I did some survey about DF64 before I actually purchased it. Your video is the most helpful I've ever found. The spring adjust is so good. Thank you for your effort. Wish you can bring more.
Just wanted to leave you a comment to thank you for the video! I decided on a DF64 and I've come back here quite a few times to clear some doubts. I really appreciate you putting this together! Have a wonderful day!
Today I received df64. I haven't unpacked yet, but I came across this video and oh gods, I saw it in time. Thank you for that. Subscribed to your channel. I will wait for interesting videos.
Im so excited!!!! My df64 has been sitting on my kitchen countertop and today I get a break from work so I can go home and finally set it up :D thank you so much. You explain things clearly and in an engineer way that I can understand :D
okay im here- my only question is in 4:46. My default white sleeve was actually pushed all the way up, not down, but was flush on the top of the spring. is that way or your way correct? i tried pushing the white sleeve all the way down as you said but it was hard tightening the collar. So i switched it back to default and it closed fine. also in my machine, i didnt have to manually screw in the screw and tighten the collar. it was already as tight as it was.
Thanks just got mine today, and I got your indicator mod, this video got me dialed in in 2 shots. Still a bit too much retention. But I’m sure it will get better as it gets seasoned. This video is awesome. Thanks again 🙏
Great timing CY. Actually tried around 6 coffees in my DF-64 and noticed something. (tried size 55 to 65 past zero points with awesome results) For the first 2-3 coffees, the grinder had a lot of retention ~ 1g. I assumed this was normal or that I was too soft with the bellow. I found the grinder had very little spring-back action using the bellow. For coffee 4-5-6, pressing a little harder on the bellow got my coffee ground out and I got around 0.1g retention (that's good). However, after using the grinder I noticed my zero points "seem" to shift. What I suspected it that the spring was not all the way through (as you show on your "Part I | Burr Alignment | DF64 " video. meaning the spring-back action is not strong enough to put the burr on his initial position. So I opened gently the grinder and I was right. All the three springs were in the middle of the silicon sleeve almost at the top like you said. I don't know why they don't check this at the factory as it should be an easy fix. Now my springs look like yours. So I removed the spring, aligned them with the sleeve like you did in the video at 12m 46sec, I ensured the springs are now flush with the silicon. Now the spring-back action is way stronger. The problem is when I try to put everything back on, it seems the springs have a lot more tension now (expected) and I just can't find the entry point of the collar. Haha, I may be crazy but it's been 30 minutes and I still can't find a way to screw the collar of the grinder so all is smooth when i try to screw it. I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong but I don't want to force anything. Tried to find the entry point at 8 and 9 o clock but it does not seem to work. Once I thought I got it around 4 o'clock, the collar was screwing but I made about only half a turn before there was resistance. In your video, you seem to screw the collar with one finger so I expect no resistance. Am I doing something wrong or is the entry point just really hard to find the first time ? I will align my burr later as I don't have markers right now, but I wanted to fix the spring sleeve for the bellow :). I hope I won't struggle like this every time I want to clean it. If you have any advice they are welcome, I am a little afraid of the top collar not screwing... it is my first burr grinder Thanks for the video CY.
it's very good coffee grinder used in home kitchen room. I am GeorgeWong, the grinding burrs import from Italy, we are supplier for maker in Ningbo city.
you must have gotten the machine from my brother David! Rubino is truly an high quality Italian espresso machine that none can match. I mean it's build quality. Ability to make espresso and steam milk is amazing too!
One of the first things that I do with electric (burr) grinders is to check for oscillation/wobbling in the turning burr/carrier/shaft (without beans in chamber). If it is wobbling significantly, then the seller or manufacturer may need to be contacted.
My experience is that they all wobble quite a bit, at least relative to how far obsessive compulsive espresso people take these things. Perhaps I can start a RUclips channel on testing the run out on espresso grinders, motors, and bearings.
There are many tips and tricks through the video, so I suggest watching the full thing. But I find myself coming back, so here are the main timestamps: 3:32 Disassemble the collar by turning anti-clockwise. 4:03 Remove the metal part and the 3 springs underneath. 4:17 Make sure that each spring is aligned with its plastic sleeve. 5:46 Reassemble the metal part back and make sure that the springs are well reset. 6:10 Reassemble the collar by slowly turning clockwise while pressing the metal part down. This should not require any force. It should require 4 full turns before it can not turn anymore. 7:09 Find the zero point. With the power turned off, slightly loose the collar and turn the motor shaft with your fingers until the burrs don't touch each other. Mark this as your zero point with the arrow grind indicator. The espresso range is now near 15. 10:21 Optional: season the burrs. 11:41 Other mods, tips and tricks.
Hello. After adjusting the silicones and the springs I noticed that the upper burr doesn't sit properly, there's a small gap on the left side if you look from the front. And now I can't pull out the silicones anymore because it's already pushed deep to the bottom. Is this normal?
Thank you CY. Just got mine yesterday bought as used but the previous owner just got it last July, so quite new. Initially I thought the zero marker was the “bean” logo on top of the spout. Now I know I have to manually find the zero mark myself. About the alignment and maintenance of this Grinder, do you have another video? Also what’s your opinion about some people spraying the beans with water before putting in the beans? Does the water effect the burrs in a bad way?
@@CaffeMartellaSingapore one more thing, just tried to do the zero point this morning and wanted to ask, does the zero point is when the two burrs “start to contact” which each other which is very2 quite sound, or when they “fully in contact” but still can move and obviously make a sound that we can clearly hear
@@Muhammad.911 Slowly turn the grind setting until you can hear the grind making contact with each other. It doesn't matter if you play it safer but turning it ever so slightly anti-clockwise to ensure that the contact is as minimal as possible. It is also a good time to check that only the grind setting of zero(Just use a maker or imaginative line) is making the contact mentioned in the video, but coarser setting like 1 or 0.5 is making no sound.
im planning to upgrade my espresso experience, what will you recommend when I used to have a Saeco Poemia machine? I want to have a non pressurized machine.
I lost my espresso range in a few weeks. At start I was using setting 15-12 to get espresso now I have to use setting 4 to get espresso. And I checked all the springs , they are as in the video. Idk what happened to grinder..
@@CaffeMartellaSingapore Perfect thanks! Already have it. Very very nice! :) Which of your versions is now the final and best why to mod the flappers? Only one of your 3D pints? or combine with a flapper? Thanks!
Hi, I have a question. My df64 arrived recently and after setting the springs flush with their collar the touching point was at about -3. After using it for aeropress today and trying to adjust finer the touch point then ended up at 30. I opened the collar and checked if the springs had moved but they were still fine. After screwing the collar back in the touch point is now at around 11 and no longer goes fine enough for espresso. Any ideas on why it keeps moving /how to fix it or do you think it's faulty? Thanks alot for your videos.
Touch point should not move that much. I suspects there are beans or coarse ground that are trapped in between the burrs and preventing you from adjusting finer. Turn on the grinder and adjust until it goes back to zero point (where 2 burr touches and chirp) and try again.
Thanks for your video, but I met an issue, after adjust the spring like the video, when I set the number to around 3 and turn on the machine, the beans never flow down, and only a little bit powder come out, will you happen to know the reason? Thanks
Changing the sleeve position to the bottom as u stated in Video after alignment will not lose my alignment correct? By the way yr video is very knowledgeable for newbie like me
@Phonsit J Hi thank you for liking my videos. The material must not be causing any friction and its close enough to hold the spring in position without any movements side way.
@@CaffeMartellaSingapore just unbox my new df64 gen 2. then i smell the grinder have the metal smell at the burr area. i want to wash it but i scare rusty.🤣 so i wondering this type new grinder.. you all just grinder and brew the coffee without washing/clean inside first?
@oopnkcoo check for signs of wear or oxidising or rust on the burrs. If there are no signs, just grind a few batches of coffee beans and the smell.should go away.
I did some survey about DF64 before I actually purchased it. Your video is the most helpful I've ever found. The spring adjust is so good. Thank you for your effort. Wish you can bring more.
Thank you for liking my videos 🥰
Just wanted to leave you a comment to thank you for the video! I decided on a DF64 and I've come back here quite a few times to clear some doubts. I really appreciate you putting this together! Have a wonderful day!
Great to know my videos helps!
Excellent clip. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you for an excellent video. 👍
Just did your spring alignment. Sure made a difference and zeroed it in. Very good tip. Thank you.
You are welcome my friend!
Today I received df64. I haven't unpacked yet, but I came across this video and oh gods, I saw it in time. Thank you for that. Subscribed to your channel. I will wait for interesting videos.
Thank you.
Im so excited!!!! My df64 has been sitting on my kitchen countertop and today I get a break from work so I can go home and finally set it up :D thank you so much. You explain things clearly and in an engineer way that I can understand :D
okay im here- my only question is in 4:46. My default white sleeve was actually pushed all the way up, not down, but was flush on the top of the spring. is that way or your way correct?
i tried pushing the white sleeve all the way down as you said but it was hard tightening the collar. So i switched it back to default and it closed fine.
also in my machine, i didnt have to manually screw in the screw and tighten the collar. it was already as tight as it was.
Thanks just got mine today, and I got your indicator mod, this video got me dialed in in 2 shots. Still a bit too much retention. But I’m sure it will get better as it gets seasoned. This video is awesome. Thanks again 🙏
It's a pleasure and I am.happy that my video can help you!
Great timing CY.
Actually tried around 6 coffees in my DF-64 and noticed something. (tried size 55 to 65 past zero points with awesome results)
For the first 2-3 coffees, the grinder had a lot of retention ~ 1g.
I assumed this was normal or that I was too soft with the bellow. I found the grinder had very little spring-back action using the bellow.
For coffee 4-5-6, pressing a little harder on the bellow got my coffee ground out and I got around 0.1g retention (that's good).
However, after using the grinder I noticed my zero points "seem" to shift. What I suspected it that the spring was not all the way through (as you show on your "Part I | Burr Alignment | DF64
" video. meaning the spring-back action is not strong enough to put the burr on his initial position. So I opened gently the grinder and I was right. All the three springs were in the middle of the silicon sleeve almost at the top like you said. I don't know why they don't check this at the factory as it should be an easy fix. Now my springs look like yours.
So I removed the spring, aligned them with the sleeve like you did in the video at 12m 46sec, I ensured the springs are now flush with the silicon. Now the spring-back action is way stronger.
The problem is when I try to put everything back on, it seems the springs have a lot more tension now (expected) and I just can't find the entry point of the collar.
Haha, I may be crazy but it's been 30 minutes and I still can't find a way to screw the collar of the grinder so all is smooth when i try to screw it.
I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong but I don't want to force anything. Tried to find the entry point at 8 and 9 o clock but it does not seem to work.
Once I thought I got it around 4 o'clock, the collar was screwing but I made about only half a turn before there was resistance.
In your video, you seem to screw the collar with one finger so I expect no resistance.
Am I doing something wrong or is the entry point just really hard to find the first time ?
I will align my burr later as I don't have markers right now, but I wanted to fix the spring sleeve for the bellow :).
I hope I won't struggle like this every time I want to clean it.
If you have any advice they are welcome, I am a little afraid of the top collar not screwing... it is my first burr grinder
Thanks for the video CY.
it's very good coffee grinder used in home kitchen room.
I am GeorgeWong, the grinding burrs import from Italy,
we are supplier for maker in Ningbo city.
Very helpful video,....thanks for your time and expertise.
My pleasure and always welcome.
Excellent clip. Truly a 101 class. Waiting for my df64 to be delivered. Can't wait to get it right the first time.
Received my DF64 and QM Rubino today. Applied the steps in this video with 3d mods. Work seamlessly. Thanks CY.
you must have gotten the machine from my brother David! Rubino is truly an high quality Italian espresso machine that none can match. I mean it's build quality. Ability to make espresso and steam milk is amazing too!
@@CaffeMartellaSingapore Yes I spoke to David yesterday. Small world ya. Rubino's price/performance for E61 is just remarkable.
5am in Puerto Rico, just reset my df64 and now having a beautiful Colombian supremo light roast heavy cream latte!
sounds so delicious and makes me want to make a cup for myself now😂
Using medium/light roast coffee and at 15 setting my espresso came A tad bit watery, maybe i need to add half a gram to the basket or grind at 14
Using BDB With nomcore naked portafilter.
High uniformity burrs
One of the first things that I do with electric (burr) grinders is to check for oscillation/wobbling in the turning burr/carrier/shaft (without beans in chamber). If it is wobbling significantly, then the seller or manufacturer may need to be contacted.
How to check this?
My experience is that they all wobble quite a bit, at least relative to how far obsessive compulsive espresso people take these things. Perhaps I can start a RUclips channel on testing the run out on espresso grinders, motors, and bearings.
There are many tips and tricks through the video, so I suggest watching the full thing. But I find myself coming back, so here are the main timestamps:
3:32 Disassemble the collar by turning anti-clockwise.
4:03 Remove the metal part and the 3 springs underneath.
4:17 Make sure that each spring is aligned with its plastic sleeve.
5:46 Reassemble the metal part back and make sure that the springs are well reset.
6:10 Reassemble the collar by slowly turning clockwise while pressing the metal part down. This should not require any force. It should require 4 full turns before it can not turn anymore.
7:09 Find the zero point. With the power turned off, slightly loose the collar and turn the motor shaft with your fingers until the burrs don't touch each other. Mark this as your zero point with the arrow grind indicator. The espresso range is now near 15.
10:21 Optional: season the burrs.
11:41 Other mods, tips and tricks.
Wow really appreciates this!
Nice video man
Thank you!
When you say the espresso range is 15, is that on a 9 bar extraction? Many Italian machines are calibrated higher at factory.
No that is the starting or suggested starting point t to grind for your espresso on the df64.
Hello. After adjusting the silicones and the springs I noticed that the upper burr doesn't sit properly, there's a small gap on the left side if you look from the front. And now I can't pull out the silicones anymore because it's already pushed deep to the bottom. Is this normal?
Thanks...i am waiting for my grinder...its shipping to germany...
Nice video man, thanks. I guess I have a newer version with the normal (not italic) font for numbers.
yes. I have also updated a new grind indicator.
Thank you CY. Just got mine yesterday bought as used but the previous owner just got it last July, so quite new. Initially I thought the zero marker was the “bean” logo on top of the spout. Now I know I have to manually find the zero mark myself. About the alignment and maintenance of this Grinder, do you have another video? Also what’s your opinion about some people spraying the beans with water before putting in the beans? Does the water effect the burrs in a bad way?
I will never put water in the burr. That's my personal opinion. It's steel burr and I am not sure what is the long term impact of it.
@@CaffeMartellaSingapore Tq CY
welcome buddy!
@@CaffeMartellaSingapore one more thing, just tried to do the zero point this morning and wanted to ask, does the zero point is when the two burrs “start to contact” which each other which is very2 quite sound, or when they “fully in contact” but still can move and obviously make a sound that we can clearly hear
@@Muhammad.911 Slowly turn the grind setting until you can hear the grind making contact with each other. It doesn't matter if you play it safer but turning it ever so slightly anti-clockwise to ensure that the contact is as minimal as possible. It is also a good time to check that only the grind setting of zero(Just use a maker or imaginative line) is making the contact mentioned in the video, but coarser setting like 1 or 0.5 is making no sound.
im planning to upgrade my espresso experience, what will you recommend when I used to have a Saeco Poemia machine? I want to have a non pressurized machine.
you can consider heat exchanger. My recommendation is Quick Mill Rubino.
I lost my espresso range in a few weeks. At start I was using setting 15-12 to get espresso now I have to use setting 4 to get espresso. And I checked all the springs , they are as in the video. Idk what happened to grinder..
check for choking.
Hi! Very cool mods. Will the grind indicater also fit the latest version with the new font?
it will fit my buddy!
@@CaffeMartellaSingapore Perfect thanks! Already have it. Very very nice! :) Which of your versions is now the final and best why to mod the flappers? Only one of your 3D pints? or combine with a flapper? Thanks!
Hi, what is the point/benefit of adjusting the springs and sleeves all the way down?
it gives u a wider range for espresso.
I have a Niche but want a flat burr. Is there really a difference in taste ? Do you think it’s worth having one ?
I have a niche and specialita and I sold them off and keep the df64.
Thank you - do you sell/ship to the US?
Hi we use to drop ship to USA but now there is an excellent authorised dealer now in tje states. You can look for Joe from espresso outlet.
Hi, I have a question.
My df64 arrived recently and after setting the springs flush with their collar the touching point was at about -3.
After using it for aeropress today and trying to adjust finer the touch point then ended up at 30. I opened the collar and checked if the springs had moved but they were still fine. After screwing the collar back in the touch point is now at around 11 and no longer goes fine enough for espresso.
Any ideas on why it keeps moving /how to fix it or do you think it's faulty? Thanks alot for your videos.
Touch point should not move that much. I suspects there are beans or coarse ground that are trapped in between the burrs and preventing you from adjusting finer. Turn on the grinder and adjust until it goes back to zero point (where 2 burr touches and chirp) and try again.
@@CaffeMartellaSingapore i actually found the video where you explained that and it worked, its back to -3 now.
Thanks alot!
Can you provide us with 3d printing files for cup holder please
Can you also do this video for the Gen 2?
i will once i received my batch of Gen 2 from china factory.
Thanks for your video, but I met an issue, after adjust the spring like the video, when I set the number to around 3 and turn on the machine, the beans never flow down, and only a little bit powder come out, will you happen to know the reason? Thanks
3 is too fine. Increase to 10 and slowly decrease the grind size
@@CaffeMartellaSingapore thanks, will try
CY, which website do you sell the DF64 grinder?
Hi its here!
Check out my product! www.speedy3dcreations.com/product-page/single-dose-df64-flat-burr-espresso-grinder
Hi , I wonder if i change sleeve of the spring after i already alignment will i lose my alignment?
Thanks for yr answer
The sleeve is just to hold the spring in position. As long as the new sleeve does not grip on to the spring, it shouldn't cause any alignment issue.
Changing the sleeve position to the bottom as u stated in Video after alignment will not lose my alignment correct? By the way yr video is very knowledgeable for newbie like me
@Phonsit J Hi thank you for liking my videos. The material must not be causing any friction and its close enough to hold the spring in position without any movements side way.
Is this guide still relevant to v4 of the grinder? Great videos thanks for posting!
Yes it is still relevant. Thanks for the support!
Do you recommend doing the burr alignment after getting it?
V4 don't really need it
Thanks! I’m guessing removing the declumper is enough
Whats best? DF64, NICHE zero or mignon Single dose?
Personally I prefer the df64 as I like the flat burr taste profile. In terms of value for money, it will definitely be DF64.
Is there anywhere I can download the model for your v2 declumper?
I have removed it temporarily.
@@CaffeMartellaSingapore I look forward to it returning, great work!
i just bought my df64 got a strong metal smell.. so i just ignore it and grind some bean with it?
Strong metal smell? That is something that I have not experienced before. Can you describe more?
@@CaffeMartellaSingapore just unbox my new df64 gen 2. then i smell the grinder have the metal smell at the burr area. i want to wash it but i scare rusty.🤣 so i wondering this type new grinder.. you all just grinder and brew the coffee without washing/clean inside first?
@oopnkcoo check for signs of wear or oxidising or rust on the burrs. If there are no signs, just grind a few batches of coffee beans and the smell.should go away.
Video testing G-iota vs Niche
I won't call it versus. Its more like when you should use which grinder.
Do you sell any of those models for us to print in the other side of the world? Thanks for the video!
Hi which country are you in?
@@CaffeMartellaSingapore Argentina
I see. That will be tough to export
@@CaffeMartellaSingapore so you don't sell the 3d model files?
@@osvaldoaufiero4707 I shared it freely on thingiverse. Just search Godspeeeeed in thingiverse.
Is it normal if I got zero point slightly to the right?
Yes it's normal.
Isn't it possible to bring that point to the center?
I don’t think so unless you get a new dial ring indicator to stick it on top
Yeah every different grinder has a slightly different zero point as this is dependant on the 3 springs.
It this uncle is in my country, i will deffinitely buy df64 from him
He hid nothin
eKspresso!
Pardon me for that😁
Love the videos, but it would be great if you learn where your camera is, you are always looking at the screen, not at the camera :-)
yeah that is true. I will try to look at the camera. 😁
Receiving my DF64 in a few weeks. I agree with other comment, you should package the different parts and sell them as such
Hey, have you shipped my stuff?
will be shipped on Wednesday.