If I'm not mistaken, not only it was Taika's fault but also Disney's. The execs knew the movie was shit yet they didn't care and released it anyways. Plus they treated the people who worked on it like shit.
which is sad since the director's also the one who did "Ragnarok " and it's my 2nd fav thor film. I dunn get how the creative process went exactly southwards
@@dibyaudhdas1978 The first Thor movie was okay. The second movie was too dark and edgy. The third movie hit just right, making it more fun but also epic. The fourth movie pushed the comedy from the third movie too far.
@@SplendidFactor I'd argue Ragnarok already was a step in the wrong direction. It was just so well executed that it's hard to see that the tone might not have matched the event.
@@SplendidFactorI think the only real redeeming quality of the first two were really Loki. And it's because he gave more serious an depressing time to his scenes in the first that only aged better with time. An his humor and seriousness was well balanced in the next two. With it being practically the only humor in the second
I honestly will never blame an actor/actress for the quality of a movie unless they made it more difficult for the entire team like most "method" actors do, but directors are always who choose what to keep and what to film again, actors can't control that
@@TheParentYouNeverHad yeah I don't hate Daisey Ridley but I really don't enjoy her character in the new movies. It's not on her I blame the people making the scenes editing the scenes writing the lines editing the lines to the point we got a terrible new trilogy.
It's so refreshing to see actors KNOW exactly how their character changed and how the little choices they made with the character earlier resulted in a massive change later on.
Nah, have the kids fight The God Butcher and have him butcher them, that's how you make a scary villain with no redeemable qualities. If they are old enough to fight the God Butcher, they are old enough to get butchered
They’ll never put a decent director in line to helm a film without cucking them with executive interference. Sam Raimi had an amazing vision for Doctor Strange 2 yet it had over 30 rewrites and reshoots even a couple months away from release. The first director they hired even backed out because they prevented him from making his own creative decisions for the film
@@user-kv5lq9xm8cSam Raimi didn’t even watch Wandavision, and rewrites for Doctor Strange 2 happened because Sony was being stingy and wanted to release Spider-Man No Way Home in 2021 when Doctor Strange 2 was supposed to come out before No Way Home..
Big respect for him for admitting this,Thor 4 was garbage but it was down to the writers , then taika waShiti , then Kevin feigie , then Chris. In that order. Hopefully he returns in avengers 5 , Thor 5(done right) and secret wars to redeem and give his character a good send off
I mean it wasn’t his fault, he was an actor and actors are supposed to do actor things and it’s good that Chris Hemsworth is taking accountability because that means he knows what to improve for his next movie
This is the first time I’ve heard a modern actor blaming themselves instead of the haters or something like that. It wasn’t even his own fault, he was giving his all
i mean he said a lot of heavy “not everything is black & white” things that i wished someone had said sooner, so that’s prob why it felt like a lot of dense bts drama compressed into 2 minutes, but yea i’ve always agreed with the fact that this movie was damn near entirely Taika’s fault if it wasn’t for Victoria Alonzo sharing some of that blame. 1stly for not looking at either Davy jones & or Voldemort for inspiration in how partially heavy-cgi villains can be done right, but also for just being carelessly not-locked-in during production, like bruhv, adapting 2 of the best thor comics into one perfectly adequate fusion just exclaimed for passion levels of effort to be put in for the project & taika just did not give it the passion it deserved
Chris Hemsworth being an executive producer is not a meaningless add on I don't think. Sometimes actors care so much about their characters that they fight to become an executive producer, (for example Tom Hiddleston in the Loki series, Ryan Reynolds in Deadpool) and if they do, they have a certain amount of say when it comes the character arc and script etc. Loki series is one of the best examples of an actor having a say in regards to how the final product turns out, but they have to care deeply for their own character and how it is received. Chris Hemsworth probably seen where they were going with the movie and didn't push back for whatever reason. But the blame shouldn't be entirely on him.
Thor deserve a good movie that solely about him. Ragnarok was good but Love and Thunder instead of improving on it turned awful. They even had Gorr THE GOD BUTCHER!! As perfect villian. But unfortunately Taika let the fame get into his head and ruined everything. It's nice and bitter sweet to hear Chris being still passionate to play the role. Bcs Thor as a character can go forever. Since he is almost immortal god. So him still willing to play is a miracle as most actor want to part ways after such long journey.
It's not even fame getting to his head. Taika admitted he agreed to direct again because of the crew and the money offered. Not because he thought he had a good story to tell. And Disney of course paid well for his return because they were hoping for another Ragnarok.
@@goji253 But that's not the reason he made a horrible movie. His job is to write and direct movies. So it's not like he couldn't come uo with good story. Infact he could hv just straight forward taken the storyline from the God Butcher comic. But he didn't. He while shooting Thor 4 had tweeted that he will destroy the mythology of Thor that fans love bcs he can. Already at time I got a hinch he is up to no good.
@@Vor567tez That still isn't "letting fame get to your head" though. It's self-destructive behaviour. Clearly he didn't want to make a movie in the first place. And didn't make any effort to do so.
@@Vor567tez "letting fame get to your head" implies thinking what you are doing is actually good. Whereas the more logical conclusion is pure and utter apathy. Making something awful, knowing it's awful and just not caring. It's not the same, these two are literal opposites.
CinemaSins-if this is possible nothing means anything anymore and why who's before in other dire situations. Th3Birdman-Well, the answer the film gives is that Thor didn't know he had this ability until now. That was the point of the scene showing Thor and Jane's history where he accidentally blessed the hammer and is the reason she was able to wield it. Thor, not understanding how she was able to pick up the Hammers part of the narrative here where, like in Ragnarök, Thor comes to realize he has certain abilities.
I didn't really mind Thor 4, but I thought they could've at least showed more scenes of Gorr killing gods, to show how dangerous he really was. Yea, sure, they could've made the movie less comical, but I think the real kicker would've been to put more weight behind the villain. IMO, the way the movie panned out, in terms of plot points, I was quite satisified with, and direction was very cool (except for the missed opportunities to display Gorr's power). Would've loved to see a bit more of Thor and the Guardians before everything kicked off, though.
I want to see Thor contemplating the meaning of his long life, looking back at memories while he's walking through some nostalgic area. I want to see him just admit that he doesn't know what his purpose is, and that there will never be a clear answer; which ends up with him accepting that he just has to try to do his best - and with the power he has, he can help a lot of people. Something like that.
This just prove how much they are toxic. When your movie is a failure blame the toxic masculinity or the actors. If he thinks he is the problem it means "Disney" is ok with him thinking that
Thor is literally the only thing carrying that movie could he have been slightly more serious sure but we are all in agreement the worst part of that movie is the desecration of Gorr. Huge waste of Thor most compelling and iconic foe
Taika was the writer and director of Love & Thunder, so it really is his fault that the film underperformed, but it is nice to see that Chris Hemsworth is acknowledging that it was not a good film. It's also really nice to see that he wants to do Thor 5 because he feels like he owes the fans a good Thor film before Avengers 5 because Thor needs to be taken seriously again.
Actually, in the marvel universe, Thor is the character with the most depth. He is 1500 years old or more. So he must have seen much more than any human!! I feel that its hard for Thor to relate to Ironman or other because of the differences of their past. Ironman and Capt, America have a common background and sometimes you see how they depended on each other. I don't think that they knew much about Thor and what he could do. He had a neutron star blasting him as he held the doors open. Dr. Strange knew more of his worth, and we saw it when they run into the Guardians of the Galaxy. My point, is Thor was definitely needed in the Marvel Universe and I am very happy they included him.
Taika Waititi’s humor is objectively worse than Joss Whedon. Some reason people hated on Whedon’s humor. Whedon’s humor had wit and intelligence while Waititi is just lazy and cheap.
Thor-Whosoever holds these weapons and believes in getting home, if they be true of heart, is therefore worthy and shall possess for limited time only, the power of THOR. CinemaSins-it's amazing how Thor has these random Powers whenever it's convenient to have them this is almost as dumb as that Giant Cape Superman created in Superman 2, but I said almost. Th3Birdman-ah swing and a miss. This is clearly a power Odin possessed that was passed on to his biological son. It's called the Odin Force, technically now the Thor Force. This is the same spell Odin placed on Mjolnir that gave Steve his powers and the same one Thor put on the weapon that gave Jane hers.
The only time I ever blame an actor for a shitty film is if it’s on record that they were being difficult on set. 90% of the time it’s a writer or a director who is at fault
CinemaSins-this boss casually naming your ice cream shop after the thing that stole five years from half the population I mean if you're gonna make light of half the population's trauma at least make sure it's a pun like a t-shirt place called Infinities or a pot shop called infinity stone. Th3Birdman-How Do You Not Realize Cones Rhymes with Stones? And, By the Way, Those Same Singularities Are What Saved Everyone, So I Really Don't See the Issue.
I really don't understand why people hate it when there's too much humor in the movie. Honestly, Thor: Love and Thunder is my favourite movie from all 4 because we just get to laugh so much in it and we can rewatch it over and over again and still laugh. I am not a fan of the first Thor movie, I thought Thor's a boring character when I saw the first movie, but as the movies progressed, Thor became more and more fun and I love it. The whole reason I love Marvel is because of the humor in it, I watched almost all the movies in DC but I never will re-watch them again because it's got 0 humor. But I've seen all the Marvel movies and watch most of them at least 3 times by now. Humor + Good storyline, and sprinkle just a little action in there, it's everything.
The poor man. It was clearly Taika's fault. Like, yeah I know it's hard to blame your friend, especially one who makes pretty good stuff when his heart is in it. But... well, his heart wasn't in it.
it was never Chris Hemsworth's fault - that lies directly at Taika Waititi' feet. He tried to recapture the same magic of Thor: Ragnarok - Thor 4 went the same route as Thor: The Dark World - down the toilet.
It's not his fault the writers and director turned something as serious as cancer and the loss of a family member into nothing but a joke. Unless he had some say in the final script, but unless you're like, Ryan Reynolds or Tom Cruise, most actors don't really have that opportunity
They didn't really know what to do with Thor after the first film. He has a lot of potential, but he ended up remaining pretty static for a while until they made him worse. Could've been so much more.
Taika ruined the mcu, this whole "yeah we just took the characters, and threw out how they'd normally act and just winged it" is literally the worst thing to ever do to characters like thor and bruce when they have such specific and controlled personalities within this universe. they feel nothing like themselves
I mean Chris is a contributing factor sure. But he's far from the one to blame, he is an actor. He's not the one making decisions but he probably does have quite bit of influence and free reign to do so. It does seem like the vibe onset was very wacky and goofy. Personally, I myself tend to get caught up in silliness also, its fun and we all love to laugh. But it's certainly quite on the nose in the context of this movie because the character of Thor is definitely no joke.
CinemaSins-the Greek Zeus would not refer to a son with a Roman name Hercules he would call him Heracles Th3Birdman-and Loki is not Thor's brother and Mjölnir doesn't have a worthiness enchantment on it and Zeus never interacts with Odin or even knows of Odin. Seriously, if you're going to use, real-life mythology as the basis for Marvel’s, you should have started this a long time ago like in Thor Comics- Heracles changed his name to Hercules to avoid any association with Hera
I think Thor's best moments were the fluff moments where he gives exposition which isn't great. But it's still some of my favorite parts from the first and second avengers movies.
It was Chris and, predominantly, Taika+Disney's fault. After 2, Hemsworth was right to want a change but to ENDLESSLY obsess over 'reinventing' Thor and facilitating Taika's moronic narcissistic self indulgence as he 'ruined our mythos in a minute' was very silly. That movie does not exist to me. Seeing The Thunderer become a bumbling moronic, room temperature IQ airhead who's very presence irritates even goofs like The Guardians was UNACCEPTABLE.
It was never his fault. It was Taika Waititi, a director who openly joked about ignoring the lore of the character, and who pushed for the script to be turned into a comedy because it's what Taika is good at... but it ran completely parallel to what the Gorr storyline was supposed to be.
He is right that Thor became a parody of himself, but it's not because of the actor, they are performers who are supposed to perform according to the script that writers create and directions of a director.
Regarding Chris' grievances about Thor's role in the Avengers films, they're not without validation. Thor is alienated amongst the Avengers as he's literally a god among men. He's stronger than the Hulk, but since Thor isn't a mindless beast, it's hard to keep his character interesting. A good screenwriter can't even lean towards Thor's alcoholic-hedonistic tendencies as that's something the audience is more accustomed to seeing Tony Stark do. It's difficult to get Thor "grounded" since he's not with Odin, Loki and Jane all the time.
basically you want the strongest version of all characters? You do realize that means the need to bring the strongest version of the villains or the nei omnipotent beings too. There's a reason World Breaking Hulk, Iron God, and Allfather Runeking thor like characters and kept outside of main continuity in comics too.
Hey, Chris is built as a leader, a Guy who gets things done, and a BadAss. He has played many other movies and he is gifted. But like i have seen before, as the actors get older they become wiser. Also take a look at Keanu and Tom Cruise. People are always going to see their movies because its entertaining for current time, its full of action, and its just fun!!! I think Chris should ride the wave and learn as he is having fun. I loved Chris in the 12 Strong, Extraction, the Huntsmen was entertaining, Red Dawn shows him as a leader (Which i think in real life he is a real leader. Maybe im wrong). Any way i think Chris is a great actor! He has played many many roles and should just ride the wave.
I kinda liked the movie tho... The comedy fitted his development ngl just my opinion tho like its not the comic days no more people gotta understand its for the newer generations.
Thor love and thunder had a lot of flaws but Chris was not one of them. He plays the character consistently throughout the franchise and his performance was honestly one of the best parts although the script was a little to comedic
It makes you wonder: would the MCU be better if Edward Norton's hulk was still in The fray of avengers? I don't have a correct answer. But my personal answer is... YYYYYYYYEEEEEEESSSSSSSS!!!!!???????!!??????
who are you talking to? It was a bad movie, people have to point out its a bad movie so that marvel doesnt make another bad movie. Because people are saying its a bad movie even Chris himself is saying its a bad movie. Thus making it easier for us to get a good movie next time. Whats even more is that everyone in response is saying that its not completely Chris fault that its a bad movie which is true. Althought he bares some reponsibilty its nowhere near as much as his fault as it is Marvels. Just Chris admiting its a bad movie makes everyone confident that the next one will be a better movie
@@Dobbythecat123 Confident is too strong of a word. After watching Thor 4 I didn't want a Thor 5. After hearing what Chris said I'm interested in a Thor 5 now.
thank god he's finally taken some accountability he is the guy that wanted to take thor in this direction since thor ragnarok. when he said the character needed to do something new he is the man responsible for help implemented jokey comical thor it's everything that thor isn't like in the comics.
As a producer he does have responsibility over the director too. He is the one paying the director. That's why he is taking responsibility, should've put Taika in loose chains.
@@danieldickson8591 just names? They are still producers with a power of say. It’s their money. Who decides to be just a funder vs an active individual comes across when you got producers voicing blame on themselves
Love Hemsworth, great actor who oozes charisma in most of his roles, especially Thor. He was great in Furiosa too. The rot started in Ragnarok, with T.W.'s very juvenile schoolboy sense of humour. It's rampant in Time Bandits, and ruined Love & Thunder. Shame, but definitely not Chris's fault, that's a director's 'vision' thing.
Sometimes it’s hard to blame the actor for how terrible the character was
When the actor is forced to stick with a terrible script
Henry Cavil and Andrew Garfield☝
nope he is the blame for the direction of the character
@@Oldschool1943 No he's not. He did his best. His acting is what carried the film even though russos and taika significantly ruined him.
@@Oldschool1943 No he's not. He did his best. His acting is what carried the film even though russos and taika significantly ruined him.
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I feel so bad for him. He clearly had a fun time playing his character.
Yeah. Crazy how even Chris Hemsworth can suffer from impostor syndrome
@@johnsai4074for real. He's like the least replaceable avenger ever after Ironman.. I can't imagine anyone else as Thor!!
@@VoVina111 glazing
@@KangarooJoeMamabut he's right, you can't replace him
@@ihavenoname-qm8nr if you saw the art for Thor you would also agree anyone person that fits the character can play Thor..
Since when were celebrities so humble.
You’ve obviously never met a celebrity from the lucky country my friend 🇦🇺😉
@@Dobbythecat123 fair enough
@@Dobbythecat123There’s probably an actor who came from Australia and is popular, however, I know no famous actors from Australia
Keanu Reeves?
@@margarethmichelina5146 he's an exception
It was never Chris's fault, it was Taika's who decided to turn Love and Thunder into a comedy.
The biggest failures of the movie were the mismatched tone of the jokes/central themes and the awfully written villain.
Nah for failing to make a comedy. He straight up said he didn’t even wanna make it
If I'm not mistaken, not only it was Taika's fault but also Disney's. The execs knew the movie was shit yet they didn't care and released it anyways. Plus they treated the people who worked on it like shit.
which is sad since he's also the one who did "Ragnarok " and it's my 2nd fav thor film. I dunn get how the creative process went exactly southwards
Yeah, taika also said that he was working with marvel only for money
He shouldn't blame himself. It's the writer's and director's fault that Thor was played for laughs. Someone's a God hater ...
which is sad since the director's also the one who did "Ragnarok " and it's my 2nd fav thor film. I dunn get how the creative process went exactly southwards
@@dibyaudhdas1978 The first Thor movie was okay. The second movie was too dark and edgy. The third movie hit just right, making it more fun but also epic. The fourth movie pushed the comedy from the third movie too far.
@@SplendidFactor ah yes, the entire spectrum of light and darkness.
@@SplendidFactor I'd argue Ragnarok already was a step in the wrong direction. It was just so well executed that it's hard to see that the tone might not have matched the event.
@@SplendidFactorI think the only real redeeming quality of the first two were really Loki. And it's because he gave more serious an depressing time to his scenes in the first that only aged better with time. An his humor and seriousness was well balanced in the next two. With it being practically the only humor in the second
I love the fact that he sounds like a genuine actor, and doesn't just do it for the money.
Yeah he loves Thor but he also doesn’t want to be seen as just Thor as any actor wouldn’t.
@@OVOJermeyidk bout any actor
@@Ballzurano actor and literally no actor wants to be only known for one role
@@gyaaAAaaaaaaaat there’s always a few that do
I honestly will never blame an actor/actress for the quality of a movie unless they made it more difficult for the entire team like most "method" actors do, but directors are always who choose what to keep and what to film again, actors can't control that
Like Rachel Zeigler for an example who actively and purposely makes her movies hard to watch due to her antics off screen.
Like how I dislike the newest star wars trilogy, but I still respect all the actors.
I agree but disagree with you on what you said about method actors
I agree with you but I disagree on the total nonsense you said about method actors
@@TheParentYouNeverHad yeah I don't hate Daisey Ridley but I really don't enjoy her character in the new movies. It's not on her I blame the people making the scenes editing the scenes writing the lines editing the lines to the point we got a terrible new trilogy.
Not his fault
Man of few words, but true words.
Yea it is his fault 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂( I’m kidding)
This i like
@@silverash896 👍🏾
It is actually. He didn't speak up. Blindly following orders.
It's so refreshing to see actors KNOW exactly how their character changed and how the little choices they made with the character earlier resulted in a massive change later on.
Having children fight against the God butcher was just the worst move
Fighting children is almost always the worst
Nah, have the kids fight The God Butcher and have him butcher them, that's how you make a scary villain with no redeemable qualities. If they are old enough to fight the God Butcher, they are old enough to get butchered
I think Robert Edgers needs to deserve Thor 5. If you’ve seen “The Northman” you’ll know why
They’ll never put a decent director in line to helm a film without cucking them with executive interference. Sam Raimi had an amazing vision for Doctor Strange 2 yet it had over 30 rewrites and reshoots even a couple months away from release. The first director they hired even backed out because they prevented him from making his own creative decisions for the film
A Thor movie similar to The Northman would be absolutely amazing but it's never going to happen.
No I don't want Robert Edgers good name to be sullied by the MCU...
@@user-kv5lq9xm8cSam Raimi didn’t even watch Wandavision, and rewrites for Doctor Strange 2 happened because Sony was being stingy and wanted to release Spider-Man No Way Home in 2021 when Doctor Strange 2 was supposed to come out before No Way Home..
No way Baldy's gonna give creative control to a director of his calibre
Big respect for him for admitting this,Thor 4 was garbage but it was down to the writers , then taika waShiti , then Kevin feigie , then Chris. In that order. Hopefully he returns in avengers 5 , Thor 5(done right) and secret wars to redeem and give his character a good send off
It wasn't Chris's fault at all
I mean it wasn’t his fault, he was an actor and actors are supposed to do actor things and it’s good that Chris Hemsworth is taking accountability because that means he knows what to improve for his next movie
Yes but he's the one who wanted Thor to be more funny in the first place
@@VoVina111 but he got the funny version in Ragnarok itself. It was Taika who added cringey/unwanted comedy
For anyone curious where the main problem with MCU Thor lies, I recommend Breaden Alberti's "The MCU Thor Problem" series.
to be fair he has more than made up for it with films like Extraction.
How does that save the character of thor
Chris is such a Chad for saying that it’s his fault for everything. Chris is one of the best MCU actors. Period.
Idk why the director decided to make such a joke out of thor. And it is not chris's fault
He never cared about the characters. He also said he hated loki and mocked his pain
This is the first time I’ve heard a modern actor blaming themselves instead of the haters or something like that.
It wasn’t even his own fault, he was giving his all
Marvel always knows how to make movie posters look good stuck next to each other
The times have really changed when a 2:37 video feels like 10 minutes....
i mean he said a lot of heavy “not everything is black & white” things that i wished someone had said sooner, so that’s prob why it felt like a lot of dense bts drama compressed into 2 minutes, but yea i’ve always agreed with the fact that this movie was damn near entirely Taika’s fault if it wasn’t for Victoria Alonzo sharing some of that blame. 1stly for not looking at either Davy jones & or Voldemort for inspiration in how partially heavy-cgi villains can be done right, but also for just being carelessly not-locked-in during production, like bruhv, adapting 2 of the best thor comics into one perfectly adequate fusion just exclaimed for passion levels of effort to be put in for the project & taika just did not give it the passion it deserved
Well looks like we will get a Thor 5 movie and I’m excited and I hope he fights jormangandur
Anyone who expected the last Thor movie to be different hasn’t seen Taika’s other films.
This was inevitable.
Chris Hemsworth being an executive producer is not a meaningless add on I don't think. Sometimes actors care so much about their characters that they fight to become an executive producer, (for example Tom Hiddleston in the Loki series, Ryan Reynolds in Deadpool) and if they do, they have a certain amount of say when it comes the character arc and script etc. Loki series is one of the best examples of an actor having a say in regards to how the final product turns out, but they have to care deeply for their own character and how it is received. Chris Hemsworth probably seen where they were going with the movie and didn't push back for whatever reason. But the blame shouldn't be entirely on him.
Thor deserve a good movie that solely about him. Ragnarok was good but Love and Thunder instead of improving on it turned awful.
They even had Gorr THE GOD BUTCHER!! As perfect villian. But unfortunately Taika let the fame get into his head and ruined everything.
It's nice and bitter sweet to hear Chris being still passionate to play the role. Bcs Thor as a character can go forever. Since he is almost immortal god. So him still willing to play is a miracle as most actor want to part ways after such long journey.
It's not even fame getting to his head. Taika admitted he agreed to direct again because of the crew and the money offered. Not because he thought he had a good story to tell.
And Disney of course paid well for his return because they were hoping for another Ragnarok.
@@goji253 But that's not the reason he made a horrible movie. His job is to write and direct movies. So it's not like he couldn't come uo with good story. Infact he could hv just straight forward taken the storyline from the God Butcher comic. But he didn't.
He while shooting Thor 4 had tweeted that he will destroy the mythology of Thor that fans love bcs he can.
Already at time I got a hinch he is up to no good.
@@Vor567tez That still isn't "letting fame get to your head" though. It's self-destructive behaviour.
Clearly he didn't want to make a movie in the first place. And didn't make any effort to do so.
@@goji253 It's same. You are just phrasing it differently. Lol
@@Vor567tez "letting fame get to your head" implies thinking what you are doing is actually good.
Whereas the more logical conclusion is pure and utter apathy. Making something awful, knowing it's awful and just not caring.
It's not the same, these two are literal opposites.
Yeah i would say infinity war was mostly about thor's peakness.
CinemaSins-if this is possible nothing means anything anymore and why who's before in other dire situations.
Th3Birdman-Well, the answer the film gives is that Thor didn't know he had this ability until now. That was the point of the scene showing Thor and Jane's history where he accidentally blessed the hammer and is the reason she was able to wield it. Thor, not understanding how she was able to pick up the Hammers part of the narrative here where, like in Ragnarök, Thor comes to realize he has certain abilities.
I didn't really mind Thor 4, but I thought they could've at least showed more scenes of Gorr killing gods, to show how dangerous he really was. Yea, sure, they could've made the movie less comical, but I think the real kicker would've been to put more weight behind the villain.
IMO, the way the movie panned out, in terms of plot points, I was quite satisified with, and direction was very cool (except for the missed opportunities to display Gorr's power). Would've loved to see a bit more of Thor and the Guardians before everything kicked off, though.
I want to see Thor contemplating the meaning of his long life, looking back at memories while he's walking through some nostalgic area. I want to see him just admit that he doesn't know what his purpose is, and that there will never be a clear answer; which ends up with him accepting that he just has to try to do his best - and with the power he has, he can help a lot of people.
Something like that.
No one could represent Thor better than Chris, he embodies that character & every other role with modesty & integrity !
I think the Thor from infinity war was probably the best. Funny yet serious with overwhelming power
A Gentleman takes responsibility instead of blaming others
This just prove how much they are toxic.
When your movie is a failure blame the toxic masculinity or the actors. If he thinks he is the problem it means "Disney" is ok with him thinking that
Thor is literally the only thing carrying that movie could he have been slightly more serious sure but we are all in agreement the worst part of that movie is the desecration of Gorr. Huge waste of Thor most compelling and iconic foe
Taika was the writer and director of Love & Thunder, so it really is his fault that the film underperformed, but it is nice to see that Chris Hemsworth is acknowledging that it was not a good film. It's also really nice to see that he wants to do Thor 5 because he feels like he owes the fans a good Thor film before Avengers 5 because Thor needs to be taken seriously again.
Actually, in the marvel universe, Thor is the character with the most depth. He is 1500 years old or more. So he must have seen much more than any human!! I feel that its hard for Thor to relate to Ironman or other because of the differences of their past. Ironman and Capt, America have a common background and sometimes you see how they depended on each other. I don't think that they knew much about Thor and what he could do. He had a neutron star blasting him as he held the doors open. Dr. Strange knew more of his worth, and we saw it when they run into the Guardians of the Galaxy.
My point, is Thor was definitely needed in the Marvel Universe and I am very happy they included him.
Taika Waititi’s humor is objectively worse than Joss Whedon. Some reason people hated on Whedon’s humor. Whedon’s humor had wit and intelligence while Waititi is just lazy and cheap.
“BRING ME THANOS” -Chris Hemsworth’s Thor in the most badass hero moment in the MCU
Thor-Whosoever holds these weapons and believes in getting home, if they be true of heart, is therefore worthy and shall possess for limited time only, the power of THOR.
CinemaSins-it's amazing how Thor has these random Powers whenever it's convenient to have them this is almost as dumb as that Giant Cape Superman created in Superman 2, but I said almost.
Th3Birdman-ah swing and a miss. This is clearly a power Odin possessed that was passed on to his biological son. It's called the Odin Force, technically now the Thor Force. This is the same spell Odin placed on Mjolnir that gave Steve his powers and the same one Thor put on the weapon that gave Jane hers.
The only time I ever blame an actor for a shitty film is if it’s on record that they were being difficult on set. 90% of the time it’s a writer or a director who is at fault
CinemaSins-this boss casually naming your ice cream shop after the thing that stole five years from half the population I mean if you're gonna make light of half the population's trauma at least make sure it's a pun like a t-shirt place called Infinities or a pot shop called infinity stone.
Th3Birdman-How Do You Not Realize Cones Rhymes with Stones? And, By the Way,
Those Same Singularities Are What Saved Everyone, So I Really Don't See the Issue.
I really don't understand why people hate it when there's too much humor in the movie. Honestly, Thor: Love and Thunder is my favourite movie from all 4 because we just get to laugh so much in it and we can rewatch it over and over again and still laugh. I am not a fan of the first Thor movie, I thought Thor's a boring character when I saw the first movie, but as the movies progressed, Thor became more and more fun and I love it.
The whole reason I love Marvel is because of the humor in it, I watched almost all the movies in DC but I never will re-watch them again because it's got 0 humor. But I've seen all the Marvel movies and watch most of them at least 3 times by now. Humor + Good storyline, and sprinkle just a little action in there, it's everything.
He is not to blamed for the writings of wacky writers 😂
The poor man. It was clearly Taika's fault.
Like, yeah I know it's hard to blame your friend, especially one who makes pretty good stuff when his heart is in it. But... well, his heart wasn't in it.
It was 100% Taika's fault. He ruined it.
it was never Chris Hemsworth's fault - that lies directly at Taika Waititi' feet. He tried to recapture the same magic of Thor: Ragnarok - Thor 4 went the same route as Thor: The Dark World - down the toilet.
It's not his fault the writers and director turned something as serious as cancer and the loss of a family member into nothing but a joke. Unless he had some say in the final script, but unless you're like, Ryan Reynolds or Tom Cruise, most actors don't really have that opportunity
They didn't really know what to do with Thor after the first film. He has a lot of potential, but he ended up remaining pretty static for a while until they made him worse. Could've been so much more.
He's the goat. He blamed himself for the movies "failure" instead of the fans. Not really his fault though..
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They should have made Chris the director.
Chris is a good actor, I think he just needs a good role to put it into perspective, but the plot of Love and Thunder was just... difficult to him.
He's absolutely not the one to be blamed
I want a sincere Thor movie. Comedy can be there but it has to be a sincere movie that doesn’t throw in screaming goats for shits and giggles.
Taika allowed the wackiness into the final cut, but I get why Chris doesn't want to throw him under the bus. He's a nice guy and Taika is his friend
He did incredibly well, the scripts failed him
captain Marvel: Its the audience' fault for my movie flopping.
Chris: It's no one's fault but mine
Taika ruined the mcu, this whole "yeah we just took the characters, and threw out how they'd normally act and just winged it" is literally the worst thing to ever do to characters like thor and bruce when they have such specific and controlled personalities within this universe. they feel nothing like themselves
I don’t think it has Chris’s fault at all I’d was taika
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1:20 thor going all out would have been really bad for earth
I mean Chris is a contributing factor sure. But he's far from the one to blame, he is an actor. He's not the one making decisions but he probably does have quite bit of influence and free reign to do so. It does seem like the vibe onset was very wacky and goofy. Personally, I myself tend to get caught up in silliness also, its fun and we all love to laugh. But it's certainly quite on the nose in the context of this movie because the character of Thor is definitely no joke.
It was like Thor: Ragnorok was unexpectedly amazing and they leaned to far into the comedy
True, after all the character development and redemption, he should have gone on to rule his own universe after endgame.
While "Producer" is a legitimate role for the most part, sometimes the title is simply used to bring money and attention to a project
95% of the time it isn't the actors fault
Taika Waititi was one of the worst things that could have happened to Marvel and this reinforces it
Wait a damn minute, he made 2 movies and one of them is the best Thor movie… and the other is the worst.
@@OVOJermey so basically, average
@@mayurkXD855 yeah sure 🥸
@@OVOJermey but i am kinda more angry on him coz he made such an awful joke of Thor's character 😭
@@mayurkXD855 fair enough 🙏
CinemaSins-the Greek Zeus would not refer to a son with a Roman name Hercules he would call him Heracles
Th3Birdman-and Loki is not Thor's brother
and Mjölnir doesn't have a worthiness enchantment on it
and Zeus never interacts with Odin or even knows of Odin.
Seriously, if you're going to use, real-life mythology as the basis for Marvel’s, you should have started this a long time ago like in Thor
Comics- Heracles changed his name to Hercules to avoid any association with Hera
I think Thor's best moments were the fluff moments where he gives exposition which isn't great. But it's still some of my favorite parts from the first and second avengers movies.
Taika wrote, Directed & starred in Love & Thunder which goes to show that he can’t actually do any of those things
He should have brought the Thor from Thor the Darkworld in Live and Thunder and it would have been a great movie.
It was Chris and, predominantly, Taika+Disney's fault. After 2, Hemsworth was right to want a change but to ENDLESSLY obsess over 'reinventing' Thor and facilitating Taika's moronic narcissistic self indulgence as he 'ruined our mythos in a minute' was very silly. That movie does not exist to me. Seeing The Thunderer become a bumbling moronic, room temperature IQ airhead who's very presence irritates even goofs like The Guardians was UNACCEPTABLE.
Bs. Hemsworth wanted to change Thor for good. He wanted a better Thor. Not the bs taika comedic thor.
The only thing Taika Waititi is good at is becoming Korg that's what he's good at
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It was never his fault. It was Taika Waititi, a director who openly joked about ignoring the lore of the character, and who pushed for the script to be turned into a comedy because it's what Taika is good at... but it ran completely parallel to what the Gorr storyline was supposed to be.
He is right that Thor became a parody of himself, but it's not because of the actor, they are performers who are supposed to perform according to the script that writers create and directions of a director.
Of all the problems Love & Thunder had, he was CERTAINLY not one of them
Regarding Chris' grievances about Thor's role in the Avengers films, they're not without validation. Thor is alienated amongst the Avengers as he's literally a god among men. He's stronger than the Hulk, but since Thor isn't a mindless beast, it's hard to keep his character interesting. A good screenwriter can't even lean towards Thor's alcoholic-hedonistic tendencies as that's something the audience is more accustomed to seeing Tony Stark do. It's difficult to get Thor "grounded" since he's not with Odin, Loki and Jane all the time.
We need a full potential, rageful, serious, and wise Thor that has the odinforce and acts like a true leader.
basically you want the strongest version of all characters?
You do realize that means the need to bring the strongest version of the villains or the nei omnipotent beings too. There's a reason World Breaking Hulk, Iron God, and Allfather Runeking thor like characters and kept outside of main continuity in comics too.
Good to see someone gifted with so much talent and genetic fortune being human and humble, but this is misplaced. He’s most certainly not at fault.
Hey, Chris is built as a leader, a Guy who gets things done, and a BadAss. He has played many other movies and he is gifted. But like i have seen before, as the actors get older they become wiser. Also take a look at Keanu and Tom Cruise. People are always going to see their movies because its entertaining for current time, its full of action, and its just fun!!! I think Chris should ride the wave and learn as he is having fun. I loved Chris in the 12 Strong, Extraction, the Huntsmen was entertaining, Red Dawn shows him as a leader (Which i think in real life he is a real leader. Maybe im wrong). Any way i think Chris is a great actor! He has played many many roles and should just ride the wave.
after reading the comics i wonder if they did thor 4 the way they did ragnarok, how good would it have been
Much better, probably still not great but much better for sure.
ragnarok was already shit anyway, thor 4 is just the continuity of that.
Bro infinity war was a thor focused movie
this man needs to be treated right for the next movies. he needs an happy ending and someone who actually CARES for the character just like hemsworth.
This movie had such potential
Zack Snyder must be director of Thor 5..😅
I feel like he’d actually kill it, not so good with Superman but Thor is the right guy for the job. Imagine if he made Love and Thunder oh myyyyy
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His Zeus would give Thor a run for his money
They should make thor a bit more serious now not only comedy
I felt like hemsworth carried the first movie and still did with Ragnarok
00:48 he did what
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I kinda liked the movie tho... The comedy fitted his development ngl just my opinion tho like its not the comic days no more people gotta understand its for the newer generations.
Yeahhhhh no, the movie was ass.
Ragnarok - OOO VERY GOOD
Love and Thunder - Oh god what is this monstrosity… LOOK AT HOW THEY MASSACRED MY BOY
Damn, im all against idolising actors, but that's very humble and kind of him. No wonder I was a fan of him as a child lmao.
His acting is never horrible it was just the story ngl
Thor love and thunder had a lot of flaws but Chris was not one of them. He plays the character consistently throughout the franchise and his performance was honestly one of the best parts although the script was a little to comedic
I gotta say i feel bad for starlord they sorta made him a joke as well in gotg 3
There are definitely some ppl who're to blame for Thor's failure but he's not one of them.
He will always be our Thor! It's not his fault why Thor failed.
It makes you wonder: would the MCU be better if Edward Norton's hulk was still in The fray of avengers?
I don't have a correct answer. But my personal answer is...
YYYYYYYYEEEEEEESSSSSSSS!!!!!???????!!??????
Cmon guys just let it go. Its just one bad movie
who are you talking to? It was a bad movie, people have to point out its a bad movie so that marvel doesnt make another bad movie. Because people are saying its a bad movie even Chris himself is saying its a bad movie. Thus making it easier for us to get a good movie next time. Whats even more is that everyone in response is saying that its not completely Chris fault that its a bad movie which is true. Althought he bares some reponsibilty its nowhere near as much as his fault as it is Marvels. Just Chris admiting its a bad movie makes everyone confident that the next one will be a better movie
@@averydee5328idk about that last part but if there still is being a Thor 5 then we can only hope for the best we cannot be confident
@@Dobbythecat123 Confident is too strong of a word. After watching Thor 4 I didn't want a Thor 5. After hearing what Chris said I'm interested in a Thor 5 now.
@@averydee5328I only want one if Loki is in it again. I just love when our favorite Asgardian brothers are on screen together
As the strongest Avenger, sounds like he’s taking one for the team.
thank god he's finally taken some accountability he is the guy that wanted to take thor in this direction since thor ragnarok. when he said the character needed to do something new he is the man responsible for help implemented jokey comical thor it's everything that thor isn't like in the comics.
@@Oldschool1943 bruh
@@KamenRide-DogiShe right, lady is right, if you disagree show some arguments then.
@@YaBoyfelipe i didn't disagree I was just shocked I respect everybody opinion also sorry if you thought I was disagreeing I am very sorry
As a producer he does have responsibility over the director too. He is the one paying the director. That's why he is taking responsibility, should've put Taika in loose chains.
When you have ten producers on a movie, most of them are just names drawing an additional paycheck. Only a very few of them actually count.
@@danieldickson8591 just names? They are still producers with a power of say. It’s their money. Who decides to be just a funder vs an active individual comes across when you got producers voicing blame on themselves
Chris hemsworth is a great actor and it’s a shame to see him get typecast as a muscly big guy cas he’s amazing in films like Furiosa and Rush
Love Hemsworth, great actor who oozes charisma in most of his roles, especially Thor. He was great in Furiosa too. The rot started in Ragnarok, with T.W.'s very juvenile schoolboy sense of humour. It's rampant in Time Bandits, and ruined Love & Thunder. Shame, but definitely not Chris's fault, that's a director's 'vision' thing.
I'd like the new Thor movie to be directed by James Gunn or Villeneuve or Hemsworth himself.