Composer Reacts to Opeth - Coil/Heir Apparent (REACTION & ANALYSIS)

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  • Опубликовано: 25 авг 2024

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  • @KarhuLP
    @KarhuLP 2 года назад +62

    Coil and Heir Apparent are technically two different tracks, with a seamless transition. Hessian Peel from the same Album actually has stylistical shifts in one song.

  • @bradcampbell4771
    @bradcampbell4771 2 года назад +47

    For a big shift in musical styles, you should've checked out Hessian Peel from this record. It's a bit more dynamic overall and I think a more powerful track on this record. Either way there isn't a bad song on this album.

    • @melryan9412
      @melryan9412 2 года назад +3

      Yea Hessian Peel is incredible

    • @adiv2181
      @adiv2181 2 года назад +1

      Second half of Hessian Peel goes heavy AF!!!!!

    • @progperljungman8218
      @progperljungman8218 2 года назад +1

      Extraordinary album indeed!

    • @davguev
      @davguev Год назад +1

      Love Hessian Peel.

  • @Ramoono
    @Ramoono 2 года назад +17

    Opeth has some of the best song endings... and one of the few bands I can get on board with growls.

  • @thegrimner
    @thegrimner 2 года назад +15

    I am fairly sure you reacted to more growly Opeth before. In fact, looking at the recommendations on the bar to my right, there's a vid of yours where the thumbnail reads "Dude, when those *GROWLS* come in!"
    Which ties into the other thing I was about to mention, you seem to have a very strange relation with this band and they never seem to "stick" with you. WHich, on a surface level at least, is kind of strange, because they sound like your jam on paper, a heavy band that is expansive enough in sound to be considered a "gateway drug" of sorts into the more extreme subgenres. And that might also be the problem, they're one of those bands that people will just naturally shoehorn into every single theme, even when, as in this case, they're only tangencially related. I mean, Opeth, when they're good, are really very very good, but they're really nowhere near as expansive stylistically as folks sometimes make them out to be. It's really a balancing act between 90s death metal and 70s prog rock, and whatever folk or jazz happens to get thrown in is one that was already present as an influence in those genres. SOmetimes they merge it excellently, here not so much and it's not really supposed to, they're really different tracks by design. There *is* a tonal shift, but there really isn't a "flow" between the tracks.

  • @progperljungman8218
    @progperljungman8218 2 года назад +18

    Man... you even gave them props on growl-week 😊

    • @progperljungman8218
      @progperljungman8218 2 года назад +3

      (and you did quite a few of their songs with growls)

    • @CriticalReactions
      @CriticalReactions  2 года назад

      I'm gonna chalk that up to hearing more nuance in growls now and seeing similarities and details where I didn't back then 😅

  • @floridabelle
    @floridabelle 2 года назад +12

    Heir Apparent not Apprentice. 😁
    Here's a RUclips interview where Jinjer talks of Mikael Åkerfeldt & Opeth being an inspiration for their music.
    Tatiana seems to have a deep appreciation & respect for Mikael.
    It starts around 6:24 into the interview.
    ruclips.net/video/7P3lBkUnNRo/видео.html

    • @CriticalReactions
      @CriticalReactions  2 года назад +1

      I dunno what it was with that phrase. Said 'apprentice" at least twice, maybe three times.
      Very neat hearing that Tatiana admits to being inspired by Mikael. You can absolutely hear it in her style of growls.

    • @floridabelle
      @floridabelle 2 года назад +2

      @@CriticalReactions Some things just get stuck in our head for no good reason. 🤷‍♀️
      Yeah, I heard that about Jinjer and remembered it. I think there's a guy named Mike in the band that has said his favorite band is actually Opeth. Naturally, I couldn't find the article. I don't listen/follow Jinjer, which makes it harder to find info on them.

  • @StringHead92
    @StringHead92 2 года назад +23

    Two things for you to keep in mind if you want to check more Opeth out. This (Watershed) is their last album with growls, by now, half of their discography is growl-less, so there's a ton of stuff closer to Coil to check on your own. Another thing to keep in mind is that they rarely use only growls on their tracks, no matter how heavy. They mix things up with cleans and harshes, so that mix that you mention is the rule on their heavier albums, and the solely harsh vocals is actually an exception.
    You are definitely onto something about these tracks being unrelated. Heir Apparent was going to be the opening track on Watershed but the band settled on Coil because they preferred having a softer intro. Coil is also their only duet so far, and the only track to feature female vocals.
    Great insight as always, Bryan!

    • @progperljungman8218
      @progperljungman8218 2 года назад +2

      Yeah, the songs are lyrically unrelated but go SO WELL together musically that I always miss Coil when exposed to Heir Apparent as a solitude track. Love them both individually but together they're almost unmatched!

    • @AesirBerserkr
      @AesirBerserkr 2 года назад

      there is no song with only growls the closest you get is Demon of the fall and its a snippet considering the length of the song.

    • @progperljungman8218
      @progperljungman8218 2 года назад

      @@AesirBerserkr Blackwater Park?

    • @AesirBerserkr
      @AesirBerserkr 2 года назад +1

      @@progperljungman8218 i suppose you could make that argument there is a little background vocal he sings clean, I actually remember Heir apparent since it is a separate track doesnt have any clean at all

    • @progperljungman8218
      @progperljungman8218 2 года назад

      @@AesirBerserkr Oh yes

  • @justinshook5332
    @justinshook5332 2 года назад +9

    I'd really love to hear your take on their "Deliverance" album. Either the title track or "Master's Apprentices" So heavy and so beautiful.

  • @Taunic
    @Taunic 2 года назад +6

    You'd be surprised what Mikael can do with his growls. This song was just laying it on thick and brutal. Most of their other songs have very nice contrast between heavy growls and soft beautiful singing which is also reflected in the dynamics and music. Took me a little longer to get into Heir Apparent, but when I did, I was hooked!

  • @hasanmolla8000
    @hasanmolla8000 2 года назад +3

    Alcest - Ecailles de Lune Pt.2!!! I've suggested this a bunch of times but it just happens to have so many elements that you've been looking for

  • @richardjones38
    @richardjones38 2 года назад +4

    I saw an interview with Tatiana and Eugene from Jinjer where one or both of them said Opeth had been an influence.

  • @Capitaomac1
    @Capitaomac1 2 года назад +8

    Dude, you really don't know Opeth. You would be surprised ...

  • @derekd.4156
    @derekd.4156 3 месяца назад +2

    6:27 is one of the heaviest riffs I’ve ever heard

  • @GetzGoth
    @GetzGoth 2 года назад +4

    "Very Dave Mustaine style solo". That was actually a pretty good observation there. I wouldn't have come up with it, but I can see it! Cheers!

  • @tr33hous3
    @tr33hous3 Месяц назад +1

    unreal album, unreal band.... it's on a level with pictures at an exhibition & the like, a journey between lush meadows & volcanic eruption.... I'm lacking words, album title says it all

  • @williamreynolds3487
    @williamreynolds3487 2 года назад +1

    God, I love this outro (even though it didn’t need to be there lol)
    Edit: Btw, you reacted to Blackwater Park a few years ago, which had only screams.

  • @tommaw3204
    @tommaw3204 2 года назад +6

    I'd be really interested in seeing you react to and analyse a classical piece of music! Something by Stravinsky or Mahler covers just about every musical mood and dynamic there is in one piece.

    • @CriticalReactions
      @CriticalReactions  2 года назад +2

      I've checked out a handful of 20 Century Classical as well as some avant garde stuff. Schnittke, Alon Mor, Martikainen, Arvo Pärt, Gleb Kolyadin, Penderecki, and Manuel Chrysaphes have all been on the channel. It's always a joy to pick apart that genre because typically there's a lot more in the performance aspect to dive into and appreciate as well as the overall composition.

  • @wizardofoz220
    @wizardofoz220 Год назад +1

    You nailed the analysis

  • @johnnyg666
    @johnnyg666 2 года назад +4

    "Coming for you" by Twelve foot ninja is Perfect for the stylistic changes.
    I absolutely love Opeth though and the two of these songs are fantastic in my opinion.

  • @sateentuoksu
    @sateentuoksu Год назад +1

    It, yes, has to be a personal thing; For me the repetitiveness is so beautiful, it's just like laying on bathing mattress on an almost calm sea.. Just small waves going on and on.. and you are all relaxed and awake, watching the starlit sky, just feeling it all

  • @ambassadortourettes753
    @ambassadortourettes753 2 года назад +5

    Opeth is like Porcupine Tree... Musical Wonderlands 👌

  • @chrisdepp7665
    @chrisdepp7665 2 года назад +9

    Heir apprentice is one of the only Opeth songs that has all growling in it... not the one I would have picked for this theme. Baying of the hounds has the stylistic changes you were looking for sir.

    • @ManWithoutThePants
      @ManWithoutThePants 2 года назад +1

      Blackwater park is another one. Well, there is little quiet clean "aaaah" thing going on in the softer part there, but no actual clean vocals anyway.

    • @ugurline
      @ugurline Год назад

      apprentice lmao it's apparent

  • @Wild_Open
    @Wild_Open 2 года назад +8

    I get the reasoning behind picking the Coil/Heir combo, but Heir Apparent by itself is pretty straightforward for Opeth. Not the song I would have chosen.

  • @Draugheim
    @Draugheim 2 года назад +2

    First time hearing Opeth doing growls? :OO what?

    • @CriticalReactions
      @CriticalReactions  2 года назад +1

      I was corrected on this, I had heard an Opeth track with growls about a year ago, during the Amazing Growling theme 😅

  • @GTAdkdk
    @GTAdkdk 2 года назад +3

    Ah, if you're looking for same theme carried over to the next song with drastic change in style, check out DEATH's Flesh and the Power It Holds/Voice Of The Soul!

  • @Heatwave9000
    @Heatwave9000 9 месяцев назад +1

    I don't like the lighter contrasting sections I feel like its just meandering a bit. I'd trim those out and get rid of the ending.

  • @brennang9
    @brennang9 2 года назад +2

    Check out their album Still Life for the best version of Opeth

  • @BleaK1211
    @BleaK1211 2 года назад +4

    Heir Apparent is one of few Opeth songs that only have harsh vocals. I'd suggest Serenity Painted Death from Still Life album or The Leper Affinity from Blackwater Park album, if you are looking for variance.

    • @FernandaPereira-ow3jo
      @FernandaPereira-ow3jo 2 года назад

      Yesssss yesssss yesssss my two faves ☺️ and godhead's lament is the third 😉

    • @nikelodeon6852
      @nikelodeon6852 2 года назад

      bunch of songs on their first two albums have just growls..

  • @Jaymzmiller
    @Jaymzmiller 2 года назад +5

    I love these two songs but I can see why they don't hit the stylistic changes that you're after.
    I don't know if you're still taking suggestions for the week but Devin Townsend 'Genesis' is definitely one to do, as is 'Singularity' from the same album. Ayreon 'The Day that the World Breaks Down' is another one that stylistically changes like 3 times.
    I'd suggest BTBAM 'Ants of the Sky' or Ne Obliviscaris 'Forget Not' but I know you've done those before!

  • @honemho
    @honemho 2 года назад +1

    Crux by Moonthooth (off the album Crux) has a really nice Genre mix (Blues / rock -> Death) ... the guys vocals are so good on this album..
    Widower by the Dillinger Escape Plan for a nice shift as well, you cant beat the chaos of Dillinger being tamed into to ballad... at least for a little while

  • @soakedbearrd
    @soakedbearrd 2 года назад +2

    I never understood why people felt the need to hear this together like they are related in someway. I mean other than the tracks being next to each other. Both are good in their own way I just never got the whole”bro you have to listen to them together !!” Vibe.
    For stylistic change I would suggest Moon above sun below.

    • @Johnytomm
      @Johnytomm 9 месяцев назад +1

      It's just the fact that they transition with that thunder noise I guess

  • @progperljungman8218
    @progperljungman8218 2 года назад +2

    Even Heir Apparent by itself is VERY style shifting!

  • @hackandslash873
    @hackandslash873 2 года назад +3

    Well it's gotta be Twelve Foot Ninja then for stylistic shifts.

  • @jonathanhenderson9422
    @jonathanhenderson9422 2 года назад +1

    As others have mentioned, Watershed was the last album with growls from Opeth before they entered full retro-prog mode. You can already hear that retro-prog element strongly here, but mixed (not always smoothly) with their death metal side. It's an album I've never completely warmed to, though it's definitely full of brilliant moments, and the Coil/Heir Apparent combo may be the best (though The Lotus Eaters and Hessian Peel give it a run for its money). Opeth in general are the perfect fit for the week's themes given that they built their entire career over big shifts from the dark, heavy, brutality of their death metal side to the soft, beautiful elements of their proggy-folk side. This definitely isn't the first time you've heard Opeth's growls: Blackwater Park, The Drapery Falls, and Forests of October all had them too. In fact, the only Opeth you've heard without growls is, I think, Burden and the one track in Swedish. Nearly half of their discography is growl-less by this point, though IMO I think they lost much of their originality when they ditched the growls and death metal. I love prog (especially classic prog), but Opeth just don't bring as much innovation to prog as they did to death metal.
    As for being disappointed the shifts weren't bigger, I mean, before Opeth literally no other bands were shifting from folky prog to death metal. Those kinds of shifts became rather commonplace after Opeth, but a huge chunk of their reputation and influence came precisely because nobody had heard such shifts/juxtapositions of such different styles/tones before.

    • @Slic3r010
      @Slic3r010 2 года назад

      I totally agree, I still hope they will return to their old style someday

    • @CriticalReactions
      @CriticalReactions  2 года назад

      You're right, in context these were probably big stylistic shifts for the time. And that's another level of subjectivity that could come into play with suggestions and expectations.

  • @VestigialLung
    @VestigialLung 2 года назад +1

    You’ve probably already gotten your songs for this week picked out, but if you ever revisit this theme, Slipknot put out an album called Mate Feed Kill Repeat back before they signed Corey Taylor. Apart from scavenging some of the tracks for their first two official albums, they’ve generally pretended the album doesn’t exist, but there’s a song called “Do Nothing/Bitchslap” on there that should give you some musical whiplash if that’s what you’re after. In a similar vein would be POD’s track “Selah” off of their Brown album.

    • @CriticalReactions
      @CriticalReactions  2 года назад +1

      Ya know, I should have called this week "Musical Whiplash" as I think that hits my expectations a bit more about how wide of a swing in style I'm looking for. I'll check that track out one of the days as I've never heard any pre-Corey Slipknot.

  • @luishreyesbarrios84
    @luishreyesbarrios84 2 года назад +1

    Hi. With the theme this week, you should check something from Igorr or Twelve Foot Ninja.

  • @zinAab79
    @zinAab79 2 года назад +1

    The poing of these two songs is offer first a soft ballad, (the only song sung by a woman by the band), and then throw their most demonic and heavy song to date. Hair apparent is a great song but it needs more listens to fully digest it, it have a structure with memorable epic sections, specially the ending. This was their last death metal album, but still manages to have a perfect 50/50 ratio between prog rock and death metal.

  • @Madeuphandle
    @Madeuphandle 2 года назад +2

    Between the Buried and Me!!

  • @mikegLXIVMM
    @mikegLXIVMM 2 года назад +1

    When these guys tour america again, I'm seeing one of their concerts.

  • @davidharris2430
    @davidharris2430 2 года назад +1

    Try opeth the Moore or serenity painted death from they're album still life. Or any song from the album. Great album with a kick ass concept.

  • @Hanz_Goober
    @Hanz_Goober 2 года назад

    Opeth Albums, pre-waterdshed, are mostly on the heavier side compared to what they make now. But if you're looking for complete shifts in the way the instruments and lyrics are used, you'd have to choose 2 songs, from 2 totally different albums. A good comparison I like is. Take a cloth rag, now cut that rag into 8 different shaped pieces. That rag now has different shapes, but can still go together. That's how I view an opeth album. Each song being a piece that is totally different, but when all the pieces are put together, you have one album that just goes together so smoothly. BlackWaterPark is a great example. You have incredibly dark and heavy songs like, Leper Affinity, or the actual song BlackWater Park. And then beautiful songs like harvest. No growls, smooth acoustic guitar, just a great song. But it still has that same unique sound the rest of BWP has.
    The only 2 songs I can think of in the same album that sound totally different, and are, is Masters Apprentice, and A Fair Judgement, from the album Deliverance.

  • @rolandweigert5169
    @rolandweigert5169 2 года назад

    For big shifts I would suggest Maximum the hormone
    Theyr song alien has a really dope shift in it.

  • @AesirBerserkr
    @AesirBerserkr 2 года назад +1

    if you want heavier Opeth I can suggest some for sure. Opeth is a fantastic band that flips back and forth in albums as easy as flipping a coin.

  • @sunrisesurflessonskauai9355
    @sunrisesurflessonskauai9355 7 месяцев назад +1

    As albums are "concept" albums, Opeth is a "concept" band. The fact that you liked Coil, but Heir Apparent made you uncomfortable is actually what you set out to find. Heir Apparent is supposed to make you feel that way.

  • @timvantinteren4918
    @timvantinteren4918 2 года назад

    Thanks for this. Made me go back to some tracks I haven't listened to in a while. Would love to see your thoughts on "Uinuos Syomein Sota" by Havukruunu. Or some more YOB!

  • @TheLivirus
    @TheLivirus 2 года назад

    The contrast is in the transition from the beautiful and harmonic Coil to the hard and dissonant Hair Apparent. Judged independently, Heir apparent is indeed one of Opeth's least dynamic songs. It is their only song without clean vocals and is hard and heavy almost throughout, both of which are unusual.

  • @asmrmetalman1061
    @asmrmetalman1061 2 года назад +1

    Face of melinda has both acoustic and distorted guitar sections with just clean vocals

  • @effectosis742
    @effectosis742 2 года назад

    You can analyze that way Dimmu Borgir - "Fear and wonder" / "Blessings upon the thrown of tyranny"

  • @Santiago-qw7jj
    @Santiago-qw7jj 2 года назад +1

    maybe Hessian Peel by Opeth is a better option for that "big shift"

  • @falsemcnuggethope
    @falsemcnuggethope 2 года назад

    Coil starts with a 12-string guitar. That's why it sounds the way it does.

  • @harlanmonk569
    @harlanmonk569 2 года назад

    Try Ne Obliviscaris Eyrie or Forget Not. Obviously influenced by the fan fooking tastic Opeth.

  • @bertberw8653
    @bertberw8653 Год назад

    Hessian Peel is exactly what you are talking about

  • @thielenismo9657
    @thielenismo9657 2 года назад +1

    React to Standing at the Gates of Hell by Lalu, you wont regret. Please people support me on this one. If you dont know this song please take some time to listen and enjoy. Big stylistic shift on this piece of work
    Greetings from Brazil, Bryan o/

  • @justinvermilyea9192
    @justinvermilyea9192 2 года назад

    I'm pretty sure that's Anna from the gathering doing the female vocal on coil another great band you should check out

    • @Lolquake
      @Lolquake 2 года назад +1

      It' s not. It's the drummer's girlfriend. Well, ex drummer's ex girlfriend.

    • @progperljungman8218
      @progperljungman8218 2 года назад

      @@Lolquake Yeah, Natalie Lorichs - wonderful artist!

    • @justinvermilyea9192
      @justinvermilyea9192 2 года назад

      @@Lolquake ok my mistake

  • @deminybs
    @deminybs 2 года назад

    Oh shit yeah!! Gonna have to check this when I get home
    sounds like your personal taste doesn't match up here or like you said maybe hearing the entire album would put it into perspective for ya, but you're the critical one ha, I just listen to what sounds good/doesn't sound good (following norms I suppose) and lyrics are always last on my list, also pretty sure you did blackwater park?? that's got lots of harsh vocals

  • @captainhindsight5903
    @captainhindsight5903 2 года назад

    Great album 😁

  • @walkerthompson3320
    @walkerthompson3320 2 года назад +1

    There’s is no way this guy doesn’t already worship opeth!????

    • @CriticalReactions
      @CriticalReactions  2 года назад

      Haven't listened to a full album yet and don't really have a feeling of need to start now. I appreciate their place in metal history and there's nothing wrong with their music but nothing yet has jumped out at me as something I must further explore.

    • @walkerthompson3320
      @walkerthompson3320 2 года назад +1

      @@CriticalReactions To each their own, I guess...they're one of the best!

  • @adnauseam1432
    @adnauseam1432 2 года назад

    It's too bad the audio quality on this particular upload is not the best. It's an even more enthralling listen with better audio. One of my favourite Opeth tracks, if not my favourite. Also a good decision to include Coil as it's a great intro to Heir Apparent. I wouldn't listen to one without the other.

    • @CriticalReactions
      @CriticalReactions  2 года назад

      Maybe the full width of the audio doesn't come through with YT's compression but I listened to it through Apple Music's lossless format.

  • @barefootalien
    @barefootalien 2 года назад

    Ooh, a really good song for "big transitions" is "The Count of Tuscany" by Dream Theater. Or... I mean, I could name at least a dozen DT songs like that off the top of my head.

    • @CriticalReactions
      @CriticalReactions  2 года назад

      If only I could react to a song twice 😅 ruclips.net/video/FiNVXPyHYmE/видео.html

  • @snow15243
    @snow15243 2 года назад

    it would be awesome if you looked at "Unmask the Spectre" by YOB!

  • @CLFmoto87
    @CLFmoto87 2 года назад

    I agree with the other comments. Hessian Peel is the way to go.

  • @madsnygaard6444
    @madsnygaard6444 Год назад

    Not sure this is the best entry point to Opeth on these terms. I'd opt for songs like Deliverance, Blackwater Park or Ghost of Perdition... and then dig into the respective albums from there.

    • @CriticalReactions
      @CriticalReactions  Год назад

      I've done an analysis of Blackwater Park but not the other two yet. ruclips.net/video/7KhJ7F2gdco/видео.html

    • @johnadams3800
      @johnadams3800 8 месяцев назад

      I gotta disagree there. I adore every single opeth album, and i was there from the very beginning, listening to them d they came out. And honestly, in retrospect, I've come to recommend Watershed d the first listen to Opeth, for the reason that I really think it incorporates every single element of opeth both past and present. It really is comprehensive Opeth, in every sense. What could have been a better release for their midpoint career in this respect?

  • @janeg6759
    @janeg6759 2 года назад

    Opeth is a band that I grew to like. I've really only listened to Blackwater Park and I really like that album. I just recently downloaded this album but have only heard a song or two.

    • @jonathanhenderson9422
      @jonathanhenderson9422 2 года назад +1

      You're in for lots of treats. I think Ghost Reveries is their best, with Still Life, Blackwater Park, and My Arms Your Hearse all close behind. Everything they released after Watershed has no growls and is in their retro-prog style. Damnation was also a no-growls album, though more in their purely acoustic/soft/beautiful mode.

  • @petegrusky2715
    @petegrusky2715 2 месяца назад

    Jinjer and Opeth similar?😂
    It's like Black Sabbath and Venom compared...

  • @danmeehan6475
    @danmeehan6475 Год назад

    Dude come on

  • @Mr.D4yz
    @Mr.D4yz 4 месяца назад

    how dare you compare Opeth to jinjer,,, FFS!

  • @seankennedy3284
    @seankennedy3284 Год назад

    Jinjer and opeth?, get your music right

  • @danjackson1016
    @danjackson1016 2 года назад

    I generally love opeth but these songs don't do anything for me.