Nice collection of data, thank you for your effort to collect it. I have been doing a similar collection for my commute to work and back (3 segments, ‘country’, highway, city) and made an Excel template to collect mpg on the fly but sometimes forget to reset and record at the milestone 🤦♂️. I can appreciate how hard it is to keep the test conditions consistent in real life. 👍 Would love to see you add to your data collection, especially as temperatures rise. Cold temps decrease mpg in my car notably. Graphing the averages would be a great way to summarize.
Thank you so much for your analyses! Your designs & parameters are cleanly laid out. The 65mpg sweet spot works well where I live near Buffalo (speed limits here 55-65mph tops). My 2023 OBW is plenty adequate for the potholes of a decaying New York while getting through our occasionally harsh winters. As a new Subaru owner I must say that you’ve greatly quickened my learning curve. Keep up the awesome work.
My pleasure, I’m so glad you enjoyed the video. It sounds like you live in a great spot to own a Wilderness! I definitely don’t know everything about Subarus, but whatever I have learned I like to share. 🙂
Good experiment. Everyone, please add your MPG data to the Fuelly website. The Outback Wilderness category needs more data from owners so we can see the overall average.
Yeah, it certainly is pretty extreme! I usually assume if I need to go 80mph that I’ll likely get 21-22MPG, and if I’m going 65mph I’ll probably get 27-29mpg. Which over an 18.5 gallon tank that well over a 100 mile difference, or 4+ gallons saved/wasted! 🧐
I have a 40 minute commute each way to work, and take back roads, around 40-50 mph speed most of the way. The best Ive gotten in my subaru forester is 37-39 mpg, but on the highway at 75 mph it is around 30mpg in general. I think wind resistance and drag go up exponentially as you go faster, so as you have demonstrated, there is a big difference between 55 and 70 mph!
Thanks for sharing the MPGs you’ve seen in your Forester! Yeah, unfortunately increasing speed exponentially decreases MPG, rather than an it decreasing linearly as speed increases. 🫠
My Outback XT after 7000 miles of driving is averaging 20.5 MPG. About 75% of miles were city driving. I am located in Wisconsin where winter gas is used from October through April.
I have a base driving around town with auto start stop off... hitting red lights and stuff I'm only getting 18 mpg just took a road trip about 200 miles in Florida basically flat cruise control on 76 I got 30 mpg no where the 26/32 they claim but I still like the car.
The factor that I think gets overlooked when determining what kind of gas mileage your car is getting is the wind. If you're driving 60 mph into the wind, I think your mileage will be worse than driving 80 mph with the wind at your back. If it is a significant breeze. The Outback can get really good gas mileage. My 2024 Outback with the 2.5 has averaged 34.2 mpg over the life of the car about 6500 miles, in all kinds of driving, including some off-road driving that really takes a big hit off the averages I do drive slow on the freeway, about 65 mph. And take it easy in city driving.
Wind does play a huge role! I should have included a graph to show how non linear and quickened the drag increases to speed increases. But 34.2mpg average is your 2.5L is quite good. Thanks for sharing your experiences. 🙂
Or ethanol free! Also I wonder how well one of these could do with a powertrain tune, but I’m not going to risk the reliability now that this is my only daily driver haha. 😅
@@AutomotiveAnonymous208 they just need to put a twin turbo v6 in it and call it done lol. I don’t think you can do ethanol free can you?? Also, ethanol free is so expensive where I am. It’s over $4/gal and I can get unleaded 88 for $2.72/gal. I literally just checked lol.
The one thing I am disappointed about is the actual city MPG I’m getting in my 2024 Outback Limited with 2.5 engine. While I can get up to 30 MPG on the highway at 70 MPH I’m only getting 22.3 MPG average in city driving. Well below the EPA claim of 27MPG city!
Thanks for sharing what your experience has been with the 2.5! It seems many people have had that concern of getting well below rated mpg for city/town driving. 😟
IVE GOT A WRX WITH THE SAME ENGINE AND IM CURIOUS WHAT YOUR EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN WITH USING THE 87 OCTANE AS OPPOSED TO HIGHER OCTANE LIKE 93? IVE BEEN USING 93 BUT IF I COULD GET AWAY WITH 87 EVERY ONCE IN AWHILE MAY BE A GOOD WAY TO SAVE MONEY BY ALTERNATING TO LOWER OCTANE SAY LIKE DURING WINTER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT
I stopped carrying a couple years ago about putting premium fuel in cars that don’t require it. Thankfully the Outback turbo is tuned for 87 as it’s a high volume mass vehicle, u like your more sports car tuned version of the engine with slightly different power numbers. Personally I couldn’t recommend anything other than what the manufacturer recommends. Although you likely could talk to a reputable tuner who’s knowledgeable on this current gen 2.4 engine and get their third party opinion on how the engine pulls timing and is or isn’t safe with mid grade. Best of luck!
The gearing and height kills its highway cruise speed. One thing to note on the FA24DIT they are very sensitive to oil type and life. Early life sub 1000 miles MPG is worse that's normal for most cars but these are just terrible! Factory US spec calls for 0-20 which after using 0-20 it doesn't survive very long with a turbo moving to 5-30 has been much better. Runs quieter only small hit to MPG but a lot longer life cycle between changes. Put 3100lbs behind the OBW and as long as it's below roof line she averages 21MPG mixed. Not sure how you guys get 24+ I drive like an old man keeping it under 2k rpm in when speeding up. Best ever was a 900mile road trip and that was 23 at 75 with most of it flat and was using 0-20 and 38psi front 32 rear. Total average for me is 21.5.
My personal best was 6.29 true time or 6.03 without the first foot of rollout counted. I’ve never gotten another turbo Outback to beat my own PB time and I’ve tested probably 20 others lol.
Yeah, those turbo 30’s are quick! My Outback did a 14.65 at just about 95 was its best. I’ve only ran that a couple times when I first got it. Honestly, I was pretty impressed with a mid 14. The density altitude was probably around 2-2.5k that day.
the best MPG I got was 82 mpg (according to the car ) one tank coming back from fishing, I had an 85 lbs kayak strapped to the roof and I was going from Warm Lake Idaho back home around Boise. all down hill😂😂😂😂
Nice collection of data, thank you for your effort to collect it. I have been doing a similar collection for my commute to work and back (3 segments, ‘country’, highway, city) and made an Excel template to collect mpg on the fly but sometimes forget to reset and record at the milestone 🤦♂️. I can appreciate how hard it is to keep the test conditions consistent in real life. 👍 Would love to see you add to your data collection, especially as temperatures rise. Cold temps decrease mpg in my car notably. Graphing the averages would be a great way to summarize.
Thank you so much for your analyses! Your designs & parameters are cleanly laid out. The 65mpg sweet spot works well where I live near Buffalo (speed limits here 55-65mph tops). My 2023 OBW is plenty adequate for the potholes of a decaying New York while getting through our occasionally harsh winters. As a new Subaru owner I must say that you’ve greatly quickened my learning curve. Keep up the awesome work.
My pleasure, I’m so glad you enjoyed the video. It sounds like you live in a great spot to own a Wilderness! I definitely don’t know everything about Subarus, but whatever I have learned I like to share. 🙂
Some interesting real world numbers. Thank you for doing this.
Of course! Thank you for regularly watching. 🙂
Good experiment.
Everyone, please add your MPG data to the Fuelly website. The Outback Wilderness category needs more data from owners so we can see the overall average.
What an impressive and well executed test. You are a gem and provided so much value for us all.
Wow, the difference between 80 and 65 in mpg was more than I expected!
Yeah, it certainly is pretty extreme! I usually assume if I need to go 80mph that I’ll likely get 21-22MPG, and if I’m going 65mph I’ll probably get 27-29mpg. Which over an 18.5 gallon tank that well over a 100 mile difference, or 4+ gallons saved/wasted! 🧐
I really enjoy your vids. Lots of practicality. Just got my blue OBW yesterday. Really looking forward to getting out there with it. So much tech.
Congrats on your sweet new Subaru! 🙂
@@AutomotiveAnonymous208 Thank you!
I have a 40 minute commute each way to work, and take back roads, around 40-50 mph speed most of the way. The best Ive gotten in my subaru forester is 37-39 mpg, but on the highway at 75 mph it is around 30mpg in general. I think wind resistance and drag go up exponentially as you go faster, so as you have demonstrated, there is a big difference between 55 and 70 mph!
Thanks for sharing the MPGs you’ve seen in your Forester! Yeah, unfortunately increasing speed exponentially decreases MPG, rather than an it decreasing linearly as speed increases. 🫠
My Outback XT after 7000 miles of driving is averaging 20.5 MPG. About 75% of miles were city driving. I am located in Wisconsin where winter gas is used from October through April.
Thanks for sharing this! The turbo Outback’s really don’t do very well around town lol.. 😬
I have a base driving around town with auto start stop off... hitting red lights and stuff I'm only getting 18 mpg just took a road trip about 200 miles in Florida basically flat cruise control on 76 I got 30 mpg no where the 26/32 they claim but I still like the car.
I have a 2023 running between 75 to 80 in the mountains or when I’m in Florida where it’s flat and I’m getting 27.8 mpg the best was 30.9
Nice!! Thanks for sharing this.
The factor that I think gets overlooked when determining what kind of gas mileage your car is getting is the wind. If you're driving 60 mph into the wind, I think your mileage will be worse than driving 80 mph with the wind at your back. If it is a significant breeze. The Outback can get really good gas mileage. My 2024 Outback with the 2.5 has averaged 34.2 mpg over the life of the car about 6500 miles, in all kinds of driving, including some off-road driving that really takes a big hit off the averages I do drive slow on the freeway, about 65 mph. And take it easy in city driving.
Wind does play a huge role! I should have included a graph to show how non linear and quickened the drag increases to speed increases. But 34.2mpg average is your 2.5L is quite good. Thanks for sharing your experiences. 🙂
I’d like to see this with unleaded 88!
Or ethanol free! Also I wonder how well one of these could do with a powertrain tune, but I’m not going to risk the reliability now that this is my only daily driver haha. 😅
@@AutomotiveAnonymous208 they just need to put a twin turbo v6 in it and call it done lol. I don’t think you can do ethanol free can you?? Also, ethanol free is so expensive where I am. It’s over $4/gal and I can get unleaded 88 for $2.72/gal. I literally just checked lol.
If you use HDR, please dont add white background to the text (NEVER!!!). It's like you saw the sun couple times per video... 😎
Sorry about that, thank you for saying something and providing insight!! 😅
The one thing I am disappointed about is the actual city MPG I’m getting in my 2024 Outback Limited with 2.5 engine. While I can get up to 30 MPG on the highway at 70 MPH I’m only getting 22.3 MPG average in city driving. Well below the EPA claim of 27MPG city!
Thanks for sharing what your experience has been with the 2.5! It seems many people have had that concern of getting well below rated mpg for city/town driving. 😟
IVE GOT A WRX WITH THE SAME ENGINE AND IM CURIOUS WHAT YOUR EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN WITH USING THE 87 OCTANE AS OPPOSED TO HIGHER OCTANE LIKE 93? IVE BEEN USING 93 BUT IF I COULD GET AWAY WITH 87 EVERY ONCE IN AWHILE MAY BE A GOOD WAY TO SAVE MONEY BY ALTERNATING TO LOWER OCTANE SAY LIKE DURING WINTER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT
I stopped carrying a couple years ago about putting premium fuel in cars that don’t require it. Thankfully the Outback turbo is tuned for 87 as it’s a high volume mass vehicle, u like your more sports car tuned version of the engine with slightly different power numbers. Personally I couldn’t recommend anything other than what the manufacturer recommends. Although you likely could talk to a reputable tuner who’s knowledgeable on this current gen 2.4 engine and get their third party opinion on how the engine pulls timing and is or isn’t safe with mid grade. Best of luck!
All wilderness is turbo ?
Yup! 👍
The gearing and height kills its highway cruise speed.
One thing to note on the FA24DIT they are very sensitive to oil type and life. Early life sub 1000 miles MPG is worse that's normal for most cars but these are just terrible!
Factory US spec calls for 0-20 which after using 0-20 it doesn't survive very long with a turbo moving to 5-30 has been much better. Runs quieter only small hit to MPG but a lot longer life cycle between changes.
Put 3100lbs behind the OBW and as long as it's below roof line she averages 21MPG mixed.
Not sure how you guys get 24+ I drive like an old man keeping it under 2k rpm in when speeding up. Best ever was a 900mile road trip and that was 23 at 75 with most of it flat and was using 0-20 and 38psi front 32 rear.
Total average for me is 21.5.
Thanks for sharing your insight and own MPG experiences!
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0-60mph how many sec. ?
My personal best was 6.29 true time or 6.03 without the first foot of rollout counted. I’ve never gotten another turbo Outback to beat my own PB time and I’ve tested probably 20 others lol.
@AutomotiveAnonymous208
That is the same as the mazda cx 30 turbo. What about the 1/4 speed and time?
Yeah, those turbo 30’s are quick! My Outback did a 14.65 at just about 95 was its best. I’ve only ran that a couple times when I first got it. Honestly, I was pretty impressed with a mid 14. The density altitude was probably around 2-2.5k that day.
I mostly drive city (chicago) and i can maybe average 18mpgs
These definitely don’t shine in their city MPG. How does it handle Chicago snow?
@AutomotiveAnonymous208 had a 2018 crosstrek before getting the 22 outback and they're both great in the snow. Never had issues here or in Minnesota.
the best MPG I got was 82 mpg (according to the car )
one tank coming back from fishing, I had an 85 lbs kayak strapped to the roof and I was going from Warm Lake Idaho back home around Boise. all down hill😂😂😂😂
Nice! Lol. I hope it was a good fishing trip, although I’m curious what MPG you got on the way up to the lake…😅
50 mph is the best speed for gas mileage ...
Absolutely! It’s amazing that these can get high 30’s around that speed.
Cars fun but the mpg is trash it's like owning a wrx
Yeah, for sure! I’ll post my 24 WRX review soon, super fun car with a 6 speed. But if I owned one of those I doubt I’d even see 20MPG. 😬