! I’m looking for a groupset to put on a Panorama Cycles Taiga EXP 2 dropbar steel tour/gravel frame set and was thinking about the LTWOO GRT 12 but will look further into this one. The LTWOO one is relatively inexpensive and well reviewed in general but it’s mech. You seem to think the Wheeltop one good value. It’s funny I have been Shimano all the way but because of the prices I’m only looking at the Chinese groupsets now. Do you think it works for a gravel bike? Can’t see why not but maybe there’s something I haven’t considered.
for gravel I do not know how iot will do with the derailer clutch, I would recommended a gravel group and I think they are working on one soon for this purpose, I do not recomened road groups for gravel
Does the rear automatically default to Shimano spacing for however many speeds you have? And if it does, will it also be able to accommodate Campy spacing? 11sp is pretty much the same between the two but 10sp is not. And will it store wheel profiles if I want to mix things up? Say a Campy 10 and a Shimano 11? I ask because my trainer is Shimano only but my bike is Chorus 10. I built a Campy spaced cassette out of an Ultegra one and it works but it would be nice if it no longer mattered.
As for price, you can maybe get the same parts in 105 or Rival for less, IDK, but that means you are locked in. I'd have to replace everything on my bike for that to work and this will be much cheaper. And besides, I don't have disc brakes.
Yes it should default to SHIMANO spacing. The cassette spacing is usually the same what the difference was back in the day was cable pull for shifters
@@GCPerformance18 Campy 10sp spacing is .2mm more than Shimano, that adds up to 1.8mm over the width of the cassette with 9 spacers. It is enough to throw it off no matter where you start. I tried using a Shimano 10sp cassette with my Chorus and some gears just wouldn't work. I assume the micro adjustment screen would solve it even if a bit wonky to use.
nice review. Does it have front derailleur AUTO TRIM?
2nd Q - do the levers have a reach adjustment for smaller hands?
thanks
yes it does have auto trim that is the reason for it not being sold in the united states, and yes levers have reach adjustment
This type of products is bringing back some openness (cross-compatibility and reuse) to the bike industry. But some consumers prefer being locked in.
yea it makes the field more open for playing and puts pressure on the big guys
The wheel top in comparison to the Ltwo one wich would u prefer??
I had a really unfair experience with Ltwoo at first. Apparently it is much better. So far wheeltop has not let me down so im going wheeltop right now
The best option with this will be to buy the new 13 speed sram cassette that’s coming out and going 1x.
I think its too expensive. Why would I get this when I can get shimano 105 Di2 12 speed for the same price in aliexpress?
Curious, are there such things as Di2 knockoffs?
@@ADVRaiderKTM No
@@ADVRaiderKTM Well, someone on xianyu is selling what he claims to be counterfeit 105 di2 and he sold out. I hope it is a scam but still worring.
we cant egt those over here, and in store 105 di2 is like 1700-2000 here os the group does not perform well
Future proof? can go 13speed.
Wasn't there an option for race shift but it meant battery life would drop much faster? I've got the mtb version of this which doesn't seem to offer race shift. Might have been deleted in a SW/FW update?
yes there is a race version but it drains battery mmuch more
I have lived for 6 years in China before 20 years in the USA, I own a wheeltop eds tx with a 13 speed cassette, everything works very well and I am very satisfied .In China, the 13 speed 11-34 cassette is already produced and there is an announcement that in 3 months the xdr 14 speed 10-36 cassette will be released ,chains for 13 speed have been produced for a year,the same chain will be able to be used for 14 speed ,what is happening now in China in the bicycle industry is frame 650 gram with a fork 870-890 gram , formed two companies ltwoo and wheeltop that produce groups of high quality fixtures and applicable from 7 to 14 speed no need to buy a new flu when the cartridge manufacturer will release a cartridge for 13 or 14 speed. greetings from Shenyang China.
that is crazy news and information but i am here for it, and thank you for this, hello all the way from florida, one day I hope to make it over there for a bike show
@@GCPerformance18 he he I was live over 20 years in Panama City ,Florida. best regards .Com over to China please .
But you won't get 14 SPD on a HG hub
@@glennoc8585 yes next 3 months will can buy cassette 14 speed for xdr and wil can use the cassette with eds tx.
@@glennoc8585 I have DT Swiss xdr and HG
You can pick what bike you rode in Strava to record millage for each bike..
yes I am being told this now I will look into it lol
@@GCPerformance18 there is another app called Pro Garage that can then take the Strava feed and let you know when all your items are due for service for each bike. Unfortunately it's based on MTB but it still works a treat for most items like chains etc.
Can you make a vídeo explaining how to set up properly the gears? I cant find anywhere
once you buy they have an app with a video showing you how
@@GCPerformance18but how I know the precise values? By increasing 1 by 1?
I am wondering about buying either a used 8050 or a wheeltop. How far do you feel I can ride on a single charge?
Got 2 Ltwoos & work great,rest of my bikes are rim, can the batteries be replaced on the Wheeltop ,in other words are there removeable screws or are thet riveted on ??
not that I know of, I think they are not meant to be replaced and once done you need to buy new
Ltwoo whats the price point?
Would the shift quality not be primarily influenced by the chainrings, shain and cassette? So a legacy DA, Ultegra or 105 10sp mechanical base should still shift fine. A gross oversimplification would be a rear der is just a chain jockey wheel that guides a chain and a front der just shoves the chain back and forth. So really its mostly all in the control system designed around it all. Synchro shift, auto trim, firmware support, etc. I just have a feeling e-tube's going to be supported for many years. What you showed? Who knows. Non replaceable battery and sketchy app makes it a no-go for its price point
Will i be able to use this 1by, my bike is 12 speed mechanical and I dont any attachment points for the front derailleur?
yes you can, you can buy a braze on adapter, that fits your frame and then you can mount the front derailer to it, you just have to know the clamp size
Comparing this groupset with Shimano & SRAM isn't fair (in terms of price), I think.. but, how about this eds tx vs Ltwoo erx? Which one better?
Please stop saying full groupset when is missing the crank, rotors, cassette, chain
Agree let's not compare apples with oranges
I dont know if I agree, you can't really include chain and cassette because it's adjustable for speeds. And rotors are interchangeable but more of a frame fit (my road fork takes 180 rotors for example)
Cranks are a personal fit, so shouldn't be included as everyone swaps out for different length.
@@galenkehlerNext time when i will buy a complete groupset with out rotors, cassette, chain, cranks, chain rings will be the 1st time .
Cmon man. When you watch the video he clearly explains what’s included/not included. He isn’t trying to scam you
Yea I’m sorry it’s an upgrade kit. Also when you go to buy it. It’s an upgrade kit. But sorry for the incorrect wordage
i don't have a problem with chainees shifting i'm just scared about the brakes
Brakes are fine. But you can use Shimano calipers (or any mineral oil calipers) with the group.
Brakes work great. It’s a mineral oil and if you are that concerned. They get SHIMANO or Magura
A little off topic but do you use valve extenders with “deep dish” rims? Seems I cannot find 80mm intertube valves at 700x25-32.
we sell them specialized has 80mm tubes and also ridenow has tpu tubes in 85mm, i run stock tubes on there ridenow tpu tubes 85mm
Yeah AliExpress has tpu tubes with 85mm valves
What disc brake pads does it use?
it uses there own, but I am sure you can find some tektros to work for it
bought a second set of rim brake for my 795
that is awesome!!
I've been using the older MTB version that they said not to do a review on due to patent infringement with SRAM. It is a great system and works wonderful. Not as fast as Sram or Shimano but gets the job done. I really dislike the app as well and that is the major downside. Last year the app was worse than it is now if you can believe that! So at least they have improved it which means there could be improvements in the future.
is it better than cable shifting?
Hi, what saddle were you using on the bike?
bjorn cork saddle
Does Strava separate out the mileage of the various bikes you use and enter?
maybe but i do not enter it that way
Yes, but you have to add all of your bikes into the app and remember to pick the right one when you start your ride.
@@tomconway6808No you can edit it afterwards. You can also set the standard bike for different ride types like Road, Gravel, Mountain and so on
I want to get rid of problems internal cables creat.
my front wheeltop stop working....... no battery alert.... any Ideas to fix this please??
try plugging it into charger for a reszet
The value proposition is not there. Once you buy a crankset and cassette you are in 105 Di2 price ranges. 105 will be better and hold more value.
The value is there as an upgrade kit. Let’s say you have a 10 speed mechanic disc or rim brake. You get this kit and boom you have a electronic group bike now
@@GCPerformance18 and can still use the same derailiers/shifter when you upgrade to 11-12 sp in future
People on chinertown forum have been sourcing this at a much lower price. Because I agree that at full retail price, 105 di2 is a safer bet
Guys next few weeks I wil got wheeltop eds tx with 14 speed cassette 10-36
Did ya get it?
@@kennycube5126 Yes I get that , use 2x14 speed wheeltop EDS TX.
@@kennycube5126 yes I get that and use now 2x14 speed wheeltop EDS TX
Does it have an on the fly trim function?
no it does not
i love eds tx. already test it in down pour rain it flawless. but i hope they will fix the brake caliper in term of cosmetic. hope they can make it slimer and remove the golf texture.
hate it. make dirt trap on it.
can't you just use a shimano caliper? Will that work? They're pretty cheap...
@@becyk_du_quebec not yet try it. will it work use shimano without custom anything?
it works with shimano no problem, any of them just use shimano barb and olive
Can I put a 12 speed Shimano 105 or Ultegra on my rim break road bike with this groupset?
yes
you can proclaim a product is amazing or great if you put a disclaimer on its other parts in this case the the FD and its shifting under load or during climbs😅
What about the MTB-system?
If you have any issues, how do you get it serviced? I don’t see any local shop taking it unless it says shimano or sram on it.
you would have to contact the manufacturer for issues, but alot of times if you have issues with sram or shimano that you can not fix because of hardware you have to do the same thing anyways
@@GCPerformance18 thanks for the reply
3:08 No!No!No! GC. The PROS are NEVER gonna use this group-upset!
Only because it isn't provided to them. If the manufacturer provides it to a team, 100% they would use it.
pros and cons list
The fact that the FD is 2x only cripples this from being truly versatile.
Did you want to use a 3x?
I've bought a new Rival groupset incl. Cranks Cassette and CHain.
For 900 euros. Can't see any price advantage.
What does debugging in the app do?
Nothing for me but I havnt had an issue. I wouldn’t know when to press that
@@GCPerformance18I checked with Wheeltop they said ya you pair the system then ya go to settings, then debug, then do the steps as you mentioned.
looks like it shifts better than my 11 speed red etap lol
it shifts really good I have no complaints while riding it
But does it have a auto trim function?
yes it does
Yes it does
I wonder if the brifters will work with shimano calipers...anyone tried it?
yes they will, other customers have sent me pics and also they work with magura as well
Too pricey.
£670 for 105 Di2, which includes shifters, FD, RD, brake calipers, crankset, cassette, chain, and battery.
EDS TX £487 only includes shifters, FD, RD, brake calipers, and integrated batteries (no crankset, chain, or cassette).
Mad....
Where are you seeing these prices for a 105 Di2?
This groupset shines when bought as part of a bike. 2 werks ago, i received a full carbon (including 50mm rims and integrated handlebar) bike with the wheeltop groupset. Fully internally routed with wheeltop hydraulic diskbrakes. All in all, with shipping (to Europe), i paid 1100 USD. You read that right. 1100 USD. Ive now ridden around 750km on it to test, and aside from my setup errors (which were all fixed), its been flawless!
So basicly the same as the ultegra.. pretty bad buy
@@jerano4469 It's whole bike 1100USD, with EDS groupset.
@@jerano4469That's the full bike for 1100usd bro
I’m not sure how $1100 is a bad buy for a bike with fully wireless and 50mm carbon wheels, considering bikes online. Is offering a Polygon S7X with 105 Di2 for $2200. Seems like saving 50% is a good deal to me (on face value).
That's awesome! Are you based in China? What did you buy? A frame costs around 500 USD, wheels the same, so at this price, you're probably not getting great quality, but you're getting great value for sure!
the APP f!!!!!!!!!!!nightmare if you are not a Geek{like me} For what it is i am very happy gear changes are fast enough for me and I suspect the majority of riders out there in cycling paradise
yea same withr me, once I got it setup and took some patience you are al set
tbh Shimano app is terrible as well 😂
thar front mech looks 1000000 times better than my sram red axs
One to watch but it feels like anyone buying it now will be basically expensive beta testers
its a cheap entry point into electronic shifting where any other company is going to be more expensive, so I mean expect it to be electronic yes but not perfect
Price
Check description
What is price difference between this and same components for Shimano or SRAM (i.e. without crank arm, rear cassette)?
Seems like this is for people who have mechanical looking to go electronic. I think that needs to be emphasized.
Well a sram upgrade kit for sram red is 2500 dollars. And SHIMANO doesn’t offer that
Can‘t believe you do not put different bikes in your Strava Garage so you are able to filter the rides for videos like this. You do not need multiple Strava Accounts, one is enough
Maybe I have too, I really just hop on the bike and go
You can say all you want, Bro. But the Oilers will take it to game 7.
Panthers
@@GCPerformance18 See you in Florida, Game 7. Anything can happen.
On Aliexpress, this partial incomplete “ groupset” is $560 and on Merlincycles, the Shimano 105 Di2 actual real full groupset is $996. So, in terms of cache, support, warranty, and resale value there is NO logical reason to buy this. None.
Good point. Seems like this is for people w mechanical looking to go electronic. I think that needs to be explained in these review videos.
Also, what is the apples-to-apples price difference between this and shimano or SRAM’s entry-level electric systems?
@@millermiller75 as best as I could determine, the price differential wasn’t compelling enough to justify the risk (for me). I’m having a wheelset built right now with Chris King hubs, Sapim CX Ray spokes, and Light Bicycle (Chinese) rims. The Light Rims came highly recommended by my wheel builder and they’ve been building carbon rims for several years and have a good online reputation. I don’t mind inexpensive Chinese goods if I feel I can be happy with it and the risk is acceptable
Yeah, Shimano groupset prices plummeted, the 105 Di2 can be had from Europe for less than $900. The partial EDS groupset just cant compete with that.
@@ADVRaiderKTM and you get the complete groupset and the Shimano brand. If a derailleur motor fails during the season, I can get to Shimano directly and a LBS and get a new one. Getting warranty and parts from China to the US is really difficult and can take quite a bit time if you can manage to get the warranty honored
thats wild from merlin, we do not see those prices over here in america
EDS Texas? Isn't that Ross Perot's old company? I think they got sold to HP.
lmao not a calculator
Sram axs with blips for me for tt
Shifters and derailleurs are not a groupset.
Why buy this when you have a full 105 DI2 groupset for 1000€ which includes crankset, cassette, chain, and bottom bracket.
because we do not have that luxury our 105 fulpll group is still 2000
@@GCPerformance18 in Europe 105 DI2 currently costs 899,- and Ultegra DI2 1369,- and one of the biggest online stores.
Do you pay to have your videos glow brighter than all the others? Does anybody else see that or am I trippin
Lmao no I just use an iPhone to film
"I like big nobs and I cannot lie" lol
Hahhaha
shifting sounds loud and clunky
It is clunkier than current 12 speed stuff. But remember SHIMANO when it first came out.
@@GCPerformance18 Wasn't into cycling then so no idea.
I think it is still expensive. It should be less expensive and have replaceable batteries.
Costs too much compared to Di2 105
not in retail stores or online in united states
2:49 Without 15 speed groupsets??????? Now u make me mad
Hahahhaha
Shimano is really not connecting faster ...
Mine pairs fast enough! its not a computer bro lol
hell yea
Bargain if it holds up over time
so far its lookking good
Loves smacking his hands
Smack me
Oh, my ;)
Not even close to worth the price when you can build a full Rival AXS - with cranks, casette, chain for basically the same price piecemeal over ebay.
I've spent just over $1k to go full Rival and that included wheels on 370 DT hubs, and new rotors, plus all the above mentioned stuff.
The batteries are not removable, so you've gotta plug the whole bike in, at two points, FD and RD. Then obviously, if a battery dies, the whole derailleur needs replacing, which apparently cannot be purchased individually.
This set gets a thumbs down for all those reasons.
HOWEVER, if you're wanting electronic without having to replace the other parts (say, keeping your sunrace or whatever casette, cheap cranks and existing 2x10 or w/e stuff), then this is an option - but then you're setting a new ceiling.
And I bought all that within the past 2 months, plus it's SRAM. I can't see a scenario where the wheeltop could be even comparable, let alone a "better deal".
I just don't see how it's attractive to spend $750 on this, when you can spend just a tiny bit more and get so much more from a better brand.
If this only cost $500, I could see the logic, but it's not in a "sweet spot" price point. If you can afford $750, you can afford $900.
So it begs the question, "who is this for?"
twoo weeks ago 🤣