Chris Broussard & Rob Parker Dispute Draymond Green Listing LeBron James OVER Michael Jordan
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- Опубликовано: 16 окт 2024
- THE ODD COUPLE - Chris Broussard & Rob Parker react to Draymond Green's explanation for listing LeBron James ahead of Michael Jordan in his top 5.
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@10:40 chris said jordan had no weaknesses. wrong he had several. Blackjack, poker, roulette wheel, texas hold 'em, etc.
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🤣🤣🤣🤣 stop telling the truth
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Jordon was also swept by pistons
I don't know how Draymond became the loudest Lebron cheerleader. That Kutch money must be good
Lol 🤡
Just like the old heads do Jordan 🤷🏾♂️
Dray is a meat rider..
@@chrishall4984 not really .. didnt watch mj play . i start watching NBA late 2000's .i do some research from 60's to pesent day watch all the great players . lebron is not my GOAT
@@ihateusernames96 Lol and you’re a clown
According to Draymonds logic. If getting to the finals is enough, why is Jerry West not on the list?
Only won 1 ring. That's not the same, LeBron has 4 rings. Jerry also played when the league was VASTLY different
@@jonathanbatista6135point being WINNING matters not getting to the finals
@@Be.authentic_ getting to the finals IS winning. Winning your entire conference. 3 series played, 3 teams you beat to get to the finals. Don't be bias on what winning is, LeBron is a winner. On top of beating his conference 8 times in a row, he has 4 rings. So he WON more than enough
@@jonathanbatista6135are you kidding me. Magic got 9 times and won 5.
@@sgdmapping_fronts that's why Magic is a top 4 player all time. But remember, he had Kareem, who is a top 3 player all time. LeBron had nobody even in the top 15 on his team at any given point
Nobody brought up the fact that defense is actually part of basketball LOL. Jordan was making all defensive first teams as he led the league in scoring all the way up until 1998. Even after taking 3 years off and joining the wizards he began the season on a tear but that knee injury changed the course for him completely. You can watch a video about his season coming back in the numbers and defense he was putting up were MVP level. When's the last time LeBron made any defensive team? 2014 is the last time he even came close to any defensive team.
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Facts and who is Draymond? He would have quit the NBA back in the 80s and 90s. Draymond would ride the bench
Michael Jordan was not an mvp caliber player with the wizards. They didn’t even make the playoffs
@@spenser6353 MJ was 39-40 years old out of his 2nd retirement so whats your point. He was already universally considered the goat. He had zero all star teammates on the Wizards, so what’s your point? Lebron is 37 with two all star teammates (AD/Russ).
Lebron had elite defense until around 2018
Nobody has impacted the game like Jordan. Michael Jordan took over the WORLD--without the internet and without social media. Never seen an athlete with so many endorsements, imitations of his style, and pop culture references. The phrase "He / she's the Michael Jordan of (fill in the blank)" is because his name is synonymous with greatness.
I watched Mike, Kobe, and LeBron. Love all of them, but NOBODY brought the majestic aura to the game the way Mike did. He was just different. That presence, that hyper competitiveness underneath that coolness, that class and elegance. Michael Jordan is one of ONE.
No one put together a prime of dominant excellence like Jordan. No one has done two 3-peats like Jordan.
He did all of this AND took two years away in the middle of his prime after his father died. Had that not happened, it's crazy to think that Mike might actually have 8 chips.
Like I said, Michael Jordan is one of ONE.
The media and advertising machines force fed Jordan into your world.
Great comment, I agree 100%!!!He had it all, and the shoes to match.
@@mobetta2092 they swallowed it up, and enjoyed it the taste was exquisite.
Excellent overview...but I think you left off one important thing. His STATISTICAL dominance. Jordan is the only athlete I can name who's equally dominant across traditional statistical categories, advanced metrics AND the eye test. He STILL has the highest scoring average ever, which is nuts when you consider the stats that were put up in the 60s vs the 90s when the pace of play was so much slower...and also did it while shooting over 50% from the floor in the peak big man era while being an all time great wing defender on and off ball.
No other athlete I've ever seen checks literally every box in dominant fashion the way Jordan does.
With that logic he could have gotten hurt in his 4th finals and never been the same after. It worked out as good as it could have for him. He literally rested 2 years. And I'm sorry baseball is rest and relaxation compared to an NBA season
“Do we have sound of Draymond? No?”
GOOD!
Great comment!
The game is so different today that Draymond Green has more career 3pt baskets made (582 and counting) than Michael Jordan (581). But no one in the right mind with a pair of eyes would ever say Green is a better jump shooter.
I realize the comparison is not Jordan vs Geen but that illustrates how different the game has changed.
I agree, but on the other end chris and rob were saying Draymond would have been destroyed by Shaq and Patrick Ewing. Dennis Rodman was even smaller than Draymond and he held his own vs those guys. Chris and Rob love to talk about how players would have adapted to their respective eras. Well Draymond would have adapted to the 90s and been a Dennis Rodman type.
@@skillethead15 Draymond is not Rodman. Not even close to being Rodman.
Draymond has never lead the league in rebounds. Rodman was doing that with guys you named.
I have yet to see Green truly guard scoring big men and do well against them. He's a no threat Embid or Jokic
Facts
@@skillethead15 yea Draymond is not like rodman
@@MikeBNumba6 Ok, then Chris and Rob need to stop saying players would adapt to different eras. Because according to the Odd Couple, Jordan would have been another splash brother in this era but Draymond can’t put on more muscle and be a Dennis Rodman or a Ben Wallace? If Draymond played back in the 90s and didn’t have to worry about guards like Dame or Donovan Mitchell dropping 40, he would have put on more weight to guard those bigger players.
I love how nobody ever emphasizes mjs 96 season. Where he went 72-10, reg season mvp, allstar mvp, finals mvp, scoring title, def first team. Avg 30ppm, 40% from 3pt, and 83% foul line perc. All in one seaon, every time mike stepped on the floor he was the best guy on the floor. Lebron doesnt have a season even close to that.
Draymond is trying to get on Brons good side so when he gets released from Golden State, Bron will bring him to the Lakers.
Dray has 1 more year at a player opition
It also makes draymond beating him 3 times look even better.
@@williamcartwright373 and that is his main angle
We don’t want him
we all know this is a business decision. Draymond won't gain anything if he said MJ, but when he says Lebron, it will be talked about which will give him more clout. It's a good business take but a bad basketball take.
If I call LeBron the greatest and I can say I beat him three times how great am I now..... I think Draymond using LeBron to try to enhance his own legacy 🤷🏾♂️
So what you are saying lebron is a phony goat. Got it!
Isiah 3 to 1 vs MJ in the playoffs
@@dparks2856 pistons team was great. Thomas, Dumars, Aguirre, Laimbeer, Dantley, Rodman all stars multiple times in their careers. Jordan’s team had to mature.
So when Bird swept Jordan but said he was playing God in basketball shoes... Nvm
@D Parks so, the last head to head match up the Bulls handed the Pistons they asss. MJ and the bulls retired that nonsense Pistons team, sent them home for good. Lol. That's what you call slaying the beast to become the beast. Lebron ran from Cleveland cause he knew he didn't have it mentally within himself to win it all. So he ran, and formed super team and still lost... lol
Its simple and obvious Draymond put LeBron in #1 so he can feel better about the Warriors choking the 3-1 lead against him and so he can say well we lost against the best player ever.
Exactly. Many believe LeBron should have never been down 3-1 to that team.
@@fatesgates8393 if go back and look at the two team's rosters yeah he should have never been down 3-1. a lot of people try to make seem like the Warriors had a lot better team than LeBron's but if u look back the team's personnel were almost evenly matched up. the thing that Warriors had was the new offense style that people still hadn't figured it out at the time.
@@Milan_N13 Also, LeBron has two titles in shortened seasons. The most in NBA history by a superstar (Duncan had 1 shortened out of his 5 rings). The mainstream media never mentions this, that it is likely AD and/or LeBron would have gotten hurt if the league didn’t bail them out with the 2020 bubble tournament.
Traveling from city to city for a full 82 game season is what makes the NBA a professional league. So two shortened seasons & he joined 3 favored teams & only 4 titles? All those advantages he should have at least 6.
@@fatesgates8393 Yeah the Lakers championship the shortened season and the 4 months rest was a big factor because as we saw and see now AD cant play a full season and even LeBron himself at this point of his career cant playthrough a full season.
Facts 😂
I’ve always said before that Klutch Sports’ and LeBron’s BIGGEST ever acquisition and investment for his legacy has been Draymond Green lol
What else would Draymond say about his boss? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
EXACTLY
They should just ask players who are your top 5 “favorite” players of all time.. 🤷🏾♂️
If you saw Jordan play you know.. 🤷♂️
Did you watch him when he was playing? Is there any player of today s league that maybe reminds you of Jordan or nah?
@@goodprince5327 nah. Nobody quite. He was like combo of Kawhi and Kobe but way way way more skilled than both and way more explosive than Both. He was the best offensive and defensive player I have ever seen.
You right I did and LeBron still the GOAT! I said what I said don’t @ me!
That's it. That's all.
LeGoat better
We always mention how Mike didn't have to shoot the 3 in those times. Emphasize how impeccable his mid range game was. All he had to do was get to his spot and it was all muscle memory. 💸 💰
Jordan was given the benefit of the doubt a lot during his time too. The 1996 Finals of Bulls vs Supersonics. Jordan was not the MVP of that series, it was 100% Dennis Rodman. But Jordan got it anyways because he’s Michael Jordan.
@Garrison Gaddy
Never got swept in the finals. Twice.
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@Garrison Gaddy That was jordan's rookie-junior years in the league in a rebuilding team. An 8th seeded, rebuilding team getting swept by a dynasty team with 4 HOFs in a 5 game playoff series wasn't a surprise compared to a conference champion getting swept by another conference champion in a 7 game finals series.
I feel Rob when he said “ok stop the list” at 3.🤣🤣🤣seriously though
Dray just said it to be trending
MJ not only has no weakness in his game, but more importantly, mj has also accomplished more with less in shorter time while lebron has so many flaws in his game and is obviously still trying to chase even after so many more years with so many more helps than any athletes in any sport history. This type of debate is why lebron is so overrated because lebron and his ppl try too hard to put lebron in this goat conversation, which lebron should have never been in the first place.
Jordan shot 29% from 3 😑 no weaknesses? Killed your argument
So many flaws? 😂😂 yeah ok. Every player has flaws, even MJ that's why it took a coach like phil to show him his flaws so he could finally win something
@@MeezyfBaby Jordan didn’t shoot 29% from 3 lol
@Taj Rahine because he's lying or just don't no no better one!
No playmaking, run and dunk, no bag
Draymond would be a 7th or 8th man on the bench in the 90s.
I don't think he would make any teams in the 90's. Just my opinion.
@@jefferyjackson134 if dale davis can start in the 90s so could draymond
Cap if Dennis started dray could
@@deon3133 Dale Davis can hit mid range consistently Green can't
@@jacksonsheldon41 Rodman was a scorer when he came out college he ended up playing a role for pistons and he stay in that role
People don't understand how special Jordan the actual basketball player was in a Bulls jersey. Leave the stats aside. Leave the narratives and the accomplishments aside. Just watch him play. A flawless player. A created 99 player on 2k. Perfect on offense and defense. The best athlete. Probably the best and most complete Defender I have ever seen. He got in that a** and defended 94 feet. Smooth, elusive, had great lateral quickness, strong like a bull but also very explosive like a cat. Perfect fundamentals. He really knew how to do it .There will never be a player like that ever again.
Very true. 100% agree.
I think the closest as far as 2-way player right now - aesthetics included - is Kawhi when healthy. I think MJ’s said as much.
@@bern717 10 scoring titles with 9 all 1st defense. Nobody comes close to that.
@@MR.__G In no way am I saying Kawhi compares to MJ career-wise and in greatness. Jordan - like you said - is on another level. I jus meant aesthetically, they are remarkably similar. Freakish athletes, super efficient scorers, and lockdown defenders. No wasted movement and neither were particularly ball-dominant yet they got buckets esp when it mattered. Again, MJ himself admitted this in 2017. So it isn’t a far fetched comparison.
Chris an Rob telling all Facts !!!
During Michael Jordan prime the only other celebrity that was a global phenomenon was Michael Jackson. I've never seen LeBron with that type of star power. Jordan changed the asthenics of NBA basketball.
And michael jackson was at the backend of his prime in the mid to late 90s so it was basically just michael jordan
What the hell is asthenics
@@xander908 the look of an NBA player. Baggy shorts, bald head, and how could I forget the sneakers that have made him a billionaire. Read a book dude.
I have been in many countries thru out the world from the navy and I never seen the love for lebron it’s all Jordan
And here you have idiots co-signing your foolish and grammatically unsound statement just because LeBron is that one guy: black, successful and powerful who point out racism against Black people. White ppl can't stand it
Rob Parker hit on the head by pointing out the NBA is no longer a high physical competitive sport anymore. As far the talent and more athletic the fact that the players like Malone magic jordan Dirk kobe and other was doing amazing things and a league that was competitive.
LeBron played and won championships while Dirk and Kobe were in the league
@@mobetta2092 DIRK BEAT LEBRON
@@normanparson3941 he also swept Kobe. And guess what else?
Jordan had NEVER seen anything like a prime Dirk….NEVER
Kobe and dirk both they won championships and played for 1 franchise not like Bron follow the leadership of Wade(Won championships 2006) Bosh and the auperteam, Ring Chaser Bron, its not the same
Everytime someone says Bron is the Goat these guys discredit them as if people are monolithic. It's his list. God forbid Some ppl actually think differently lol.
💯....and while I do believe MJ the 🐐, they act like Bron ain't bout to beat Kareem, passed Magic, and been passed MJ in scoring, he ain't far from MJ
Oh he’s real far from MJ.
I don’t think Lebron the GOAT but people turn that into he ain’t done enough to be respected just because he ain’t MJ.
@@datsapaddlin no they don't. Bron gets enough respect for his career, longevity and accolades. He's just not anywhere close to being #1.
@@dc4690 real FAR is a REAL LIE ✌🏽
Magic did the same thing but has more rings than LeBron
He'd have a case for goat if he didn't get HIV... His stats are already crazy, even having to retire early
He also got to play with Kareem from day one
Anytime somebody likes LeBron they’re “fawning over him” or they “infatuated with LeBron.” But y’all don’t say that about people who praise Jordan
I agree with Draymond, no one could have pulled the greatest loss in NBA history like LeBron vs. SPURS IN 2014 😅🤣😂
It's not a debate anymore, no goat. MJ #23 🐐. Great points Rob, the losing aspect, well didn't the Bills go to 4 straight Super Bowls and lost all 4? So they're a dynasty correct? No! They lost✌️💙🎄⛄
Losing dynasty
Draymond said that players are now better than those in the 90s….pretty certain Hakeem would run rings around every big man in todays game, Rodman would average 30 rebounds, Reggie and Ray Allen would be splashing 3s all over, Kobe would make mince meat of everyone and we haven’t even gotten to MJ…….
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he said there's more talented players now than before which is true, but that doesn't mean they're better than hakeem and other all time greats
@@yviewond3r476 - Rules have changed which require DIFFERENT talent on the court. the TALENT (or general skill level) of the league was "inferior" in yours and Draymond's eye because the game was a BIG MAN game - doesnt mean it's less talented.....if you had those rules in today's game, the game would still be a big man game because little idiots like Draymond would be too small and weak to cover anyone.
Draymond is just a loud mouth. You can only play the competition in front of you, so if you want to measure greatness then its individual and team accolades as this demonstrates your dominance amongst your peers (lifetime achievement stats do not, as this just demonstrated you played longer...you dont pick players on accumulative stats, you pick them based on AVERAGES)
@@yviewond3r476 not true either..the 8 thru 15th guy are considered trash by nba standard , just great to normal people..same as old days..the excuses are mounting up
The talent in today’s league IS better than what the talent was in the previous eras. All of them would be stars in todays league but they wouldn’t be as great as they were in their respective eras. Hakeem would be great in this era but players like Jokic, AD, Embiid would still be better bc they’re more skilled. Reggie Miller and Ray Allen would still be great shooters but they couldn’t shoot of the dribble the same players do today which is one of the main reasons the court has been spread out so much. Kobe was Kobe he’d still be a top 5 player today but he’s also not to far gone from “this” era.
I'm so tired of hearing they didn't shoot 3's like that back then. Larry Bird, Reggie Miller, Chris Mullen, Mitch Richmond, Glenn rice, Dale Curry, Dale Ellis, Jeff Hornacek, Nick Anderson, Dan Majerle, Dennis Scott, Kenny Smith, Wesley Person, Terry Porter, Joe Dumars, Mark Price, Craig Hodges, Tim Legler, Steve Kerr, Peja Stojakovic
He's talking about certain positions never really shot the 3
It is fact, the attempted 3s per game are drastically higher than they were 20-30 years ago. Yes there were players capable of shooting 3s at a high percentage but the game wasn't played that way.
The Turnover King is no goat. It’s embarrassing for people to say he is. Leloverboys act like winning, scoring, and defense don’t matter lol. He’s not even close.
The Warriors might play the Lakers in the playoffs if they make it and if I was a fan of the Warriors I would have worries on where's Draymond heart is at
He's already shown himself out of line on the court during a game, kissing Lebron's ass right there during a game.
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1.[8:57] They're more athletic in terms of running and jumping,
2. [9:09]they shoot shoot the 3 better (obviously),
3. [9:14]they're better at dribbling but,
that's about it...[9:13]
🤔That's it? This is basketball, those are 3 important areas to be better at.
I like the way Greek freak win his ring he did it old school in a way
Then Jordan ran a 4.3 in college
No tf he didn’t
Aye Rob saying "stop the list" at Kobe being #3 is the funniest thing I've ever heard from him 😂🤣😂🤣😂
Dawg I was cryinggg 😭
Toooo funny.
Jordan is the 🐐 nothing to debate
Rob just can’t help himself and just pay attention to what they are talking about 🤣 I know he’s answering the questions but say you’re Chris, how would feel as your radio host doing what Rob does?
I think you guys could’ve just said draymond meat riding of lebron is wild
With out hearing im gonna guess that they are gonna say Draymond is bias as if they aren’t
Nah they speak facts bruh
Jordan vs Lebron debate is the easiest debate in sport. Because there is no debate. People who debate this are either delusional, fanboy or on clutch sport paycheck.
They banned Allen Iverson's crossover cuz they said he carried.. because that crossover he had was deadly
Why criticize a person for choosing their best five players? It's the best players they would choose. Choosing the best players are subjective according to eras, positions, teammates etc. Personally, I agree with Michael Jordan, "you cannot define one person as the best player."
Once they became business partners it became everything lebron let’s not forget draymond called him a ussy🤷🏾♂️…and by the way mike was apart of the greatest team..
Lebron will use Draymond all day long. When he is done with him he will dump his ass. I am a Warriors fan fed up w/Draymond.
Anything is fair doing combat so I wouldn't make anything of that
Kobe disrespect is so unwarranted
For real, folks should be saying "stop the list" when media try to list LeBron #2 all time and shun any debate about it
@@iTuber012 Draymond put Kobe number 3 Why is that disrespect? Kobe should not be on the list he ain't even in the top 10
@@쿵쾅콰 lol clown
That’s this show for ya.
10:43 also there's an interview with MJ about why he doesn't shoot 3's. He said it's not his game to spot up at behind the line and wait for someone to pass him the ball to shoot.
He pretty much stated that it would take away from his game and thag it would cause him to sit and wait.
What people don't know is during his last year in college, he led the ACC in 3pt shooting percentage.
There was nothing he couldn't do on the hardwood.
the CRAZY thing is... ive seen interviews with d-wade & A.D, both LEBRON team-mates said JORDAN was better, so why would anybody listen to a role player, who never lead anything💯
AD wears 23 because of lebron
@@Playboi-Juice Ad said MJ is the goat. Sit 👇
@@g.w8785 Again, he admitted he wears #23 because of LeBron. Have a 🪑
Well Draymond also believes he's better than Dennis Rodman, so he's clearly not close on these kinds of things.
And when Mike did play point he average 30 points nine rebounds and 10 assist and two steals
Yep, in 24 games while acclimating to the position. It took Lebron some years to become somewhat decent at it.
MJ 6-0 LeBitch 3-6...end of conversation!!
Jordan mastered the mid range after having a slasher dunk fest his rookie year to 3rd year then he got that pull up shot creator jumper !!
Actually, Draymond's points are pretty valid. I'm suprised they dismiss them that easily. Jordan's best competition was Malone and Stockton?
Dray MJ's break was due to the death of his father
That and gambling
It's crazy that there was report that they was saying It was MJ fault his father died.
Correction, They tried to say that man pops murder had something to do with his gambling.....Bron quit in a series when D. West was smashing his mom
@@kylewatson4900 what
Been Waiting For This Salute OGs
Are we measuring who the GOAT is by individual stats or Team success. Bc in both cases MJ takes the cake.
Individual stats Jordan is close only in some advanced metrics where him and Bron are almost identical (crazy given how different their styles are and how different the eras are). Cumulative stats, MJs not even close, Chips Bron is close being only 2 chips behind and 2 FMVP behind and 1 MVP behind. Team success? Lebron again, MJ has a couple more chips and the 2nd best regular season record but Lebron has a higher win % and he’s had better playoff runs. Fouls? MJ averages more FT/ game than Bron and Bron scores at the rim faaaaar more often so Jordan was basically getting Harden calls back in the day that Bron doesn’t get now. Skills? Bron is a better overall player and has been that consistently over 20yrs. Longevity? Lebron by a mile. Defense? Bron again was a better overall defender and especially in his prime. MJ has a DPOY over Lebron so I’ll say they break even but we all know Bron was robbed of DPOY but it is what it is. MJ was a better perimeter defender for a longer period but again, Bron was guarding 1-5 in his prime and doing it well (not like he does today lol). Leadership? Different eras but both have had teammates praise their leadership time and time again with a few hating teammates (MJs are easier to find but I’m sure Bron has rubbed some teammates the wrong way- edge: Lebron). Like if MJ is your GOAT that’s cool but Bron is the GOAT and has just as good or better of an argument than MJ. I’d argue Jordans popularity and timing makes him the GOAT more than anything on the court does lol and that counts. But for me, Bron, as a basketball player, is the 🐐
No sir if we’re talking about individual stats it’s Lebron hands down.
@@DJ-ys9pv dude. What skills are you talking about? Everything lebron does, mj can do it just as good if not better. Passing depends if you choose it and it also depends on who is converting it too. Cumulative stats doesnt mean much. An immortal person can outscore everyone by just doing 5ppg. That doesnt make him great per game. 2 chips is far. You try winning 1 nba championship. Bron scores far more on the rim but no one is contesting it. Lbj ft% is weak. And hia midrange is weak. His footwork needs work. His dream shake aka windshield wiper looks so awkard and slow. Lbj flops and doesnt defend as much. Jordan has more block and more steals. And he has a better chase fown block where he lifted off and tilted like a superman. Lebron barely guard 1 and 5. And he's not even good at it. He can barely chase 1. Let's try switching their job. Lebron shooting midranges. Jordan passing. MJ as point guard average a tripple double for 10/11 and still having 30ppg. Can Lebron do 50% midrange? Why midrange and not dunk or layups? Who has more opportunity to shoot on clutch? Midrange or dunk? That will tell you how much opportunity you can get on how to score on each game. And bron only has around 35% midrange.
Lets go through it:
Greatest Blazers team assembled: ‘92 Blazers
Greatest Suns team assembled: ‘93 Suns
Greatest Sonics/Thunder team assembled: ‘96 sonics
Greatest Jazz team assembled: ‘97-‘98 Utah Jazz
Name a better roster for those teams!
All those teams had some of the best players of all time at their position
Had Jordan lost to them, you could make a case that Malone is the greatest forward and top ten player of all time. Same thing with Stockton.
Had Barkley won he would be a top 5 player of all time. But all those teams lost, and that's why you're laughing at his competition believing they weren't that good.
With that said, just remember the warriors team people like to praise, were called overrated after they won that first ring and nearly lost to the Thunder the following year.
When they had Durant, they nearly lost to rockets. Just something to think about
Draymond is probably infatuated with LeBron just like lots of players are infatuated over MJ. Also, he probably got infatuated after he beat them in the Finals and took his team 2 more times against them. That's tough. It's his opinion though
Jordan dominated his opponents in a way LeBron or anybody else ever has. Wilt by himself was the most dominant player ever, but his team's didn't win as much.
I wouldn't say many players who played against Jordan are infatuated with him, they respect him now, but they hated him when they were playing.
@@17thN.O this is comical. LeBron dominated a whole conference for so long, they called that conference the leastern conference. They call Toronto LeBronto. Y'all are funny!
I take the train every morning with Chris.
Real talk.
I’ve never understood why people say Jordan wasn’t a good shooter cause they didn’t emphasise it yet Bird and Miller were great from the outside and both played in his era
You just named 2 guys. There were alot of 3 pt shooters but it was considered a specialty nobody really cared about it much at that time. Emphasis was on close play in the paint and the wings.
Bird nor Miller practiced the shot, like Jordan didn't. Larry Bird even called it a novelty shot, which translates to it being a bunch of bullshit.
@@whereuwannabe7796 it wasn't emphasize much enjoys a career but it definitely was a thing towards the mid-90s and early 2000s. I think it's fair to point out the fact to say he wasn't a good three-point shooter when there were other good three-point Shooters in his era. And it was way more than two of them
I hate how they claim Dray is biased but don’t call out the old heads for being biased the same way
Thank you for keeping not real Brou and Rob and yes the games was altered… softer, easier. Super friends teams c’mon…
Just curious, they always say "do we have the sound/clip" of some interview. Do they not go over this stuff prior to the show? I'm not in radio nor TV, so just wondering how this stuff works.
By the odd couples logic it was obviously easier to win because he had the best TEAM in the league every year. Until Jordan had the best team he was just getting his numbers
They were the best team because they had jordan!
@@treyd7607 and pippen and the best constructed roster; evidenced by the year Jordan retired and they were still a contender. A great player puts every good team over the top. He never carried bums. The gm was an idiot but the one thing he was right about was organizations win championships and that was one of the best ever
@@T.Thomas. .. As usual, you don't know what you are talking about because you can't explain anything you've said. You are just like the rest, reading to respond and fail to think.
@@ericjordan6059 ever consider that it’s no that I didn’t explain but you just can comprehend? Based on this comment I’m not even sure you understand the way basketball, language or anything else works for that matter. I don’t know who you are but you sound hurt. Maybe you should take a nap
@@T.Thomas. TBF, that team also sank the following year, when Horace left, until MJ came back....and '94 was a transition year for the league....there wasn't a dominant team...I agree with you that the Bulls had a solid structure, but Pippen wasn't an offensive star that could carry a team night in and night out - even though he was one of the top 5 players that year - he did better doling out responsibilities. Once Orlando and Indiana started rising, that Bulls team wasn't doing anything until MJ came back fully fit.
Draymond talking about in today’s game there is more skill but at the same time he probably wouldn’t even be a starting PF in the 90’s. Him and his boy Toscano have no offensive skills at all😂😂😂
90 percent of those scrubs in the 90's would not get drafted in this era
Agree with Chris on there being more athletic talent in the league now, but there are not better basketball players. There's a difference.
From top to bottom they are better. These kids today come up playing basketball since grade school. The top talent might not be better, But from the middle down is
@@camdonking1919 ... No they aren't. Say one thing to these prim a donnas and you take them out of their entire game. That is why they stopped it.
Most important part of any sport is the mind, and today's participants are the weakest. 90% mental, 10% physical. Remember that!
@@ericjordan6059 if that were true then we rarely see anyone taking out of their game. I love '90s basketball but there is more Talent today
@@str8duval ... It ia true. They don't allow them to trash talk. You get a tech because it escalates to something more. Again, they lose sight of the goal.
@@camdonking1919 i would agree and that makes for a weaker league. you're only as good as that top half.
If I played in the NBA I would give the people I went against more credit as well
That Elephant and Fish analogy.
This be a team sport. 'Cause otherwise, there was a Wilt.
Not better than Jordan he still has the best vertical in NBA history
Anyone with a brain knows LBJ not even close to 🐐 anything and Draymond just saying this because he's a clutch client. He literally works for LBJ in case some of y'all knew to this game.
Hold on now... We acting like Draymond couldn't hold Vlade Divac, Kevin Duckworth, Mark West, Ervin Johnson, and Greg Ostertag at Center, cause that's who started against the Bulls at C in the finals! Come on guys, stop acting like every C was Hakeem or David Robinson back then!
True but be honest bruh how many center are there really in the league now. Not just height players that play center postion. Barkley was different. Draymonds to small. He can’t even grab 10 boards a game in today era
@dboy4life007 also true but we can't act like if Draymond played in the 90s his primary task wood be guarding 7 ft centers. I think most of us know he's able to guard centers today because they're not the same but the dude is right here that even back then everyone wasn't Shaq and Hakeem.
I will say talent being better is a legit argument. Good teams have 5 players on the court that can shoot most of the time or 4. That spreads the fooor and makes defense very hard to play. Everything was in the paint back then , a little easier to defend that when you know not a lot of teams are gonna shoot 3’s.
Can they really..just because you shoot 35 percent from three and shooting 9 threes..it's alterations of the game that Rob talking about.. these guys can't shoot the game is just wide open for stars to score more
1. Mike
2. Kobe
3. Bron
4. ShaQ
5. Magic
6. Kareem
7. Duncan
8. Curry
9. Bird
10. Hakeem
Everyone on your list is a winner, except for lebron. That is why 54% of the recent polls said curry is the real goat in this era over lebron as curry has not only changed the game forever, but curry has also turned one of the all time worst time GSW into a team dynasty, which lebron has never been great enough to carry his own team to a championship as lebron eventually needs to be an easy ring chasing mercenary to hop from one stacked team to another to team up with so many franchise star players in their prime and proven veterans, but lebron still keep losing...
Despite of having more helps than any athlete in any sport history, Lebron doesnt even have a winning record against real opponents with 10-10 against 50+ wins teams, 3-5 against 60+ wins and only 22/54 in nba final. Even more importantly, lebron would have easily been 1-8-1 without the bail out by allen in 2013, silver's stimulus package in 2016 and AD in this whole embarrassing AD trade sage in 2020 bubble year. If lebron didnt benefit most of his career in the weaker conference competition, lebron would have never made to a single final appearance.
We can all agree that lebron's longevity of empty stat chasing doesnt make lebron in the top 25 as the game is to play for wins and championship, not empty stat chasing. It is like saying WB is the goat just because of his triple double.
No wilt just disrespectful
Why is anyone listening to Tripple Single?
What's going on with green? Is he trying to get into movies or something because didn't he say he was going to be at the Lakers game when LeBron broke Kareems record he said he was even going to miss the game if he had to LOL I guarantee that won't be happening this year only way he makes that game is if they playing Golden State or he get traded to the Lakers
I didn't listen because their argument will lack merit. You have Chris a MJ lover and Rob a lifelong Bron hater. Nothing constructive can come out of this debate.
All I hear is people telling me how great Jordan was, yet he couldn’t actually guard anyone but terrible guards. All the guards that gave Jordan a problem Pipen had to guard them. So those defense awards mean nothing to me.
All the guards like who!?
Pippen didn't always guard the other team's best either. But Jordan guarded Clyde, Tim Hardaway, magic Johnson, rod Strickland and Reggie Miller. I'm sure I forgot some names. And before you bring it up, Jordan guarded magic for most of the NBA finals NOT pippen.
If you think those guys are terrible then I'll have fun going through the guys LeBron guarded for most of his career.
Don't even mention guys like Rose or Durant who he guarded a few times a game. But to act like Jordan was chilling on defense because he was guarding nobodies is hilarious and it just tells me the kind of nephews I see on this comment section
1. Mj 2. Kobe
Y’all bash a man for choosing who he thinks the greatest he has a right to his opinion
Jasmine you are so intelligent ✝️😇😇😇They just are not getting that concept
Draymond tryna get in a movie💯
Watching basketball today is very painful! I love basketball but NOT this thing where there is a 3 point shoot out every night.
If Jordan was changing teams joining multiple allstars he would have had more than 6chips
Not necessarily
But he wouldn’t have to because the Bulls front office made a great team around him.
Lebron wouldn’t leave Cleveland if he had that.
@@maxwellbrito6602 we say that now because we seen the results smh
Lebron is top 10 in points assist and steals and is still playing. I also have Wilt Chamberlain at number 1 he's numbers are video game stuff. No disrespect to Jordan but as a complete player who could do everything he's not on Lebron's level. Nobody's could do more with less besides Akeem who's criminally underrated.
If draymond is infatuated wit bron yall all infatuated wit mj wtf🤔
Thank you bro
In what way? How?
@@ImPapehungry he 🧢
@@g.w8785 no he’s not y’all biased
So when dray says lebron is the goat it’s being a cheerleader
If he would’ve said Mj is the goat
It would’ve been “duh that’s so obvious “
The Mj glazing
Great points by Bru and Rob. So glad to hear y'all not riding with this utter garbage coming from a very blessed player. Let's stop that Draymond is even a great all time player bcuz he ain't. Stop, just bcuz he has Steph n Klay and KD in getting two chips his numbers are never significant to where he was a factor in winning anything. Miss me with he's the "enforcer" ✌️💙🎄⛄
Like rob and chris with the Nets and Clippers "winning" since the last 4 yrs? Ok
The warriors system changed when draymond became a starter. Facts. He might not be this nba all time great, but draymond is SOMEBODY.
If Dray is infatuated with LeBron then y'all are definitely glazing Jordan🤣🤣🤣
they are friends and business partners. this is no surprise.
D.Wade and bron are friends. It’s draymonds opinion
@@Playboi-Juice what's your point d Wade isn't a business partner. They paying Draymond
Plenty of players have stated Jordan is the goat while also being signed to Jordan brand. Is it there real opinion?
@@str8duval so does that make my statement false?.... they are friends right? and business partners right? its not far off that they would be a little bit bias. not saying he don't believe it. and I'm sure he has his reasons. but hey they are friends. it's not surprising.................. get it now?
@@g.w8785 You don’t know what type of business lbj and Wade have. But they are friends and if that’s the case why wouldn’t he say lbj is the goat
Someone please give Draymond a towel, he’s been sweating Lebron hard.
MJ played the rest of the season a won a championship over Magic after his FATHER WAS MURDERED. That’s pressure. Bball ain’t pressure.
His father was murdered because of him
You got your timeline F’d up.. his old man died in ‘93
You're completely incorrect with your time frame but I guess we get the point. Even then his father was murdered in the offseason which he then retired shortly afterwards. So that wouldn't be a good pressure example
LBJ 4-6 MJ 6-0 make it make sense 🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
LeBron can’t even win play-in last year’s. Draymond would be garbage player playing outside warriors teams…
When you want to have fun, play with LeBron. When you want to win, play with MJ.
- Larry Bird
That was before Lebron won
@@jacksonsheldon41 he should update that to, if you want go to the Finals and Win some times, play with Lebron, if you want to guarantee that you will Win the Finals when you get there, play with Jordan.
When MJ was in his prime, Green was 1, 2, 3 years old. I have nothing to add.😋
It’s his opinion. You’re trying to disqualify him but you’ve never played in the NBA. His opinion obviously weighs more than yours.
@@kenarm123 ... Not really. Playing something doesn't mean you know it all. If that were true, why do they have coaches and playbooks? They're supposed to be pros correct? This is how your explanation sounds.
@@kenarm123 So only those who actually play in the NBA can appreciate greatness? 😄😄😄 But Green did not play in MJ's era and i am sure if he did he would retire very quickly.😉
@@ericjordan6059 actually that sounds nothing like my explanation. A person shouldn’t attempt to trash a professionals OPINION when they literally know less about that profession which Eduard did. Professional coaches put the work in woven if they didn’t play. Their opinion still carries more weight than Eduard’s.
@@eduardshluger2320 you’re all over the place. Mentioning Greens age during MJ’s playing days sounds insane. Now you’re suggesting that Green couldn’t play in that era. This proves how unaware you even sound. What you are saying has nothing to do with appreciating greatness. The man gave his opinion about who he believes are his top five. You attempted to belittle that even though the people he mentioned are all time greats. Focus on a specific point and stop moving the goal post.
Jordan was better on offense, significantly better on defense and also significantly better at closing games in clutch situations. Also Lebron for his career is only shooting 37% outside of 3 feet from the basket and in the playoffs that goes down to 31%. That's a HUGE weakness in Lebron's game and Jordan simply didn't have any weaknesses, especially in the midrange game where he is the greatest of all time. This is a preposterous take by Draymond.
No the overall talent of the league is better today than 30 years ago… it’s not because of evolution or anything like that but because it’s way more competitive than ever before.. MJ started the expansion on the global level of the NBA but there weren’t as many foreign born players in the league because of less scouting opportunities and the lack of exposure. Even players back then like Hakeem and Patrick Ewing had to go to college in the states for their talents to be recognized.
Also, old players have admitted to diets and staying in shape during the offseason wasn’t a priority.. even the bench guys in today’s game have to stay in shape to keep up with how competitive the league is today..
Yesterday’s athletes were stronger and tougher, also knew how to simplify the game much more but today’s athletes lived and breathed since infant stages
I would bet almost anything they were not stronger but they were tougher.
I say this because players today are much thicker than in the 90's and if you know anything about strength is the bigger you are the stronger you are.
@@Christopher._M Id say centers and power forwards were much bigger and stronger back then.. they didn’t require skill.. all they did was eat and lift weights like football linemen
@@OffTopicKamah I'm talking on average. If you are talking about just centers and PF you probably are right
So draymond Is so called up on Lebron but whenever y’all protect Jordan it’s facts no matter what anyone says okay lol 😂
Imagine Jordan getting swept twice and only winning 1 game twice in the finals? Or just losing a final period lol
Imagine Jordan getting out the first round of the playoffs once without pippen
@@mr.southsideofchicago740 but lebron made it out the first round without all them lol
@@deon3133 How many all stars has LeBron played with 😂 I'll wait 😂 sit 👇
@@deon3133 no one can do it alone
I don’t have to imagine Jordan getting swept multiple times because it happened except his was in the first round
Truth to the matter is how many players in mj era had lbj skill set? Maybe two…pippen and magic. Today’s era has sg just as or more skilled
I consider Jordan #1 on the list. However let's not act like Jordan didn't have a lot of things to his Advantage during the time that he played, for one he got it very favorable whistle especially in the playoffs. For two he played in an era where he was more physically dominant than most if not all of the opponents that defended him. And then he played in an era where illegal defense was called when you did not fully commit to a double team there was mainly one-on-one play.
@IamGrandMagus i see you one of them goofy dudes who only goes by what people tell you without knowing the game. You probably didn't even see MJ play live. Beat it.
You could also hand check & there wasn’t a defensive 3 second rule in his era. Don’t forget to mention that.
@IamGrandMagus they really do. They over here praising an era that handicaps the defense, let’s players take more than 2 steps & carry the ball.
@IamGrandMagus i like my own comments cause im just that NiCE! Now what
@@MR.__G you do realize that people manly got hand-checked in the post. Let me see someone try to hand-check Steph or Jah or any one of these freak athletes of today and watch them get roasted. bro I've been watching ball since 88 I know the game get your weight up