Sooner or later, she too will be older than Madonna and 90% of _her_ songs will be brutally forgotten by _that_ generation. hope I Live to Tell... people so.
@@chrisrj9871 I don't think her music will be easily forgotten. The re-recorded albums that she released over the past years already cemented the fact that her music will live on in the industry in the future.
@@eclipsewaves - That's what every generation says about their music and now Gen-Z can't name more than 2 songs by Madonna, and she's been known as a hit-making machine for at least 3 decades! Holiday, Like a Prayer, Human Nature, 4 Minutes... it's kinda depressing; it's how a long-respected artist loses their legacy and when you're a fan of that artist (I range from Madonna to Foo Fighters) watching it happen... yeah I listen to stuff from way back when records were new sometimes, and the jazz age, so I can keep all those singers' legacies alive a bit longer (and they're fun).
I didn't even have to watch the Grammys to know that Taylor Swift would get all the attention there. Stuff like that is just too predictable at this point.
@@ikexbankai She literally became the first person in history to have won AOTY four times. She beat out legends like Frank Sinatra and Stevie Wonder. The Grammys were all about Taylor for this reason alone. This is the one thing everyone is walking away talking about.
@@ikexbankai Yeeeeah... not gonna lie, it sounds disingenuous to say "she lost more than she won" when she walked away with the most prestigious award of the night (and made history for winning more AOTY awards than anyone else)... especially when there were far superior contenders this year.
54:00 - Joni Mitchell had a brain aneurysm in 2015 and had a long recovery--I think it took her a while to relearn how to walk and how to play guitar. So I can see her being really invested in cementing her legacy while she still has this second chance.
Jay Z is on to something. SZA's SOS should have won. It is more artistically inspired and is just overall a more important album culturally. I love Midnights, but it's not the best album of the year or even among Taylor's best. Taylor deserved it for Folklore. Beyonce should have gotten the award for Lemonade, which was beat out by Adele's 25. Again not a bad album, but it was basically an extension of her 21 album, which she got album of the year. (Which was deserved.)
@@AriJeruexactly. Lemonade was better & more forward pushing than 25. 25 is great but no 21!! She & other black artists have been consistently disrespected by the Grammys despite their massive achievements over the years
The main thing that kinda irks be about Taylor Swift winning album of the year this year is that now she's won that award more times than Stevie Wonder. And keep in mind in order to accomplish that Stevie Wonder needed to make 3 of the best albums ever made back to back. Swift may be good, but she's not THAT good, especially since there were definitely better albums in the running this year.
1. Commercially success (physical sales, digital sales, streams, radio, tour, etc.): Midnights>SOS and other nominees 2. Critically acclaim on Metacritic: GUTS(91)>SOS (90)>Midnights(85)>other nominees (Midnights has more reviews on Metacritic than other nominees) 3. Cultural+Global impact: Midnights>SOS+other nominees 4. Breaking Records: Midnights>SOS+other nominees 5. Longevity (US+Global Charts): Midnights>SOS+other nominees Overall: Midnights Win 🎉 “a strong AOTY should have a healthy combination of success, cultural impact, and quality. it should be the album that defined music of that year” It’s called cultural+global impact when Midnights still on the Top 10 Global Spotify charts+other platforms (SOS+other niminess can’t relate). Midnights is like an epilogue album to close her 10th eras. She’s getting some lingering feelings off her chest that must have ballooned up having to go back and re-record her previous albums and revisit old memories and old wounds. Anti Hero is the best self-loathing anthem. She nailed it with the introspective and self-critical thinking. Also, Karma is a pop banger, it really showcases the “good karma” is real, the compassion, the integrity, the dedication as human being. P.S. Before this Grammys, Taylor Swift won 3 Grammys Album Of The Year in 3 different genres (country, pop, folk/alternative) in 3 different decades (2000s, 2010s, 2020s) with Fearless, 1989 and Folklore
It all depends on the year though. I agree with what you are saying; but I think she should not have won best pop vocal album; winning album of the year makes more sense. But she won both!! 🙄
@romirosta1917 that changes NOTHING. Stevie Wonder is a legend and has made phenomenal music for around 50 years. He deserves more recognition than someone who makes albums just to win awards. 😒
@@romirosta1917 Thats an interesting analysis, but you are missing one massive point. The Grammys literally have a rulebook that states what should constitute a winner. Guess what: It is specifically mentioned that winners should be awarded ONLY on artistic merit, and that sales or chart placements should NOT factor into the decision. And the funny thing is that they also write in the same vein that the reason for that is to protect the integrity of the award. The exact thing that people are critizising them forever, with another reason now. Also, it is worth mentioning that in the past, there were albums which were even more successful and acclaimed, but didn't win. So the Grammys are not being consistent here at all (not that they ever were). And i would argue that Midnights did not define this year as much. It was her tour that got all of the attention, and of course the rereleases of her old albums. SOS was truly something fresh, that also got hugely popular. Again, in the past, there were some winners only with moderate success and mediocre critiques. So that is not really a convincing argument, next to the fact that is literally goes against the rules.
@@jeremiahfink9709 Not necessarily, I just don't find her reaction very genuine. My mixed feelings about her probably affect my judgment of her reaction, but there are very valid things to criticize and dislike her for. And please don't take this comment as saying she doesn't deserve the award, I think she's very talented. I am more on the side of fatigue of her than straight up hating her 🤷♀
She did the same thing with her post about being the most-streamed artist on Spotify, something like “um wow ok this is so unreal???” as if she’s not fully aware of how big she is. The fake surprise isn’t nearly as endearing as she seems to think it is
Y’all derided Jay-Z using Beyoncé as an example regarding inconsistencies in voting but failed to acknowledge he had a point when Taylor Swift won album of the year. It’s been 25 years since a Black woman won this award but there have been many instances where the least critically praised album won the award. I know critics don’t vote on these awards … but maybe they should. 🤷🏾♂️
I was a bit deflated that they didn't pick up on this. It's clear as day to me. It kind of felt like they were running out of time and/or energy towards the end, as they didn't go into who they'd been hoping would win, who they had predicted would win, or anything involving the other nominees besides Lana, and that was only due to her getting a shout out and brought up on stage? I was hoping they'd go into it more. But then earlier on they both said they really liked Midnights. I paused the video when they were talking about Jay-Z's speech, to explain it to my partner, and I ended it by saying it was notable that after the speech the album of the year award went to Swift over SZA. I really wanted SZA to win. But it was especially disappointing to see her lose to Swift. I would have thought Taylor's campaign for her awards would probably make a big deal out of her tour, the tour movie, and all her other achievements over the actual album. I've seen a sizeable number of Taylor Swift fans online who were saying, before the show, that they felt that Midnights didn't deserve AOTY, with a lot of them saying that they thought SZA, or Lana should win. I know that the Grammy's has been a joke for a long time. The way they work doesn't make sense. It still bothers me. The fact it's been 25 years is totally wild. The fact Beyoncé has never won AOTY is wild. Especially considering with Renaissance, she had a critically acclaimed, extremely popular album, with a huge tour, and tour movie? But she didn't win AOTY. Taylor's tour wasn't even centred around Midnights. When Noah's speech about the number of women who'd been nominated was being discussed, Todd even brought up the fact that the Grammy's has issues with racism.
Can’t people just stop over praising sos? The Record, GUTS and There’s a Tunnel are way more deserving than SOS. No offense, SOS has great singles but as an album, it really lacks unity and is unbearably too lengthy.
Same. I don't hate her, I just don't care about her at all. HBut having her constantly shoved down our throats could make one hate her eventually though, from all the overexposure.
That and midnights was way too mediocre for all those wins let alone nominations. Not a hater, enjoy some songs off midnights even but album of the year? What a joke
Starting to think the Grammy's, wrongfully, hate Lana. She's released to albums that even her biggest critics loved and they are still paying her dust.
they do, one voter said they have a bias against her because back in 2011 she went viral with a horrible live singing performance of video games at snl. the grammys rarely give awards to people who have a bad live singing tendence
Grammys suck, but Im sorry, SOS Is such a fucking BLAND album. It's not really coherent at all and just feels like she lazily slapped together a bunch of unreleased singles on her hard drive and called it an album. Like that album definitely paid for the horrendous amount of plastic surgery she got.
@@imnevergonnaloveagain As someone with no interest in pop stardom outside of the music, this is just a blatant lie. Yeah I could avoid all Taylor content, but at this point that would mean not reading any news, not going on any social media, and not interacting with like 65% of the human population. Like I literally can't avoid everything thats being produced around her and I'm actively trying to
@@scottbuck1572 Me who didn't even heard about her until last year💀💀💀 Yes, I heard about her during You Belong With Me and Love Story, but I didn't actively listened, then, next time I heard about her was We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together and I Knew You Were Trouble. After that was Blank Space, Shake It Off and Style. But after that, I didn't even hear about Look What You Made Me Do. What did I do? "Oh, it's Taylor Swift" and focused on my personal life instead of just surfing the internet that undoubtedly has news about her. My actual feed last year ago was just gaming like FNAF, or AA. Or new about accidents and disasters in my country. Or issues about the politics and inflation. No Taylor Swift. So I'm sorry that the internet shoves down news about her to you, you deserve better
if ocean blvd couldn’t get lana a grammy, literally nothing else she makes is going to. that album is untoppable in terms of critical appeal while staying within her style. she is gonna wind up one of those artists that the biggest institutions only give credit for their insane level of influence once they’re dead, and that’s pretty unfortunate. half the nominees are her kids basically, taylor included
Miley's comment about "iconic" was in reference to Mariah, not herself. I thought that was a very cute interaction. Besides that, at least she didn't completely snub the legend next to her like Taylor did with Celine.
Taylor Swift wins awards for simply existing. She's like a walking trophy. I guess good for her, but if I was another pop star, I'd probably be feeling rather resentful of her... [Reposted from previous video which has now been taken down]
@@culwin Imagine saying artists like SZA and Janelle Monae (who are two of the most creative women in music right now) need to Get Good^TM in relationship to Taylor "I Still Write Music Like I'm A Teenager Even Though I'm In My 30's" Swift. And, I hate to quantify myself here (because my opinion should be able to stand whether or not I hold these positions in fandom), this is coming from someone who is neutral on SZA (like said, the woman is creative as hell, she's just not for me) and who would describe themselves as a casual fan of Taylor Swift. I *liked* Midnights (sans Karma, because I don't like being pandered to). She was cute. But let's forreal, y'all.
@@kendallmonge649 1. Commercially success (physical sales, digital sales, streams, radio, tour, etc.): Midnights>SOS and other nominees 2. Critically acclaim on Metacritic: GUTS(91)>SOS (90)>Midnights(85)>other nominees (Midnights has more reviews on Metacritic than other nominees) 3. Cultural+Global impact: Midnights>SOS+other nominees 4. Breaking Records: Midnights>SOS+other nominees 5. Longevity (US+Global Charts): Midnights>SOS+other nominees Overall: Midnights Win 🎉 “a strong AOTY should have a healthy combination of success, cultural impact, and quality. it should be the album that defined music of that year” It’s called cultural+global impact when Midnights still on the Top 10 Global Spotify charts+other platforms (SOS+other niminess can’t relate). Midnights is like an epilogue album to close her 10th eras. She’s getting some lingering feelings off her chest that must have ballooned up having to go back and re-record her previous albums and revisit old memories and old wounds. Anti Hero is the best self-loathing anthem. She nailed it with the introspective and self-critical thinking. Also, Karma is a pop banger, it really showcases the “good karma” is real, the compassion, the integrity, the dedication as human being. P.S. Before this Grammys, Taylor Swift won 3 Grammys Album Of The Year in 3 different genres (country, pop, folk/alternative) in 3 different decades (2000s, 2010s, 2020s) with Fearless, 1989 and Folklore
Emmys used to let people remove their names from contention. Candice Bergen, Helen Hunt, and Oprah Winfrey all had to do this b/c the Emmys never knew when to quit and all three wanted to spread the wealth after multiple wins. Not sure if the Grammys would allow it but Taylor, if Oprah can do it....
Artists have to submit their music to get nominated and can choose not to (The Weeknd and Frank Ocean have publicly chosen not to in the last few years) but I don’t see Taylor refusing to submit her music so she’s probably going to keep getting handed awards
The problem is you would have to assume Taylor would have the humbleness to stop submitting her work for Grammy nominations but her ego will never let her leave the spotlight.
I'm sort of miffed by Taylor treating the grammy's as her own personal promotion stage. Like as was said in the podcast ep, you just don't do that on stage. And at this point it's basically assured Taylor will come out with one of the big awards. At this point we already know how good she is, so let's allow someone else to receive some much needed attention.
@@ikexbankai I mean agree to disagree. Winners at these sorts of things are fairly subjective. And my personal opinion is that someone like Lana or SZA should have taken AOTY. And it’s also very much personal preference of thinking yes this person deserved it or no this person didn’t.
I rhink everyone just accepted the fact that Taylor Swift was going to resume her reign of terror and steamroll everyone, so that's why there wasn't really too much talk going into this show.
Taylor Swift makes extremely average pop music that doesn't stand out from others in the genre in any way. Her popularity is 90% branding and her music is just the carrier for her celebrity, the ritz cracker you put the cheese and cold cuts on. The songs are just cute little ditties, they don't matter. Her real job is being super famous, not making music. And Grammys are just a popularity contest, not a measure of musical brilliance.
I agree that a lot of her pop music is average, but I’d say a lot of her other music isn’t as cookie cutter. I’m more of a casual Taylor enjoyer and I get her music not being people’s taste, but a lot of her songs lean more into singer/songwriter territory and I think her writing style resonates with a lot of people for a reason. Like, you know a Taylor verse when you hear it yknow? I get being exhausted by her overexposure and the Grammys favoring her over people like Olivia and Lana who absolutely deserved to walk away with something, but in my mind it isn’t surprising that she’s ascended to the level that she has.
@@SamanthaLove-p6z Not really. When I hear a Taylor Swift song (against my will in stores and such) I don't automatically go, oh, this is a Taylor Swift song, can't possibly mistake it for anyone else because it's so distinct. It's not distinct. Because all these pop artists today are working with the same writers and producers churning out instantly familiar music. I only know a Taylor Swift song as hers because she will sing the title of the song at some point, probably the chorus, and I hear mention of Taylor Swift song titles, also against my will. Neither her voice or her style are distinctive in my opinion. It could be anyone as far as I'm concerned. However, even if I had neutral to mildly positive opinions about her work, I'd start hating her just a little bit anyway because she's always in my fucking face, against my will. Which is not her fault.
@@moonlily1I feel like it’s a stretch to say that all pop artists sound the same or similar. Maybe it’s just because pop is one of the genres I listen to the most, but I can pretty easily pick out who’s who, even people like Tate McRae who isn’t very interesting. But on top of that a lot of artists around Taylor’s level of fame do make distinct music but you wouldn’t know it if you don’t seek them out because the record labels always push the most agreeable sounding songs to the masses. If you’re listening to the radio or going to Target or whatever, everything kinda blends together in a really boring way, so if that’s your primary exposure I can understand why you’d feel this way. Also hate is a strong word but I understand being tired of her being so overexposed. I wouldn’t mind a break from her and I don’t even dislike her.
@@SamanthaLove-p6z No, it's not. The vast majority of music is being made by a handful of popular song writers and producers. There's a sort of univerals bass line that's frequently utilized with slight variants. Pop music is intentionally made to sound the same because the human brain favors familiarity. A Spanish study has found that there has been a significant reduction in musical complexity since it peaked in 1966 with significantly fewer instruments used on an average track and a much smaller lyrical vocabulary. There's a video about it.
I'll say it again, I personally feel the only reason "Flowers" is as strong as it is, is because of its juxtaposition to "When I Was Your Man" by Bruno Mars because its basically a diss track/response against the songwriter (her ex) which to me feels like a rare novelty. I felt WIWYM was equally overplayed and mid, but now its achieved some sort of decade wide resonance with Flowers.
As a huge Swiftie, even I'm kind of sick of seeing her everywhere. I really wish she would go away a bit after her tour and give the general public time to miss her. But I'll never say no to a new album, even if I don't like the timing. It does look interesting.
@@jellytwins1018 True, but you can't deny that she is inadvertently being inserted into every aspect of culture right now; music media, sports media, and now even politics (none of which is really her fault) She's kinda inescapable right now.
@@jellytwins1018 Because we don't have as much control over the content we're exposed to on social media as we like to think. Blocking and muting people, as well as hitting "I'm not interested" on stuff we don't want to see only goes so far. At some point, people and topics become so overexposed, you cannot avoid them.
@@jellytwins1018 it's only easy to miss her if you stick to the kinds of communities that don't talk about her. (e.g. I am into extreme metal and she comes up mayyyybe once every other week in conversation around the Discords and comment sections I dwell within. shocker, I know: Taylor Swift is not a big deal with fans of Opeth, Madder Mortem, Celtic Frost, Autopsy, etc., lmao.) but you go anywhere else and she's so popular with something for everyone that she is gonna come up a fuck ton.
That Tracy Chapman and Luke Conbs performance has to be the best part of it. Perhaps that should'vebren saved for last because everyone was feeling it. I missed the Tina Turner tribute unfortunately.
Podcast name: "The Grammys can't stop awarding Taylor Swift... make it stop" Actual podcast content: "The Grammys awarded an appropriate number of awards to Taylor"
@booperdooper2631 The Weeknd wasn't nominated because he criticized the Grammys. (He was right, by the way. And they were petty to not recognize the greatness of "Blinding Lights" or After Hours that year.) The Grammys are bizarrely subjective and inconsistent, so at this point, I legitimately don't understand why any reasonable people would take their judgment seriously. And if anyone still does, then I'd like them to educate me as to why 1989 won AOTY over To Pimp a Butterfly, 25 won AOTY over Lemonade, and The Heist (by Macklemore) won Best Rap Album over Good Kid MAAD City. All I'm saying is that several genre-defining, era-defining albums, all of which are considered scholarly works and some of the greatest albums ever made, were shafted... and albums that a lot of people have comparatively forgotten about, won.
It’s not though. It’s an award ceremony for a trade industry, determined by a group of members from within said trade, which has notably snubbed the most popular choices in past years.
@@dustypirate28 with wholly objective categories such as "best new artist" Best at fucking what?? Making art? Art is wholly subjective to say anyone is better then anyone is to diminish their expression, which is what art is meant to be about.
@@idunnowhattonamemyself-vr4qv I always thought that album was alright. If Lana won her first few Grammys for it, it would just be a makeup for NFR or Born to Die
This is the most I've cared about the Grammys in a while. I didnt watch it, but my social media algorithms havent stopped hitting me with content from it in the last few days. In a bad year all people woukd be talking about is Midnights beating SOS. I've seen more people talking about Miley and Tracey Chapman
I still don’t understand why so many people love Swift like she’s their mom. The songwriting is pretty bland, not bad, but bland. Her personality is even bland. I’ve even asked Swifties for some recommendations and I’ve listened, but the songs were all pretty trite.
Back when they had the podcast about Flowers vs Vampire, I swore I never heard of either song. Then I remembered I DID hear Flowers multiple times on the radio, but it just so forgettable I didn't realize it. I've heard the song several times since that and...yeah...I keep forgetting I do.
As a “Taylor stan” (as Todd put it lol) I agree that 2 awards *felt right* but I am very surprised Midnights won AOTY over “Did You Know There’s A Tunnel Under Ocean Blvd?”. I think even Taylor Swift was surprised by that one.
Finding out Regina George aka Taylor Swift titled her new ablum after Joe's groupchat is so idk ick like it give HS mean girl 😂💀 Like you just told your new bf you loved him last week and are supposably in a "happy" relationship yet you're releasing this album?? Girl grow up💀 Also her getting best vocal and literally robbing Kelly Clarkson is wiiiild
She literally wrote the album before she even met Travis. Also, I'm pretty sure people are allowed to write songs about whatever they want, and we don't know what this album will be about until the songs are out there. So maybe chill out with the misogyny, Bob Dylan wrote lots of songs about his exes but I don't see you fanbois whining about that.
@annaphallactic I'm a woman and I think Taylor is talented, but all of the highly specific Easter eggs referencing exes do seem petty to me. You don't have to be a misogynist to find that annoying.
@@annaphallactic critiquing a woman doesn't make me a "misogynist" keep reaching 💀💀💀 I'm not even a fan of Bob Dylan which is a weird assumption you're making aside from my gender by calling referring to me as a fanboi 😂 Idgaf if she wrote it before Travis or not again the fact she named the album after Joe's group chat is super telling that she obviously isn't over him specifically and is being obsessively petty, again very cringey & emotionally stunted of her like the rest of her mediocre discography which ig is why people like you like her music so much, ya'll have that weird Peter Pan syndrome
@@JebusMatoi I mean, like 70% of all pop music is about break ups. If we're comparing Taylor to the other nominees, Miley, Olivia Rodrigo, and even Boygenius' records are all mostly about relationship drama.
What is there not to understand about how people felt about a white, straight, male country singer remaking a classic song by a black, lesbian woman? Yes, Fast Car did get praised back in the day, but you very well know there was no such thing as the internet or social media back then. I don't have a problem with his remake, especially since he has credited her every step of the way, but I do understand why people took issue with it. Americans like to act like things don't matter and didn't matter unless they were done by white, straight men. It took him remaking the song for HER to get recognized as the songwriter by the CMAs!!! If he had been a pop singer, the backlash might not have been as overt, but the fact that he is a country singer, a genre that likes to pretend that black people don't matter...yeah, I get why people were pissed off.
I'll be glad when people wake up as if from a hangover and go "why was I such a useless psycho on behalf of a multi-millionaire that doesn't give a single shit about me?" and all those swifties and other useless fandoms just vanish, a collective hallucination gone as quickly as this era came, leaving behind a wake of embarassment that comedians laugh about on retrospectives in 20 years.
flowers is more for the story around it than the song itself. i can’t stand it, but i think the message behind it really resonated with a lot of people. definitely not worthy of this level of praise though.
You know the Grammys aren't a showcase for hot, new artists anymore when 80 year old Joni Mitchell and 74 year old Billy Joel were the best performances of the night. (Billie Ellish was a major exception) Miley Cyrus winning a Grammy was a major low point and her performance was even worse. Taylor Swift winning Album of the Year for that bland, overproduced pile of nothing was also an embarrassment and the fact that she announced a new record means she will sweep next year's ceremony SZA and Boygenius were robbed.
Taylor Swift should NOT have won best pop vocal album. That should have gone to Lana or Kelly or someone whose main thing is “vocals.” Taylor is a good pick for album of the year.. but best pop vocal? kinda sus.
I'll admit that I'm too old to know who most of these people are, I bassically tuned in to hear your take on Joni's performances and you sure did not disappoint. It seems like she's finally receiving the respect she deserves, even though it's late in the game it's still moving to see.
Especially with everything she’s gone through in recent years. She had a brain aneurysm years ago and almost died, and couldn’t walk for several years let alone perform. I wonder if that health scare has caused her to reevaluate her own thoughts on her legacy, and lean into her place in history.
Love the episode but the section about JayZ is a little disappointing. It’s bigger than Beyoncé. I feel like you flattened the convo around race and the history of the Grammys.
Dang the re-upload eraced my previous comment. But I'll say it again. I 💯 expected Taylor to get AOTY for no other reason than as a reward for all the money and exposure she generated for the music business as a whole. What she was able to accomplish in physical album sales and concert sales is no small feat and Mind boggling and respectable. And I say this as a non-Swifty and at times anti-Swift. I don't like her music. But one thing you can't argue with us success and that she accomplished in spades. I know we want it to be about what the music is on thd album, but don't think for one minute this was about the music. It was about what she was about what her machine means to the music business as a whole.
Exactly. And grammy aoty has historically always been based on critical acclaim plus the commercial and cultural appeal an album holds. And no album or era had the world on chokehold like midnight did. It was everywhere.
I swear I saw so many Swifties almost apologizing to each other for not liking Midnights. I think there were a lot of them who blamed Jack Antonoff's production as their reason as to why they think the album was bad too. I don't pay much attention to the Grammys ever so that's why I was so surprised that she won.
Not sure about that. The Grammy Award for Album of the Year specifically says that the award is, direct quote: "to honor artistic achievement, technical proficiency, and overall excellence in the recording industry, without regard to album sales, chart position, or critical reception." I'm not really understanding where, given that criteria, 'Midnights' outdid Boygenius's 'The Record', SZA's 'SOS', or Lana del Ray's 'DYKTTATUOB'. And if you want to go there - that they reward people for success, money/exposure generated for the music business, and a year of domination and massive accomplishments - then it begs the question of why The Weeknd was nominated for absolutely nothing when 'After Hours' dominated the world, he had the honor of performing at the Super Bowl, and no one could get away from "Blinding Lights," which is THE most successful song IN AMERICAN HISTORY. #1 on the Billboard Hot 100 All-Time chart. (I mean, I think we all know why he wasn't nominated lol.) The point is that the Grammys are inconsistent and subjective. It's not about the music on the album; it's not about the artist's success that year, either. It isn't about anything consistent. I'm honestly beyond the point of taking them seriously anymore.
@@kendallmonge649 I don't care what they say in their guidelines... The voting process is very political inside the industry. That being said I agree that After Hours and "Blinding Lights" should have been nominated. Not sure he would have won AOTY because Taylor's "Folklore" would have probably won it the first place (especially because it was billed as her "daring" indie album, though it's I'm less critical about that album than most of her others, I didn't find it daring at all) I personally wanted Black Pumas to win because that is a hands down killer album, but I knew that was a long shot. But l I even thought Dua Lipa's Future Nostalgia was more deserving that Folklore... But back to the Weeknd the Grammys did him wrong because not only was that an groundbreaking but massively popular.
@@CrunchyFrog47 I get that. Like you, I would have preferred if Future Nostalgia won that year, but I wasn't particularly bothered by Taylor's victory with Folklore because unlike Midnights, I thought it was a legitimately good album (even if I didn't think it was the best of the nominees). I'm not a Swiftie, but I gotta give credit where it's due; I didn't find it daring at all, either, but I did think it was among her highest-quality and most consistent work. But it's just laughable that The Weeknd wasn't nominated that year, even if he likely wouldn't have won. Their neglect to nominate him for A SINGLE AWARD that year completely dashes any chance they have of pretending that it's about an artist's success, critical reception, or domination. But my point was exactly that: that the Grammys ARE highly political and insider-driven/industry-driven, and susceptible to weird biases and preconceived notions about certain genres and styles of music and performance (which is, I think, a big reason why rap albums hardly win AOTY). Grammy winners are not decided by quality, sales, or anything consistent and remotely possible to trace. Given that, I don't understand why so many people use Grammy awards as a metric of the "best" or most meritorious music in any given year. Or ever. It never has been, and at this point, I don't even think they're pretending anymore.
Even Taylor didn’t want to win, if she knew ahead, she would have announced her new Dead poets society album when she won AOTY instead of best pop vocal album
Most of the winners were alright. Karol G and SZA's speeches were my favorites. Jay-Z's speech started as something cringey yet cute, but it got worse and worse. The In Memoriam segment was a mess! I understand the need to dedicate more time to the dead people that left a bigger impact, but there must be a structure. The start-stop-start again flow with different presenters and performers... I was constantly thinking "I guess it's over--Oh, never mind" (especially when Jon Batiste finished his song by yelling at the audience how good it is to be alive, which felt like the right moment to end). And I'm not supposed to roll my eyes and wish for it to be over. I'm supposed to feel emotional.
I know you recorded this for Taylor Swift, but I'm mainly here for your reactions toward Killer Mike's reward finally happening and Travis Scott causing a shitshow for censorship at hand with his performance.
This just proves that it was an excuse to give participation trophies to Swift just for vocalising, and that she needs to go the f-ck away for a while!
There is a certain word that describes MIDnights perfectly, but I’m having a hard time remembering it. But this is Taylor’s year I guess, so she has to win even though SZA and boygenius deserved it way more.
Saw Billie Eilish at Coachella, she is a good enough live performer that while I don't ever listen to her music in my spare time I'd happily go to her set at any festival I happened to be at
I get that they didn't release an album this year so they couldn't be nominated but the fact that Taylor has won 14 fucking grammies and Tegan and Sara in their 25 year career have won NONE and only been nominated ONCE for their 2011 live album is bonkers
My opinion of flowers is that it feels like surface level feminism that we’ve all already known about it’s not ‘groundbreaking’ in that regard but people want to make it that way. It doesn’t have the emotion in ’if I were a boy’ for example. Idk it feels toothless ( note: this is probably something to do with it being just pop) it’s trying to get me with it’s gums. I don’t know like I enjoyed the Barbie movie but for me it’s what maxed out that very white middle class centeric feminism this year for me and it seems like everyone else wants to harbor on that and not any other depth. At least rock could address this more but it’s not reaching the radio now days
"if I were a boy" may have had more emotion because of the quality of the singer performing it but not the content of its lyrics, also very superficial in terms of its perspective on feminist ideas
It's not suppose to be feminism. It's just a light hearted song about a break up and being single. Not every women song targeted to women had to be this all empowering political symbol.
@@via45 .ok. so things can be made for other things and by large people will identify it with a different thing than what it was made for. Every type of artist has had this happen. Once I painted a white bird among white clouds and used purple and blue as my shading. Prince died one or two weeks before it was shown off at an exhibit and everyone there thought it was a Prince tribute due to the purple shading on the heavy clouds (they kept mentioning purple rain) and how I had etched ‘spirit in the sky’ on it. Due to current events the painting was incorporated to other things in their minds. The painting had a different meaning The mass population gave it a new meaning. If someone was annoyed that I ‘painted a Prince tribute’ or ‘referenced purple rain on a mourning tribute’ that’s that. However I will point out that as a successful artist and how they have access to other things being developed (particularly music of course) Miley Cyrus definitely had some idea that her work would probably tie to the Barbie feminism thing that’d happen no matter her most personal motivator for the song
"all innocent lives" is probably the most threatening statement i can imagine. saying nothing about the genocide is shitty, that's a goddamn endorsement.
Since you're doing a Song Vs. Song on "Goodbye Earl" and "Before He Cheats", my vote is going to Carrie Underwood. I'd also like to know what are your thoughts on the passing of Toby Keith, and what memories did his music bring to you, since I know you're a country music fan like me.
Taylor Swift is working her a** this last couple of years,it is not like she is getting all the attention for no reason but is it really her fault that media is mentioning her every second? Is it her fault that NFL literally used her as promo? This is the same narrative that when women is successful there is just “something we do not like about her” and “I am tired of her”. Why? Because she is doing her job? And doing it extremely successfully? She deserved that Grammy, she is an amazing storyteller and songwriter. She is already an icon and she will not be forgotten nor she should be so haters gonna hate hate hate
She could go under the radar if she really wanted to. She loves the fame and adulation, all of it completely unwarranted. You need to get out of your bubble and listen to some real music.
I disagree that this grammy had less chatter than usual, it got more views and everyone was talking about the nicki barbie world fluke and what jay-z was saying on stage.
The album announcement was planned, meaning that Taylor knew that she was gonna win at least one big category award. And like… yeah… we all knew that, the Grammys wouldn’t miss an opportunity to have her make a huge announcement on their ceremony. I don’t really like midnights but I don’t think that it like stole album of the year from something far more deserving, I guess sos was best out of what was up
now that you're done with the year end lists, here are some one hit wonderland and trainwreckords ideas for this year one hit wonders: andrea true connection-more more more katrina & the waves-walking on sunshine tracy ullman-they don't know merril bainbridge-mouth jennifer page-crush yvonne elliman-if i can't have you kevin rudolf-let it rock musical youth-pass the dutchie matthew wilder-break my stride fountains of wayne-stacy's mom george thorogood-bad to the bone trainwreckords: guns n roses-chinesse democracy chance the rapper-the big day (FIVE YEARS ALREADY) lupe fiasco-lasers daryl hall and john oates-change of season donna summer-mistaken identity debbie gibson-body, mind, soul spice girls-forever fleetwood mac-time billy squier-signs of life talking heads-true stories genesis-calling all stations
I'll chime in with mine again: One Hit Wonderlands: * Tony Rich Project -- "Nobody Knows" * Joan Osborne -- "One of Us" * Primitive Radio Gods -- "Standing Outside a Broken Phone Booth with Money in My Hand" (a pre-Fall Out Boy/Panic! song title if there ever was one) * The Verve Pipe -- "The Freshmen" * Dishwalla -- "Counting Blue Cars (Tell Me All Your Thoughts on God)" Trainwreckords: * Eminem -- Encore or Relapse * Justin Timberlake -- Man of the Woods
Excellent choices. Here are mine that were bouncing around in my head for a while: One-Hit Wonderland: "Cult of Personality" by Living Colour, "Sunless Saturday" by Fishbone Trainwreckords: Rage Against the Machine's last album before Zach de la Rocha and the rest of the band parted ways (I forget if they fired him or he quit), then replacing him with Chris Cornell (who could actually SING!), changing their sound, and their name to Audioslave.
i'm a swiftie and i personally think that Midnights did not need the album of the year win. I get why 'folklore' and '1989' got grammys because one was her magnum opus and the other became some kind of pop bible. I still think her lyricism in Midnights is great, but otherwise, its just another one of her pop records- like reputation, there's nothing 'special' about it. SOS was such a strong contender and needed that win. At least Lana's Ocean Blvd deserved something, but we already know that the recording academy doesn't take her seriously enough.
I’ve literally hated every Miley Cyrus song she ever released except for Flowers. That’s the one song where I was like “oh this is a good song. It’s not trying too hard. She finally figured it out.” It’s honestly funny to me you guys hate it 😂
I like her stuff where she leans into her rock side more. She has a very good voice for that, her cover of “nothing else matters” by Metallica was great! Seeing her do songs like that and Olivia Rodrigo do more of the pop punk stuff is great, some of these pop stars have a lot of talent for more then just pop
No hate on taylor, but i don't want the narrative of "it's Taylor Swift's world, we're just living in it" to have more weight than it already does.
Sooner or later, she too will be older than Madonna and 90% of _her_ songs will be brutally forgotten by _that_ generation. hope I Live to Tell... people so.
@@chrisrj9871 with how people love her music, old, new, and re recorded, I'm not sure if her music will forgotten like that.
@@chrisrj9871 I don't think her music will be easily forgotten. The re-recorded albums that she released over the past years already cemented the fact that her music will live on in the industry in the future.
@@eclipsewaves - That's what every generation says about their music and now Gen-Z can't name more than 2 songs by Madonna, and she's been known as a hit-making machine for at least 3 decades! Holiday, Like a Prayer, Human Nature, 4 Minutes... it's kinda depressing; it's how a long-respected artist loses their legacy and when you're a fan of that artist (I range from Madonna to Foo Fighters) watching it happen... yeah I listen to stuff from way back when records were new sometimes, and the jazz age, so I can keep all those singers' legacies alive a bit longer (and they're fun).
@@otisedwards8827 - that's what every generation says.
I’m just glad that Tracy Chapman and Luke Combs had a good time on that stage together.
I caught that, thought it sounded nice, and saw Taylor singing along to it.
Best moment tbh
Maybe the manufactured rage over a country cover can go away for good now
They were so good; I just wished they did more! Like Todd said, if they'd harmonised some, it would've been a great performance!! 😪
They had zero chemistry in that performance but the moment still made me smile
Same
I didn't even have to watch the Grammys to know that Taylor Swift would get all the attention there. Stuff like that is just too predictable at this point.
Right?! 😂
Taylor only won 2 awards. She lost more than she won. She lost most of the awards she was up for
@@ikexbankai She literally became the first person in history to have won AOTY four times. She beat out legends like Frank Sinatra and Stevie Wonder. The Grammys were all about Taylor for this reason alone. This is the one thing everyone is walking away talking about.
@@ikexbankai Yeeeeah... not gonna lie, it sounds disingenuous to say "she lost more than she won" when she walked away with the most prestigious award of the night (and made history for winning more AOTY awards than anyone else)... especially when there were far superior contenders this year.
@@kendallmonge649far superior? Like what
54:00 - Joni Mitchell had a brain aneurysm in 2015 and had a long recovery--I think it took her a while to relearn how to walk and how to play guitar. So I can see her being really invested in cementing her legacy while she still has this second chance.
I had no idea. I'll have to seek out her performance.
Jay Z is on to something. SZA's SOS should have won. It is more artistically inspired and is just overall a more important album culturally. I love Midnights, but it's not the best album of the year or even among Taylor's best. Taylor deserved it for Folklore. Beyonce should have gotten the award for Lemonade, which was beat out by Adele's 25. Again not a bad album, but it was basically an extension of her 21 album, which she got album of the year. (Which was deserved.)
This!!
Yup and Kendrick not winning best Rap album for TPAB, and losing to Macklemore, is absolutely insane to me.
I can’t believe Lemonade didn’t win. It was amazing
Even Adele called them out. Which is why I’m guessing 30 didn’t win last year.
@@AriJeruexactly. Lemonade was better & more forward pushing than 25. 25 is great but no 21!! She & other black artists have been consistently disrespected by the Grammys despite their massive achievements over the years
The main thing that kinda irks be about Taylor Swift winning album of the year this year is that now she's won that award more times than Stevie Wonder. And keep in mind in order to accomplish that Stevie Wonder needed to make 3 of the best albums ever made back to back. Swift may be good, but she's not THAT good, especially since there were definitely better albums in the running this year.
Stevie is a once in a lifetime talent like MJ or Whitney. The Grammys need Taylor to win AOTY to get anyone to talk about the Grammys anymore.
1. Commercially success (physical sales, digital sales, streams, radio, tour, etc.): Midnights>SOS and other nominees
2. Critically acclaim on Metacritic: GUTS(91)>SOS (90)>Midnights(85)>other nominees (Midnights has more reviews on Metacritic than other nominees)
3. Cultural+Global impact: Midnights>SOS+other nominees
4. Breaking Records: Midnights>SOS+other nominees
5. Longevity (US+Global Charts): Midnights>SOS+other nominees
Overall: Midnights Win 🎉
“a strong AOTY should have a healthy combination of success, cultural impact, and quality. it should be the album that defined music of that year”
It’s called cultural+global impact when Midnights still on the Top 10 Global Spotify charts+other platforms (SOS+other niminess can’t relate).
Midnights is like an epilogue album to close her 10th eras. She’s getting some lingering feelings off her chest that must have ballooned up having to go back and re-record her previous albums and revisit old memories and old wounds. Anti Hero is the best self-loathing anthem. She nailed it with the introspective and self-critical thinking. Also, Karma is a pop banger, it really showcases the “good karma” is real, the compassion, the integrity, the dedication as human being.
P.S. Before this Grammys, Taylor Swift won 3 Grammys Album Of The Year in 3 different genres (country, pop, folk/alternative) in 3 different decades (2000s, 2010s, 2020s) with Fearless, 1989 and Folklore
It all depends on the year though. I agree with what you are saying; but I think she should not have won best pop vocal album; winning album of the year makes more sense. But she won both!! 🙄
@romirosta1917 that changes NOTHING. Stevie Wonder is a legend and has made phenomenal music for around 50 years. He deserves more recognition than someone who makes albums just to win awards. 😒
@@romirosta1917 Thats an interesting analysis, but you are missing one massive point. The Grammys literally have a rulebook that states what should constitute a winner. Guess what: It is specifically mentioned that winners should be awarded ONLY on artistic merit, and that sales or chart placements should NOT factor into the decision. And the funny thing is that they also write in the same vein that the reason for that is to protect the integrity of the award. The exact thing that people are critizising them forever, with another reason now.
Also, it is worth mentioning that in the past, there were albums which were even more successful and acclaimed, but didn't win. So the Grammys are not being consistent here at all (not that they ever were). And i would argue that Midnights did not define this year as much. It was her tour that got all of the attention, and of course the rereleases of her old albums. SOS was truly something fresh, that also got hugely popular. Again, in the past, there were some winners only with moderate success and mediocre critiques. So that is not really a convincing argument, next to the fact that is literally goes against the rules.
I don't watch award shows, I judge them based on how much pain they make Lina and Todd feel
I'm just annoyed that she pretends to be surprised when she wins all the time
You would be annoyed if she acted like she was expecting it every time too, she cant ever win with you
@@jeremiahfink9709and how do you know that
@@jeremiahfink9709 Not necessarily, I just don't find her reaction very genuine. My mixed feelings about her probably affect my judgment of her reaction, but there are very valid things to criticize and dislike her for. And please don't take this comment as saying she doesn't deserve the award, I think she's very talented. I am more on the side of fatigue of her than straight up hating her 🤷♀
She did the same thing with her post about being the most-streamed artist on Spotify, something like “um wow ok this is so unreal???” as if she’s not fully aware of how big she is. The fake surprise isn’t nearly as endearing as she seems to think it is
The AOTY is surely surprising it was a tight competition
Y’all derided Jay-Z using Beyoncé as an example regarding inconsistencies in voting but failed to acknowledge he had a point when Taylor Swift won album of the year. It’s been 25 years since a Black woman won this award but there have been many instances where the least critically praised album won the award. I know critics don’t vote on these awards … but maybe they should. 🤷🏾♂️
I was a bit deflated that they didn't pick up on this. It's clear as day to me.
It kind of felt like they were running out of time and/or energy towards the end, as they didn't go into who they'd been hoping would win, who they had predicted would win, or anything involving the other nominees besides Lana, and that was only due to her getting a shout out and brought up on stage?
I was hoping they'd go into it more. But then earlier on they both said they really liked Midnights.
I paused the video when they were talking about Jay-Z's speech, to explain it to my partner, and I ended it by saying it was notable that after the speech the album of the year award went to Swift over SZA.
I really wanted SZA to win. But it was especially disappointing to see her lose to Swift. I would have thought Taylor's campaign for her awards would probably make a big deal out of her tour, the tour movie, and all her other achievements over the actual album.
I've seen a sizeable number of Taylor Swift fans online who were saying, before the show, that they felt that Midnights didn't deserve AOTY, with a lot of them saying that they thought SZA, or Lana should win.
I know that the Grammy's has been a joke for a long time. The way they work doesn't make sense.
It still bothers me. The fact it's been 25 years is totally wild. The fact Beyoncé has never won AOTY is wild. Especially considering with Renaissance, she had a critically acclaimed, extremely popular album, with a huge tour, and tour movie? But she didn't win AOTY.
Taylor's tour wasn't even centred around Midnights.
When Noah's speech about the number of women who'd been nominated was being discussed, Todd even brought up the fact that the Grammy's has issues with racism.
Then why do you care? If the award is racist why care who they give it to?
@@maxillebastille9079entitlement basically
@@maxillebastille9079Stop acting dense.
Can’t people just stop over praising sos? The Record, GUTS and There’s a Tunnel are way more deserving than SOS. No offense, SOS has great singles but as an album, it really lacks unity and is unbearably too lengthy.
i think taylor swift too overexposed for comfort, and i am not a "hater" or anything like that.
Same. I don't hate her, I just don't care about her at all. HBut having her constantly shoved down our throats could make one hate her eventually though, from all the overexposure.
That and midnights was way too mediocre for all those wins let alone nominations. Not a hater, enjoy some songs off midnights even but album of the year? What a joke
It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. She's popular because she's popular. That's all anyone cares about.
Starting to think the Grammy's, wrongfully, hate Lana. She's released to albums that even her biggest critics loved and they are still paying her dust.
She's dull
one of the committee members recently legit said he will never take her seriously after her SNL performance… from over 12 years ago.
they do, one voter said they have a bias against her because back in 2011 she went viral with a horrible live singing performance of video games at snl. the grammys rarely give awards to people who have a bad live singing tendence
Grammys suck, but Im sorry, SOS Is such a fucking BLAND album. It's not really coherent at all and just feels like she lazily slapped together a bunch of unreleased singles on her hard drive and called it an album. Like that album definitely paid for the horrendous amount of plastic surgery she got.
@@nickparton5663 if lanas dull they taylor is the musical equivalent of watching paint dry
Literally I just want ONE DAY WITHOUT HEARING ABOUT TAYLOR SWIFT IT IS ALL I ASK FOR WORLD
she’s releasing 2 albums this year and still on tour and she’ll be all over the Super Bowl sunday
cool thanks judith@@judithk1719
As they said, don't engage in any news about Taylor Swift, and the internet/social media will take the hint and NOT tell a news about her to YOU.
@@imnevergonnaloveagain As someone with no interest in pop stardom outside of the music, this is just a blatant lie. Yeah I could avoid all Taylor content, but at this point that would mean not reading any news, not going on any social media, and not interacting with like 65% of the human population. Like I literally can't avoid everything thats being produced around her and I'm actively trying to
@@scottbuck1572 Me who didn't even heard about her until last year💀💀💀
Yes, I heard about her during You Belong With Me and Love Story, but I didn't actively listened, then, next time I heard about her was We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together and I Knew You Were Trouble. After that was Blank Space, Shake It Off and Style. But after that, I didn't even hear about Look What You Made Me Do. What did I do? "Oh, it's Taylor Swift" and focused on my personal life instead of just surfing the internet that undoubtedly has news about her.
My actual feed last year ago was just gaming like FNAF, or AA. Or new about accidents and disasters in my country. Or issues about the politics and inflation. No Taylor Swift.
So I'm sorry that the internet shoves down news about her to you, you deserve better
if ocean blvd couldn’t get lana a grammy, literally nothing else she makes is going to. that album is untoppable in terms of critical appeal while staying within her style. she is gonna wind up one of those artists that the biggest institutions only give credit for their insane level of influence once they’re dead, and that’s pretty unfortunate. half the nominees are her kids basically, taylor included
I just don’t see her putting out anything better. I could be wrong but the album is THAT good. If they can’t see it now then I doubt they ever will.
Miley's comment about "iconic" was in reference to Mariah, not herself. I thought that was a very cute interaction. Besides that, at least she didn't completely snub the legend next to her like Taylor did with Celine.
They took a picture together immediately after...
Grasping at straws for anything negative.
@@hilariparsons9937 its called damage control
@@starryeyes999 whatever suits your narrative
Taylor Swift wins awards for simply existing. She's like a walking trophy. I guess good for her, but if I was another pop star, I'd probably be feeling rather resentful of her...
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Maybe those other pop stars should be better
@@culwin Most of them were WAY better than she was this year, and they still lost, so...
@@culwin Imagine saying artists like SZA and Janelle Monae (who are two of the most creative women in music right now) need to Get Good^TM in relationship to Taylor "I Still Write Music Like I'm A Teenager Even Though I'm In My 30's" Swift.
And, I hate to quantify myself here (because my opinion should be able to stand whether or not I hold these positions in fandom), this is coming from someone who is neutral on SZA (like said, the woman is creative as hell, she's just not for me) and who would describe themselves as a casual fan of Taylor Swift. I *liked* Midnights (sans Karma, because I don't like being pandered to). She was cute. But let's forreal, y'all.
@@kendallmonge649 1. Commercially success (physical sales, digital sales, streams, radio, tour, etc.): Midnights>SOS and other nominees
2. Critically acclaim on Metacritic: GUTS(91)>SOS (90)>Midnights(85)>other nominees (Midnights has more reviews on Metacritic than other nominees)
3. Cultural+Global impact: Midnights>SOS+other nominees
4. Breaking Records: Midnights>SOS+other nominees
5. Longevity (US+Global Charts): Midnights>SOS+other nominees
Overall: Midnights Win 🎉
“a strong AOTY should have a healthy combination of success, cultural impact, and quality. it should be the album that defined music of that year”
It’s called cultural+global impact when Midnights still on the Top 10 Global Spotify charts+other platforms (SOS+other niminess can’t relate).
Midnights is like an epilogue album to close her 10th eras. She’s getting some lingering feelings off her chest that must have ballooned up having to go back and re-record her previous albums and revisit old memories and old wounds. Anti Hero is the best self-loathing anthem. She nailed it with the introspective and self-critical thinking. Also, Karma is a pop banger, it really showcases the “good karma” is real, the compassion, the integrity, the dedication as human being.
P.S. Before this Grammys, Taylor Swift won 3 Grammys Album Of The Year in 3 different genres (country, pop, folk/alternative) in 3 different decades (2000s, 2010s, 2020s) with Fearless, 1989 and Folklore
@@culwin Why? Taylor isn't better and she still wins. Doesn't seem to have anything to do with your talent or output.
Emmys used to let people remove their names from contention. Candice Bergen, Helen Hunt, and Oprah Winfrey all had to do this b/c the Emmys never knew when to quit and all three wanted to spread the wealth after multiple wins. Not sure if the Grammys would allow it but Taylor, if Oprah can do it....
Also Taylor loves getting praised. So I don’t see her removing her name anytime soon
Artists have to submit their music to get nominated and can choose not to (The Weeknd and Frank Ocean have publicly chosen not to in the last few years) but I don’t see Taylor refusing to submit her music so she’s probably going to keep getting handed awards
You actually have to submit your music yourself so if she's still getting nominated, that means she still wants to be.
The problem is you would have to assume Taylor would have the humbleness to stop submitting her work for Grammy nominations but her ego will never let her leave the spotlight.
Silk Sonic removed their album from nomination in 2022.
Joni Mitchell is a goddess of the highest order. I expected an exhibition of her genius and that's what we got.
Ya know, five years ago when I started watching Todd, I didn't expect the whole Taylor ark to take the "World domination" Turn.
Did we forget that the Grammys president or whatever once said "women should step up if they want to be nominated"?
Phoebe Bridgers sure didn’t forget (and I’m very glad for that).
WE remember but the dudes with the podcast don't 🙄
Women besides Beyoncé and Taylor Swift at least...
I'm sort of miffed by Taylor treating the grammy's as her own personal promotion stage. Like as was said in the podcast ep, you just don't do that on stage. And at this point it's basically assured Taylor will come out with one of the big awards. At this point we already know how good she is, so let's allow someone else to receive some much needed attention.
Other artist won more Grammys than Taylor. Bro she only won 2. Which were super deserved
@@ikexbankai I mean agree to disagree. Winners at these sorts of things are fairly subjective. And my personal opinion is that someone like Lana or SZA should have taken AOTY. And it’s also very much personal preference of thinking yes this person deserved it or no this person didn’t.
They made the entire fucking Super Bowl and NFL season revolve around her too.
never watch these shows, don't even know who was nominated or won, but love to hear you gripe about it!
I remember this like it was yesterday
I rhink everyone just accepted the fact that Taylor Swift was going to resume her reign of terror and steamroll everyone, so that's why there wasn't really too much talk going into this show.
can confirm i'm one of the young people who discovered tracy chapman from luke comb's cover
Taylor Swift makes extremely average pop music that doesn't stand out from others in the genre in any way. Her popularity is 90% branding and her music is just the carrier for her celebrity, the ritz cracker you put the cheese and cold cuts on. The songs are just cute little ditties, they don't matter. Her real job is being super famous, not making music. And Grammys are just a popularity contest, not a measure of musical brilliance.
I agree that a lot of her pop music is average, but I’d say a lot of her other music isn’t as cookie cutter. I’m more of a casual Taylor enjoyer and I get her music not being people’s taste, but a lot of her songs lean more into singer/songwriter territory and I think her writing style resonates with a lot of people for a reason. Like, you know a Taylor verse when you hear it yknow?
I get being exhausted by her overexposure and the Grammys favoring her over people like Olivia and Lana who absolutely deserved to walk away with something, but in my mind it isn’t surprising that she’s ascended to the level that she has.
@@SamanthaLove-p6z Not really. When I hear a Taylor Swift song (against my will in stores and such) I don't automatically go, oh, this is a Taylor Swift song, can't possibly mistake it for anyone else because it's so distinct. It's not distinct. Because all these pop artists today are working with the same writers and producers churning out instantly familiar music. I only know a Taylor Swift song as hers because she will sing the title of the song at some point, probably the chorus, and I hear mention of Taylor Swift song titles, also against my will. Neither her voice or her style are distinctive in my opinion. It could be anyone as far as I'm concerned.
However, even if I had neutral to mildly positive opinions about her work, I'd start hating her just a little bit anyway because she's always in my fucking face, against my will. Which is not her fault.
@@moonlily1I feel like it’s a stretch to say that all pop artists sound the same or similar. Maybe it’s just because pop is one of the genres I listen to the most, but I can pretty easily pick out who’s who, even people like Tate McRae who isn’t very interesting. But on top of that a lot of artists around Taylor’s level of fame do make distinct music but you wouldn’t know it if you don’t seek them out because the record labels always push the most agreeable sounding songs to the masses. If you’re listening to the radio or going to Target or whatever, everything kinda blends together in a really boring way, so if that’s your primary exposure I can understand why you’d feel this way.
Also hate is a strong word but I understand being tired of her being so overexposed. I wouldn’t mind a break from her and I don’t even dislike her.
@@SamanthaLove-p6z No, it's not. The vast majority of music is being made by a handful of popular song writers and producers. There's a sort of univerals bass line that's frequently utilized with slight variants. Pop music is intentionally made to sound the same because the human brain favors familiarity. A Spanish study has found that there has been a significant reduction in musical complexity since it peaked in 1966 with significantly fewer instruments used on an average track and a much smaller lyrical vocabulary. There's a video about it.
@@SamanthaLove-p6z Oh, and additionally, two thirds of all music comes from just 3 companies.
I'll say it again, I personally feel the only reason "Flowers" is as strong as it is, is because of its juxtaposition to "When I Was Your Man" by Bruno Mars because its basically a diss track/response against the songwriter (her ex) which to me feels like a rare novelty. I felt WIWYM was equally overplayed and mid, but now its achieved some sort of decade wide resonance with Flowers.
When i read some people saying Taylor swift is bigger than the Beatles....like, wtf are you talking about?! 😂
As a huge Swiftie, even I'm kind of sick of seeing her everywhere. I really wish she would go away a bit after her tour and give the general public time to miss her.
But I'll never say no to a new album, even if I don't like the timing. It does look interesting.
I just don't understand how people have such a hard time ignoring her if they don't wanna see her.
@@jellytwins1018
Because she's everywhere...
I did my best, weridly bump into her.
@@jellytwins1018 True, but you can't deny that she is inadvertently being inserted into every aspect of culture right now; music media, sports media, and now even politics (none of which is really her fault) She's kinda inescapable right now.
@@jellytwins1018 Because we don't have as much control over the content we're exposed to on social media as we like to think. Blocking and muting people, as well as hitting "I'm not interested" on stuff we don't want to see only goes so far. At some point, people and topics become so overexposed, you cannot avoid them.
@@jellytwins1018 it's only easy to miss her if you stick to the kinds of communities that don't talk about her. (e.g. I am into extreme metal and she comes up mayyyybe once every other week in conversation around the Discords and comment sections I dwell within. shocker, I know: Taylor Swift is not a big deal with fans of Opeth, Madder Mortem, Celtic Frost, Autopsy, etc., lmao.)
but you go anywhere else and she's so popular with something for everyone that she is gonna come up a fuck ton.
That Tracy Chapman and Luke Conbs performance has to be the best part of it. Perhaps that should'vebren saved for last because everyone was feeling it. I missed the Tina Turner tribute unfortunately.
"... and I was mad about them being U2." That got a good laugh out of me.
Podcast name: "The Grammys can't stop awarding Taylor Swift... make it stop"
Actual podcast content: "The Grammys awarded an appropriate number of awards to Taylor"
Actual podcast title: "Please stop giving Taylor AOTY just cause she's Taylor"
contrary to popular belief 2023 is the first year they have held the Grammys
ah I just always disagree with Linas takes sadly. Annie Lennox was one of the most powerful moving performances I've seen at the Grammys felt so real
I'm glad you guys do this every year, cause it means I don't have to watch the Grammys. 'preciate it, boys. I'll be back for the next one.
Who would have thought the literal popularity contest would just give awards to popular people.
@booperdooper2631 The Weeknd wasn't nominated because he criticized the Grammys. (He was right, by the way. And they were petty to not recognize the greatness of "Blinding Lights" or After Hours that year.) The Grammys are bizarrely subjective and inconsistent, so at this point, I legitimately don't understand why any reasonable people would take their judgment seriously.
And if anyone still does, then I'd like them to educate me as to why 1989 won AOTY over To Pimp a Butterfly, 25 won AOTY over Lemonade, and The Heist (by Macklemore) won Best Rap Album over Good Kid MAAD City. All I'm saying is that several genre-defining, era-defining albums, all of which are considered scholarly works and some of the greatest albums ever made, were shafted... and albums that a lot of people have comparatively forgotten about, won.
It’s not though. It’s an award ceremony for a trade industry, determined by a group of members from within said trade, which has notably snubbed the most popular choices in past years.
Your base level knowledge is showing
@@dustypirate28 with wholly objective categories such as "best new artist"
Best at fucking what??
Making art? Art is wholly subjective to say anyone is better then anyone is to diminish their expression, which is what art is meant to be about.
SOS snubbed for AOTY
Would've been stoked if SZA or Boygenius won it. Heck, I would've even been OK-ish if Lana won it. Legit a brutal 3-way snub.
Or Ocean Blvd
@@idunnowhattonamemyself-vr4qv I always thought that album was alright. If Lana won her first few Grammys for it, it would just be a makeup for NFR or Born to Die
This is the most I've cared about the Grammys in a while. I didnt watch it, but my social media algorithms havent stopped hitting me with content from it in the last few days. In a bad year all people woukd be talking about is Midnights beating SOS. I've seen more people talking about Miley and Tracey Chapman
I still don’t understand why so many people love Swift like she’s their mom.
The songwriting is pretty bland, not bad, but bland. Her personality is even bland. I’ve even asked Swifties for some recommendations and I’ve listened, but the songs were all pretty trite.
Unfortunately, TayTay has perfected the art of the parasocial relationship. She's every repressed suburban mom's dream.
Original video went down halfway through me listening to it, so can't wait to finish this lol
Back when they had the podcast about Flowers vs Vampire, I swore I never heard of either song. Then I remembered I DID hear Flowers multiple times on the radio, but it just so forgettable I didn't realize it. I've heard the song several times since that and...yeah...I keep forgetting I do.
Flowers vs Vampire sounds like a spin off of Plants vs Zombies 😅
I've been waiting for this particular podcast episode since I half watched the Grammys on Sunday... It was certainly something
As a “Taylor stan” (as Todd put it lol) I agree that 2 awards *felt right* but I am very surprised Midnights won AOTY over “Did You Know There’s A Tunnel Under Ocean Blvd?”. I think even Taylor Swift was surprised by that one.
That’s why she did her announcement at Best Pop, she didn’t think she was getting AOTY either imo
Yeah, it was obvious that her surprise was genuine and that's why she dragged Lana onstage with her.
@@annaphallactic just full body cringe at that moment, right along with her snatching the award from THEE Celine Dion 🤣
Is that tunnel the Place Off Ocean Avenue that I used to hear so much about? Wonder whatever happened to it...
@@IjeomaThePlantMama her and celine took a pic backstage right after im pretty sure it wasnt out of hostility, it was out of shock
Im from 98, I had never heard fast car before and I was happy to discover it and seeing them singing it together
Finding out Regina George aka Taylor Swift titled her new ablum after Joe's groupchat is so idk ick like it give HS mean girl 😂💀
Like you just told your new bf you loved him last week and are supposably in a "happy" relationship yet you're releasing this album?? Girl grow up💀
Also her getting best vocal and literally robbing Kelly Clarkson is wiiiild
She literally wrote the album before she even met Travis. Also, I'm pretty sure people are allowed to write songs about whatever they want, and we don't know what this album will be about until the songs are out there. So maybe chill out with the misogyny, Bob Dylan wrote lots of songs about his exes but I don't see you fanbois whining about that.
@@annaphallactic Because he was also writing some of the greatest songs ever and not high school romance bs.
@annaphallactic I'm a woman and I think Taylor is talented, but all of the highly specific Easter eggs referencing exes do seem petty to me. You don't have to be a misogynist to find that annoying.
@@annaphallactic critiquing a woman doesn't make me a "misogynist" keep reaching 💀💀💀 I'm not even a fan of Bob Dylan which is a weird assumption you're making aside from my gender by calling referring to me as a fanboi 😂
Idgaf if she wrote it before Travis or not again the fact she named the album after Joe's group chat is super telling that she obviously isn't over him specifically and is being obsessively petty, again very cringey & emotionally stunted of her like the rest of her mediocre discography which ig is why people like you like her music so much, ya'll have that weird Peter Pan syndrome
@@appletree6898 Agreed it seems really immature and it makes for tepid songwriting
Thanks for the reupload
the swifties are working overtime in these comments defending someone who couldn’t care less about them
I’m defending the artist who gave me music that I grew up with and still resonates with my life.
@@sam_sa09Time to grow up and discover real music.
Taylor's new album title is apparently a play on the title of a group chat her ex-boyfriend of six years, Joe, is or was a part of 💀
…so she’s still writing songs on the same topics she’s written about since before she was 18? 🙄
@@dustypirate28 Always has been. Is It Over Now is literally about a break up.
Every Taylor Swift album is about how famous boys expect more than holding hands.
@@JebusMatoi I mean, like 70% of all pop music is about break ups. If we're comparing Taylor to the other nominees, Miley, Olivia Rodrigo, and even Boygenius' records are all mostly about relationship drama.
@@averyetvspecial1487 Except her debut, which is about how regular boys expect more than holding hands.
What is there not to understand about how people felt about a white, straight, male country singer remaking a classic song by a black, lesbian woman? Yes, Fast Car did get praised back in the day, but you very well know there was no such thing as the internet or social media back then. I don't have a problem with his remake, especially since he has credited her every step of the way, but I do understand why people took issue with it. Americans like to act like things don't matter and didn't matter unless they were done by white, straight men. It took him remaking the song for HER to get recognized as the songwriter by the CMAs!!! If he had been a pop singer, the backlash might not have been as overt, but the fact that he is a country singer, a genre that likes to pretend that black people don't matter...yeah, I get why people were pissed off.
I'll be glad when people wake up as if from a hangover and go "why was I such a useless psycho on behalf of a multi-millionaire that doesn't give a single shit about me?" and all those swifties and other useless fandoms just vanish, a collective hallucination gone as quickly as this era came, leaving behind a wake of embarassment that comedians laugh about on retrospectives in 20 years.
Billionaire now.
Says the guy who gave Taylor Swift “Song of the Year” in two years previous.
I know right? This is the same guy who says Chainsmoker's Closer was the best song of 2016.
This was nice to listen to instead of actually watching the Grammys
flowers is more for the story around it than the song itself. i can’t stand it, but i think the message behind it really resonated with a lot of people. definitely not worthy of this level of praise though.
You know the Grammys aren't a showcase for hot, new artists anymore when 80 year old Joni Mitchell and 74 year old Billy Joel were the best performances of the night. (Billie Ellish was a major exception)
Miley Cyrus winning a Grammy was a major low point and her performance was even worse.
Taylor Swift winning Album of the Year for that bland, overproduced pile of nothing was also an embarrassment and the fact that she announced a new record means she will sweep next year's ceremony
SZA and Boygenius were robbed.
Taylor Swift should NOT have won best pop vocal album. That should have gone to Lana or Kelly or someone whose main thing is “vocals.”
Taylor is a good pick for album of the year.. but best pop vocal? kinda sus.
My mom was watching for Joanie. So Dua Lipa’s performance was my parents asking me to explain who Dua Lipa is. I didn’t have a ton to say.
I'll admit that I'm too old to know who most of these people are, I bassically tuned in to hear your take on Joni's performances and you sure did not disappoint.
It seems like she's finally receiving the respect she deserves, even though it's late in the game it's still moving to see.
Especially with everything she’s gone through in recent years. She had a brain aneurysm years ago and almost died, and couldn’t walk for several years let alone perform. I wonder if that health scare has caused her to reevaluate her own thoughts on her legacy, and lean into her place in history.
Lana deserved that Grammy
You had the opportunity to call it "the Grammys can't stop won't stop awarding taylor" and refused to take it
Can't Stop, Won't Stop, Just Give Grammies To Taylor Swift! (for "Metal Harbour") -Sonic Adventure 2 OST
Love the episode but the section about JayZ is a little disappointing. It’s bigger than Beyoncé. I feel like you flattened the convo around race and the history of the Grammys.
Ughhhh Midnights was the only wrong choice for AOTY
Wasn't Miley's album also nominated?
Never got the Midnights hype. There’s some good songs on it but I think the majority is pretty mid.
It definitely deserved to win. It was THE album of the year and Taylor is the star of the year. Period
@@ikexbankaino
@@ikexbankai sos better sorry i like taylor but midnights will not circulate nearly as long & strong as SOS
I swear I saw this popup previously.
There was an audio glitch in the first version
it started from the beginning almost an hour in so I went back just now and they fixed it
The only person who deserved aoty was lana and im tired of pretending otherwise.
Dang the re-upload eraced my previous comment. But I'll say it again. I 💯 expected Taylor to get AOTY for no other reason than as a reward for all the money and exposure she generated for the music business as a whole. What she was able to accomplish in physical album sales and concert sales is no small feat and Mind boggling and respectable. And I say this as a non-Swifty and at times anti-Swift. I don't like her music. But one thing you can't argue with us success and that she accomplished in spades.
I know we want it to be about what the music is on thd album, but don't think for one minute this was about the music. It was about what she was about what her machine means to the music business as a whole.
Exactly. And grammy aoty has historically always been based on critical acclaim plus the commercial and cultural appeal an album holds. And no album or era had the world on chokehold like midnight did. It was everywhere.
I swear I saw so many Swifties almost apologizing to each other for not liking Midnights. I think there were a lot of them who blamed Jack Antonoff's production as their reason as to why they think the album was bad too.
I don't pay much attention to the Grammys ever so that's why I was so surprised that she won.
Not sure about that. The Grammy Award for Album of the Year specifically says that the award is, direct quote: "to honor artistic achievement, technical proficiency, and overall excellence in the recording industry, without regard to album sales, chart position, or critical reception." I'm not really understanding where, given that criteria, 'Midnights' outdid Boygenius's 'The Record', SZA's 'SOS', or Lana del Ray's 'DYKTTATUOB'.
And if you want to go there - that they reward people for success, money/exposure generated for the music business, and a year of domination and massive accomplishments - then it begs the question of why The Weeknd was nominated for absolutely nothing when 'After Hours' dominated the world, he had the honor of performing at the Super Bowl, and no one could get away from "Blinding Lights," which is THE most successful song IN AMERICAN HISTORY. #1 on the Billboard Hot 100 All-Time chart. (I mean, I think we all know why he wasn't nominated lol.)
The point is that the Grammys are inconsistent and subjective. It's not about the music on the album; it's not about the artist's success that year, either. It isn't about anything consistent. I'm honestly beyond the point of taking them seriously anymore.
@@kendallmonge649 I don't care what they say in their guidelines... The voting process is very political inside the industry. That being said I agree that After Hours and "Blinding Lights" should have been nominated. Not sure he would have won AOTY because Taylor's "Folklore" would have probably won it the first place (especially because it was billed as her "daring" indie album, though it's I'm less critical about that album than most of her others, I didn't find it daring at all) I personally wanted Black Pumas to win because that is a hands down killer album, but I knew that was a long shot. But l I even thought Dua Lipa's Future Nostalgia was more deserving that Folklore... But back to the Weeknd the Grammys did him wrong because not only was that an groundbreaking but massively popular.
@@CrunchyFrog47 I get that. Like you, I would have preferred if Future Nostalgia won that year, but I wasn't particularly bothered by Taylor's victory with Folklore because unlike Midnights, I thought it was a legitimately good album (even if I didn't think it was the best of the nominees). I'm not a Swiftie, but I gotta give credit where it's due; I didn't find it daring at all, either, but I did think it was among her highest-quality and most consistent work. But it's just laughable that The Weeknd wasn't nominated that year, even if he likely wouldn't have won. Their neglect to nominate him for A SINGLE AWARD that year completely dashes any chance they have of pretending that it's about an artist's success, critical reception, or domination.
But my point was exactly that: that the Grammys ARE highly political and insider-driven/industry-driven, and susceptible to weird biases and preconceived notions about certain genres and styles of music and performance (which is, I think, a big reason why rap albums hardly win AOTY). Grammy winners are not decided by quality, sales, or anything consistent and remotely possible to trace. Given that, I don't understand why so many people use Grammy awards as a metric of the "best" or most meritorious music in any given year. Or ever. It never has been, and at this point, I don't even think they're pretending anymore.
Even Taylor didn’t want to win, if she knew ahead, she would have announced her new Dead poets society album when she won AOTY instead of best pop vocal album
lina that was one hell of a dr. nick impression
Most of the winners were alright. Karol G and SZA's speeches were my favorites. Jay-Z's speech started as something cringey yet cute, but it got worse and worse. The In Memoriam segment was a mess! I understand the need to dedicate more time to the dead people that left a bigger impact, but there must be a structure. The start-stop-start again flow with different presenters and performers... I was constantly thinking "I guess it's over--Oh, never mind" (especially when Jon Batiste finished his song by yelling at the audience how good it is to be alive, which felt like the right moment to end). And I'm not supposed to roll my eyes and wish for it to be over. I'm supposed to feel emotional.
I know you recorded this for Taylor Swift, but I'm mainly here for your reactions toward Killer Mike's reward finally happening and Travis Scott causing a shitshow for censorship at hand with his performance.
This just proves that it was an excuse to give participation trophies to Swift just for vocalising, and that she needs to go the f-ck away for a while!
There is a certain word that describes MIDnights perfectly, but I’m having a hard time remembering it. But this is Taylor’s year I guess, so she has to win even though SZA and boygenius deserved it way more.
Every award show for over a decade now has just been them pointing the camera at Taylor Swift every chance they get.
The only thing I saw about the Grammys was a Taylor backlash. But it was on Tumblr so I don't know what that popular unhinged opinions are
seriously, am i the only one who agrees with todd that flowers is trash?!
Yes, yes you are
@@gut853 i'm asking everyone, not just obvious simps like you.
I agree too...! It's better than most of her songs but I find it very... Recycled. As if I heard a song like that many, many times before.
Do the grammys look at just numbers in the state?
Or numbers from everwhere?
Great point about something being subtly off with MC ... glad u articulated that. Exactly.
Saw Billie Eilish at Coachella, she is a good enough live performer that while I don't ever listen to her music in my spare time I'd happily go to her set at any festival I happened to be at
When does he talk about Taylor’s new album? Time stamp?
42:28
I get that they didn't release an album this year so they couldn't be nominated but the fact that Taylor has won 14 fucking grammies and Tegan and Sara in their 25 year career have won NONE and only been nominated ONCE for their 2011 live album is bonkers
My opinion of flowers is that it feels like surface level feminism that we’ve all already known about it’s not ‘groundbreaking’ in that regard but people want to make it that way. It doesn’t have the emotion in ’if I were a boy’ for example. Idk it feels toothless ( note: this is probably something to do with it being just pop) it’s trying to get me with it’s gums. I don’t know like I enjoyed the Barbie movie but for me it’s what maxed out that very white middle class centeric feminism this year for me and it seems like everyone else wants to harbor on that and not any other depth. At least rock could address this more but it’s not reaching the radio now days
"if I were a boy" may have had more emotion because of the quality of the singer performing it but not the content of its lyrics, also very superficial in terms of its perspective on feminist ideas
It's not suppose to be feminism. It's just a light hearted song about a break up and being single. Not every women song targeted to women had to be this all empowering political symbol.
@@sunnyblossom_711you take a Bruno Mars response song too seriously
@@via45 .ok. so things can be made for other things and by large people will identify it with a different thing than what it was made for. Every type of artist has had this happen. Once I painted a white bird among white clouds and used purple and blue as my shading. Prince died one or two weeks before it was shown off at an exhibit and everyone there thought it was a Prince tribute due to the purple shading on the heavy clouds (they kept mentioning purple rain) and how I had etched ‘spirit in the sky’ on it. Due to current events the painting was incorporated to other things in their minds.
The painting had a different meaning
The mass population gave it a new meaning.
If someone was annoyed that I ‘painted a Prince tribute’ or ‘referenced purple rain on a mourning tribute’ that’s that.
However I will point out that as a successful artist and how they have access to other things being developed (particularly music of course) Miley Cyrus definitely had some idea that her work would probably tie to the Barbie feminism thing that’d happen no matter her most personal motivator for the song
I didnt watch the show but it sounds like everyone and their Mom performed and like 5 awards were given out 😂
"all innocent lives" is probably the most threatening statement i can imagine. saying nothing about the genocide is shitty, that's a goddamn endorsement.
As a Puerto Rican, I can't see your video? Where might I find it?
most streaming platforms have the song vs song podcast, listen there
Reupload?
Since you're doing a Song Vs. Song on "Goodbye Earl" and "Before He Cheats", my vote is going to Carrie Underwood. I'd also like to know what are your thoughts on the passing of Toby Keith, and what memories did his music bring to you, since I know you're a country music fan like me.
I'm getting sick of the same breathy performance from Billie Eilish over and over but apparently I'm alone in this.
i love taylor but i hate her fugly braid thing. either have a braid or have your hair down
Damn let a woman have hobbies 😭😭😭
you should rly put an original air date in the description
FWIW, "You May Be Right" is the song Billy Joel uses to close his concerts at the Garden.
Who's here after sound
Taylor Swift is working her a** this last couple of years,it is not like she is getting all the attention for no reason but is it really her fault that media is mentioning her every second? Is it her fault that NFL literally used her as promo? This is the same narrative that when women is successful there is just “something we do not like about her” and “I am tired of her”. Why? Because she is doing her job? And doing it extremely successfully? She deserved that Grammy, she is an amazing storyteller and songwriter. She is already an icon and she will not be forgotten nor she should be so haters gonna hate hate hate
She could go under the radar if she really wanted to. She loves the fame and adulation, all of it completely unwarranted. You need to get out of your bubble and listen to some real music.
why the *sigh* at gervais? He made the golden globes entertaining
It’s weird how damaging Dance the Night has been to Dua’s career.
*how damaging supporting palestine has been for her career
Dula peep?
I disagree that this grammy had less chatter than usual, it got more views and everyone was talking about the nicki barbie world fluke and what jay-z was saying on stage.
The album announcement was planned, meaning that Taylor knew that she was gonna win at least one big category award. And like… yeah… we all knew that, the Grammys wouldn’t miss an opportunity to have her make a huge announcement on their ceremony. I don’t really like midnights but I don’t think that it like stole album of the year from something far more deserving, I guess sos was best out of what was up
1:09:18 I think it's really important to remember that Twitter isn't real life
now that you're done with the year end lists, here are some one hit wonderland and trainwreckords ideas for this year
one hit wonders:
andrea true connection-more more more
katrina & the waves-walking on sunshine
tracy ullman-they don't know
merril bainbridge-mouth
jennifer page-crush
yvonne elliman-if i can't have you
kevin rudolf-let it rock
musical youth-pass the dutchie
matthew wilder-break my stride
fountains of wayne-stacy's mom
george thorogood-bad to the bone
trainwreckords:
guns n roses-chinesse democracy
chance the rapper-the big day (FIVE YEARS ALREADY)
lupe fiasco-lasers
daryl hall and john oates-change of season
donna summer-mistaken identity
debbie gibson-body, mind, soul
spice girls-forever
fleetwood mac-time
billy squier-signs of life
talking heads-true stories
genesis-calling all stations
I'll chime in with mine again:
One Hit Wonderlands:
* Tony Rich Project -- "Nobody Knows"
* Joan Osborne -- "One of Us"
* Primitive Radio Gods -- "Standing Outside a Broken Phone Booth with Money in My Hand" (a pre-Fall Out Boy/Panic! song title if there ever was one)
* The Verve Pipe -- "The Freshmen"
* Dishwalla -- "Counting Blue Cars (Tell Me All Your Thoughts on God)"
Trainwreckords:
* Eminem -- Encore or Relapse
* Justin Timberlake -- Man of the Woods
@@JonathanLedbetterI have wanted an episode of the Primitive Radio Gods for a while
@@lizzybethnj617It's such a fascinating song. One of my favorites of the 1990s.
Excellent choices. Here are mine that were bouncing around in my head for a while:
One-Hit Wonderland: "Cult of Personality" by Living Colour, "Sunless Saturday" by Fishbone
Trainwreckords: Rage Against the Machine's last album before Zach de la Rocha and the rest of the band parted ways (I forget if they fired him or he quit), then replacing him with Chris Cornell (who could actually SING!), changing their sound, and their name to Audioslave.
The Swifties' therapist is Dr. Nick. The Barbz' is Hannibal Lecter.
Karma is the guy on the Chiefs, coming straight home to me.
i'm a swiftie and i personally think that Midnights did not need the album of the year win.
I get why 'folklore' and '1989' got grammys because one was her magnum opus and the other became some kind of pop bible.
I still think her lyricism in Midnights is great, but otherwise, its just another one of her pop records- like reputation, there's nothing 'special' about it.
SOS was such a strong contender and needed that win. At least Lana's Ocean Blvd deserved something, but we already know that the recording academy doesn't take her seriously enough.
I’ve literally hated every Miley Cyrus song she ever released except for Flowers. That’s the one song where I was like “oh this is a good song. It’s not trying too hard. She finally figured it out.” It’s honestly funny to me you guys hate it 😂
I like her stuff where she leans into her rock side more. She has a very good voice for that, her cover of “nothing else matters” by Metallica was great! Seeing her do songs like that and Olivia Rodrigo do more of the pop punk stuff is great, some of these pop stars have a lot of talent for more then just pop
hating midnight sky is crazy