SAX TEST - Selmer Mark VI, Mark VII and Yamaha Yas 32. SAX COMPARISON
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- Опубликовано: 9 сен 2024
- SAX TEST - Selmer Mark VII 1976, Mark VI 1967 and Yamaha Yas 32 1999.
Mouthpiece BARI WT II 7, reed Vandoren Java.
MARK VII 0:07, MARK VI 2:30, YAS 32 4:12
Same Process for all the recordings.
Give me your opinions!
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YAS 32 No1. Polished, refined & rich tone
My sax broke on the way to a band clinic and the college gave me one of their saxes to use and it was a SELMER MARK 6! I WAS SOO HAPPY
Lucky dude!
Nice sound test
Javier, YOU SIR, are where that beautiful tone is coming from.
(Yes, there were subtle differences, but not enough to make me buy one over the other tone wise... )
Basically, you could make a vito sound good.
Thanks a lot, Jason! I really appreciate your comment :) Big Hug!
The VI is the one I like less in this review. the 32 is a fantastic horn especially if you consider its price.
Saxo Fonista Great horn!
A good useful video - thanks. The Yamaha sounds surprisingly good
Yamaha makes great saxophones. This is even a semi pro. A 62 or a Custom gives you even more quality, resonance, proyection and intonation.
I LIKE THAT. VERY VERY GOOD.
For me - Mark VII.
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They all sound great, and they all have their place in line, you decide......
mike stang exactly. The sound comes from the inside. It’s about taste but not big differences
Great playing sir! Doesn’t matter which horn. They playing was just, WOW
Thank you, Ray! :)
Mark VI ;-) Definitely, especially the lowest notes and the highest. My Mark VII tenor had been stolen and I was very sad, but after having bought a Mark VI I wasn' t sad at all any more...
All Selmer sax are diferent , are hand made , and there are good mark 6 and mark 7 , not so good mark 6 and mark 7 ,
I love my Selmer Mark VII Silver Plated Finish Tenor. It's so really warm sounds !
Me too, 277266
@@andrea22213 I'm use SELMER Metal Mouthpiece silver plated too :) Use for Classic Music and all. Check at eBay # 141279135027
All of them sounds great! But on the right hands like yours LoL!!!! First of all You sounds great! And those Selmer 6 & 7 both are amazing!!!
Thanks a lot, Alessandro! Im glad you enjoyed my playing. Big hug.
I had 2 Mark 6 altos and one Mark 6 tenor from the 70's'years ago , great horns . , Now I play a Yamaha yas 32 purple stamp from the late 70 or early 80's and a Yamaha Yas 61 tenor purple stamp. Although I like Selmers, the sound of the early 70 and 80 yamaha horns are amazing, the clarity, timber , resonance is incredible. I converted to Yamaha horns and no disrespect to the mark 6 or 7's. My 2 cents.
Selmer of course
Thanks for this test.
Yas 32 has no deep sound, probably because it’s an entry level. Mark VI and Mark VII have more volume and a strong projection.
My 2 cents.
thanks
Yamaha YAS-32 the best sound!
Te best brilhant sound, of course, not the best Timbre of Metal .
So...isn’t this a tacit admission that parity exists between pro Selmers and student model Yamahas? At lower volumes the student model Yamaha has timbre similar to an alto clarinet. The altissimo seems more stable on the Yamaha and it also sounds more in tune in the upper end of the high register and the lower end of the low register. Pushing against the resistance at volume produces a brighter edge on the Yamaha, to be expected. As a solo instrument in a pop/smooth jazz/rock/funk setting the Yamaha STUDENT model outperforms the PRO Selmer models. To get the best of both worlds just go ahead and get the true hybrid - Ishimori Woodstone. That’s what I did.
Thanks a lot for your comment, and for listening so carefully. Great appreciation.
Yamaha 32 is not a Student Saxofone, its a good intermediate Sax, i have a tenor from 1990 and its a very good sax, also have a Tenor Mark 7 and its great too, a litle more projection sound , best metal quality, and more timbre .
@@ruicalcada1664 Sorry, intermediate. I am not really sure how much sonic difference there really is between the various lower level saxes (those models which are not properly regarded as "Pro"). In all honesty, the Pro models - 62, 82Z, 875EX and EXII are relatively close sonically. Most of the sound is the player, after that the mouthpiece/ligature/reed combo has the next greatest impact. The neck after that. Once you hit the horn, the sonic differences diminish. In general, the farther you move away from the larynx and embouchure, the less impact on sound you have. This is why a great player is equally identifiable on a "cheap" sax vs. a top of the line professional sax. Truth be told, older Selmer Mk VIs are very inconsistent with intonation. The newer horns are more consistent top to bottom and often times have improved keywork and functionality. The metallurgy, on the other hand, is felt more by the player than it is heard by the listener. This is especially true once recording effects are applied. Unless one is wealthy or is playing for an income, it makes more sense to focus on finding a good mouthpiece/ligature/reed setup than it does stepping into a $5,000 sax. Just my .02 of course.
Os Marks dispensam comentarios. O que me surpreendeu foi o som do 32, isto porque tenho um muito conservado, que coloquei um tudel 62 da Yamaha e o som ficou top. Nao tenho a tecnica que voce tem, alias passo longe, mas meu som ta chegando... estou feliz.... tenho tambem um custon 875, e olha que o 32 com o tudel 62 ficou show. Uso uma Meyer 7. Vi que to bem de instrumentos, quem sabe um dia chego um selmer desses. Belo som, parabens pela demonstracao que serve para estimular os que estao vindo atras. Abs.
Gracias! el 32 es un gran saxofón
Un tercero sería , gracias.
聴いていて、僕には、マーク６も、マーク７、も、音色の違いが、分かりません、ちなみに、僕は、マーク６を持っていて、今、75才で、5０年も、テナーサックスを吹いています。やはり、マーク６の音色は、良いですね。
Thanks for listening. They sound pretty similar to me also. Cheers
Amazing playing, congratulations. Any alto would sound great !
Thanks, David! I'm glad that you liked it.
Sorry mate, but that is not a Yamaha Yas 32, by looking at the picture it looks like a 62, the 32 is not bell engraved and the key guards do not have screw down felt bumps. But let me just say that you sound great though. thanks
Would like to see the Yamaha pro horns up against the Selmers. The best comparisons would include the Yamaha YAS-82Zii Custom 82Zii and the Yamaha 875EXII
Or even the 62 model 4 With a V1 neck.
Disculpe y el 32 logo purpura es más antiguo que el q muestra en el vídeo o más moderno y por qué no lo considero en este vídeo muchas gracias por su video es un gran aporte muy agradecido!
Gracias, Kevin. No estoy seguro pero creo que el de logo púrpura es más antiguo. No lo consideré porque no lo tengo. Estos eras los que tenía disponibles. Saludos!
Mark 6 the best sound, mark 7 and yamaha 32 similar!
Giuseppe Francavilla Interesting! Thanks!
o yamaha 32 é um pouco mais brilhante, tenho um Yts 32 dos anos 90 e é super afinado, mas não tem tanta projeccão, nem timbre do que o meu Tenor Mark 7 de 1980, o yamaha não tem graves tão profundos, embora seja um bom saxofone, chaves mais suaves e macias, no entanto não têm tanta ressonancia no metal . .como o mark 7 .
Thanks for making this video i have mark7 but i feel mark 6 and sa80 s2 has a better tone and better vibrations also i have Yamaha custom ex so easy to blow and control also I'm looking for swap I'm in melbourne australia let me know if anyone want to buy mark 7 conditions perfectly says 95% like new!!
All great sax! I still prefer the VI, because of the harmonics and sound. VII is excellent also. I had de Custom EX and loved it, really easy to play, but not the deep and rich sound as the VI. Greetings form Mexico!
Any chance it is still available?
Will you swap my YAS62 for a Mark 7
@@JavierCavaciniwill you swap my YAS62 for a Mark 7
I don´t have it anymore, sorry. @@samueloluyinkaojomu6548
every sax sound great with effects like reverb, please try comparing the horns without effects on your mike next time. I def. Liked the yamaha btw
Thanks. Actually the effects improve the sound, but you can notice the difference. But I´ll do that next time. Thanks for your opinion.
I liked the mark vii (7) best
@@alvincornistamusic8754 Me too.
32 are a great horn..
Purple model even better.. the 6 and 7 are always nice.. but a 32 for the price u can’t bet..
Forever Mark VII !!!!!!!!!
El Mark6 me gusta un poco mas el sonido, pero en los bajos me gusta un pokito mas el Mark7 a pesar que me parece levemente desafinado en algunas partes. Y el Yam 32 me gusta mas en los agudos y en gral me parece muy afinado en todo el registro, aunque su sonido levemente mas brillante no me gusta tanto, pero no deja de ser excelente igual que los otros... yo tengo un yas 32F, pero toco tenor. Gracias x el video, muy bueno!, pero la prox sin micro x fa.
Cristian W. Fath Gracias por tu comentario. El próximo va sin efectos ;)
This is fantastic! All of the horns sonds great for their costs! Of course, selmers have a better tembre, but yamaha yas 32 is a student horn and selmers are for the professionals! So, it's not right to compare them. It's not right to compare selmer and yamaha saxophone in principle! There are no worse or better horns! There are just two companies, that see the saxophone sound different. The times change and the sound changes, so why doesn't we change? Why do we compare? These horns sounds perfectly, so we just choose the best for us!
I'm sory for my english. I'm russian, so there might be some mistakes.
Thanks for for opinion. I´m not trying to see which one is better, but trying to show that a student sax sounds really good comparing to the best saxes ever. Besides, these are the saxophones I had available. As you said, we choose the best for us.
@@JavierCavacini , Yas 32 is not a student sax, its an Intermediate Sax, and build in Japan its very good , dont compare to a Yas 280 made in Thailand . . .
Listening for that Getz tone and sound bro, if you gonna play Mark 7 tenor......play that sound please tester
I love Getz tone
Best listen to Getz then.....
Will do wonders for your already vibrant sounds, thanks bro, be interested to hear reviews of tonal qualities for Mark V11.
I found I like mark6 so much better than 7. they are so different.
Yamaha sounded the cleanest.
Thanks for your comment.
I don't know why the Mark VII is hated so much. I sounds fine to me. I have a Mark VI tenor. A friend bought a Mark VII tenor in about 1976 and I had a blow on it. It felt fine. What's the problem? Man, Bird could pick up any old antique sax and he always sounded like Bird.
I have blown a Yamaha alto and a tenor (while trying a mouthpiece in a store) and they were great, too, but they are a copy of the Selmer. I would rather have the real thing.
I have a MK7 tenor and a MK6 tenor. The MK6 tenor is way better, not just for vibrant resonant tone that projects well and has great focus, but also for weight and feel of the horn. The table keys on the MK7 were place so far away, by mistake, according to a source I know. It is true that a well preserved at set up Mk7 plays fine, nothing wrong with it, although the tone is a little dead in comparison, but more importantly, the thing feels clumsy to hold and play which equally detract from producing the fullest tone.
@@MKD371 , alll this sax are hand made and diferent , you have good mark 6, and not so good, good Mk 7 and not so good Mk7.
Mk 6 its more light in Kg, Mk 7 more heavier , but Mk 7 cost more 500 Eur New in 1980 then Mk 6 . . ., today a used Mk 7 is 1/2 price , from a Mk 6.
@@ruicalcada1664 When my MK7 was set up perfectly it played fine, but as I mentioned, the feel of the horn was not for me. They play tested the horn and went through the designs initially, and overdid it on table keys, making them way too big and too low to reach for 90 percent of the players, every key appears almost double the size, which is silly really. So I wouldn't go back to an Mk7 simply because a Mk6 feels closer in key work, the guy testing the horn had huge hands apparently, which was not meant to be implemented in the Mk7 design initially, they swapped testers at the last minute, a big mistake. Also the taper of the neck does not produce as snappy or bright a tone, which can always be dulled down later if needed, or mellowed out through sub0toning or whatever preference, blowing softly etc, it's easy to take away from a full palette, harder to add if it is not there to start with. True there are bad mk 6's, that said has anyone actually bought a bad mk6 and done it up properly, my money is on the fact that it will still blow most other horns away, particularly mk7's. If I had to ditch the Mk6, then I'd rather play a totally different horn that is not designed for an 7 foot giant.
La mecanica del Mark 7 es más comoda que en el mark 6 sobre todo en el sistema de graves, el sonido es prácticamente igual, y el Yamaha es muy buen saxofon, aunque el modelo no importa mucho porque parecen fotocopias todos los Yamaha Yas
Não concordo muito consigo, os yamahas realmente são bons saxofones, tenho um Yts 32 de 1990 super afinado, mas os saxofones mais recentes perdem muita qualidade sonora o timbre é mais pobre e brilhante , são todos mto mais parecidos, mais homogeneos, mas isso tb acontece com os Selmer mais novos, o tipo de metal do passado tem outras caracteristicas de ressonancia que os sax de hoje não têm, eu tenho um Selmer SA 80 de 2006, e o tipo de metal é mto diferente do meu Tenor Mark 7 de 1980, não tem NADA a vêr, parecem de marcas diferentes ...
I have a YTS 62 Tenor, but the real problem is that don't have deep, pop music very nice but playing jazz with the time you need more deep tones
Yes, for Jazz, a old one, a King, a Selmer Mk 6 or Mk 7, a Conn 10 M . .
Muy bien video!!
Voy en camino a comprar un saxo alto y por mí presupuesto creí que voy a llegar a un Yas 23 o Yas 25 (este último más completo por la llave de Fa), si hay alguna sugerencia es bienvenida
Saludos!
Gracias, Osvaldo. Yamaha siempre es recomendado. Si vas a comprar un 23 o 25 nuevo, quizás te convenga un 32 o 475 (ahora se llaman así) seminuevo, ya que es bastante mejor. De todas formas el 23 o 25 van muy bien. Saludos!
@@JavierCavacini buenísimo, muchas gracias!!
Mí presupuesto no está para comprar nuevos 😂😂
Soy guitarrista y siempre compro guitarras en buenas condiciones.
Pero de vientos...nada !!!!
Así que probablemente compre un Yas25 ya que me dicen que tiene llave de *FA* agudo
Un 23 bien calibrado es un saxo muy bueno, vi incluso profesionales tocando con ellos en festivales de jazz.los 25 no los conozco.
@@JavierCavacini , sim, concordo a 100 % , tenho 4 saxofones todos comprados usados, com excelente timbre, os sax mais recentes perdem mta qualidade de timbre, até os novissimos Yamahas e Selmer serie 3 são todos mto brilhantes , pelo menos para o meu gosto . .
@@saxofonistacr , sim mas um 32 bem calibrado está mtos pontos acima. . .
Try now the same with a YAS 62 of 1999 in state of 32. And you'll see.... For less price you'll get one of the best sax in the world.
Quedé Suscrito a tu canal! Muy buena Review... Tengo una consulta amigo espero me puedas ayudar, Los yamaha 52 logo púrpura son de los 80s?
Y qué me podrías decir de ellos? (quiza pudieras extenderte) Soy guitarrista pero este año comienzo con el saxofón y encontré un Yas 52 logo púrpura estado 9.5 de 10...
No se absolutamente NADA, así que cualquier comentario me viene súper bien! Créeme que lo agradecería mucho amigo, Saludos!
Muchas gracias por tu comentario!
Los logo púrpura sí son más antiguos, y son más buscados porque tienen un sonido un tanto más oscuro y con más armonicos.
El 52 es el modelo intermedio (igual que el 32, solo que cambian de nombre porque el 32 se hizo para Europa y el 52 para Estados Unidos, pero es igual), y es un gran sax. Si lo encuentras en ese estado, y a buen precio, vale mucho la pena. Saludos!
@@jac4610 Muchas gracias por aclarar mis dudas! Tenía esa gran inquietud! Un abrazo y gracias de nuevo!
How much yamaha yas 32
In Portugal about 1600 Eur new . ., used 1000 Eur...
I have a yas 32 as well but I don't seem to get the jazzy sound that I want like how you're playing. Im using a yamaha 4c since im a beginner. What would you suggest as a mouthpiece for a jazzy sound?
There are a lot. Beechler is great, also Barkley, Meyer, Claude Lakey, Vandoren, Guardala, Lebayle..
Vandoren jumbo java 45👍
En dinero mexicano como cuanto cuesta ese?
Carlos de la rosa cuál de los 3?
La verdad no tengo los costos pero los Selmer Mark VII superan los $30,000, y los VI arriba de los 50. El Yamaha nuevo debe rondar los 30,000 también. Saludos
O Mark VII percebe se uma inconstância na afinação. O Mark VI bem superior em relação ao Mark VII em sonoridade e afinação. Yamaha 32 levemente mais Brilhante que os demais bem afinado. Porém o sax bem indicado pra música moderna Pop
Exacto!
@@JavierCavacini , não se esqueçam que estes saxofones dos anos 50, 60 , até inicio de 1980, eram todos feitos à mão , pelo que comparações de 2 sax, são mto relativas, e tb há determinadas boquilhas que casam mais com um sax do que outras, até metal versus ebonite, há bons mark 6 e bons mark 7 assim como mark 6 menos bons e mark 7 menos bons também . .
Eu falo por experiencia própria, tenho um super afinado YTS 32 de 1990, que não sei como, o afinador não sai do verde do Fá # agudo ao Sib Grave.. mas por outro lado não tem a profundidade de graves nem ressonancia de timbre de metal, nem projeccão de som do meu Tenor Mark 7 de 1980 .
Topp
yamaha32 with selmer neck is better ？
Tenor neck Selmer Mk 7 does not fit in Yamaha Yts 32
Should have played the exact same material each time. Same tempo. :)
o jeito é ir tocando com o meu Conn 21m kkkkk é o que tem pra hoje.
E toca muito bem! 😉
Hola! con qué boquilla tocas el yamaha? Saludos!
Jorge Guiñez Hola Jorge. Es una Bari Gold WT II. Saludos!
3 different sax in any ways...
.......the same thing......the rest....
....the obsession with the Selmer saxes.....
They sound pretty similar, yes. Thanks!
Hola amigos. Son altos o tenores. ?
Hiram Barrios alto los 3
The tonal difference isn't great enough to warrant such a huge price difference. I bet if you didn't show the sax you were playing no one would be able to guess which is which.
true!
altho for me the yam was the brightest out of the bunch .....the mk6 swung it for me ...but in all honesty i agree with zippity plus with all the zillion effects people seem to play thru today without seeing them ...i dont think anybody could actually tell one from the other .......great playing by the way .....
Un Yamaha Yas 32 logo purpura de los 80s suena mucho mejor que los Selmer MVI
Não concordo muito consigo, os yamahas realmente são bons saxofones, tenho um Yts 32 de 1990 super afinado, mas os saxofones mais recentes perdem muita qualidade sonora o timbre é mais pobre e brilhante , são todos mto mais parecidos, mais homogeneos, mas isso tb acontece com os Selmer mais novos, o tipo de metal do passado tem outras caracteristicas de ressonancia que os sax de hoje não têm, eu tenho um Selmer SA 80 de 2006, e o tipo de metal é mto diferente do meu Tenor Mark 7 de 1980, não tem NADA a vêr, parecem de marcas diferentes ...
What mouthpiece did you use?
Mouthpiece BARI WT II 7
What do you think about yamaha yas 32 its good?
BAD BOYS great saxophone. Amazing sound for a semi pro. Really worth while.
@@JavierCavacini , yes I have a Tenor 32 from 1990 its very very, good . .
@@ruicalcada1664 Me too. Love my tenors. With the right mouthpiece and reed I like the Yamaha's more than my MKVI. Sorry.
On my laptop speaker, they all sound the same.
Try to hear with better speakers. Anyway, a lot of people liked the semi pro Yamaha. It´s also a great sax.
Yamaha es mas oscuro?
Yo siento el Yamaha un poco más brillante y con menos armónicos, pero es mi percepción. Muchas gracias por comentar!
Esta muy bueno, te felicito, sabrías decirme si existen diferencias entre los yts 31 y 32?? Gracias! Pregunto por que quería comprar uno de esos.
Estaría bueno que los pruebes a los saxos pero con sonido al natural, sin micrófonos, igual esta muy bueno. 👌
Los 31 no los conozco. Los 32 son modelos semiprofesionales (en EEUU se llama 52 y en Europa 32). Están muy bien la verdad pero no llegan al sonido del 62 (sobre todo los viejos) o de los Selmer. De todas formas el sonido está en uno y es mejor empezar con algo intermedio para que luego aprecies más si tocas uno profesional.
Pronto haré más videos :)
Gracias, saludos!
Gracias a vos, se que es mas viejo el 31 que el 32, pero no se nada mas.
Gracias!.
@@JavierCavacini , los modelos 31 and 61 son los melhores sax de la Yamaha, anterior a los 32 e 62 sucessivamente. há quien los prefira a los 32 e 62 . . .
Quem fala Selmer é porque não sabe o que está falando. O Yamaha intermediário é mais afinado e brigou de igual para igual com os modelos pro da Selmer. Yamaha melhor. E deixem da fanatismo por marcas!!!!
Yamaha es un gran sax, incluso los intermedios. Gracias por tu comentario!
@@JavierCavacini vou propor uma ideia. Fazer as comparações sem pôr as marcas e modelos dos saxes. Depois que bastante gente escolher dai apresenta as marcas dos saxes. Duvido que vai haver tanta escolhas iguais e tendenciosas... Obrigado pelas comparações. Abraços!!!
@@flowerlonely1983 exacto! Gracias 😀
Gatp Brabo, desculpa discordar de ti, mas em quantos Selmer já tocaste até hoje ???
o yamaha 32 é um pouco mais brilhante, tenho um Yts 32 dos anos 90 e é super afinado, mas não tem tanta projeccão, nem timbre do que o meu Tenor Mark 7 de 1980, o yamaha não tem graves tão profundos, embora seja um bom saxofone, e como disse mto afinado, inclusivé mais afinado que o meu Mark 7 Tenor , as chaves mais suaves e macias, no entanto não têm tanta ressonancia no metal . .como o mark 7 .
São saxofones diferentes com caracteristicas diferentes, mas desculpa nada tem a ver com marcas tem a ver com qualidade de timbre, os King também são excelentes saxofones, os Conn 10 M, os Martin Comité , os SML . . .tens excelentes saxofones sem ser Selmer, mas os Selmer tb não são todos iguais são instrumentos feitos à mão em 1950, 1960 até 1980, tens alguns melhores e alguns menos bons . . .
@@ruicalcada1664 Desculpa ae cara, foi o meu pai que falou por aqui, eu falo pra ele parar de comentar com a minha conta mas ele é mt cabeça dura. Inclusive, ele é o unico em casa que toca saxofone, mas ele disse que já tocou mts saxofones. Se quiser, eu chamo ele aqui pra conversar contigo
El Yamaha suena más parejo en todo el registro . Me hubiese gustado escuchar un Custom " En mi opinión es superior en todo. .
Gracias por tu opinión! Tuve varios años el Custom EX875 y suena tremendo. Comparado a los Selmer, el Custom (a mi entender) tiene un sonido más brillante, cálido y más controlado. De todas formas, yo sigo priorizando la calidad de sonido que brindan los armónicos, y no encontré nada aún parecido al Mark VI. Saludos!
Ok ! si , a mi entender ... los Selmer Añejos tienen ese timbre particular que se lo da los años de estar sonando . Habría que ver los Custom "como sonaran dentro de 50 Años"" Intuyo que los superará ampliamente a los ya conocidos Selmer MarkVI. Saludos cordiales .
Excelente punto! no lo había pensado de esa forma. Ya veremos en unos años. Un abrazo y gracias por compartir tu opinión. Saludos!
Art Busker son Todos Buenos pero el Tema es el sonido qué buscas no por tener UN Mark vi SOS el Mejor. cada Uno busca su sax y su caña y boquilla a su gusto.yo Creo qué en general lo Bueno es tener UN buen instrumento pero a la vez ser equitativos.saludos
Exacto !!! a ese nivel es cuestión de gusto personal .
Sorry this test has no point! Test without sound effects
Same process for all the saxophones. You can hear the difference with the SAME process on all of them.
7 too bright, 6 is great, yam sounds basic...
Aren’t you comparing pro saxes against the Yamaha non-pro model? You’re comparing a $5,000.00+ MkVI against a $900.00 Yamaha. Why don’t you grab a 875ex ii or and 82Z...or the Atelier model? Better yet, grab a Yanagisawa AW020 or silver model. Apples and oranges and even at that the Yamaha ripped.
Well, first of all, these are the saxes available for me to record. Second, I wanted to notice that even a semi pro sax can compite with the best saxophones also. There are differences, of course, but if you read the comments, there are even people who prefer Yamaha. That´s the key: comparing a $5,000 sax with a $900.
@@JavierCavacini , ok people that like britless sound. . .