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On this week's video, Jim Cheek from sax.co.uk tries to tempt me to the dark side and abandon my trusty vintage Selmer Mark 6 tenor in favour of a top of the range modern sax. I back-to-back my usual Mark VI with the Selmer Paris Reference 36, the Yamaha Custom YTS-82Z, the Signature Custom Raw XS and the Yanagisawa TWO20. It's a vintage versus modern shootout and you might be surprised what happens!
Incidentally, i forgot to say on the video - my reed was a synthetic D’Addario Venn 2.5 and my mouthpiece Is a vinage Otto Link 8.
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00:00 Intro
00:17 Theme Music
00:23 About the video
00:55 Jamie's Mark VI gets an overhaul
01:26 "The Temptation of Jamie"
02:28 The Saxes
04:09 Jamie's Mark VI
05:55 Selmer Paris Reference 36
08:05 Yamaha Custom YTS-82Z
10:00 Signature Custom Raw XS
11:59 Yanigisawa TWO20
13:28 Signature Custom Raw XS - Take 2
14:19 Jamie's Mark VI - Take 2
15:03 Conclusions
17:12 Outtro
18:20 End music & Better Sax "Play Test"
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I felt the Raw XS sounded every bit as good as your selmer. Im 74 yr old & play a 1965 mark 6 alto. As a matter of fact the high notes sounded better on the Raw xs than the selmer, but the mid range was fuller & more jazz sounding on the selmer. low end was equal. Selmer is still at the top but now has a equal. Oh yea i still love to play but my arthartis wont let me articulate as fast anymore. U better get a raw if you can afford oneas after u get use to it i believe it will be your 2nd lady.
Great to meet you, Jamie! It was a pleasure to have you down at the store and we hope to make some more content with you again soon!
Can you open a store like yours in the states? Pleeeeeze.....specifically, in Idaho...yes, we love potatoes, but there are many sax addicts here too :)
Thanks for having me! Well up for videos anytime!
@@superjay6167 I haven’t tried that Yamaha.
Your Mark Vi is definitely the perfect fit for you! I thought the same, the Custom was second, similar but without as much warmth and body as your 6. I agree, Yanigasawas always feel awful when I play them. I feel like I can't get any air through them. As a P. Mauriat guy, it would have been cool to hear you play on one of those as well. Great content as usual!
Hey Scott. I was thinking of you when I looked at the PMs. I tried one on alto and it didn’t feel like a perfect fit for me. Not sure why. Hard to say though in such a short time. I WAS trying a Selmer Supreme and a cigar cutter before that and they were drastically different from the P! Didn’t try a P tenor. I’ll do that next time, I know you swear by them!
Wow that Signature Custom just sounds amazing!
I think so too!
Jamie, you are a genius and I thank you for the desire you put into your videos, I started studying when I was great and I love the information you give and the selfless attitude, a big hug from Lanús Argentina.
Thanks so much 👍🏻
All horns sounded amazing with you on the end of them . I think your own mk vi just had the edge . Which tells me , pick a horn you personally love and learn to know it . Thanks Jamie , great video . 😍
Thanks for that! 🙏🏻
Great fun video Jamie! Just goes to show that we all have a certain sound in our heads which we are striving towards. I've always liked a tight contemporary sound and have been a Yamaha guy forever so, of course, I liked you on the Custom Z best!
Great point!
I will always appreciate any presentation with prices quoted more than any without. Keep up the good work gentlemen.
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Great video! I loved hearing the comparisons and I enjoy the collaboration.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Hi Jamie, i have only just started to learn to play tenor, but when I do eventually up grade i think that the sig custom would be my choice. Thank you for taking the time to demo the saxes for all of us out here. Also thank you to Jim.
Cheers, Martin.
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Jamie, the Sig. Custom did it for me. Gorgeous. Could listen to you play it forever!
Thanks Ian!
Me too
I agree!
I was at Sax shop in January looking at a potential new sax for next year when I retire. Your timing is spot on and helps me when I have to decide what to get .The signature stood out amongst the new sax’s you tried 👌
Yes, though you have to try them for yourself. Each of us is different.
@@GetYourSaxTogether Yes. They said to take my mouthpiece. Nice to see you play them. I won’t be playing like that 😁
Stunning playing as always Jamie and I agree with you that the nearest sound to your Mk 6 was definitely the Signature Raw.
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Watching again after a fee months. Sig Custom really puts the mic into your body. You sound better on this than just about anyone I've heard on Saxophone. Transparent and open with no outward boundaries. I am a Hi-Fi geek.
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I had the same impression myself.
Having a chat with Lewis is always well worth your visit, such a great personality.
Thanks Javier!
That was a great comparison show Jamie and Jim. I’ll be honest I’ve had the Yani Alto AW020 for a year and love it but looking to another Tenor from my Selmer S80-II and the Ref 36 grabbed my attention. Jamie you sounded amazing on the Sig!
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The Sig Custom definitely was the best value. I liked the sound you got out of the 82Z, nice and bright. Thx for sharing!
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Jamie, thank you for this video it really helps. I have a battered MKVI 1969 with high F# I just love the action it has but I'm always tempted to try a different horn, this video answers many of my questions. Thanks
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Love listening to you play 🎷
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In high school, as a beginner, I was fortunate enough to get a 1982 model Yanigisawa T-880. I always loved it because it was just what I knew. I learned to tame a beasty Berg on it for everything from marching, to concert, to jazz ensembles. I had high anticipation for what that modern Yani would do with you playing. And it was interesting to hear how it immediately didn't vibe with you like the others did. Makes me wonder what MY sound would be like trying them all out. Fun video and thanks for this neat take.
Thanks! 🙏🏻
Great video, Jamie! That Signature Custom in your hands was a thrill!
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Keep your selmer sounds awesome, the ref 36 a close second followed by the custom z. Great video😁👍
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A great shop and helpful team. I bought my Selmer USA Liberty Alto from them, which I started learning on 6 months ago :)
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Jeez, the man can play !! Never heard you like this. Nice to have a video like this once in a while, where you ad-lib.
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Jamie, YOU do the sound. Almost no matter which sax you're playing with, it always sounds like you... and I love it!!!
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Sooooo true! ❤️❤️😘
Oh, yes indeed, your sound is in your head. 🙂
After listening to the two horns (Sig and Selmer) played back to back, and twenty times. The emotions the Sig produces are so much more poignant and intense. As if the horn is crying, so very passionately. The Selmer has a more sorrow forlorn feel. A sense of longing. Like a wistful distant memory. A fairy-tale. Amazing truly.
Wow, super emotive descriptions man! Hope you're well, take it easy. :-)
The Sigg custom was hands above any of the other horns. I thought all horn sounded the same more or less. This one was entirely distinctive. I would be proud on that horn.
That first solo blast man, what a lovely wild thing!
On my honor, it raised the hairs on my everything!!
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That Signature Custom had a really warm dark sound that I loved
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there are lots of videos with saxophonisits campairing different saxes. They flatten all the saxes they play, making them sound like themselves..
I think this was the first time a sax player, made the horns sound like their natural sound. Great job.
For the history, the signature horn is born for you.
Thanks!
Love this! You sounded amazing on them all but I thought the newer Selmer sounded best compared to your Mark VI🎷
I’ve got the Yamaha Custom tenor 82Z unlaquered and although I’m no pro at all, I love it’s absolute consistency and the fact that when it has a service there’s nothing to do but clean it up a bit! 😘
Thanks Lisa!
The Sig custom was the stand out for me, at a great price to! As soon as you blew the first phrase, it had that sound that I liken to melted chocolate! Build quality would be your issue, your horn gets so much use. If it can handle the heat, I think it’s a sure bet.
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Hi Jamie. Love this video. I love that you recorded it with no frills too so I listened to the whole thing also with no frills, just using my iPhone speaker. I too play a Mark vi, a 1964 model and I love it. You know I’ve written to you before and I’m a classical flute player who took up bass in my teens and sax in my 20’s. I don’t consider myself a great sax player but I’m certainly a very adequate sax player. My advantage is that I have a great understanding of music theoretically. Anyway, to the play test. The Reference 36 sounded really nice. The Yamaha surprised me, it sounds great. I had a very old Yamaha student model for years before my Selmer and it served me well but that one you played sounds fantastic. I was told once by James Galway to get a decent flute when I had a Yamaha pro model but even that didn’t change my opinion in the one you just played!! The Yani just did not float my boat at all. The Raw sounds amazing over the phone. Out of the four you demonstrated I would rate the sound in order of preference: 1. Raw 2. Selmer reference 36 3. Yamaha 4. Yanigasawa. Finally though, when you played the Mark vi against the Raw (bear in mind that I was listening as I shaved, I had no glasses on and went by phone speaker sound only; I had to watch back with glasses so I could comment honestly), as soon as you played the Mark vi I heard the sound that I heard the first time I played mine; I felt like I had just come home. I would, on the strength of your video, strongly consider having a Raw as a stand by instrument. The bonus is it’s the most affordable of them all. I have several basses and several flutes, all waiting for the day that my good ones let me down but I’ve only one soprano, alto snd tenor. My soprano and alto are both Hanson instruments and are beautiful affordable instruments, you should try them sometime. Final thought. The Mark vi is still the cream to my ears. Thanks for the video!
Thanks Kieran 👍
Great video, Jamie. The MkVI has a classic sweet tone all around. It's the winner for me. The Yamaha had a very smooth even sound but less texture. The Signature was my choice for a close second to the MkVI. 👍🎷
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It's the good ol' human emotion 'sentimentality'.
Allows you to ignore the improvements revolutionising the
instrument manufacture and stick to good ol' reliable drum brakes.
I love your sound on all of those horns!
Thanks!
Great Video! My favorite is the old mark VI. I Think it has a special sound on it and I really like the look of these old horns. I’d love to see such a video with more affordable beginner saxes. I think it would really help to make a choice in terms of: what is the right sax for me to start. Thanks for the videos! :)
Good suggestion. Thanks!
Great video. You sounded great on all of them of course. That Mark VI is YOU. The Signature Custom sounded as good as the Mark VI to my ears. That will definitely be one to consider when I get ready for a tenor. Thanks for all you do.
Call me suspisious but do you think we are all blind with the moving the "P", really? 🤣😂🤣
Thanks "Enis" ! 😉
@@sands11ify You would be surprised at the people that don't catch that.
I would be grinning ear to ear if I had that Signature Custom. It gives me tingles!
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Very interesting, thank you both for doing this! The Yani sounded best here for me :-D
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Looks like you guys had a bit of fun ! Cool video guys
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would have loved to hear you play the ref 54. Removing your Mk VI from the equation, the ref 36 came out on top for me, you made it sing, and it looked easy to play (sorry you always make it look easy - awesome as always :-)
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Love the sound match between your Selmer and the Signature Custom
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Great vid Jamie. I agree your mk 6 had an edge, probably down to how well you know it but the custom and new selmer sounded great. The yany was a bit bright for me
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That Raw XS was legit. Awesome sound, closest to the VI. Great price point. You liked it, I heard the different bop runs you didn’t do on the others.
Okay cool. Thanks 🙏🏻
This was a great video for me. A great bunch of horns played. The Reference 36 is a great sounding sax. I have the Custom Raw XS and I really like it a lot! Jamie got a great sound out of it.
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Jamie, your sound on your Mark VI sounds awesome! It definitely plays like it is an extension of you. I would have liked a Mark VI but just didn't want to invest the time in finding that one I would have been happy with. That vintage Otto Link I am sure plays a big part of your set up also. I have the Otto Link 100th Anniversary mouthpiece with a Hartmann Black Onyx on my Raw XS sax. I tried both the original Venn and the new version 2 and I just couldn't get the sound I wanted with it. I was very lucky to receive an Otto link that was actually made really well. Still think you got an amazing sound out of the Raw XS. It gives me hope 🙂
Great comparison! Best I’ve seen that definitely showed the sound differences between horns and an honest verbal description of the differences. I agreed with your conclusions. I liked the “Sig” sound as well. What is a Sig and who makes it, what model was that? Do you need laquor to preserve a horn’s finish? Thanks.
Not sure about the finish, but it’s basically made by Trevor James I believe.
Hi yes, I agree, the Sig sounds great, I have the Jannie two, twenty, and I love the sound, perfect for me, I have played a mk6 maybe it was me (more than likely)or I was in shock at the price , can't blame the horn though but I don't think I'll be changing any time soon, but if I could I'd love to try the signature.😎
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nice comparison....very interesting. On tenor I live the Mode brighter Sound 'cause of the lower frequencies the tenor has...that's been said for me it's the Yamaha 82Z. After excessive testing I gave away my silver Mark VI tenor for the 82Z....I love it
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I thought for sure you would really go for the TWO20. I liked your sound on that horn the best. Of course, I'm a bit biased. While I've never played a Mark VI, I play and absolutely love my TWO20 (over modern Selmers and Yamahas). Fun video! Thanks for doing it.
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You sound amazing on all of them, but so at home on your own horn. What a beautiful shop
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I bought my Reference 36 about 22 years ago. Love it. I'd spent a full day in the shop with an array of tenors, fully expecting to walk away with a Yanagisawa
Despite what you & Jim said, I could hear distinct differences - I thought you sounded best on the 36, then your MK6, then the Signature Custom Raw XS.
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You should absolutely try the 36 for a while
Wondrous job man! you sound so good in every horn. To give you an idea your horn would be 202,200.86 Lempiras in my country. A fortune...
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I like the sound from that RAWX6 wow that sound was mild and deepish you had all of them singing a great sound from all of them
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Thanks for such amazing and rare trial. I'm an happy owner of Ref 36.. so my preferred :-)
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Hi Jamie, really loved the "shot out". It was clear from the sound coming through the laptop that the Yani didn't gell. Personally I thought the sound of the Selmer Ref 36 was more "you" than the Signature Raw XS, but "bang for buck" the Raw XS would win out.
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I sold my MK V1 52 years ago and ALWAYS regetted it.... for me Jamie the MK V1 is the one for you ! even though you looked tempted....Very enjoyable video with you and Jim :) Thank you X
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I love the fact you let every sax sound different.
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That signature custom Raw XS sounds AMAZING
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Beautiful playing Jamie. Made me want to switch from my alto to a tenor.
Make your alto sing 😎
You sound great on all of them. Could tell you enjoyed playing both Selmers and the TJ SG a bit more. Getting a dirty sound on the SG - like a George Thorogood sound. Love it.
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Loved the sound from the RAW XS signature custom
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I think you sounded even better on that signature!!!!! Beast!!!!!!!
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Loved the Raw XS sound - very similar to you on the MarkVI
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Wow! The Signature was (to my ears) very close to your Mark VI, Jamie. Thanks for the comparisons, guys!
Our pleasure!
Very interesting. The Selmer Reference sounded amazing but the Sig Custom was exceptional. It had a unique sound to it. Like you, I worry about my vintage Yamaha tenor and generally use my back-up because there's always someone who manages to bash our saxes with a guitar or something!
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I think they all sounded great but the signature custom sounded like you had a really good connection with it.
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I'm just a newbie... as for as I could tell, they all sounded awesome. But your Selmer 6 I thought topped them all !!!
Cool, thanks!
I’m a new huge fan of yours. I don’t play sax. I play guitar. So it was very interesting to me to hear the different saxes. And you might be interested in the reactions of someone who doesn’t play sax. I’m just reacting to the TONE you produced. I love the tone of your old Selmer. My favorite sax players get a tone similar to yours on this instrument. Rich, full, and gorgeous! My second favorite was the Signature Custom. It was closest to the tone of your old Selmer. My third favorite was the Yanagisawa. I think it sounded a little brighter and not as full, but beautiful. My fourth favorite = the Yamaha, which sounded even brighter than the Yanagisawa. It’s a fantastic sound, and it might work great in a mix where you want more prominence. But it doesn’t have the depth of your old Selmer. My fifth favorite was the new Selmer, which surprised me. It just didn’t sound as good as the others. Not as full; not as bright; and what was there just didn’t sound as interesting. I’m thrilled to have your window into the world of sax players. I appreciate your restraint. If you were a guitar player, you’d own all of them and play only one of them. So many guitar players have at least 20 guitars and never play 17 of them - haha! Thanks!
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I totally agree with you ! Same ranking, same reasons. I have a The Martin from 1926 myself. But I really like the sound of the Signature Custom. Real fat sound for a small price in comparison to a new Selmer.
I’m pleased to know there are great alternatives to the Mark VI. I really liked the Signature Custom for you, as good as your Mark VI. If you Mark VI wears out, buy that one. You’d have it really singing in no time.
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The Sig custom sounded great , the low end was amazing ..
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Love this video!
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The Sig raw really was fantastic. Go for it!
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First video of yours I've seen, really enjoyed it and your great tenor playing! It was also encouraging for me to hear horns at half the price of the Mark VI that played so well! btw, I'm a clarinetist doubler who likes the Yani horns (I have a pre-Yani Martin alto with the Yani stamp on it and the Yani neck), and hearing your comments about what it was you didn't like about it, as well as comments below this video, I wonder if it's because it's not as free-blowing? I like that mine isn't....makes it feel more like clarinet to me, and I use a classical set-up (except for the softer reeds) on alto, because I play in a 40s swing band and do all the Benny Goodman/Artie Shaw solos. Anyway, I subscribed and will be checking out more of your videos now. Thank you!
Thanks and welcome to the channel Elise!
If I were you, i would have thought more about buying that Signature Custom Raw XS. You sounded really great on that!!! Expecially in the high and altissimo range... Maaaaan!!!! It was unreal
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I liked your sound on the 82z the most!
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The 36 sounds like money. Just a quality sound and a no compromise mechanism with no noise. The unlaquered xs has no veil obscuring the sound of the raw brass. Maybe thin at first, but like a condenser mic, you have to be a good singer to use it. I like it. Great sax to hear what you are really doing. Especially with playback. My background is electronics and Hi-Fi..And starting sax again..
Thanks Morris!
Jim can take any one of those saxophones and do a show and still get a standing ovation
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Hey Jamie, great demo. My personal preference of the modern horns was the Ref 36. But I'm surprised you weren't offered a Ref 54 to try out as well. But in the end.....keep the 6. LOL. I'm very biased since I have a very late model 6 myself, quite close to your serial number. Thanks for sharing your experience.
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I liked the Selmer Reference 36 - waaay best of all of the modern horns! 😃 - So warm, round, full and - shiny!! 😆🎷
Thanks Mikkel (😉- Larry)
Great vid; love your playing. I so wanted the Mk VI to win out, as I have one, and it just about did, but if I were buying, I’d be overjoyed to have the Sig Custom Raw XS at half the price! Definitely a close 2nd for me, just above the Ref36. And as you admitted, you know your the MkVI, and that makes a huge difference.
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Great playing ! Mark 6 is your baby. Signature for some rock saxophone
Ref 36 not bad at all
Keep up the good work
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The Signature model was the one that just stood out head and shoulders above the others. I could see at some points you were being a bit gingery about how much air to use but that always takes time with any new instrument. Also the intonation too takes a long time. I’ve recently renewed my Eb clarinet and it’s so different to the old one but the potential and sound that I got right out of the first play on it just blew me away ….. did try others but instead of referencing my old one it was referenced against the Patricola that I’d just tried. …. It just for and the sound is amazing !! I hope you may be tempted as that Signature Sax just sounds amazing and after a few weeks/months, like you said, you will get to know the difference in blowing, it’s intonation soft spots etc etc …. Then you will have almost a reborn sound that’s allowing more of you to be heard as the new horn is so much more responsive and attuned to your sound too. It was an eye opener for sure. The Selmer 26 was a close second but the Selmer you have would be a sandwich between them on sound etc too
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Your Mark 6 is great but everytime I hear a Ref 36 I’m always left feeling Wow! Those Ref 36 are legit for sure.
Agreed!
Great Video Jamie Thanks.
I think the Sig Custom is your Horn next to MVI. The Reference gives you a little more jazzy darker Sound. But the Yanagisawa is really not your Horn. 😉
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I hope one day I,am in London and go to this amazing Store. I,am in Heaven.
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I got the Trevor James SC Raw very happy with it
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Interesting comparison! The Custom seemed to really suit your sound!
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So...obviously the Mark VI sounds great, it has a classic sound for sure. The Ref 36 had a nice roundness to the sound but the Sig Custom...it had punch but also had a really fat sound as well so I'd go with that one - sounded epic!
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Great video Jamie. Fantastic playing and sound!
IMO your Mk 6 sounded best, then Sig custom raw a close 2nd, followed by Selmer ref 36. Yamaha and Yani not so good surprisingly. Thanks
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Although the gentleman did not feel at home with Yanagisawa, that saxophone had a way better intonation than MarkVI and Signature RAW. Which in itself leads to the different type of sound and response. It's the many flaws that MarkVI has (and which the player must overcome) that lend its unique "edge" in genres like rock'n'roll, pop and post-bebop jazz.
You sounded great on the 36 the sig custom and the mark vi. Very interesting how subtly different you sounded on them.
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I think your Mark VI still won the day! The Signature sounded pretty good also.
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Jamie can take any one of those saxophones and do a show and still get a standing ovation
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Thanks for sharing your videos! That Sig Custom ROCKS! I would love to have a listen of you playing along side with a backing track for a better comparison of your Mark VI and the Sig Custom! ??
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Your best sound was on the Ref.36, to my ears.
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I have a Selmer mark6 circa 1971, It's the best tenor I've had and I've had a Mauriat 67R a Selmer Mark 2 and Mark3 and a Yamaha.
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Like most of the previous comments, I thought you sounded great on both your Mk VI and the Sig Custom XS. I've owned and played a late model Mark VI (similar serial number to yours) for at least the last ten years. I've owned a Yamaha 82Z and a Selmer Reference 36 and prefer my Mark VI to either of them. However, I've recently bought an Andy Sheppard Autograph limited edition tenor. My understanding is that it's based on the Signature Custom but it just has more. And to my ears it has some of the stardust you spoke of. It really sings/screams, particularly when you push more air through it. I love it, and for the time being anyway my Mark VI is in it's case (although I won't be rushing to sell it!). I'd recommend you give the Andy Sheppard Autograph a try....
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Really liked thé signature custom !
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These Sig Customs have an absolutely amazing tone for the price that they come with. Unbeatable in its price category I feel :)
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The Sig custom sounds great, would be perfect for taking out and not worry…
For sure.
I´ve got my Selmer MVI (1957) Tenor since I started to play when I was 17 years old. I've always, as you, been scared that it should be stolen. Now I know that I, in that case, can buy me a new horn. Thank you for that 🙂
Let's hope it's never stolen! Make sure you keep the serial number in a safe place, just in case!
They are INCREDIBLE like i thought "oh yeah these are gunna sound the same" oh how wrong i was
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What do I think? I think you're a monster player ... no doubt. Really great to hear you let rip! I liked the TJ Raw. (I play an alto version, so biased probably). And I loved the smokey Selmer 36. 3rd was the Yamaha and bringing up the rear with a loose shoe and a reluctant jockey was the Yanagisawa. That was fun! Jamie and Jim!
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