“quita loves sports” put it the best and acknowledged that there are two groups making up the perceived fandom: 1. CC/iowa/fever fans 2. people using her as a mascot (racists/trolls/bot farms) they are not the same group of people. CC and I share the same hometown so been a fan since the beginning. I miss watching when Group 2 hadn’t assembled yet and am now enjoying their exodus (or partial exit). And happy to hear HER speak about what she thinks
I'm curious, I'd like to know how you can continue to follow someone who admitted to having somehow taken the place of a black athlete thanks to privileges, this also makes you an accomplice
@@JonJon-wf5yj Honestly… I mean CC leads with “I earned everything I have…” and she has. No one can disagree. What she has is an understanding of how unintentional/systemic racism can happen. But honestly, the refs have certainly not given her any special breaks. CC hitting a logo 3 doesn't give her any extra points just because she's Caitlin. She hasn't bent any knee. Just being aware of reality. She has and will earn every accolade she gets.
As a rabid Iowa fan, I was mad at DT for about 5 min. Then I started thinking about what she was really saying (minus her attitude). She was spot on. I think Caitlin fans were upset because they thought DT was belittling CC. Making fun of CC. That’s what got our hackles up.
Like Sue said, you’ve never see this kinda reaction on the NBA . Men can challenge the young dudes and people applaud it. DT points out a truth that CC admits it’s real and CC “fans” act like she crapped on her cereal 😂😂😂
@@TF-vb9us And to be fair, race had zero to do with Athlete of the year. Zero. Who else broke a 54 year old scoring record in the NCAA and then a slew of records as a rookie in the professionals? No one. Ever. Period. Not A'ja. Not Candace. Not stewie.
@@TF-vb9us You also don't have league owners saying "this is OUR League" which is racist rhetoric. You don't have anyone but Perk upset about Jokic being amazing and winning MVP. A bunch of Black players stood up for him. So, this cuts alll ways. ALL WAYS is the conversation we need to have
When asked if DT would pick Paige or Clark, DT immediately chose Paige (and Sue Bird was surprised). DT's statement might be true, but it was anything but from supportive stance. DT is UConn and her statement aligns with that of her coach Geno & they really don't think highly of CC at all.
One thing is for sure. For all the chaos, Caitlin Clark is making money for a lot of people. If it wasn't for her, I would not even be here watching and commenting on this video.
Good for you. 🙄 Hey, I like Caitlin Clarke, but do I see her as the savior of the WNBA... no. There are other talented players in the league that don't get the same recognition as Clarke does which I think is diabolical.
Just acknowledging white privilege, distances Caitlin from her conservative/MAGA fan base, while endearing her to her peers around the league. Something she 100%, absolutely wants.
If you read the article, CC talks about all the hard work she puts in to get to where she is today. She also discusses the history of WNBA with respect to black players, and etc. Then she "mentions" "white privilege" without further expounding on this phrase. I'm really trying to understand what the MAGA folks are so mad about. Bottom line is, it's so exhausting and annoying that both the MAGA and the BLM cannot just leave her alone and want to use her for their own agenda. CC is a once-in-a-lifetime talent, and leave her out of all the political nonsense. smh
The concept of white privilege is false and its weaponized to discredit and burden people and to stir up resentment against them. That's why people got so upset.
I am Italian and I don't know what you are talking about. I read the interview and I stopped following you. Everyone does hard work, so why is she in the field? She gave the answer herself, her privileges. This is shameful and I stopped following her and I continue to follow Angel
@isabellascalzitti9524 You had followed me? Now you don't? eh? lol. She is great because she works hard (but also she is talented like no other), but not because of white privilege. Everyone knows that (but she can say whatever she wants). Its fine if you don't follow her, but just goes to show how u were never her true fan to begin with. Bye!. Reese? Give me a break! lol
Wow! You are both just great. You make me proud to be a professional athlete (LPGA). You express the essence of being an athlete with such truth. This was a fabulous episode. Thank you so much.
I LOVED what Sue Bird had to say about CC's response in her Time interview. Thank you for putting it so clearly. Second, I am not on social media very much, so I haven't heard what you mention about CC's fans disagreeing with the privilege statement. Could you clarify, is this the media's response (MAGA loudmouths) or are their no name fans who are complaining? Also, just a suggestion, congratulate CC for being named player of the year and also for what she said. Anyway, thanks so much for this podcast.
While I completely agree white privilege exists, just as class privilege or pretty privilege exists, I’m not sure why it has anything to do with Caitlin being so popular in the WNBA. There have been so many incredible white players past and present (I was a huge Sue fan!), Sabrina, Stewart, Diana (also one of my faves)…but the popularity didn’t explode like this. To me, it was the underdog status of the Iowa program battling against the big dog programs in the championships, of course her style of play, her relatable quirky but very likeable personality, her sarcastic humor in pre/post game interviews, and it doesn’t hurt that she’s a swifty because us Swifties support our own lol 🫶🏻 So many reasons to like CC, I get why people have enjoyed watching her play and following her success. There are certainly racist trolls that are taking her Time comments too far, and good riddens, but there are level headed people who don’t think it was necessary for this to even be brought up at a time where she should have been celebrated without a “but” involved. Maybe she has had or will have some benefit with white privilege in her life, but it’s not what got her success in the WNBA, and that’s what people are annoyed with. Also, yes troll fans have been racist, but CC has endured racism as well, but nobody talks about that. Nobody has stuck up for this girl in the W, so the fans and media have done it. It would be nice to see some respect for CC within the league. Just because she is white doesn’t mean she should be left to fend for herself. This league needs to start unifying or else all they will attract are people looking for a race war. If they keep the drama out of the league, the trolls have nothing to feed off of. I would have loved to see a mention of Sheila Johnson’s asinine comments l, but do appreciate that Sue reminded people that CC didn’t apologize for being white, as she shouldn’t. I have seen many black fans embarrassed that she felt the need to do that.
I've seen racist comments and indicating Caitlin is a male, you know, the usual.crap from trolls. Thankfully, somehow at 22 years old, she ignores it or lets it roll off her back. She gets it from all sides, but because of who she is, she's gonna change the world!!🏀🔥🏀🔥💗
It's pretty disappointing you spent zero time on what wnba owner Sheila Johnson said about Caitlin Clark winning time athlete. That's a lot more concerning to me than what some non fans said about white privilege cause that call is coming from inside the house.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t BET award Angel Reese Athlete of the Year, or some prestigious award. Sheila Johnson either owns or used to own BET with her husband. Why was that not a league award?
At what point do the WNBA players unite, black and white, celebrate players and league accomplishments. Caitlin called corporate sponsors to look at the WNBA players and include them to promote and market. Also, why has the WNBA refused to take a position, they continue to remain quiet.
I guess the WNBA didn't exist until Caitlin Clarke came along. They didn't celebrate the achievements of players like Candace Parker and other veteran players still in the league or retired and they just weren't united at all, ever... cho man... kiss my teeth in disgust, yeah, sure. Not that most basketball fans or sports fans could give a damn about any of that since they've got their own politics and "feelings" about the league they've got to deal with.
@simbalk the WNBA players are united. It's the media and mainly MAGA fans, not, driving this mess. These ladies are preparing to play in their other league. Whe the players association deal with CBA negotiations. SMH By the way, several players can shot logo 3's not just one player
The fictional drama is mostly a media narrative that’s designed to spin people up and draw interest and it’s working. CC is not a right wing white power straight pride warrior that her fan base wants her to be so bad.
CC stood up for everyone n the WNBA. So where r the ones she stood up for? Crickets. Ah i see. They wanted all year to have CC speak on race when all she wanted to do was play basketball and have fun. She has never said a bad word about anyone and they critisizeď her for not speaking and now she does well no one is speaking up for her. And her own teammates. Wow.
CC should go play in Europe where her game performance will be more important topic of discussion than the color of her skin and where she won't be required to constantly be apologizing for being white.
Disappointed how they didn’t even begin congratulating CC for the huge accomplishment. it’s HUGE!!! not everything is a bot, some of us truly are tired of seeing this talented young woman’s shine be dulled. U wouldn’t see this in the USWNT. Imagine if a USWNT player was named as person of the year, the league would flip with excitement. I’m disappointed in you both. I’ve been a huge fan of Rapinoe for so long but it’s obvious you’re not the female (black or white-doesn’t matter) ally I thought you were. The was NO focus at all on the incredible honor this is for Caitlin and ALL WOMEN.
I mean she was Times athlete for bringing people to WNBA she hasn't won any titles its only her rookie year its only so much you can really congratulate her for the accolades don't back it up
They said CC absolutely deserved to be on the cover as the phenomenon that she is; viewership, logo 3's. What other congratulations are you looking for?
@@michelleanyaehie9089Some of the comments, such as the one you responded to make me tired. Sue and Megan said CC absolutely deserved to be on the cover because she is a phenomenon. They referenced viewership and her logo 3's. How else are they supposed to congratulate her?
Caitlin Clark clearly said she deserves everything she has now and that she has White privilege. What she meant was Stephanie White privilege not white color privilege!
Just another incredible episode. Nobody does it better! And I loved the casting back to the beginnings--crazy days! But you're still authentic and fun and super informative and insightful. Love it. Can't wait until next year!
Thank you Megan and Sue for having this show and I look forward to seeing y’all in 2025. But to caveat on your comments regarding “control your narrative”, I think we definitely need a movie about the Megan Rapinoe story. That would be epic⚽💪🏽🏆 Merry Christmas ladies & countless blessings in the New Year🥳
C.C. as TIME magazine athlete of the year ? HOW ? No National Chip. No WNBA Chip. Just a bunch of buckets. No Olympics appearance. There are a handful of athletes and specifically athletes of color who balled out this year. Simone Biles ? Sis brought home four medal! three of which were gold! THRICE! TIME can have all the seats. This feels like a participation award.
How? Let’s see, she broke the NCAA scoring record for both men and women’s. She broke just about every rookie record. She also broke a couple WNBA records as a rookie. And if you watched any games you would see that every game she played in home or away was sold out.
Look at all her accolades in college in 2024 alone and all the records she broke as a rookie in just one season. Not to mention she alone revamped and revolutionized the WNBA there’s no disputing that, like her or not.
Apologize for what? It was his opinion... most of what he said was right.. the most important part was Geno talking about her IQ... which he stated whatever her inefficiency she would be able to overcome but that was clipped to create a different narrative... I've seen the media called her everything under the bus which was complete intimidating but you don't want to talk about that... You want to bring up someone opinion that took place 6 months ago to detract what took place less than a week ago...
The more CC fans open their mouths, the more Geno is proven correct. Just look at this comment section, her fans are having hissy fit melt downs that these podcaster sports legends aren’t only talking about and fawning over CC. It’s so lame, her fans are absolutely the worst part about her and I actually pity the woman that she has to be associated with some of them.
For us people who loved watching Caitlin shoot logo threes and push the ball up the court and thought she was so exciting, these women and the WNBA have done everything they could to ruin it. I, like so many can’t believe how this has turned out.
What privilege? Me personally I don’t care if Clark would have been black. She’s from west Des Moines Iowa. Very few make it and she did that. We all here supported her and continue to support. Again everyone has their own opinion but this is just mine 😅 also I don’t see the NBA dealing with these issues or even talking about it. Why is that?
To say the NBA hasn’t dealt with excessive racism is grossly ignorant of history and fact. I suggest you do even a modicum of research before stating something so dumb so boldly.
Fact is, social justice and pro basketball have gone hand in hand for its entire history. No, CC doesn’t need to shut up and dribble. She should do as Sue and Megan do and use her platform to improve the world for those who come after her. Luckily she does look up to veterans like Sue and not the weirdo sycophants who claim to be her fans.
@@TF-vb9us I think she should speak her mind. There is nothing wrong with that article that came out. Will always support her no matter what. I am just saying I never cared about her skin color when I first started watching her at Iowa. I just loved the way she played!
For the people who keep worrying about what the Mystics owner said about CC and Time Magazine. Get over it. Because that woman is too powerful. Even the WNBA Commissioner is keeping her mouth shut.
Think Sue is on point with Hannah Hidalgo for player of the year and I think she actually has the best chance to grow the game the most out of any college player because like Caitlin, Hannah is just insanely fun to watch! Her motor just doesn't quit. People talk about Angel Reese's motor and her rebound numbers show that but she isn't "sprinting" around the court like Hannah does.
Ppl are just tired of the politics! There is no white privilege in basketball. Aja Wilson has a statue , signature shoe, basketball line and she didn’t need Caitlin Clark. The talent speaks for itself.
Very excited to watch the Claressa movie; it sounds very motivational! Life is about how you get back up after losing, whether it’s a personal struggle or a professional struggle and I think so many people would benefit from watching this ❤
Clark's competition for Time athlete of the year were the likes of Mahomes, Wembanyama, Lyles, Ohtani and the like. Clark is the only WNBA player who belongs in this group. Besides, Clark set the WNBA on fire in the 2nd half of 2024. In the first half of 2024 she was busy setting WCB on fire. Some would argue that Clark became a beacon for the whole game of basketball (female, male, pro and collegiate). A genuine megastar and a role model for girls of all colours.
So weird and disappointing to watch Sue and Megan overlook players morals for their game, their praise and hype of Ashley Watkins dunking when she basically has domestic abuse charges and Hannah Hildago (gameplay in general) when she's homophobic is just weird.
This did cross my mind. I absolutely live watching Hidalgo play but as a queer person, I struggle with her homophobia. She's young, and I'm really hoping that she grows up and changes her ways.
Homophobia is about prejudice or discrimination her belief rooted in faith, is not homophobia. She’s not expressing animosity or acting harmfully, that’s her faith. She’s playing basketball in a catholic school. We don’t all have to believe in the same thing as long as we’re respectful towards each other.
I love watching Caitlin BB. Even if she's just practicing. As far as white privilege, people should speak for themselves as individuals, not a whole race of people.
About Taurasi. I sweat that first game out between Fever and Mercury. I didn't like Diana(and had never heard of her until this year) until she acknowledged CC having a bright future post game. But for many players she was right. It is a big jump. But saying that stuff definitely made winning against her a bigger goal for CC. But obviously Diana is still very good. I have rewatrched a lot of this past season over again. About bigotry I remember the shitty comments about Brittney Griner. That pissed me off. Trolls make me sick. I always push back. I didn't hit the '93 march on Washington to then later on lay down for stupid sexist bigots. I love my lesbian and "tomboy" sisters. We family.
I never had a problem with what Diana said but to be clear, Diana didn't just say wnba is harder, she said Caitlin would struggle which never happened.
Did you see her whole season from the beginning when she was double teamed and had all those turnovers and couldn't shoot the three?...and there were times later in the season when she had bad games....well I did. So yes she struggled. She will be better next year tho😏
Meagan & Sue, as someone pointed out, in the article we were never given the questions that was asked of Caitlin to put into perspective, context and tone of Caitlin's answers. And whole lot of people have then put on their interpretation with their bias based on hearing half a conversation. A lot of people have not remembered what Caitlin has be saying all year and who she is. A lot of the criticism has been hijacked for peoples own point of views and agendas and promoting their agenda has nothing to do with Clark and what actually saying.
No congratulations for CC on a hugeee deal? They kinda just showed that they don’t actually care about her and are only interested in being another voice chiming in on the discourse surrounding Caitlin’s accomplishments…
I listened to this whole podcast, and there is soooo little of actual substance being said by these two. Megan, particularly, rambles on and on (15:45 - 23:00 just is total garbledegook) without any discernible points, but plenty of quasi-intellectual word soups and soft concepts like "narratives". It's a sign that this podcast needs actual professionals, not merely 2 athletes. They both also [predictably] didn't address the real elephant in the room, the Sheila Jackson comments (which have been widely lambasted). Part of me fears that these folks are on the same side of the coin as a jemele hill (with the idiot jason whitlocks of the world on the other side of the coin), where a particular niche extreme worldview is the only lens through which analysis is done... Meanwhile, reasonable normies are left thinking: "Am I taking crazy pills?" Caitlin is saying it's easier being white, and that she has earned it though, and that okay, and that she is the cause of the growth. She does not need to share the accolades. She also did not bend the knee or whatever. This entire "dialogue" here on this pod is just so blahh.
💯!!! I think self-importance is a sign of ignorance bc you think you know so you aren’t curious enough to discover and learn. Rapinoe has that in spades. So self important most of what she says is gobbledygook. And she isn’t even willing to learn something else. She’s already decided and spews out judgements with the same jargon that reinforced her rightness. Unfortunately the only one that loses is her.
Shout out to Claressa Shields from FLINT ...you have made us so proud. I'm so happy for others to see your journey as we know it having watched you rise up and grow into the best. You are forever a FLINTSTONE ✊🏾💪🏽👏🏽
I find the hipocracy of this whole league infuriating which is why I stopped watching years ago and only came back when I fell under the CC trance in the 2023 final four. You can't be an activist league during the most well documented and protested Genoside in the world's history and stay completely silent. If you all had or have any Pali players have you protested for them? or Congolese or Sudanese? When Caitlin was getting far more than typical rookie hazing, and when A'ja came out to say that CC owes most her popularity to racism and said thats why they gave her a shoe deal, implying she didn't have one, then sent all her racist fans to attack. All the while she knew she had her own deal? Did you stand up for her. Did anyone that has a balanced perspective on racism in America? No. IMO A'ja is primarily responsible for kicking off all the racist on both sides. You say you want to talk about uncomfortable truths, well the truth is CC faced a ton of it this year, not just from trolls and racist fans, but the league, the players and the media. That's the truth. And when CC made contrary arguments to TO HELP THE LEAGUE move forward, the idiot Mystics co-owner came out and undid everything to that end. AND only Lexie Brown came to her defense. Where is A'ja, Dijonnai, BG and AT now? Wake up because we have. Either be truth tellers or lose your intellegent audience because we're tired of the gaslighting.
How dare you have such a nuanced and intelligent dialogue about things you have experience in. Shout out to whoever at ATM who got the video uploaded early enough for me to watch before work. A touch more of THAT hustle every week please .
Sue one question CC adjusted to the W after 10 games how many games is it going to take the W to adjust to CC ? We know every team is going to try and stop her by adjusting defenses will they succeed.
Even if white privilege exists, the big question is how big of an impact does it have. If anyone thinks that CC only gets all the awards she got because of WP, then you have never watched her play. CC is a great player and even a better team player. AJ is a great player, but does nothing to elevate others.
Love your show. I totally agree that CC has been cooped as avatar by the right. While not as loud as the right, there has been some denial on the left. No mention of mystics owner on how CC did not deserve the Times honor. I have a question for Sue. Was there any of this race thing when she and Diana came into the WNBA?
Caitlin is in a tough position....damned if she does, damned if she don't. No matter what she says or doesn't say somebody is going to twist it to fit their narrative or agenda. Hopefully she will let her game/character speak and keep the noise out.
Ms Bird you are amazing. Such a take on the reality of race in America. What other way is there of changing things other than to first acknowledge there is a problem? I haven't figured that one out yet in its totality because well, people. All I can say is race is buried in almost every aspect of our life. Pick a topic and tell me it's been washed clean of race. Caitlin is smart enough to understand what role race has played in her success. She also recognizes her personal gifts in getting to where she has got to. She wants to help so let's bite the hand that is feeding you? Seriously people again get a grip.
Yet again these two miss the mark . Every week I try to give them a chance and every week I find Megan more annoying than the last. Evidence not everyone deserves a platform. Side bar- this was a good opportunity for Sue to speak on what Sheila Johnson went out and said considering she too is a part owner of a W team and yet again they prove bullying and bigotry is only acceptable when it comes from within the W.
I believe if Caitlin were black she would have been just as popular. Because it's about her style of play and ability. You can't say well it's never happened to a black athlete before. Yes it has, magic, Jordan, Kobe, LeBron, Steph. Well it's never happened to a black woman, it's never happened to a white woman before either.
Please stop saying ¨bots¨ - it’s a blanket dismissive word and not comprehensive and truthful. Yes there are bots but all u have to do is watch CC’s game viewership numbers to know she’s regarded and appreciated. I continue to be disappointed in this podcast and unsubscribing. Used to be such a huge fan of both of u but show after show, u show your bias.
Please explain what is the difference between "WHITE PRIVILEGE" and "PRIVILEGE", as I understand Clark has worked bloody hard all her life to be the basketball player she is today, and what I know of her growing up was nothing different than any other middle-class family in the USA. She certainly did not have all the privileges that were being stowed on A'ja Wilson growing up who attended nothing but elite schools, personal academic tutors, and individual basketball & fitness trainers. So which one had privilege???? The one that has a statue of herself out front of the college she attended and does nothing but cry "BLACK VICTIMHOOD" to get her way, like the Nike deal. Let's be real, Clark does not have "White Privilege" What the whole issue is about is a handful of players that are downright plain and simple "JEALOUS" of Clark's amazing achievements for women's basketball and women's sports in general.
I live in Las Vegas and the casino would give out free tickets to WNBA because they needed people to go ! DUE TO CC we Im scard I can't get a ticket now
Oh man, you both hit the nail on the head with this episode! Love you Megan and love you Sue!! Love this podcast and am really sad that I’m going to have to wait until 2025 to get Megan’s thoughts/ reaction to Becky Sauerbrunn’s retirement announcement. Keep the thoughtful insights coming and have the best holiday season. ❤❤❤
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“quita loves sports” put it the best and acknowledged that there are two groups making up the perceived fandom:
1. CC/iowa/fever fans
2. people using her as a mascot (racists/trolls/bot farms) they are not the same group of people.
CC and I share the same hometown so been a fan since the beginning. I miss watching when Group 2 hadn’t assembled yet and am now enjoying their exodus (or partial exit). And happy to hear HER speak about what she thinks
I'm curious, I'd like to know how you can continue to follow someone who admitted to having somehow taken the place of a black athlete thanks to privileges, this also makes you an accomplice
@isabellascalzitti9524 That's a take, wow.
You are the raycist you claim others are. I see you.
@@JonJon-wf5yj Honestly… I mean CC leads with “I earned everything I have…” and she has. No one can disagree. What she has is an understanding of how unintentional/systemic racism can happen. But honestly, the refs have certainly not given her any special breaks. CC hitting a logo 3 doesn't give her any extra points just because she's Caitlin. She hasn't bent any knee. Just being aware of reality. She has and will earn every accolade she gets.
@@JonJon-wf5yjCaitlin doesn’t say that at all. It must be a bot 🤖 talking
As a rabid Iowa fan, I was mad at DT for about 5 min. Then I started thinking about what she was really saying (minus her attitude). She was spot on. I think Caitlin fans were upset because they thought DT was belittling CC. Making fun of CC. That’s what got our hackles up.
Like Sue said, you’ve never see this kinda reaction on the NBA . Men can challenge the young dudes and people applaud it. DT points out a truth that CC admits it’s real and CC “fans” act like she crapped on her cereal 😂😂😂
@@TF-vb9us And to be fair, race had zero to do with Athlete of the year. Zero. Who else broke a 54 year old scoring record in the NCAA and then a slew of records as a rookie in the professionals? No one. Ever. Period. Not A'ja. Not Candace. Not stewie.
@@TF-vb9us You also don't have league owners saying "this is OUR League" which is racist rhetoric. You don't have anyone but Perk upset about Jokic being amazing and winning MVP. A bunch of Black players stood up for him. So, this cuts alll ways. ALL WAYS is the conversation we need to have
When asked if DT would pick Paige or Clark, DT immediately chose Paige (and Sue Bird was surprised). DT's statement might be true, but it was anything but from supportive stance. DT is UConn and her statement aligns with that of her coach Geno & they really don't think highly of CC at all.
One thing is for sure. For all the chaos, Caitlin Clark is making money for a lot of people. If it wasn't for her, I would not even be here watching and commenting on this video.
That would be your loss.
Good for you. 🙄
Hey, I like Caitlin Clarke, but do I see her as the savior of the WNBA... no.
There are other talented players in the league that don't get the same recognition as Clarke does which I think is diabolical.
@@makestank4800 Why not recognize other talented players and give them all Nike shoe deal? Why a few, such as A'Ja Wilson?
Lol.. I just said the same thing.
@@joycemckeeman1711WE ARE HERE FOR CC ... FACTS
Just acknowledging white privilege, distances Caitlin from her conservative/MAGA fan base, while endearing her to her peers around the league. Something she 100%, absolutely wants.
If you read the article, CC talks about all the hard work she puts in to get to where she is today. She also discusses the history of WNBA with respect to black players, and etc. Then she "mentions" "white privilege" without further expounding on this phrase. I'm really trying to understand what the MAGA folks are so mad about. Bottom line is, it's so exhausting and annoying that both the MAGA and the BLM cannot just leave her alone and want to use her for their own agenda. CC is a once-in-a-lifetime talent, and leave her out of all the political nonsense. smh
The concept of white privilege is false and its weaponized to discredit and burden people and to stir up resentment against them. That's why people got so upset.
Anyone with a platform will always disappoint folks but not saying enough or saying too much.
I wish the media would leave CC alone, period. They are like vultures circling for the kill.
I am Italian and I don't know what you are talking about. I read the interview and I stopped following you. Everyone does hard work, so why is she in the field? She gave the answer herself, her privileges. This is shameful and I stopped following her and I continue to follow Angel
@isabellascalzitti9524 You had followed me? Now you don't? eh? lol. She is great because she works hard (but also she is talented like no other), but not because of white privilege. Everyone knows that (but she can say whatever she wants). Its fine if you don't follow her, but just goes to show how u were never her true fan to begin with. Bye!. Reese? Give me a break! lol
Wow! You are both just great. You make me proud to be a professional athlete (LPGA). You express the essence of being an athlete with such truth. This was a fabulous episode. Thank you so much.
How 'bout as leaders you just say "Great job, Caitlin. Way to go, we're so proud of your accomplishments."
Where’s the congratulations and appreciation?
I LOVED what Sue Bird had to say about CC's response in her Time interview. Thank you for putting it so clearly. Second, I am not on social media very much, so I haven't heard what you mention about CC's fans disagreeing with the privilege statement. Could you clarify, is this the media's response (MAGA loudmouths) or are their no name fans who are complaining? Also, just a suggestion, congratulate CC for being named player of the year and also for what she said.
Anyway, thanks so much for this podcast.
While I completely agree white privilege exists, just as class privilege or pretty privilege exists, I’m not sure why it has anything to do with Caitlin being so popular in the WNBA. There have been so many incredible white players past and present (I was a huge Sue fan!), Sabrina, Stewart, Diana (also one of my faves)…but the popularity didn’t explode like this. To me, it was the underdog status of the Iowa program battling against the big dog programs in the championships, of course her style of play, her relatable quirky but very likeable personality, her sarcastic humor in pre/post game interviews, and it doesn’t hurt that she’s a swifty because us Swifties support our own lol 🫶🏻 So many reasons to like CC, I get why people have enjoyed watching her play and following her success.
There are certainly racist trolls that are taking her Time comments too far, and good riddens, but there are level headed people who don’t think it was necessary for this to even be brought up at a time where she should have been celebrated without a “but” involved. Maybe she has had or will have some benefit with white privilege in her life, but it’s not what got her success in the WNBA, and that’s what people are annoyed with.
Also, yes troll fans have been racist, but CC has endured racism as well, but nobody talks about that. Nobody has stuck up for this girl in the W, so the fans and media have done it. It would be nice to see some respect for CC within the league. Just because she is white doesn’t mean she should be left to fend for herself. This league needs to start unifying or else all they will attract are people looking for a race war. If they keep the drama out of the league, the trolls have nothing to feed off of.
I would have loved to see a mention of Sheila Johnson’s asinine comments l, but do appreciate that Sue reminded people that CC didn’t apologize for being white, as she shouldn’t. I have seen many black fans embarrassed that she felt the need to do that.
I've seen racist comments and indicating Caitlin is a male, you know, the usual.crap from trolls. Thankfully, somehow at 22 years old, she ignores it or lets it roll off her back. She gets it from all sides, but because of who she is, she's gonna change the world!!🏀🔥🏀🔥💗
It's pretty disappointing you spent zero time on what wnba owner Sheila Johnson said about Caitlin Clark winning time athlete. That's a lot more concerning to me than what some non fans said about white privilege cause that call is coming from inside the house.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t BET award Angel Reese Athlete of the Year, or some prestigious award. Sheila Johnson either owns or used to own BET with her husband. Why was that not a league award?
@twizms2 Exactly
At what point do the WNBA players unite, black and white, celebrate players and league accomplishments. Caitlin called corporate sponsors to look at the WNBA players and include them to promote and market. Also, why has the WNBA refused to take a position, they continue to remain quiet.
What should they say?
@@michelleanyaehie9089 "Congratulations Caitlin!" it's not that hard
I guess the WNBA didn't exist until Caitlin Clarke came along.
They didn't celebrate the achievements of players like Candace Parker and other veteran players still in the league or retired and they just weren't united at all, ever... cho man... kiss my teeth in disgust, yeah, sure.
Not that most basketball fans or sports fans could give a damn about any of that since they've got their own politics and "feelings" about the league they've got to deal with.
@simbalk the WNBA players are united. It's the media and mainly MAGA fans, not, driving this mess. These ladies are preparing to play in their other league. Whe the players association deal with CBA negotiations. SMH By the way, several players can shot logo 3's not just one player
The fictional drama is mostly a media narrative that’s designed to spin people up and draw interest and it’s working.
CC is not a right wing white power straight pride warrior that her fan base wants her to be so bad.
I will always be Caitlin and Fever fan. She's already practicing, and she's going to be a monster this next season.
CC stood up for everyone n the WNBA. So where r the ones she stood up for? Crickets. Ah i see. They wanted all year to have CC speak on race when all she wanted to do was play basketball and have fun. She has never said a bad word about anyone and they critisizeď her for not speaking and now she does well no one is speaking up for her. And her own teammates. Wow.
What do you want them to say? They get attacked when silent they get attacked when they talk
Megan, if a NWSL player was voted AOTY by Time Magazine what would you have done? There’s no mention of what an honor it was for her to be awarded!!
CC should go play in Europe where her game performance will be more important topic of discussion than the color of her skin and where she won't be required to constantly be apologizing for being white.
Disappointed how they didn’t even begin congratulating CC for the huge accomplishment. it’s HUGE!!! not everything is a bot, some of us truly are tired of seeing this talented young woman’s shine be dulled. U wouldn’t see this in the USWNT. Imagine if a USWNT player was named as person of the year, the league would flip with excitement. I’m disappointed in you both. I’ve been a huge fan of Rapinoe for so long but it’s obvious you’re not the female (black or white-doesn’t matter) ally I thought you were. The was NO focus at all on the incredible honor this is for Caitlin and ALL WOMEN.
I mean she was Times athlete for bringing people to WNBA she hasn't won any titles its only her rookie year its only so much you can really congratulate her for the accolades don't back it up
They said CC absolutely deserved to be on the cover as the phenomenon that she is; viewership, logo 3's. What other congratulations are you looking for?
@@michelleanyaehie9089Some of the comments, such as the one you responded to make me tired. Sue and Megan said CC absolutely deserved to be on the cover because she is a phenomenon. They referenced viewership and her logo 3's. How else are they supposed to congratulate her?
@@michelleanyaehie9089Nice straw man based on ignorance and hate. You have no integrity
You can find that everywhere else if you care about that and Black and White still matters... it always does.
Caitlin Clark clearly said she deserves everything she has now and that she has White privilege. What she meant was Stephanie White privilege not white color privilege!
Just another incredible episode. Nobody does it better! And I loved the casting back to the beginnings--crazy days! But you're still authentic and fun and super informative and insightful. Love it. Can't wait until next year!
One more thing: PLEASE PROMISE you'll never stop jammin' the "Just a touch more" "a little bit" at the end of each pod!
Misogynists will hate it and talk it down.
Absolutely love this podcast and both of your view points, how you speak from the heart and how professionally you present all of the above!
Thank you Megan and Sue for having this show and I look forward to seeing y’all in 2025. But to caveat on your comments regarding “control your narrative”, I think we definitely need a movie about the Megan Rapinoe story. That would be epic⚽💪🏽🏆 Merry Christmas ladies & countless blessings in the New Year🥳
C.C. as TIME magazine athlete of the year ? HOW ? No National Chip. No WNBA Chip. Just a bunch of buckets. No Olympics appearance. There are a handful of athletes and specifically athletes of color who balled out this year. Simone Biles ? Sis brought home four medal! three of which were gold! THRICE! TIME can have all the seats. This feels like a participation award.
How? Let’s see, she broke the NCAA scoring record for both men and women’s. She broke just about every rookie record. She also broke a couple WNBA records as a rookie. And if you watched any games you would see that every game she played in home or away was sold out.
buckets aren’t enough, gotta get chips.
Spot on sis.
Look at all her accolades in college in 2024 alone and all the records she broke as a rookie in just one season. Not to mention she alone revamped and revolutionized the WNBA there’s no disputing that, like her or not.
who talks about college can't talk about professional sports. in Italy at 22 you've been a professional for six years
What about Geno calling fans delusional and stupid for putting Caitlin 5th in MVP Odds and she finished 4th in votes. Did he ever apologize? 🤡
Apologize for what? It was his opinion... most of what he said was right.. the most important part was Geno talking about her IQ... which he stated whatever her inefficiency she would be able to overcome but that was clipped to create a different narrative... I've seen the media called her everything under the bus which was complete intimidating but you don't want to talk about that... You want to bring up someone opinion that took place 6 months ago to detract what took place less than a week ago...
The more CC fans open their mouths, the more Geno is proven correct.
Just look at this comment section, her fans are having hissy fit melt downs that these podcaster sports legends aren’t only talking about and fawning over CC.
It’s so lame, her fans are absolutely the worst part about her and I actually pity the woman that she has to be associated with some of them.
The WASHINGTON MYSTICS OWNER, Sheila Johnson, DOES NOT” want CAITLIN to get “THE TIME MAGAZINE HONOR” by Herself ! AM I MISSING SOMETHING HERE !
Sheila Johnson’s comments should have been addressed.
For us people who loved watching Caitlin shoot logo threes and push the ball up the court and thought she was so exciting, these women and the WNBA have done everything they could to ruin it. I, like so many can’t believe how this has turned out.
What privilege? Me personally I don’t care if Clark would have been black. She’s from west Des Moines Iowa. Very few make it and she did that. We all here supported her and continue to support. Again everyone has their own opinion but this is just mine 😅 also I don’t see the NBA dealing with these issues or even talking about it. Why is that?
To say the NBA hasn’t dealt with excessive racism is grossly ignorant of history and fact.
I suggest you do even a modicum of research before stating something so dumb so boldly.
@ I didn’t say they don’t deal with it. I said I haven’t seen it being talked about. Please educate. I’d like to learn if they do 🙂
Fact is, social justice and pro basketball have gone hand in hand for its entire history.
No, CC doesn’t need to shut up and dribble. She should do as Sue and Megan do and use her platform to improve the world for those who come after her. Luckily she does look up to veterans like Sue and not the weirdo sycophants who claim to be her fans.
@@TF-vb9us I think she should speak her mind. There is nothing wrong with that article that came out. Will always support her no matter what. I am just saying I never cared about her skin color when I first started watching her at Iowa. I just loved the way she played!
For the people who keep worrying about what the Mystics owner said about CC and Time Magazine. Get over it. Because that woman is too powerful. Even the WNBA Commissioner is keeping her mouth shut.
Think Sue is on point with Hannah Hidalgo for player of the year and I think she actually has the best chance to grow the game the most out of any college player because like Caitlin, Hannah is just insanely fun to watch! Her motor just doesn't quit. People talk about Angel Reese's motor and her rebound numbers show that but she isn't "sprinting" around the court like Hannah does.
Ppl are just tired of the politics! There is no white privilege in basketball. Aja Wilson has a statue , signature shoe, basketball line and she didn’t need Caitlin Clark. The talent speaks for itself.
Nah girl you’re just tired of having to think too hard 😂
Very excited to watch the Claressa movie; it sounds very motivational! Life is about how you get back up after losing, whether it’s a personal struggle or a professional struggle and I think so many people would benefit from watching this ❤
My hope is for people to stop seeing color and start seeing gameplay.
Clark's competition for Time athlete of the year were the likes of Mahomes, Wembanyama, Lyles, Ohtani and the like. Clark is the only WNBA player who belongs in this group.
Besides, Clark set the WNBA on fire in the 2nd half of 2024. In the first half of 2024 she was busy setting WCB on fire. Some would argue that Clark became a beacon for the whole game of basketball (female, male, pro and collegiate).
A genuine megastar and a role model for girls of all colours.
So weird and disappointing to watch Sue and Megan overlook players morals for their game, their praise and hype of Ashley Watkins dunking when she basically has domestic abuse charges and Hannah Hildago (gameplay in general) when she's homophobic is just weird.
This did cross my mind. I absolutely live watching Hidalgo play but as a queer person, I struggle with her homophobia. She's young, and I'm really hoping that she grows up and changes her ways.
Yeah and I won't watch Watkins. No thanks.
Homophobia is about prejudice or discrimination her belief rooted in faith, is not homophobia. She’s not expressing animosity or acting harmfully, that’s her faith. She’s playing basketball in a catholic school. We don’t all have to believe in the same thing as long as we’re respectful towards each other.
I love watching Caitlin BB. Even if she's just practicing. As far as white privilege, people should speak for themselves as individuals, not a whole race of people.
About Taurasi. I sweat that first game out between Fever and Mercury.
I didn't like Diana(and had never heard of her until this year) until she acknowledged CC having a bright future post game. But for many players she was right. It is a big jump. But saying that stuff definitely made winning against her a bigger goal for CC. But obviously Diana is still very good. I have rewatrched a lot of this past season over again.
About bigotry I remember the shitty comments about Brittney Griner. That pissed me off. Trolls make me sick. I always push back. I didn't hit the '93 march on Washington to then later on lay down for stupid sexist bigots.
I love my lesbian and "tomboy" sisters. We family.
I never had a problem with what Diana said but to be clear, Diana didn't just say wnba is harder, she said Caitlin would struggle which never happened.
When did she say that? Y’all are so desperate to put DT and CC against each other when even CC said herself that D was absolutely correct 😂
Did you see her whole season from the beginning when she was double teamed and had all those turnovers and couldn't shoot the three?...and there were times later in the season when she had bad games....well I did. So yes she struggled. She will be better next year tho😏
Meagan & Sue, as someone pointed out, in the article we were never given the questions that was asked of Caitlin to put into perspective, context and tone of Caitlin's answers. And whole lot of people have then put on their interpretation with their bias based on hearing half a conversation. A lot of people have not remembered what Caitlin has be saying all year and who she is.
A lot of the criticism has been hijacked for peoples own point of views and agendas and promoting their agenda has nothing to do with Clark and what actually saying.
No congratulations for CC on a hugeee deal? They kinda just showed that they don’t actually care about her and are only interested in being another voice chiming in on the discourse surrounding Caitlin’s accomplishments…
Huge participation trophy
I listened to this whole podcast, and there is soooo little of actual substance being said by these two. Megan, particularly, rambles on and on (15:45 - 23:00 just is total garbledegook) without any discernible points, but plenty of quasi-intellectual word soups and soft concepts like "narratives". It's a sign that this podcast needs actual professionals, not merely 2 athletes. They both also [predictably] didn't address the real elephant in the room, the Sheila Jackson comments (which have been widely lambasted). Part of me fears that these folks are on the same side of the coin as a jemele hill (with the idiot jason whitlocks of the world on the other side of the coin), where a particular niche extreme worldview is the only lens through which analysis is done... Meanwhile, reasonable normies
are left thinking: "Am I taking crazy pills?" Caitlin is saying it's easier being white, and that she has earned it though, and that okay, and that she is the cause of the growth. She does not need to share the accolades. She also did not bend the knee or whatever. This entire "dialogue" here on this pod is just so blahh.
💯!!! I think self-importance is a sign of ignorance bc you think you know so you aren’t curious enough to discover and learn. Rapinoe has that in spades. So self important most of what she says is gobbledygook. And she isn’t even willing to learn something else. She’s already decided and spews out judgements with the same jargon that reinforced her rightness. Unfortunately the only one that loses is her.
You came here to cry about CC’s participation trophy cover ?
Shout out to Claressa Shields from FLINT ...you have made us so proud. I'm so happy for others to see your journey as we know it having watched you rise up and grow into the best. You are forever a FLINTSTONE ✊🏾💪🏽👏🏽
I find the hipocracy of this whole league infuriating which is why I stopped watching years ago and only came back when I fell under the CC trance in the 2023 final four.
You can't be an activist league during the most well documented and protested Genoside in the world's history and stay completely silent. If you all had or have any Pali players have you protested for them? or Congolese or Sudanese?
When Caitlin was getting far more than typical rookie hazing, and when A'ja came out to say that CC owes most her popularity to racism and said thats why they gave her a shoe deal, implying she didn't have one, then sent all her racist fans to attack. All the while she knew she had her own deal? Did you stand up for her. Did anyone that has a balanced perspective on racism in America? No. IMO A'ja is primarily responsible for kicking off all the racist on both sides.
You say you want to talk about uncomfortable truths, well the truth is CC faced a ton of it this year, not just from trolls and racist fans, but the league, the players and the media. That's the truth. And when CC made contrary arguments to TO HELP THE LEAGUE move forward, the idiot Mystics co-owner came out and undid everything to that end. AND only Lexie Brown came to her defense. Where is A'ja, Dijonnai, BG and AT now?
Wake up because we have. Either be truth tellers or lose your intellegent audience because we're tired of the gaslighting.
💯💯💯💯👏👏👏👏👏 well said!!!!
You’re gaslighting yourself little sis 😂
How dare you have such a nuanced and intelligent dialogue about things you have experience in.
Shout out to whoever at ATM who got the video uploaded early enough for me to watch before work. A touch more of THAT hustle every week please .
The concept of white privilege is false and its weaponized to discredit and burden people and to stir up resentment against them.
Funny how they are always talking about cc controversy but don’t say anything about hh and it affects them directly
How does it affect them directly about a person’s personal beliefs. She plays collegiate basketball for a catholic school.
The fact that we’re angry means that we our points are to be ridiculed. I can’t believe I watched this video
Sue one question CC adjusted to the W after 10 games how many games is it going to take the W to adjust to CC ? We know every team is going to try and stop her by adjusting defenses will they succeed.
Even if white privilege exists, the big question is how big of an impact does it have. If anyone thinks that CC only gets all the awards she got because of WP, then you have never watched her play. CC is a great player and even a better team player. AJ is a great player, but does nothing to elevate others.
Love your show. I totally agree that CC has been cooped as avatar by the right. While not as loud as the right, there has been some denial on the left. No mention of mystics owner on how CC did not deserve the Times honor. I have a question for Sue. Was there any of this race thing when she and Diana came into the WNBA?
She is so mature compared to her actual age it is amazing
Caitlin is in a tough position....damned if she does, damned if she don't. No matter what she says or doesn't say somebody is going to twist it to fit their narrative or agenda. Hopefully she will let her game/character speak and keep the noise out.
Geno was wrong though.
Ms Bird you are amazing. Such a take on the reality of race in America. What other way is there of changing things other than to first acknowledge there is a problem? I haven't figured that one out yet in its totality because well, people. All I can say is race is buried in almost every aspect of our life. Pick a topic and tell me it's been washed clean of race. Caitlin is smart enough to understand what role race has played in her success. She also recognizes her personal gifts in getting to where she has got to. She wants to help so let's bite the hand that is feeding you? Seriously people again get a grip.
Yet again these two miss the mark . Every week I try to give them a chance and every week I find Megan more annoying than the last. Evidence not everyone deserves a platform. Side bar- this was a good opportunity for Sue to speak on what Sheila Johnson went out and said considering she too is a part owner of a W team and yet again they prove bullying and bigotry is only acceptable when it comes from within the W.
The good news is the New Year is approaching and you can start fresh by finding some other podcast to watch😂
Seriously! I 💯 agree with you! Well said!!
Dawg , fire it am proud you made it to the omplics
I believe if Caitlin were black she would have been just as popular. Because it's about her style of play and ability. You can't say well it's never happened to a black athlete before. Yes it has, magic, Jordan, Kobe, LeBron, Steph. Well it's never happened to a black woman, it's never happened to a white woman before either.
Its a good rule that can be used it Compton, NYC, or Hawaii
She needs more reporters votes
Claressa would whoop Jake Paul's ass hands down no contest. 🔥
NO ONE WAS WATCHING BEFORE CC
Correction: YOU weren’t watching before CC; people who have always cared about women’s sports were
CC was watching.
My mom never got times mag but she had hundreds of jets mag
I see him coming to ny Barkley streets
Caitlin Clark 🙌🔥
Are you going to talk about the W gatekeepers or not? You NEVER mention them. And they're actively trying to destroy the league.
Please stop saying ¨bots¨ - it’s a blanket dismissive word and not comprehensive and truthful. Yes there are bots but all u have to do is watch CC’s game viewership numbers to know she’s regarded and appreciated. I continue to be disappointed in this podcast and unsubscribing. Used to be such a huge fan of both of u but show after show, u show your bias.
💯 agree!!!
You’ve been saying that on every video they post, yet here you still are Karen
Birdy if you send her a few basketball tickets she will love you guys
Please explain what is the difference between "WHITE PRIVILEGE" and "PRIVILEGE", as I understand Clark has worked bloody hard all her life to be the basketball player she is today, and what I know of her growing up was nothing different than any other middle-class family in the USA. She certainly did not have all the privileges that were being stowed on A'ja Wilson growing up who attended nothing but elite schools, personal academic tutors, and individual basketball & fitness trainers. So which one had privilege???? The one that has a statue of herself out front of the college she attended and does nothing but cry "BLACK VICTIMHOOD" to get her way, like the Nike deal.
Let's be real, Clark does not have "White Privilege" What the whole issue is about is a handful of players that are downright plain and simple "JEALOUS" of Clark's amazing achievements for women's basketball and women's sports in general.
I live in Las Vegas and the casino would give out free tickets to WNBA because they needed people to go ! DUE TO CC we Im scard I can't get a ticket now
I like ahsoka
I have dawg myself because my mother is a native American and I as a young kid saw the clerks in stores put he at the end of line me live in ohio
I can do that until I get some encouragement
When i got to Macy's they always follow around the black guy until I checkout
the only reason i started watching the WNBA was b/c of CC! take the win & stop trying to hand out participation trophies to everyone.
Time mag cover with no rings is a participation trophy
Congratulations on birdy getting promoted to the new head coach of the Seattle Storm $&#%???
Its ok my daughter wears her sleeping cap often
I like masked birdy
I am what I am
I don't care about getting buried underneath a book store
Good luck in the future
Yes next test doctor Shaquille
CAITLIN CLARK IS MAKING YOU TUBERS TONS MONEY ALSO. Im watch this because of CC
Marco ny liberty valance hahahaha fun
What the number 1 rule birdy?
The gangsters can't use me
Like the dad of the 400 iq kid
Unwatchable.
Seriously. Ugh.
Snoop no drugs for Compton juju
That is why ladies
You don't need a gun, just talk
Next up the red hulk
Center ring
I understand you're trying to appease everyone.... but for now.. there needs to be a cooling period when it comes to bringing politics into sport.
Np i got his clan
Insanity
Not in my house
He may be different after prison tho
I am lady
I say not in my house
Oh man, you both hit the nail on the head with this episode! Love you Megan and love you Sue!! Love this podcast and am really sad that I’m going to have to wait until 2025 to get Megan’s thoughts/ reaction to Becky Sauerbrunn’s retirement announcement. Keep the thoughtful insights coming and have the best holiday season. ❤❤❤
A fake donation for 5 usa 🇺🇸 dollars