Straight up. I actually kept the in tact percon around in case there was a new player or a pod where I was hopelessly outclassed. Changed out some cards but tried to preserve the card donation theme but it pivots a little harder
I remember being surprised the first time they ranked Endless Punishment low (as was everyone else), and they double down again. That deck is a terror to play against, and also very fun to play.
It's a trash precon with awesome individual cards. But as a deck, it's waaaay too slow. And it's powerful fun cards are too annoying. This causes you to never have many creatures out. And make the table target you the moment you do something cool. Commander, and all the other awesome cards get removed fast or you're forced to block with them because you have no other creatures.
Endless punishment has literally stomped my playgroup a few times. a couple not upgraded and some upgraded. the deck is way more powerful than they let on.
@@greggsplaylist I literally just got done playing it at my LGS. I upgraded the shit out of it and it's insane. It's known as the " Pay to play " deck lmao.
It's super scuffed out of the box but Dr. Madison Li is rather good once you've got some better artifacts in there to reanimate and better energy producers.
Deep Clue Sea is my guilty pleasure, I love the precon so much. Morska seem deceptively weak until she's 12/13 and kilss someone on commander damage. And inevitability of this deck is just great, clues are the best tokens.
I feel like everyone heavily underrated the Zimone jump scare deck when it was released, and even now it's still underrated. My brother got it and it's one of the most ridiculous decks I've played against. It's easily #1 imo.
I made a 30 card upgrade to Jump Scare and, uh.... Yeah. I've pulled ALL my 29 basics as early as turn 8 cause all my upgrades let me pull lands fast & scare the table with many, many mana sources. 😈
Yeah. People legitimately didn't care about it. Having built a morph, and a big green seperately.. that decks was like a fast version of both. Its deadly and unpredicatable.. and fast!
I love that Mia mentioned Duskana in the Deadly Disguise precon. I just bought the deck to take apart and build a Naya 2/2 “Bears” deck which includes a lot of Bear payoffs. Duskana is one of my 3 favorite Commander decks, 3rd to my Kudo, King Among Bears Enchantress deck and my Lumra, Bellow of the Woods lands deck
Love this kind of content. Post hype assessment of these decks is super helpful for players who are only picking up a couple of precons in a year. One thing I would like to see is the plus/minus data of each decks contents relative to the averages mentioned in the intro
Caesar was my first deck (and when I started playing magic). It has turned into my "pet deck" that I constantly fiddle with and try and get better. I've rebuilt it a couple of times over the last 6 months. Happy to see it up there.
Caesar the #1 deck? Sorry but can't agree with that at all. I tried a lot to make this deck work because I liked the commander, but it's just to weak in my opinion.
Yeah I'm really surprised too. For every Ruinious Ultimatum and Morbid Opportunist in the deck there was garbage like Nipton Lottery and Mr House. Fun fact: only 1 other card in the deck except for House cares about rolling dice, and it's a crappy bobblehead.
I took the bobble heads and Mr house out and replaced them with cards like Purphoros, god of the forge, Ojer Taq, Deepest Foundation, in shield and Anim Pakal, thousandth moon. The Deck is HARSH with Caesar flinging that commander damage. Wins me a ton of games
Science and creative energy mixed together actually slaps. People doubted that it would be a problem until all my tokens became copies of sharding sphinx and yeah wonderful way to slap a table out of no where
Winter is great. Milling and recursion is a great way to get around the inconsistency inherent in commander, letting you play with a second hand while your opponents have to play with what they draw. The deck slows down a lot when winter is removed, since you’ll have to wait two turn to mill more. And there’s not too much recursion in the 99. But it’s a strong and fun precon
@@arch0096that’s what I’m saying I was like ??? That was such a weak argument as more people play things that destroy stuff rather than exile. Not everyone is gonna have a farewell in their deck or always have Path to Exile. They worry about removal so much in videos and analytics nowadays that they forget that it’s kinda more common to not have an out than to have one.
I'm with you here, Bello is kill on sight in my group now. Out of the box, my highest winrates of any precon ever were with Bello and Valgavoth (unupgraded; upgraded my caesar deck still holds that spot) I feel like the pilot makes a huge difference. Both of these decks are archenemies but you need to sandbag and be careful not to pop off and mark yourself as the enemy. My guess is they get targeted hard when playing these decks and aren;t used to being the problem player and taking the heat, so they marked them lower even though they are by far in the top 10 maybe even top 5
Omo was my favorite for sure. It really is a very unique deck and every time I’ve played it I’ve had essentially a different game plan. Between making tons of mana with the Locus and Urza Lands to dump into X spells, playing Dark Depths + one of the many ways to copy it, or just getting all the big creatures onto the board, Omo has been very fun and kept an identity that stands out among other Simic decks.
I really am shocked by how unpopular winter is. I think people need to think of it less like meren and much more like khaalia from the graveyard. I changed out about 20 cards with just random stuff I had around and it instantly became one of my strongest and most fun decks
The local GS did a Precon tournament, bellow recked house. The super solid piece (at least against other precons) is Bellows board is nearly biard wipe propf as the creatures return to much harder to remove enchantments and artifacts
I love Death Toll, and you can upgrade the deck a lot of ways. I'm going through a full mill + reanimator engime with tons of creatures, some cards from Warhammer and stupid Syr Konrad shenanigans with Living Death and boardwipes, or just trying to get advantage reanimating crap and finishing via Overwhelming Stampide. This deck also has an insane with Valgavoth, Terror Eater synergy since this creature doesn't affect your graveyard at all. I pulled my favorite MTG play of the year playing a Culling Ritual + the right side from Walk-in-Closet//Forgotten Cellar room, having like 28 mana for playing anything in my absurdly automilled massive graveyard. Reanimating any permanent from your graveyard is insane, giving you peace of mind when you mill your wincons. I also got stomped against a brand new out of the box Jump Scare precon today since I took very bad choices in my initial hand and the pod did terrible choices with their removal. Also a really great deck, with tons of potential.
Was this video premature? The "20 ways to win" secret lair commander deck mat give peaceful offering a run for its money at the bottom. Maybe it will hit the bottom of mext years list. The art is amazing, but having cards for 20 different gameplans in one deck is wild haha
There are some fun shenanigans with Void Attendant. Someone is playing Prosper, Tome-Bound jam those exiled cards into their graveyard before they can use them. Messing up your opponents cards in exile is pretty strong and not a common effect.
God there is never a precon i would want to play stock out the box. When they all had 20-30 cards you can cut without having to think, thats not my idea of a fun deck to play
Except I've played standard Grand Larceny and it's just bad. You cannot steal enough to make it worthwhile and you don't have strong enough creatures to defend yourself well. It's way to high on that list tbh
I heavily upgraded Mirko and man, he's sucha good commander for reanimating 0 power creatures. Turn 2 buried alive into corpse double, valagavoth and the other guy that can copy legendary creatures, turn 3 mirko reanimating corpse double is just insane. And he can voltron too pretty easily. Such a blast to play that deck
@victorperezurbano9504 You don't even need to upgrade the creatures that much to pack a punch. The decks comes with some pretty solid creatures to reanimate, and has great surveil engines like Dogged Detective. Pretty much any high power black or blue creature can fit in the deck nicely.
I changed Ms. Bumbleflower to a give a "gift"-deck with bunnies, frogs, and birds. It's very effective with all the talent-enchantments and still a nice group hug.
I actually only got into Commander this year, jammed Family Matters and Creative Energy, loved both, bought upgrades... then I tried out Death Toll and Miracle Worker. Quickly swapped to Master of Keys but I think I'm a graveyard player now. Milling myself is just bizarrely exciting. But a common trend I think is a love for flexible toolbox build around commanders. Winter is awesome because be reanimates ANY permanent. I can be sweaty with my Nesting Grounds and I certainly do, but I don't feel like I just NEED to get rid of these counters to get my value. I already got it when I did the thing. Moving counters is secondary removal and politicking, and its so funny that if someone blows up Nesting Grounds, okay cool well I have it back now? Zinnia and Keys both slap a keyword onto cards that don't get it. I liked Aminatou but not her tempo, but still appreciated what she did for enchantments.
I appreciate your ratings of the 2024 Precons. I preordered these precons from myLGS and paid only $32.50 for most of them. Hail Caesar is a pretty powerful deck. With some upgrades it will be sooo good. One of my favorites is Tricky Terrain. Thank you Mia and Beezy for the video.
Caesar was my first commander deck and I’ve upgraded it to a state where I love everything about it. Amazing fun out of the box too, love that yall agree. Such a sick deck
I really didn’t love the precon themes this year. Felt overly specific/gimmicky for most of them. They felt stronger than average compared to previous years for sure but it just felt too narrow of strategies to make me really interested in upgrading
I think they made them more specific and stronger to make it easier for newer players to get invested. I'll admit that I don't necessarily like it though, especially considering that finding those random legends that make no sense in the deck was one of my favorite past times
I think bello is quite versatile. You can go many different routes with it, since it works with enchantments and/or artifacts. Was the only deck I invested into and it’s a beast. Zimone looked promising, however I upgraded it quite a bit to get it where I wanted. The rest? Nothing excited me too much.
I think Bumbleflower was a great base, you just have to cut ~10-15 cards and replace them with more instances and draw... It was real cheap to upgrade and I've had a blast so far
Death Toll is so good and so fun to play and so easy to upgrade that I bought two copies so I could build both Winter and Rendmaw. They are two of my favorite decks.
The Gameplay for winter is not the same as Meren one, Winter is not looking for combo, just want you to mill you and cheat on play value permanents to control your opponents boards and surpass them@@skulletorable
To my knowledge, and I can’t find any rules that disagree, but ulalek does indeed copy all spells on the stack, not just the eldrazi spell so you can cast instants to be copied
The point is that the trigger goes on the stack when you cast the Eldrazi spell and there is no way to actually can't any instants in between the Eldrazi spell and the trigger going on the stack. If you have any other "on cast" triggers you can copy them if you set the stack correctly but there's no way to add any more spells to copy.
I played Revenant Recon unmodified against a couple friends a little while back. They built their own casual commander decks - both pretty good players. I absolutely bullied them. That deck can really go off.
@@Lucamdb2 Funny, I started playing a bit over a year ago and my first deck was a Scarab God deck my friend built and loaned to me. I'm working on building it myself. Mostly switched to mono-Black. Playing Tergrid and a variant that's discard focused with Tinybones, Trinket Thief.
I’m just happy Dogmeat got that high. Most people dont see his value next to the other precons and I’m glad he’s getting some love. Plus I once closed out a game with Ian, and there are other creatures that are game Enders with enough equipment
Caesar was my first Commander Deck and I couldn't agree more. I was able to win many rounds with it straight of the box. Upgraded it obviously got even better. Super powerful.
I fast forwarded to the top 3 and was actually shocked to see Hail Caesar at the #1 spot ! This is the deck I bought after doing a tiny bit of research and I’ve since dropped 29 upgrades into the deck. It’s VERY strong now winning me games quite often
As somebody who not only got into magic but HUGE into magic this year thanks to the cesear precon. I just wanna say I loved it to death. Great one to learn the game with in my experience
I feel like Dr. Madison Lee would have been so much better if she had haste. Everytime she gets shot at and you have to recast her from the command zone you can't really do anything with your absurd amount of energy. She just feels so incredibly clunky. I personally understand Bumbleflower being last, a friend of mine has never won with it, but pushed everyone else with so much carddraw. It always felt like, yeah you're drawing a little bit more, but my cards I drew because you let me to are much more worth. The thing with grouphug often is, that you don't have these situations where you could have a free win, because your opponent is unlucky in either ramp or gas, because you get them to fix those things. Let's not forget, that your experience with all these precons doesn't have to directly replicate this ranking. Commander is such a diplomatic format, that factors outside the pure cards are often responsible in someone losing or winning the game, especially when you're playing with friends you know well. So the ranking is interesting and all and I really liked the video, but don't hate the ranking because commander often comes down to more than just these things considered in this ranking.
The problem with Peace Offering is that it’s built to give both card draw AND ramp. If you cut out the ramp and replace it with +1/+1 counter synergy, it can become super good. My deck is 60% original precon and undefeated. I think out of the box, it’s not great, but it being last doesn’t make sense.
I just bought the winter deck which I am keeping precon so I have something to fight newer players. It is very fun but I think peoples number one gripe is that there are a lot of creatures that get bigger the more creatures you have in your graveyard but you need to exile at least one every time you reanimate.
I got the blame game deck and Anya kinda fits there is a way. You want people to be hitting each other so the life total drops so she can be a pretty cool late game drop.
I bought Mutant Menace. I loved playing it the day I got it and it did synergize well for the few exceptions of some weird cards that were not note worthy. I do believe the this should be in the top 10. I can say for certain millage and proliferation is the way to go. Regardless of RAD mechanics or not it actually adds flavor and benefits from using both in this deck. Milling from RADs can still beef up your Mothman and still gain you tons of +1/+1 advantage for your other creatures. From Either rads or +1/+1 counters this is the intended mechanic that I feel is cooler than the poison precon I also brought. My combos are Mesmeric Orb, Mindcrank, Bloodchief Ascension, Altar of the Brood. Combo that with Bristly Bill, Hardened Scales, and other poliferation. Some other notable tech cards are Consuming Aberration, Muldrotha, Vraska Betrayal's Sting, Conduit of Worlds, and Crucible of Worlds. This is a heavily modified deck that I don't often brick on but can always come out top regardless. I have also teched in some draw with Consecrated Sphinx, as well as sharpened my blue spell negation, board wipes, and mana rocks and tutors. All while keeping the flavor and replacing about 20ish cards with some in the 15 sideboard. I do believe all around that this is a fairly good deck to start with and dip your toes into. It can be a very convoluted deck for beginners. Thats the only relative downside I see. I at the time had only put roughly 50$ in singles in this deck. The Sphinx and tutors were traded tor.
I don't know what you guys are smoking with Ms Bumbleflower. I have her as the 2nd most powerful precon this year behind only Stella Lee. She's extremely powerful and precon slaps. I'm assuming you guys just dislike the group hug playstyle which is fair but at my LGS Bumbleflower is absolutely cleaning up vs other precons. The fact that you have her last and for some reason the Science energy precon from Fallout is crazy to me. Edit: Oh. Wait. Did I just get engage baited to help the algorithm? Booooo
These rankings...Man. Out of the box Bello is pretty spicy. My groups have a good mix of out of the box precons, upgraded precons, and full builds and Bello has gone off more times than I can count.
I do agree about Desert Bloom. It can take time to build up to a win and sometimes my land sacrifice, land recursion, and land payoffs don't line up at the right time (the feast and famine you were talking about). When it does though.... my goodness. It has a great win rate for me. Zuran Orb and Aura Fracture (sacrifice a land to destroy enchantment) have overperformed.
Concerning ponder and miracle worker. Isn't the idea to place the miracle card you want in the second spot (third spot if you're thinking you might instant speed draw during an opponents turn) ? I feel like it can still be used in the deck. I'm making a case because I love the artwork that specific to this precon lol
Zinnia has definitely earned a spot upon my favorite commanders, just think agate instigator, elesh norn mother of machines, and a token creator like whirler rogue, talk about 1 shotting the whole table at once!
Even though ms bumble is my favorite commander this year, i definitely agree with the reasoning behind it that beezy said. Shes great with upgrades, really fun, just the precon itself doesnt really get there unless your really good at politicing (they didnt mention politicing but its how i won with her when my friends and i did a bloomburrow precon brawl)
I actually really love the Nelly Borca Precon a lot. They really should have made more Suspect Matters cards in the main set though. There are only two or three cards in the entire main set of MKM that can go in the Suspect Matter Commander deck and it’s kind of disappointing because of that. All the other cards in MKM that Suspect opponents’ creatures in Black/Rakdos making them unplayable unless I made it a Mardu deck with Queen Marchesa or the like instead (but that would ultimately be useless if Nelly or Argus Kos from MKM aren’t in the Command Zone for the Suspect Theme). So fun and cool deck, but needs more in color Suspect Support.
Ms.Bumbleflower last is an insanity that I cannot describe. My fiancé has that deck and it rocks us. She’s won with that deck more times than she has lost. That feels uninformed.
Ms. Bumbleflower isn't such a bad deck if you are willing to add cards like Smothering Tithe and Consecrated Sphinx. The alternate commander that comes with that Peace Offering deck is Mr. Foxglove. Then are you are making a totally different deck altogether with fatty creatures and even some equipment cards. Equipment cards like Brotherhood Regalia are playable with both Mr. Foxglove and Dogmeat Ever Loyal.
I think the peace offering deck being last is kind of fitting because the problem with it. It's not bumbleflower, it's actually the duck construction as a whole bumbleflour is just fucking goated, so is perch protection
I guess the problem with that peace offering deck is how it is built not so much the cards they stuck in it. Just looking at the list it seems like they are at least 30-40 playable cards not including the land. I bought that precostructed deck not realizing how much I would have to spend upgrading the deck. There are so many good cheap $3-$5 rares like Kami of the Crescent Moon, Wedding Ring, and Ghostly Prison which fit perfectly into a Ms. Bumbleflower deck.
@Klingonmastr the thing with miss bumbleflower is the thing she wants to do is play two cards on your turn.and Play two cards on each opponents turn. the cards that they give you are relatively expensive mana wise to do just that.
Its almost bait to call Mrs. Bumbleflower last, I added like 10-15 cards to this deck and she has just not lost. I am everyone's worst enemy when I get the Mrs. Bumblefower to work
Im surprised you rated Omo so high considering that deck essentially folds to 3-4 removal spells on Omo and was more of a value reprint pile moreso than a deck.
Ms.Bumbleflower is my favorite 2024 commander.
Straight up. I actually kept the in tact percon around in case there was a new player or a pod where I was hopelessly outclassed.
Changed out some cards but tried to preserve the card donation theme but it pivots a little harder
Yeah the only precon i pull out to play at nearly every table. I feel like it fits into so many games.
Not going to lie, as soon as I saw Peace Offering as last, I knew this list wasn't for me. Saved me an hour and a half, I guess.
I’m BIG MAD about Ms bumbleflower being last.
same, she's my only undefeated deck left lol
@@Brian-nd5foundefeated.. and I'm the queen of England
I don’t even wanna watch anymore after seeing this
She’s a cool commander but the precon was pretty bad. I built her and kept like 7 cards from the pre-con.
@@MCKICKZthe queen of England is an egg?
Oh yeah,i am here for the Peace Offering hate. .how dare you???
But i am a big bunny, i still like you...
I remember being surprised the first time they ranked Endless Punishment low (as was everyone else), and they double down again. That deck is a terror to play against, and also very fun to play.
Its ok if your playgroup doesn't target commanders. If Valgavoth dies on the spot once, the deck crumbles.
@@topiask5315 especially okay in playgroups where the players barely use mulligan.
It’s a fun deck but you will not survive everyone will target you. Once upgraded it is better
The deck is mediocre and extremely overpriced. Literally every other duskmourn deck smokes it.
It's a trash precon with awesome individual cards. But as a deck, it's waaaay too slow. And it's powerful fun cards are too annoying. This causes you to never have many creatures out. And make the table target you the moment you do something cool. Commander, and all the other awesome cards get removed fast or you're forced to block with them because you have no other creatures.
Endless punishment has literally stomped my playgroup a few times. a couple not upgraded and some upgraded. the deck is way more powerful than they let on.
Good to hear, I look forward to playing it in three years when Amazon ships it finally
I agree few upgrades and power
@cameronbustos6059 this is my playgroups least favorite deck and I only pull it out when I want a win.
@@greggsplaylist I literally just got done playing it at my LGS. I upgraded the shit out of it and it's insane. It's known as the " Pay to play " deck lmao.
Yeah my group lost 3 games in a row against that one. Ugh
Also, the Science precon from FallOut should have been last place. It has 0 win ability unless you swap Dr. Li out for Prime
lol that deck is so bad it’s the only precon i’ve completely taken apart and now any decent card from it is in satya energy deck 🫡
Prime is worse..😂😂😂
At least they made a deck with commanders from fallout that everybody wanted like random doctor chick and the dog 🤦♂️
@@MCKICKZ prime is not great, but can at least close out the game with commander damage
It's super scuffed out of the box but Dr. Madison Li is rather good once you've got some better artifacts in there to reanimate and better energy producers.
Desert bloom upgraded is my highest win percentage deck I’ve got. It’s actually crazy how consistent I’ve got it now
Y'all trip'n Deep Clue Sea is the MVP of 2024, definitely better than Science the worst precon I've ever played.
Morska is so underrated I love my clue deck
Deep Clue Sea is my guilty pleasure, I love the precon so much. Morska seem deceptively weak until she's 12/13 and kilss someone on commander damage. And inevitability of this deck is just great, clues are the best tokens.
Agreed but I swapped out for Sophia and leaned into dogs and it is an absolute menace.
I feel like everyone heavily underrated the Zimone jump scare deck when it was released, and even now it's still underrated. My brother got it and it's one of the most ridiculous decks I've played against. It's easily #1 imo.
Simic precon forever #1 😅
I made a 30 card upgrade to Jump Scare and, uh.... Yeah.
I've pulled ALL my 29 basics as early as turn 8 cause all my upgrades let me pull lands fast & scare the table with many, many mana sources. 😈
Yeah. People legitimately didn't care about it. Having built a morph, and a big green seperately.. that decks was like a fast version of both. Its deadly and unpredicatable.. and fast!
The crazy thing is that the deck has an infinite combo within it by chance, Zimone, Yedora, and Sakura Tribe Elder with anything does the work
I love that Mia mentioned Duskana in the Deadly Disguise precon. I just bought the deck to take apart and build a Naya 2/2 “Bears” deck which includes a lot of Bear payoffs. Duskana is one of my 3 favorite Commander decks, 3rd to my Kudo, King Among Bears Enchantress deck and my Lumra, Bellow of the Woods lands deck
Love this kind of content. Post hype assessment of these decks is super helpful for players who are only picking up a couple of precons in a year.
One thing I would like to see is the plus/minus data of each decks contents relative to the averages mentioned in the intro
Caesar was my first deck (and when I started playing magic). It has turned into my "pet deck" that I constantly fiddle with and try and get better. I've rebuilt it a couple of times over the last 6 months. Happy to see it up there.
Caesar the #1 deck? Sorry but can't agree with that at all. I tried a lot to make this deck work because I liked the commander, but it's just to weak in my opinion.
Yeah I'm really surprised too. For every Ruinious Ultimatum and Morbid Opportunist in the deck there was garbage like Nipton Lottery and Mr House. Fun fact: only 1 other card in the deck except for House cares about rolling dice, and it's a crappy bobblehead.
@TrisaaruAlso the manabase of the Caesar deck is just ludicrously bad. Mrs. Bumbleflower is a thousand times a better deck
Caesar is a very strong commander and the deck around him is decent. I am not so sure about #1, but he deserves a high ranking.
I took the bobble heads and Mr house out and replaced them with cards like Purphoros, god of the forge, Ojer Taq, Deepest Foundation, in shield and Anim Pakal, thousandth moon. The Deck is HARSH with Caesar flinging that commander damage. Wins me a ton of games
I'm surprised Mirko wasn't closer to #1
Science and creative energy mixed together actually slaps. People doubted that it would be a problem until all my tokens became copies of sharding sphinx and yeah wonderful way to slap a table out of no where
Winter is great. Milling and recursion is a great way to get around the inconsistency inherent in commander, letting you play with a second hand while your opponents have to play with what they draw.
The deck slows down a lot when winter is removed, since you’ll have to wait two turn to mill more. And there’s not too much recursion in the 99. But it’s a strong and fun precon
Beezy I was starstruck when I met you today at Pax in Philly. “Hey I know you from youtube”. Felt so embarrassed, but it was an honor to meet you!
Mia sounds like she's in a stadium
Bello with a few upgrades has turned into a kill Bello on sight commander in my play group.
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Did they even read Bello? She said the enchantments were vulnerable to creature removal during your turn…did she miss where it says “indestructible?”
@@arch0096that’s what I’m saying I was like ??? That was such a weak argument as more people play things that destroy stuff rather than exile. Not everyone is gonna have a farewell in their deck or always have Path to Exile. They worry about removal so much in videos and analytics nowadays that they forget that it’s kinda more common to not have an out than to have one.
I'm with you here, Bello is kill on sight in my group now. Out of the box, my highest winrates of any precon ever were with Bello and Valgavoth (unupgraded; upgraded my caesar deck still holds that spot) I feel like the pilot makes a huge difference. Both of these decks are archenemies but you need to sandbag and be careful not to pop off and mark yourself as the enemy. My guess is they get targeted hard when playing these decks and aren;t used to being the problem player and taking the heat, so they marked them lower even though they are by far in the top 10 maybe even top 5
"With a few upgrades" isn't the precon now innit
Omo was my favorite for sure. It really is a very unique deck and every time I’ve played it I’ve had essentially a different game plan. Between making tons of mana with the Locus and Urza Lands to dump into X spells, playing Dark Depths + one of the many ways to copy it, or just getting all the big creatures onto the board, Omo has been very fun and kept an identity that stands out among other Simic decks.
I really am shocked by how unpopular winter is. I think people need to think of it less like meren and much more like khaalia from the graveyard. I changed out about 20 cards with just random stuff I had around and it instantly became one of my strongest and most fun decks
Every game I've played where someone played the Peace Offering precon, it won... so yeah, definitely the weakest!
The local GS did a Precon tournament, bellow recked house. The super solid piece (at least against other precons) is Bellows board is nearly biard wipe propf as the creatures return to much harder to remove enchantments and artifacts
I love Death Toll, and you can upgrade the deck a lot of ways. I'm going through a full mill + reanimator engime with tons of creatures, some cards from Warhammer and stupid Syr Konrad shenanigans with Living Death and boardwipes, or just trying to get advantage reanimating crap and finishing via Overwhelming Stampide. This deck also has an insane with Valgavoth, Terror Eater synergy since this creature doesn't affect your graveyard at all. I pulled my favorite MTG play of the year playing a Culling Ritual + the right side from Walk-in-Closet//Forgotten Cellar room, having like 28 mana for playing anything in my absurdly automilled massive graveyard. Reanimating any permanent from your graveyard is insane, giving you peace of mind when you mill your wincons.
I also got stomped against a brand new out of the box Jump Scare precon today since I took very bad choices in my initial hand and the pod did terrible choices with their removal. Also a really great deck, with tons of potential.
Was this video premature? The "20 ways to win" secret lair commander deck mat give peaceful offering a run for its money at the bottom. Maybe it will hit the bottom of mext years list.
The art is amazing, but having cards for 20 different gameplans in one deck is wild haha
There are some fun shenanigans with Void Attendant. Someone is playing Prosper, Tome-Bound jam those exiled cards into their graveyard before they can use them. Messing up your opponents cards in exile is pretty strong and not a common effect.
Need a "Best 24 cards of 2024" video in my veins! Also, real money tax dollars!
It should be coming soon 👀
everyone crying over their precon that is heavily upgraded being low when they probably played like 3 games max before upgrades
God there is never a precon i would want to play stock out the box. When they all had 20-30 cards you can cut without having to think, thats not my idea of a fun deck to play
Except I've played standard Grand Larceny and it's just bad. You cannot steal enough to make it worthwhile and you don't have strong enough creatures to defend yourself well. It's way to high on that list tbh
Mirko slaps. Once you trim the fat and add some more streamlined cards to the deck to help refill your hand or surveil it's so much fun.
I heavily upgraded Mirko and man, he's sucha good commander for reanimating 0 power creatures. Turn 2 buried alive into corpse double, valagavoth and the other guy that can copy legendary creatures, turn 3 mirko reanimating corpse double is just insane. And he can voltron too pretty easily. Such a blast to play that deck
@victorperezurbano9504 You don't even need to upgrade the creatures that much to pack a punch. The decks comes with some pretty solid creatures to reanimate, and has great surveil engines like Dogged Detective. Pretty much any high power black or blue creature can fit in the deck nicely.
I changed Ms. Bumbleflower to a give a "gift"-deck with bunnies, frogs, and birds. It's very effective with all the talent-enchantments and still a nice group hug.
That’s a cool theme!
I actually only got into Commander this year, jammed Family Matters and Creative Energy, loved both, bought upgrades... then I tried out Death Toll and Miracle Worker. Quickly swapped to Master of Keys but I think I'm a graveyard player now. Milling myself is just bizarrely exciting.
But a common trend I think is a love for flexible toolbox build around commanders. Winter is awesome because be reanimates ANY permanent. I can be sweaty with my Nesting Grounds and I certainly do, but I don't feel like I just NEED to get rid of these counters to get my value. I already got it when I did the thing. Moving counters is secondary removal and politicking, and its so funny that if someone blows up Nesting Grounds, okay cool well I have it back now? Zinnia and Keys both slap a keyword onto cards that don't get it. I liked Aminatou but not her tempo, but still appreciated what she did for enchantments.
I appreciate your ratings of the 2024 Precons. I preordered these precons from myLGS and paid only $32.50 for most of them. Hail Caesar is a pretty powerful deck. With some upgrades it will be sooo good. One of my favorites is Tricky Terrain. Thank you Mia and Beezy for the video.
Caesar was my first commander deck and I’ve upgraded it to a state where I love everything about it. Amazing fun out of the box too, love that yall agree. Such a sick deck
Finally some love for Death Toll! This deck was great out of the box!
I really didn’t love the precon themes this year. Felt overly specific/gimmicky for most of them. They felt stronger than average compared to previous years for sure but it just felt too narrow of strategies to make me really interested in upgrading
I think they made them more specific and stronger to make it easier for newer players to get invested. I'll admit that I don't necessarily like it though, especially considering that finding those random legends that make no sense in the deck was one of my favorite past times
I think bello is quite versatile. You can go many different routes with it, since it works with enchantments and/or artifacts. Was the only deck I invested into and it’s a beast.
Zimone looked promising, however I upgraded it quite a bit to get it where I wanted.
The rest? Nothing excited me too much.
I think last years precons were better overall tbh but this year had some bangers for sure.
I think Bumbleflower was a great base, you just have to cut ~10-15 cards and replace them with more instances and draw... It was real cheap to upgrade and I've had a blast so far
Death Toll is so good and so fun to play and so easy to upgrade that I bought two copies so I could build both Winter and Rendmaw. They are two of my favorite decks.
its bad
Meren is simply way better. I think it was the worst of the bunch
The Gameplay for winter is not the same as Meren one, Winter is not looking for combo, just want you to mill you and cheat on play value permanents to control your opponents boards and surpass them@@skulletorable
To my knowledge, and I can’t find any rules that disagree, but ulalek does indeed copy all spells on the stack, not just the eldrazi spell so you can cast instants to be copied
I saw him say that..that’s why I love it because you can do broken combos like that
The point is that the trigger goes on the stack when you cast the Eldrazi spell and there is no way to actually can't any instants in between the Eldrazi spell and the trigger going on the stack. If you have any other "on cast" triggers you can copy them if you set the stack correctly but there's no way to add any more spells to copy.
I played Revenant Recon unmodified against a couple friends a little while back. They built their own casual commander decks - both pretty good players. I absolutely bullied them. That deck can really go off.
this was my first deck ever 2 months ago, i upgraded to Scarab God Mill Reanimator and is so sweet
@@Lucamdb2 Funny, I started playing a bit over a year ago and my first deck was a Scarab God deck my friend built and loaned to me. I'm working on building it myself. Mostly switched to mono-Black. Playing Tergrid and a variant that's discard focused with Tinybones, Trinket Thief.
I’m just happy Dogmeat got that high. Most people dont see his value next to the other precons and I’m glad he’s getting some love. Plus I once closed out a game with Ian, and there are other creatures that are game Enders with enough equipment
good production i see you put extra effort in. well done crazy lads
Caesar was my first Commander Deck and I couldn't agree more. I was able to win many rounds with it straight of the box. Upgraded it obviously got even better. Super powerful.
Thanks I was looking for a video like this!
Happy we could get it to you!
That Zimone combo also gives you infinite green mana when you tap Steve before flipping it up with Zimone since it comes back as a forest land 😎
The sewer tunnel microphone is strong with this one
Deep Clue Sea at 17!? Nonsense. That deck is *so* strong. I've made minor upgrades and put the fear of clues in people.
I fast forwarded to the top 3 and was actually shocked to see Hail Caesar at the #1 spot ! This is the deck I bought after doing a tiny bit of research and I’ve since dropped 29 upgrades into the deck. It’s VERY strong now winning me games quite often
“It’s so expensive, get it out of here, this is commander, we want everything for free” - Mia 😂😂😂 best line of 2024 for the show!
Death Toll is my favorite for the year. Won the first time I played it. It's so much fun pulling big stuff out of the graveyard with this.
As somebody who not only got into magic but HUGE into magic this year thanks to the cesear precon. I just wanna say I loved it to death. Great one to learn the game with in my experience
Bello upgraded has been a menace in my playgroup
The random reverb that comes in haha
I've won 95% of my games with satia, it's incredibly strong as a precon.
Creative energy is just too good and always end up being the enemy and still winning
So grateful my local shop doesn’t up price past MSRP so decks like Endless Punishment were only $40!
Endless Punishment is mad good. I’m pretty bad at magic, but was still able to maintain constant threat throughout a game with it. It’s mad good.
I feel like Dr. Madison Lee would have been so much better if she had haste. Everytime she gets shot at and you have to recast her from the command zone you can't really do anything with your absurd amount of energy. She just feels so incredibly clunky.
I personally understand Bumbleflower being last, a friend of mine has never won with it, but pushed everyone else with so much carddraw. It always felt like, yeah you're drawing a little bit more, but my cards I drew because you let me to are much more worth. The thing with grouphug often is, that you don't have these situations where you could have a free win, because your opponent is unlucky in either ramp or gas, because you get them to fix those things.
Let's not forget, that your experience with all these precons doesn't have to directly replicate this ranking. Commander is such a diplomatic format, that factors outside the pure cards are often responsible in someone losing or winning the game, especially when you're playing with friends you know well. So the ranking is interesting and all and I really liked the video, but don't hate the ranking because commander often comes down to more than just these things considered in this ranking.
I managed to find the incursion deck at Target for $75. I can't tell you how fast I grabbed that and kept holding it
What a weirdly ordered list, lmao.
The problem with Peace Offering is that it’s built to give both card draw AND ramp. If you cut out the ramp and replace it with +1/+1 counter synergy, it can become super good. My deck is 60% original precon and undefeated. I think out of the box, it’s not great, but it being last doesn’t make sense.
Omo as a commander is so awesome. The tribal synergy’s are insanely fun when heavily upgraded.
Disorienting choice is literally 4 mana, and tutor your THREE best lands. I bought 20 of them😂
I just bought the winter deck which I am keeping precon so I have something to fight newer players. It is very fun but I think peoples number one gripe is that there are a lot of creatures that get bigger the more creatures you have in your graveyard but you need to exile at least one every time you reanimate.
I got the blame game deck and Anya kinda fits there is a way. You want people to be hitting each other so the life total drops so she can be a pretty cool late game drop.
going to have to agree with the comments, ms bumbleflower is probably the least beginner friendly, but its far from being the worse on the list.
I bought Mutant Menace. I loved playing it the day I got it and it did synergize well for the few exceptions of some weird cards that were not note worthy. I do believe the this should be in the top 10. I can say for certain millage and proliferation is the way to go. Regardless of RAD mechanics or not it actually adds flavor and benefits from using both in this deck. Milling from RADs can still beef up your Mothman and still gain you tons of +1/+1 advantage for your other creatures. From Either rads or +1/+1 counters this is the intended mechanic that I feel is cooler than the poison precon I also brought. My combos are Mesmeric Orb, Mindcrank, Bloodchief Ascension, Altar of the Brood. Combo that with Bristly Bill, Hardened Scales, and other poliferation. Some other notable tech cards are Consuming Aberration, Muldrotha, Vraska Betrayal's Sting, Conduit of Worlds, and Crucible of Worlds. This is a heavily modified deck that I don't often brick on but can always come out top regardless. I have also teched in some draw with Consecrated Sphinx, as well as sharpened my blue spell negation, board wipes, and mana rocks and tutors. All while keeping the flavor and replacing about 20ish cards with some in the 15 sideboard. I do believe all around that this is a fairly good deck to start with and dip your toes into. It can be a very convoluted deck for beginners. Thats the only relative downside I see. I at the time had only put roughly 50$ in singles in this deck. The Sphinx and tutors were traded tor.
I don't know what you guys are smoking with Ms Bumbleflower. I have her as the 2nd most powerful precon this year behind only Stella Lee. She's extremely powerful and precon slaps. I'm assuming you guys just dislike the group hug playstyle which is fair but at my LGS Bumbleflower is absolutely cleaning up vs other precons. The fact that you have her last and for some reason the Science energy precon from Fallout is crazy to me.
Edit: Oh. Wait. Did I just get engage baited to help the algorithm? Booooo
These rankings...Man. Out of the box Bello is pretty spicy. My groups have a good mix of out of the box precons, upgraded precons, and full builds and Bello has gone off more times than I can count.
I do agree about Desert Bloom. It can take time to build up to a win and sometimes my land sacrifice, land recursion, and land payoffs don't line up at the right time (the feast and famine you were talking about). When it does though.... my goodness. It has a great win rate for me. Zuran Orb and Aura Fracture (sacrifice a land to destroy enchantment) have overperformed.
Endless punishment: chaos warp, red elemental blast, pyroblast, tibalt trickery, untimely manoeuvers, helm of obedience, memory jar+élixir of immortality+sack outlet ...
Confirming, Graveyard Overdrive is awesome when upgraded!
I turned Death toll into a grist deck and I'm loving it!
I combined the two energy decks and it's pretty solid
Concerning ponder and miracle worker. Isn't the idea to place the miracle card you want in the second spot (third spot if you're thinking you might instant speed draw during an opponents turn) ? I feel like it can still be used in the deck. I'm making a case because I love the artwork that specific to this precon lol
You want to instant speed draw in an opponents turns- you get to Miracle and cheat out more cards
I have absolutely ROLLED tables with animated army
Don't think of satya as an energy commander, he's an aggro deck who wants ETBs and Death triggers
Zinnia has definitely earned a spot upon my favorite commanders, just think agate instigator, elesh norn mother of machines, and a token creator like whirler rogue, talk about 1 shotting the whole table at once!
Great video! Thanks!
I think quick draw is easily the best precon, just 10 dollars and you have a very powerful deck
My favourite precon of 2024 is Mr. trash panda Bello! I switched about 7 cards and its always crazy strong!
3:39 why is Mia speaking telepathically?
Even though ms bumble is my favorite commander this year, i definitely agree with the reasoning behind it that beezy said. Shes great with upgrades, really fun, just the precon itself doesnt really get there unless your really good at politicing (they didnt mention politicing but its how i won with her when my friends and i did a bloomburrow precon brawl)
🎉 great video.
always my favorite of the year
ok i love you guys but an HOUR AND A HALF LONG VIDEO? y’all better start making these available as a podcast soon
I actually really love the Nelly Borca Precon a lot. They really should have made more Suspect Matters cards in the main set though. There are only two or three cards in the entire main set of MKM that can go in the Suspect Matter Commander deck and it’s kind of disappointing because of that. All the other cards in MKM that Suspect opponents’ creatures in Black/Rakdos making them unplayable unless I made it a Mardu deck with Queen Marchesa or the like instead (but that would ultimately be useless if Nelly or Argus Kos from MKM aren’t in the Command Zone for the Suspect Theme). So fun and cool deck, but needs more in color Suspect Support.
Ms.Bumbleflower last is an insanity that I cannot describe. My fiancé has that deck and it rocks us. She’s won with that deck more times than she has lost. That feels uninformed.
Ms. Bumbleflower isn't such a bad deck if you are willing to add cards like Smothering Tithe and Consecrated Sphinx. The alternate commander that comes with that Peace Offering deck is Mr. Foxglove. Then are you are making a totally different deck altogether with fatty creatures and even some equipment cards. Equipment cards like Brotherhood Regalia are playable with both Mr. Foxglove and Dogmeat Ever Loyal.
Great video you two!
AN HOUR AND A HALF! Let’s gooo!
It’s a big one!
I think the peace offering deck being last is kind of fitting because the problem with it. It's not bumbleflower, it's actually the duck construction as a whole bumbleflour is just fucking goated, so is perch protection
I guess the problem with that peace offering deck is how it is built not so much the cards they stuck in it. Just looking at the list it seems like they are at least 30-40 playable cards not including the land. I bought that precostructed deck not realizing how much I would have to spend upgrading the deck. There are so many good cheap $3-$5 rares like Kami of the Crescent Moon, Wedding Ring, and Ghostly Prison which fit perfectly into a Ms. Bumbleflower deck.
@Klingonmastr the thing with miss bumbleflower is the thing she wants to do is play two cards on your turn.and Play two cards on each opponents turn. the cards that they give you are relatively expensive mana wise to do just that.
Noticed Mia's voice is cutting into Beezy's mic 🙂
Its almost bait to call Mrs. Bumbleflower last, I added like 10-15 cards to this deck and she has just not lost. I am everyone's worst enemy when I get the Mrs. Bumblefower to work
I built Caesar as aristocrats. It absolutely rips but draws a lot of hate.
Im surprised you rated Omo so high considering that deck essentially folds to 3-4 removal spells on Omo and was more of a value reprint pile moreso than a deck.
Video Idea: Take the top ten and retool them to remove some of the dead cards.
There's a dude in my pod who destroys with bumbleflower.
Is it just me or is the audio echoing
What the hecks are these takes man
Opinions 😉
Great video, but Satya is BROKEN. It literally has like 2-3 infinites lmaooo
I built a room deck with Mirko but now its basically rooms “exodia”
Ms bumble flower is my favourite commander from this year
Zimone needs that ixildor reality sculptor mirage or legion wizard i believe.
I invested ALOT into my aminatou deck, made it pretty high power and its so fun to play.. looking for a NM serra's sanctum now 🤪