Honestly, I felt you was 4K Obsessed yourself. But we need to support all physical media formats as "In the second quarter of 2024, physical disc spending in the U.S. was just over $200 million, which is a nearly 30% decline from the same period in 2023." According to the internet. A 30 percent decline in spending is not good, considering the prices have gone up.
@@megamikethemovieman When inflation is killing us on the day to day necessities like food; spending is going to dip on things like physical media and other non essentials. Prices of titles aren't helping even for those of us fortunate enough to be doing ok financially. Some prices have hit a point where even if you have the extra money you sometimes stop and question the purchase and the value. I think we're also in the middle of a largely unavoidable shift to a collectible driven market for physical media. It's going to be interesting to see how things shake out.
Walmart? Their policies for selling physical media really suck. I bought a 4K that didn't work( it skipped and kept ejecting from my player) they told me the only way I could return (can't even get store credit) a broken disc is to exchange it for another of exactly the same item. Show me and my wife how to search through 3 Walmarts to find that! so now I'll make sure that the rack is full before I'll buy anything physical media from them. I usually just check out what they have on Tuesdays and if I could order the same products on prime right on the spot from my cell phone. (Amazon has WAY better return policies) they say physical media is becoming almost serving 100% a "niche".crowd? Then why do they sell 90% DVDs.?? Someone that's die hard into collecting physical media does not want DVDs at least no one I follow or talk to . these brick and mortar stores go way past their belief that physical media doesn't seem to be" profitable to stock" (so they make Walmart exclusives that are sometimes three or four times the price as the same movie would be with a different case online) they actually seem like they have some an agenda to destroy the sales of physical media itself
@@kenwidman7697 Walmart definitely hasn’t been able to replace Best Buy as many originally thought they could. I almost think B&N is a better shopping experience at this point, have you tried them for movies?
I will always buy the 4K version first if there is one. If there isn't one then I'll either get it on Blu Ray or DVD if that's all there is. I'm going to get the best quality version that is available to me.
@@Anytyme06 Makes sense. Do you factor price in at all or will always get the latest version no matter what? Some of those newer 4Ks just seem to be getting so expensive.
@@megamikethemovieman if the 4K is over $50 I will wait for it to come down. I had to wait for Deadpool and Wolverine to come down in price and it was worth the wait imo.
I embrace all the formats as well, but the main issue is I don't want to double dip, so I try to get the 4K version as much as possible unless the 4K release of that film/tv series is nowhere in sight or highly unlikely to ever come out due to cost or lack of sources to make a proper 4K. All those things factor into it.
@@megamikethemovieman First is the source, can they actually make a 4K from the sources they have? And are they willing to spend the extra money to restore that source if it isn't up to par for a true 4K remaster? That's where I draw some conclusions and make predictions whether it'll ever get a 4K or not. The major studios are very cheap and are nickel and diming everything they own. Second is, is there even a demand for it? Is the demand enough to warrant an expensive 4K remaster in the eyes of the studio heads? Even boutique labels have to consider this as well and they have even less of a budget to spend on 4K remastering.
I started to recollect movies again in 2019. The majority of my collection is 4k, however, you damn well know I'm still collecting blurays and even a few DVD's. Hell, I just picked up A Goofy Movie on DVD. 😂
I'm mostly annoyed by the cost to enjoy them. When players cost $300+, discs are usually fairly expensive vs a streaming stick that costs $35 and 4K digital movies that can be had as low as $5 that don't skip or stutter; how do you expect people to buy them? I hated my LG UBK90, just kept getting worse and worse until it stopped reading any Blu-rays period. Would freeze with lots of discs that worked fine in my Xbox. I will buy the occasional Blu-ray now but I mostly sail the high seas or I'll get the 4K digital when it is on sale for $5.
I only go through Apple these days. They have lots of sales, the quality is better than Vudu or Amazon and I think they have more long-term staying power.
I'm obsessed with high-quality image and HDR, not with 4k UHD as a format. That's why I buy only 4k unless it's 1) not available or 2) a bad transfer or bad edit, e.g., the Bourne Identity or almost anything by James Cameron.
@@Selrisitai It is wild how 4K can vary so much from release to release. Do you think there could be a way to streamline more consistently all the 4Ks or is that just impossible?
i don't see 8k discs coming out at all becasue 4k's do not sell well at all and have not taken off like blu rays and dvds did at all so why bring another kind of disc out for it not to sell at all
@@JonTalksEverythingPodcast That’s what I’ve always thought. And could you imagine the prices? Do you think any of the current formats will fall out in the next few years? I don’t know how sustainable 4K is.
@@megamikethemovieman i can see 4k's falling out in the next few years but who knows and yea the prices for 8k's dics and players would cost so much and no one would pay those prices at all
In my view, the larger TVs we have now makes DVD releases look terrible. For Blu Ray, it’s much more of a mixed bag. For movies that were created in the first several years that movies began being made in digital only formats, the source itself is only 2K. In these cases, the picture quality doesn’t improve much in 4K, even with HDR. If the soundtrack is not that important to the film (e.g., drama), then may as well save some money and opt for the Blu Ray. However, for many older movies, shot on film, with 4K transfers, the 4K discs can take full advantage of the source (Blu Rays can’t) and they often add Atmos soundtracks that take advantage of the newer technologies. Since I just bought my first TV/sound system Combo that can take full advantage of the 4K format, I spent Black Friday getting deals on 4K titles (after checking each one on RUclips videos regarding the aforementioned details). One advantage that you fail to mention in having many people buying 4K titles to replace their Blu Rays, in particular, is that if you go to second hand stores, like Goodwill, they often have one small shelf of Blu Rays and all the rest are DVDs. Now we can expect more Blu Rays to show up in these places and, even for me, if I see a movie in Blu Rays to that either doesn’t have a 4K release, or where the 4K release isn’t a substantial improvement, we should be able to find better deals on them. Cheers.
@@megamikethemovieman Well, I just counted. My wife (who died this summer) only got DVDs, as she preferred the days of VHS, for some reason. I enjoy not having to “be kind, please rewind” when watching a movie 🍿. Also, many old TV shows are only on DVD, so altogether, about 500 DVDs. I have about 300 Blu Rays, and have ordered, along with a new audio/video system, about 150 4K discs (a few I had, if the price was close to the Blu Ray, I’d “future proof” it). Because many of my discs are still in plastic, those Blu Rays I replace with 4K will be good stocking stuffers (for the few people who don’t mind physical media, anyway). Since my wife didn’t like loud sounds, I never listened to movies like they were meant to sound, so I’m looking forward to actually enjoying these films consistently when I retire in a couple of years (or when my TV comes on Sunday (a 77” LG G4, if you’re wondering, with a new Sonos soundbar and back speakers). I figure I better enjoy these films early in my retirement when my eyes and ears are still capable of appreciating the amazing quality we have available to us nowadays.
Technically speaking, 4K is the best format on the market. Blu-ray may be “good enough” for some people or maybe “good enough” for some movies. Personally, I own VHS, laserdiscs, DVD, Blu-ray, and 4K. I purchase certain films on 4K, but not all.
I just try hard not to limit myself and I always pursue the best available copy of a movie when I add it to my collection. I don't think I'd buy VHS at this point but I consider that dead tech and I don't own a VCR or a TV I could easily connect one to. DVD is my format of last resort now, if I can't find a film in any other format I'd rather own the DVD than not have it at all. Blurays are still the bulk of my purchases as I thrift a lot of films and Blurays are readily available and cheap in my area. New releases I almost always go 4k unless it's a tremendous price gap. An example would be that Never Ending Story release, I'm not paying $150 plus to have the 4k; my Bluray is good enough. (I don't want or need the collectables). Again I think the take away should be don't limit yourself and focus on collecting the movie; not the format. That's how I took your video here and I think that's the message you intended.
@@jcrashmore Absolutely, movie itself the top priority. Blu-ray’s are a great value format though, happy to have them in the collection. I lean towards 4K too for the newer releases if the price is reasonable. That Never Ending story price shocked me too. You think they will come out with a cheaper watered down version in the future?
@@megamikethemovieman I sure hope they release a standard edition. For one I really would love to own a 4k copy at a reasonable price. Second I worry that only releasing a deluxe collector edition sets a terrible precedent for the future. I would hate to see our favorite films priced at a point it puts them out of reach of the average movie fan. I love the idea of deluxe collector sets when it's not the only option. My gut tells me someone will if not the folks who released that deluxe set. Not releasing one is just leaving money on the table when it comes to a film so many folks loved.
@@megamikethemovieman The other point to consider is that jump from DVD to Blu-Ray was massive. Anyone can clearly see that difference. I love 4k and it is stunning when you have the right setup, but If I'm being honest it's much more of an incremental upgrade than that initial wow factor jump to Blu-ray \ HD was. I've also been seriously impressed with how good modern Blurays looks vs the earlier generation releases. With a modern Bluray that difference between it and the 4k release shrinks even further. (That said I'm a tech nerd and I'm gonna keep shooting for the best picture I can reasonably afford :) )
The titles available on Bluray is far more extensive than 4K and there are quite a lot of films that may never see a 4K release or, if they do, they will be 2-3X the price of the BR. There is also the issue that, for many movies, being released on 4K is just overkill. I passed on a lot of 4K deals here recently because I already have them on BR or they are significantly cheaper on BR, especially, if they are used. There are films that really don't benefit very much on 4K, well, not enough for the extra outlay. The TV show FRIENDS is a good example. I could get the Blurays for $40 or less on sale or spend 2.5-4x that for the 4k? Makes no sense. There is nothing there to merit the 4K upgrade. Same with I LOVE LUCY and scores of other black and white films and TV shows. I recently purchased the complete I DREAM OF JEANNIE on DVD for $15 new. It's a solid transfer and I am more than satisfied with it. So, what would be the point in spending more on it if it came out on 4K. Why spend $100-200 it would probably run? That's enough for other films and shows. The complete Flintstones on Bluray goes on sale for $30. It's has a highly regarded transfer but there are the 4K cultists who would see $200 a 4K release as the ONLY way to watch it. The same with Scooby-Doo. But 4K is just too much for such releases. I got the Peanuts holiday collection on 4K and had to watch the Blurays because the glare from the 4K was too much. The whole transfer just seemed to be too much. And the real issue with 4K? I have to get a backup player. If mine goes down, I have a big stack of coasters. But one can buy a couple of nice new Bluray players for less than $100. And they are even cheaper used. I have about four used ones for backups and they ran me less than $30. Let the format whores be format whores. But the rest of us really need to ask, "What is more practical and cost efficient?" And remember, the 4K cultists have to convince themselves the money they are throwing at it all is justified. The rest of us are just film lovers.
@@nicholasthill7151 Lots of great points there!! It would be definitely tough to keep up with brand new 4Ks, prices are way too outrageous. But if that price is right with a sale, that’s when I’m all over them. So I’m always looking at the prices too. I wonder if they made 4K players a lot cheaper, that more would collect 4K?
Depends on the title. For example, the original Star Trek tv series is not available on 4k. Doctor Who, the classic series from the 60's, the 70's and the 80's are not on 4k. Even, Buck Rogers and Battlestar Galactica from the 70's are not on 4k.
@@megamikethemovieman It's possible due to low sales, but look at some of the Bruce Lee movies. I now have to decide to get it or not. Just waiting on the lowest price. This might be it, the higher prices causes low sales on the 4k titles. However, Bruce Lee movies are popular.
@@megamikethemovieman I think it's the financial difference between producing Blu-ray vs 4k. I'm sure the price difference in the media itself is significant. I'm also not sure the average tv fan is as concerned with picture quality as is the average movie fan. (I know that's not going to hold true for those of us here following a physical media youtube channel). I think one of the reasons we at least get Blu-ray versions now is it means way less packaging to contend with since the discs hold much more data. Some of the TV sets I've seen on DVD are absolutely massive. It's all a numbers game \ cost benefit analysis to the studios releasing them.
I think a big issue is double-dipping. We may want a 4K of something but it only gets a DVD & Blu-Ray. So we hold out for a 4K release. Universal is the worse about this. Some titles I'm ok with a bluray. Like Disney animated movies. I don't see the improvements from BD to 4K. Just a waste of money. And then old tv shows I will get DVD. I see no reason with they need a hidef upgrade. Like Friends and Sienfeld that got a 4K release...why? Even if I watched the shows, I would just get the cheaper DVD option. Only the newer tv shows I would think that BD or 4K would benefit.
@@megamikethemovieman Usually, Universal waits 6-8 months. That happened with M3gan and Violent Night. The Last Voyage of the Demeter was the odd one which never got announced for 4K, which Shout Factory is now releasing. Glad I held off for that one.
I have a couple of Zidoo's which upscale the content to near 4K anyway, but the HDR cannot be duplicated. That said, DVD is getting up there in cost with Blu-Ray. I wait for 4Ks to get to
@@megamikethemovieman Dune, The Matrix, John Wick 2, 1917, Top Gun Maverick, Starship Troopers, Blade Runner 2049, and Pacific Rim Uprising. You can add Justice League and Ready Player One if you want an even ten. Honestly, I started collecting 4K for Atmos/DTX, but have found I like the Atmos upmixer with 5.1 base track better than a lot of the Atmos tracks. How about you?
@ All great choices!!! I totally forget off the top of my head which of my 4K have HDR and don’t. I Remember a lot of my classic movies look good on 4K but not sure if that is due to HDR? Does It’s A Wonderful Life 4K have HDR because that look great? What about Rear Window, that looked gorgeous.
@@megamikethemovieman Yes, the black & white 4K have HDR which gives them excellent greyscale. The clear picture is nice, but the true black and different shades of grey bring old movies to life. I only have the BR of Rear Window, so cannot comment, but it should look brilliant.
I'm Only A Year Into Blu-Ray Collecting, So I Won't Be Collecting 4K Titles For A While (Aside From New Paramount Releases, Because They Want To Make People Have To Buy The Movie In 4K).
Great points. Ironically, I find myself most interested in 4Ks, or 4:3 DVDs to play on the old CRT. Everything in the middle gets overlooked 😅. I am finding that some movies are better served on Blu Ray vs 4K though, lots of shenanigans going on with DNR and AI upscaling leaving me feeling violated after paying top dollar to watch a film be absolutely desecrated!
One of the great things about our physical media online community is how easy it is to find out which releases are worth our attention. Mike and the others out there do a great job breaking down the releases for us. Online reviews have saved me a few times from making a purchase I'd have been unhappy with.
I feel like the only people that don’t like 4K are people with a huge blu ray collection. I’m new to collecting so i mainly collect 4K. Most of the sentiment i see from blu ray collectors is they don’t want to upgrade. I get that but if im buying a movie im getting the best there is to offer. If there is only a blu I’ll buy that. I don’t buy DVD though. No point.
@@megamikethemovieman Then I usually get the DVD if that's all that exists. Tales From the Crypt and Tales/Darkside tv series is a good example of this.
@ thanks! My OCD can’t handle the different sized cases on display so I just wouldn’t buy that film, or I would get it digitally in hopes it comes out on Blu-ray at some point.
I'm an avid collector with over 5k titles. I chose to collect dvd's and bluerays simply because of the cost factor. Blue--rays are cheaper than ever especially on the used market. So glad I recently found this channel. Easy subscibe. This is a great time to buy dvd's as well at $1-$2 each on the used market.
@@megamikethemovieman Appreciate the welcome matt. I started collecting dvd only before BR so many movies in my collection I have on dedicated dvd and BR. I'm a big special features guy and the line up varries often from one format to another. Price is my secondary factor.
That’s me too. I love all formats but usually I will pick 4K if the option is available and affordable enough. What have been some of your favorite 4Ks recently?
I have bought DVD's in the past from charity shops for $1 each if I wasn't sure about the movie and if I like it I'll try to pick it up cheap on Blu Ray
Personally, I don't really understand this obsession with the 4K format. Sure, it's the better format and probably the last one, but it's not as great as many collectors praise it to the skies. For me, the standard Blu-ray is the perfect balance between SD and HD quality. Despite the resolution, the Blu-ray still has the older film look, which I prefer, while the 4K gives films more of a digital modern look and many say that films have never looked better, which brings us back to the topic of today's viewing habits for films. In any case, everyone should support what they like best and not what is currently popular.
@@Horror_Collector4Life Absolutely!! Blu-ray is a great format, no doubt. What advice would you give to new collectors for format collecting? Maybe test them all and see what they like best.
@megamikethemovieman Above all, I would advise new collectors of physical media that they can also buy used titles as long as the disc is in good condition and you also save money.
Yeah, you had me until you said 4K makes everything look more digital cause for me I found it to be the opposite more often that not. Formats aren't terribly important once you get to Blu-ray and above. It's all about the mastering at that point. And the source, too. And your particular setup. Because, 4K shouldn't make a movie look more digital unless the mastering was screwed up with excessive DNR or aggressive color regrading. The only thing 4K UHD is going to do it bring out more detail in that mastering and make the color look a little more natural with a measured use of HDR. A well-mastered film-based 4K transfer should remarkably like its film source and I can attest to this even on my meager setup as I'm able to see a much tighter grain structure on film-sourced 4K's vs. older formats. Alternately, Blu-rays that are using a 4K mastered source are going to look pretty good, too - much better than older 2K mastered discs. I have quite a few of those. For some such 4K-mastered Blu-rays, I haven't even bothered to upgrade depending on the film (or unless it comes up for dirt cheap). Now, it's a different story once you get to movies shot digitally. In that case, you're probably find less variance between formats. But really, read the reviews. Look at the screenshots where you can. But don't get hung up on the format or start thinking that one is better than the other for some arbitrary reason.
@ Great points on the mastery, that is definitely a crucial part of the process. What do you like seeing personally out of a mastering and transfer. Are you more of a fan of grain or it being scrubbed clean? It seems like everyone has different preferences when it comes to transfers.
@@megamikethemovieman Gimme that grain. Grain *IS* the picture with film-based sources. The only caveat is that sometimes modern scanners have a tendency to overaccentuate film grain. So you end up having more visible grain than what you would have actually seen when it was projected originally. In that case, I'm not opposed to judicious use of DNR to even things out for a more refined presentation - the grain still visible but not distracting. DNR also gets rid of scanner artifacts like chroma noise - which again wouldn't have been visible when it was originally projected.
Like they say in Puerto Rico:"you're preaching morality in briefs lol!"😂 Bro you do what you're saying yourself. I'm a horror fan so I can't mind the format. I don't have any CEDs or Laserdiscs because I never had a player to watch them in. I have over 1,000 VHS, like 4,000 DVDs horror and 500 anime DVDs, 350 Blu-rays and 50 4Ks. I don't have that many HD discs but it's because I'm not going to upgrade everything that'd be insane and too costly so I only upgrade my very favorites. But the older horror collectors I know didn't even make it to Blu-ray and 4K. The younger collectors are buying just 4Ks and that's O.K. because it's the best format and they usually have no previous collection to upgrade. So they're just beginning. You can't imagine how many horror movie are lost on VHS and DVD? And I'll rather have them in some format than not at all. But I understand 4K only collectors if I wasn't an old geezer that spent thousands upon thousands on VHS and DVD I too would collect only 4K. Good rant and cool video Mike!👍
@@HECTORMONTALVO-le9cn I’m always movie first, if only available in certain formats. But if I see those 4Ks on sale, that’s when I get excited because then they are often similar price to Blu-ray. I will DVDs occasionally too if that’s what is available. Why do you think some are afraid to collect older formats at all though? Are they purposely limiting themselves to save space?
@megamikethemovieman I don't think they're afraid or avoiding for space I think some bearly know anything else. Those that their first system was Playstation 4 were already introduced to 4K. Just like those who had a Playstation 2 were introduced to DVD. Some younger ones have never seen a VCR. But I've met younger collectors that didn't grew up with VHS but are begging to collect videocassettes but I bet those are in the minority.🤔
@megamikethemovieman I do buy blurays time to time but mainly DVD-releases. Zero intrest for 4K. Got few BD/4K release but only because some movies are not availble on dvd with finnish🇫🇮 subtitles. And prices, like everywhere, are rising. New dvd-titles goes around 15-20€ and discounts, like Black Friday, gets worse by every year. This year didnt find anything worth buying from new-section, prices were pretty much same as always 👎
@@megamikethemoviemanmy apologies for being overly critical. Your highlights are a bit too blue. You can add a bit of red, just a tad using the color wheel to compensate during the editing process.
No, it's not actually unless that blu ray disc transfer is sourced from the same 4K transfer on the UHD, like SF, Kino, or Arrow typically does. Even then, it's still not quite as good as the 4K but it's close.
Blu-rays still look really good and they look better than everything streaming but I’m sorry to tell you this 4K blue rays are superior. What I’m about to say is not an insult but if you can’t tell an immediate difference, between Blu-ray and 4K Blu-ray you do not have a good TV. You will need a mid range TV and above to see the difference.
@@michaeldietz2648 This. I think Blu-Rays are fine and look better than streaming on a 1080p TV but I don't see any upside to 4K over Blu-Ray other than if you're ripping or encoding the files since it takes so much longer.
Honestly, I felt you was 4K Obsessed yourself. But we need to support all physical media formats as "In the second quarter of 2024, physical disc spending in the U.S. was just over $200 million, which is a nearly 30% decline from the same period in 2023." According to the internet. A 30 percent decline in spending is not good, considering the prices have gone up.
@@TallPaulInKy A decline is definitely not good. Do you think that is because of the high prices is what’s preventing people from spending more?
@@megamikethemovieman When inflation is killing us on the day to day necessities like food; spending is going to dip on things like physical media and other non essentials. Prices of titles aren't helping even for those of us fortunate enough to be doing ok financially. Some prices have hit a point where even if you have the extra money you sometimes stop and question the purchase and the value. I think we're also in the middle of a largely unavoidable shift to a collectible driven market for physical media. It's going to be interesting to see how things shake out.
Tbh I just started my collection and I bought only 4k cause I got everything on sale so why not? 10 dollar 4k movies is crazy
@@prashantmaganti Absolutely, now is the time to stock up those 4ks why they are cheap. What’s the most you would pay for a 4K?
@ $25. I bought a couple of Steelbooks for $20 each tho
@@prashantmaganti Those are good prices. There have definitely been some great steelbooks discounted recently then?
$1 Blu-ray is even better.
@ That’s a great price for a Blu-ray!! How many have you got for $1? And where?
Walmart? Their policies for selling physical media really suck. I bought a 4K that didn't work( it skipped and kept ejecting from my player) they told me the only way I could return (can't even get store credit) a broken disc is to exchange it for another of exactly the same item. Show me and my wife how to search through 3 Walmarts to find that! so now I'll make sure that the rack is full before I'll buy anything physical media from them. I usually just check out what they have on Tuesdays and if I could order the same products on prime right on the spot from my cell phone. (Amazon has WAY better return policies) they say physical media is becoming almost serving 100% a "niche".crowd? Then why do they sell 90% DVDs.?? Someone that's die hard into collecting physical media does not want DVDs at least no one I follow or talk to . these brick and mortar stores go way past their belief that physical media doesn't seem to be" profitable to stock" (so they make Walmart exclusives that are sometimes three or four times the price as the same movie would be with a different case online) they actually seem like they have some an agenda to destroy the sales of physical media itself
@@kenwidman7697 Walmart definitely hasn’t been able to replace Best Buy as many originally thought they could. I almost think B&N is a better shopping experience at this point, have you tried them for movies?
I will always buy the 4K version first if there is one. If there isn't one then I'll either get it on Blu Ray or DVD if that's all there is. I'm going to get the best quality version that is available to me.
@@Anytyme06 Makes sense. Do you factor price in at all or will always get the latest version no matter what? Some of those newer 4Ks just seem to be getting so expensive.
@@megamikethemovieman if the 4K is over $50 I will wait for it to come down. I had to wait for Deadpool and Wolverine to come down in price and it was worth the wait imo.
@ That’s a fun movie!! I was hoping the steelbook would get to $35 but hasn’t happen yet. What’s your favorite out of the MCU movies?
@@megamikethemovieman the only movies I've seen from the MCU is the Iron Man trilogy and End Game. I'm not much of a marvel guy, but I like Deadpool.
@ Do you think they will do a Deadpool 4? And I wonder if he will show up in future MCU movies?
I embrace all the formats as well, but the main issue is I don't want to double dip, so I try to get the 4K version as much as possible unless the 4K release of that film/tv series is nowhere in sight or highly unlikely to ever come out due to cost or lack of sources to make a proper 4K. All those things factor into it.
@@austinwillcut4919 Agreed, I’m not a fan of double dipping either. How do you predict if a movie or series is likely to get a 4K?
@@megamikethemovieman First is the source, can they actually make a 4K from the sources they have? And are they willing to spend the extra money to restore that source if it isn't up to par for a true 4K remaster? That's where I draw some conclusions and make predictions whether it'll ever get a 4K or not. The major studios are very cheap and are nickel and diming everything they own. Second is, is there even a demand for it? Is the demand enough to warrant an expensive 4K remaster in the eyes of the studio heads? Even boutique labels have to consider this as well and they have even less of a budget to spend on 4K remastering.
I got 11 DVDs today for $19 at pawn shops. How many 4ks can I get with that same price?
@@drewb3665 1 & 3/4 maybe?? 🤣
I started to recollect movies again in 2019. The majority of my collection is 4k, however, you damn well know I'm still collecting blurays and even a few DVD's. Hell, I just picked up A Goofy Movie on DVD. 😂
@@Franksmediaandreviews That’s a great movie!! Have you seen the sequel to the Goofy movie?
@ nope. Just the original.
@ Not as good of course, but it’s funny to see them in college.
I love dvds, Blu-ray’s , and some 4ks
@@Dark.RoomReviews I love all the formats too. When do you pickup a Blu-ray vs a 4K?
I'm mostly annoyed by the cost to enjoy them. When players cost $300+, discs are usually fairly expensive vs a streaming stick that costs $35 and 4K digital movies that can be had as low as $5 that don't skip or stutter; how do you expect people to buy them? I hated my LG UBK90, just kept getting worse and worse until it stopped reading any Blu-rays period. Would freeze with lots of discs that worked fine in my Xbox. I will buy the occasional Blu-ray now but I mostly sail the high seas or I'll get the 4K digital when it is on sale for $5.
Discs can definitely have issues. $5 digital is not bad. Where do you shop most of your digital movies from?!
I only go through Apple these days. They have lots of sales, the quality is better than Vudu or Amazon and I think they have more long-term staying power.
I'm obsessed with high-quality image and HDR, not with 4k UHD as a format.
That's why I buy only 4k unless it's 1) not available or 2) a bad transfer or bad edit, e.g., the Bourne Identity or almost anything by James Cameron.
@@Selrisitai It is wild how 4K can vary so much from release to release. Do you think there could be a way to streamline more consistently all the 4Ks or is that just impossible?
i don't see 8k discs coming out at all becasue 4k's do not sell well at all and have not taken off like blu rays and dvds did at all so why bring another kind of disc out for it not to sell at all
@@JonTalksEverythingPodcast That’s what I’ve always thought. And could you imagine the prices? Do you think any of the current formats will fall out in the next few years? I don’t know how sustainable 4K is.
@@megamikethemovieman i can see 4k's falling out in the next few years but who knows and yea the prices for 8k's dics and players would cost so much and no one would pay those prices at all
In my view, the larger TVs we have now makes DVD releases look terrible. For Blu Ray, it’s much more of a mixed bag. For movies that were created in the first several years that movies began being made in digital only formats, the source itself is only 2K. In these cases, the picture quality doesn’t improve much in 4K, even with HDR. If the soundtrack is not that important to the film (e.g., drama), then may as well save some money and opt for the Blu Ray.
However, for many older movies, shot on film, with 4K transfers, the 4K discs can take full advantage of the source (Blu Rays can’t) and they often add Atmos soundtracks that take advantage of the newer technologies. Since I just bought my first TV/sound system Combo that can take full advantage of the 4K format, I spent Black Friday getting deals on 4K titles (after checking each one on RUclips videos regarding the aforementioned details).
One advantage that you fail to mention in having many people buying 4K titles to replace their Blu Rays, in particular, is that if you go to second hand stores, like Goodwill, they often have one small shelf of Blu Rays and all the rest are DVDs. Now we can expect more Blu Rays to show up in these places and, even for me, if I see a movie in Blu Rays to that either doesn’t have a 4K release, or where the 4K release isn’t a substantial improvement, we should be able to find better deals on them.
Cheers.
@@skeller61 Tons of great points!! How is your collection looking now between how many 4ks you have in comparison to your Blu-ray’s and DVDs?
@@megamikethemovieman Well, I just counted. My wife (who died this summer) only got DVDs, as she preferred the days of VHS, for some reason. I enjoy not having to “be kind, please rewind” when watching a movie 🍿. Also, many old TV shows are only on DVD, so altogether, about 500 DVDs. I have about 300 Blu Rays, and have ordered, along with a new audio/video system, about 150 4K discs (a few I had, if the price was close to the Blu Ray, I’d “future proof” it). Because many of my discs are still in plastic, those Blu Rays I replace with 4K will be good stocking stuffers (for the few people who don’t mind physical media, anyway). Since my wife didn’t like loud sounds, I never listened to movies like they were meant to sound, so I’m looking forward to actually enjoying these films consistently when I retire in a couple of years (or when my TV comes on Sunday (a 77” LG G4, if you’re wondering, with a new Sonos soundbar and back speakers). I figure I better enjoy these films early in my retirement when my eyes and ears are still capable of appreciating the amazing quality we have available to us nowadays.
@ Totally understandable and so sorry for your loss, my deepest condolences.
Technically speaking, 4K is the best format on the market. Blu-ray may be “good enough” for some people or maybe “good enough” for some movies. Personally, I own VHS, laserdiscs, DVD, Blu-ray, and 4K. I purchase certain films on 4K, but not all.
I like all the formats as well. When do you buy the 4K over the Blu-ray?
I just try hard not to limit myself and I always pursue the best available copy of a movie when I add it to my collection. I don't think I'd buy VHS at this point but I consider that dead tech and I don't own a VCR or a TV I could easily connect one to. DVD is my format of last resort now, if I can't find a film in any other format I'd rather own the DVD than not have it at all. Blurays are still the bulk of my purchases as I thrift a lot of films and Blurays are readily available and cheap in my area. New releases I almost always go 4k unless it's a tremendous price gap. An example would be that Never Ending Story release, I'm not paying $150 plus to have the 4k; my Bluray is good enough. (I don't want or need the collectables). Again I think the take away should be don't limit yourself and focus on collecting the movie; not the format. That's how I took your video here and I think that's the message you intended.
@@jcrashmore Absolutely, movie itself the top priority. Blu-ray’s are a great value format though, happy to have them in the collection. I lean towards 4K too for the newer releases if the price is reasonable. That Never Ending story price shocked me too. You think they will come out with a cheaper watered down version in the future?
@@megamikethemovieman I sure hope they release a standard edition. For one I really would love to own a 4k copy at a reasonable price. Second I worry that only releasing a deluxe collector edition sets a terrible precedent for the future. I would hate to see our favorite films priced at a point it puts them out of reach of the average movie fan. I love the idea of deluxe collector sets when it's not the only option. My gut tells me someone will if not the folks who released that deluxe set. Not releasing one is just leaving money on the table when it comes to a film so many folks loved.
@@megamikethemovieman The other point to consider is that jump from DVD to Blu-Ray was massive. Anyone can clearly see that difference. I love 4k and it is stunning when you have the right setup, but If I'm being honest it's much more of an incremental upgrade than that initial wow factor jump to Blu-ray \ HD was. I've also been seriously impressed with how good modern Blurays looks vs the earlier generation releases. With a modern Bluray that difference between it and the 4k release shrinks even further. (That said I'm a tech nerd and I'm gonna keep shooting for the best picture I can reasonably afford :) )
I would rather have 4K, but my most wanted is Atmos tracks! Still have a full Pioneer 300 dvd changer that I use weekly .
@@garyharper2943 What are your favorite 4Ks with Atmos?
The titles available on Bluray is far more extensive than 4K and there are quite a lot of films that may never see a 4K release or, if they do, they will be 2-3X the price of the BR. There is also the issue that, for many movies, being released on 4K is just overkill. I passed on a lot of 4K deals here recently because I already have them on BR or they are significantly cheaper on BR, especially, if they are used.
There are films that really don't benefit very much on 4K, well, not enough for the extra outlay. The TV show FRIENDS is a good example. I could get the Blurays for $40 or less on sale or spend 2.5-4x that for the 4k?
Makes no sense. There is nothing there to merit the 4K upgrade. Same with I LOVE LUCY and scores of other black and white films and TV shows.
I recently purchased the complete I DREAM OF JEANNIE on DVD for $15 new. It's a solid transfer and I am more than satisfied with it. So, what would be the point in spending more on it if it came out on 4K. Why spend $100-200 it would probably run? That's enough for other films and shows.
The complete Flintstones on Bluray goes on sale for $30. It's has a highly regarded transfer but there are the 4K cultists who would see $200 a 4K release as the ONLY way to watch it. The same with Scooby-Doo. But 4K is just too much for such releases. I got the Peanuts holiday collection on 4K and had to watch the Blurays because the glare from the 4K was too much. The whole transfer just seemed to be too much.
And the real issue with 4K? I have to get a backup player. If mine goes down, I have a big stack of coasters.
But one can buy a couple of nice new Bluray players for less than $100. And they are even cheaper used. I have about four used ones for backups and they ran me less than $30.
Let the format whores be format whores. But the rest of us really need to ask, "What is more practical and cost efficient?"
And remember, the 4K cultists have to convince themselves the money they are throwing at it all is justified. The rest of us are just film lovers.
@@nicholasthill7151 Lots of great points there!! It would be definitely tough to keep up with brand new 4Ks, prices are way too outrageous. But if that price is right with a sale, that’s when I’m all over them. So I’m always looking at the prices too. I wonder if they made 4K players a lot cheaper, that more would collect 4K?
I see it exactly the same way for us normal film and series collectors, the DVD and Bluray are more than enough 💯
Depends on the title. For example, the original Star Trek tv series is not available on 4k. Doctor Who, the classic series from the 60's, the 70's and the 80's are not on 4k. Even, Buck Rogers and Battlestar Galactica from the 70's are not on 4k.
I’ve noticed a lot of shows don’t make it to 4K either. I wonder why is that? Do they think the 4Ks for a tv series won’t sell?
@@megamikethemovieman It's possible due to low sales, but look at some of the Bruce Lee movies. I now have to decide to get it or not. Just waiting on the lowest price. This might be it, the higher prices causes low sales on the 4k titles. However, Bruce Lee movies are popular.
@@megamikethemovieman I think it's the financial difference between producing Blu-ray vs 4k. I'm sure the price difference in the media itself is significant. I'm also not sure the average tv fan is as concerned with picture quality as is the average movie fan. (I know that's not going to hold true for those of us here following a physical media youtube channel). I think one of the reasons we at least get Blu-ray versions now is it means way less packaging to contend with since the discs hold much more data. Some of the TV sets I've seen on DVD are absolutely massive. It's all a numbers game \ cost benefit analysis to the studios releasing them.
I think a big issue is double-dipping. We may want a 4K of something but it only gets a DVD & Blu-Ray. So we hold out for a 4K release. Universal is the worse about this. Some titles I'm ok with a bluray. Like Disney animated movies. I don't see the improvements from BD to 4K. Just a waste of money. And then old tv shows I will get DVD. I see no reason with they need a hidef upgrade. Like Friends and Sienfeld that got a 4K release...why? Even if I watched the shows, I would just get the cheaper DVD option. Only the newer tv shows I would think that BD or 4K would benefit.
@@screamingeekmedia When do you know to wait for the potential release of a 4K? Because I don’t like double dipping either.
@@megamikethemovieman Usually, Universal waits 6-8 months. That happened with M3gan and Violent Night. The Last Voyage of the Demeter was the odd one which never got announced for 4K, which Shout Factory is now releasing. Glad I held off for that one.
I have a couple of Zidoo's which upscale the content to near 4K anyway, but the HDR cannot be duplicated. That said, DVD is getting up there in cost with Blu-Ray. I wait for 4Ks to get to
@@SealedOrPorted I like the discounts too. What are your top favorite movies that show off HDR well?
@@megamikethemovieman Dune, The Matrix, John Wick 2, 1917, Top Gun Maverick, Starship Troopers, Blade Runner 2049, and Pacific Rim Uprising. You can add Justice League and Ready Player One if you want an even ten.
Honestly, I started collecting 4K for Atmos/DTX, but have found I like the Atmos upmixer with 5.1 base track better than a lot of the Atmos tracks.
How about you?
@ All great choices!!! I totally forget off the top of my head which of my 4K have HDR and don’t. I Remember a lot of my classic movies look good on 4K but not sure if that is due to HDR? Does It’s A Wonderful Life 4K have HDR because that look great? What about Rear Window, that looked gorgeous.
@@megamikethemovieman Yes, the black & white 4K have HDR which gives them excellent greyscale. The clear picture is nice, but the true black and different shades of grey bring old movies to life.
I only have the BR of Rear Window, so cannot comment, but it should look brilliant.
I'm Only A Year Into Blu-Ray Collecting, So I Won't Be Collecting 4K Titles For A While (Aside From New Paramount Releases, Because They Want To Make People Have To Buy The Movie In 4K).
@@sebastianshook6771 They don’t release their titles on Blu-ray?
@@megamikethemovieman With Their More Recent Titles, They Are No Longer Making Standalone Blu-Rays And Are Bundling The Discs With The 4K Releases.
about 95% of my movie purchases are Blu Ray and the rest is 4K
That’s a lot of Blu-ray’s. Why way more Blu-ray’s than 4Ks for you?
Great points. Ironically, I find myself most interested in 4Ks, or 4:3 DVDs to play on the old CRT. Everything in the middle gets overlooked 😅. I am finding that some movies are better served on Blu Ray vs 4K though, lots of shenanigans going on with DNR and AI upscaling leaving me feeling violated after paying top dollar to watch a film be absolutely desecrated!
That’s a great point as well. Why do you think they do that to the 4K transfers?
One of the great things about our physical media online community is how easy it is to find out which releases are worth our attention. Mike and the others out there do a great job breaking down the releases for us. Online reviews have saved me a few times from making a purchase I'd have been unhappy with.
@ Thank you so much! This community is truly awesome!!
I feel like the only people that don’t like 4K are people with a huge blu ray collection. I’m new to collecting so i mainly collect 4K. Most of the sentiment i see from blu ray collectors is they don’t want to upgrade. I get that but if im buying a movie im getting the best there is to offer. If there is only a blu I’ll buy that. I don’t buy DVD though. No point.
@@Excel64100 What if the movie is only available on DVD though? And cool icon image btw.
@@megamikethemovieman Then I usually get the DVD if that's all that exists. Tales From the Crypt and Tales/Darkside tv series is a good example of this.
@ thanks! My OCD can’t handle the different sized cases on display so I just wouldn’t buy that film, or I would get it digitally in hopes it comes out on Blu-ray at some point.
I'm an avid collector with over 5k titles. I chose to collect dvd's and bluerays simply because of the cost factor. Blue--rays are cheaper than ever especially on the used market. So glad I recently found this channel. Easy subscibe. This is a great time to buy dvd's as well at $1-$2 each on the used market.
Thank you so much for being apart of this mega movie community my friend, you’re awesome! When do you pickup a DVD over a Blu-ray?
@@megamikethemovieman Appreciate the welcome matt. I started collecting dvd only before BR so many movies in my collection I have on dedicated dvd and BR. I'm a big special features guy and the line up varries often from one format to another. Price is my secondary factor.
"what do you think of 4k?" I don't. Actually, I actively avoid it due to the reasons you cover, and, that goes for when they are avaialbe too
Do you mostly pickup Blu-ray’s or DVDs then?
For me depends on the movie,if I wanna upgrade to 4k..I do have DVD,BD and 4k in my collections..But I’m more towards 4k’s now..
That’s me too. I love all formats but usually I will pick 4K if the option is available and affordable enough. What have been some of your favorite 4Ks recently?
I have bought DVD's in the past from charity shops for $1 each if I wasn't sure about the movie and if I like it I'll try to pick it up cheap on Blu Ray
How were those DVDs you were picking up? Were they playing ok and was the viewing quality fine?
I collect 4k for new releases i still have more Blu-ray’s then anything and will still buy bluray and I buy DVDs for a dollar at goodwill lol
@@IDoctor_WhoI Do you pickup most of those 4Ks day 1?
@ sometimes
@@IDoctor_WhoImy Goodwill sells DVDs for $2 and boxed sets for $5!🤑 Blu-rays are $3!😭
Personally, I don't really understand this obsession with the 4K format. Sure, it's the better format and probably the last one, but it's not as great as many collectors praise it to the skies. For me, the standard Blu-ray is the perfect balance between SD and HD quality. Despite the resolution, the Blu-ray still has the older film look, which I prefer, while the 4K gives films more of a digital modern look and many say that films have never looked better, which brings us back to the topic of today's viewing habits for films.
In any case, everyone should support what they like best and not what is currently popular.
@@Horror_Collector4Life Absolutely!! Blu-ray is a great format, no doubt. What advice would you give to new collectors for format collecting? Maybe test them all and see what they like best.
@megamikethemovieman Above all, I would advise new collectors of physical media that they can also buy used titles as long as the disc is in good condition and you also save money.
Yeah, you had me until you said 4K makes everything look more digital cause for me I found it to be the opposite more often that not. Formats aren't terribly important once you get to Blu-ray and above. It's all about the mastering at that point. And the source, too. And your particular setup. Because, 4K shouldn't make a movie look more digital unless the mastering was screwed up with excessive DNR or aggressive color regrading. The only thing 4K UHD is going to do it bring out more detail in that mastering and make the color look a little more natural with a measured use of HDR. A well-mastered film-based 4K transfer should remarkably like its film source and I can attest to this even on my meager setup as I'm able to see a much tighter grain structure on film-sourced 4K's vs. older formats. Alternately, Blu-rays that are using a 4K mastered source are going to look pretty good, too - much better than older 2K mastered discs. I have quite a few of those. For some such 4K-mastered Blu-rays, I haven't even bothered to upgrade depending on the film (or unless it comes up for dirt cheap). Now, it's a different story once you get to movies shot digitally. In that case, you're probably find less variance between formats.
But really, read the reviews. Look at the screenshots where you can. But don't get hung up on the format or start thinking that one is better than the other for some arbitrary reason.
@ Great points on the mastery, that is definitely a crucial part of the process. What do you like seeing personally out of a mastering and transfer. Are you more of a fan of grain or it being scrubbed clean? It seems like everyone has different preferences when it comes to transfers.
@@megamikethemovieman Gimme that grain. Grain *IS* the picture with film-based sources. The only caveat is that sometimes modern scanners have a tendency to overaccentuate film grain. So you end up having more visible grain than what you would have actually seen when it was projected originally. In that case, I'm not opposed to judicious use of DNR to even things out for a more refined presentation - the grain still visible but not distracting. DNR also gets rid of scanner artifacts like chroma noise - which again wouldn't have been visible when it was originally projected.
Like they say in Puerto Rico:"you're preaching morality in briefs lol!"😂 Bro you do what you're saying yourself. I'm a horror fan so I can't mind the format. I don't have any CEDs or Laserdiscs because I never had a player to watch them in. I have over 1,000 VHS, like 4,000 DVDs horror and 500 anime DVDs, 350 Blu-rays and 50 4Ks. I don't have that many HD discs but it's because I'm not going to upgrade everything that'd be insane and too costly so I only upgrade my very favorites. But the older horror collectors I know didn't even make it to Blu-ray and 4K. The younger collectors are buying just 4Ks and that's O.K. because it's the best format and they usually have no previous collection to upgrade. So they're just beginning. You can't imagine how many horror movie are lost on VHS and DVD? And I'll rather have them in some format than not at all. But I understand 4K only collectors if I wasn't an old geezer that spent thousands upon thousands on VHS and DVD I too would collect only 4K. Good rant and cool video Mike!👍
@@HECTORMONTALVO-le9cn I’m always movie first, if only available in certain formats. But if I see those 4Ks on sale, that’s when I get excited because then they are often similar price to Blu-ray. I will DVDs occasionally too if that’s what is available. Why do you think some are afraid to collect older formats at all though? Are they purposely limiting themselves to save space?
@megamikethemovieman I don't think they're afraid or avoiding for space I think some bearly know anything else. Those that their first system was Playstation 4 were already introduced to 4K. Just like those who had a Playstation 2 were introduced to DVD. Some younger ones have never seen a VCR. But I've met younger collectors that didn't grew up with VHS but are begging to collect videocassettes but I bet those are in the minority.🤔
People done gone CRAY, CRAY over 4K!
@@994pt4 And why??
@@megamikethemovieman 'shiny ball' and OCD
It's a preference. Whether DVD, Blu ray, 4K,
even VHS and VCD lol, there is personal
and maybe material value. All media is 👏
@@soshiderek Agreed, for all physical media, for the love of movies!!
2025 will be a pivotal year how the studios will treat their customers.
DvD is good enough for me 😐👍
@@DVDhoarder That’s awesome, I like all formats so happy to have my DVDs too. How are the prices on newly released titles to DVD?
@megamikethemovieman I do buy blurays time to time but mainly DVD-releases. Zero intrest for 4K. Got few BD/4K release but only because some movies are not availble on dvd with finnish🇫🇮 subtitles. And prices, like everywhere, are rising. New dvd-titles goes around 15-20€ and discounts, like Black Friday, gets worse by every year. This year didnt find anything worth buying from new-section, prices were pretty much same as always 👎
Man, I was gonna bag on Best Buy for not carrying Alien Romulus. Turns out even Amazon is not stocked. Release date fail?
@@soshiderek It’s an extremely popular movie so I wonder if that’s why it might be sold out places, guessing too low of quantities manufactured?
Not impressed lol but still received the other new releases. :)
I’m over your color balance…
@@christian.o.acevedo I’m always learning. Could you explain a little more about color balance please my friend?
@@megamikethemoviemanmy apologies for being overly critical. Your highlights are a bit too blue. You can add a bit of red, just a tad using the color wheel to compensate during the editing process.
Blu-ray is a lot better than 4K
@@EthanAnania What is your favorite aspect of Blu-ray?
@ The 1080p picture quality
Depends on the blu ray, but typically the 4K will be better in most cases.
@@austinwillcut4919 4K sucks. Looks dark, weird colors and freezes up 😂
Why are some collectors obsessed with 4K?
You should know bro lol!😂
Blu ray is just as good as 4k
@@Scifi4life What do you most like about Blu-ray?
No, it's not actually unless that blu ray disc transfer is sourced from the same 4K transfer on the UHD, like SF, Kino, or Arrow typically does. Even then, it's still not quite as good as the 4K but it's close.
How?
Blu-rays still look really good and they look better than everything streaming but I’m sorry to tell you this 4K blue rays are superior. What I’m about to say is not an insult but if you can’t tell an immediate difference, between Blu-ray and 4K Blu-ray you do not have a good TV. You will need a mid range TV and above to see the difference.
@@michaeldietz2648 This. I think Blu-Rays are fine and look better than streaming on a 1080p TV but I don't see any upside to 4K over Blu-Ray other than if you're ripping or encoding the files since it takes so much longer.