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The Eden 'arc' was one of those really chilling ones that Destiny brought us. Really reminded you that the universe of SG is still filled with so much more unknown and powerful things.
@@FluidMotionEnergy i think your close to being right. but i don't think it was the ascended Alterans who did it. the lore explains there are other ascended beings outside of the human ascended beings within the universe and are of much higher power than they are. perhaps when the new stargate comes out, this will all be explained as this was my theory as well, but i don't think it was the ascended Alteran beings in this case. i do think it's related to that background microwave radiation they were firstly looking for though.
@@FluidMotionEnergy NOPE THE ANCIENTS ARE only linked to milky way and peg galaxy but more the milky way because when they assended they go meet the rest in the milkyway not because they are assemded mean there know everything :) they hav now idea about what goes on in any galaxy the destiny visits because its alot
Another aspect of mystery that Universe brought was that there were no human like aliens, the aliens were distinctly alien rather than the humanoids seen in SG-1 and Atlantis. The Nakai were closest to conventional bipedal, but could never be mistaken for a human in make-up. It really sells the undiscovered nature of the worlds the crew of Destiny visited, and adds more mystery around the signs of civilisation discovered because the crew don’t have the luxury of time to properly explore it. It’s a good thing Daniel Jackson wasn’t on Destiny, he’d have gone mad knowing he couldn’t excavate these areas.
One of SGU's strength is bringing back the unknown and discovery into Stargate. The idea of traveling to so many new planets outside the known planetery systems is really great. I think SGU had a similar vibe to early seasons of Lost, with the mysteries and danger. This Eden planet is a good example of it. The Destiny ship having a mind of his own and the crew being only here for the ride with little control over the journey was unique and compelling to follow. I'm really sad the show had to end this early.
out of all alien races hinted at, this race is the most interesting, the whole galaxy they are in is so different than the milkyway or pegagus. It seems so very much older. It has a Mayan type of mystery to it. Old civilisations coming and going only having ancient over grown buildings to show for it.
Something that would have made SGU more like the other Stargate shows was if it had more people in it. I mean, on most planets they visited in Atlantis and SG-1, there were people on it.
@@5226-p1e I totally liked SGU even though there weren't many people in it, I'm just saying that many ppl that say they don't like SGU would have maybe liked it more if it had more ppl in it, but I personally like all 3 shows the way they are
@@meganoname I get what you're saying. SGU made the choice to focus more on uninhabited planets because Destiny was so far away from known civilization. I personally liked that as it made the show more unique. Since the basis of human expansion in the universe is because of the Ancients and then the Goa'ulds, it make sense that we wouldn't find humans there. They could always have found a way to make a lost Ancient settlement somewhere along the journey. The ship was also traveling from galaxy to galaxy, so they could have found a human-like planet somewhere. In the end, SGU was less about exploration than survival. But I do understand and agree that maybe this clear departure from the SG formula (and the darker tone) is what made a lot of people don't care about the show.
@@kurntechdouglas233 everyone thought they went extinct, maybe they traveled away from the milky way for some reason. Brab Wright could say it was the furlings and make it make sense
Interesting idea... but, No. The Furlings were partners with the other Great Races of the Milky Way galaxy; including the "Ancients". So they have a detailed understanding of Human anatomy, and would have fully restored the Destiny members they found on the Eden planet.
it's obvious the higher beings just wanted Destiny to take its rubbish/litter home with it, they don't want a hunk of junk and several human corpses littering their holiday home.
Universe definitely brought back a sense of mystery to the franchise, and a deep sense of alien-ness. Unlike Stargate Command and the Atlantis bases, Destiny was always on the move and turning back was rarely if ever an option, so long term investigation was never on the cards. When we met alien races they were distinctly differently from the ones prominent in SG-1 and Atlantis in the not only were they definitely alien looking, there was a major communication barrier, as the Ursini didn’t speak English and lacked translation devices, the Nakai had ulterior motives and the drones were just plain hostile with retreat always the only option.
I wished they could have met the aliens and they'd restored Destiny like they did the shuttle. She would have looked stunning after she was built and they'd have access to the whole ship, finding rooms and decks they couldn't visit before because of damage, power problems and no oxygen.
that would be a good final episode after 5 seasons. one of the parts of the show i enjoyed was exploring the ship, learning about it, fixing it. it was a part of atlantis too, but they too soon seemed to drop that part of the story for external events.
The notion that they froze to death because the door couldn't be closed was unbelievably stupid. They were there for how long before winter and they never thought to winterize their shelter? They're in the woods, they received survival training by the military personnel before they were ordered to return to the Destiny, but none of them figured out a wooden frame and door placed over the shuttles hatchway could be constructed in a day with all their manpower. Hell with an added hooded smoke vent to an open fire pit they'd have been extremely comfortable.
Yeah I agree, it was stupid. Nearly everyone on the ship was a very smart person recruited and picked for the US government's top secret space portal, in one field or another, and that, more often than not, transfers over to general knowledge and critial thinking. By statistics there would be one or two who camped with a family or as a hobby and had some knowledge. Even without that, some foresight would develop to maintain survival in the wilderness, like after the first few nights experiment with some fire and maintaining heat. Also, they been traveling in space for months, hunting gathering on every planet, and didnt develop skills and knowledge to preserve food?
@@CaseNumber00 From what I've seen, people who are very smart in science and engineering have very little ability to translate that over to natural and common sense survival settings. It's not a knock on them but as a farmer and college educated, it's easy to see, even among the engineers who design machinery but can't grasp the simple concepts that are needed for some to do a better job in the real world. I'm thinking the planet didn't have a regular seasonal rotation. I think they got caught by surprised by a sudden onset of winter and probably thought the paradise was going to last forever and had no reason to make winter hardened shelters. I still would have done better than just use simple tents and lean-to's after time there though. Seems they didn't make basic cabins.
@@cchavezjr7 look, I'm an attorney and fairly smart person. I also admittedly have no ability to build a shelter or start a fire at this moment. Having said that, I'd have to know that to quote GOT Winter is coming and would have immediately started to figure out basics like, how to build a fire. They had ample wood. Like all the wood they'd ever need. They didn't need to become carpenters overnight, they only needed to chop down some trees, line them up beside the door to reflect heat inside, and learn to build a fire. Heck, they'd only need to build it once and then keep it going. I think as with most stories, just a couple of lines of dialogue can make it much more realistic. Have it be not just cold be something like -120F cold, like so cold that a simple fire wasn't going to do it. Or have it be massive storms or flooding. Or heck a forest fire would do it if there's no escape path. Just "it's winter so they all died" is pretty lame.
in short i believe this background microwave radiation substance they were seeking out was evidence of with the destiny, was an ascended being capable of creating entire solar systems without number, something that took the Alterans many Millenia to figure out for themselves.
I don't think that they didn't understand how to restore a human (they created a world and a star after all) I think it was more to give them closure to the colonists and those on Destiny. Given the vision that Tamara had, I think the creators of the planet were watching Destiny and following them.
It was believed that Destiny's AI was responsible for the vision, using Destiny's neural interface! Presumably to help her move on from the trauma of losing her child.
@@jacara1981 Yes indeed... I mean what's the point of doing a new Stargate series, if you aren't even going to believe in your own product! Still, there is talk about reviving the franchise... Let's hope Stargate Universe also gets it's comeuppance. 🙏
@@Stranglars1 it wasn't them that didn't believe in their own product. A lot of industry turmoil was going on, writers strikes etc. The changing of its platform and schedule, and also fans. A lot of fans didn't believe in this series.
@@jacbas3216 I'd imagine the proposed new series will take a lot from Destiny and Atlantis. The simple truth is SG1 suffered from a severe case of power creep, they will need plot lines from both to get out of that situation. I mean hell earth now has ships that own the ORI, it will be hard to write something believable to get over that
@@gups4963 I doubt the new series will be set in the Milky Way or Pegasus. I'm sure some episodes will and we'll get the usual first episode send off from the last series cast, but I'm guessing it'll be in a new galaxy like Atlantis was.
Kane came across as really naive to me. As he jumped to certain conclusions about was responsible for that planet without much evidence. Plus they were only there for about a month and had no idea how mild or severe other seasons would be. This was one of the interesting and a little disturbing mysteries in the show.
My personal head cannon was that the Eden Aliens were only able to deduce an idea of what the Ancients were like based on the worlds they placed gates on. It is why the world seems so right but slight off, for all their power Eden is a best guess not hard knowledge. This would also be why the resurrection ultimately failed, it did what it did based on a best guess of the Ancients not their human decedents.
@@Spookssga Actually that is an assumption not knowledge. The Ancients were around before the star system was built and that is the furthest back that we know that existed. We also do not know for a fact whether or not the Ancients could build planets and stars, The franchise simply never said one way or the other if they could or not.
@Nikolai gladowski Well, they are obviously very advanced. But comparing them to the Ancients is hard to do properly since we do not really know enough about them.
@Nikolai gladowski I tend to take what writers they they intended into consideration, but ultimately only treat what is on screen as canon. Intentions and plans can change after all.
Eden to me was kinda reason it itself for Stargate franchise to exist. There were other cool stories too, but if it was only ever a buildup for Eden, I would've still been happy.
@@marcbow I guess in the Stargate Cinematic Universe, Aesop never wrote his Fables. "The Ant and The Grasshopper". Was it Aesop, or am I thinking of Fractured Fairy Tales?
I' m not sure i agree on calling the space aboard the destiny cramped. I mean don't get me wrong there's a lot of areas that they can't explore some compartments are damaged and or lack environment and life support, but still the destiny is freaking huge i'm sure they have plenty of space for privacy. Plus what they show of their personal quarters it looks very roomy and comfortable.
There's so much potential with SGU. It's such a shame it was cancelled. Tsk. I thought the comics would give at least a closure, but it also ended with a frigging cliff hanger. There's this feeling that I want more, but without a canon ending, I guess I'll just live the rest of my life wondering what happened to the SGU crew.
They've gotta continue SGU at some point, I feel like SG1 is definitely done and atlantis definitely has the potential for more but SGU was interrupted before they could really get anywhere
The problem with Atlantis their really is no way to end it now that make logical sense, there no way they are sending the city back to Pegasus. Now a mini series where a task force goes back to fight the Wraith an secure some sort of victory would make sense to me.
I remember watching this ep while wincing from their dramatic licence that completely dismissed how summer-winter seasons function between the northern-southern hemispheres of earthlike planets. So, why didn't they just go south or north to avoid the winter? Stupid scientists...
Similar to what I thought, too. If you remember when they 1st lasted on the planet, they had that conversation about the climate...particular the fact that there was clear evidence of very cold and long winters. At the very minimum they should have split the group, with one gathering as much food and wood as possible, and the others building strong shelters. They should have also prioritized on building viking style longhalls...at least for the first year.
I thought this was a strange thing in stargate universe. We never find out what created /moved the planet. Maybe we would have found out more in season 3.
Honestly, I'm not sure. We've seen the Ancients, even the ascended ones, do some very awesome things, but stuff like creating a star and planet is a bit out of the scope we've witnessed.
I think you are overestimating the Ancients or underestimating the amount of effort and tech level it would require to create/move planets and stars to make an artificial system.
@@Dusxio I was under the impression this episode arc was setting up a similar but much older and advanced species than Ancients that we would see more of in Season 3 and beyond which is very similar to how the Ancients were introduced in SG-1.
@@Dusxio Hmm, I'm not sure that's true. I can't recall off hand if they had plans for this but I think it's very likely the Ascended Ancients could do it. Oma on her own recreated Abydos so Jack could say goodbye. It was only a little while but sg1 did step through the gate, it wasn't a mental only experience. That sounds a lot like what these aliens did with the group that died on Destiny. Shorter time, but vastly more people and a planet too.
@@Mate397 they wouldn't have to create it. It wasn't there when the seed ships passed through yeah, but say a big gas cloud was. An artificial gravity well+time dilation field could accelerate time in a localized area of space (2ly) to have the gas condense into a star, ignite then they shape the bits into a planet and be done by the time the Destiny got there.
I think that SGU’s biggest problems are A) the shaky cam cinematography and B) the show’s tone/focus on interpersonal melodrama. I’ve read that people who like SGU typically have never seen either SG-1 or Atlantis, and that seems like a pretty fair assessment to me. It’s stuff like with the Eden planet that showed the series could’ve been so much more than it ended up being, and for that I mourn the series’s potential rather than the series itself.
For me, the biggest problem was the characters, especially Colonel Young and Chloe. With Young, I spent the first season yelling "how are you a colonel" at the TV. The role of an officer is to make plans and decisions, and Colonel Young showed no ability to do either. They started to turn that around about a third of the way into season two. By the end of the show, he was fine. Chloe was extremely underwritten for a big chunk of the show. She gets kidnapped one time, then mostly processes oxygen into carbon dioxide. That got better as well later on. Overall, though, I never would have made it through the show if I hadn't been forcing myself to watch so I could say I gave the show a fair shot. And it does get better starting around episode seven of season two. There's absolutely no way I would have made it that far if I had been trying to watch during its run.
Again this also points to the seed ships being even more advanced then the Destiny itself. The Destiny is slowed down considerably here because it didn't have the right telemetry from the seedships. So either the seedships are better at dealing with these situations or the are just faster (more logical since they have to travel bigger distances to seed the gates all over the place. And there is also that detail that they have to gather and make those gates while they are at it.
Let me tell you when I saw this episode my first thought was Furlings not ancients. And now all these years later I still have the same thoughts. Of the four great races we still know the least about them!!
Do you realize, Furlings were part of the alliance in Milky Way, and so far, Eden is located millions of years trough constant moving of Destiny away from Milky Way? What you tell here makes no sense logically speaking. Specially when they established the age of the sun of Eden is posterior to seedships, that are basically beyond Destiny's path but close enough, so that would mean Furlings would have created this during the time they were part of the Alliance in the Milky Way. Even if we don't know anything about Furlings except from this moon-trap episode from SG1, this makes no sense to think this is Furlings doing. It's also established the four races were basically able to communicate between them, so the Furlings know about Ancients, and they would be able to communicate with Destiny's current crew, not sending back dead people out of nowhere. This is clearly an unknown race, that's why it's more intriguing. Creating a sun & a planet in a few thousands years instead of millions is way beyond every race we saw in the franchise, even Oris or Ancients. Ancients were basically here for millions of years. When the 4 races Alliance was created, they were already on the Milky Way since millions years. They are considerate trough this Alliance like the more advanced, by Asgards telling it. Then they still died from pest or else. And you think, a race like Furlings, that we don't know anything about, but was part of the Alliance so at least close level to Ancients, could do something like creating a sun and a planet? When Destiny itself was struggling to understand why this planet and sun weren't indicated by seedship? I'm sorry, but this statement is so contradictory with the lore of the franchise, i can't.
IMO the aliens were capable or really returning them back to life, they just chose not to as it wouldn't be "correct". They instead gave them a way to say their goodbyes
Even tho i do hate SGU for being the reason they killed off SGA(wich would have atleast 1-2 seasons of open storylines to wrap up), but it did had his moments....... a handfull of em 🙄 Dumb fact: the shutte they left behind wasnt space worthy, but could have easily taken them further south?, out of the snow area!
So random question here. From my understanding the human race began on Earth. When the first Goa'uld came to earth the found us and discovered we made better host/slaves. They took us through the stargate and spread us across the galaxy right? If that is true. What are the ancient? They seem to be humans as well. Not only them even the Nox are close to human physiology.
In the timeline the Ancients has ascended long before the Goa'uld came along and discovered humans on Earth. As for the Nox, as far as we know, while they look rather human they are very much not. But we don't know anything about their origins or how long they have been around, relative to the Ancients (who first arrived in our galaxy many millions of years ago).
The ancients (aka Alterans, then Lanteans by themselves) are or were humans beings or very very close that evolved in a galaxy far far away from ours, they used to be like or very similar to us, however they are millions upon million of years older which gave them enough time to evolve into something more, culminating in them reaching a stage in which they understood the universe enough and could control matter and energy sufficiently while being in the right psychological headspace to be able to shed their biological bodies and exist as pure energy instead. We are the second evolutionary form of them and we are heading in a very similar, but not necessarily identical evolutionary path. It is highly implied that in the Stargate universe, alien life, certainly sentient alien life and even more so technologically advanced versions are nowhere near as abundant as in other universes. And that even the little we see is mostly just starting to pop up all over. So much so that when the Alterans, after leaving their home galaxy just before the outbreak of a major civil war there in order to avoid it, first found our galaxy it was nearly completely devoid of life, which was a major factor in them choosing to settle it (along with it being very very far away from their home galaxy). They ruled an empire that lasted millions of years, some say at least 55 million years, before it collapsed due to a strange virulent disease that they couldn’t contain no matter what they did. Eventually some escaped in secret in the city ship of Atlantis three million years before the show started leaving the rest of their civilization to die. The last of the survivors in the Milky Way galaxy used a device they built to help terraform planets to wipe out all life capable of sustaining the virus, themselves included. The Ancients did not creat the Earth branch of humans as those evolved on their own (as evident in the episode were it is shown that they were surprised to find us on Earth when they returned from the Pegasus galaxy), they did however create the Pegasus humans. The Nox are a completely different species and has nothing to do with Humanity and the Alterans.
The strange story that 🤔made you go Destiny really some how known the planet was not a good seed planet in the first place really had a AI sensors that determine valubilly all along but also testing the crew too!!!; )
Universe was the most cosmic horrory of all the stargates, wheras SG-1 was about debunking ancient gods and mysteries with our modern way of thinking, and Atlantis being the most "sci fi" with humans inheriting atlantean tech.
Young should've forced everyone who tried to stay back to Destiny and confined them. For that matter he should've listened to Greer and confined all the civilians minus Eli indefinitely to punish them for the mutiny.
I like to think of the "Aliens" as a sort of Space Elves, as they claim highly valuable Planets, but don't colonize them to secure their natural beauty.
I loved SGU but Rush was a bit much. As well as no Marine Gunnery Sargent is going to act like Greer, or ever have even the slightest chance of being selected for this type of mission if they acted anything like he does.
Greer was facing disciplinary action when the show started. It's a good question how we got assigned to Icarus Base -- if he was a model soldier before but started to fall apart during this assignment, or if maybe Icarus was an undesirable posting to spend 6 months babysitting scientists inside a hollowed-out mountain face.
what iw would have done, i know it was far away when the got the shuttle back and manual control, but i would have u-turn and go back on this planet, crash the Destiny on it hoping they would restored it in perfect brand new condition out of the factory new, a few month loss for a brand new ship, new engine new battery capacity etc
Well to be slightly fair here that would be akin to telling a mechanical engineer to create or edit a virus designed to eat cows. two massive different schools, also we have seen that bio is hard in stargate look at Thor's people masters of genetics but even with samples of the OG dna and a mastery of genetic engineering they could not design new bodies for themselves.
Yall had to complain that SGU was too dramatic or slow, and then they canceled it, so now we have nothing. Lets just hope Amazon brings it back. Appreciate what you have...
Maybe if they didn’t try to make a sci-fi show into a high school drama then people wouldn’t complain. I watch stargate to see cool sci-fi shit not to see who wants to date who and who got their subordinate pregnant. Waste of camera roll this show was.
I like destiny but it was a bit wasted season 1 was boring at times and some of the character where annoying season 2 got better and interesting but I think if thy didn't do as mutch drama with the crew with who was taking over the ship and that coz I don't atlantis would as been as good if they kept the head military at the beginning b4 shepard took over coz that would of turn out the same I think
By helping them to die again? By restoring completely a shuttle, when they could have bring them back on Destiny by popping them in, like they did with Daniel when Oma decided to fight Anubis and he suddenly was inside Jack's office? I have some doubts about your idea here... But maybe.
Perhaps the aliens only brought them back to life temporarily so they could say good bye to their friends as they one by one started dying again on Destiny. 🤔
Ending this series was such a huge waste of a great story, in my opinion it even had the protentional to out last the long running series "Supernatural"...
What are you talking about? The premise of the shows are myth and legend! From the Egyptian to the Norse gods, from the ancients to Merlin and the Knights of the Round Table, and the Ori to the Lost City of Atlantis, the entire show is predicated on myth and legend, Universe just added some older legends that again appear to be intelligent life.
I don't mean to harsh by saying "it's not real". But the show was axed, which gutted me. It put a stain on stargate inc fans. It was slow, but i thought a story was building. Result an epic flop. It should of been left to someone that would of seen the job through!!
alternatively its a prison world and the seed ships ignored it as part of some protocall or the ainchients techno nightmare counterparts tried had prefabricated worlds out there
Going into a lake to bath / swim while you don't know what lives in that lake isn't very smart .. It's what extras do in a horror movie just before a monster pops up and tears you limb from limb
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The Eden 'arc' was one of those really chilling ones that Destiny brought us. Really reminded you that the universe of SG is still filled with so much more unknown and powerful things.
It was the ascended acients, they culd create a planet and be anywhere in the universe
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i think your close to being right. but i don't think it was the ascended Alterans who did it. the lore explains there are other ascended beings outside of the human ascended beings within the universe and are of much higher power than they are.
perhaps when the new stargate comes out, this will all be explained as this was my theory as well, but i don't think it was the ascended Alteran beings in this case.
i do think it's related to that background microwave radiation they were firstly looking for though.
@@FluidMotionEnergy NOPE THE ANCIENTS ARE only linked to milky way and peg galaxy but more the milky way because when they assended they go meet the rest in the milkyway not because they are assemded mean there know everything :) they hav now idea about what goes on in any galaxy the destiny visits because its alot
Let's just wait for Brad Wright to answer who's responsible for Eden
Another aspect of mystery that Universe brought was that there were no human like aliens, the aliens were distinctly alien rather than the humanoids seen in SG-1 and Atlantis. The Nakai were closest to conventional bipedal, but could never be mistaken for a human in make-up. It really sells the undiscovered nature of the worlds the crew of Destiny visited, and adds more mystery around the signs of civilisation discovered because the crew don’t have the luxury of time to properly explore it. It’s a good thing Daniel Jackson wasn’t on Destiny, he’d have gone mad knowing he couldn’t excavate these areas.
One of SGU's strength is bringing back the unknown and discovery into Stargate. The idea of traveling to so many new planets outside the known planetery systems is really great. I think SGU had a similar vibe to early seasons of Lost, with the mysteries and danger. This Eden planet is a good example of it. The Destiny ship having a mind of his own and the crew being only here for the ride with little control over the journey was unique and compelling to follow. I'm really sad the show had to end this early.
out of all alien races hinted at, this race is the most interesting, the whole galaxy they are in is so different than the milkyway or pegagus. It seems so very much older. It has a Mayan type of mystery to it. Old civilisations coming and going only having ancient over grown buildings to show for it.
@@cypherglitch I would have liked to hear more from the Eden race but I also wanted to know more about Destiny's descendents from Novus.
Something that would have made SGU more like the other Stargate shows was if it had more people in it. I mean, on most planets they visited in Atlantis and SG-1, there were people on it.
@@5226-p1e I totally liked SGU even though there weren't many people in it, I'm just saying that many ppl that say they don't like SGU would have maybe liked it more if it had more ppl in it, but I personally like all 3 shows the way they are
@@meganoname I get what you're saying. SGU made the choice to focus more on uninhabited planets because Destiny was so far away from known civilization. I personally liked that as it made the show more unique. Since the basis of human expansion in the universe is because of the Ancients and then the Goa'ulds, it make sense that we wouldn't find humans there. They could always have found a way to make a lost Ancient settlement somewhere along the journey. The ship was also traveling from galaxy to galaxy, so they could have found a human-like planet somewhere. In the end, SGU was less about exploration than survival. But I do understand and agree that maybe this clear departure from the SG formula (and the darker tone) is what made a lot of people don't care about the show.
It’s the Furlings
That would be a cool twist
lol really nope lol good one lol its to far
@@kurntechdouglas233 if the furlings can make a planet, space travel and distance is nothing
@@kurntechdouglas233 everyone thought they went extinct, maybe they traveled away from the milky way for some reason. Brab Wright could say it was the furlings and make it make sense
Interesting idea... but, No.
The Furlings were partners with the other Great Races of the Milky Way galaxy; including the "Ancients". So they have a detailed understanding of Human anatomy, and would have fully restored the Destiny members they found on the Eden planet.
it's obvious the higher beings just wanted Destiny to take its rubbish/litter home with it, they don't want a hunk of junk and several human corpses littering their holiday home.
Universe definitely brought back a sense of mystery to the franchise, and a deep sense of alien-ness. Unlike Stargate Command and the Atlantis bases, Destiny was always on the move and turning back was rarely if ever an option, so long term investigation was never on the cards. When we met alien races they were distinctly differently from the ones prominent in SG-1 and Atlantis in the not only were they definitely alien looking, there was a major communication barrier, as the Ursini didn’t speak English and lacked translation devices, the Nakai had ulterior motives and the drones were just plain hostile with retreat always the only option.
I wished they could have met the aliens and they'd restored Destiny like they did the shuttle. She would have looked stunning after she was built and they'd have access to the whole ship, finding rooms and decks they couldn't visit before because of damage, power problems and no oxygen.
that would be a good final episode after 5 seasons. one of the parts of the show i enjoyed was exploring the ship, learning about it, fixing it. it was a part of atlantis too, but they too soon seemed to drop that part of the story for external events.
In the comics they found living Ancients who helped repair Destiny.
@@stuartmcclurey9926 I really didn't like that in the comics I preferred the idea they were so far away from everything and alone.
They could have done that via the Novus who took the knowledge they has prepared for Destiny arrival.
@@varsityathlete9927 All of the books and comics have been a big disappointment.
The notion that they froze to death because the door couldn't be closed was unbelievably stupid. They were there for how long before winter and they never thought to winterize their shelter? They're in the woods, they received survival training by the military personnel before they were ordered to return to the Destiny, but none of them figured out a wooden frame and door placed over the shuttles hatchway could be constructed in a day with all their manpower. Hell with an added hooded smoke vent to an open fire pit they'd have been extremely comfortable.
Yeah I agree, it was stupid. Nearly everyone on the ship was a very smart person recruited and picked for the US government's top secret space portal, in one field or another, and that, more often than not, transfers over to general knowledge and critial thinking. By statistics there would be one or two who camped with a family or as a hobby and had some knowledge. Even without that, some foresight would develop to maintain survival in the wilderness, like after the first few nights experiment with some fire and maintaining heat. Also, they been traveling in space for months, hunting gathering on every planet, and didnt develop skills and knowledge to preserve food?
@@CaseNumber00 From what I've seen, people who are very smart in science and engineering have very little ability to translate that over to natural and common sense survival settings. It's not a knock on them but as a farmer and college educated, it's easy to see, even among the engineers who design machinery but can't grasp the simple concepts that are needed for some to do a better job in the real world.
I'm thinking the planet didn't have a regular seasonal rotation. I think they got caught by surprised by a sudden onset of winter and probably thought the paradise was going to last forever and had no reason to make winter hardened shelters. I still would have done better than just use simple tents and lean-to's after time there though. Seems they didn't make basic cabins.
@@cchavezjr7 look, I'm an attorney and fairly smart person. I also admittedly have no ability to build a shelter or start a fire at this moment. Having said that, I'd have to know that to quote GOT Winter is coming and would have immediately started to figure out basics like, how to build a fire. They had ample wood. Like all the wood they'd ever need. They didn't need to become carpenters overnight, they only needed to chop down some trees, line them up beside the door to reflect heat inside, and learn to build a fire. Heck, they'd only need to build it once and then keep it going. I think as with most stories, just a couple of lines of dialogue can make it much more realistic. Have it be not just cold be something like -120F cold, like so cold that a simple fire wasn't going to do it. Or have it be massive storms or flooding. Or heck a forest fire would do it if there's no escape path. Just "it's winter so they all died" is pretty lame.
@@timothythomad5529 Well, in reality it looked like blizzard conditions.
@@cchavezjr7 they had shelter, a normal blizzard with shelter and a fire and a little prep is survivable
This is one mystery that I really wished we could’ve gotten more answers on.
in short i believe this background microwave radiation substance they were seeking out was evidence of with the destiny, was an ascended being capable of creating entire solar systems without number, something that took the Alterans many Millenia to figure out for themselves.
I don't think that they didn't understand how to restore a human (they created a world and a star after all) I think it was more to give them closure to the colonists and those on Destiny. Given the vision that Tamara had, I think the creators of the planet were watching Destiny and following them.
It was believed that Destiny's AI was responsible for the vision, using Destiny's neural interface! Presumably to help her move on from the trauma of losing her child.
@@Stranglars1 sadly one among many mysteries that will be forever left unanswered
@@jacara1981 Yes indeed... I mean what's the point of doing a new Stargate series, if you aren't even going to believe in your own product!
Still, there is talk about reviving the franchise... Let's hope Stargate Universe also gets it's comeuppance. 🙏
@@Stranglars1 the podcasts suggest they want to wrap up old plot lines, but that isn't the focus of the new series they are pitching. Let's hope.
@@Stranglars1 it wasn't them that didn't believe in their own product. A lot of industry turmoil was going on, writers strikes etc. The changing of its platform and schedule, and also fans. A lot of fans didn't believe in this series.
It was so sad when SGU didn't return after the timeframe set out in the last season finale, as that would have been some incredible ARG stuff.
I'm convinced those beings were some highly advanced ascended alien race. Look at the bright white light at the end of the kino footage.
I think the light comes from a starship
I think let's wait for Brad Wright to give us an answer when he makes the new show
@@meganoname Sounds good
@@jacbas3216 I'd imagine the proposed new series will take a lot from Destiny and Atlantis. The simple truth is SG1 suffered from a severe case of power creep, they will need plot lines from both to get out of that situation. I mean hell earth now has ships that own the ORI, it will be hard to write something believable to get over that
@@gups4963 I doubt the new series will be set in the Milky Way or Pegasus. I'm sure some episodes will and we'll get the usual first episode send off from the last series cast, but I'm guessing it'll be in a new galaxy like Atlantis was.
eden looks some familiar for other shows haha. its one of the sites they always use, that idyllic lake and hills. BSG for starters.
Yeah, definitely used for Kobol in BSG
Vancouver BC never plays Vancouver in TV or movies.
@@readhistory2023 Except in Continuum.
they used the same lake in riverdale and smallville and a few others i can't remember the names for lol.
@@specialnewb9821 hah. I forgot about that show
I love all of the episodes of Star Gate SG!1 I'm from Africa
Awesome omnipedia entry.. 👍❤️👍
Thanks, Matthew! I'm glad the SGU entries have been getting such great responses.
Kane came across as really naive to me. As he jumped to certain conclusions about was responsible for that planet without much evidence. Plus they were only there for about a month and had no idea how mild or severe other seasons would be. This was one of the interesting and a little disturbing mysteries in the show.
If only 99% of SGU had episodes like this every episode they visit a new planet.
I guess no one knew how to fly the shuttle to the other hemisphere during the winter.
My personal head cannon was that the Eden Aliens were only able to deduce an idea of what the Ancients were like based on the worlds they placed gates on. It is why the world seems so right but slight off, for all their power Eden is a best guess not hard knowledge.
This would also be why the resurrection ultimately failed, it did what it did based on a best guess of the Ancients not their human decedents.
Wish we know more about them ='( was such a great episode!
All i know is that who ever they are, they have been around longer and are more advanced than the Ancients and the Asgard.
@@Spookssga Actually that is an assumption not knowledge. The Ancients were around before the star system was built and that is the furthest back that we know that existed. We also do not know for a fact whether or not the Ancients could build planets and stars, The franchise simply never said one way or the other if they could or not.
@Nikolai gladowski Can you link to the interview? I did not know that the writer said that.
@Nikolai gladowski Well, they are obviously very advanced. But comparing them to the Ancients is hard to do properly since we do not really know enough about them.
@Nikolai gladowski I tend to take what writers they they intended into consideration, but ultimately only treat what is on screen as canon. Intentions and plans can change after all.
This arc needed a follow-up....we have to meet those beings!
unfortunately Destiny left this Galaxy
Yes! The wait is over...I'm in!!👽🤖💀💯💯👀🚀🛰🛸
Eden to me was kinda reason it itself for Stargate franchise to exist. There were other cool stories too, but if it was only ever a buildup for Eden, I would've still been happy.
They should have set up camp in the tropics.
They could have at least built some huts or cabins and stocked firewood and food for a winter. If the thought even bothered to cross their minds.
@@marcbow I guess in the Stargate Cinematic Universe, Aesop never wrote his Fables. "The Ant and The Grasshopper". Was it Aesop, or am I thinking of Fractured Fairy Tales?
My favourite episode by far..shame they cut it of after season 2
I' m not sure i agree on calling the space aboard the destiny cramped. I mean don't get me wrong there's a lot of areas that they can't explore some compartments are damaged and or lack environment and life support, but still the destiny is freaking huge i'm sure they have plenty of space for privacy. Plus what they show of their personal quarters it looks very roomy and comfortable.
There's so much potential with SGU. It's such a shame it was cancelled. Tsk.
I thought the comics would give at least a closure, but it also ended with a frigging cliff hanger. There's this feeling that I want more, but without a canon ending, I guess I'll just live the rest of my life wondering what happened to the SGU crew.
They've gotta continue SGU at some point, I feel like SG1 is definitely done and atlantis definitely has the potential for more but SGU was interrupted before they could really get anywhere
The problem with Atlantis their really is no way to end it now that make logical sense, there no way they are sending the city back to Pegasus.
Now a mini series where a task force goes back to fight the Wraith an secure some sort of victory would make sense to me.
@@DavidKnowles0 so a new show but set in the galaxy of Atlantis
Thanks. This was the most interesting thing in that show
loved this #Stargate Episode, in fact any episode that has mysterious and benevolent #Aliens.
sgu was one of the best sci fi shows
I remember watching this ep while wincing from their dramatic licence that completely dismissed how summer-winter seasons function between the northern-southern hemispheres of earthlike planets. So, why didn't they just go south or north to avoid the winter? Stupid scientists...
Similar to what I thought, too. If you remember when they 1st lasted on the planet, they had that conversation about the climate...particular the fact that there was clear evidence of very cold and long winters. At the very minimum they should have split the group, with one gathering as much food and wood as possible, and the others building strong shelters. They should have also prioritized on building viking style longhalls...at least for the first year.
So true, and could have have found a much more ideal site using the shuttle...
I thought this was a strange thing in stargate universe. We never find out what created /moved the planet. Maybe we would have found out more in season 3.
It always annoyed the hell out of me that Eli called them the most advanced civ. No Eli, the Ancients could certainly have done it too.
Honestly, I'm not sure. We've seen the Ancients, even the ascended ones, do some very awesome things, but stuff like creating a star and planet is a bit out of the scope we've witnessed.
I think you are overestimating the Ancients or underestimating the amount of effort and tech level it would require to create/move planets and stars to make an artificial system.
@@Dusxio I was under the impression this episode arc was setting up a similar but much older and advanced species than Ancients that we would see more of in Season 3 and beyond which is very similar to how the Ancients were introduced in SG-1.
@@Dusxio Hmm, I'm not sure that's true. I can't recall off hand if they had plans for this but I think it's very likely the Ascended Ancients could do it.
Oma on her own recreated Abydos so Jack could say goodbye. It was only a little while but sg1 did step through the gate, it wasn't a mental only experience. That sounds a lot like what these aliens did with the group that died on Destiny. Shorter time, but vastly more people and a planet too.
@@Mate397 they wouldn't have to create it. It wasn't there when the seed ships passed through yeah, but say a big gas cloud was. An artificial gravity well+time dilation field could accelerate time in a localized area of space (2ly) to have the gas condense into a star, ignite then they shape the bits into a planet and be done by the time the Destiny got there.
I think that SGU’s biggest problems are A) the shaky cam cinematography and B) the show’s tone/focus on interpersonal melodrama. I’ve read that people who like SGU typically have never seen either SG-1 or Atlantis, and that seems like a pretty fair assessment to me. It’s stuff like with the Eden planet that showed the series could’ve been so much more than it ended up being, and for that I mourn the series’s potential rather than the series itself.
I've watched and have all stargate franchises. Neither the cam or tone of the SGU made it worse for me, in fact I found it my fav.
For me, the biggest problem was the characters, especially Colonel Young and Chloe.
With Young, I spent the first season yelling "how are you a colonel" at the TV. The role of an officer is to make plans and decisions, and Colonel Young showed no ability to do either. They started to turn that around about a third of the way into season two. By the end of the show, he was fine.
Chloe was extremely underwritten for a big chunk of the show. She gets kidnapped one time, then mostly processes oxygen into carbon dioxide. That got better as well later on.
Overall, though, I never would have made it through the show if I hadn't been forcing myself to watch so I could say I gave the show a fair shot. And it does get better starting around episode seven of season two. There's absolutely no way I would have made it that far if I had been trying to watch during its run.
having watched and collected every SG show and movie i find SGU to be one of my more favored shows. pity it only got 2 seasons...
I have seen all Stargate shows multiple times. Probably 4 times over each and Universe was my favorite.
There are spruce trees, further proof that this is indeed the supreme race of the universe and creator of the signal in hyperspace
They were left a shuttle capable of flying but not leaving orbit. They could have easily flown to a warmer climate and returned later.
Again this also points to the seed ships being even more advanced then the Destiny itself. The Destiny is slowed down considerably here because it didn't have the right telemetry from the seedships. So either the seedships are better at dealing with these situations or the are just faster (more logical since they have to travel bigger distances to seed the gates all over the place. And there is also that detail that they have to gather and make those gates while they are at it.
I can't finnish Universe because of the cliffhanger. God, wish the sci fi channel gave them chance to right it up
Let me tell you when I saw this episode my first thought was Furlings not ancients. And now all these years later I still have the same thoughts. Of the four great races we still know the least about them!!
Do you realize, Furlings were part of the alliance in Milky Way, and so far, Eden is located millions of years trough constant moving of Destiny away from Milky Way? What you tell here makes no sense logically speaking.
Specially when they established the age of the sun of Eden is posterior to seedships, that are basically beyond Destiny's path but close enough, so that would mean Furlings would have created this during the time they were part of the Alliance in the Milky Way.
Even if we don't know anything about Furlings except from this moon-trap episode from SG1, this makes no sense to think this is Furlings doing.
It's also established the four races were basically able to communicate between them, so the Furlings know about Ancients, and they would be able to communicate with Destiny's current crew, not sending back dead people out of nowhere.
This is clearly an unknown race, that's why it's more intriguing. Creating a sun & a planet in a few thousands years instead of millions is way beyond every race we saw in the franchise, even Oris or Ancients.
Ancients were basically here for millions of years. When the 4 races Alliance was created, they were already on the Milky Way since millions years. They are considerate trough this Alliance like the more advanced, by Asgards telling it.
Then they still died from pest or else. And you think, a race like Furlings, that we don't know anything about, but was part of the Alliance so at least close level to Ancients, could do something like creating a sun and a planet?
When Destiny itself was struggling to understand why this planet and sun weren't indicated by seedship?
I'm sorry, but this statement is so contradictory with the lore of the franchise, i can't.
Still waiting to see the garden.
How did it go?
Is it Stargate SG-1 TV series?
This is from Stargate Universe.
IMO the aliens were capable or really returning them back to life, they just chose not to as it wouldn't be "correct". They instead gave them a way to say their goodbyes
Accidental? According to who? Rush or the rest of the crew?
love the channel.
Thanks, Josh! Glad to have you watching.
*It is so sad that the SGU is abandoned*
Just out of curiosity why didn't they try continents in the tropics its easier to survive there.
Even tho i do hate SGU for being the reason they killed off SGA(wich would have atleast 1-2 seasons of open storylines to wrap up), but it did had his moments....... a handfull of em 🙄
Dumb fact: the shutte they left behind wasnt space worthy, but could have easily taken them further south?, out of the snow area!
So random question here. From my understanding the human race began on Earth. When the first Goa'uld came to earth the found us and discovered we made better host/slaves. They took us through the stargate and spread us across the galaxy right?
If that is true. What are the ancient? They seem to be humans as well. Not only them even the Nox are close to human physiology.
In the timeline the Ancients has ascended long before the Goa'uld came along and discovered humans on Earth. As for the Nox, as far as we know, while they look rather human they are very much not. But we don't know anything about their origins or how long they have been around, relative to the Ancients (who first arrived in our galaxy many millions of years ago).
The ancients (aka Alterans, then Lanteans by themselves) are or were humans beings or very very close that evolved in a galaxy far far away from ours, they used to be like or very similar to us, however they are millions upon million of years older which gave them enough time to evolve into something more, culminating in them reaching a stage in which they understood the universe enough and could control matter and energy sufficiently while being in the right psychological headspace to be able to shed their biological bodies and exist as pure energy instead.
We are the second evolutionary form of them and we are heading in a very similar, but not necessarily identical evolutionary path.
It is highly implied that in the Stargate universe, alien life, certainly sentient alien life and even more so technologically advanced versions are nowhere near as abundant as in other universes. And that even the little we see is mostly just starting to pop up all over. So much so that when the Alterans, after leaving their home galaxy just before the outbreak of a major civil war there in order to avoid it, first found our galaxy it was nearly completely devoid of life, which was a major factor in them choosing to settle it (along with it being very very far away from their home galaxy).
They ruled an empire that lasted millions of years, some say at least 55 million years, before it collapsed due to a strange virulent disease that they couldn’t contain no matter what they did.
Eventually some escaped in secret in the city ship of Atlantis three million years before the show started leaving the rest of their civilization to die. The last of the survivors in the Milky Way galaxy used a device they built to help terraform planets to wipe out all life capable of sustaining the virus, themselves included.
The Ancients did not creat the Earth branch of humans as those evolved on their own (as evident in the episode were it is shown that they were surprised to find us on Earth when they returned from the Pegasus galaxy), they did however create the Pegasus humans.
The Nox are a completely different species and has nothing to do with Humanity and the Alterans.
@@yazanmowed wow 👏🤯 thank you for that! Very interesting
The strange story that 🤔made you go Destiny really some how known the planet was not a good seed planet in the first place really had a AI sensors that determine valubilly all along but also testing the crew too!!!; )
Furlings, perhaps?
Interesting
Furlans?
Universe was the most cosmic horrory of all the stargates, wheras SG-1 was about debunking ancient gods and mysteries with our modern way of thinking, and Atlantis being the most "sci fi" with humans inheriting atlantean tech.
Maybe that was the planet Sakari alien race that starts to rebuild. From Stargate Atlantis season 5 Episode 15
is this a fan fic?
No, the events narrated here played out in the two SGU episodes that are linked in the description -- "Faith" and "Visitation."
@@GateWorldDotNet Oh okay... I left SGU out. Didn't appeal to me
Young should've forced everyone who tried to stay back to Destiny and confined them. For that matter he should've listened to Greer and confined all the civilians minus Eli indefinitely to punish them for the mutiny.
Soo manh Stargate Universe Mystery
Kinda like the end of that Spielberg movie.
I like to think of the "Aliens" as a sort of Space Elves, as they claim highly valuable Planets, but don't colonize them to secure their natural beauty.
Would they have died again if they didn't remember that they had died once before?
I loved SGU but Rush was a bit much.
As well as no Marine Gunnery Sargent is going to act like Greer, or ever have even the slightest chance of being selected for this type of mission if they acted anything like he does.
Wasn't he in the brig of the icarus base when it got attacked?
Greer was facing disciplinary action when the show started. It's a good question how we got assigned to Icarus Base -- if he was a model soldier before but started to fall apart during this assignment, or if maybe Icarus was an undesirable posting to spend 6 months babysitting scientists inside a hollowed-out mountain face.
what iw would have done, i know it was far away when the got the shuttle back and manual control, but i would have u-turn and go back on this planet, crash the Destiny on it hoping they would restored it in perfect brand new condition out of the factory new, a few month loss for a brand new ship, new engine new battery capacity etc
One hundred percent ascended beings akin to the ancients and involved with them are the creators of the obelisk etc..
Those civilian were dumb in staying. They never understood camping nor hard living
Wow! The alien built a star but couldn’t edit human genome 🧬
well according to Stargate the human Genome is a hybrid of Atlantian and god knows what else or how long it's been in a state of evolution
Well to be slightly fair here that would be akin to telling a mechanical engineer to create or edit a virus designed to eat cows. two massive different schools, also we have seen that bio is hard in stargate look at Thor's people masters of genetics but even with samples of the OG dna and a mastery of genetic engineering they could not design new bodies for themselves.
The aliens may had had the ability to rebuild the humans, but chose not to do so.
Yall had to complain that SGU was too dramatic or slow, and then they canceled it, so now we have nothing. Lets just hope Amazon brings it back. Appreciate what you have...
Maybe if they didn’t try to make a sci-fi show into a high school drama then people wouldn’t complain. I watch stargate to see cool sci-fi shit not to see who wants to date who and who got their subordinate pregnant. Waste of camera roll this show was.
It was already confirmed by the creator that the ancients were more advanced than the planet builders
When and where was this said?
I like destiny but it was a bit wasted season 1 was boring at times and some of the character where annoying season 2 got better and interesting but I think if thy didn't do as mutch drama with the crew with who was taking over the ship and that coz I don't atlantis would as been as good if they kept the head military at the beginning b4 shepard took over coz that would of turn out the same I think
If only Destiny had had a sarcophagus.
they probably had a cube like healing device the sarcophagus
Maybe the ascended ancients decided to help.
By helping them to die again? By restoring completely a shuttle, when they could have bring them back on Destiny by popping them in, like they did with Daniel when Oma decided to fight Anubis and he suddenly was inside Jack's office?
I have some doubts about your idea here... But maybe.
Where's Eli the handsome hulking genius? He's hot!🥰😍🤩😘
Perhaps the aliens only brought them back to life temporarily so they could say good bye to their friends as they one by one started dying again on Destiny. 🤔
Ending this series was such a huge waste of a great story, in my opinion it even had the protentional to out last the long running series "Supernatural"...
Another sign that stargate was trying to pool a mystic style of BSG , very unfitting
What are you talking about? The premise of the shows are myth and legend! From the Egyptian to the Norse gods, from the ancients to Merlin and the Knights of the Round Table, and the Ori to the Lost City of Atlantis, the entire show is predicated on myth and legend, Universe just added some older legends that again appear to be intelligent life.
I don't mean to harsh by saying "it's not real". But the show was axed, which gutted me. It put a stain on stargate inc fans. It was slow, but i thought a story was building. Result an epic flop. It should of been left to someone that would of seen the job through!!
alternatively its a prison world and the seed ships ignored it as part of some protocall
or the ainchients techno nightmare counterparts tried had prefabricated worlds out there
1st
why is everyone so ignorant in these comment section and not mention the obelisk mythos origin
This was one of the few episodes I hated. It went hard core religious and that was one of the reasons I hated SG1 once the Ori showed up.
They also found an empty photon torpedo casing.
Yeah, everything will be fine and dandy until the Klingons show up.
Genesis is planet forbidden.
Going into a lake to bath / swim while you don't know what lives in that lake isn't very smart .. It's what extras do in a horror movie just before a monster pops up and tears you limb from limb