Why Aren't There Aliens in This Imperial Prison?
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Bruh
I refuse to order merch from a Human Supremacist.
...just kidding, I'll take 12. God knows the alien scum won't hunt *themselves* to extinction!
I doubt the electrified floor aspect of the prison would work well across various species.
indeed, what might be a survivable shock for one species might be borderline fatal for other species
@@MercenaryPen or the highest settings might feel like nothing more than static to another
Exactly my first thought
True, some species might even get high on electric shocks and if you have aquatics they would have an easier time if they manage to exit the building, with the place surrounded by water and all that. I imagine Trandoshan feet would be nicely insulated with scaly callouses and whatnot.
@@MercenaryPen Yeah some species may have evolved on a world with like an electrified ground.
From the very first in A New Hope, when Luke and Han were posting as stormtroopers taking Chewbacca to the detention facility, the Imperial officer demanded what they intended to do with "that thing." Clearly, putting aliens (at least Wookies) into detention with humans wasn't an expected practice.
And Chewie didn't get a medal 🤭😂😂😂
Perhaps they don't imprison many aliens because summary execution is the norm for non-humans
In the episode where Andor gets sent to the prison they were literally separating prisoners in the lineup based on their home planets for this exact reason. I thought it was pretty obvious.
To Generation Tech :
One concept of Wookie society, that greatly benefitted the Empire, was that they were highly proficient in the development and assembly of electronic circuitry (a shocking skill for such a massive species).
Well done well done 👍🏼
They do make Bowcasters- those are very technically advanced weapons.
@@MrRedFoxorMrelzorrorojo They are to most Blasters what a handheld railgun would be to an AK 47 or an M16 rifle. *Yeah. "Beasts" my ass.*
Size dont matter, it was hair that matter.
Engineering in general was a big talent the Wookies had
Space racism
Space Alienism
Spacism, if you will
Then wouldn’t they be IN prison?
Xenophobic
We are all human supremacist😏
Me and my gf both work at Amazon and there were way too many similarities between the Prison in Andor and the "Fullfilment" center we work at. We always have "games" where we compete against different teams and floors. We even have electric belts we have to where that vibrate when you don't move correctly. Fml
Terrifying! It reminded me of a car factory I worked in. "Never slow up my line" ....too relatable.
Wow
Don't forget forced meditation! "Think about something that makes you happy for 30 seconds. Don't worry, we will make sure this slows you down a bunch as well"
It's the Amazon way
The one major difference being that you can just leave, right?
*thumbnail*
Andor: "I need an adult."
Blue Twi'lek Lady: "We are adults."
😁
Somehow I failed to notice it. Probably it's due to segregation. I assume aliens are treated even worse.
Came here to say this-aliens are officially unworthy of human rights in the Empire-that’s the hint of “revocation of imperial tolerance”
@@The_CGA they don't call them 'human rights' for no reason.
Yup it would be worse to be an alien in the empire
Yeah most are sent to slavery and if they resist then the Empire just massacres their entire species.
Yeah, the republic had the Rights of sentience which was replaced with Human High culture with the new order
9:38 Part of the reason why the prisoners in Narkino 5 aren't acting like hardened criminals is because they probably weren't. The recent robbery on Aldhani might have led the Empire to ratchet things up significantly, but I'd wager they've been arresting relatively innocent people to send to to Imperial factory prisons for as long as there's been an Empire. I'd also wager that the Empire sent serious criminals, particularly those with histories of violence, to other less pleasant facilities.
I agree, I am not even sure that most of the men in that prison did anything wrong or broke any laws, Cassian Andor didn't. The empire needed cheap labour or better yet free. This has been done in all wars on this planet and was done by the old European emipres in colonial times. Today this is done by companies in capitalist countries that use sweatshops and work camps in countries where people are poor and human rights are non existant and under fascist rulers and regimes.
It's like these Imperial officers needed to fill a quota, like police officers once needed to do for passing out tickets to reach their quota for the month. These Imperials seem to have the right to arrest any person, even just on suspicious intent. Obviously the judge of the area didn't care either. They need to do as the Empire commands.
My theory is that the aliens are the flavorless paste that the human prisonners have infinite supply of. And I wonder what the prized flavor might be: Shish Kebab Ewok ? Fried Mon Calamari ? Kaminoan suhi ?
Soilent little Green men is aliens
I prefer the theory on the flavour additive being human. It’s gonna be real strange if the next episode has Andor’s cell floor being “awarded” with flavoured paste in memory of Ulaf.
Soylent Selkath? 🤔
@TheRealSHNEAKO🏳️🌈 Ela vre! Poly calamaris! (With intergalactic tartare sauce! )
@@gunargundarson1626 Taste like pork?
1 reason for the lack of aliens is likely due to budget. They clearly spent a lot of resources on VFX, set pieces, and acting. So they likely didn't have much to scrap for prosthetics and costume design. Another good reason for it though, is that the weight in a lot of scenes is carried by the excellent facial expressions from the actors. Which is something you just can portray with alien prosthetics. Imagine how much less weight Andy Serkis' scenes would have if we didn't see his raw facial expressions
Prosthetics also take hours of work. You can't just slap some silicone on someone and call it a day.
Yeah I had noticed even before the prison episodes that there have only even been a handful of aliens in the show and I don't think any of them have even had names thus far. There should have been at least one alien in the Aldhani group imo
Are you really picking Andy Serkis as an example of why non-human characters aren't as expressive? Granted, Gollum is GCI (and really expensive) but still.. ;)
They gave the answer in the episode when they were choosing where to send Cassian. I'm surprised anyone asked the question. They put Cassian there according to the planet he claimed to be from.
They could have made it easier to show that by having aliens going to a different shuttle
@Todd Kes they kinda did, they showed multiple shuttles and multiple people going to different shuttles
@@jamesdavis1917 So there were humans into one set of shuttles, and aliens being diverted to other shuttles?
@Todd Kes no, because they aren't segregated by human/non-human, they're separated by home planet, as was clearly illustrated by the officer asking for the prisoners home planet, then telling them which shuttle to get into. The line of people in that scene are all human, so it can be assumed that they were already sorted by species beforehand.
@@jamesdavis1917 They could have at least shown the segregation occurring. Having a Wookie being diverted to a second line with thicker bars would have been a good way.
The Narkina 5 prisoners are also all men, which of course is logical as a mixed population would cause all sorts of drama, and the work is very physical, though I have wondered if some of the other floors are entirely female workers though this is unlikely. A random alien on each floor would probably be the 'odd man out' and that would break up the unity of each group or the alien's difference might cause the workers to focus on them. It might make sense to have isolated floors of near humans like Mirialans, Zabrak or Twi'leks (which are said to be the second most common species in the galaxy). Since Umbara was under Imperial occupation at this point in time, Umbarans would be a logical choice, on a dimly lit floor due to their low sensitivity to light.
Twi'leks were likely sold off into slavery to keep the underworld in check.
"Preemptively retaliatory acts ... that are completely justified" - everyone who just read The Killing Star or The Dark Forest and didn't think about it too hard.
To be fair "dark forest" doesn't lend itself to limiting it to "some species". It basically posits that the process of making the distinction is harmful over either extreme reaction.
I assumed it was so it was easier to optimise labour. Humans require different food and temperatures, making it easier and cheaper as you say.
Disney was cheap when it comes to budget for good alien costumes🤣
Finally someone said it
I assume this is what the Empire would consider a Minimum Security Prison, and I doubt in their xenophobia they would allow any alien to be sent to a minimum security prison.
It seems pretty clear that the prison was designed for humans, human pain levels, accommodation and dietary needs and being able to use the tools at that specific prison.
I assume there are other prisons for wookiees and other aliens.
That's why they asked him what planet he was from before they told him which transport to get on.
Grouping means you don't need more knowledge of languages past one language. Standardized facilities, gear, etc., also make it more efficient for "prison labor". Plus, Palpatine was rumored to be Xenophobic, so putting the other space races in the farthest, harshest reaches, would explain, why there are no other races at Narkina 5.
I feel like he was only situationally and selectively xenophobic. He had a lot of confidants and allies who were non-human, altough many were near-human. He might've not been a full on xenophobe, but he used xenophobia as a tool to control the imperials.
@@qr-code6334 or a bit of both. Remeber the empire believed their own bs so it shoudlnt be too shocking for a bigoted person to hire exceptional aliens.
In real life that happens all the time, even the nazis had "good" "dengerates" as they would say
@@qr-code6334 I think that is the case. He used xenophobia as a tool. The alien races in the core worlds and in his circle were protected as long as they followed the rules. THe aliens in the outer worlds were free realm for the more racist tendencies of the imperials.
was a "no sabers, no star wars" kind of guy but man has Andor won me over big time. excellent dialogue and writing mixed with believability for the circumstances (living in a galactic empire) and the brutal efficient tyranny of the empire is what ive been waiting for. not some goofy non shooting stormtroopers or silly little droids but terrible, intelligent, well spoken monsters with the ability to find you any and everywhere withihn their domain.
There are more prision buildings, this may be the human male block and in next week episode we might se a multi building breakout as other blocks are realizing what is going on helping the Rebellion to gain a massive influx of personnel
Andor has turned into the best thing SW has done since Rogue One or the revitalized Clone Wars. My hope is that by the end of the first season Andor has been sufficiently swayed to fight and that the majority of season 2 is him operating within the rebellion.... basically I hope season 2 is the Andor version of the show Rebels... as much as I loved that show, it ultimately was more of a kids show and Andor has the chance to be the adult version! Melshi, Andor and Vel operating a rebel cell (like Phoenix squad) but with the pacing, writing and maturity of the first season
Seems like you got your wish! What a show.
I do enjoy your star wars informational videos. I also appreciate your points of view on star wars topics and your open mindedness, and ability to toss in some humor with your videos is always good stuff. Another round of applause for you on another great video.
It’s highly likely that the exact electric shocks that a species can withstand, or conversely may be immune to, is also extremely variable. Given the precision of the prison, it’s likely the floor is perfectly tuned for humans.
I am sure their is a story reason, but realistically its most likely to keep the cost down.
I’m loving the focus is more on the empire. I like seeing imperial things
I can't imagine the empire going out of their way to make alien species feel comfortable either.
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Bruh
Rogue One was also fairly short on aliens. I do miss them. I'd like to have more aliens, but I can also understand how they can get in the way of the high quality acting and the relatable characters we're seeing in Andor.
Yeah, the lack of background aliens is a justified complaint but I think expecting aliens on the main cast is an unrealistic expectations. I simply can’t relate to a Quarren or a Rodian. And this is coming from a white guy who looked up to characters like Leia as a kid.
Sounds like you want Star Trek.
@@ImTheReverse Why not? The characters don't have to look like us. I genuinely feel for K2S0 on Rogue One and he's a robot.
Admiral Raddus was quite a prominent character in Rogue One...
@MartijnVos: Really? "Short on Aliens." Jedha city had a decent amount of aliens. Sol Gerrera had a lot of aliens working for him. Even the resistance had a few aliens.
Probably segregated because each species would need their own accommodations and it's cheaper to create facilities that cater to one type of species, rather than having to have cells on the same block being different from the rest. One thing I've also noticed is that the Empire's officers and troops are pretty much the same species, with very little variations between the humanoid species. They'd have to keep changing tools to accommodate different species on the assembly lines as well.
10:40, i agree, it was a missed opportunity. Would have been neat if the first few episodes were extremely diverse, and as the season progressed, as Andor's journey moved on, there'd just be less and less non-human characters. Other species just quietly fading away as the Empire quietly segregates, imprisons, or enslaves what they considered 'lesser beings'
It could have made for an impactful, if quiet, visual story telling element.
Wouldn’t make much sense though since canonically most non-humans outside the outer rim were already enslaved or killed by then
We’ll done Tech. Tough subject handled with care.
Palpatine definitely said "hey, I'm not xenophobic. I... I have a bunch of non human friends" at some point in his live
Finally a video on why so little aliens in the show! Writing is great hopeful they get a bit more aliens and droids and things in the show later on
"Preemptive retaliatory attack" is the sort of phrase I expect to hear on the news in a year or two
limited production budget and the inclusion of aliens would throw off the visual parallel to clone wars production and THX1138
Its what they call in the industry a "bottle episodes" where its ment to cut down on costs by just having one set and minimal costumes.
I loved rhe humor you interjected in here. Good explinations.
Logistical issues with a single race prison are very few, you don't have to worry how to feed & house them, also if some races as Mirallians, Togrutas or Twi'leks are really compatible with human food & ergonomics.
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Well I've been a long time fan of Generation Tech so I already know that you're a Humanity first supporter.
My thoughts: Respect and stubborn maybe
I don't know about cannon, but I know in legends lots people around the galaxy (both humans and non humans) refered to Mirialans and Pantorans as human. Like in the MedStar duology Barriss was refered to as a human more often than a Mirialan. It would be cool to see them in live action
“There, I said it.” 😂 We all have wondered if Mon Calamari smell like fish.
Excellent observations...
I love Alan thanks Generation Tech !
Tony Gilroy doesn't look "uncomfortable" with anything that's going on. Dude is a professional.
That’s a polite way of saying he probably thinks the aliens look stupid
@@GenerationTechHmm could be. Either way, thanks for the reply, you are doing the best coverage of Andor on RUclips. Really enjoying it.
Humanity First!
I think it's also worth noting that after Andor was sentenced they asked him what planet he was from before telling him which shuttle to board. Likely to ensure he went to a prison that best suited him. As I recall there are a lot of Aliens that kinda look like humans too, so there's always a risk someone might slip through just going on visual ID.
While the Empire probably doesn't care if any of the prisoners die, remember that Andor was "only" sentenced to 6 years. There are probably a lot of prisoners serving set sentences that are expected to go back out into public life again. However, they will have spent a very intense, stressful 6 years (or so) working closely with, and depending on, their fellow humans for survival. So when released, even if they still don't love the Empire, there'll likely be a gulf of empathy between them and non-humans they encounter... a psychological conditioning that will be deeply rooted and hard to overcome.
Because the Andor show didn't have enough budget for alien costumes and makeup, lol
I think if it was just the easier aliens to do like Mirialans, Zeltrons, or Pantorans they could do it, but if they started introducing even just near-humans, it would destroy the uniform blandness of the prison.
How would feel if a Zabrak man made the record time for assembling something while imprisoned by the empire? It would likely be the standard and if humans cannot keep up, they’re zapped.
that's not even true, they made designs for ferrix. notice how the aliens are basically gone when the empire arrives
I think you nailed it, I'd be surprised if the Gilroys aren't working with a very tight budget. Filming mainly on the UK, trying to avoid unnecessary CG. No super big stars. Using big action set pieces rarely. Plus it's such an actorly show they're trying to avoid obscuring faces and latex hides micro expressions.
Except this clearly looks like the highest production values since Rogue One. So no, this take is wrong.
Perhaps the Imperials thought having an all human prison would encourage the humans to reform and rehabilitate to become productive members of the Empire, uniformed or citizen.
I love the subtle subtext jokes in this episode.
Aliens and droids (done well) are expensive. If I have to sacrifice those in season 1 to get tons and tons of K2SO in season 2, I’m on board! 😂
Seriously, though, if those funds were diverted to get more really talented actors like Andy Serkis to come in for a whole arc, and to ensure whatever CGI they DO use is very high quality, then I’m ok with aliens only in the background for this one SW show.
Because Disney wants to save money
Star Wars Universe answer: they're in the mines or dead..... TV answer: CGI and Makeup was too expensive to make aliens....
It would make financial and logistical sense to build prison facilities for one species that has similar needs.
They should have had one shock-resistant alien in the prison for comedic purposes. It'd be great to watch the alien be like "Wait, was that supposed to hurt?". Then they'd realize that they need to _pretend_ it does. Bonus points if the alien overacts being electrocuted in the most hammy fashion possible.
The answer?
1. Humans get around a lot...really, the population of humans is frankly kinda absurd in star wars that it is a suprise there isn't more star-racists against humans. It also helps they come from a variety of cultures whom might dissent against the empire.
2. Slavery/gulags: it is FAR easier to likely enslave other races to work in dangerous jobs that imperials don't do.
3. Shoot first, ask questions later: I am unsure what imperial doctrine is on the alien, but it appears less favorable than the human...it might be that aliens are victims of greater brutality/use of force resulting in many, many more deaths.
4. Racist jail systems: it might be far easier to detain a bunch of aliens all together whom may have a variety of needs compared to most humans, add in the abillity to easily control if they get uppity (a imperial might hesitate to bombard a a human prison colony, but a all alien one? That's "martial practice")
Tl;Dr: the empire is racists, but have some justification for it in their minds in one way or another...and besides? Who is the people going to complain to on the government acting out of line? The government?
You make some terrific points, and I agree with you Allen! We must keep the races separate!
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The real explanation from the producer’s perspective is probably due to budget cuts since it is costly to put background characters into alien costumes. A reason for the storyline would probably be a strategic organizing of prisoners based on their physiology that are better suited for certain tasks a project was required. I read somewhere that the writers of the older trilogy had to be creative in making backstories when budget cuts happened. For return of the Jedi the slave girl Oola was supposed to live but they had to change the story of her dying in the ranchor pit because of budget restraints.
Possibility of Rebellion is also another reason why prisons are segregated, if a mixing pot of species are thrown into the same dungeon, beings from across the galaxy can find common cause through all their injustices. All of a sudden you have different rebel cells in contact with one another, who can join together and trade information and work together when their time is served.
The Mon Calamari would also make the prisoners Frito Misto when they got fried with the floor
The entire story has been focusing on humans to make it feel more grounded in reality.
I agree mixing aliens would be problematic from creature comforts and food plus their different pain thresholds for shock therapy. Other towers could be some customized alien prisons depending on what the whole complex is building maybe heavy industry in tower three uses wookies with transdotian prison guards.
Perhaps they will make a series about Viceroy Nute Gunray's time in prison after he was captured at the end of the Phantom Menace. I certainly hope that he was allowed to still wear his big silly hat while he served his sentence.
Lmao
"Being labeled a human supremacist by the Outer Rim Poverty Law Center" is one of loudest ringing endorsements you can get, just like the earth equivalent... 😂
There's obviously species specific prisons to avoid the prisoners killing each other.
I agree with your in lore reasons but I think the added benefit for Palpatine is if everyone hates and resents each other they can't come together to go after him. The Alliance became so successful because it went against that and showed the Empire persecuted everyone at some point. Another benefit is that all this made the Dark Side swell with power. That increased Palpatine's power since there were only 2 Sith and he really wasn't trying to have Vader on his level anyway. So he didn't really put in the Sith minimum level of instruction to Vader's learning. Enough for his apprentice to be a more efficient attack dog than Maul but less ambitious than Dooku.
That’s what I been saying about these newer Disney shows. A lack of aliens. A little in TM and BOBF but almost none in Obi wan and Andor
I think the reason the alien species aren’t there is simple, the empire either kills them or sends them off to outer rim syndicates for slave labor.
@2:20 - I'm sure the ORPLC will definitely have something to say about that remark too.
the humor is dry and dark and i love it
Outer Rim Poverty Law Center. 😂😂
Well played sir.
Humanity first, that’s why. There are no aliens here
You don't want Humans, even in prison to see Aliens as equals. That would 1) Make them realize they are more alike than different and 2) they would carry that home.
Keep them separate and reinforce the stereotypea.
Aliens probably went to separate prisons
My guess is that it would be too difficult for the Empire to have to the necessary accomodations, food and medical facilities (limited as they appear to be) for non-human species at each facility. As others have stated, this is probably why the prisoners are chosen to go to a certain prison/factory.
“Outer rim poverty law center” lololololo You’re hilarious
I came to the conclusion that it was simply cheaper to keep them apart so as not to have special meals, physical adaptions etc for the hundreds of species involved. Keeping them separate makes sense that way.
'OUTER RIM POVERTY LAW CENTRD' I AM F3CKING DYING 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
"OMG! He said it. HE SAID IT!" - In my Peter Griffin voice - lolololol
The real answer is because Andor didn't want to put alien costume design into the show budget
Thank you! This is my only issue with the show. Not only are there no aliens in Narkina 5 but there are barely any aliens throughout the show. Missed opportunities for Aldhani, Ferrix, Coruscant and even the Morlana club.
Exactly that is why I was so into star wars as a kid the different kinds of alien species without aliens star wars would not be star wars
Agree with the exception of Aldhani. I originally wanted the Aldhani to be aliens too, but I realized with the Rebels just being undercover up there as some of the few people who still lived in the highlands a bunch of humans would have stood out.
@@donkeysaurusrex7881 good point, didn't think of that.
Wow its like the company couldn't afford more aliens.
The prison was built for human slave labor. The only way they can oppress is through electrocution. I think the floors would be obsolete towards other species.
I’d bet that prison is also built specifically to break down humans mentally and physically, alien psychology may be different
In a Kel Dor prison, you wouldn't even need something that hi-tech. Just confiscate their oxygen filters and put them in an air-tight facility. Oxygen is poison to Kel Dor so they wouldn't even want to get out.
"I think the floors would be obsolete towards other species."
There are some cool looking aliens in the Corusant scenes with Mon mothma in episode 8
Maybe some aliens are immune to the floor so they just send all Aliens to the Spice mines
Lol Endor Wiggen reference, but ofc Endor regreted it so much he wrote a set of books utterly denouncing himself so much so he was reviled as a monster in the far future....damnit now I need to read the Speaker of the Dead series :D
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ORPLC . . . love it :)
What do you think they used to feed the prisoners? Prisoners don't have rights and it solved the Xeno concerns with... logistics. Brought to you by the Moff Foundation for an orderly galaxy
they would need to keep the temperature pretty warm because there doesn't seem to be sheets or socks they can wear on their feet
That snowboard is in dire need of some wax my friend. Give it some love!
I think that most alien species are more resilient than humans, and that is why they made a "nicer" prison. I think since the original operation parameters for these facilities meant the prisoners would have been released at the end of less harsh sentences. They wanted to alter these human's behavior, break them before releasing them back into society, but now with near total obedience to their Imperial masters.
The directive to just keep the prisoners for double or triple time was newly instituted. Which is why they messed up and placed that one dude back where they shouldn't. This was Andor's fault, he was part of the heist that triggered all the new rules and directives to keep prisoners and to crack down on anyone who seemed to step out of line.
I don't miss the aliens, honestly. The show is too high quality for the lack of aliens to be a factor
I think it may be because of the technology that they are using on Andor and his mates, and if you ask why the empire are using alien then, its because they dont like them.
I just asssumed Aliens were too expensive for the budget Disney, but you make some good points