I remember being in school and our teacher showed us "Hotel Rwanda", but I think I didn't fully understand it then. This discussion provided a lot of helpful context. Thank you both. :)
This is a great and timely podcast. My family came from Italy and Ireland on my father's side and Mexico on my mother's side. The American melting pot works -- at least it will until multiculturalism destroys it. Then, as this guest says, we will look like Rwanda.
Shermer gets some great guests on his show, and Jancke is among his best. This book he wrote is as important as any written in the past decade regarding our current cultural woes.
I met the author in Santa Barbara. This is an interesting book that covers a lot more than Rwanda. Some interesting stuff about Roman and Aztec history, as well as Sri Lanka and Botswana. I highly recommend it.
Really great podcast, as always -- and great book. Highlights the stupidity and the extreme danger of govt. programs that divide/distinguish people by group.
Hey Mr Shermer, big fan of the pod. Just want to point out that the clock in the bottom right corner of the thumbnail for all (or most?) of your videos seems to block out the names of all (most?) of your guests. Dont get me wrong, the style is great. Just wanted to make sure you knew. Again, big fan, from St John's, Newfoundland. Cheers!
Imagine: indoctrinating kids with the idea that one group of people are "privileged" oppressors and the other are oppressed leads to group violence (and genocide). Who woulda thunk it? The lessons are obvious, It's a sad comment on our times that they have to be spelled out -- and people still don't get it.
The lessons are obvious that the group you’re referring to are Jewish. The ADL and other woke communists are Jewish groups. How’s that Gaza war working out for you?
The lessons are obvious that the group you’re referring to are Jewish. The ADL and other woke communists are Jewish groups. How’s that Gaza war working out for you?
Listened to the podcast and found it very interesting but kept wondering, with Shermer being heavily on the libertarian side, when that shoe was going to drop. Sure enough Heycke makes the comment near the end that "socialism" combined with high cultural diversity is almost always a recipe for disaster. I found that to be shockingly sloppy on an intellectual level and it begs for counterexamples, of which there are many; so many in fact that I question how he could possibly have come to such an astonishingly un-nuanced conclusion and state it as fact without, obviously, having studied it in detail or even attempting a definition of socialism, which seems important since no successful society has ever lacked both socialist and market-based distribution mechanisms. I found myself in strong agreement with most of the rest, and learned a lot, especially some of the details of the genocide in Rwanda, which only confirms how easy it is, under the right conditions, to lead people to believe and to act on even the vilest possible prejudices.
I also found myself nodding along until the end when he said "socialism is always a recipe for disaster, it only works in Scandinavia because they're so homogenous." It seems that the speaker equates socialism with communism with authoritarianism. Socialism works in Scandinavia but they are by no means authoritarian societies. Quite the reverse, they are high functioning democratic societies and the socialism aspect is not the government dictating people's lives but rather providing basic welfare and safety nets. Americans seems to spook at the word socialism as if it were a bogeyman from a nightmare when what they're actually afraid of is authoritarianism. Socialism is Europe means something else entirely.
24:14 “They [the begian government] instituted a program of affirmative action which benefited the tutsis over the hutus, so if you were a tutsi it was much easier to get a high-level government job, to get higher education and so on. So that went on for basically 40 years all the way up until independence in 1962. And when they got to independence the hutus took over.” Unfortunately these glaring inaccuracies are still common in the American historiography of Rwanda. They are still taught to schoolchildren even as we speak. 1) No higher education was permitted to *any Rwandan* all the way to the late 1950s. Therefore it is false to say that “if you were a tutsi it was much easier to get higher education.” It was not. Every dentist, every lawyer, every veterinarian, every engineer or soldier, all corporate executives, etc. were all European only. No Rwandans of any kind or variety were allowed. 2) While there had been some preference for auxiliary positions, it was not for the same group “all the way up until independence”. From recent research on the subject: “Between early November and late *December 1959,* logiest [the Belgian governor of Rwanda] unilaterally replaced Tutsi chiefs and sub-chiefs with Hutu teachers, businessmen, merchants, and catechists. A vast majority of the new chiefs and sub-chiefs were Parmehutu [an anti-Tutsi party] members.” (carney 2011) 3) The hutus who took over were led by one kayibanda, and he did *NOT* wait until he “got to independence” to take over. The Belgian government simply went rogue and installed him illegally as prime minister on October 26th 1960 against express UN resolutions. That was *nearly 2 years prior* to formal independence in July 1962.
Rwanda sounds like it was a case of sneeches on the beaches. Some sneeches were better than others. Rwanda is now the first country in the world to ban plastic bags. Brilliant podcast
We all know that the reasons for disparities between races today have little to do with racism. Pretending that they do will never solve the problems, which is what we're doing now.
I thought this was interesting. I agree that there are problems with both sides of the political spectrum. Conservatives don't want their white protestant dream world changed, as evident by such insanity as "white replacement theory" and liberals divide too much, with the "Taco Tuesday is cultural appropriation" example being a good one. Like Heycke notes, if we concentrate on the problems, such as poverty, we will help everyone that needs help, and that will disproportionately help minorities. But it will also help anyone else that needs it without the need to divide.
People still have a tribal mind and blaming the out group is easy. The time frame or reason does not matter. Gay, democrats, witches, jews,... There will always be scapegoats.
I think "La Tinks" is supremely funny. It emphasizes the absurdity of a term that elite academics love, but most Hispanic people have never heard of before.
I had the same reaction, when he started with the mexican food I knew where this was going. Nothing smart was going to be said afterwards, and nothing did.
I remember being in school and our teacher showed us "Hotel Rwanda", but I think I didn't fully understand it then. This discussion provided a lot of helpful context. Thank you both. :)
It’s lies
This is a great and timely podcast. My family came from Italy and Ireland on my father's side and Mexico on my mother's side. The American melting pot works -- at least it will until multiculturalism destroys it. Then, as this guest says, we will look like Rwanda.
I already got the book. It's probably the best indictment of affirmative action and DEI since Tom Sowell's "Affirmative Action Around the World"
Shermer gets some great guests on his show, and Jancke is among his best. This book he wrote is as important as any written in the past decade regarding our current cultural woes.
I met the author in Santa Barbara. This is an interesting book that covers a lot more than Rwanda. Some interesting stuff about Roman and Aztec history, as well as Sri Lanka and Botswana. I highly recommend it.
Really great podcast, as always -- and great book. Highlights the stupidity and the extreme danger of govt. programs that divide/distinguish people by group.
I enjoy Michael Shermer's content. Always much to learn. He asks good questions and chooses interesting guests.
Hey Mr Shermer, big fan of the pod. Just want to point out that the clock in the bottom right corner of the thumbnail for all (or most?) of your videos seems to block out the names of all (most?) of your guests. Dont get me wrong, the style is great. Just wanted to make sure you knew.
Again, big fan, from St John's, Newfoundland. Cheers!
Imagine: indoctrinating kids with the idea that one group of people are "privileged" oppressors and the other are oppressed leads to group violence (and genocide). Who woulda thunk it?
The lessons are obvious, It's a sad comment on our times that they have to be spelled out -- and people still don't get it.
The lessons are obvious that the group you’re referring to are Jewish. The ADL and other woke communists are Jewish groups. How’s that Gaza war working out for you?
The lessons are obvious that the group you’re referring to are Jewish. The ADL and other woke communists are Jewish groups. How’s that Gaza war working out for you?
There's only moderate peace because the economy hasn't crashed(yet).
Really great interview and great guest with lots of background I never knew before.
Listened to the podcast and found it very interesting but kept wondering, with Shermer being heavily on the libertarian side, when that shoe was going to drop. Sure enough Heycke makes the comment near the end that "socialism" combined with high cultural diversity is almost always a recipe for disaster. I found that to be shockingly sloppy on an intellectual level and it begs for counterexamples, of which there are many; so many in fact that I question how he could possibly have come to such an astonishingly un-nuanced conclusion and state it as fact without, obviously, having studied it in detail or even attempting a definition of socialism, which seems important since no successful society has ever lacked both socialist and market-based distribution mechanisms.
I found myself in strong agreement with most of the rest, and learned a lot, especially some of the details of the genocide in Rwanda, which only confirms how easy it is, under the right conditions, to lead people to believe and to act on even the vilest possible prejudices.
I also found myself nodding along until the end when he said "socialism is always a recipe for disaster, it only works in Scandinavia because they're so homogenous."
It seems that the speaker equates socialism with communism with authoritarianism.
Socialism works in Scandinavia but they are by no means authoritarian societies. Quite the reverse, they are high functioning democratic societies and the socialism aspect is not the government dictating people's lives but rather providing basic welfare and safety nets. Americans seems to spook at the word socialism as if it were a bogeyman from a nightmare when what they're actually afraid of is authoritarianism. Socialism is Europe means something else entirely.
24:14 “They [the begian government] instituted a program of affirmative action which benefited the tutsis over the hutus, so if you were a tutsi it was much easier to get a high-level government job, to get higher education and so on. So that went on for basically 40 years all the way up until independence in 1962. And when they got to independence the hutus took over.”
Unfortunately these glaring inaccuracies are still common in the American historiography of Rwanda. They are still taught to schoolchildren even as we speak.
1) No higher education was permitted to *any Rwandan* all the way to the late 1950s. Therefore it is false to say that “if you were a tutsi it was much easier to get higher education.” It was not. Every dentist, every lawyer, every veterinarian, every engineer or soldier, all corporate executives, etc. were all European only. No Rwandans of any kind or variety were allowed.
2) While there had been some preference for auxiliary positions, it was not for the same group “all the way up until independence”. From recent research on the subject: “Between early November and late *December 1959,* logiest [the Belgian governor of Rwanda] unilaterally replaced Tutsi chiefs and sub-chiefs with Hutu teachers, businessmen, merchants, and catechists. A vast majority of the new chiefs and sub-chiefs were Parmehutu [an anti-Tutsi party] members.” (carney 2011)
3) The hutus who took over were led by one kayibanda, and he did *NOT* wait until he “got to independence” to take over. The Belgian government simply went rogue and installed him illegally as prime minister on October 26th 1960 against express UN resolutions. That was *nearly 2 years prior* to formal independence in July 1962.
Dear Dr. Shermer, when are you going to interview Victor Davis Hanson? If never, why not? Thanks.
Rwanda sounds like it was a case of sneeches on the beaches. Some sneeches were better than others. Rwanda is now the first country in the world to ban plastic bags. Brilliant podcast
It has been destroyed 😂
It has been destroyed 😂 look at before and after photos
They are eating the elephants
Americans have to lie about Rwandan and Rhodesia because they are guilty
@@HappyFamily-j1q destroyed by what? There were no bombs in that civil war. They used machetes.
Thank you. A good tutorial we
all need to pivot. 47:15
We all know that the reasons for disparities between races today have little to do with racism. Pretending that they do will never solve the problems, which is what we're doing now.
Very important!
why was most of the interview deleted?
O my god. When he said that culture is a set symbols I immediately thought of how I held my Christmas around symbols from my danish roots.
Does hating oneself lead to peaceful coexistence?
Great question!
I thought this was interesting. I agree that there are problems with both sides of the political spectrum. Conservatives don't want their white protestant dream world changed, as evident by such insanity as "white replacement theory" and liberals divide too much, with the "Taco Tuesday is cultural appropriation" example being a good one. Like Heycke notes, if we concentrate on the problems, such as poverty, we will help everyone that needs help, and that will disproportionately help minorities. But it will also help anyone else that needs it without the need to divide.
I wonder about Burundi.
🏳️🌈 our greatest weakness
Russia and Ukraine were the ones who did it
The blacks got the blame for the oligarchs
They murdered the whites and stole the money then blamed the blacks
Black and white fought together against the communists
Delete comments just show you can’t handle the truth
Jews
I would like to hear from a psychologist why people tend to find a scapegoat in all settings.
People still have a tribal mind and blaming the out group is easy. The time frame or reason does not matter. Gay, democrats, witches, jews,... There will always be scapegoats.
Great, thanks!
Shermer needs to have Alex Jones on
Stop with woke bs.
The Rwandese hutu/tutsi assimilation model might solve the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.
He seemed so credible - up until he dropped "Laninx". Dude, you're done.
I think "La Tinks" is supremely funny. It emphasizes the absurdity of a term that elite academics love, but most Hispanic people have never heard of before.
I had the same reaction, when he started with the mexican food I knew where this was going. Nothing smart was going to be said afterwards, and nothing did.
Critical Marxist
Ridiculus
How so?
You're the ridiculous one if you spell it 'ridiculus'
This guy is a joke
Why do you say that?
Capitulation isn't moral.@@NomDeGuerre96