Robin, I'm not a huge fan of Skip Bayless, but I was shockingly surprised that he directly on his podcast confronts Sheila Johnson & calls out her racism!!!
People will have to acknowledge (though I doubt any will ever do it publicly) & realize those trolls & bots were never CC fans when Fever's games continue to sell out & they are still getting million + viewership for their games next summer. 2025 Fever tickets are already the most expensive in the league & there are 10 games for next season that already show limited seating available & they just started selling single tickets yesterday. So the BS about these people being part of CC's fans base is just ridiculous.
How about a list of all the "Fans" that "apparently" gave Caitlin the flick!... did Caitlin actually lose any Fans, or, were the haters simply making out that they were disgruntled fans?. Personally i don't think Caitlin lost any of her Fan base, i think that her Fan numbers have actually increased!!!
That's nonsense; I played high school sports on state championship teams; it's ludicrous to pretend that blacks haven't been our heros for decades, Clark being poked in the eye by Dejonaise was a criminal act, for her to pretend that that was an accident was a disservice, to pretend that the issue with what's been going on with her was caused by race and not simply by the LGBTQ society is another disservice, parents don't want their kids subjected to all of this, Clark wants to identify with her abusers, good luck to her but responsible parents aren't going to bend the knee to let their kids be slapped around❤, we were on the verge of leaving this rodeo she put us right back in it.
Two questions maybe you can address, has anybody else in the WNBA had any privilege and are they expected to acknowledge it? For example, does any player coming from UCONN have privilege or does any player that is 6’ 4” tall have privilege? There are all kinds of privileges, the fact that they are solely focused on whiteness should tell you where the real problem is.
How about we just give it a rest? A few hundred trolls on the Internet is not even a blip on the CC fan radar. Anyone with half a functioning brain knows what she was saying and knows this honor was more than well-deserved.
3 points you make which I think hit bull’s eye: 1) Sue’s point that race doesn’t put the ball in; 2) The tidal wave change seen by the WNBA this year requires a 360 analysis, even if we can readily identify CC as the most major factor. Just like in an FAA crash investigation, there are contributing factors in the picture too; 3) Your mention of CC as “America’s Sweetheart” and the incidental effects of this situation on how viewers perceive the game. It’s the first time I hear this expression used about CC, and it rings very true to my ears: what we know of CC’s core values is very much aligned with that of America’s heartland. It’s no wonder then that new spectators, unfamiliar with the WNBA style of playing, would emote on seeing their “protegee” given a bit of roughness during a game. That factor would move the convo out of the race rut, and more into the way players’ and spectators’ respective core values intersect or diverge, as well as about the natural process of new viewers having to familiarize themselves with the WNBA playbook.
Bird is wrong about whether fans would be as upset about the eye poke if CC was black. Yes. Fans are going to be upset when a player pokes their favorite player in the eye. And too many miss that a big part of the outrage was because it was just another example of the bigger issue of the overly aggressive play in the WNBA & the horrible refereeing that allows it. Candace Parker is an example. The Sparks v. Shocks brawl is infamous for that very reason. There are many stories about fans being outraged at the treatment Candace Parker received her rookie year. Parker's had a big fanbase & lots of attention coming into the WNBA back in 2008. Parker's rookie debut in the WNBA was the only game to get 1 million+ viewers since 2001 (until this year of course). But that big fanbase didn't stick around & I honestly think it was due to the overly aggressive play she received.
Dijonai Carrington stopped CC during the first game of the finals thru a dirty play by poking her in the eye CC was off during the whole game as a result. It’s not because she created a new special CC defence. CC played way better during the 2nd game because she was not impaired by someone poking her in the eye.
I dont recall her saying that she had white privilege in this because she know she balled out but she acknowledges that it exists in the W and she want to change that to merit
Yesssssss,damn,you hit it on the head, people just running with this who are not fully understanding what Caitlin was really saying,I like your comment
I feel that she is seeing like an america sweetheart because what she did on college and she came with all her fan base because of her mad basketball skills and her professionalism on and off the court .
I really don’t like Sue Bird commentating but she is correct about putting the basketball in the hoop. If Bird would have just stop there at that statement it would have been perfect. Just stick with that fact. People continue to get wrapped up in all this opinionated dialogue and it’s not needed. It’s pretty simple. It’s about putting the basketball in the hoop. That’s what we came to watch. We want to see skill, great basketball and winning. Basketball is an entertainment venue. Their goal is to win a championship Pretty simple 🌺
Have you questioned yourself why you didn’t like Sue Bird commenting? The problem with this discussion is the lack of acknowledgement that there is a problem. Problems can only be solved when you acknowledge the fact that there is a problem. Once that is established you can take the next step of identifying the stakeholders. Then take note of all the issues and determine which issues to address and which ones you won’t. Finally you can look for possible solutions and implement them.
I'm greatful that Sue Byrd has acknowledged what CC has done for Women's Basketball 🏀 & has shown her support, as a former WNBA player‼️ CC deserves acknowledgment & recognition she's receiving, for what's she's done for women's basketball period ‼️
@@mhfs61media and commentators feed the drama for ratings. Everyone that has a channel or that’s on TV has talked about this issue and it really isn’t an issue if you stick with basketball and what it really is. You don’t have to put up with all this drama.
@@mhfs61I wholeheartedly agree, BUT, then there needs 2b an acknowledgement of racism in BOTH ways!!! I'd say, I think, BUT in all honesty, I KNOW, many of Clark's fans, including & perhaps ESP her black fans, who've expressed anger & hurt when they've simply ALL bin labelled as racist & assumed 2 ALL be white?!! And at times, have bin flat out told, they/we are not wanted!! 1 of the Owners of the Atlanta Dream {a former WNBA player} came out on a podcast in August & frankly said, she didn't want Clark's fans, offending not only her white fans, but MORESO her black fans, ESP those new to the W, living in Atlanta!!!! Talk about being tone deaf?! Society as a whole is 1 thing, but the WNBA, also, has it's own subculture!!! And in that subculture, there is racism. It's also prevalent, but that too, sadly gets overlooked, downplayed & IT'S NOT acknowledged! This became most evident in Mystic's owner, Sheila Johnson's reaction & response about CC being named "Athlete of The Year"?! Ironically, she just brazenly revealed, the underlying current that's there, & has bin there, ever since CC came into the league!!! I want 2 add just 1 thing. A lot of ppl don't care!!! They c b-ball & the W as sport & as entertainment & that's it!!! They see it as their entertainment & escape & that's all they want! And they resent it when others continue to make it about more?! That is also just reality.
Yeah about Tiger...there were golf courses in the country where they had to change the rules to allow a black player to play there. Most of us are intentionally not racist. We don't know how many people actually are racist. And you can't discount that she is America's sweetheart partly because she dominated where we were less represented. It isn't a big deal to acknowledge that. The racism voices sound louder than those whose aren't but damn I have heard so many people LUMP THE ENTIRE LEAGUE as worthless before CC. So many times in the comments. Like oh the LEAGUE is jealous. Then get mad when some of them players say the fan base is unreasonable and yes, see it as racist. To me to complain about 144 players and shit on them is a bigger problem than some people saying, "hey, we have always had talent here." They are right. there always has been talent. That said CC is why I watched initially. But they aren't wrong. The wrong people here are the ones who say she doesn't need the league. Ok. Without a league, she is just another person who rocked in college. It is what you call "symbiotic."
If caitlin clark had said what she said the way sue bird twisted it i dont think people would have had as big a problem but what she actually said was i WANT to say that ive earned this BUT their is privelage which definitely sounded like she was diminishing herself. people arent racist for being dissapointed its not racist to just want to see someone whos absolutely earned everything with hard work not be berated into not giving herself the credit she deserves
I'm an Aussie admirer of CC and her basketball, as a former ref I can't believe the appalling umpiring and bias, I wasn't pleased with CC acceptance rhetoric and suckholing to the "sisters" and she will pay a price for apologising for her whiteness, her "impact" on the WNBA is nothing short of tremendous and more power to her.
I AM a Caitlin Clark fan who watches her games! I clearly do not agree with all of her opinions, but it wasn't her opinions that brought me to her game. So, I will continue to support her game and watch as often as possible. My only "issue" is her talking about "white privilege". Somebody needs to help me understand how Caitlin Clark was "given" anything because she was white. Make THAT make sense to us all and we may not be so frustrated with that talking point. It is just disappointing to have someone that clearly worked hard to get everything she got on the court "seemingly" attribute any part of it to her skin color!
Look, all I can say is that she is trying to diffuse the garbage and the static surrounding her. Most Iowans do not care about black, white, Asian or maybe being even polka dot in color. What matters for the vast majority of Iowans is the makeup of the person, you treat me right, I'll treat you right... She's just stating what she believes, wouldn't it be sweet if peeps just accepted that and enjoyed her God Given Talent and drive??
Where did being white of CC had privelege? Do WNBA isolate "white players" because the league was built for black women? When Sue Bird was playing, did she have a "fanbase" like CC? Did Sue Bird moved the needle? Did Sheryl Swoopes, being black, moved the needle? The ONLY reason CC is sooo popular and being followed by millions of Fans, because she plays well, she plays exciting, she is passionate, and she was able to elevate her team mates along with her. Plus parents with children who loves sports, see CC the role model their children should emulate, no drama, just confidence and passion.
Hidalgo is definitely an early front runner and outshone Paige in the ND-UConn game, but watching Paige slay against Iowa State last night, I'm back to thinking she's the best collegiate player in the country.
What makes a player popular is more complex than just black and white. Yes, maybe Tiger being mixed race in a mostly White sport had something to do with his popularity. Of course, you have to be very good too. I think media and pundits declaring who are the big stars hurt the popularity of those players. Fans want to feel they sort of discovered a player before he/she are real popular. I think Hannah has a big edge over Paige and JuJu as far as becoming super popular. We kind of like the underdog. A player form a flyover Midwestern state lifting her college team to final four is a story we like. Players from UConn or USC, meh, I don't think it's the right story. A team beating those two will definitely get people excited.
Here is just one of the many things that would have helped to make, e.g., A’ja Wilson into as big a star as Caitlin Clark. Get a distinctive, signature move. Something for the RUclips shorts , to tell everybody who you are! A few layups won’t do it. Catch-and-shoot midrange shots won’t compete with Clark’s logo threes. Blocks are useful, but defense is not as exciting as offense. A Kareem-style skyhook might help. But a slam dunk would have been even better (That’s why they said, rightly or wrongly, to lower the rims! To benefit you, A’ja, not Caitlin or Sabrina!) It’s also interesting how the white players that are famous all have a similar mold: they are the type of player that Sue Bird described herself in this video as the players who “determine a team’s identity.”They are the are guards, usually athletic point guards, prolific at passing and scoring at multiple levels. They have records: Sabrina’s record triple doubles in college, Plum’s points record, which Caitlin broke, etc. This prolific passing and scoring is what enables them to have such a huge influence on games, the way a quarterback is so influential in football. They are the people you want to have the ball in their hands, as opposed to players who just score or just pass, or can hit threes but can’t go to the rim. If Chelsea Gray had Kelsey Mitchell’s, scoring, or even just Jordon Canada’s athleticism, the combined player would probably have the same kind of fame as Sabrina or Plum, though there are undoubtedly other, less important factors like personality, looks, TV market size, etc. It would be such a pity if Hannah Hidalgo wasn’t able to get that kind of fame, based on non-basketball reasons.
BS, she got screwed because of her incompetent agent! A’ja and even Paige has a better shoe deal than Caitlin! She got hosed and needs to get a better agent and head over to Under Armour!
Although I only became interested in the WNBA after I discovered the Game play wizardry of Caitlin about 8 months ago, one voice that repeatedly caught my attention as someone that is extremely knowledgable of the sport and seems completely unbiased was the voice of Sue Bird. In this video I can not agree with you more, Robin and Sue Bird on all points made here! Well done!
The WNBA should declare itself the “Sports League of the Year” (or at least the Off-Season) and then rest silently on such laurels until we can finally return our focus to the only thing that matters - The Game.
You may be kinda right about the americas sweetheart thing. But, I'm not so sure its overprotective because of it. Fans of a particular player, are always overprotective. James fans or Curry fans are always jumping and yelling, Jordan fans refuse to believe that he pushed off Russell. It's part of fandom. Perhaps the excessiveness of it is just a result of how much larger her fan base is.
It doesn't matter if Diana Sabrina Sue Briana Kelsey as long that they are not the face of the league and as long that they don't have a lot of fans they will be good with it
race won't take you to the top might keep you off the bottom. And there is not really white privilege it is were tribal people and have preference for our own tribe but can like the other tribe to.
2:08: Why is it showing they were never here for basketball? Because they also have opinions? Are they not allowed to express them? If Caitlin Clark can recite woke dictated slogans and not be accused of not being in the WNBA for basketball, her fans can address the same issues as well.
I think you are being a bit misleading, if not disingenuous, with Carrington in the first game. Clark scored 20, and her teammates were not ready. Her coach was not ready...
There are also other aspects besides race that put Caitlin where she is. She is not an in-your-face type of person. We want to watch sports and enjoy skills, get away from the constant preaching of beliefs and political positions. If a black player with same skills than Caitlin uses this platform to shove down our throats political stances, of course she would not get the same treatment. Caitlin said her piece, now hoop and hope it's the end of it.
Thanks for answering the question if CC was black and nothing else about her was different except her skin color, would her popularity be the same. I agree with you, it’s NO, she wouldn’t have been as popular as she is now if she was a black player. Why you added the fact about “if she was black and then she shoved her political stances down our throats” was kind of concerning. It seemed like you were trying to dodge the question, since you knew everything wouldn’t be the same if CC skin color was black and every other part of her basketball skills and personality was the same.
I gotta give you credit for this one, Robin. Pretty good. I still think you are missing part of the overall issue. But, partially on point is good for you. You get a sticker. You see Sue Bird up here and giving her explanation, and you see her as white, and you see her as a basketball player. So you give her credit for speaking about Clark, because she's those things. But she is talking about a political issue, and she's rather left leaning. No, shock to understand why you agree with her. BUT, when the white, woman, political commentator, Megyn Kelly, discusses the political aspect of what Clark said. You huff and puff, and try to find anyway to discredit her opinion. 'She does not watch basketball...'
I love how everybody just keeps missing the point. White privilege does NOT exist. It's a myth Second, dude, there's no problem elevating the athletes that you like and appreciate. Nobody has a problem with that at all. What Caitlin said is that we should elevate the "black" women who built this league. Meanwhile, did sue bird have nothing to do with it? What about Diana Taurasi? Stop making everything about race. It's simple. It's really simple. That's why people are mad. It's really not that hard to figure it out. Have you ever heard michael jordan say that they needed to elevate the white basketball players that built the league before he came around and took all the glory? No, you didn't. Because nobody was worried about race. They were appreciating the ATHLETE. Can't we just watch and enjoy sports without there being racial politics involved? And don't even try to say that it's the fans or even the "not fans", the players are included in this, as are the media...
Megyn Kelly has the best take I have heard on this topic, which is that when Caitlin proclaims that she has white privilege, when someone really thinks about what is being said, there is just a subtle in-built arrogance and disdain for blacks in that messaging that results in the opposite of the intended effect. What people call "white privilege" is essentially based on two standards. One is physical beauty, because people are just naturally drawn to nice-looking people, and the other is a culture that has been proven to produce pleasant and productive people in society. While a lot of times, whites are seen as being the pinnacle of these two standards, the fact is individuals from all races are able to attain the standard. All races have individuals in them who turn out to be extremely attractive based on having facial features that have been proven to make someone attractive, equal facial thirds, almond-shaped eyes, positive canthal tilt, and the rest of it. Those aren't attributes that are exclusive to the white race only. Anok Yai, the South Sudanese model, is a testament to that fact. That's an actual black woman, and she's a 10. But that one comes down to luck of the draw to some extent and perhaps some careful selection of reproductive mates or eugenics, which everyone seems to be doing these days, whether they want to admit it or not. The second part of it is culture. Here, there is a blueprint that seems to be producing desirable results for people, the most famous of which is being raised in a two-parent home, and many other constituent ingredients of this winning culture, which a lot of blacks who are successful seem to have adopted and produced kids who have gone on to be just as productive and evoke as much admiration around the world as anybody. Condoleeza Rice is a good example, Thomas Sowell is another example, and in sports, Tiger Woods and even Michael Jordan are examples of blacks who are sports icons.
Answer sues question though 😂 if it had been two black girls with an eye poke would anyone in America care? If Aja Wilson got hip checked would it be a big deal? 😂😂 your right it all does need to stop ❤
Some people just don't like to see their favorite player be the target of a dick move by another player and then get ignored by the refs. Race hardly matters unless race is the only card you wanna play...
For all games played in college for Paige, Caitlin, and Hannah H. Career NCAA Averages effective 12/18/24 per ESPN MP FG% 3P% FT% RB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS PB 32.5 53.5 42.2 82.8 4.8 4.5 2.1 0.8 1.9 1.3 19.8 CC 34.8 46.2 37.7 85.8 7.1 8.2 1.5 0.5 4.6 2.2 28.4 HH 36.0 45.4 36.6 79.0 6.3 5.1 4.5 0.1 3.3 2.6 23.2 Paige leads 5 to 4 to 1 in stats, not counting avg. mins. per game. Summary: PB best in FG%, 3P%, BLK, TOV, PF CC best in FT%, RB, AST, PTS HH best in STL
Would Larry Bird be as big if we was black? Probably the better question to ask. Would Tiger Woods be AS big if he were white? Better comparisons imo. Its about the racial anomaly, not the talent. It draws in more viewers. Caitlin would be as good, but I dont think she would have AS many fans if she was black.
Yes and yes, they would both be as big... They were otherworldly talents that were a notch or two above their peers. The fact that in their respective sports their particular race was way underrepresented made them an anomaly. Take away the talent, the anomaly aspect is only of peripheral note. It will always be the talent that gets the ball in the hoop or the cup, yo...
Look at Stephen Curry I've been a warriors fan for 40 years I've watched Steph Curry be the best three-point shooter in the world ever that's ever across the line onto a basketball court Caitlin Clark's better than Stephen Curry because of her passing but when they shoot threes they're identical the way they're only differences is Caitlin Clark's a better passer
@@TyLeeper-r1e Fuzzy Zoeller was complementing how good Tiger was in front of a whole group of reporters with camera!!!!! Then slipped in a bad joke about food. It wasn't even directed *AT* Tiger. WTH makes "racists" comment in front of a dozen reporter?
BIRD SAYS A POSITIVE THING ABOUT CLARK ONE MINUTE, THEN ITS NEGATIVE ,SHE HAS NO PROBLEM HYPING UP HANNAH, SHE WOULD VOTE FOR HER NOW FOR PLAYER OF THE YEAR ,REALLY ,A GUARD IS AN IMPORTANT ROLE , HELLO , CLARK IS THE ONE TRUE GUARD , CAN YOU NOT SEE THE HYPOCRISY,WHERE WAS HER SUPPORT FOR CLARK , ITS BS ,ITS UP TO THE LISTENER TO WORK IT OUT FOR THEMSELVES, CLARK LOST NO FANS , IF YOU WATCH NEXT SEASON , YOU WILL SEE CLARK GET MORE FANS ,SURPRISED AT YOU ROBIN,
Surely, you're aware that Hannah plays in the NCAA while Caitlin Clark is now in the WNBA. How, then, is Sue supporting Hannah for 'NCAA Player of the Year' a slight against Caitlin? Caitlin has graduated and is no longer eligible for collegiate awards. Each year brings a new NCAA Player of the Year-those awards didn’t cease to exist simply because Caitlin broke so many records during her college career.
Caitlin Clark clearly said she deserves everything she has now and that she has White privilege. What she meant was Stephanie White privilege not white color privilege!
Caitlin White Privilege Clark lost some fan base not much. I was a big fan took my kids 200 miles on road trip just to see her play it was great trip and watched every fever game! I'M no longer her fan because she SUPER WOKE! I'll never watch a WNBA game again!
You keep naming male black or half blacked players that actually won Championships in their sport. Show me a black female basketball players that’s never won at any level that was given this kind of praise, promotion and push?
She's only 1 a 5star all average. They bet all the best team except in championship. When they reach their they are tired. If they have 5 days rest in championship they won. SC and LSU is really a stacked team and bracket they are in during sweet 16 are all great and stacked too.
I'm sorry, but this is where you are ignorant! Caitlin C has won 3 World Championships!!! 🌎 She's been in 3 consecutive World Cups!!! And has 3 gold medals 🥇🥇🥇 to show for it. In the last World Cup, Clark was named the MVP‼️ Clark also broke the NCAA Scoring Record 4 both women & men's College b-ball. On March 2024 Clark broke Pete Maravich's long-standing record‼️ I'm from & live in Canada 🇨🇦 & this was in our National News, the CBC‼️ I think many Americans are pretty clueless at how Clark has become a global phenomenon! No oth woman b-ball player has been in our National News as Clark has, since last March. As a result of breaking the NCAA scoring records last Spring, CC became the 1st woman to win the ESPY for BEST RECORD--BREAKING PERFORMANCE, 2024‼️ On April 2/24 for the 2nd consecutive yr, Clark won the Wooden Award/Trophy 🏆 🏆 4 being #1 Outstanding B-ball player Nationally‼️ And globally, Clark's impact has ranked her in top 4 of athletes from the U.S. #1) being Le Bron James 2) Steph Curry 3) Tiger Woods & 4) Caitlin Clark
@ High School or college, Fiba and Olympics teams are stacked. Show me where she’s won a higher school state championship or a National Championship in college. With your logic u would wait until Team USA has the Olympics and stacks a team and she wins with them. I don’t care about any records, people had that record before her, I don’t remember the same push and constant promotion of them, thing globs; about Clark, yes she gets stats but it only results in her awards and never uplifts a team when it matters most, and that won’t change. Clark was in national news after she loss the Championship and that’s the problem, usually. Ha,pions are praised, just like the White House wanted to invite the losing team, tell me when has a loser ever been invited to the White House? That ends the discussion right there
@ Bro once in college and in the Championship game against LSU, Iowa was the only team that had 2 College All-Americans in Czinano and Clark, while Reese was the only one on her team. LSU was unranked in the preseason, while Iowa was top 5 and the favorite,nobody had LSU winning anything that year but Reese carried a team to Championship without another AllAmerican on her roster, so where is her credit and praise for bringing a school their 1st Ever Championship, while being named Final Four Most Outstanding Player?
Robin, I'm not a huge fan of Skip Bayless, but I was shockingly surprised that he directly on his podcast confronts Sheila Johnson & calls out her racism!!!
People will have to acknowledge (though I doubt any will ever do it publicly) & realize those trolls & bots were never CC fans when Fever's games continue to sell out & they are still getting million + viewership for their games next summer.
2025 Fever tickets are already the most expensive in the league & there are 10 games for next season that already show limited seating available & they just started selling single tickets yesterday. So the BS about these people being part of CC's fans base is just ridiculous.
Caitlin Clark has a wide fan base in fact she has the most diverse fan base in women’s sports
How about a list of all the "Fans" that "apparently" gave Caitlin the flick!... did Caitlin actually lose any Fans, or, were the haters simply making out that they were disgruntled fans?. Personally i don't think Caitlin lost any of her Fan base, i think that her Fan numbers have actually increased!!!
a lot of bots claiming to be leaving but i think even some of them have been won over🤫
Trolls
I hope you are right
CC is not only a basketball star.Shes a Universal Rockstar
That's nonsense; I played high school sports on state championship teams; it's ludicrous to pretend that blacks haven't been our heros for decades, Clark being poked in the eye by Dejonaise was a criminal act, for her to pretend that that was an accident was a disservice, to pretend that the issue with what's been going on with her was caused by race and not simply by the LGBTQ society is another disservice, parents don't want their kids subjected to all of this, Clark wants to identify with her abusers, good luck to her but responsible parents aren't going to bend the knee to let their kids be slapped around❤, we were on the verge of leaving this rodeo she put us right back in it.
Exactly Robin. Yes, can you hoop or not? Wnba needs to get better.
Two questions maybe you can address, has anybody else in the WNBA had any privilege and are they expected to acknowledge it? For example, does any player coming from UCONN have privilege or does any player that is 6’ 4” tall have privilege? There are all kinds of privileges, the fact that they are solely focused on whiteness should tell you where the real problem is.
I agree...let's stop calling them "fans"
How about we just give it a rest? A few hundred trolls on the Internet is not even a blip on the CC fan radar. Anyone with half a functioning brain knows what she was saying and knows this honor was more than well-deserved.
3 points you make which I think hit bull’s eye: 1) Sue’s point that race doesn’t put the ball in; 2) The tidal wave change seen by the WNBA this year requires a 360 analysis, even if we can readily identify CC as the most major factor. Just like in an FAA crash investigation, there are contributing factors in the picture too; 3) Your mention of CC as “America’s Sweetheart” and the incidental effects of this situation on how viewers perceive the game. It’s the first time I hear this expression used about CC, and it rings very true to my ears: what we know of CC’s core values is very much aligned with that of America’s heartland. It’s no wonder then that new spectators, unfamiliar with the WNBA style of playing, would emote on seeing their “protegee” given a bit of roughness during a game. That factor would move the convo out of the race rut, and more into the way players’ and spectators’ respective core values intersect or diverge, as well as about the natural process of new viewers having to familiarize themselves with the WNBA playbook.
Bird is wrong about whether fans would be as upset about the eye poke if CC was black. Yes. Fans are going to be upset when a player pokes their favorite player in the eye. And too many miss that a big part of the outrage was because it was just another example of the bigger issue of the overly aggressive play in the WNBA & the horrible refereeing that allows it.
Candace Parker is an example. The Sparks v. Shocks brawl is infamous for that very reason. There are many stories about fans being outraged at the treatment Candace Parker received her rookie year. Parker's had a big fanbase & lots of attention coming into the WNBA back in 2008. Parker's rookie debut in the WNBA was the only game to get 1 million+ viewers since 2001 (until this year of course). But that big fanbase didn't stick around & I honestly think it was due to the overly aggressive play she received.
Dijonai Carrington stopped CC during the first game of the finals thru a dirty play by poking her in the eye CC was off during the whole game as a result. It’s not because she created a new special CC defence. CC played way better during the 2nd game because she was not impaired by someone poking her in the eye.
I dont recall her saying that she had white privilege in this because she know she balled out but she acknowledges that it exists in the W and she want to change that to merit
Yesssssss,damn,you hit it on the head, people just running with this who are not fully understanding what Caitlin was really saying,I like your comment
You are on the mark with this one. 1. She is the best. 2. There are racist messing with the conversation on both sides.
I feel that she is seeing like an america sweetheart because what she did on college and she came with all her fan base because of her mad basketball skills and her professionalism on and off the court .
I really don’t like Sue Bird commentating but she is correct about putting the basketball in the hoop. If Bird would have just stop there at that statement it would have been perfect. Just stick with that fact. People continue to get wrapped up in all this opinionated dialogue and it’s not needed. It’s pretty simple. It’s about putting the basketball in the hoop. That’s what we came to watch. We want to see skill, great basketball and winning. Basketball is an entertainment venue. Their goal is to win a championship Pretty simple 🌺
Have you questioned yourself why you didn’t like Sue Bird commenting?
The problem with this discussion is the lack of acknowledgement that there is a problem.
Problems can only be solved when you acknowledge the fact that there is a problem.
Once that is established you can take the next step of identifying the stakeholders.
Then take note of all the issues and determine which issues to address and which ones you won’t.
Finally you can look for possible solutions and implement them.
I'm greatful that Sue Byrd has acknowledged what CC has done for Women's Basketball 🏀 & has shown her support, as a former WNBA player‼️ CC deserves acknowledgment & recognition she's receiving, for what's she's done for women's basketball period ‼️
@@mhfs61media and commentators feed the drama for ratings. Everyone that has a channel or that’s on TV has talked about this issue and it really isn’t an issue if you stick with basketball and what it really is. You don’t have to put up with all this drama.
@@mhfs61I wholeheartedly agree, BUT, then there needs 2b an acknowledgement of racism in BOTH ways!!! I'd say, I think, BUT in all honesty, I KNOW, many of Clark's fans, including & perhaps ESP her black fans, who've expressed anger & hurt when they've simply ALL bin labelled as racist & assumed 2 ALL be white?!! And at times, have bin flat out told, they/we are not wanted!! 1 of the Owners of the Atlanta Dream {a former WNBA player} came out on a podcast in August & frankly said, she didn't want Clark's fans, offending not only her white fans, but MORESO her black fans, ESP those new to the W, living in Atlanta!!!! Talk about being tone deaf?! Society as a whole is 1 thing, but the WNBA, also, has it's own subculture!!! And in that subculture, there is racism. It's also prevalent, but that too, sadly gets overlooked, downplayed & IT'S NOT acknowledged! This became most evident in Mystic's owner, Sheila Johnson's reaction & response about CC being named "Athlete of The Year"?! Ironically, she just brazenly revealed, the underlying current that's there, & has bin there, ever since CC came into the league!!!
I want 2 add just 1 thing. A lot of ppl don't care!!! They c b-ball & the W as sport & as entertainment & that's it!!! They see it as their entertainment & escape & that's all they want! And they resent it when others continue to make it about more?! That is also just reality.
Head in sand. Ass out.
Not just physical there have been uncalled for plays on her several !!!!
Yeah about Tiger...there were golf courses in the country where they had to change the rules to allow a black player to play there. Most of us are intentionally not racist. We don't know how many people actually are racist. And you can't discount that she is America's sweetheart partly because she dominated where we were less represented. It isn't a big deal to acknowledge that. The racism voices sound louder than those whose aren't but damn I have heard so many people LUMP THE ENTIRE LEAGUE as worthless before CC. So many times in the comments. Like oh the LEAGUE is jealous. Then get mad when some of them players say the fan base is unreasonable and yes, see it as racist. To me to complain about 144 players and shit on them is a bigger problem than some people saying, "hey, we have always had talent here." They are right. there always has been talent.
That said CC is why I watched initially. But they aren't wrong. The wrong people here are the ones who say she doesn't need the league.
Ok. Without a league, she is just another person who rocked in college.
It is what you call "symbiotic."
I agree with Sue
If caitlin clark had said what she said the way sue bird twisted it i dont think people would have had as big a problem but what she actually said was i WANT to say that ive earned this BUT their is privelage which definitely sounded like she was diminishing herself. people arent racist for being dissapointed its not racist to just want to see someone whos absolutely earned everything with hard work not be berated into not giving herself the credit she deserves
Did Sue Bird share her perspective regarding the Seattle Storm's internal investigation yet?
I'm an Aussie admirer of CC and her basketball, as a former ref I can't believe the appalling umpiring and bias, I wasn't pleased with CC acceptance rhetoric and suckholing to the "sisters" and she will pay a price for apologising for her whiteness, her "impact" on the WNBA is nothing short of tremendous and more power to her.
I AM a Caitlin Clark fan who watches her games! I clearly do not agree with all of her opinions, but it wasn't her opinions that brought me to her game. So, I will continue to support her game and watch as often as possible. My only "issue" is her talking about "white privilege". Somebody needs to help me understand how Caitlin Clark was "given" anything because she was white. Make THAT make sense to us all and we may not be so frustrated with that talking point. It is just disappointing to have someone that clearly worked hard to get everything she got on the court "seemingly" attribute any part of it to her skin color!
Look, all I can say is that she is trying to diffuse the garbage and the static surrounding her. Most Iowans do not care about black, white, Asian or maybe being even polka dot in color. What matters for the vast majority of Iowans is the makeup of the person, you treat me right, I'll treat you right... She's just stating what she believes, wouldn't it be sweet if peeps just accepted that and enjoyed her God Given Talent and drive??
Where did being white of CC had privelege? Do WNBA isolate "white players" because the league was built for black women? When Sue Bird was playing, did she have a "fanbase" like CC? Did Sue Bird moved the needle? Did Sheryl Swoopes, being black, moved the needle? The ONLY reason CC is sooo popular and being followed by millions of Fans, because she plays well, she plays exciting, she is passionate, and she was able to elevate her team mates along with her. Plus parents with children who loves sports, see CC the role model their children should emulate, no drama, just confidence and passion.
'scrutiny and logic' is rarely in play when it comes to all the hand wringing over racial grievances...
Hidalgo is definitely an early front runner and outshone Paige in the ND-UConn game, but watching Paige slay against Iowa State last night, I'm back to thinking she's the best collegiate player in the country.
Sue bird never put up the stats that Caitlyn clark has. Never had a season like Clark. It’s no comparison.
What makes a player popular is more complex than just black and white. Yes, maybe Tiger being mixed race in a mostly White sport had something to do with his popularity.
Of course, you have to be very good too.
I think media and pundits declaring who are the big stars hurt the popularity of those players. Fans want to feel they sort of discovered a player before he/she are real popular. I think Hannah has a big edge over Paige and JuJu as far as becoming super popular.
We kind of like the underdog. A player form a flyover Midwestern state lifting her college team to final four is a story we like. Players from UConn or USC, meh, I don't think it's the right story. A team beating those two will definitely get people excited.
Here is just one of the many things that would have helped to make, e.g., A’ja Wilson into as big a star as Caitlin Clark. Get a distinctive, signature move. Something for the RUclips shorts , to tell everybody who you are! A few layups won’t do it. Catch-and-shoot midrange shots won’t compete with Clark’s logo threes. Blocks are useful, but defense is not as exciting as offense. A Kareem-style skyhook might help. But a slam dunk would have been even better (That’s why they said, rightly or wrongly, to lower the rims! To benefit you, A’ja, not Caitlin or Sabrina!)
It’s also interesting how the white players that are famous all have a similar mold: they are the type of player that Sue Bird described herself in this video as the players who “determine a team’s identity.”They are the are guards, usually athletic point guards, prolific at passing and scoring at multiple levels. They have records: Sabrina’s record triple doubles in college, Plum’s points record, which Caitlin broke, etc. This prolific passing and scoring is what enables them to have such a huge influence on games, the way a quarterback is so influential in football. They are the people you want to have the ball in their hands, as opposed to players who just score or just pass, or can hit threes but can’t go to the rim. If Chelsea Gray had Kelsey Mitchell’s, scoring, or even just Jordon Canada’s athleticism, the combined player would probably have the same kind of fame as Sabrina or Plum, though there are undoubtedly other, less important factors like personality, looks, TV market size, etc.
It would be such a pity if Hannah Hidalgo wasn’t able to get that kind of fame, based on non-basketball reasons.
They are mad because she got the big Nike deal
BS, she got screwed because of her incompetent agent! A’ja and even Paige has a better shoe deal than Caitlin! She got hosed and needs to get a better agent and head over to Under Armour!
@ Caitlin’s deal is more money that’s why they won’t tell you how much Aja deal is worth
Wilson is not getting $28 million. She ain’t worth it. She will never sell $28 million with the tennis shoes. She can’t even out her basketballs.
@@vondaphillipslol I doubt it
Although I only became interested in the WNBA after I discovered the Game play wizardry of Caitlin about 8 months ago, one voice that repeatedly caught my attention as someone that is extremely knowledgable of the sport and seems completely unbiased was the voice of Sue Bird. In this video I can not agree with you more, Robin and Sue Bird on all points made here! Well done!
this is why i prefer hockey over basketball i never have to hear them constantly have to deal with race issues😂
The WNBA should declare itself the “Sports League of the Year” (or at least the Off-Season) and then rest silently on such laurels until we can finally return our focus to the only thing that matters - The Game.
What golf courses didn’t allow black players when Tiger turned pro?
Why don’t they answer what her white privilege is?
You may be kinda right about the americas sweetheart thing. But, I'm not so sure its overprotective because of it. Fans of a particular player, are always overprotective. James fans or Curry fans are always jumping and yelling, Jordan fans refuse to believe that he pushed off Russell. It's part of fandom. Perhaps the excessiveness of it is just a result of how much larger her fan base is.
It doesn't matter if Diana Sabrina Sue Briana Kelsey as long that they are not the face of the league and as long that they don't have a lot of fans they will be good with it
race won't take you to the top might keep you off the bottom. And there is not really white privilege it is were tribal people and have preference for our own tribe but can like the other tribe to.
2:08: Why is it showing they were never here for basketball? Because they also have opinions? Are they not allowed to express them? If Caitlin Clark can recite woke dictated slogans and not be accused of not being in the WNBA for basketball, her fans can address the same issues as well.
Caitlin should have her own signature shoe and forget Nike. She should move to NBA with her followers and forget jealous WNBA
I think you are being a bit misleading, if not disingenuous, with Carrington in the first game. Clark scored 20, and her teammates were not ready. Her coach was not ready...
There are also other aspects besides race that put Caitlin where she is. She is not an in-your-face type of person. We want to watch sports and enjoy skills, get away from the constant preaching of beliefs and political positions.
If a black player with same skills than Caitlin uses this platform to shove down our throats political stances, of course she would not get the same treatment.
Caitlin said her piece, now hoop and hope it's the end of it.
Thanks for answering the question if CC was black and nothing else about her was different except her skin color, would her popularity be the same. I agree with you, it’s NO, she wouldn’t have been as popular as she is now if she was a black player. Why you added the fact about “if she was black and then she shoved her political stances down our throats” was kind of concerning. It seemed like you were trying to dodge the question, since you knew everything wouldn’t be the same if CC skin color was black and every other part of her basketball skills and personality was the same.
I gotta give you credit for this one, Robin. Pretty good. I still think you are missing part of the overall issue. But, partially on point is good for you. You get a sticker.
You see Sue Bird up here and giving her explanation, and you see her as white, and you see her as a basketball player. So you give her credit for speaking about Clark, because she's those things. But she is talking about a political issue, and she's rather left leaning. No, shock to understand why you agree with her. BUT, when the white, woman, political commentator, Megyn Kelly, discusses the political aspect of what Clark said. You huff and puff, and try to find anyway to discredit her opinion. 'She does not watch basketball...'
I love how everybody just keeps missing the point. White privilege does NOT exist. It's a myth
Second, dude, there's no problem elevating the athletes that you like and appreciate. Nobody has a problem with that at all. What Caitlin said is that we should elevate the "black" women who built this league. Meanwhile, did sue bird have nothing to do with it? What about Diana Taurasi?
Stop making everything about race. It's simple. It's really simple. That's why people are mad. It's really not that hard to figure it out.
Have you ever heard michael jordan say that they needed to elevate the white basketball players that built the league before he came around and took all the glory? No, you didn't. Because nobody was worried about race. They were appreciating the ATHLETE.
Can't we just watch and enjoy sports without there being racial politics involved? And don't even try to say that it's the fans or even the "not fans", the players are included in this, as are the media...
You’re expecting too much from an activist league 😂
Megyn Kelly has the best take I have heard on this topic, which is that when Caitlin proclaims that she has white privilege, when someone really thinks about what is being said, there is just a subtle in-built arrogance and disdain for blacks in that messaging that results in the opposite of the intended effect.
What people call "white privilege" is essentially based on two standards. One is physical beauty, because people are just naturally drawn to nice-looking people, and the other is a culture that has been proven to produce pleasant and productive people in society. While a lot of times, whites are seen as being the pinnacle of these two standards, the fact is individuals from all races are able to attain the standard. All races have individuals in them who turn out to be extremely attractive based on having facial features that have been proven to make someone attractive, equal facial thirds, almond-shaped eyes, positive canthal tilt, and the rest of it. Those aren't attributes that are exclusive to the white race only. Anok Yai, the South Sudanese model, is a testament to that fact. That's an actual black woman, and she's a 10. But that one comes down to luck of the draw to some extent and perhaps some careful selection of reproductive mates or eugenics, which everyone seems to be doing these days, whether they want to admit it or not.
The second part of it is culture. Here, there is a blueprint that seems to be producing desirable results for people, the most famous of which is being raised in a two-parent home, and many other constituent ingredients of this winning culture, which a lot of blacks who are successful seem to have adopted and produced kids who have gone on to be just as productive and evoke as much admiration around the world as anybody. Condoleeza Rice is a good example, Thomas Sowell is another example, and in sports, Tiger Woods and even Michael Jordan are examples of blacks who are sports icons.
Answer sues question though 😂 if it had been two black girls with an eye poke would anyone in America care? If Aja Wilson got hip checked would it be a big deal? 😂😂 your right it all does need to stop
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Some people just don't like to see their favorite player be the target of a dick move by another player and then get ignored by the refs. Race hardly matters unless race is the only card you wanna play...
@ race matters ur just another person who does not understand blm lmao bye
@BBstillclockstea2 lol...
For all games played in college for Paige, Caitlin, and Hannah H.
Career NCAA Averages effective 12/18/24 per ESPN
MP FG% 3P% FT% RB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
PB 32.5 53.5 42.2 82.8 4.8 4.5 2.1 0.8 1.9 1.3 19.8
CC 34.8 46.2 37.7 85.8 7.1 8.2 1.5 0.5 4.6 2.2 28.4
HH 36.0 45.4 36.6 79.0 6.3 5.1 4.5 0.1 3.3 2.6 23.2
Paige leads 5 to 4 to 1 in stats, not counting avg. mins. per game.
Summary: PB best in FG%, 3P%, BLK, TOV, PF
CC best in FT%, RB, AST, PTS
HH best in STL
Would Larry Bird be as big if we was black? Probably the better question to ask.
Would Tiger Woods be AS big if he were white? Better comparisons imo. Its about the racial anomaly, not the talent. It draws in more viewers. Caitlin would be as good, but I dont think she would have AS many fans if she was black.
Yes and yes, they would both be as big... They were otherworldly talents that were a notch or two above their peers. The fact that in their respective sports their particular race was way underrepresented made them an anomaly. Take away the talent, the anomaly aspect is only of peripheral note. It will always be the talent that gets the ball in the hoop or the cup, yo...
Blacks usually have the privilege in the sports world.
Thanks for noting that the MAGA-bots stirring up trouble online aren’t basketball fans and do not form the base of CC’s fan base
I think that Sue Bird would just focus on the basketball if not for the fact that she's with Megan Rapino.
Look at Stephen Curry I've been a warriors fan for 40 years I've watched Steph Curry be the best three-point shooter in the world ever that's ever across the line onto a basketball court Caitlin Clark's better than Stephen Curry because of her passing but when they shoot threes they're identical the way they're only differences is Caitlin Clark's a better passer
What did WHITE PRIVLIGE Do for Diana Touarsi, Sue Bird and other white players?
Guess they weren’t white 😂
Tiger Woods did get push back. Does Fuzzy Zoeller ring a bell? He lost all of his endorsements being stupid. Ruined him
One insensitive joke by one player was the big pushback? 😂
@CodyCha he said no push back. I stand on my statement
@ a bad joke is not a “pushback” 😂
@CodyCha it was a racist comment and you're trying to dismiss it as a joke. Comical. How did that bad joke work out for him?
@@TyLeeper-r1e Fuzzy Zoeller was complementing how good Tiger was in front of a whole group of reporters with camera!!!!! Then slipped in a bad joke about food. It wasn't even directed *AT* Tiger. WTH makes "racists" comment in front of a dozen reporter?
BIRD SAYS A POSITIVE THING ABOUT CLARK ONE MINUTE, THEN ITS NEGATIVE ,SHE HAS NO PROBLEM HYPING UP HANNAH, SHE WOULD VOTE FOR HER NOW FOR PLAYER OF THE YEAR ,REALLY ,A GUARD IS AN IMPORTANT ROLE , HELLO , CLARK IS THE ONE TRUE GUARD , CAN YOU NOT SEE THE HYPOCRISY,WHERE WAS HER SUPPORT FOR CLARK , ITS BS ,ITS UP TO THE LISTENER TO WORK IT OUT FOR THEMSELVES, CLARK LOST NO FANS , IF YOU WATCH NEXT SEASON , YOU WILL SEE CLARK GET MORE FANS ,SURPRISED AT YOU ROBIN,
Surprised at me for what?
Surely, you're aware that Hannah plays in the NCAA while Caitlin Clark is now in the WNBA. How, then, is Sue supporting Hannah for 'NCAA Player of the Year' a slight against Caitlin? Caitlin has graduated and is no longer eligible for collegiate awards. Each year brings a new NCAA Player of the Year-those awards didn’t cease to exist simply because Caitlin broke so many records during her college career.
Can we change 'white priviliege' to family priviliege....both parents....=> A'ja and Caitlin are the same however Paige is underprivilieged...
Caitlin Clark clearly said she deserves everything she has now and that she has White privilege. What she meant was Stephanie White privilege not white color privilege!
Caitlin White Privilege Clark lost some fan base not much. I was a big fan took my kids 200 miles on road trip just to see her play it was great trip and watched every fever game! I'M no longer her fan because she SUPER WOKE! I'll never watch a WNBA game again!
You keep naming male black or half blacked players that actually won Championships in their sport. Show me a black female basketball players that’s never won at any level that was given this kind of praise, promotion and push?
Caitlin Clark won multiple awards, her team just didn't win the National Championship.
She's only 1 a 5star all average. They bet all the best team except in championship. When they reach their they are tired. If they have 5 days rest in championship they won. SC and LSU is really a stacked team and bracket they are in during sweet 16 are all great and stacked too.
I'm sorry, but this is where you are ignorant! Caitlin C has won 3 World Championships!!! 🌎 She's been in 3 consecutive World Cups!!! And has 3 gold medals 🥇🥇🥇 to show for it. In the last World Cup, Clark was named the MVP‼️ Clark also broke the NCAA Scoring Record 4 both women & men's College b-ball. On March 2024 Clark broke Pete Maravich's long-standing record‼️ I'm from & live in Canada 🇨🇦 & this was in our National News, the CBC‼️ I think many Americans are pretty clueless at how Clark has become a global phenomenon! No oth woman b-ball player has been in our National News as Clark has, since last March. As a result of breaking the NCAA scoring records last Spring, CC became the 1st woman to win the ESPY for BEST RECORD--BREAKING PERFORMANCE, 2024‼️ On April 2/24 for the 2nd consecutive yr, Clark won the Wooden Award/Trophy 🏆 🏆 4 being #1 Outstanding B-ball player Nationally‼️ And globally, Clark's impact has ranked her in top 4 of athletes from the U.S. #1) being Le Bron James 2) Steph Curry 3) Tiger Woods & 4) Caitlin Clark
@ High School or college, Fiba and Olympics teams are stacked. Show me where she’s won a higher school state championship or a National Championship in college. With your logic u would wait until Team USA has the Olympics and stacks a team and she wins with them. I don’t care about any records, people had that record before her, I don’t remember the same push and constant promotion of them, thing globs; about Clark, yes she gets stats but it only results in her awards and never uplifts a team when it matters most, and that won’t change. Clark was in national news after she loss the Championship and that’s the problem, usually. Ha,pions are praised, just like the White House wanted to invite the losing team, tell me when has a loser ever been invited to the White House? That ends the discussion right there
@ Bro once in college and in the Championship game against LSU, Iowa was the only team that had 2 College All-Americans in Czinano and Clark, while Reese was the only one on her team. LSU was unranked in the preseason, while Iowa was top 5 and the favorite,nobody had LSU winning anything that year but Reese carried a team to Championship without another AllAmerican on her roster, so where is her credit and praise for bringing a school their 1st Ever Championship, while being named Final Four Most Outstanding Player?