Lots of super skilled players get looked over though. Especially in categories like rts and other strategy. It’s not always about “let’s be unique lol and dance on stream for money”. This is a gaming platform first. Think of it like each channel is a band - skill is first - uniqueness as you put it is always secondary. Unless you’re a fucking lady Gaga can
@@ForeverFridayVideo I feel like even with a band scenario, uniqueness is more important than skill from a popularity standpoint. I mean, you generally have to have a certain amount of basic skill but a lot of the most successful musicians didn't have a crazy amount of technical skill. They were just interesting and different or had a cool story or personality.
@@ForeverFridayVideo people come and watch your stream for you. they don't come to you for the game play. (Unless you are a pro) and if you only become popular for your game then your stream will die with that game. Shroud was gonna die with csgo bc he was gonna get kicked off C9 but he decided to play PUBG and lets be honest. If you met shroud you would be his friend. Hes that type of guy. That's what people need to understand. People watch your stream for you. You don't even have to do anything creative physically. You could do a overlay animation that no one else has done. or set up your background lights to do a certain pattern when someone subs. You don't have to be creative. you just have to be different
Skill is a terrible metric for success. I mean imagine a no commentary skilled player. Someone who sits there, no mic no cam, but headshots everyone every time. That would get boring AF. But by bringing your personality to bear you create a connection
A business degree isn't going to give you business sense lol, This dude is literally saying what everybody has been saying for the last 4 years, It's hard to grow organically on a site when you're on the bottom. None, of this is new if you aren't entertaining or insanely good at the game streaming just isn't for you lol.
I absolutely thought the same thing. Harris did a much better job explaining this, and I love watching him and Devin talk, cause Harris calls Devin out a lot, lol.
"I'm not good at communicating this yet" that quote is gold in a better context. At least it hits home for me. So many streamers get so stressed about "not being good enough" but the thing is, the journey of your growth is captivating. Also telling stories in different ways, and observing the reactions each time; is such a lost skill by most streamers.
For the first 4 minutes there you're basically saying 'if you don't do this you will fail' over and over again in a bunch of different ways. 4:25 for the content!
Saw someone in the chat say mendo, his stream was dying on overwatch and when apex came out he used that as an opportunity to grow and now is arguably the face of apex legends
Yes his early season 1 world reckord in kills was probably one of the biggest reasons he made it that big, and that record definitely made him an authority in apex.
@@emilnilsson3165 He is also an "authority" on the game because of his knowledge of the Source engine, from his CS days! He always has all of the config and autoexec. info for us plebs.
Thanks for the insight! As someone who's returning to take another crack at content creation this spring I've learned a lot from this video. A lot of people seem to think that just GRIND is the answer but its clear that its WHAT you're creating that truly matters.
Mizkif also did this, his streams are like watching a movie or tv show. Most of it is unscripted and he’s so good at improvising and making his streams very entertaining and purposeful
Insane how I just came across this video today and this is literally what I did last week. Like literally just declared I’m trying to be on one game exclusively that’s not out yet.
Discoverability was always a problem. The problem is not new. The change is no one wants new talent anymore. All the top youtubers and streamers in the start were enthusiasts. And these people had a love for gaming and games and the people who like themselves played them. Those people gave hands up to anyone who they thought deserved it. Whether or not they were a friend. Whether or not they liked them that much. Just because. They took time out of their days week after week to help people they thought deserved it. And spotlight their content. As time has gone on. Those people have been replaced with greedy rats. Who don't give hands up to anyone but friends. Or someone they can get, or want something from. I only know of 1 person who consistently spends their time doing this who is not from the old school of creators or streamers. The enthusiasts have been replaced with ratty greedy people who don't have time for anything or anyone who isn't padding their wallet. Apart from that. The platforms have taken it upon themselves to become tightly regimented and curated spaces where only those with their blessing may prosper. And have thrown the idea of open platforms into the trashcan. The oddest thing to me was when I saw people who were given a hand up. Turn around and shut out the people who gave them a start. And completely big time the person who gave them everything they have. Discoverability was never completely organic. And now that viral has been killed by curation. And recommendations are reserved for the chosen few. The only thing there is left. Is word of mouth. And the biggest mouths are too busy stuffing their faces to hand out help the starving creators. It was only a matter of time until the rats who own everything else got enough rats into these spaces. To get a stranglehold on them. And it will follow the same boom and bust pattern now as movies and music. Stealing built up talent from others and burning the place down for insurance cash when you've run it into the ground. Rinse and repeat.
Devin, you should upload some How To’s with case studies on how streamers (or anyone in general with a social media following) got big. Love the story telling aspect of it and it makes great content
I’m re-watching this again, as I edit content on a non-stream day, to serve as a reminder to keep my self accountable. Thank you so much for this video!
Unfortunately this is also the kind of mindset that has destroyed a ton of older Twitch communities over the years, and stopped the platform from actually being about video games. It was going to happen anyway, but this kind of thinking accelerated the process and once the average pillar streamer was focused on metrics the way only staff used to be, it was over.
Yeah, this is something I've been thinking about. Livestreams aren't fresh anymore, I ofc have gotten older since 2015-2016 and can't spend lots of hours infront of the computer. Just sitting watching twitch is like sitting and watching nothing at all. I only ever use twitch if I follow a tournament, or more like watching the finals of a game I find interesting.
Yo this guy is so interesting and insightful. Just the way he speaks holds my attention. The subject matter on these videos are really enjoyable to listen too. I love case study’s.
great discussion and format for these types of videos, i really enjoy them as i usually miss out on livestreams being busy. I can binge these easily in my freetime tho you have a lot of knowledge of the online space and have interesting points. keep it up :)
I'm going to watch this channel as much as i can to actually take in everything you say and try to create myself how i want to be I. Great advice if taken and used correctly, I'm ready to make this happen.
As someone who is looking to start streaming in 2020, what advice do you have? Any suggestions on the best service to use for creating and growing a channel?
It’s not that you aren’t good at communicating it. It’s that old habits are extraordinarily hard to change. Especially if you aren’t willing to put in the effort to change them. They won’t truly start to understand it until they see extreme loss in viewership or donations etc. unfortunately at that point it will be too late.
Scarra had high level resources to bolster his internet presence. This video is good. Established streamers who have available resources like an audience and an out if net work presence need to break their habit and utilize more of their tool box.
My question is can I be an authority on a genre of games. Currently, I do popular JRPG titles, but should I pick one game from this and follow the series? I don't really want to do this but I feel I spread myself too thin if I don't 🤔
Yeah, life's not easy man, I work 6 days a week as a mover, started streaming 17 days ago managed to get me 33 followers and got like 8 regulars who usually come back, I'm actually thinking about making vid tutorials on RUclips, ain't got much time and English is not my native language, still somehow I attract people guess it has something to do with my accent cause my streams are in English, also I don't stream these oversaturated games,playing tabs usually and my chatters decide what's about to happen in the game, sure hope I'll get somewhere, but I do have a lot new things to learn like editing, the most crazy part of it all is that I allready received a donation, made me feel really happy, thanx for the advice, tough this vid is allready 7 months old, have a nice day sir
How would you get this inside info Scarra got? Do you have to be the authority on something, or can you just do things differently? When I say differently, I’ve hosted DOOM trivia nights and chat interactive streams. As well as challenge / speedruns I’m interested in learning more about this from you, I have some examples and reasons I’d like to run by you about myself and what I could bring forth...
scarra was able to get inside info on the most recent card game, but tbh what scrra made for TFT was readily avaaible for anyone to use.. he just did it first, and he was quick about it.. it wasnt the day tft came out, but he played some games, and within a week he had it made. its just about doing it when you see the chance
I have a real question devin, i'm not native english speaker, although i can handle myself with English and i know another one, wich is Portuguese, my native language. From a business perspective , should i stream in English or Portuguese?
If someone else is already the go-to or authority for a specific game or topic, what should you do, try and get a piece of the cake or find something else if you don't think you would be able to put out better information and content?
That's why most youtubers that also stream make their videos based on certain challenges/comedy. I.e (I AM WILDCAT, ImMarksman, Yo_boy_roy, FaZe Yumi, etc...
Hey, sry for the late comment. I think the big problem, why most of the streamers don't change their behavior, is that it actually takes "work" to create more content and they don't have the encouragement to put in the work. They just wanna press the LIVE button and do what they love (no front). They don't see what problems they gonna face in the long term.
So about the narrative content, I'm struggling there and could use some more ideas about how and about what to make the narrative content about: - as the scarra's cheat sheet example, it can be HELPFUL, INFORMATIVE - FUNNY - EMOTIONAL what else?
I guessed right on it being Scarra! I used to watch him play league, i stoppped playing league, TFT came out randomly, I started playing, watched scarra everyday for Leisure content sure, but also because he was the authority on TFT like you said and his narrative content on youtube was great as well
This seems very true, but working on narrative-driven (at least a little bit) streams interesting too. I wonder if one can pull off switching from 8-hour streaming day to 2-hour streaming/6-hour planning the show stream and do well.
Im not even a streamer but OMG your talks are soo interesting ive been watching a bunch of them and it makes me wanna start streaming because of this buiness hidden side which I think is soo cool thanks for the video!!!
I would suggest doing original YT videos and then reminding your viewers that you stream on twitch. RUclips is a much more discover able platform. If you want to find a small streamer then you would have to scroll down for half an hour or search their name.
How do you suggest we find this Devin? I do a lot of challenge runs and no hit runs in Dark Souls, but I think that category is too niche. I am known for coming up with outside the box strats, but one again I think this category is too narrow.
By any chance anyone knows what is the sound alert Devin is using for subscriptions? Seen a few streamers with it but i can't figure it out where I can get it.
Well it also matters what you become an authority in. Like if you become an authority in Blasphemous or Battle Brothers I don't think you'd survive for long
I think you're absolutely right. I found one of my favorite twitch streamers because he will upload his broadcasts to RUclips and I found him in my RUclips reccomended for Dark Souls Challenges
I don't understand why everyone is shitting on this guy. He's bringing forth a lot of good information that seems useful. Is what he's saying going to work 100% of the time for everyone? Probably not, but i do agree with him saying that twitch and any social media platform in generally is over-saturated. You really do need to have a wide diversification on social media these days to get recognized. Obviously it's also imperative that you have content that can reach an audience that wants it. I'm no internet celebrity, but what he's saying seems to make a lot of sense. Look at all of the very successful streamers. The majority of them all have some sort of presence on many different platforms. Also, people are saying that they're looking at his sub count and it's laughable. Dude already said streaming is not his full time job. It's just a hobby for him on the side. Good video Devin. Very Informative. (Stop sucking him off comments incoming...)
@Devin Nash. This is literally a pinnacle video! Amazing I’m going to go right to twitch and start watching your videos. So much to learn directly from the tap of streaming brilliance. Thank you kindly for the content! Ray_Neezie
The other thing that has made it hard also is the fact Twitch has made it harder for a new viewer to start an account because now they have it to where people need to make a thousand line password. No one wants to sit for ten minutes trying to make a password long enough to meet the requirements and also them trying to remember it is insane.
you are right but there are so many streamers just beeing afk, not even playing the game i wouldnt say its hard to become a full time streamer and what you say has always been correct. its not that suddenly in 2020 people want a reason to watch a stream. people ALWAYS wanted a reason to watch a stream. sometimes i had enough of playing a game but want more of it. then i go into fortnite or lol streams and it takes me 20 streams sometimes till i find someone that has acceptable quality (stream and gameplay) and actually plays the game. there are streams with 15k viewers that are afk 10min, then come back and queue 5min, then cancel it to eat food and watch yt for another 10min before they are like "guys i dont feel like playing another one maybe i do another stream later see ya". so many shit quality streams. there is no consistency like in tv shows. once streams hit tv level quality we can talk about content again. but i guess this will take another 10 years
Cliff Notes: Don't stream long hours of aimless gaming, cut half the time and use it to create a narrative (content) and upload said narrative to other platforms since twitch is over saturated. One thing I don't agree with is that certain areas are "saturated". I agree more people are streaming it, but even more are watching it.
i think the context is of your available time to dedicate to this career, creating content for other platforms needs to be better divided to gain traction and audience on several fronts. devin gets like 500 viewers on twitch, this video has 100 times his regular viewership. and its just a cut of his stream, its not even exclusive content.
He used scarra as the example of making himself known as that guy in a speicifc game or genre. But scarra also does already have merch and a good RUclips channel. He was talking about ziz as the bad example of streaming too much and lacking on youtube and trying to make himself known as the arpg guy. Which will be hard to take from Quinn69 anyways.
great advice, my only question is, will this strat still work with the COPPA changes? gaming channels are going to be hit hard. Or should we just say 'yes, this content is meant for kids'? they way i read it, id you tag a video as intended for kids then it wont be in regular yt search results
hey Devin! Does this also apply to latino streamers? is the same environment? also do you think is a good idea streaming for latinoamerica (if you know something from that market) Thanks!
Well I would say you really need to start putting what times you are live and stuff near the end of your rant/discussion on a subject. I’m loving the content and will be in your stream today to discuss the other video you uploaded this morning.
I don't even use twitch, only mixer occasionally. But summit is one of few streamers I watch for sea of thieves highlights. The only thing I hate about his RUclips channel is that he never Uploads sea of thieves, he let's everyone else post his own content and they monetize it
Something I'm a little confused about. SO what if you're not an encyclopedia(wiki these days hehe) or not good at gaming to be an authority(aka im old)? In the realm of streamers/content creators, what does relevant authority mean past that? I get the concept of bringing in an audience.But, I have trouble seeing how one leads if those two checkmarks aren't the person's type of thing.
this being authority thing is a style, those are the easiest, but its not the only way.. but yourr stream needs a theme,. something that ppl come to you for. being well versed is one reason, but you could also just be really funny.. he brought this up becuase anyone who plays a game can be informed about it, and most are.. but they never share that info with others.. sharing that info is what causes scarrra to blow up
Successful streamers are either 1- very good at one game/genre or 2- toxic assholes. There are no other paths and no "marketing" needed. ..... ( 3- cam girls )
Interesting video and insightful, but I play video games to relax. I don't want to work everyday like this and play the same game over and over and over game to make some cheese.
I'm small.. barely stream.. spend most of my time editing story driven youtube videos and posting clips on twitter/instagram.. and I feel like I barely grow. So close to 1000 subs and it's so slowm
If you think you're doing it right though then you missed the entire point of the video. The biggest aspect of growth, according to Devin, is the ability to become an authority in a specific subject so that the first thing that people think of when looking for information on the subject is YOU. So, you could easily turn your channel into the V/R authority. Discussing different specs, games, etc. the big differences between the V/R headsets and you can even do a monthly video where you discuss whether it's worth to get V/R that quarter. Like talking about heading into 2020 is it worth it to buy the older HTC vive or purchase the new one coming out. Hope all the success to you but that's what comes to mind after watching this video.
@@danaolsongaming Im a little dumb when it comes to this sort of stuff. I like telling stories with games, animation (that one takes a lot of time).. etc. I've spent the past year making 1 to 2 story driven game videos a week.. like humorous documentaries in VRCHAT. Obviously I can improve but i like to think they are decent. How do I become the channel people come to for story in that fashion? How do I exploit THAT? The only true method of growth I've found is to build a community by involving people. My growth plummets when I'm not creating. Like literally a day after I upload all interactions stop. Posting less SEEMS like it would slow my pace. Seems like the opposite on Twitch though.. Posting on instagram, tik tok, twitter, and facebook seems to just be tossing my content into the void. I guess this sort of shit would only apply to tech type channels where you can constantly find the trending topic and answer peoples questions with ease?
@@Meathamski The issue is, from my perspective, is that you need to hone in on a niche market with mass appeal. Interactive stories might be niche, but it doesn't have mass appeal; not many people are gonna be willing to sit down and watch 30 min videos unless they're already a fan of you. A lot of people IMO like short, bite-sized content that's easily digestible. If you want to do story content that's cool, but it's probably not gonna drum up enough interest than a 10 min V/R game review. It doesn't need to be tech related, you just need to find something that's appealing to a larger audience. Then, after you build your audience, you can introduce them to newer content that is focused around you, like your stories. But even if you don't find a specific subject, you might get a lot more support by just interacting more with your audience. If you do story telling; allow your audience to make a choice that you've pre-written into your overall arch so it might appear like your audience is controlling the narrative but in reality it's been your story all along. But I'm not a professional, this is just from the perspective of a viewer. I'm personally not going to be captured by the super personal content like your stories or V/R gameplay until I'm already a fan, and you need something that I can grab onto to become a fan. Personally, these are channels I follow and why: Day9TV, literally was the authority on SC2 when I was into SC2, and I watched his Newbie Tuesdays to improve my gameplay. But after enjoying his personality and content I now watch his videos just for him. MagzTV/TheMightyJingles, I watched them for War Thunder content. Tips on how to fly planes and how to counter specific matchups. Now, I just enjoy any video they put out even if it's no longer War Thunder based. Any many might feel the same about their Cold Waters, World of Tanks, and World of Warships content. The Command Zone, they are my go-to for MtG commander content. But at first it was just me watching their Game Knights series. But now I enjoy every video they put out. There are a TON of others, but they essentially all follow the same progression. It was a specific topic that I was interested in that made me watch them consistently; it was their personality that keeps me watching. Find something that people are looking for, and for me, it'd be cool to see a V/R channel that is consistently reviewing different games, or even discussing future V/R improvements or games, that discusses setting up a V/R headset or the best setup for your someone's specific budget, etc. Then, once people are watching for that content, you can supplement that with some gameplay of yours. You might not get the views as with your more informative content, but there will be cross over and the more people that view your channel, by a pure numbers standpoint the more people that will enjoy your stories. Let me again say, I am not a professional. I'm just a shitter, but from my understanding this is the direction Devin is talking about going in in order to grow your channel.
when i hear peoples advice it makes me scared is that good or is that bad i dont know its all so over whelming when you dont even know your self i came from awsome bad abuse as a kid and young adult i had a teacher shake me and hit my head against a metal table for being hyper i was hit a lot by teachers and stabbed by a student for nothing forced into special needs made fun of put down about every aspect of life for a long time and then i let people treat me bad and i was scared for many years to read a comment to use a picture of my self to fell anything better then trash a worthless person who is ugly and useless because thats what every one told me for a real long time its always fun and games the sad clown a smile painted on and sad face i have picture from 4th grade i think in a old school year picture there you will see one of the saddest kids you have ever seen in a school photo when i see it my hart breaks i never got to be a kid but now i can a little threw RUclips and i hope twitch i just got my affiliate a 4 days ago on my 2 years married anniversary but its a battle every day i fell well worthless still so when i hear of all the things to do i never was cool or popular poor i was just a nice kid who wanted friends left with very little friends and most of them not true friends very few i can think of so i am scared people know so much now i can barley make a thumb nail i think i have good videos on youtube just never given the chance to grow a lot about life about anger about well all this i been threw some good some bad like right now my wife is out in a snow storm delivering mail my dad is at dialysis who we and i take care of a lot of struggles i have broken back also it happend as kid i did have some good thing happen but it was mostly alone so all this is scary to ,e can i even do i maybe can i grow i dont know all i can do it try but it has ll helped me grow as person at any rate i have a idea about not being very good at games but i am ok or kind of good at some games but i dont know i dont want to say it its might be dumb but any ways i like to learn from others and takes piceas of it so ill probably never get big but its been one of teh few good or better things to happen to me in life
"im not a government experiment that can 1v4 on apex"
im dead
just like apex on twitch POG
those improv classes paying off xD that was hilarious xDDDDDDDD
I came to the comments just to make sure Devin realized how hilarious this was. Good job Tristan. ;)
The hard truth is not everyone can be unique and not everyone’s gonna be intrested in what you’ve got to offer
Lots of super skilled players get looked over though. Especially in categories like rts and other strategy. It’s not always about “let’s be unique lol and dance on stream for money”. This is a gaming platform first. Think of it like each channel is a band - skill is first - uniqueness as you put it is always secondary. Unless you’re a fucking lady Gaga can
@@ForeverFridayVideo I feel like even with a band scenario, uniqueness is more important than skill from a popularity standpoint. I mean, you generally have to have a certain amount of basic skill but a lot of the most successful musicians didn't have a crazy amount of technical skill. They were just interesting and different or had a cool story or personality.
@@ForeverFridayVideo people come and watch your stream for you. they don't come to you for the game play. (Unless you are a pro) and if you only become popular for your game then your stream will die with that game. Shroud was gonna die with csgo bc he was gonna get kicked off C9 but he decided to play PUBG and lets be honest. If you met shroud you would be his friend. Hes that type of guy. That's what people need to understand. People watch your stream for you. You don't even have to do anything creative physically. You could do a overlay animation that no one else has done. or set up your background lights to do a certain pattern when someone subs. You don't have to be creative. you just have to be different
Skill is a terrible metric for success. I mean imagine a no commentary skilled player. Someone who sits there, no mic no cam, but headshots everyone every time. That would get boring AF. But by bringing your personality to bear you create a connection
Watching this channel makes me want to go to get a business degree
Arguably the most useless degree.
@@Nafana ????
A business degree isn't going to give you business sense lol, This dude is literally saying what everybody has been saying for the last 4 years, It's hard to grow organically on a site when you're on the bottom. None, of this is new if you aren't entertaining or insanely good at the game streaming just isn't for you lol.
@@Nemixx Funny you should say everybody has been saying this for the last 4 years. If so, why isn't everybody doing it then? 🤔
@@MrKrawby Because 98% of people ain't cut out to be a streamer. Just because you have the knowledge doesn't mean you can replicate it.
that's the same advice alpha gaming said, stream less and use that time to build and grow on your other social platforms.
Great Minds Think Alike
Sunny Lenarduzzi, too
Alpha (Harris Heller) explained it a bit better though... I dunno, tough issue to cover but I had a hard time following along on this one.
I absolutely thought the same thing. Harris did a much better job explaining this, and I love watching him and Devin talk, cause Harris calls Devin out a lot, lol.
"I'm not good at communicating this yet" that quote is gold in a better context. At least it hits home for me. So many streamers get so stressed about "not being good enough" but the thing is, the journey of your growth is captivating. Also telling stories in different ways, and observing the reactions each time; is such a lost skill by most streamers.
For the first 4 minutes there you're basically saying 'if you don't do this you will fail' over and over again in a bunch of different ways.
4:25 for the content!
Saw someone in the chat say mendo, his stream was dying on overwatch and when apex came out he used that as an opportunity to grow and now is arguably the face of apex legends
yep yep
the best part of mendo's stream is his sister. oops girlfriend PepeLaugh
Yes his early season 1 world reckord in kills was probably one of the biggest reasons he made it that big, and that record definitely made him an authority in apex.
@@emilnilsson3165 He is also an "authority" on the game because of his knowledge of the Source engine, from his CS days! He always has all of the config and autoexec. info for us plebs.
Thanks for the insight! As someone who's returning to take another crack at content creation this spring I've learned a lot from this video.
A lot of people seem to think that just GRIND is the answer but its clear that its WHAT you're creating that truly matters.
Mizkif also did this, his streams are like watching a movie or tv show. Most of it is unscripted and he’s so good at improvising and making his streams very entertaining and purposeful
Insane how I just came across this video today and this is literally what I did last week. Like literally just declared I’m trying to be on one game exclusively that’s not out yet.
Discoverability was always a problem. The problem is not new. The change is no one wants new talent anymore. All the top youtubers and streamers in the start were enthusiasts. And these people had a love for gaming and games and the people who like themselves played them. Those people gave hands up to anyone who they thought deserved it. Whether or not they were a friend. Whether or not they liked them that much. Just because. They took time out of their days week after week to help people they thought deserved it. And spotlight their content. As time has gone on. Those people have been replaced with greedy rats. Who don't give hands up to anyone but friends. Or someone they can get, or want something from. I only know of 1 person who consistently spends their time doing this who is not from the old school of creators or streamers. The enthusiasts have been replaced with ratty greedy people who don't have time for anything or anyone who isn't padding their wallet. Apart from that. The platforms have taken it upon themselves to become tightly regimented and curated spaces where only those with their blessing may prosper. And have thrown the idea of open platforms into the trashcan. The oddest thing to me was when I saw people who were given a hand up. Turn around and shut out the people who gave them a start. And completely big time the person who gave them everything they have.
Discoverability was never completely organic. And now that viral has been killed by curation. And recommendations are reserved for the chosen few. The only thing there is left. Is word of mouth. And the biggest mouths are too busy stuffing their faces to hand out help the starving creators. It was only a matter of time until the rats who own everything else got enough rats into these spaces. To get a stranglehold on them. And it will follow the same boom and bust pattern now as movies and music. Stealing built up talent from others and burning the place down for insurance cash when you've run it into the ground. Rinse and repeat.
Devin, you should upload some How To’s with case studies on how streamers (or anyone in general with a social media following) got big. Love the story telling aspect of it and it makes great content
I’m re-watching this again, as I edit content on a non-stream day, to serve as a reminder to keep my self accountable. Thank you so much for this video!
Unfortunately this is also the kind of mindset that has destroyed a ton of older Twitch communities over the years, and stopped the platform from actually being about video games.
It was going to happen anyway, but this kind of thinking accelerated the process and once the average pillar streamer was focused on metrics the way only staff used to be, it was over.
The platform has always been about the streamers. You come to that persons stream to watch that person and they just play games in the background.
Yeah, this is something I've been thinking about. Livestreams aren't fresh anymore, I ofc have gotten older since 2015-2016 and can't spend lots of hours infront of the computer. Just sitting watching twitch is like sitting and watching nothing at all. I only ever use twitch if I follow a tournament, or more like watching the finals of a game I find interesting.
Yo this guy is so interesting and insightful. Just the way he speaks holds my attention. The subject matter on these videos are really enjoyable to listen too. I love case study’s.
Your channel is blowing up this is amazing. Your content is helping me for my future.
great discussion and format for these types of videos, i really enjoy them as i usually miss out on livestreams being busy. I can binge these easily in my freetime tho you have a lot of knowledge of the online space and have interesting points. keep it up :)
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@@Kirshar BRUHHH YOOO YOU BE WATCHING ALL THE GOOD STUFF ON RUclips LMFAO
I saw the Scara item graphic before even knowing about him but found him because of it. Goes to show Devin is on top of it!
Your titles and hook are so on point in literally every video you make.
I'm going to watch this channel as much as i can to actually take in everything you say and try to create myself how i want to be I. Great advice if taken and used correctly, I'm ready to make this happen.
As someone who is looking to start streaming in 2020, what advice do you have? Any suggestions on the best service to use for creating and growing a channel?
It’s not that you aren’t good at communicating it. It’s that old habits are extraordinarily hard to change. Especially if you aren’t willing to put in the effort to change them. They won’t truly start to understand it until they see extreme loss in viewership or donations etc. unfortunately at that point it will be too late.
That Scarra case study really blew me away. Excellent example to prove the point!
I love listening to your videos during work then going back home to implement and learn. Thanks for all you do!
Scarra had high level resources to bolster his internet presence.
This video is good. Established streamers who have available resources like an audience and an out if net work presence need to break their habit and utilize more of their tool box.
Good stuff dude. Just found out about you after watching your chat with Harris Heller. Collabs work 👍🏼
I agree. In my current moment not much I can do with this stuff.. just streaming from console. Definitely need a pc ASAP!!
My question is can I be an authority on a genre of games. Currently, I do popular JRPG titles, but should I pick one game from this and follow the series? I don't really want to do this but I feel I spread myself too thin if I don't 🤔
Your marketing videos are the absolute best! Your ceo background brought a lot to the table.
6:07 and thanks for doing that! I'm always learning when I watch your stream, love it.
Yeah, life's not easy man, I work 6 days a week as a mover, started streaming 17 days ago managed to get me 33 followers and got like 8 regulars who usually come back, I'm actually thinking about making vid tutorials on RUclips, ain't got much time and English is not my native language, still somehow I attract people guess it has something to do with my accent cause my streams are in English, also I don't stream these oversaturated games,playing tabs usually and my chatters decide what's about to happen in the game, sure hope I'll get somewhere, but I do have a lot new things to learn like editing, the most crazy part of it all is that I allready received a donation, made me feel really happy, thanx for the advice, tough this vid is allready 7 months old, have a nice day sir
How would you get this inside info Scarra got? Do you have to be the authority on something, or can you just do things differently?
When I say differently, I’ve hosted DOOM trivia nights and chat interactive streams. As well as challenge / speedruns
I’m interested in learning more about this from you, I have some examples and reasons I’d like to run by you about myself and what I could bring forth...
scarra was able to get inside info on the most recent card game, but tbh what scrra made for TFT was readily avaaible for anyone to use.. he just did it first, and he was quick about it.. it wasnt the day tft came out, but he played some games, and within a week he had it made. its just about doing it when you see the chance
I have a real question devin, i'm not native english speaker, although i can handle myself with English and i know another one, wich is Portuguese, my native language.
From a business perspective , should i stream in English or Portuguese?
What kind of streamer do you want to be. What is the market for Portuguese streams. That's the only way to figure out what you should do.
Devin I love your videos has helped me out alot on Mixer!
If someone else is already the go-to or authority for a specific game or topic, what should you do, try and get a piece of the cake or find something else if you don't think you would be able to put out better information and content?
1:38 is the moment devin was possesed by a sheep.
rofl xD
yea I was on the fence if it was a goat or sheep..lmao
watch it in 1.75 lol
It's the classic seeing an opportunity being prepared but also having some luck theorie
That's why most youtubers that also stream make their videos based on certain challenges/comedy. I.e (I AM WILDCAT, ImMarksman, Yo_boy_roy, FaZe Yumi, etc...
Hey, sry for the late comment.
I think the big problem, why most of the streamers don't change their behavior, is that it actually takes "work" to create more content and they don't have the encouragement to put in the work. They just wanna press the LIVE button and do what they love (no front). They don't see what problems they gonna face in the long term.
So about the narrative content, I'm struggling there and could use some more ideas about how and about what to make the narrative content about:
- as the scarra's cheat sheet example, it can be HELPFUL, INFORMATIVE
- FUNNY
- EMOTIONAL
what else?
It sounds like he’s hitting the brakes on his voice every once in awhile.
Gary vee, have said this for big companies too. A lonnng, long time ago.
Yo wish I could stream but I always get the question 'why would people click on my stream' My parents are also a barrier and I dint know what to do.
I guessed right on it being Scarra! I used to watch him play league, i stoppped playing league, TFT came out randomly, I started playing, watched scarra everyday for Leisure content sure, but also because he was the authority on TFT like you said and his narrative content on youtube was great as well
This seems very true, but working on narrative-driven (at least a little bit) streams interesting too. I wonder if one can pull off switching from 8-hour streaming day to 2-hour streaming/6-hour planning the show stream and do well.
Im not even a streamer but OMG your talks are soo interesting ive been watching a bunch of them and it makes me wanna start streaming because of this buiness hidden side which I think is soo cool
thanks for the video!!!
4:25
This video is what I have been looking for. Not sure you will see this but how does one get into Nerdfusion?
I find it best to stream games you do enjoy playing rather than following the bandwagon
you'll find your audience that way overtime
@Isaac He was in the communications business and a youtuber before twitch lol he didnt just start blank Tim is not a good reference
Isaac yea let’s watch a video for advice on streaming from 5 years ago
I would suggest doing original YT videos and then reminding your viewers that you stream on twitch. RUclips is a much more discover able platform. If you want to find a small streamer then you would have to scroll down for half an hour or search their name.
How do you suggest we find this Devin? I do a lot of challenge runs and no hit runs in Dark Souls, but I think that category is too niche. I am known for coming up with outside the box strats, but one again I think this category is too narrow.
You're really knowledgeable, i love your videos.
Half way through 2020 and all these streamers you said are going to fail seem to be doing just fine ....
By any chance anyone knows what is the sound alert Devin is using for subscriptions? Seen a few streamers with it but i can't figure it out where I can get it.
Well it also matters what you become an authority in. Like if you become an authority in Blasphemous or Battle Brothers I don't think you'd survive for long
"clickbait" is a negative connotation word for "Headline" isn't it? Nothing wrong with a solid headline, unless its misleading.
I think most people would say it's only clickbait if it _is_ misleading
I think you're absolutely right. I found one of my favorite twitch streamers because he will upload his broadcasts to RUclips and I found him in my RUclips reccomended for Dark Souls Challenges
This is so amazingly interesting!!! Thanks for doing this!!
I don't understand why everyone is shitting on this guy. He's bringing forth a lot of good information that seems useful. Is what he's saying going to work 100% of the time for everyone? Probably not, but i do agree with him saying that twitch and any social media platform in generally is over-saturated. You really do need to have a wide diversification on social media these days to get recognized. Obviously it's also imperative that you have content that can reach an audience that wants it. I'm no internet celebrity, but what he's saying seems to make a lot of sense. Look at all of the very successful streamers. The majority of them all have some sort of presence on many different platforms. Also, people are saying that they're looking at his sub count and it's laughable. Dude already said streaming is not his full time job. It's just a hobby for him on the side. Good video Devin. Very Informative. (Stop sucking him off comments incoming...)
@Devin Nash. This is literally a pinnacle video! Amazing I’m going to go right to twitch and start watching your videos. So much to learn directly from the tap of streaming brilliance.
Thank you kindly for the content!
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The other thing that has made it hard also is the fact Twitch has made it harder for a new viewer to start an account because now they have it to where people need to make a thousand line password. No one wants to sit for ten minutes trying to make a password long enough to meet the requirements and also them trying to remember it is insane.
The saying "do it because you enjoy it, be yourself" yes but whats the other two reasons people want to stream? money and making people happy
This is exactly what ludwig and small ant did and they popping off
New to this stream things but you are very helpful man! keep doing what you do! I have been learning a lot from your videos!
you are right but there are so many streamers just beeing afk, not even playing the game i wouldnt say its hard to become a full time streamer and what you say has always been correct. its not that suddenly in 2020 people want a reason to watch a stream. people ALWAYS wanted a reason to watch a stream. sometimes i had enough of playing a game but want more of it. then i go into fortnite or lol streams and it takes me 20 streams sometimes till i find someone that has acceptable quality (stream and gameplay) and actually plays the game. there are streams with 15k viewers that are afk 10min, then come back and queue 5min, then cancel it to eat food and watch yt for another 10min before they are like "guys i dont feel like playing another one maybe i do another stream later see ya". so many shit quality streams. there is no consistency like in tv shows. once streams hit tv level quality we can talk about content again. but i guess this will take another 10 years
the endings always get me lololol
*this gets recommended in 2021*
Thanksss YT
Cliff Notes: Don't stream long hours of aimless gaming, cut half the time and use it to create a narrative (content) and upload said narrative to other platforms since twitch is over saturated.
One thing I don't agree with is that certain areas are "saturated". I agree more people are streaming it, but even more are watching it.
Wow great video and information, thanks
this is great advice & ive known about some of this but havent taken action. thats def changing 💪
Saying and doing will always be two different things
Sooo happy ive found this channel!!
Just listening 🙏
Dude how do new streamers have any chance at all tho I have 80 followers and avg 5 viewers and tho I’m not new new but it seems impossible to grow
"Stream less" then proceeds to use Scarra who streamed 365 days in a row as an example for success.
but for how many hours a day?
@@vitorcristiano9744 fair.
i think the context is of your available time to dedicate to this career, creating content for other platforms needs to be better divided to gain traction and audience on several fronts. devin gets like 500 viewers on twitch, this video has 100 times his regular viewership. and its just a cut of his stream, its not even exclusive content.
He used scarra as the example of making himself known as that guy in a speicifc game or genre. But scarra also does already have merch and a good RUclips channel.
He was talking about ziz as the bad example of streaming too much and lacking on youtube and trying to make himself known as the arpg guy. Which will be hard to take from Quinn69 anyways.
I think what he was saying was that he kept a dedicated stream schedule for 365 days in a row.
something like Monday, Wednesday, Friday
great advice, my only question is, will this strat still work with the COPPA changes? gaming channels are going to be hit hard.
Or should we just say 'yes, this content is meant for kids'?
they way i read it, id you tag a video as intended for kids then it wont be in regular yt search results
hey Devin!
Does this also apply to latino streamers? is the same environment? also do you think is a good idea streaming for latinoamerica (if you know something from that market) Thanks!
ZoigbergMDD md why would it not? What does race have to do with anything?
@@earrapist3046 can't really tell if you are joking or just really dumb
ZoigbergMDD md oh shit youre right, ur latino, sorry you can only stream on twitch if youre white. Sorry bud, just quit now
Obviously english language content creators are more saturated
Ok I just saw this coment cant believe this guy with the racist bs
Finally someone talking truths... And clearly with a lot of knowledge about the subject.
You deserve a new Follower for sure!
Thanx 4 the vid!
RUclips just showed me this channel, and this content is AMAZING.
4 minutes in and still waiting for information
the slow music started as he was pouring his water. I thought he was about to spill it all over himself lol
"Government experiment that can 4v1 in Apex" LOL xD
Well I would say you really need to start putting what times you are live and stuff near the end of your rant/discussion on a subject. I’m loving the content and will be in your stream today to discuss the other video you uploaded this morning.
I do podcasts on Twitch, how do I create narrative content about this on RUclips?
You can post highlights and/or the entire podcast onto RUclips as well
I actually thought of summit, cause he was also declining streamer until he started to play a dying game in a different way than everybody else.
I don't even use twitch, only mixer occasionally. But summit is one of few streamers I watch for sea of thieves highlights. The only thing I hate about his RUclips channel is that he never Uploads sea of thieves, he let's everyone else post his own content and they monetize it
Goldglove feel down. Lirik is up and down. Sodapoppin is same as lirik but higher
xQc good for another 4years
Something I'm a little confused about. SO what if you're not an encyclopedia(wiki these days hehe) or not good at gaming to be an authority(aka im old)? In the realm of streamers/content creators, what does relevant authority mean past that? I get the concept of bringing in an audience.But, I have trouble seeing how one leads if those two checkmarks aren't the person's type of thing.
this being authority thing is a style, those are the easiest, but its not the only way.. but yourr stream needs a theme,. something that ppl come to you for. being well versed is one reason, but you could also just be really funny.. he brought this up becuase anyone who plays a game can be informed about it, and most are.. but they never share that info with others.. sharing that info is what causes scarrra to blow up
Is there any advice for streamers who like to play different games?
Great video!
Successful streamers are either 1- very good at one game/genre or 2- toxic assholes. There are no other paths and no "marketing" needed. ..... ( 3- cam girls )
Interesting video and insightful, but I play video games to relax. I don't want to work everyday like this and play the same game over and over and over game to make some cheese.
first step to be a successful streamer, be a complete degenerate with tons of spare time.
who is this guy and why he sounds so intresting
Damn, you're INSANE AT THIS!
Good stuff!
Always remember "Don't put all your eggs into one basket".
I'm small.. barely stream.. spend most of my time editing story driven youtube videos and posting clips on twitter/instagram.. and I feel like I barely grow. So close to 1000 subs and it's so slowm
If you think you're doing it right though then you missed the entire point of the video. The biggest aspect of growth, according to Devin, is the ability to become an authority in a specific subject so that the first thing that people think of when looking for information on the subject is YOU. So, you could easily turn your channel into the V/R authority. Discussing different specs, games, etc. the big differences between the V/R headsets and you can even do a monthly video where you discuss whether it's worth to get V/R that quarter. Like talking about heading into 2020 is it worth it to buy the older HTC vive or purchase the new one coming out. Hope all the success to you but that's what comes to mind after watching this video.
@@danaolsongaming Im a little dumb when it comes to this sort of stuff. I like telling stories with games, animation (that one takes a lot of time).. etc. I've spent the past year making 1 to 2 story driven game videos a week.. like humorous documentaries in VRCHAT. Obviously I can improve but i like to think they are decent.
How do I become the channel people come to for story in that fashion? How do I exploit THAT?
The only true method of growth I've found is to build a community by involving people. My growth plummets when I'm not creating. Like literally a day after I upload all interactions stop. Posting less SEEMS like it would slow my pace. Seems like the opposite on Twitch though..
Posting on instagram, tik tok, twitter, and facebook seems to just be tossing my content into the void.
I guess this sort of shit would only apply to tech type channels where you can constantly find the trending topic and answer peoples questions with ease?
@@Meathamski The issue is, from my perspective, is that you need to hone in on a niche market with mass appeal. Interactive stories might be niche, but it doesn't have mass appeal; not many people are gonna be willing to sit down and watch 30 min videos unless they're already a fan of you. A lot of people IMO like short, bite-sized content that's easily digestible. If you want to do story content that's cool, but it's probably not gonna drum up enough interest than a 10 min V/R game review.
It doesn't need to be tech related, you just need to find something that's appealing to a larger audience. Then, after you build your audience, you can introduce them to newer content that is focused around you, like your stories. But even if you don't find a specific subject, you might get a lot more support by just interacting more with your audience. If you do story telling; allow your audience to make a choice that you've pre-written into your overall arch so it might appear like your audience is controlling the narrative but in reality it's been your story all along.
But I'm not a professional, this is just from the perspective of a viewer. I'm personally not going to be captured by the super personal content like your stories or V/R gameplay until I'm already a fan, and you need something that I can grab onto to become a fan. Personally, these are channels I follow and why:
Day9TV, literally was the authority on SC2 when I was into SC2, and I watched his Newbie Tuesdays to improve my gameplay. But after enjoying his personality and content I now watch his videos just for him.
MagzTV/TheMightyJingles, I watched them for War Thunder content. Tips on how to fly planes and how to counter specific matchups. Now, I just enjoy any video they put out even if it's no longer War Thunder based. Any many might feel the same about their Cold Waters, World of Tanks, and World of Warships content.
The Command Zone, they are my go-to for MtG commander content. But at first it was just me watching their Game Knights series. But now I enjoy every video they put out.
There are a TON of others, but they essentially all follow the same progression. It was a specific topic that I was interested in that made me watch them consistently; it was their personality that keeps me watching. Find something that people are looking for, and for me, it'd be cool to see a V/R channel that is consistently reviewing different games, or even discussing future V/R improvements or games, that discusses setting up a V/R headset or the best setup for your someone's specific budget, etc. Then, once people are watching for that content, you can supplement that with some gameplay of yours. You might not get the views as with your more informative content, but there will be cross over and the more people that view your channel, by a pure numbers standpoint the more people that will enjoy your stories.
Let me again say, I am not a professional. I'm just a shitter, but from my understanding this is the direction Devin is talking about going in in order to grow your channel.
when i hear peoples advice it makes me scared is that good or is that bad i dont know its all so over whelming when you dont even know your self i came from awsome bad abuse as a kid and young adult i had a teacher shake me and hit my head against a metal table for being hyper i was hit a lot by teachers and stabbed by a student for nothing forced into special needs made fun of put down about every aspect of life for a long time and then i let people treat me bad and i was scared for many years to read a comment to use a picture of my self to fell anything better then trash a worthless person who is ugly and useless because thats what every one told me for a real long time its always fun and games the sad clown a smile painted on and sad face i have picture from 4th grade i think in a old school year picture there you will see one of the saddest kids you have ever seen in a school photo when i see it my hart breaks i never got to be a kid but now i can a little threw RUclips and i hope twitch i just got my affiliate a 4 days ago on my 2 years married anniversary but its a battle every day i fell well worthless still so when i hear of all the things to do i never was cool or popular poor i was just a nice kid who wanted friends left with very little friends and most of them not true friends very few i can think of so i am scared people know so much now i can barley make a thumb nail i think i have good videos on youtube just never given the chance to grow a lot about life about anger about well all this i been threw some good some bad like right now my wife is out in a snow storm delivering mail my dad is at dialysis who we and i take care of a lot of struggles i have broken back also it happend as kid i did have some good thing happen but it was mostly alone so all this is scary to ,e can i even do i maybe can i grow i dont know all i can do it try but it has ll helped me grow as person at any rate i have a idea about not being very good at games but i am ok or kind of good at some games but i dont know i dont want to say it its might be dumb but any ways i like to learn from others and takes piceas of it so ill probably never get big but its been one of teh few good or better things to happen to me in life
I love your content 😎
How did he not say ninja? He went from 0 to fucking international news
"If this was my full time job, my face would be everywhere" So What's holding you back?
not his full time job, side hustle.
Making more money on another business or like building a company