I traded my Ferrari 458 Italia for a 488 GTB, but do I miss the 458 Italia???
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- Опубликовано: 5 июл 2018
- So the question everyone asks, but few will really give you a real answer to... Is the 488 GTB better than the 458 Italia? Well, it depends - but I share my views as a die-hard lover of Ferraris.
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Yeah, the sound is awful and the handling is a bit sloppy compared to the 458. It's faster, sure, but it's definitely lacking that Ferrari magic that is hard to put your finger on. I'm going to off this 488 GTB as soon as humanly possible and get into something else, like maybe an 812 Superfast.
Hi Ray - I’m in the process of purchasing a 458. What do you not like about the 488? Any owners advice regarding the 458? I plan on driving the shit out of it. Thx.
Not a fan of turbos. Love that F1 sound of a naturally asperated motor. 458 styling....well rolling art.
I love the 812 superfast but the 458 still takes the cake imo for best styling
how much would you sell it for. Crazy enough the prices for 458 and 488 is quiet similar lol. its insane.
@@ks3788 Yeah, people have finally realized the 458 is a better car. The 488 in the video is long gone. I sold it shortly after making the video.
Life is good when your 488 is disappointing.
I know I tell my girlfriend the same thing, "I'm sure everyone wishes their biggest problem was how their new Ferrari sounds at redline - hashtag 3rd world problems". haha :-)
Thank you for your honest transparent review. I feel the same way. Sold my 458 Italia regrettably and after driving the 488 I’m drawn back to the 458. Currently looking for another one.
Tom Graz Same here. I sold the 488 seen here after only 800 miles. I'm either going to buy another 458 Italia or get an 812 Superfast.
Appreciate your honest input - great video!
Love the honesty. Not easy to spend 300k on a car and still be so honest about it.
Antonio Dias The 488 was a big disappointment, that's for sure. I ended up taking it back to the dealer and selling it as soon as humanly possible.
Always cool to hear your authentic opinion, I hope you didn´t lose too much money. Stay safe Ray.
excellent video...love your honesty...I own the 458 Italia
Well said. I sold my 570S because of TT sound boredom and now I'm in a Huracan with exhaust and tune. I'll go with 458 or F12 next. I've owned Ferrari and I think it's almost time to go back.
Love your channel bro! Totally agree with the points you made. Love your Toyota truck!
Thanks! I'm actually rebuilding the motor on the Toyota as we speak :) About to bolt the new cylinder head down.
@@ray5961 Wow! Good luck. Keep us updated!
Its due to the U.S. emissions. You have to scrub everything stock off that car and put all custom exhaust on it. go with stainless steel! As far as stock goes, It cant sound as bad as my Kia Sorento.
I love the 488.....its way superior to the 458! But, for those who like the 458...well buy a 458. If you like the 488 you buy that! Sounds great to me! Oh and its my 4th F-car too!
Joe Perrone I think an aftermarket exhaust would help a lot on the 488. Both are fine cars; I just prefer the 458.
@@ray5961 I did a Kline Inconel exhaust which solved the only issue I had. The simple answer is both cars are awesome and appeal to different people. I like Joe find the 488 superior to the 458 also having owned both.
Long time subscriber here. I have a quick question for you.
Do you pay cash or lease your Ferraris? I've seen a few RUclips guys make videos explaining why they chose leasing over cash and vice versa. I'm going back and forth on which option is best for me so any input would be appreciated.
There are pros and cons to both. My first 3 cars, I paid cash for all of them. The F355, the 360 Modena and also the 458 Italia. All cash transactions. The 355 was $117.5K as I remember. The 360 was I think $125K? The 458 was $220K plus about $20K to register it in CA (and taxes), so all-in about $240K. All those deals were cash - either wired the money, then sent a truck for the car, or in the case of the 355, flew to the dealership, then the sales person and I drove to the bank and I drafted them a money order and drove home. Naturally, an all cash deal is good because you know exactly what you are paying and it's a done deal. With leasing, especially via Ferrari, you are dealing with basically an Italian bank and a semi non-standard leasing setup. With Ferrari, it's an open ended lease as I recall, which means basically it's a purchase effectively. On the good side, you are dealing with finance directly via Ferrari Financial. They are pretty easy to deal with if you have good credit and because you are dealing with high dollar cars, they usually structure the lease accordingly. But again, it's a slightly more dangerous lease, because it's not closed ended like say on a Toyota or something. It's more where you owe them X dollars at the end of the lease. Also, what you really gotta watch out for is if you build a relationship with a dealer, they are going to expect you to turn the car around through them - so if it's leased, it's not like "okay, hey, lease is over, here is your car back, thanks".. No, no, no sir. It's more like: "okay, cool.. we will sell your leased car (that you basically own, even though it's called a lease) and you can pay us 5% or 6% commission for selling your leased car to someone else. Umm.. okay. Awesome. So not only do you not have much negotiation power on price with the original lease, but there are fees and money factor and then once it's all said and done, basically you can either buy the car from Ferrari or Ferrari will sell it can take a commission. You do save sales tax if you live in CA, since you only pay taxes on your use portion of the car, but what you save in taxes basically goes to the Ferrari dealership when they sell and take their sales commission on the total sales price. So they get you coming and going, especially in CA. If you have the cash on hand, usually paying cash works out best (although again, CA is going to nail you to the wall). If you lease (using Ferrari Financial), then it works great, so long as you plan to roll over your car and get into the next car - in other words, you plan to build a working relationship with both your local Ferrari dealer as well as their bank over in Italy :-) Hope that helps you out some. Another thing to note: once you do lease a Ferrari via FFS (Ferrari Financial Services) - and you stay current with your payments and all that - then you can usually just walk in and sign and walk out with basically any car in the show room; plus the dealerships are usually pretty happy to get you any new car that comes down the line, since you are kind of in the fold at that point. Paying cash works well too, but of course you lose the use of that money while you are driving the car.
@@ray5961 thanks a lot with with sharing your knowledge .
I be paying cash ,,
Thanks for your opinion. I am thinking about a 458 spider very low mileage one.
Yea, the 458 spider is very nice for sure. I think the 458 is maybe the best V8 Ferrari that Ferrari has ever produced. I still miss mine.
Exotic cars should be allowed to skip these new regulations, they sell so few cars that it won’t make a difference in the world eco system.
Thanks Ray! I know which one I’m getting now
Love the 458 no matter what
I'm a lambo man myself but the 458 is fantastic; drove one at the factory.
I have to agree with you 1,000%. I never purchased a Ferrari before I just bought a 458 spider it's on its way can't wait to get my hands on it. Prior to that I'm a Lambo guy I have driven aventadors and my SV roadster I traded for my first McLaren. I saw the Aventador losing to the McLaren on a drag race and I got butt hurt and traded it for the McLaren.what a difference Holly Hanna the Lamborghini is so much more fun to drive with the sound the drama the looks. I've come to realize speed isn't everything.as cars evolve with forced induction and electric motors they are going to be very boring. I'm so sorry I traded also my Lamborghini performante spider that was a blast to drive. Currently I have a McLaren 720 a spider and I have my 458 spider on the way. I have a feeling I'm going to like my 458 better than my McLaren
Robert Lulek the 458 is a great car for sure
I can't yet afford an Aventador...well, I could, but it wouldn't be smart right now. The early years of the Gallardo are absolute garbage. Hate them. So far the Huracan (shocker!) is my favorite so far, but I have yet to get into a Huracan Performante so I am looking forward to that one day. The Huracan stands out due to its all wheel drive, its glorious engine note and the presentation of the whole thing from the outside and inside. The 458 feels like a good all around sports car and is a pleasure to drive, whereas the Huracan feels like a spaceship and just makes me smile a lot more. I also prefer the low end torque of the Huracan, as it likes to jump when you tap the gas. Great job on your channel by the way.
Mad Fly Sports Thanks! I need to post more often - right now I'm trying to finish my pickup truck and sell the house so we can move down south. My Dad died last year, so no more reason to stick around this area. The 458 is a great car; easily the best Ferrari made in recent times. Some years back I did a photo shoot w/ my 355 and the photographer (winston goodfellow) drove up in a Lamborghini Miura. That was a pretty cool car, but back then I didn't even really realize how special a car it was. I think TJ Hunt just got a Lamborghini of some kind didn't he? I remember watching a couple of his videos and thinking the car did look very space age inside.
Ive had 2 huracans...I traded the last one (2019 spyder) for a 458 spider. To me the 458 is a huge upgrade...the sound, handling, size....its more of a full size supercar.
I have a medical need for a 458. Problem is, do I trade my Cayman GT4 (6 speed manual) in towards one? Or wait a little to buy one and keep both? GT4 is so much fun and a different experience.
There's not much as fun to drive as the 458, but I understand what you mean, For a while, I had an R1 and my 360. I soon realized that for fun I was always taking the motorcycle out when I had free time. After not driving the 360 for 6 months, I realized it was time to sell it and keep the R1. With the 458, it checks off so many boxes as far as having a fun sports car, I personally feel like unless you also happen to own an F40 or maybe an 812 Superfast, it's going to end up being difficult to not want to always be behind the wheel of the 458. Even as someone who is a diehard manual gearbox fan, the 458 is super enjoyable to drive; I personally always drove it in manual mode, as the auto shift mode is lame as far as I'm concerned. All I can tell you is that the 458 is an amazing car to own.
Interesting video. I test drove an F8 Tributo and while a beautiful car, the experience just didn't wow me. I am very old school with a 1986 328 GTS and a 1990 Testarossa.
However, I did aquire a 2011 458 Italia just to not be left in the stone age (needed to learn paddle shifting vs three pedals and a stick LOL). Beautiful car, was even told that if I replaced it with an SF90 Stradale, I would be disappointed. Still, the 458 does make me lazy vs the old school cars.
Yeah, the 488, F8, etc. do nothing for me. I'm more old school also. My first car was a 355, then a 366 (both manual). I came close to buying a 550 and also a 512TR; won't mind owning an older car like a 250GTE or something. So I'm with you on the older cars being more Ferrari than the new stuff. The 458 Italia that I owned was far and away the most enjoyable sports car I've ever driven. It takes a little time to warm up to it and really appreciate what an amazing car it is, especially if you are coming from driving a gated gated. I had long said I would never buy any F1 car, but after owning the 458, I realized a lot that I didn't understand. If I can offer any advice on the 458, it would be never use auto mode. Auto mode is god awful; it will ruin the experience of driving the car. Also, to really drive the 458 F1 correctly, you have to think like you are driving a manual gearbox car, such as the 328. The F1 DCT gearbox actually is basically a manual gearbox and has to largely be approached the same. The only difference is you have a computer which is figuring out when to use the clutch on your behalf. But if you fully understand things, you can let the car roll back at a signal, go into N while driving, etc, etc. I think if you hold the left paddle down, it will also rapidly down shift, but I never did that. But if you just think in terms of driving a manual gearbox - where the paddles are doing the stick shift part - then the car suddenly becomes far more enjoyable. The 458 has just the right amount of modern tech; not too much, not too little. Also, driving it in Race or CT OFF is a lot more enjoyable. I pretty much always drove my car in CF OFF, unless I was coming home and needed to quiet down the exhaust, in which case just flip it back to normal. The other thing about the 458 is the battery... due to the draw of all the ECU's, the car barely operates correctly with a standard car battery. Do yourself a favor and stick a Lithium Ion battery in there. The higher voltage will make the car operate far better. I ran the Braille i48CS on my car and it was night/day difference. Anyway, the 458 is truly the best V8 Ferrari they have ever made. The stuff after cannot top it and given the state of things at the company, I doubt anything ever will.
Thanks for the reply. I didn't realize this was from 5 years ago. LOL
@@garysandberg3259 Yeah it was a while back
Just for giggles. Did my introductory race driver training course in my 328 GTS, targa roof off, wearing an Aloha shirt. Driver nickname, Magnum of course.
@@garysandberg3259 Love it :)
It’s crazy to me that it wouldn’t sound good. The F40’s 2.9 V8 sounds incredible, so you’d think Ferrari could make a turbo 3.9 sound great but it’s just not. I would actually be most disappointed in the redline. The 458, of course was 9000. For the 488 it dropped all the way to 7500. To me that’s huge, even with better torque is completely incomparable.
Yes, I agree with you 100% - part of the reason I opted for the 488 was exactly what you mentioned above: If the F40 twin turbo sounds amazing, then why not the 488 GTB? I almost bought a damaged F40 back in the late 90's, as that was/is my dream Ferrari to own and modify (i.e. LM spec). But since the F40 has now gone over $1M, I figured the 488 might be found and sound similar. Not so much... I was going to weld up my own straight pipe exhaust, with resonators similar to the F40 Tubi exhaust, but ended up just trading the car in. The other point you make, about the redline with the 458 vs the 488 is true as well. The 458 pulls nicely right to redline. The 488 is faster and is quite a bit of fun, but it's a lot more torque and the shifts from 1st to 2nd can easily slam you into the rev limiter if you aren't on the ball. Doing a hard 1/4 run in a 488 feels a lot like you are shifting a close ratio motorcycle... the gears come up so fast you almost don't have time to think. I know, I know.. 3rd world problems. The 488 did start to grow on me after a while, but it certainly wasn't the love affair I had with my 458 Italia.
Dude the car is awesome wish I had one
It's a fun car for sure. I think had I put a different exhaust on it, it might have helped out a bit.
Yeah two on each side
I love you hahahahah I just bought a 458 spyder.
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I agree! I own a 458, I have driven the 488. That battery u talk about is way expensive. The 488 is turbocharged, you loose the sound, maybe aftermarket exhaust will help. I like Tubi. Your car looks nice in black. U need to get PPF.
Sexy car Ray!!!
The lamborghini comment hurt me as an owner... Jk 😂 But do enjoy the car as it is beutiful.
lol :-) Thanks. I ended up selling the 488 pretty quickly. I would have taken it back the day after I purchased it, but it would have caused too many problems with my dealer and all that. I tried to warm up to the car, but in the end I sold it and bought 2015 Aventador.. JK :) No Aventador, but I did sell the 488 after the 5 longest months of my life.
I agree 488 sounds like shit! I am a Ferrari fan but the 488 convinced me Lamborghini was better for a while! I owned F430 then got a balboni the a huracan (didn’t care much for the silly crackles they added to the exhaust but still sounded amazing overall) and now I am a happy 458 spider owner! It is an amazing true Ferrari
The 458 is the best
Thats why i will keep my 458
Smart man.. yeah, the 488 sucks. I sold it after only 5 months and it was the worst 5 months ever with any car. That car just gave me a headache. The 458 is bliss. The 458 Italia is truly the best V8 Ferrari ever made. All the new stuff from Ferrari is BS if you ask me. I'm no longer a Ferrari customer. I think if I ever got another Ferrari, it would be a manual 360 maybe... gut it and put a cage in and paint it flat black. People think I'm joking, but just wait and see :) Anyway, the 458 is really the best Ferrari out there if you're more of the old school kinda Ferrari customer that appreciates raw and great sounding.
How did you afford this car?
Funny, I was just taking a shower and thinking maybe I should make a RUclips video explaining how I made money. It's a long story. I started out with nothing ($600) and made a few million by running companies and computer stuff over the years (took me about 16 or 17 years or hard work), plus stock market stuff. The short answer is I have run 5 or 6 companies and play the stock market. I also had a fairly large Internet company back in the 90's. Anyway, this was my 4th Ferrari. The 3 previous ones I paid cash for (the 355, 360 and the 458 Italia). On this particular one, I wasn't sure I would like it, so I leased it through Ferrari financial services. I wanted to establish a relationship with FFS, because I was contemplating getting maybe a Pista or F40 down the road and I wanted to lease those to begin with and not tie up a bunch of cash. Anyway, so the lease on a Ferrari isn't too bad. A couple thousand a month I think. I ended up selling the 488 for exactly what I paid, so owning it for 6 months ended up costing maybe $12K or something. Had I liked it more, I would have probably bought out the lease. Sadly, the engine noise of the 488 is awful and the car wasn't nearly as fun to own at my 458. Not real impressed with the new direction of Ferrari, so now I'm a Toyota pickup man. But the short answer is that on most all of my Ferraris, I purchased them as a reward for making a big trade in the stock market pretty much. Anyway, let me know if you have any further questions. Thanks!
@@ray5961 that was in depth thank you. always curious so thats good stuff to know. How do you feel about the f8 ?? Its on par with the pista interms of power but i thibk pista looks 1 million times better lol but ppl seem to love it. I want to get a 488 with a gitani exhaust and call it a day probably a year or two out. love lambos but the windshield slant is way to low for me lol.
@@ks3788 Yeah, the F8 is nice. My friend Bryan just bought an F8 and modified it with exhaust, etc, etc. I haven't seen it in person year, but from what I have seen in pictures, the F8 seems really nice. Shares some styling with the Pista somewhat. I think if you go down the twin turbo Ferrari road, whether it's 488, F8, Pista, etc. - you are gonna wanna change the exhaust. The sound of my 488 drove me up the wall and gave me a headache. That's mostly why I sold it. Compared to the enjoyment of the 458, I just didn't like the 488 at all. I have heard of a number of turbos fail from Ferrari, but I don't know the specifics. For my money, the 360 or 458 is more fun. But if someone put a gun to my head and said pick a turbo Ferrari and it can't be the F40, I'd probably opt for the F8 and take my chances.
@@ray5961 haha fair enough. Lucky for you, you can afford it. Maybe one day I can too but I know I’m near 488 territory would be nice to have any Ferrari so excited for that. Cheers man. You have me some motivation.
@@ks3788 Make sure to test drive one first. The 458 is way better overall - it's the perfect balance of powder, handling, electronics, etc. The later cars kinda suck if you ask me. I think if I got another Ferrari, I'd maybe get a manual 360, put a cage in it and paint it flat black or something. They are all fun cars, just some are more easy to live with than others.
how can i afford a 488 like you ?
I think that's a question you'll need to answer for yourself: what can you do to make a lot of money. It's different for us all. Me personally, I got my start programming computers and my main focus has always been on technology, the stock market, money, etc. I've owned a number of companies over the years. So it just depends. The 488 is around $300K if you buy it outright or maybe $2000 or $3000 a month or something if you lease it. Ferrari has a financing arm called Ferrari Financial services; they will generally finance purchasing a Ferrari for someone with good credit and income, etc.
@@ray5961 Thank you for that. I am also into computer stuff as an engineer. I think the owning businesses is the ticket. Just dont know what business would be realistic for me. I already have the stocks and crypto down and growing on that front.
This guy sounds so u happy with the 488, why doesn’t he return and get something else? Maybe a Ferrari super fast
CONRADO COSTA Si, I sold it as quickly as possible. I actually test drove an 812 Superfast recently - that's definitely a much more enjoyable car!
@@ray5961 driving the 812 is like sailing a boat - you absolutely feel the cars weight.
Buy back the 458, is the best
i wish i had the money to trade a ferrari for another ferrari lol
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Ray, you should have just kept the 458 and leased this one....
Fred Daniali too many cars, not enough garage space - the age old problem.
@@ray5961 Lol... especially the bay area... property is a premium up there.
Porsche gt3 (gt3 rs) beats the Ferrari. My garage is 458 and gt3
Vick G I'm not a Porsche guy myself, but some of those RS's are very nice for sure!
@@ray5961 i never was either until i bought my GT3 (ready out of the factory)... you should test drive one :) On my 458 I had to get-> Novitec springs, speciali alignment and exhaust module to control the valves to be satisfied.
@Vick G. What do you mean GT3 RS “beats” the Ferrari.
There is a reason as to why you keep the 458 yes? Ferrari may not have the best times or isn’t even the fastest but yet it costs more and also holds great value. That tells you something right there.
Also. Many have GT3’s. It’s like a Corvette at times. Too many folks have them.
Porsche lack the passion for design. Great performance though.
PLEASE SPEAK UP IF YOU EVER DO ANOTHER VIDEO
ron tops Hey Ron - yeah, no more videos on the 488 I'm afraid. I couldn't warm up to the car at all and ended up taking it back to the dealer to sell. I should have just stuck with the 458.
Dont understand all that BS Spoken Here. I Drove Both, the 458 and the 488. the 488 is the one that Reallly touched My Heart and made me Feel wow. Sound of the 458 is Boring at Low Revs and screaming at 9000 but is that desirable to Hold the car at 8000-9000 Rpm ? The 488 has the more masculine Sound and the refined technics. Definitely 488 !!!! Suspension is Second to none. Remember i am Talking about the Euro versions. There might be differences.
Gusseisern That's interesting to hear. Yes, perhaps our US emissions play a role. I've owned the 355, 360, 458 and 488. The 488 exhaust note was the worst by far. The 488 accelerates and stops better than the 458 for sure, but overall the 458 is a much more well thought out car and far more enjoyable as a daily driver. Bullshit is always in the eye of the beholder...
Having driven both,I prefer the 458.
After driving both Ferraris and Lambos, Lambos are way better in every way! Shocking you prefer Ferraris.
Mad Fly Sports They just don't appeal to me, but neither do the Ferraris produced after the 458 either. I think there might be an 812 superfast in my future. Which Lamborghini do you like most?