@@BattleshipAgincourt I just said I am aware that the meme Im referencing was not a hundred percent accurate, I was just explaining the power gap between Vader and Voldemort
@@linda-0587And what makes it more impressive is that Vader at that point was mentally hindered and suicidal which is confirmed to have affected his capabilities greatly.
yeah, that was my thought. can't speak. having your wand "forced" our of your hand, or snapped in half... the only way oldie gone Voldie might possibly win is a sneak attack while Vader is asleep. and maybe even then the force would pre-cog it. and we watched Luke crush those death robo troopers (whatever they are called) when rescuing Baby yoda.... I'm sure Vader could squish Voldy like that
@@Teddy-tx7wb The problem would be, vader likely only sleeps in his specialized chambers, constantly moving through space. Voldemort wouldn't know where that is and if he did it would be hard and dangerous to teleport to it due to the constant difference in distance and speed. If he were to do it from a planet he might also be stunned due to immediate changes in pressure and oxygen level. If he were to do that in vader's chamber, he might sense him. If voldemort somehow gets himself a spaceship and tracks the location of vader, he would also need to know where he exactly is, if he were to raid the ship then he would likely be spotted. Assuming that the troopers do their job they either shoot him on sight or hold him at gunpoint at which they would shoot him if he tried casting a spell from either speaking or moving his wand. If they have their popularized aim then they would likely wake vader up or vader would wake up sensing what's happening. Oh, and if he were to enter with death eaters they would be guarenteed to be spotted at which point it will likely immediately go to vader waking or being woken up.
"Lord Vader, we've pinpointed the disturbance you spoke of on the small planet below. Shall I ready your shuttle?" "No. Commence planetary bombardment. I have other concerns."
Devastator Captain: "Lord Vader, we've pinpointed the disturbance you spoke of on the small planet below. Shall I ready your shuttle?" Darth Vader: "No. Commence planetary bombardment. I have other concerns." Devastator Captain: "PREPARE FOR BASE DELTA ZERO!!!!! confirm with High Command that we are free to commence with base delta zero." Communications Officer: High Command has allowed the use of Base Delta Zero. all that is left of earth is the howling sounds of the devastators plasma blasts turning all life and buildings into molten slag, leaving earth a lifeless husk of a world. Base Delta Zero for those that dont know is the command that allows a fleet commander to turn Alderaan into the asteroids it became only they usuallya re barren husks with no life on it not asteroids. it was not a command freely used and in fact in order for it to be allowed, High Command on Coruscant had to be informed and only once High command had signed off could it even be commenced such was the severity of the act as often a Base Delta Zero on inhabited worlds would lead to a rise in potential rebellions......... ok perhaps someone should have informed that BDZ'ing Alderaan was a bad idea to Tarkin.
Funnily enough, depending on what point in Vader's life this is, he might actually have a vested interest in personally checking out HP Earth just to make sure their magic isn't powered by some sort of Jedi/Sith artifact he can use to one-up his master. 💀
@@RafaelSantos-cm9xy In Harry Potter if ur skilled enough u can cast spells without speaking them. If there was something that didn't let u do so for curses I would believe it would be mentioned in the book. And the forbidden spells aren't different from curses except for being lawfully forbidden. I could be wrong ofcourse at which I would like to be corrected.
@@CommanderOfPigeons it's true that nonverbal, wandless and non verbal wandless magic exists but it's really only something that exists consistently in non-european cultures (aka people like Native americans, african witches/wizards, etc) and we are never even hinted at the idea that even someone like Voldemort was able to do so and cast high level spells/curses at full power. Ultimately when it came down to it, characters like Dumbledore and even Voldemort himself chose to use their wands when performing their most powerful spells. Voldemort went out of his way to try obtaining the Elder Wand precisely because wands DID make a huge difference.
@@Shoddragon I was talking about nonverbal magic that did use wands, unless u made an error, I was not aware that there was use of magic that didn't involve wands. Although I do think I agree with the part where voldemort might not be skilled enough to cast avada kedavra without speaking. Also, where do u get the part that nonverbal wandless magic only consistently in non-Europian cultures?
Vader: "Horcruxes? Funny that, I have been sensing your presence in the Force in about half a dozen places ever since I came to this planet. Might as well go take a look. **Breaks Voldemort's wand with the Force, grabs him by the neck and goes for a stroll.**
@@rubendimov1449 Jedi and sith sense disturbances in the Force. This could be due to tramatic events, the precence of the dark side, other people, etc. It isn't much of a stretch to assume it would work on the Horcruxes since they have parts of Voldemort's soul in them. It hasn't been well established, I don't think, if they can directly sense souls in Star Wars, but it is quite likely they can when it comes to things like the precence of Force ghosts (and I do think Yoda could sense that ancient sith spirit in the Clone Wars, but it has been a while so I don't remember). Assuming the Force works in the universe they are in, I see no reason why sensing the Horcruxes wouldn't be possible, maybe even easy, since the Force has been shown very capable of sensing evil presences and items (like sith artifacts) in particular. I think it is more appropriate to say it is wishful thinking that Vader wouldn't be able to sense them. Since the Force is explicitly stated to be an energy field that binds everything, especially the living and spiritual, in the universe together, I really see no reason it wouldn't work with evil soul items.
@@RuyVuusen There are several problems with this: 1) This ability allows to sense mostly force sensitive beings because they cause the majority of disturbances. The presence of all other life forms could also be sensed but not identified. This is how rogue jedi were able to hide after order 66. They cut off their connection with the force to merge with ordinary people. Meaning Voldemort as a non force sensitive being would be a simple human among billions of other humans from the Force's perspective. 2) It's not a magical tracking device either. Even when they feel disturbances, it's mostly an abstract presence but not the actual location. There are a lot of cases when force users had to rely on technology or their deductive skills in order to find something or someone. For example: Darth Maul used a drone to find Qui Gon and his team on Tatooine despite both jedi and young anakin being force sensitive and on the same planet with Maul. Qui Gon and Obi Wan at the same time weren't able to sense that Maul arrived on the planet at all. Vader couldn't sense the rebellion's location on Hoth despite the fact that his force sensitive son was also there and deduced this also with a help of a drone. A lot of cases come from the clone wars where jedi had to act as detectives in order to find the villain or someone who got captured. Like Ahsoka who got kidnapped by Bossk's race or by the pirates and the whole jedi order couldnt find her until she managed to contact them by herself. 3) Voldemort's soul is split so his parts are even smaller than the actual human soul making it even harder to track. Considering Vader couldn't identify Leia as his daughter, it's possible he won't find any connection between Voldemort and some random objects around the Britain at all. 4) And probably the most important thing: Vader doesn't know that Horcruxes even exist and what it is in the first place. So there's no reason for him to even start hunting them. Not to mention Voldemort protected his horcruxes with every existing charm so even tracking spells were useless and the only way to find them was Harry's bond with Voldemort or knowing his past to deduce his logic. Combining all this, it's highly doubtful that Vader can find Horcruxes. Even if he feels some abstract presence of something dark on this planet it could be anything, including the planet itself, like on Dagobah
@@gardoc1669 I mean, that is pretty fair. I still feel like such ominous things should stand out in the Force by quite a lot, but as it stands there is no way to truly be certain if it is possible since they are different verses. At the very least I think the idea of that interaction is quite funny.
Voldemort used the spell against harry using two different wands, both having different reasons for being blockable. His wand had a tail feather from the same Phoenix who’s tail feather was in Harry’s, meaning that the wands were twins, meaning they can wound, but not fatality harm each other with those wands. The other wand was the elder wand, the most powerful wand ever created. That one didn’t work because Voldemort wasn’t the wands master. Sorry for the yap session
@@kalebgamez808 Well in the book the ending was different though, it's true the elder wand was loyal to Harry, but Harry didn't defeat Voldemort in the same way. He casted expelliarmus so fast that Voldemort's avada kedavra was in mid-casting when his wand flew away. By flewing away, just when the wand was pointing at him, the curse was fully casted and hit himself. It wouldn't be an epic emotional scene in the cinema I suppose, it's a very fast ending for the final battle, but that's what happened, Harry got actually better at dueling and defeated Voldemort fair and square at that time.
@@getBhavinShah No, he's just need to strangle Moldy Voldy. Either with the Force or the old fashioned way. Don't forget that Vader is strong enough to just strangle someone one handed while giving them the Chokeslam from Hell.
Voldemort not only couldn’t beat a teenage boy, but there are literally no dueling feats that help him. Even going against Dumbledore , that man was old as hell.
Plus magic wouldn’t work on the force because it’s too slow and u have to speak. Vader could literally freeze him before he opens his mouth and twist his neck in one breath
@@krxwnvxk3432 Like I know there’s non verbal magic, but the wind up or the specific wand movements needed are taking him outta there. And we haven’t seen him accomplish anything of the sort when it comes to this level of threat.
@f.m848 No he didn’t. If you are speaking of Kal Kestis, kal got his ass handed to him and even got stabbed with his own weapon. Cere Junda lost and died. She put up a good fight, but lost.
There are wizards in the Harry Potter universe powerful enough to cast without their wands, or without saying the spell. Don’t know about bout together though
@@perc_nowitzki4735 spells cast without a wand are significantly less powerful and from what I can recall casting super powerful spells without one either isn’t possible at all or they are reduced to such a degree that it’s a waste of magic.
@@applecore8978Given the timeline of Harry Potter, Voldemort wouldn’t know that word.. He wouldn’t know what a lightsaber is, and he wouldn’t understand the force or be able to counter it.
@@Arthur-oy4nju do know vader can force choke from thousands of kilometers away right? He can force choke voldemort without even having to be on the same planet through a TV screen. Ask admiral ozzel. So hands down vader wins and doesn't even get close enough for voldemort to use killing curse. One Facebook FaceTime call and fight is over
No, Anakin was not yet the most powerful Jedi--he had the "potential" to be the most powerful. Also, Sidious did not concede that Anakin WAS more powerful; during their lightsaber battle, Sidious told Yoda that Vader "WILL BE" more powerful than them.
Not to mention he forgot to mention vaders ability of dun mac to get inside the head and exploit a person’s personal weaknesses a lot was left out on vaders part but I do agree Vader slaps
Anakins entire RotS arc is him becoming stronger than the Jedi. The passage referenced is from the RotS adult novel, where Sheev tells Dooku on the IH that Anakin might be stronger than himself.
Also, take away the main weapons: Vader - would still be able to force to choke him, snap his neck, throw him around like a ragdoll, etc. Voldemort - just becomes a guy who really likes year-round Halloween
@@scoreyj13 Nothing strange here. He wasn't killed by Harry in a direct duel. He never lost a single fight in his life. He was killed because of the series of extremely rare accidental circumstances. And all of his horcruxes were destroyed at that point. There was a prophecy saying that Harry will win so Voldemort couldn't do anything about it. Everything happened according to this prophecy. He didn't lose to Harry, he lost to the Destiny itself. I'll tell you a secret but if there was a prophecy in SW that says Vader will be killed by Jar Jar, then Vader won't be able to do anything about it as well. No matter how improbable this sounds or how big the gap in strength between them is. The events will inevitably unfold in a way that leads to this exact outcome. In the cursed child we can see what would've happened if at least one of these circumstances had not occurred. A.k.a without this prophecy plot armor. Harry dies, Voldemort takes over the whole world and literally no one is able to stop him.
@@katerinamikaelson1416 The magic system in the Potterverse is based on incantations. Hard to talk when being force choked. Valdie's only chance is to take down Vader before Vader figures out how to totally shut down his magic. That means one spell, two at ABSOLUTE most. But like most villains, Valdie likes to gloat, which in this case will be terminal. Vader, on the other hand, has free hand to gloat all he wants once he figures out the magic system. He can interrupt Voldie's casting at will, choke him until he's almost passed out, let him get a few breaths in, choke him some more, and gloat the whole time to his villainous content.
@@andrewszigeti2174 no it's in fact not. Exactly my point. You folks no nothing about the Wizarding world which is why your argumentation is simply incorrect. Powerful wizards in the Wizarding world can use magic without incantations. Tom Riddle is one of the most powerful. He doesn't need a wand nor does he need his mouth. The rest of your comment is your imagination. There is no canon on how the force interacts with magic and you merely made it up. Fact remains we DO NOT KNOW.
The force shows Vader that the wand of the source of much of Voldemort's power. Darth yanks wand with the force, pins Voldemort's hands and mouth, game, set match
@@tommoore2012 Wouldn't work for the same reason the Imperius Curse is useless: Vader's constant pain fueling the Dark Side maintains a shield around his mind. Occlumency is all about mental discipline. Harry struggled with it because he couldn't control his emotions. The Dark Side is all about weaponizing your emotions and using them to fuel your Force powers. As Sidious said in ROTS: "Your anger gives you focus, makes you stronger." Novice practitioners of the Dark Side just drown themselves in their emotions to get a massive power boost (similar to what Luke did in ROTJ when he almost fell to the Dark Side) but experienced Dark Side users know how to wield their emotions while retaining their rationality, which requires a great deal of mental discipline. If Voldemort tried Legilimency against Vader, the only thing he'd see is an unbreakable wall of emotional energy fueled by decades of pain and rage.
@@tommoore2012the force can protect against mind reading. It's shown that mind reading is also a force ability and if the novice rey can do it, the potential strongest sith definitely can
I think one thing worth mentioning here, is that in a head to head fight neither is going to have any idea what the other is capable of, and both have issues with being arrogant. That being said, Voldemort tends to be far more arrogant and likely to underestimate his opponent, while Vader has force precog to aid him. Thus the moment voldemort tries to arrogantly cast a spell, vader's force precog will alert him to the danger allowing him to either block the attack with his lightsaber or use the force to wrench the wand away. And at that point Voldemort is pretty much defenseless since the force can act faster than voldy's spells. Thus force precog always allows vader to be ready for whatever Voldy throws, while Voldy has no idea what Vader has in his arsenal until snake boy is already hit with it. So Vader Stomps hard.
Anakin fought in the clone wars and became a brilliant tactician. I think Vader would recognize a weapon when he sees one and disarm him immediately. Can't concentrate on a spell when you're being force crushed.
@@AntonRosenkranz vader's precog allows him to see that coming before Voldemort can use it. meaning before Voldemort even has a chance to use it he is already getting force crushed. and voldemort it terms of his reaction speed, is not faster than a baseline human, where vader has both super human reaction speeds and force precog. Voldemorts mind reading ability cannot see into the future, where vader's force sensitivity can.
I don't see how he would be able to block a spell with his lightsaber, that sounds kinda cliché. No way Vader looses though, he kills Voldy with the force too fast for the old guy to cast anything meaningful
Vader just fucking blitzes and one taps him LMFAO. The speed gap alone is fucking monstrous but Vader's far superior range and AP mean that Voldy just... dies horribly.
@@Arthur-oy4nj The speed gap is enormous. The prequel novelizations had Obi-Wan moving his lightsaber so fast to stop droid laser fire that it looked as though he had created a laser wall and this incarnation of Obi Wan would get fortnite danced on by Prime Vader. Characters weaker than Vader like Kylo Ren during his first appearance could stop lasers mid air AFTER they had been fired without even moving his hands. Bottom tier jedi could consistently laser-time due to force precog. range wise, Vader has planetary+ range with the force and can even force choke people from a different part of the galaxy. AP wise: Vader can casually crush things like AT-AT's which far surpass Voldy's durability and fight creatures/force users who far exceed anything Voldy can dream of. " It's a stomp.
@@Shoddragon We do not know if Yedi could stop spells and of Wizards could be damaged by the force. So it is almost imposible to let one of the 2 winn. It are just 2 different stories
@@Arthur-oy4njhe doesn't need to block it. He can literally crush voldemorts wand before he casts a spell or enhance his speed and get up in his face before he can react
@@Arthur-oy4nj Vader has shown resistance to magic like that of the Muur talisman (the talisman that turns people into Rakghouls) and wizards can be damaged by literally anything. Harry Potter characters typically have average human stats and can amp themselves a bit with shield spells but not to the level that they could withstand Vader's AP. Even old dying characters like Yoda can casually lift things like X-Wings out of swamps and we've seen characters like Vader or weaker stop things like freighters mid-flight easily. There's nothing stopping Vader from immediately force choking voldermort and holding his entire body still with the force and crushing him to death. Even with the horcruxes we have nothing to suggest that Voldemort has infinite regeneration or something.
Vader would win hands down. Walks in and Force chokes Voldemort while holding him in the air. Yeah Voldemort's spirit can't be killed but his physical body can and it would obviously take a huge amount of time to get a new body for the rematch, plus if Vader really wanted he could actually study up a bit on Dark Side rituals and imprison or possibly even absorb Voldemort's soul into himself. Magic is very versatile yeah but in almost all its forms you need to be able to move or talk which Vader can stop easily
Also, Sith have magic too. It's called darkside alchemy. It's a mix of force powers and black magic. The nightsisters of Dathomir outright state that magic exists and is completely different from the power of the force. And the sith can harness it. Edit: I mean proper magic. Shit that allows you to transform into birds and throw fireballs type shit.
@@acegaming7301Zannah was quite proficient in Sith Sorcery and could cause pain to such a degree that even Bane considered it to be the greatest pain he had ever felt. Bane, by the way, had experienced unbelievable pain over the course of years via orbalisks and yet a single attack by Zannah exceeded all of that.
Voldemort's immortality could easily be used against him by Vader. Vader could easily disable Voldemort, remove his wand, and encase him in some type of metal box where he would stay for a very long time. And Vader being Vader, that would just be the start. He would research and discover the Horcruxes, locate them, and keep them for later use.
@@Fact-fiend_1000ASMR. The force, to be used, requires concentration. Voldemort aiming his wand at Vader and shooting the instakill spell at him takes less time. We see that this is how Voldemort treats non wizards, and there is literarly no reason for him to treat Vader differently. If Vader is very fast he will start choking Voldemort a millisecond before dying.
As a huge HP fan, I don't believe any wizard can hold up against any force user. Most spells are point and shoot. So a force user can easily sense and block or dodge the spells. While a wizard has no defence against the force. It's not even really a fight.
Shield charms block all kinds of attacks including telepathy and telekinesis. This alone gives defense against all force abilities while canon force users have no defense against wizards hax powers like Transifugration.
@@iio_moonit's questionable it a shield could actually block the force because the force is everywhere meaning it's already going to be past any shield that you could put up. There's not energy being sent out like a spell would use.
“Expelliarmus!” *light sabre flys 2 feet before Vader pulls it back” Vader :- “You do not know, the power, of the Dark side” Voldimort “ schkkllrrrghhh “ * force choking
So you're telling me that every single person that was hit with the killing curse was always a face or a handshot? Where does it say that the killing curse can only work if it hits a person's skin that makes zero sense.
@@onelove101unity 1) Armor didn't help before. For example in Hogwarts Legacy goblins who used the armor from goblin silver (has magical properties and is also super durable) enhanced with corrupted ancient magic still got affected by the unforgivable curses. 2) If armor did have protective properties everyone would've used it. 3) Even if we assume that Vader's armor is a physical object to the curse (it might not be because it's connected to Vader's internal organs basically making him one with his armor so it might be considered as a whole entity by the spell) and it won't hit Vader directly, the spell destroys every inanimate object that it hits, essentially "killing it". For example golden statue in the ministry was blasted to hundreds of pieces, wooden table was set on fire etc. Meaning the curse destroys the object in the most effective way. So if it hits the armor it will simply explode and as a result still killing Vader in the process
@@gardoc1669 fair enough. Doesn’t change the fact Voldemort would be dead before he can cast his spell and if if he did cast it then it would be dodged and he would be dead.
A Farmer boy lead to the end of a empire. a school of magic protected by the strongest wizards of the country defeated Voldemort who at that point had control over the government in the shadows. makes me wonder how good you think sidius and vader is
@@martimking1craft that farmer boy is the offspring of a Jedi with the largest midiclorian count in history, he's an extraordinarily gifted pilot, and he was trained by the strongest force user in Jedi history. Even with ALL OF THAT, Luke didn't brute force his win. Vader was already conflicted and killed sidious. Lets be real here, if Vader had not turned back to the light, Luke would NOT have won.
Why do these "vs." things always go against Darth Vader, and not his BOSS? Seriously, you beat Vader, and you just hear "Goood.....GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODDD! EVERYTHING has transpired according to MY design!"
Because although Palpatine is the emperor and the supreme villain, Vader is recognized as the more popular, more powerful villain, and the one with a better backstory and a more fleshed out character.
I think the light saber is Vader's single biggest X-factor in his favor for this fight. That thing is pure condensed, compressed energy. Any spell that Voldemort throws at Vader will get either blocked, deflected or absorbed by the saber. Its pretty much the ultimate counter for any physical or energy based attack, with magic being its own form of energy.
I agree but blocking every energy based attack is very far fetched there’s plenty of energy based attacks that would obliterate a light saber lol. Not saying Voldemort could do that but still.
@@joshalan5125 reality warping attacks. Well, with those attacks you wouldn't exactly be destroying the saber, just turning it into a stick for example
Can you talk about why Harry Potter vs Luke Skywalker isn’t even close because this debate been around since this whole Star Wars vs Harry Potter happened online along with Yoda vs Dumbledore
This is Disney Luke, not legends Luke. At least that's what I'm guessing since he went with Disney Vader here. I'd say Harry stance a chance, albeit a small one, of beating Disney Luke. Legends Luke would chunk a black hole in his direction tho
Voldemort: Monologues like usual Vader: Breathes and stares Voldemort: gasps as every bone in his body is crushed by an unseen pressure. Vader: walks away without any further thought
I have to go with Vader here as the winner but transmutation is the big X factor for me. If Voldemort can land that it's over. However that is a big If. Not brought up was the fact force users do have some precognitive abilities. If Voldemort plans to start whipping out Transmutations it may lead to Vader just ending things as he will sense significant danger coming. Hell even if it lands if Vader is still sentient he may still have the force so he might win as a spider as Voldemort is about to step on him and gets his head cut off by a floating light saber. In the end I think though this is a very talented and very skilled Bully versus a legitimate Bad Ass. Vader is made of stronger stuff and I see Voldemort breaking first.
Vader can sense the presence of anyone with power, which means Vader would have first attack resulting with a choke hold followed by disarming of Voldermorts wand. The only way Voldermort would have a chance would be if someone of greater power or emotional interest was distracting Vader.
Cant powerful sith stave off death? So couldn't he just tank the death curse? And wouldn't the torture curse only help his force powers like his annoying suit does?
Yes and no. The sith that did that were either heavily corrupted ie. Palpatine in the rise of skywalker, or only in a weakened spirit form like Marka Ragnos. The dark side is antithetical to life so when they try to prolong it things tend to get fucky. As for tanking it, maybe if he were to preform essence transfer, he may be able to pull it off but it's not something you do in a fight. It's more of a ritual thing and it never really goes well for sith.
If going by legends then yes. And Vader BEFORE he knew Luke was his son might be able to do it, since Anakin Skywalker was for all intents and purposes gone. We don't know for sure if he could, and even if he could Palpatine never taught him immortality, meaning he would become like Darth Sion or Darth Nihlus. People always go "OMG look how powerful Nihlus is he eats planets" but Vader or Palps are definitely stronger than Nihlus. Nihlus HAS to eat planets worth of life to survive, that's not a strength. Anywho I'm getting off topic, if Vader did have to do that I'm calling it a tie because any chance at immortality for Vader would be lost and he'd most certainly become a slave to the dark side. Yea, he'd beat mr no nose... but hell is a real place in Legends StarWars, and I would most definitely give Vader the ultimate L if he ended up there because of a fight with Voldemort.
Vader has force precog, so he can see the attack coming before Voldy even casts it, and Vader isn't stupid, he would stop the killing curse before it was even fired.
This is a excellent example of a phenomena in VS Debates I call "Material Quantity Bias", which basically means that whoever has more material is naturally favored. If we only has the original Star Wars trilogy, Volds would probably be favored, but Star Wars is a series where there is vastly more auxilliary material than source material while Harry Potter still has very little actual auxiliary material to go with the books, hell, there is probably more Darth Vader books than Harry Potter books. Because Star Wars is 99,5% worldbuilding/auxiliary material by volume, Vader has a near endless list of feats, skills and powers to analyze while Voldy has very little due to the lack of material and Rowlings wobbly worldbuilding. The result of this is that whenever we bring up a feat or skill of Volds, there is ALWAYS a skill or feat of Vader that trumps it, simply because there is just so damn much Vader material.
You make a good point. The more media a franchise has the more likely it'll have writers trying to out do each other on how powerful the characters are, and so have more power creep. Like how comics have several forms of ultimate supposedly all powerful gods stacked on top of one another. "No, wait. This ultimate white and gold colored being is totally the most powerful god of the setting!" Then two months later there's another really freaking high energy being who's totally more powerful.
This doesn't change the facts though. It just explains how the facts could have come to be. Also this doesn't take away any merit from Vader. There have been other works in the Potterverse aside from the books and likely none of it expanded upon Volde's powers. Even you try to argue that "there could be any number of powerful spells unexplored in world of the books that didn't come to fruition in the story", the fact of the matter is that these potential powers went unexplored for a reason: JK Rowling set Voldemort as the most powerful Wizard, so even if he could get several times more powerful, he would never actually do it because there was never going to be any need. It's probable that 20 other HP books, had them been written, would not push the envelope on what Voldemort was able to do. Vader, on the other hand, by the story of just the first three movies, had to be as strong as he was.
@@renato360a Considering Vader's powers greatly expanded from the OT, nevermind the first movie, I fail to see your point. Saying that a character is already strong in the initial media doesn't stop writers from adding new powers. Hell, it probably encourages them, as they get ideas for new abilities and give them to characters already considered strong to avoid complaints from fans. As the blitzburn noted, this isn't saying Voldemort would win, they're merely noting an out of fiction trend they've spotted and using the Voldemort vs Vader fight as an example. Not to mention, since this is an inter universe fight, there's a lot of unknowns. Could the Force tip off Vader to Voldemort's soul jars? We don't know, but fans hate when a supposed source of knowledge admits their limits, which tends to lead to guesses being portrayed as fact. That and in settings with multiple authors, or hell, just a long enough time stuff is being written in it, there are going to be inconsistencies. When faced with these there is a question; do we default to the strongest powers, even if they were used once and never again, or the most common, or a combo of the two. Does it sound complicated? Yes, welcome to large scale fiction writing. At least if you want to figure out a character's powers across hundreds of books, video games and seven movies. OT+PT+ Rogue One. Nevermind there might be an author with an agenda on board to pump up or nerf their favorite/ disliked characters.
@@adams13245 I think you're just repeating what blitzburn already said. My second point, in summary, is that Vader is a character with potential to be expanded upon, while Volde isn't. No matter how many writers you throw at Voldemort, he won't get any stronger. This potential alone I claim is reason enough to justify the superiority of Vader even in the face of publishing logistics. A simpler example of this is One Punch Man. How he was defined early determines his invincibility forever. Each stronger foe he faces reveals a new reason why he can't be beaten, as if they're adding to his powers. But this all adding stems from how he was first defined.
@@renato360a So because you say that Rowling said Voldemort was the most powerful wizard he cannot have said powers expanded. As opposed to Vader, who was said to be a prophecized hero who was going to end the Sith. As opposed to all the EU characters with crazy powers, like Starkiller, who dragged down an entire star destroyer or "5d chess genius!1!" Revan, who just so happened to stumble on an ancient factory with limitless power from the dark side, but totally wasn't corrupted by it. Or other "5d chess genius!1!" Thrawn who defeats his enemies with sherlokian wit cause Zhan has a hard on for milit- I mean he's totally a tactical genius. Nevermind that Outbound Flight pretty much shows him to be competent when faced by the tactically moronic Trade Federation, who somehow become completely trust worthy to reprogram a completely new technology to the Chiss... cause reasons. Suddenly Vader doesn't look that powerful, thanks to EU power creep. Seems like a good example of what blitz was talking about: the more writers you rent your universe out to, the more likely there will be major power creep, as said writers try to one up each other. Sure, I suppose Vader is stronger than Voldemort in a straight up fight, but blitz wasn't denying that, merely pointing out an interesting reason why that was probably true. Or are we not allowed to examine fiction as fiction when it seemingly deflates one of your favorite characters?
@@adams13245 it is magic for our world, but it is a natural well… Force in the Star Wars universe meaning it is scientifically studied, but I think the commentary means a lot of Vader stuff is from his tech. The light saber the suit the force is the main weapon for this fight, but still.
@@adams13245 without the force there wouldn't be life in Star Wars it surrounds all living things and bind us all together. even if you aren't a jedi you have midichlorian, to be a force user you just need to have a nescessary count of midichlorian. meanwhile magic is just magic. it has no effect on Harry Potters world if it didn't exist in fact most don't know it exist
I think this fight is a lot more even than a lot of people are making it, but the vast majority comes down to how the force and magic interact. A few preliminary assumptions about magic that I think most people are missing: - A wand is a focus item, not the source of magical power. (HP made glass disappear without a wand. Longbottom bounced when dropped by his uncle.) Some magic can be done without that focus, so breaking the wand does not make Voldemort defenseless, but significantly less of a threat. - Magic is as all encompassing as The Force. It can influence things in much the same way. Both magic and The Force tend to require time to research/meditate to understand how to wield their powers. - Magic allows mathematical and scientific impossibilities: Buildings where there is not space to put them, technological exclusion zones. - Star Wars Tech is essentially muggle tech. Imperials are essentially muggles. - Wizards can make areas where muggle tech doesn't work. (Depending on how this works, Vader's lightsaber and suit likely become nothing but dead weight.) Some questions which need answered to figure out how the fight would go: - What can Voldemort do without his wand? He clearly isn't helpless since the wand is merely a focus item . . . but he's not nearly as powerful, either. - Does magic allow a user to disapparate at will and escape force activities (push, pull, choke)? If so, this becomes a reasonably even fight. - Does magic counter Imperial technology? If the fight occurs in an area where "Muggle technology" such as Vader's suit don't function, Vader's in trouble. If this extends to Vader's saber not working, he's in a *LOT* of trouble. - Can a lightsaber block magic? Most people seem to assume that it can because it can block practically anything in the Star Wars universe . . . but I don't know if that's a safe assumption. If it can, then Voldemort is in a world of hurt. If not, Vader *MUST* break the wand immediately. I think this fight boils down to "Who can eliminate the others' advantages first?" Here's how I see this fight going down: Volde is playing defense because he values his own life above all else, while Vader is well known for going on the offensive. Vader finds the secret keeper for Voldemort's lair, and forces the location of the lair from him. Vader then proceeds to the lair, only for his saber and suit to immediately malfunction upon entering. Voldemort's home is protected by a muggle tech exclusion zone. Volde, now alert to the attack goes to investigate. Vader, prone and unable to breathe in his malfunctioning suit, force pulls himself outside to relative safety. Once outside, the suit and lightsaber immediately resume normal functioning. Voldemort apparates behind Vader while Vader is not yet fully recovered. Wanting the invader to suffer he shouts "Crucio!" The beam of light hits Vader in the back. Vader is in a world of debilitating pain and suffering. Unfortunately for Voldemort, this has the opposite effect Voldemort intends. Vader is both used to pain, and uses it to power his rage. Vader fights through the pain and tries to block it with his saber, but unlike anything he's used to, the saber fails to block the magical stream. Voldemort laughs at his pathetic victim. "You are pathetic! Your power is useless against me!" Wanting to end the pain, Vader uses The Force to snap the wand. Fortunately for Voldemort, he's begun keeping a spare wand in his pocket. Before Tom can pull it out, Vader begins to Force Choke him. Voldemort puts his hand in his pocket, grabs the spare, and immediately disapparates back into his lair. Vader, knowing he is at a severe disadvantage inside the lair, chooses not to follow. Instead, he summons a transport from his ship. He orders the ship to bombard the lair from orbit, only for the gunner to inform him that there is no such location. Fortunately for Vader, he has kept his informant (Voldemort's secret keeper) alive for further questioning. Upon being mocked by the secret keeper, Vader flies into a rage, and kills him. "Lord Vader! We don't know what happened, but the location wasn't there a moment ago, but we can see it now!" "Excellent. Fire." Voldemort's Lair is engulfed in death from above, yet he does not die. He has made himself immune to heat and used his magic to create a wall of force around himself, but many of his enchantments were destroyed in the blast. Tom flees to one of his secondary bases. Sensing this, Vader returns to the planet. Finding the new secret keeper, he saves time by killing her immediately. Riddle, not knowing the secret keeper has died, stays in his lair. Vader blasts it from space. Again, Riddle survives, but not realizing there was an imminent threat, he was less prepared, and severely weakened. Vader, finds his quarry, and begins by using the force to snap his wands and force Riddle's hands away from his pockets. "You were more powerful than I expected. Still, it is time for you to die." Riddle unable to focus and deprived of magical defenses, is cut in half by a lightsaber.
I also think that one cannot so easily dismiss Magic. The most straight forward point is the prophacy. If the prophacy is true, then Vader does not have the power to defeat Voldemort. Period. But let's keep the prophacy out of it. The magic systems are so different that they are hard to compare. So let's assume that magic and force are equally powerful entities. Also what I would adress is usuing force to break a wand. I don't think it is that easy. I believe there is no really satisfying explanation why force users don't break or disable each others lightsaber. So let's assume that you can use the force in some way to protect a lightsaber from manipulation by the force. I would claim that the same principle applies to a wand as well. A wizard has a string connection to their wand, while he is holding it, so he would feel an attempt to break the wand with the force. Since I assume magic is equally powerful as the force, a strong wizard could definitely protect his wand in a similar way as a Jedi protects his lightsaber. So here is what I think about your questions: What can Voldemort do without his wand? This question becomes much less relevant if we assume that he can protect his wand. Still I think he cannot do much. Even though magic can be wielded without a wand, it would be either much less powerful, or much less controllable. So Voldemort might be able to cast simple spells without a wand and also be able to blow up everything around him, but not focus a powerful blast against a specific target. Does magic allow a user to disapparate at will and escape force activities (push, pull, choke)? Apparition definitely requires a rotational movement. So if you are prevented from turning you cannot disapparate, apart from that I do not see a reason why you couldn't. Does magic counter Imperial technology? Would agree here, imperial tech is just muggle tech. But in a hypothetic battle I would not give anyone a defensive advantage by setting up protective spells and it is not Voldemorts style either. Can a lightsaber block magic? I would say it can block any spell that can be blocked by a wand as well. So depends on the power of the spell. Unforgivable curses definitely not, I would say. Same goes for magic blocking a lightsaber. A powerful magic shield could withstand a lightsaber for at least some time. And by the way, Avada Kedavra needing to connect to flesh makes no sense at all. Maybe Vaders armor is string enough to take one blow of it, but it would probably stop working. So when Voldemort casts Avada Kedavra, Vader tries to block it, fails and it hits his armor which stops functioning. In this weakened sate Vader will go on to lose the fight relatively quickly.
@@jakobm.4183 I disagree with the assumption about wands being resistant to breaking because of how Ron's breaks, and now Harry breaks the elder wand . . . but I think your analysis is much better than the vast majority of what I see here. Well thought out. :)
@@jakobm.4183 About wandless magic: there's an answer for this in the lore. The ability to use magic without a wand is a hard discipline to learn. But it's still possible. With practice and skill basically every spell is possible to cast without any loss in power. There are entire schools like the one in Africa where wandless magic is a primary discipline while the use of wands is optional. But since wands make it much more convenient, a lot of people still prefer using them. But guys like Dumbledore, Grindelwald or Voldemort showed that they can cast even super complex spells without a wand. For example, Dumbledore used nonverbal wandless transfiguration (the hardest branch of wandless magic) on Slytherin flags and turned them into Gryffindor ones with a clap of his hands. Or created an entire mirror dimension to fight Creedence. Grindelwald used telekinesis just like force users do to disarm and lift multiple people at once or throw cars for examle. Voldemort deflected Harry's spell with a hand gesture, used legilimency, telekinesis, unsupported flight (big deal in the books, this was considered to be impossible so i think it counts as a high level magic) and other things. Even Quirrell who according to Snape was a mediocre wizard, used transfiguration with a snap of his fingers. So even if Voldemort loses his wand, he won't be powerless
@@JoeLandrigan I did not mean that wands are resistant to breaking, they clearly are not. However, I think that a powerful wizard could protect his wand against force attacks using magic.
alot of people are saying that vader would snap voldy's wand in half, but considering that would be pretty against the unspoken rules of chivalrous lightsaber battles where duelists never use cheap tactics like switching their lightsaber on and off or stealing the other duelist lightsaber i think darth vader wouldn't even think about snapping wands as a tactic.
That’s actually only true with certain opponents.The main reason that doesn’t happen is because all force users have a force shield that protects them from force based attacks of from someone with a similar level of power. That’s why lightsabers are used when fighting force users. That being said, Vader is able to shatter the force shield of almost anyone, although half the time he doesn’t even bother
Lets be honest, in the end voldemort will always whin, since he gets more than just one attempt. First try he'll die of course, then he will inevitably come back to try again. But this time he knows what he's getting himself into. So know he just apparates to vaders Ship, uses fierce fire (which is uncontrollable even to most wizards) then voldi disapparates to space (of course protecting himself with an adapted head bubble charm) then watching vaders Ship go out in flames, wich ONLY Voldi would be able to stop. Even if vader wouldn't die, he would drifting through space, surrounded by sentient flames, that will destroy any vessel that tries to save vader... You dont have to be more powerful, if you are able to respawn.
There is the fact that Vader has a possibility of containing the flames until they die out. Even if they don't die out due to lack of oxygen, the magic would only be able to sustain them for so long. Then if Voldemort dies again, he has a limited time until he can't respawn as Vader would start to investigate to find out how he was able to come back.
The fuck do you mean it's gonna take him fuckin what ? 20 years to respawn in that time Vader will already be dead and if we are wanna talk power and respawns the deathstar will obliterate everything on earth including the horcruxes and that's assuming Vader can't sense the horcruxes through the force if that's possible which since both worlds seem to be able to interact in this particular scenario is something I think is likely
I know the star wars fan base has a lot of debates and arguments but literally everyone would agree that Anakin was not the strongest Jedi. He has the highest midichlorian level (Luke and Leia might have more) which means he had the highest potential. Also he wasn't at the peak of his power at that time, it's just that's where his power was cut short. If Anakin were have to been in a fight against an older version of himself he would likely have lost
I was thinking that too. Obiwan beat him like a red haired stepchild, and HE was not the most gifted jedi Master on the council in either force power or lightsaber forms.
@lesigh1749 Yeah, both Mace and Yoda would've whooped him. Obi wan was probably the third strongest on the Council in all fairness. Though, Obi wan vs Mace is debatable, imo since Obi doesn't use dark side and so Mace wouldn't actually be that powered up. Attack of the clones Obi is also way weaker than ROTS Obi, before anyone says how Mace dealt with Jango vs Obi wan. Mace would still whoop Anakin because of his Vapaad though.
If Voldemort hits Vader with nonverbal AK it’s over. He can also teleport. Protego may be able to block any physical force attacks like force choke. Vader obviously can’t be disarmed as he’ll always have the force. All he has to do is crush Voldemorts throat with the force or something if he can get through protego. Vader can’t block spells and will suffer full effects of any spells he’s hit with, magic may be able to block the force I’d say it’s 50/50. If you think about it in greater detail you see it’s not as cut and dry. It boils down to whether physical force attacks can be blocked with protego. It wouldn’t make sense for the force to be able to block spells. If protego blocks the force and Voldemort uses it Vader died from AK. If it doesn’t, it’s 50/50 whoever acts first.
Except as others have pointed out in the comments vader has foresight of what his enemy will do before they act which will let him see it coming. Also avada kedavra is a light beam the same way a blaster bolt is and it’s probable that it travels maximum the same speed as blaster bolts which vader blocks with ease regularly in the show so he wouldn’t need the force for that. Also force attacks aren’t physical attacks they work by utilizing the force around the target which assuming that the force exists where they’re fighting (you would have to assume so because you’d also have to assume that magic is around for voldermort to use) vader can just use the force that surrounds voldermort to destroy him. Magic in the harry potter verse doesn’t work the same way as magic comes from within. The reason that voldermort can’t protect against the force is because only force users can by putting up a ”force field” around themselves to protect against enemy attacks. In short Voldermort gets absolutely destroyed in basicaly every conceivable situation.
I think to be honest, this is a fight that is just impossible to say which one would win, because you are talking about two fictional beings that use powers completely asymmetric to each other, it's almost like superman v Voldemort, so whilst its fun to imagine it's not even a thing
Vader can sense the presence of anyone with power which means Vader would have the surprise advantage and first attack. Vader could blow up the planet where Voldermort resides. Vader could choke Voldermort using the force from a long range camera view. Voldemort would quickly be crippled and imprisoned by Vader and that's if Vader was feeling generous.
@@elmercy4968 Voldermort can't even win a fight against teenagers with less experience of similar abilities whereas Darth Vader eliminates many powerful enemies from many different galaxies. The equivalent of a butterfly (Voldermort ) trying to fight an eagle (Darth Vader).
If anyone thinks Voldemort will win is crazy. Whatever Voldemort decides to dish out Darth Vader is already able to counter before he thinks of doing something. This fight isn’t close, it’s like putting a spider vs a lion.
The winner is whoever takes the more aggressive move first. Who realizes the threat across from them first and decides not to toy with their food? Voldy has an unblockable instakill up his sleeve, but he still has to be able to cast it, which Vader can easily prevent with a force choke.
There's also one thing that would work against Voldemort in this match up. He's afraid of death, in Rebels, Kanan and Ezra feel a cold whenever Vader is around, and cold is typically associated with things like death. To Voldi, Vader is practically death itself as a living man.
@@gardoc1669 Vader gives off a feeling of cold, just when he's in the room. Freezing water looks cool, but automatically sending literal shivers down someone's spine the second you step into the same room is a lot more frightening.
@@Scar-Predator They both are scary. But in different ways. Vader is like a terminator who walks menacingly and slowly but never stops before completing his mission and dementors are more like the wild, supernatural, dark, demonical creatures that will drain every last drop of your soul giving you a fate worse than death
Voldemort, quite frankly, is one of the weakest, most pathetic Dark Lords EVER. Vader, Sidious, Sauron, Morgoth, Ganondorf, Dracula, all of these other Dark Lords easily outclass Voldemort in every category, from personal powers and abilities to the scopes of their armies and influence. Voldy WISHES he was in their league.
ganadwarf has lost so many times that he was being called out tor losing in wind waker… he is basically a punching bag… dracula manages to lose to an ordnary human… souron bring stupid enough to forge his power into a ring… why though..
I don't know about what you said about Avada Kedavra not working on Vader. Most of the time it hits clothing, sometimes very thick, and still does its job. That said, Vader is fast enough to simply dodge it. You still got the right conclusion.
@@Quantum_Magnus yes, I know that. As a child, me and many others didn't know any better and called 'em at at's. There was even a toy commercial that said it that way. Just sayin'
Vader cant live without his suit, voldemort just simply uses accio helmet from across the galaxy and vader suffocates to death. Even if we’re assuming they’re in the same place, and vader just force chokes voldemort killing him. Voldemorts horcruxes keep him alive, and he goes into that vapor/misty state that he was in during the first 3 books & possesses vader and makes him stab himself in the heart with the lightsaber. Also who said anything about all spells being visual bolts? Something like impedimenta doesnt have bolts that he can deflect. Even if voldemort has no wand and cant speak, levicorpus solos vader. Nobody has magic and therefore cannot do the countercurse. He’s just left there hanging upside down until his blood cant leave his brain. Like you said voldemort is more versatile. I think this versatility gives him too many ways to target weak spots.
@@elmercy4968 yeah, it's obvious most of them didn't read the HP books. Voldemort excellence is persuasion and moving on the shadows. Also, they're talking like he could die by choking 😂
I’m seeing some very misinformed comments saying Avada Kadavera could break the lightsaber if it tried to block. Based on what evidence? Lightsabers can reflect Turbolasers seen on AT-ATs. Luke once hijacked an AT-AT and tried using its guns on Vader. Didn’t work. The only confirmed things capable of shattering a lightsaber blade are pure cortosis and other lightsaber blades made from Synthetic crystals. Voldemort has neither. Remember the duel with dumbledore in the books, small statues shattered but most of the time it harmlessly bounced off solid objects. When lightning bolts hit statues, they tend to explode. A lightsaber can handle lightning bolts just fine, so it absolutely can take an avada kadavera. But even if it could, Vader is not out of the fight. Destroy voledemort’a wand and 90% of his abilities are gone.
In case of avada kedavra it's just the way it works. Like the death note but concentrated into a beam. It ignores any durability and kills you like a console command in a game. It always kills whatever it hits (unless you're in a very specific circumstances like Harry was). But if the target can't die because it's inanimate it simply destroys. Like the statues you mentioned that shattered into thousand pieces. Like the table that was incinerated upon the contact. As you see, for different types of objects different types of damage were done depending on the most effective way to destroy it. And even if lightsaber is somehow capable of surviving this, there're lots of other spells that 100% ignore the durability. Like transfiguration that can turn lightsaber into a banana. Or evanesco that erases the object from existence. It's even possible to enchant the lightsaber to attack it's owner like Grindelwald once did to aurors' wands. Combining this with the multiplying charm and you have an army of flying laser swords attacking Vader. And about "Destroy voledemort’a wand and 90% of his abilities are gone" - this is not true. Voldemort is a master of wandless magic. He can do a lot of stuff even without a wand
@@gardoc1669 here is the key thing though, it would have to hit the hilt, not the blade, and no force user is going to use the hilt of the saber to block. The blade is just pure energy, Avada Kedavara isn't doing anything to the blade. And on top of that, Vader has precog, meaning he can see attacks before they are coming, its a basic force user ability that even untrained force users have shown some capability in. Meaning vader could very easily rip Voldy's wand away before he even has a chance to use a spell, then force choke him before he has a chance to use wandless magic. Vader stomps because of how OP force precog is.
@@ryuukeisscifiproductions1818 As i said, if avada kedavra touches something that means the object will be destroyed one way or another. It's hard to say what will happen, maybe the blade will disappear like from cortosis weapons, maybe the whole saber will explode but it will be destroyed anyways. And like i said even if we forget about avada kedavra there are dozens of ways to get rid of the lightsaber. Voldemort can literally just snap his fingers and turn it into a stick without his wand or any projectiles to dodge or block. And yes, precognition is strong but not op. Force users were caught off guard many times. Vader might have "a bad feeling about this", feel some disturbances in the Force and sense the oncoming danger but he won't be able to identify the exact effect from each spell and how to counter it correctly. It's not an omniscience. Mace Windu wasn't able to predict that Anakin was about to betray him. The whole Jedi order wasn't able to predict the order 66 etc. Even Anakin himself wasn't able to predict that Obi Wan is trying to bait him into jumping to cut off his limbs. So i doubt that Vader will be prepared for every single spell Voldemort has especially because this is something completely new and unexpected for him
Man, I'm not gonna get too deep into this because I really don't have a dog in this argument either way, but I JUST need to tell you, you have a VERY... "basic, rudimentary" idea of how the Unforgivable Curses work. Chiefly referring to "Crucio," or the "Cruciatus Curse," and Avadakedavra. The Cruciatus is more than just the biological-level of pain that Vader would feel from his wounds, it's deliberately crafted as a Spell to make you feel, "Pain beyond imagining," but also to prevent you from blacking out, which would be the mind's natural defense-mechanism from pain overload. And 2, the whole, "Avadakedavra needs to connect with flesh to work." No... No it doesn't. If you're wearing a suit of armor, or a kevlar vest, or you ductape a bunch of phone-books to your body, it doesn't matter. It's no different than getting struck by lightning while wearing a kevlar vest. If the spell hits whatever is on you, it goes THROUGH that and it severs your soul from your body without causing any physical damage. It just KILLS. It IS "deaths touch" in spell-form. Vader wearing his machine-suit or mechanical body-parts of any kind would not make a difference. Other than that, interesting video.
Yes! I thought the exact same thing, especially about Crucio. It would definitely not just feel "like a tickle" to Vader. Vader would probably still withstand it through sheer willpower, but it would hurt him a lot, just like it does for everyone else. I'm not saying Voldemort would win, but pretending he could do nothing to Vader is also wrong.
Yea until Vader snaps his neck it would literally take him 2 seconds in rogue one he broke a rebels neck easily with the force and he can do that much faster then Voldemort can mutter Avada Kedavra and even if he did Vader would just block it
@@xXImikoXx spells are tangible objects Vader deflects tangible lasers either his light saber all the time it was get deflected or absorbed easily also Vader doesn’t need to speak or make any gestures like Voldemort would have to do Voldemort would just be choked
Major W for Danco!!!! If you’re coming to the comments to say Voldemort wins you’re insane. Vader can see the future during battles and would predict his every move before he makes it, not that he’d make any moves because Vader starts this fight with a force choke immediately and kills him off rip. Only way to stop from being rag dolled with the force is to also be an equal or close force user and be protect yourself with your invisible force barrier
I agree with your conclusion, that Vader beats Voldemort fairly easily, but I'm not sure I agree with your reasoning. You seemed to assume that Vader would shrug off the killing curse, but I don't remember any instance of the killing curse being blocked by armor or of wizards even trying to use armor against the killing curse (and it's not like they didn't have it, Hogwarts had suits of armor all over the place that were used purely decoratively). Dragons and giants were stated to resist curses because of inherent magic resistance and I don't think we can assume that force resistance equates to magic resistance at all. Meanwhile, you gave Voldemort the advantage in range, but Vader has used his powers across interplanetary distances before. I think Vader wins because he's faster, has better sensory abilities and doesn't need a wand to cast. He'd be smart enough to not try to tank a bolt of strange green energy if he didn't have to. Voldemort's ability to combat teleport might give him some trouble, but not enough that Voldy stands a real chance imo.
Vader uses the Force to brake the Wand then there's nothing Voldemort can do so Vader just force chokes him to death or chops him with his lightsaber easy win for Vader and anything Voldemort shoots at Vader can just be force pushed back and make Voldemort hit himself
Though voldemort can apparate around, which could give him an advantage and he can use the disintegration curse that Molly Weasly used against Bellatrix lestrange, which could destroy biology and technology.
He only unleashed his full power once and that was on Mortis when he brought down the daughter of light and son of darkness to their knees, something that only the chosen one with power beyond anyone else in the galaxy could do. Bro was unfortunately far away from reaching his full potential, but when needed, he could unleash it in seconds. It's so messed up that he could never train to truly become the chosen one. The council really did hold him back.
@@Deyone_Jackson did the council held him back or did their knowledge and capacities to train him to his full potential weren't as complete. if your teacher give you everything he knew you can't blame him for retaining knowledge he doesn't hold.
No spell, is getting through Vader's force shield (it's cannon, which is why one force user can't force choke another in the middle of a fight, both parties have their force shield at full strength while fighting) No way Voldemort's lightning is even a FIFTH as strong as Palpatine's force lightning and would easily be deflected/absorbed by Vader's saber Darth Vader's hatred isn't entirely his own, it's him channelling the dark side of the force and using his emotions to fuel him in a very different way than a non force sensitive. Every negative emotion Vader has allows him a greater connection to and in turn a greater way to channel the Dark side of the force. Voldemort's evil is his own, that of a human being. As far as I know, magic isn't an all binding force that flows through us all, but even if it were, or even you could equate all of Voldemort's magic affinity, to Vader's force affinity, it's NO CONTEST. Vader doesn't smile, Vader doesn't laugh, when he cracks jokes, it's to make him FEAR you, not to make either one of you laugh, He doesn't experience ANY positive emotion, EVER. The ONLY TIME We have EVER seen Darth Vader even RESEMBLE any sort of happiness was with his fight with Obi wan during the Kenobi TV show, and the ONLY reason is he smiling, is because he is about to commit murder and revenge. It was a fleeting moment of not joy, but accomplishment, as he was standing in front of his old Jedi master with the dark side RAGING throughout every body part he had left. Voldemort has been known to smile, laugh has emotions aside from anger and hate, and is just an all around inferior combatant to any dark side user, let alone Darth Vader. That Vader doesn't count anyway, as he's not the Vader that George Lucas Envisioned, even though they are both the same in terms of power if you aren't accounting for EU Vader, who is even stronger than either of the other two vaders. Vader could force choke Voldemort before he even walked into the arena lmao
@@Richtofen-gy9cj Vaders SUIT, not his body. Jedi, Sth AND vader himself (if you are including the EU) have been known to deflect force lighting with their saber. His suit was built to be sensitive to PALPATINE'S force lightning, which had surpassed lightning and become sith storm, in every continuity. Even Dooku level force lightning would be nothing for vader, as long as he had his saber, and even so he can use the force to deflect it before it gets to him. I literally addressed this. Don't reply to a comment when you haven't read it, no matter how long it may be.
Considering that lightning attacks and even the unforgivable killing curse green bolt can be blocked by objects or dodged make them ineffective against a fully powered Darth Vader with telekineses and his lightsaber being guided to superhuman lvls by the force.
That was because of the connection between Voldemort and Harry. and the wands were brothers (had feathers as cores from the same phoenix). So that was a very special situation and not the norm.
@@waldimort453 And the second time it happened, Voldemort was using Lucius' wand, and Harry's had absorbed a lot of power from Voldemort's one in the end of Book 4. The third and final time they fought, Voldy was using the Elder Wand whose true owner was Harry, and thus AV wouldn't work correctly against Harry - the wand could not be made to fatally attack its own master. In each case, very particular magic was involved that got around the AV being "unblockable".
@@redfaux74Not really, Disney wrote Star Wars in a way that is easy for children to understand. They really advertise it and tailor their products to children. Of course there are dark and deep corners in Star Wars that are more for adults, but you usually have to look at comics and similar media that are not so popular and even there a lot of it is suitable for children. and Harry Potter also has enough deep and dark moments, it's just not that big of a franchise in terms of material so you probably don't see it as well. What's particularly well done is that it becomes more and more adult the closer you get to the end, which is well done. Apart from that, I honestly don't know what it has to do with the discussion Voldemort vs Darth Vader as to whether a franchise was produced more for younger or older people.
Vader was also an expert at the Force Technique, Force Absorb. It allows him to absorb energy, or elemental attacks, and be used to refuel their own energies.
@@fisheaterTed There are many force empowered weapons and artifacts in star wars, as well as creatures that are basically the basilisk in star wars. Furthermore Im sure that if you chucked it into a black hole, if it does not destroy them for what ever reason. Then voldemort would be trapped eternally in that thing. And that is assuming the force won't work or sith alchemy.
A lot of people out here sleeping on Voldemort. As a serious fan of both Star Wars and Harry Potter.. I don’t know how yall are glazing Vader so hard in this battle. Yes.. Vader can force choke from range.. but Voldemort can break Vader’s mind with Occlumency from anywhere as well. Vader can move things with the force, grab voldermort’s wand for example, but.. Voldemort can do the same with magic.. and he doesn’t require a wand for magic either.. in the books it is stated he had become proficient at wandless magic. What it really comes down to for me.. is Voldermort could use a singular spell to end Vader instantly.. and no.. Vader could not block Avada Kedavra with a lightsaber.. it is an unblockable spell with the exception of Lily’s sacrifice of love.. something Vader could not do.. Vader might dodge the spell a couple times.. but eventually.. he’ll get tagged. Just one singular spell and Vader is done.. And Vader would be required to hunt down and destroy 7 different horcruxes before even attempting to take on Voldermort.. even if Vader literally destroyed voldermorts body.. broke his wind pipe, cut him in half.. cut him into small pieces even.. eventually Cildermort comes back and hunts him down unless Vader hunts down the horcruxes.. and that’s assuming he even has access to that sort of info.. I just don’t see a plausible way Vader wins in the long run.. And he would be lucky just to win in a singular duel..
First thing, the matchup is dependent on how the force and magic interact. To make the matchup fair, they'd need to be able to block each other. With that assumption, I think Vader would have the edge in a fight, but Voldemort's Horcruxes would give him multiple chances. So while Voldemort might not win the first fight, he would eventually be able to get his revenge (most likely). But there's no telling how a combat will go - a stronger fighter can lose to a weaker one.
Yah, the horcruxes turn what could be a simple one on one into something much more involved. You'd have to find all six of then and destroy them. That and they're rather resilient. As for "blasters use plasma, plasma hot!" There are different kinds of resilience, and it'd be a toss up whether the technology of blasters actually worked or not. Just because something is tough or destructive in its own universe doesn't mean it would destroy/ survive a different universe's material/process. Which fans always seem to forget.
@@adams13245 Actually in star wars it might be easier to destroy the horcruxes than in harry potter. with the force vader could sense the bits of voldermorts soul, then used sith alchemy if his saber did not work, a turbo laser did not work, and failing that chuck it into a black hole.
@@MyAramilhorcruxs are only capable of being harmed by few substances and they are enchanted to be indestructible otherwise. Without those specific hp magics, there's no way for them to even harm it.
it’s the same curbstomp except this time ozai is taking the L, sozin’s comet makes a difference but I feel he would die either way as he has no way to defend against magic attacks
I like the people that have takes where it isn't an easy answer. Because, let's be honest, it isn't. One thing I don't like is the whole thing of being accused of being a fan boy, if you favor one possible outcome. Like the people trying to cope by saying that people who think Vader would win are just fanboys, regardless of their arguments. I think this gets complex depending on how powers interact. Like, what does casting a spell look like to a Force user? I'd argue that it would be a pretty major disturbance in the Force, and thus if they weren't careful, a wizard would be telegraphing their moves months in advance. Another argument is blood magic, or Accio. I don't know how long a range Accio has, but I don't think it would be that far. But given how it's not used for certain things, that implies that there are limits besides range. So, I don't think Voldemort could just Accio Vader's helmet. Another wrinkle is the whole casting spells. Can that be deflected? Is there a type of vector that magic travels through, and if so, what is it? It seems like most kinds of offensive spells require line of sight, so that is something to consider. Another variable is how much prep time is allowed, and how the fight occurs. If it's a sudden chance meeting that turns into a fight, Voldemort then has a chance of winning. It's small, but it is there. Surprising an opponent with abilities outside of their normal context can be devastating, but this applies both ways. This applies to any fighter, which is why the best ones have their guard up at all times. Along this vein, I have seen some What If... fanart for an ILM contest that shows Vader being offed by a random rebel soldier who presumably bum rushed him and managed to land a lucky hit. This is something that can happen to anybody or anything in a fight. For example, the torpedo hit that crippled the Bismarck during WW2. A lucky hit in just the right spot at just the right time. So, from that standpoint, Voldemort has a very small chance. But it would be an insane stroke of luck. However, if there is time to do research, Voldemort is screwed. Vader has many more avenues to figure out things about Voldemort, but the reverse does not apply. And than there is the issue of skill and experience. Voldemort is more of a terrorist or a serial killer. Vader has proven himself to be a one man army at his best. This is something that comes up frequently in Death Battle!, a channel dedicated to exactly these sorts of matchups. What you have are cases where one opponent is the most powerful in their respective setting, who might not have had to push themselves that hard in a fight because they can overwhelm pretty much anyone in the setting. And then you have them face off against an opponent who has had to fight several other characters who are at or maybe even above their power level. A perfect example of this is the fight between Omni-Man and Homelander. Spoilers ahead, for that Death Battle! episode, Invincible, and The Boys. Stop reading now if you don't want spoilers. Homelander is the most powerful super in the world of The Boys, and so he can stomp pretty much anyone, which leaves him lacking in skills in fighting someone even at his level. Omni-Man, on the other hand, is a Viltrumite, and comes from a planet where everyone is as strong as he is. Even better, Viltrumite society is very much survival of the fittest, dog eat dog brutality. So, not only do you have to be strong, you have to be smart and skilled in order to survive. And you'd be constantly fighting other people who have your level of powers, so you can't expect to just tank things. And then there is the experience. On top of all that, Omni-Man has been conquering planets for possibly thousands of years. He's had all kinds of things thrown at him, and come out on top. So, on top of having much higher levels of power, Omni-Man knows how to use it. Which he does, effortlessly stomping Homelander. Darth Vader is the same way. As Anakin, he was trained by the Jedi since he was nine years old. He fought through the Clone Wars, on the front lines. And then he served as Palpatine's attack dog for almost 20 years, facing off against everything from rebels to bounty hunters to Imperial super soldier experiments to fugitive Jedi. He has had to do much more than Voldemort ever did, which gives him far more experience. This doesn't guarantee a win, but it is a massive advantage. The only way for Voldemort to win is to get insanely lucky, but that isn't likely, given that Underdog Luck™ doesn't usually apply to villains. But, that's why I think Vader would win. Of course, if Vader was not in the mood to get his hands dirty, he could simply target the Riddle mansion with a turbolaser from the Executor, and turn it into a glassed crater. No more Lord Doltmover, no more Death Eaters. Things get a lot easier when your personal ship is a 19 kilometer long arrowhead composed of pure Tarkin Doctrine.
I believe the best way to sum this up was a meme I saw:
Darth Vader ruled an entire galaxy
Voldemort couldnt even take over a high school
But both of these statements aren't true, you know
@@gardoc1669 Im fully aware of that, the meme im referencing is meant to oversimplify the massive gap between Vader and Voldemort
No Vader was the slave of a man that ruled the galaxy.
Which school was that cause last I remember Hogwarts was under his control 😊
@@BattleshipAgincourt I just said I am aware that the meme Im referencing was not a hundred percent accurate, I was just explaining the power gap between Vader and Voldemort
Voldemort: “You will lose everything.”
Darth Vader: “You don’t know the power of the Dark Side.”
Darth Vader: "I already did."
@@lucifermorningstar4500 thats deep but true
Darth Vader: “ I will gain much watching you die”
"I already have, now you will feel the power of the darkside and then you will die!"
@@lucifermorningstar4500
Voldemort: "I AM the darkness."
I'd rather see Count Dooku vs Voldemort in a Chess match. The gentlemanly insults and comebacks would be one for the ages.
Good sir you win the Internet for today IMO
@@darklighter8968prepare the certificate of internet champion for this man
@@darklighter8968Why do people say this? It sounds like the most redditor expression ever.
@@darthbane5357it has history to it, it's been around forever it'd be more cringe to let it die just bc it "sounds" like something cringe from reddit
@@zaaya7719no it wouldn’t, it would be justified, sometimes things need to die
Voldemort does not have longer range. Vader does not even have to be on the same planet to Force choke.
Literally force choked a dude solar systems away while on facetime lmfao
As long as Vader knows exactly where someone is or can see them in any way, he can Force choke them.
@@niteshadeshimonzu3305 IKR. He forced choked him on the Zoom.
Wrong kind of “range”
@@TrueMohax There is only one kind of "range" being discussed here. Who can attack from farther away. And noseless loses by a long shot.
"All i am surrounded by is fear.. And dead men"🥶
-Darth Vader
*Proceeds to completely OBLITERATE an entire armored battalion, several attack squads and bomber wing without even breathing hard*
@@linda-0587 Epic
@@linda-0587 Awesomely terrifying display of his power.
Ooohhh... That's deep
@@linda-0587And what makes it more impressive is that Vader at that point was mentally hindered and suicidal which is confirmed to have affected his capabilities greatly.
Kind of hard to speak the casting spells when getting forced choked.
Voldemort is likely skilled enough to cast it without speaking, not that it would help him much.
yeah, that was my thought. can't speak. having your wand "forced" our of your hand, or snapped in half... the only way oldie gone Voldie might possibly win is a sneak attack while Vader is asleep. and maybe even then the force would pre-cog it.
and we watched Luke crush those death robo troopers (whatever they are called) when rescuing Baby yoda.... I'm sure Vader could squish Voldy like that
@@Teddy-tx7wb The problem would be, vader likely only sleeps in his specialized chambers, constantly moving through space. Voldemort wouldn't know where that is and if he did it would be hard and dangerous to teleport to it due to the constant difference in distance and speed. If he were to do it from a planet he might also be stunned due to immediate changes in pressure and oxygen level. If he were to do that in vader's chamber, he might sense him. If voldemort somehow gets himself a spaceship and tracks the location of vader, he would also need to know where he exactly is, if he were to raid the ship then he would likely be spotted. Assuming that the troopers do their job they either shoot him on sight or hold him at gunpoint at which they would shoot him if he tried casting a spell from either speaking or moving his wand. If they have their popularized aim then they would likely wake vader up or vader would wake up sensing what's happening.
Oh, and if he were to enter with death eaters they would be guarenteed to be spotted at which point it will likely immediately go to vader waking or being woken up.
@@CommanderOfPigeons no disagreement.
@@Teddy-tx7wb I'm glad.
"Lord Vader, we've pinpointed the disturbance you spoke of on the small planet below. Shall I ready your shuttle?"
"No. Commence planetary bombardment. I have other concerns."
Bro....quite the underrated comment here! I mean seriously, the levels are just dumb here.
Fire the DS1 Orbital Battle Station!
“I find your lack of faith disturbing”
Devastator Captain: "Lord Vader, we've pinpointed the disturbance you spoke of on the small planet below. Shall I ready your shuttle?"
Darth Vader: "No. Commence planetary bombardment. I have other concerns."
Devastator Captain: "PREPARE FOR BASE DELTA ZERO!!!!! confirm with High Command that we are free to commence with base delta zero."
Communications Officer: High Command has allowed the use of Base Delta Zero.
all that is left of earth is the howling sounds of the devastators plasma blasts turning all life and buildings into molten slag, leaving earth a lifeless husk of a world.
Base Delta Zero for those that dont know is the command that allows a fleet commander to turn Alderaan into the asteroids it became only they usuallya re barren husks with no life on it not asteroids. it was not a command freely used and in fact in order for it to be allowed, High Command on Coruscant had to be informed and only once High command had signed off could it even be commenced such was the severity of the act as often a Base Delta Zero on inhabited worlds would lead to a rise in potential rebellions......... ok perhaps someone should have informed that BDZ'ing Alderaan was a bad idea to Tarkin.
Funnily enough, depending on what point in Vader's life this is, he might actually have a vested interest in personally checking out HP Earth just to make sure their magic isn't powered by some sort of Jedi/Sith artifact he can use to one-up his master. 💀
Voldemort: "AVAD-" *getting force choked*
Vader: "Do not scream"
Voldemort: *starts casting avada kedavra without speaking*
Vader: *already took his wand*
@@CommanderOfPigeons but they can't use the Curses without casting, right?
@@RafaelSantos-cm9xy In Harry Potter if ur skilled enough u can cast spells without speaking them. If there was something that didn't let u do so for curses I would believe it would be mentioned in the book. And the forbidden spells aren't different from curses except for being lawfully forbidden. I could be wrong ofcourse at which I would like to be corrected.
@@CommanderOfPigeons it's true that nonverbal, wandless and non verbal wandless magic exists but it's really only something that exists consistently in non-european cultures (aka people like Native americans, african witches/wizards, etc) and we are never even hinted at the idea that even someone like Voldemort was able to do so and cast high level spells/curses at full power.
Ultimately when it came down to it, characters like Dumbledore and even Voldemort himself chose to use their wands when performing their most powerful spells. Voldemort went out of his way to try obtaining the Elder Wand precisely because wands DID make a huge difference.
@@Shoddragon I was talking about nonverbal magic that did use wands, unless u made an error, I was not aware that there was use of magic that didn't involve wands. Although I do think I agree with the part where voldemort might not be skilled enough to cast avada kedavra without speaking. Also, where do u get the part that nonverbal wandless magic only consistently in non-Europian cultures?
Vader: "Horcruxes? Funny that, I have been sensing your presence in the Force in about half a dozen places ever since I came to this planet. Might as well go take a look.
**Breaks Voldemort's wand with the Force, grabs him by the neck and goes for a stroll.**
xd yeah, after all vader could sense the whole Galaxy, and the same sidious
No tf who said that he can sense that shit real wishful thinking
@@rubendimov1449 Jedi and sith sense disturbances in the Force. This could be due to tramatic events, the precence of the dark side, other people, etc. It isn't much of a stretch to assume it would work on the Horcruxes since they have parts of Voldemort's soul in them. It hasn't been well established, I don't think, if they can directly sense souls in Star Wars, but it is quite likely they can when it comes to things like the precence of Force ghosts (and I do think Yoda could sense that ancient sith spirit in the Clone Wars, but it has been a while so I don't remember).
Assuming the Force works in the universe they are in, I see no reason why sensing the Horcruxes wouldn't be possible, maybe even easy, since the Force has been shown very capable of sensing evil presences and items (like sith artifacts) in particular. I think it is more appropriate to say it is wishful thinking that Vader wouldn't be able to sense them.
Since the Force is explicitly stated to be an energy field that binds everything, especially the living and spiritual, in the universe together, I really see no reason it wouldn't work with evil soul items.
@@RuyVuusen There are several problems with this:
1) This ability allows to sense mostly force sensitive beings because they cause the majority of disturbances. The presence of all other life forms could also be sensed but not identified. This is how rogue jedi were able to hide after order 66. They cut off their connection with the force to merge with ordinary people. Meaning Voldemort as a non force sensitive being would be a simple human among billions of other humans from the Force's perspective.
2) It's not a magical tracking device either. Even when they feel disturbances, it's mostly an abstract presence but not the actual location. There are a lot of cases when force users had to rely on technology or their deductive skills in order to find something or someone. For example: Darth Maul used a drone to find Qui Gon and his team on Tatooine despite both jedi and young anakin being force sensitive and on the same planet with Maul. Qui Gon and Obi Wan at the same time weren't able to sense that Maul arrived on the planet at all. Vader couldn't sense the rebellion's location on Hoth despite the fact that his force sensitive son was also there and deduced this also with a help of a drone. A lot of cases come from the clone wars where jedi had to act as detectives in order to find the villain or someone who got captured. Like Ahsoka who got kidnapped by Bossk's race or by the pirates and the whole jedi order couldnt find her until she managed to contact them by herself.
3) Voldemort's soul is split so his parts are even smaller than the actual human soul making it even harder to track. Considering Vader couldn't identify Leia as his daughter, it's possible he won't find any connection between Voldemort and some random objects around the Britain at all.
4) And probably the most important thing: Vader doesn't know that Horcruxes even exist and what it is in the first place. So there's no reason for him to even start hunting them. Not to mention Voldemort protected his horcruxes with every existing charm so even tracking spells were useless and the only way to find them was Harry's bond with Voldemort or knowing his past to deduce his logic.
Combining all this, it's highly doubtful that Vader can find Horcruxes. Even if he feels some abstract presence of something dark on this planet it could be anything, including the planet itself, like on Dagobah
@@gardoc1669 I mean, that is pretty fair. I still feel like such ominous things should stand out in the Force by quite a lot, but as it stands there is no way to truly be certain if it is possible since they are different verses. At the very least I think the idea of that interaction is quite funny.
"Avada Kedavra is an unblockable spell"
Harry Potter: Hold my butterbeer.
Voldemort used the spell against harry using two different wands, both having different reasons for being blockable. His wand had a tail feather from the same Phoenix who’s tail feather was in Harry’s, meaning that the wands were twins, meaning they can wound, but not fatality harm each other with those wands. The other wand was the elder wand, the most powerful wand ever created. That one didn’t work because Voldemort wasn’t the wands master. Sorry for the yap session
@@kalebgamez808 Well in the book the ending was different though, it's true the elder wand was loyal to Harry, but Harry didn't defeat Voldemort in the same way. He casted expelliarmus so fast that Voldemort's avada kedavra was in mid-casting when his wand flew away. By flewing away, just when the wand was pointing at him, the curse was fully casted and hit himself. It wouldn't be an epic emotional scene in the cinema I suppose, it's a very fast ending for the final battle, but that's what happened, Harry got actually better at dueling and defeated Voldemort fair and square at that time.
@@MrSasukeSusanoo Thanks for the info. I didn't read the books because I have the attention span of a goldfish when it comes to reading
Would Vader not be able to stop the blast mid air like a blaster bolt
@@getBhavinShah No, he's just need to strangle Moldy Voldy. Either with the Force or the old fashioned way. Don't forget that Vader is strong enough to just strangle someone one handed while giving them the Chokeslam from Hell.
Voldemort not only couldn’t beat a teenage boy, but there are literally no dueling feats that help him. Even going against Dumbledore , that man was old as hell.
Plus magic wouldn’t work on the force because it’s too slow and u have to speak. Vader could literally freeze him before he opens his mouth and twist his neck in one breath
@@krxwnvxk3432 Like I know there’s non verbal magic, but the wind up or the specific wand movements needed are taking him outta there. And we haven’t seen him accomplish anything of the sort when it comes to this level of threat.
Super disingenuous comment. Lol you lack critical thinking
Didn't Vader lose to a kid who never even lifted a lightsaber until 4 years ago?
@f.m848
No he didn’t. If you are speaking of Kal Kestis, kal got his ass handed to him and even got stabbed with his own weapon. Cere Junda lost and died. She put up a good fight, but lost.
Hard to cast spells when you're being forced choked, and your wand is pulled from your hand.
hard to die when you’re immortal 🤷♂️
@@genocidalyoukai7890 eh, maybe hard to stay dead, but just as hard to come back again
There are wizards in the Harry Potter universe powerful enough to cast without their wands, or without saying the spell. Don’t know about bout together though
@@perc_nowitzki4735 spells cast without a wand are significantly less powerful and from what I can recall casting super powerful spells without one either isn’t possible at all or they are reduced to such a degree that it’s a waste of magic.
Wizards don't need wands to perform magic and can cast non verbal spells
Vader: a twig as your weapon of choice?
*wand snaps in voldemorts hand*
His hands are forced crushed. Find a new wand now.
@@f1jones544 also good
_nonverbal magic has entered the chat_
But I have 2 questions, is the force faster than performing a spell & would snapping his wand even be vaders first move?
@@arkking552 neck snapped via force choke has entered the chat
"Avada kad...ack!...ack!" (Chokes out and dies)
"I find your lack of power disappointing"
he dosent need to say the words he just dose that to frighten his opponents
I wonder how Voldemort going to focus when his get force choked and thrown around like plush in angry kid hand.
Vader winning a lightsaber battle with 3rd sister while unarmed and ONE HANDED is possibly the biggest flex ever.
Peak cringe for Vader. I would even say peak cringe for the franchise, but the Acolyte exists.
It was actually hilarious. He wasn't even trying.
It wasn’t a battle for Vader; it was playtime. 😂
Anything Disney does not exist. Have a nice day.
@@Manostionyea lol
Full potential anakin is not even needed
We're going ULTRA MAGA🗿💯
"Accio Respirator"
*Flies away in smoke form
Return of the Jedi Vader is his prime and he hadn't even reached his peak yet
even jedi padawan Anakin neg diffs Voldemort
@@applecore8978Given the timeline of Harry Potter, Voldemort wouldn’t know that word.. He wouldn’t know what a lightsaber is, and he wouldn’t understand the force or be able to counter it.
Force chokes before Tom can wave his wand
No
@@Arthur-oy4nj Yes
@@Arthur-oy4nju do know vader can force choke from thousands of kilometers away right? He can force choke voldemort without even having to be on the same planet through a TV screen. Ask admiral ozzel. So hands down vader wins and doesn't even get close enough for voldemort to use killing curse. One Facebook FaceTime call and fight is over
@@TeamValkyrie2023 Show me one TV screen in the wizarding world
@@TeamValkyrie2023 Voldemort has horcraxes
No, Anakin was not yet the most powerful Jedi--he had the "potential" to be the most powerful. Also, Sidious did not concede that Anakin WAS more powerful; during their lightsaber battle, Sidious told Yoda that Vader "WILL BE" more powerful than them.
Not to mention he forgot to mention vaders ability of dun mac to get inside the head and exploit a person’s personal weaknesses a lot was left out on vaders part but I do agree Vader slaps
I've pointed out this flaw in another video...
Facts
Anakins entire RotS arc is him becoming stronger than the Jedi. The passage referenced is from the RotS adult novel, where Sheev tells Dooku on the IH that Anakin might be stronger than himself.
He became Vader before the suit. It’s not like the suit made him Vader.
Also, take away the main weapons:
Vader - would still be able to force to choke him, snap his neck, throw him around like a ragdoll, etc.
Voldemort - just becomes a guy who really likes year-round Halloween
@@EventualWarlord Fair but Force users can use the Force without a lightsaber as well, and only one of them can bomb a planet from orbit ;)
@@EventualWarlord damn bro you pearl clutched your fandom so hard that you used a cleverly guised word to mask your ableist slur. nice job...
@@EventualWarlord Strange that he was still killed by a teenager being immortal and all.
@@scoreyj13 Nothing strange here. He wasn't killed by Harry in a direct duel. He never lost a single fight in his life. He was killed because of the series of extremely rare accidental circumstances. And all of his horcruxes were destroyed at that point.
There was a prophecy saying that Harry will win so Voldemort couldn't do anything about it. Everything happened according to this prophecy. He didn't lose to Harry, he lost to the Destiny itself.
I'll tell you a secret but if there was a prophecy in SW that says Vader will be killed by Jar Jar, then Vader won't be able to do anything about it as well. No matter how improbable this sounds or how big the gap in strength between them is. The events will inevitably unfold in a way that leads to this exact outcome.
In the cursed child we can see what would've happened if at least one of these circumstances had not occurred. A.k.a without this prophecy plot armor. Harry dies, Voldemort takes over the whole world and literally no one is able to stop him.
@@EventualWarlord he just needs to find the horcruxes
“DARTH VADER! Finally, an opponent worth my-“
*force choke*
Yeah and this is exactly the problem. Thinking voldemort can't handle a force choke 😂 it proves how little you know about his power
@@katerinamikaelson1416 The magic system in the Potterverse is based on incantations. Hard to talk when being force choked.
Valdie's only chance is to take down Vader before Vader figures out how to totally shut down his magic. That means one spell, two at ABSOLUTE most. But like most villains, Valdie likes to gloat, which in this case will be terminal.
Vader, on the other hand, has free hand to gloat all he wants once he figures out the magic system. He can interrupt Voldie's casting at will, choke him until he's almost passed out, let him get a few breaths in, choke him some more, and gloat the whole time to his villainous content.
@@andrewszigeti2174 no it's in fact not. Exactly my point. You folks no nothing about the Wizarding world which is why your argumentation is simply incorrect. Powerful wizards in the Wizarding world can use magic without incantations. Tom Riddle is one of the most powerful. He doesn't need a wand nor does he need his mouth. The rest of your comment is your imagination. There is no canon on how the force interacts with magic and you merely made it up. Fact remains we DO NOT KNOW.
@@andrewszigeti2174 oh and maybe there is a Canon about star wars magic. Obviously I am talking about Wizarding world magic tho
@@katerinamikaelson1416 Valdie went down to a flippin' teenager. Vader had to be taken down by the EMPEROR.
No compariosn.
The force shows Vader that the wand of the source of much of Voldemort's power. Darth yanks wand with the force, pins Voldemort's hands and mouth, game, set match
Voldy can do wandless magic though
@@hotobrownie5971 Yes. That is why you pin the hands and mouth. It might not stop him but will reduce his power.
Voldemort uses legilimency to read Vader's mind and knows what the Sith is about to do.
@@tommoore2012 Wouldn't work for the same reason the Imperius Curse is useless: Vader's constant pain fueling the Dark Side maintains a shield around his mind. Occlumency is all about mental discipline. Harry struggled with it because he couldn't control his emotions. The Dark Side is all about weaponizing your emotions and using them to fuel your Force powers. As Sidious said in ROTS: "Your anger gives you focus, makes you stronger." Novice practitioners of the Dark Side just drown themselves in their emotions to get a massive power boost (similar to what Luke did in ROTJ when he almost fell to the Dark Side) but experienced Dark Side users know how to wield their emotions while retaining their rationality, which requires a great deal of mental discipline. If Voldemort tried Legilimency against Vader, the only thing he'd see is an unbreakable wall of emotional energy fueled by decades of pain and rage.
@@tommoore2012the force can protect against mind reading. It's shown that mind reading is also a force ability and if the novice rey can do it, the potential strongest sith definitely can
I think one thing worth mentioning here, is that in a head to head fight neither is going to have any idea what the other is capable of, and both have issues with being arrogant. That being said, Voldemort tends to be far more arrogant and likely to underestimate his opponent, while Vader has force precog to aid him. Thus the moment voldemort tries to arrogantly cast a spell, vader's force precog will alert him to the danger allowing him to either block the attack with his lightsaber or use the force to wrench the wand away. And at that point Voldemort is pretty much defenseless since the force can act faster than voldy's spells.
Thus force precog always allows vader to be ready for whatever Voldy throws, while Voldy has no idea what Vader has in his arsenal until snake boy is already hit with it.
So Vader Stomps hard.
Anakin fought in the clone wars and became a brilliant tactician. I think Vader would recognize a weapon when he sees one and disarm him immediately. Can't concentrate on a spell when you're being force crushed.
You do know Voldemort can read minds Just by standing in your vacinity easily. Therefore Voldemort would Always know what Vader is up to.
@@AntonRosenkranz vader's precog allows him to see that coming before Voldemort can use it. meaning before Voldemort even has a chance to use it he is already getting force crushed. and voldemort it terms of his reaction speed, is not faster than a baseline human, where vader has both super human reaction speeds and force precog. Voldemorts mind reading ability cannot see into the future, where vader's force sensitivity can.
I don't see how he would be able to block a spell with his lightsaber, that sounds kinda cliché. No way Vader looses though, he kills Voldy with the force too fast for the old guy to cast anything meaningful
@@AntonRosenkranz That doesnt help if the force binds him down while vader cuts him into pieces with his lightsaber
Vader just fucking blitzes and one taps him LMFAO. The speed gap alone is fucking monstrous but Vader's far superior range and AP mean that Voldy just... dies horribly.
I do not think so
@@Arthur-oy4nj
The speed gap is enormous. The prequel novelizations had Obi-Wan moving his lightsaber so fast to stop droid laser fire that it looked as though he had created a laser wall and this incarnation of Obi Wan would get fortnite danced on by Prime Vader. Characters weaker than Vader like Kylo Ren during his first appearance could stop lasers mid air AFTER they had been fired without even moving his hands. Bottom tier jedi could consistently laser-time due to force precog.
range wise, Vader has planetary+ range with the force and can even force choke people from a different part of the galaxy.
AP wise: Vader can casually crush things like AT-AT's which far surpass Voldy's durability and fight creatures/force users who far exceed anything Voldy can dream of. "
It's a stomp.
@@Shoddragon We do not know if Yedi could stop spells and of Wizards could be damaged by the force. So it is almost imposible to let one of the 2 winn. It are just 2 different stories
@@Arthur-oy4njhe doesn't need to block it. He can literally crush voldemorts wand before he casts a spell or enhance his speed and get up in his face before he can react
@@Arthur-oy4nj Vader has shown resistance to magic like that of the Muur talisman (the talisman that turns people into Rakghouls) and wizards can be damaged by literally anything. Harry Potter characters typically have average human stats and can amp themselves a bit with shield spells but not to the level that they could withstand Vader's AP. Even old dying characters like Yoda can casually lift things like X-Wings out of swamps and we've seen characters like Vader or weaker stop things like freighters mid-flight easily.
There's nothing stopping Vader from immediately force choking voldermort and holding his entire body still with the force and crushing him to death. Even with the horcruxes we have nothing to suggest that Voldemort has infinite regeneration or something.
Vader would win hands down. Walks in and Force chokes Voldemort while holding him in the air. Yeah Voldemort's spirit can't be killed but his physical body can and it would obviously take a huge amount of time to get a new body for the rematch, plus if Vader really wanted he could actually study up a bit on Dark Side rituals and imprison or possibly even absorb Voldemort's soul into himself. Magic is very versatile yeah but in almost all its forms you need to be able to move or talk which Vader can stop easily
Also, Sith have magic too. It's called darkside alchemy. It's a mix of force powers and black magic. The nightsisters of Dathomir outright state that magic exists and is completely different from the power of the force. And the sith can harness it.
Edit: I mean proper magic. Shit that allows you to transform into birds and throw fireballs type shit.
@@acegaming7301Zannah was quite proficient in Sith Sorcery and could cause pain to such a degree that even Bane considered it to be the greatest pain he had ever felt. Bane, by the way, had experienced unbelievable pain over the course of years via orbalisks and yet a single attack by Zannah exceeded all of that.
Voldemort's immortality could easily be used against him by Vader. Vader could easily disable Voldemort, remove his wand, and encase him in some type of metal box where he would stay for a very long time. And Vader being Vader, that would just be the start. He would research and discover the Horcruxes, locate them, and keep them for later use.
@@anthonyobryan3485 Carbonite.
@@Fact-fiend_1000ASMR. The force, to be used, requires concentration.
Voldemort aiming his wand at Vader and shooting the instakill spell at him takes less time.
We see that this is how Voldemort treats non wizards, and there is literarly no reason for him to treat Vader differently.
If Vader is very fast he will start choking Voldemort a millisecond before dying.
As a huge HP fan, I don't believe any wizard can hold up against any force user. Most spells are point and shoot. So a force user can easily sense and block or dodge the spells. While a wizard has no defence against the force. It's not even really a fight.
Shield charms block all kinds of attacks including telepathy and telekinesis. This alone gives defense against all force abilities while canon force users have no defense against wizards hax powers like Transifugration.
Also, magic relies on intent, hostile intent is all it takes to clue in a high-powered force user to your presence
@@iio_moonForce is everywhere. It's is explained like a very small particles that only some creatures can controll.
@Spacemarine_Cassiel That's irrelevant to my comment but you're partially correct
@@iio_moonit's questionable it a shield could actually block the force because the force is everywhere meaning it's already going to be past any shield that you could put up. There's not energy being sent out like a spell would use.
If expelliarmus works I could see Vader just force pulling it back before it even gets a foot away from him.
...or the lightsaber not even leaving his hydraulic grip in the first place.
Or Vader fires his saber, blade-first towards Voldemort, skewering him with it, before force-pulling it back.
"All too easy."
@@ladyv5655 yeah cuz he can't just dodge or turn to smoke lol
Or simply just asked "do you think I need that trinket to deal with you" as less of a question and more of a statement.
“Expelliarmus!”
*light sabre flys 2 feet before Vader pulls it back”
Vader :-
“You do not know, the power, of the Dark side”
Voldimort
“ schkkllrrrghhh “
* force choking
So you're telling me that every single person that was hit with the killing curse was always a face or a handshot? Where does it say that the killing curse can only work if it hits a person's skin that makes zero sense.
No if avada kedavra hits clothes, the person dies anyways, but vader has armor, not clothes
@@Miko24680 the armor also won’t help for several different reasons
@@gardoc1669 Which are...?
@@onelove101unity
1) Armor didn't help before. For example in Hogwarts Legacy goblins who used the armor from goblin silver (has magical properties and is also super durable) enhanced with corrupted ancient magic still got affected by the unforgivable curses.
2) If armor did have protective properties everyone would've used it.
3) Even if we assume that Vader's armor is a physical object to the curse (it might not be because it's connected to Vader's internal organs basically making him one with his armor so it might be considered as a whole entity by the spell) and it won't hit Vader directly, the spell destroys every inanimate object that it hits, essentially "killing it". For example golden statue in the ministry was blasted to hundreds of pieces, wooden table was set on fire etc. Meaning the curse destroys the object in the most effective way. So if it hits the armor it will simply explode and as a result still killing Vader in the process
@@gardoc1669 fair enough. Doesn’t change the fact Voldemort would be dead before he can cast his spell and if if he did cast it then it would be dodged and he would be dead.
Voldermort, could not even take over a school. Vader held a Galaxy in his hand.
No. Sidious had his galaxy in his hands. Vader had no interest in managing the Empire and instead more focused on hunting remaining Jedi.
He did control a whole region of the country. Not the whole country but still impressive.
@@matthewstorm4135 true BUT sidous heavily relied on vader and the inquisitors
A Farmer boy lead to the end of a empire. a school of magic protected by the strongest wizards of the country defeated Voldemort who at that point had control over the government in the shadows.
makes me wonder how good you think sidius and vader is
@@martimking1craft that farmer boy is the offspring of a Jedi with the largest midiclorian count in history, he's an extraordinarily gifted pilot, and he was trained by the strongest force user in Jedi history. Even with ALL OF THAT, Luke didn't brute force his win. Vader was already conflicted and killed sidious. Lets be real here, if Vader had not turned back to the light, Luke would NOT have won.
Vader to Voldemort:
WE WOULD BE HONORED IF YOU WOULD JOIN US
nah i dont even think he would be a good inquisitor
YOU WILL JOIN ME OR DIE!!!!- Vader
Vader wouldn't recruit a bit-chas nerd who waves around a twig
@@jasonlauritsen5587 Harsh! But true unless Vader saw an advantage to the use of him. Probably a temporary one.
*turns vader into a bug and squashes him*
Why do these "vs." things always go against Darth Vader, and not his BOSS?
Seriously, you beat Vader, and you just hear "Goood.....GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODDD! EVERYTHING has transpired according to MY design!"
Because although Palpatine is the emperor and the supreme villain, Vader is recognized as the more popular, more powerful villain, and the one with a better backstory and a more fleshed out character.
because it's his design, why dirting your hand when you can let loose the big angry and very powerful dog?
Vader is the emperors Dragon. And in direct combat is probably more powerful.
Oh god, Darth Sidious would be even worse for him on every level. Hard to cast the Killing Curse when you're being fried by Force Lightning.
Voldemort would shit his robes if he could tell how powerful in the Force that Darth Vader was.
Voldemort: “CRUCIO!!!”
Darth Vader: “My pain is my power…”
Darth vader ruled an galaxy while voldemort couldnt even rule an basement
Darth Vadar's main weakness opponents having the high ground
He corrected that mistake by learning saber throw.
@@MyAramil good catch. Especially seen in ROTJ against his son Luke.
Don't forget sand
Not actually
@@mitchellstanding1548 second hand weakness
Darth Vader killed millions and ruled a whole entire galaxy
Voldemort couldn't even take over a high school
I think the light saber is Vader's single biggest X-factor in his favor for this fight. That thing is pure condensed, compressed energy. Any spell that Voldemort throws at Vader will get either blocked, deflected or absorbed by the saber. Its pretty much the ultimate counter for any physical or energy based attack, with magic being its own form of energy.
I agree but blocking every energy based attack is very far fetched there’s plenty of energy based attacks that would obliterate a light saber lol. Not saying Voldemort could do that but still.
@@valerwolf255which attacks are you thinking would destroy a saber? Blasts from the infinity gauntlet? Im genuinely asking.
Avada Kedavra will destroy Vader's lightsaber, or at least disarm him.
@@joshalan5125 reality warping attacks. Well, with those attacks you wouldn't exactly be destroying the saber, just turning it into a stick for example
@@Wes_Bradley-Taubner Magic is not The Force.
Can you talk about why Harry Potter vs Luke Skywalker isn’t even close because this debate been around since this whole Star Wars vs Harry Potter happened online along with Yoda vs Dumbledore
Luke vs Harry is a bigger stomp than this one.
This is Disney Luke, not legends Luke. At least that's what I'm guessing since he went with Disney Vader here.
I'd say Harry stance a chance, albeit a small one, of beating Disney Luke.
Legends Luke would chunk a black hole in his direction tho
@@spiffygonzales5160 I get what you're saying.
@williamsynmerson1204. Legends Luke would destroy Hogwarts with one push of the Force it wouldn’t even be close for Harry Potter to fight him
@@zaebegaye4320 I absolutely agree
Not vader being able to snap voldemort's neck as soon as the fight starts
Voldemort: Monologues like usual
Vader: Breathes and stares
Voldemort: gasps as every bone in his body is crushed by an unseen pressure.
Vader: walks away without any further thought
I'd really want to see someone use the Cruciatus Curse on Vader. He might even keep them around just to keep powering him up, lol.
I have to go with Vader here as the winner but transmutation is the big X factor for me. If Voldemort can land that it's over. However that is a big If. Not brought up was the fact force users do have some precognitive abilities. If Voldemort plans to start whipping out Transmutations it may lead to Vader just ending things as he will sense significant danger coming. Hell even if it lands if Vader is still sentient he may still have the force so he might win as a spider as Voldemort is about to step on him and gets his head cut off by a floating light saber. In the end I think though this is a very talented and very skilled Bully versus a legitimate Bad Ass. Vader is made of stronger stuff and I see Voldemort breaking first.
Vader can sense the presence of anyone with power, which means Vader would have first attack resulting with a choke hold followed by disarming of Voldermorts wand. The only way Voldermort would have a chance would be if someone of greater power or emotional interest was distracting Vader.
@@NTJedi thats so funny to think of: get someone more powerfull than you to distract me and you may have a Chance of defeating me😂
Cant powerful sith stave off death? So couldn't he just tank the death curse? And wouldn't the torture curse only help his force powers like his annoying suit does?
Yes and no. The sith that did that were either heavily corrupted ie. Palpatine in the rise of skywalker, or only in a weakened spirit form like Marka Ragnos. The dark side is antithetical to life so when they try to prolong it things tend to get fucky. As for tanking it, maybe if he were to preform essence transfer, he may be able to pull it off but it's not something you do in a fight. It's more of a ritual thing and it never really goes well for sith.
Maul lived solely due to his intense hatred. Darth Vader would probably be able to tank the death curse.
If going by legends then yes. And Vader BEFORE he knew Luke was his son might be able to do it, since Anakin Skywalker was for all intents and purposes gone. We don't know for sure if he could, and even if he could Palpatine never taught him immortality, meaning he would become like Darth Sion or Darth Nihlus.
People always go "OMG look how powerful Nihlus is he eats planets" but Vader or Palps are definitely stronger than Nihlus. Nihlus HAS to eat planets worth of life to survive, that's not a strength.
Anywho I'm getting off topic, if Vader did have to do that I'm calling it a tie because any chance at immortality for Vader would be lost and he'd most certainly become a slave to the dark side. Yea, he'd beat mr no nose... but hell is a real place in Legends StarWars, and I would most definitely give Vader the ultimate L if he ended up there because of a fight with Voldemort.
No, the death curse would be a one shot but voldemort needs to even hit vader first. The speed gap is crazy even if you just look at movie vader.
Vader has force precog, so he can see the attack coming before Voldy even casts it, and Vader isn't stupid, he would stop the killing curse before it was even fired.
This is a excellent example of a phenomena in VS Debates I call "Material Quantity Bias", which basically means that whoever has more material is naturally favored.
If we only has the original Star Wars trilogy, Volds would probably be favored, but Star Wars is a series where there is vastly more auxilliary material than source material while Harry Potter still has very little actual auxiliary material to go with the books, hell, there is probably more Darth Vader books than Harry Potter books. Because Star Wars is 99,5% worldbuilding/auxiliary material by volume, Vader has a near endless list of feats, skills and powers to analyze while Voldy has very little due to the lack of material and Rowlings wobbly worldbuilding.
The result of this is that whenever we bring up a feat or skill of Volds, there is ALWAYS a skill or feat of Vader that trumps it, simply because there is just so damn much Vader material.
You make a good point. The more media a franchise has the more likely it'll have writers trying to out do each other on how powerful the characters are, and so have more power creep. Like how comics have several forms of ultimate supposedly all powerful gods stacked on top of one another. "No, wait. This ultimate white and gold colored being is totally the most powerful god of the setting!" Then two months later there's another really freaking high energy being who's totally more powerful.
This doesn't change the facts though. It just explains how the facts could have come to be. Also this doesn't take away any merit from Vader. There have been other works in the Potterverse aside from the books and likely none of it expanded upon Volde's powers. Even you try to argue that "there could be any number of powerful spells unexplored in world of the books that didn't come to fruition in the story", the fact of the matter is that these potential powers went unexplored for a reason: JK Rowling set Voldemort as the most powerful Wizard, so even if he could get several times more powerful, he would never actually do it because there was never going to be any need. It's probable that 20 other HP books, had them been written, would not push the envelope on what Voldemort was able to do. Vader, on the other hand, by the story of just the first three movies, had to be as strong as he was.
@@renato360a Considering Vader's powers greatly expanded from the OT, nevermind the first movie, I fail to see your point. Saying that a character is already strong in the initial media doesn't stop writers from adding new powers. Hell, it probably encourages them, as they get ideas for new abilities and give them to characters already considered strong to avoid complaints from fans. As the blitzburn noted, this isn't saying Voldemort would win, they're merely noting an out of fiction trend they've spotted and using the Voldemort vs Vader fight as an example. Not to mention, since this is an inter universe fight, there's a lot of unknowns. Could the Force tip off Vader to Voldemort's soul jars? We don't know, but fans hate when a supposed source of knowledge admits their limits, which tends to lead to guesses being portrayed as fact. That and in settings with multiple authors, or hell, just a long enough time stuff is being written in it, there are going to be inconsistencies. When faced with these there is a question; do we default to the strongest powers, even if they were used once and never again, or the most common, or a combo of the two. Does it sound complicated? Yes, welcome to large scale fiction writing. At least if you want to figure out a character's powers across hundreds of books, video games and seven movies. OT+PT+ Rogue One. Nevermind there might be an author with an agenda on board to pump up or nerf their favorite/ disliked characters.
@@adams13245 I think you're just repeating what blitzburn already said. My second point, in summary, is that Vader is a character with potential to be expanded upon, while Volde isn't. No matter how many writers you throw at Voldemort, he won't get any stronger. This potential alone I claim is reason enough to justify the superiority of Vader even in the face of publishing logistics.
A simpler example of this is One Punch Man. How he was defined early determines his invincibility forever. Each stronger foe he faces reveals a new reason why he can't be beaten, as if they're adding to his powers. But this all adding stems from how he was first defined.
@@renato360a So because you say that Rowling said Voldemort was the most powerful wizard he cannot have said powers expanded. As opposed to Vader, who was said to be a prophecized hero who was going to end the Sith. As opposed to all the EU characters with crazy powers, like Starkiller, who dragged down an entire star destroyer or "5d chess genius!1!" Revan, who just so happened to stumble on an ancient factory with limitless power from the dark side, but totally wasn't corrupted by it. Or other "5d chess genius!1!" Thrawn who defeats his enemies with sherlokian wit cause Zhan has a hard on for milit- I mean he's totally a tactical genius. Nevermind that Outbound Flight pretty much shows him to be competent when faced by the tactically moronic Trade Federation, who somehow become completely trust worthy to reprogram a completely new technology to the Chiss... cause reasons. Suddenly Vader doesn't look that powerful, thanks to EU power creep. Seems like a good example of what blitz was talking about: the more writers you rent your universe out to, the more likely there will be major power creep, as said writers try to one up each other. Sure, I suppose Vader is stronger than Voldemort in a straight up fight, but blitz wasn't denying that, merely pointing out an interesting reason why that was probably true. Or are we not allowed to examine fiction as fiction when it seemingly deflates one of your favorite characters?
Imagine challenging someone to a duel and they force choke you from across the galaxy
Voldermorts spellbook: "this spell needs verball components."
Vader using his fingerneck pinches: "let's fix that shall we."
It’s basically a fight between science vs magic.
When is the Force science?
@@adams13245midichlorians
@@adams13245 it is magic for our world, but it is a natural well… Force in the Star Wars universe meaning it is scientifically studied, but I think the commentary means a lot of Vader stuff is from his tech. The light saber the suit the force is the main weapon for this fight, but still.
@@adams13245 without the force there wouldn't be life in Star Wars
it surrounds all living things and bind us all together. even if you aren't a jedi you have midichlorian, to be a force user you just need to have a nescessary count of midichlorian.
meanwhile magic is just magic. it has no effect on Harry Potters world if it didn't exist
in fact most don't know it exist
The unforgiving spells can be blocked by objects. Since lightsaber can block force lightning, it can probably also block the curses
What?
I think this fight is a lot more even than a lot of people are making it, but the vast majority comes down to how the force and magic interact.
A few preliminary assumptions about magic that I think most people are missing:
- A wand is a focus item, not the source of magical power. (HP made glass disappear without a wand. Longbottom bounced when dropped by his uncle.) Some magic can be done without that focus, so breaking the wand does not make Voldemort defenseless, but significantly less of a threat.
- Magic is as all encompassing as The Force. It can influence things in much the same way. Both magic and The Force tend to require time to research/meditate to understand how to wield their powers.
- Magic allows mathematical and scientific impossibilities: Buildings where there is not space to put them, technological exclusion zones.
- Star Wars Tech is essentially muggle tech. Imperials are essentially muggles.
- Wizards can make areas where muggle tech doesn't work. (Depending on how this works, Vader's lightsaber and suit likely become nothing but dead weight.)
Some questions which need answered to figure out how the fight would go:
- What can Voldemort do without his wand? He clearly isn't helpless since the wand is merely a focus item . . . but he's not nearly as powerful, either.
- Does magic allow a user to disapparate at will and escape force activities (push, pull, choke)? If so, this becomes a reasonably even fight.
- Does magic counter Imperial technology? If the fight occurs in an area where "Muggle technology" such as Vader's suit don't function, Vader's in trouble. If this extends to Vader's saber not working, he's in a *LOT* of trouble.
- Can a lightsaber block magic? Most people seem to assume that it can because it can block practically anything in the Star Wars universe . . . but I don't know if that's a safe assumption. If it can, then Voldemort is in a world of hurt. If not, Vader *MUST* break the wand immediately.
I think this fight boils down to "Who can eliminate the others' advantages first?"
Here's how I see this fight going down:
Volde is playing defense because he values his own life above all else, while Vader is well known for going on the offensive.
Vader finds the secret keeper for Voldemort's lair, and forces the location of the lair from him. Vader then proceeds to the lair, only for his saber and suit to immediately malfunction upon entering. Voldemort's home is protected by a muggle tech exclusion zone. Volde, now alert to the attack goes to investigate. Vader, prone and unable to breathe in his malfunctioning suit, force pulls himself outside to relative safety. Once outside, the suit and lightsaber immediately resume normal functioning.
Voldemort apparates behind Vader while Vader is not yet fully recovered. Wanting the invader to suffer he shouts "Crucio!" The beam of light hits Vader in the back.
Vader is in a world of debilitating pain and suffering. Unfortunately for Voldemort, this has the opposite effect Voldemort intends. Vader is both used to pain, and uses it to power his rage. Vader fights through the pain and tries to block it with his saber, but unlike anything he's used to, the saber fails to block the magical stream. Voldemort laughs at his pathetic victim. "You are pathetic! Your power is useless against me!" Wanting to end the pain, Vader uses The Force to snap the wand. Fortunately for Voldemort, he's begun keeping a spare wand in his pocket. Before Tom can pull it out, Vader begins to Force Choke him. Voldemort puts his hand in his pocket, grabs the spare, and immediately disapparates back into his lair.
Vader, knowing he is at a severe disadvantage inside the lair, chooses not to follow. Instead, he summons a transport from his ship. He orders the ship to bombard the lair from orbit, only for the gunner to inform him that there is no such location. Fortunately for Vader, he has kept his informant (Voldemort's secret keeper) alive for further questioning. Upon being mocked by the secret keeper, Vader flies into a rage, and kills him. "Lord Vader! We don't know what happened, but the location wasn't there a moment ago, but we can see it now!" "Excellent. Fire."
Voldemort's Lair is engulfed in death from above, yet he does not die. He has made himself immune to heat and used his magic to create a wall of force around himself, but many of his enchantments were destroyed in the blast. Tom flees to one of his secondary bases. Sensing this, Vader returns to the planet. Finding the new secret keeper, he saves time by killing her immediately. Riddle, not knowing the secret keeper has died, stays in his lair. Vader blasts it from space. Again, Riddle survives, but not realizing there was an imminent threat, he was less prepared, and severely weakened. Vader, finds his quarry, and begins by using the force to snap his wands and force Riddle's hands away from his pockets. "You were more powerful than I expected. Still, it is time for you to die." Riddle unable to focus and deprived of magical defenses, is cut in half by a lightsaber.
I also think that one cannot so easily dismiss Magic. The most straight forward point is the prophacy. If the prophacy is true, then Vader does not have the power to defeat Voldemort. Period. But let's keep the prophacy out of it.
The magic systems are so different that they are hard to compare. So let's assume that magic and force are equally powerful entities.
Also what I would adress is usuing force to break a wand. I don't think it is that easy. I believe there is no really satisfying explanation why force users don't break or disable each others lightsaber. So let's assume that you can use the force in some way to protect a lightsaber from manipulation by the force. I would claim that the same principle applies to a wand as well. A wizard has a string connection to their wand, while he is holding it, so he would feel an attempt to break the wand with the force. Since I assume magic is equally powerful as the force, a strong wizard could definitely protect his wand in a similar way as a Jedi protects his lightsaber.
So here is what I think about your questions:
What can Voldemort do without his wand?
This question becomes much less relevant if we assume that he can protect his wand. Still I think he cannot do much. Even though magic can be wielded without a wand, it would be either much less powerful, or much less controllable. So Voldemort might be able to cast simple spells without a wand and also be able to blow up everything around him, but not focus a powerful blast against a specific target.
Does magic allow a user to disapparate at will and escape force activities (push, pull, choke)?
Apparition definitely requires a rotational movement. So if you are prevented from turning you cannot disapparate, apart from that I do not see a reason why you couldn't.
Does magic counter Imperial technology?
Would agree here, imperial tech is just muggle tech. But in a hypothetic battle I would not give anyone a defensive advantage by setting up protective spells and it is not Voldemorts style either.
Can a lightsaber block magic?
I would say it can block any spell that can be blocked by a wand as well. So depends on the power of the spell. Unforgivable curses definitely not, I would say.
Same goes for magic blocking a lightsaber. A powerful magic shield could withstand a lightsaber for at least some time.
And by the way, Avada Kedavra needing to connect to flesh makes no sense at all. Maybe Vaders armor is string enough to take one blow of it, but it would probably stop working. So when Voldemort casts Avada Kedavra, Vader tries to block it, fails and it hits his armor which stops functioning. In this weakened sate Vader will go on to lose the fight relatively quickly.
@@jakobm.4183 I disagree with the assumption about wands being resistant to breaking because of how Ron's breaks, and now Harry breaks the elder wand . . . but I think your analysis is much better than the vast majority of what I see here. Well thought out. :)
@@jakobm.4183 About wandless magic: there's an answer for this in the lore. The ability to use magic without a wand is a hard discipline to learn. But it's still possible. With practice and skill basically every spell is possible to cast without any loss in power. There are entire schools like the one in Africa where wandless magic is a primary discipline while the use of wands is optional. But since wands make it much more convenient, a lot of people still prefer using them. But guys like Dumbledore, Grindelwald or Voldemort showed that they can cast even super complex spells without a wand. For example, Dumbledore used nonverbal wandless transfiguration (the hardest branch of wandless magic) on Slytherin flags and turned them into Gryffindor ones with a clap of his hands. Or created an entire mirror dimension to fight Creedence. Grindelwald used telekinesis just like force users do to disarm and lift multiple people at once or throw cars for examle. Voldemort deflected Harry's spell with a hand gesture, used legilimency, telekinesis, unsupported flight (big deal in the books, this was considered to be impossible so i think it counts as a high level magic) and other things. Even Quirrell who according to Snape was a mediocre wizard, used transfiguration with a snap of his fingers. So even if Voldemort loses his wand, he won't be powerless
@@JoeLandrigan I did not mean that wands are resistant to breaking, they clearly are not. However, I think that a powerful wizard could protect his wand against force attacks using magic.
The force is essentially limited magic idk why star wars fans think it will be easy claps for vader
alot of people are saying that vader would snap voldy's wand in half, but considering that would be pretty against the unspoken rules of chivalrous lightsaber battles where duelists never use cheap tactics like switching their lightsaber on and off or stealing the other duelist lightsaber i think darth vader wouldn't even think about snapping wands as a tactic.
That’s actually only true with certain opponents.The main reason that doesn’t happen is because all force users have a force shield that protects them from force based attacks of from someone with a similar level of power. That’s why lightsabers are used when fighting force users. That being said, Vader is able to shatter the force shield of almost anyone, although half the time he doesn’t even bother
Lets be honest, in the end voldemort will always whin, since he gets more than just one attempt.
First try he'll die of course, then he will inevitably come back to try again. But this time he knows what he's getting himself into.
So know he just apparates to vaders Ship, uses fierce fire (which is uncontrollable even to most wizards) then voldi disapparates to space (of course protecting himself with an adapted head bubble charm) then watching vaders Ship go out in flames, wich ONLY Voldi would be able to stop.
Even if vader wouldn't die, he would drifting through space, surrounded by sentient flames, that will destroy any vessel that tries to save vader...
You dont have to be more powerful, if you are able to respawn.
this comment is more accurate than the entire video
Darth Vader could probably actually absorb Voldemort’s soul with the force
There is the fact that Vader has a possibility of containing the flames until they die out. Even if they don't die out due to lack of oxygen, the magic would only be able to sustain them for so long. Then if Voldemort dies again, he has a limited time until he can't respawn as Vader would start to investigate to find out how he was able to come back.
There is no sentient flame, there is only the force.
The fuck do you mean it's gonna take him fuckin what ? 20 years to respawn in that time Vader will already be dead and if we are wanna talk power and respawns the deathstar will obliterate everything on earth including the horcruxes and that's assuming Vader can't sense the horcruxes through the force if that's possible which since both worlds seem to be able to interact in this particular scenario is something I think is likely
crazy how this is even a debate
Being a long time fan of both these series, I'm glad you came to the proper conclusion
I know the star wars fan base has a lot of debates and arguments but literally everyone would agree that Anakin was not the strongest Jedi. He has the highest midichlorian level (Luke and Leia might have more) which means he had the highest potential. Also he wasn't at the peak of his power at that time, it's just that's where his power was cut short. If Anakin were have to been in a fight against an older version of himself he would likely have lost
I was thinking that too. Obiwan beat him like a red haired stepchild, and HE was not the most gifted jedi Master on the council in either force power or lightsaber forms.
Yeah Anakin was a noob at channeling the dark side while fighting Obiwan. That made him weaker than his fully focused light side.
@lesigh1749 Yeah, both Mace and Yoda would've whooped him. Obi wan was probably the third strongest on the Council in all fairness. Though, Obi wan vs Mace is debatable, imo since Obi doesn't use dark side and so Mace wouldn't actually be that powered up. Attack of the clones Obi is also way weaker than ROTS Obi, before anyone says how Mace dealt with Jango vs Obi wan. Mace would still whoop Anakin because of his Vapaad though.
@@lesigh1749lol Anakin was by far the most gifted Jedi ever he is literally the chosen one he lost to Kenobi because of his Arrogance nothing else
@@charlieluth6185 I said Kenobi was not the most gifted.
“Voldemort. You’re shorter than I expected.”
Well put, I agree with your assessment fully.
vold: starting a sentence for a spell
vader: forcechokes
Voldemort doesn't need to cast spells verbally
@@coreywigent7693 i think forcechoke would still be somewhat effective
@@SkeletonSlacker he doesnt have to be near, he can just forcechoke voldi on facetime
@@ElysiaWhitemoonOmega LMAO TRUE
@@SkeletonSlacker and Voldemort could invade his mind
If Voldemort hits Vader with nonverbal AK it’s over. He can also teleport. Protego may be able to block any physical force attacks like force choke.
Vader obviously can’t be disarmed as he’ll always have the force. All he has to do is crush Voldemorts throat with the force or something if he can get through protego. Vader can’t block spells and will suffer full effects of any spells he’s hit with, magic may be able to block the force I’d say it’s 50/50.
If you think about it in greater detail you see it’s not as cut and dry. It boils down to whether physical force attacks can be blocked with protego. It wouldn’t make sense for the force to be able to block spells. If protego blocks the force and Voldemort uses it Vader died from AK. If it doesn’t, it’s 50/50 whoever acts first.
Can it be casted non verbally, though?
@@LordTyph yes
Except as others have pointed out in the comments vader has foresight of what his enemy will do before they act which will let him see it coming. Also avada kedavra is a light beam the same way a blaster bolt is and it’s probable that it travels maximum the same speed as blaster bolts which vader blocks with ease regularly in the show so he wouldn’t need the force for that. Also force attacks aren’t physical attacks they work by utilizing the force around the target which assuming that the force exists where they’re fighting (you would have to assume so because you’d also have to assume that magic is around for voldermort to use) vader can just use the force that surrounds voldermort to destroy him. Magic in the harry potter verse doesn’t work the same way as magic comes from within. The reason that voldermort can’t protect against the force is because only force users can by putting up a ”force field” around themselves to protect against enemy attacks. In short Voldermort gets absolutely destroyed in basicaly every conceivable situation.
I'll tell you why they're never close: because they are galaxies far far away! 🗿
This is such a good video and such a good take. I love how well explained it is and such good evidence. Great video keep it up 👍
Ever heard of Avada Kadavra, the spells guarantees death upon impact of the targeted person.
Bro fr and even if Vader “kills” Voldemort, he has like 7 other pieces of life to keep him alive. Vader fanboys are super bias
@@Dark-Wolf27 You both agreed with me and roasted me at the same time, because Vader is my favorite Sith. I’m just not delusional. 😂😂😂😂😂
@@zaltaristhedragongod911 oh my bad😭i like Vader too it’s just that sometimes Vader fans can be a bit bias. Didn’t mean to insult you tho
I think to be honest, this is a fight that is just impossible to say which one would win, because you are talking about two fictional beings that use powers completely asymmetric to each other, it's almost like superman v Voldemort, so whilst its fun to imagine it's not even a thing
Vader can sense the presence of anyone with power which means Vader would have the surprise advantage and first attack. Vader could blow up the planet where Voldermort resides. Vader could choke Voldermort using the force from a long range camera view. Voldemort would quickly be crippled and imprisoned by Vader and that's if Vader was feeling generous.
@@NTJedi He can sense the presence of anyone with power in the force. Someone with political or magical power he cannot sense.
@@elmercy4968 Voldermort can't even win a fight against teenagers with less experience of similar abilities whereas Darth Vader eliminates many powerful enemies from many different galaxies.
The equivalent of a butterfly (Voldermort ) trying to fight an eagle (Darth Vader).
@@NTJedi Both of your statements are inaccurate
@@gardoc1669 You clearly haven't watched any of the Harry Potter movies or the Star Wars movies. Stop getting brainwashed from fan-made content.
If anyone thinks Voldemort will win is crazy. Whatever Voldemort decides to dish out Darth Vader is already able to counter before he thinks of doing something. This fight isn’t close, it’s like putting a spider vs a lion.
The winner is whoever takes the more aggressive move first. Who realizes the threat across from them first and decides not to toy with their food? Voldy has an unblockable instakill up his sleeve, but he still has to be able to cast it, which Vader can easily prevent with a force choke.
However, the Force would give Ani foresight to his opponents’ thoughts, so Tom would have no chance to act.
Avada kedavra can easily be blocked or absorbed by a light saber or dodged and pushed away with the force how is that unblockable?
@@Bowger06 Yeah, I think force premonition is going to be the deciding factor.
Why didn’t you use clips from the obi wan kenobi series? They would be so good to show Vaders power
There's also one thing that would work against Voldemort in this match up. He's afraid of death, in Rebels, Kanan and Ezra feel a cold whenever Vader is around, and cold is typically associated with things like death. To Voldi, Vader is practically death itself as a living man.
But Voldemort had an army of dementors which could freeze the water with their presence
@@gardoc1669 Vader gives off a feeling of cold, just when he's in the room. Freezing water looks cool, but automatically sending literal shivers down someone's spine the second you step into the same room is a lot more frightening.
@@Scar-Predator Dementors also spread the aura of sadness, fear and despair around them. They literally feed on good feelings
@@gardoc1669 and Vader is a walking suit of armor. Which is creepier: hooded figure, or self moving armor?
@@Scar-Predator They both are scary. But in different ways. Vader is like a terminator who walks menacingly and slowly but never stops before completing his mission and dementors are more like the wild, supernatural, dark, demonical creatures that will drain every last drop of your soul giving you a fate worse than death
Voldemort, quite frankly, is one of the weakest, most pathetic Dark Lords EVER. Vader, Sidious, Sauron, Morgoth, Ganondorf, Dracula, all of these other Dark Lords easily outclass Voldemort in every category, from personal powers and abilities to the scopes of their armies and influence. Voldy WISHES he was in their league.
Bro lost a fight to a little kid. Anakin beat a whole temple of them.
@@BennyBoy025 That's crazy
@@dragonflyerzx8465Not even the younglings survived ☹️
ganadwarf has lost so many times that he was being called out tor losing in wind waker… he is basically a punching bag… dracula manages to lose to an ordnary human… souron bring stupid enough to forge his power into a ring… why though..
@@exodiaexodus But in botw ganon totaled the world for 100 years. He basically won.
All I know Is I would hate facing either in combat...
Vader chokes him no diddy
Full diddy.
I don't know about what you said about Avada Kedavra not working on Vader. Most of the time it hits clothing, sometimes very thick, and still does its job. That said, Vader is fast enough to simply dodge it. You still got the right conclusion.
You don't need to bring up Darth Vader or Fire Lord Ozai in order to control Voldy. You just need a skilled sniper tucked 500m away and line of sight.
Wait did you just say "at at"
indeed he did because he doesn't understand how abriviations work.
As kids in the 70's and 80's we ALL called them at at's. Even the toy commercials called 'em at at's not ay tee ay tee's
@@darthoblivion2615then you’re all wrong lmao. It’s A T A T. You pronounce all letters of an acronym individually.
@@Quantum_Magnus yes, I know that. As a child, me and many others didn't know any better and called 'em at at's. There was even a toy commercial that said it that way. Just sayin'
Well, since Rogue One it is canon "AT AT". At the beach, one called "AT AT" in the battle as the walkers came.
If Vader can pull fu**ing star destroyer, I like to think that he can just squish Veldemort with the force
I wonder why he didn’t do that with the mon calamari ships…
Vader cant live without his suit, voldemort just simply uses accio helmet from across the galaxy and vader suffocates to death. Even if we’re assuming they’re in the same place, and vader just force chokes voldemort killing him. Voldemorts horcruxes keep him alive, and he goes into that vapor/misty state that he was in during the first 3 books & possesses vader and makes him stab himself in the heart with the lightsaber. Also who said anything about all spells being visual bolts? Something like impedimenta doesnt have bolts that he can deflect. Even if voldemort has no wand and cant speak, levicorpus solos vader. Nobody has magic and therefore cannot do the countercurse. He’s just left there hanging upside down until his blood cant leave his brain. Like you said voldemort is more versatile. I think this versatility gives him too many ways to target weak spots.
Accio is a very smart move in this situation. Unfortunately there are almost only Vader fanboys in the comments. 😆
@@elmercy4968 yeah, it's obvious most of them didn't read the HP books. Voldemort excellence is persuasion and moving on the shadows. Also, they're talking like he could die by choking 😂
Darth nihilus: hold my planet
Voldemort: avada kedavra!
Darth Vader: casually uses the force to redirect spell back
Voldemort: surprised pikachu face
I’m seeing some very misinformed comments saying Avada Kadavera could break the lightsaber if it tried to block. Based on what evidence? Lightsabers can reflect Turbolasers seen on AT-ATs. Luke once hijacked an AT-AT and tried using its guns on Vader. Didn’t work. The only confirmed things capable of shattering a lightsaber blade are pure cortosis and other lightsaber blades made from Synthetic crystals. Voldemort has neither. Remember the duel with dumbledore in the books, small statues shattered but most of the time it harmlessly bounced off solid objects. When lightning bolts hit statues, they tend to explode. A lightsaber can handle lightning bolts just fine, so it absolutely can take an avada kadavera.
But even if it could, Vader is not out of the fight. Destroy voledemort’a wand and 90% of his abilities are gone.
In case of avada kedavra it's just the way it works. Like the death note but concentrated into a beam. It ignores any durability and kills you like a console command in a game. It always kills whatever it hits (unless you're in a very specific circumstances like Harry was). But if the target can't die because it's inanimate it simply destroys. Like the statues you mentioned that shattered into thousand pieces. Like the table that was incinerated upon the contact. As you see, for different types of objects different types of damage were done depending on the most effective way to destroy it.
And even if lightsaber is somehow capable of surviving this, there're lots of other spells that 100% ignore the durability. Like transfiguration that can turn lightsaber into a banana. Or evanesco that erases the object from existence. It's even possible to enchant the lightsaber to attack it's owner like Grindelwald once did to aurors' wands. Combining this with the multiplying charm and you have an army of flying laser swords attacking Vader.
And about "Destroy voledemort’a wand and 90% of his abilities are gone" - this is not true. Voldemort is a master of wandless magic. He can do a lot of stuff even without a wand
@@gardoc1669reported for misinformation
@@axinhedgelion8417 lol
@@gardoc1669 here is the key thing though, it would have to hit the hilt, not the blade, and no force user is going to use the hilt of the saber to block. The blade is just pure energy, Avada Kedavara isn't doing anything to the blade.
And on top of that, Vader has precog, meaning he can see attacks before they are coming, its a basic force user ability that even untrained force users have shown some capability in. Meaning vader could very easily rip Voldy's wand away before he even has a chance to use a spell, then force choke him before he has a chance to use wandless magic. Vader stomps because of how OP force precog is.
@@ryuukeisscifiproductions1818 As i said, if avada kedavra touches something that means the object will be destroyed one way or another. It's hard to say what will happen, maybe the blade will disappear like from cortosis weapons, maybe the whole saber will explode but it will be destroyed anyways. And like i said even if we forget about avada kedavra there are dozens of ways to get rid of the lightsaber. Voldemort can literally just snap his fingers and turn it into a stick without his wand or any projectiles to dodge or block.
And yes, precognition is strong but not op. Force users were caught off guard many times. Vader might have "a bad feeling about this", feel some disturbances in the Force and sense the oncoming danger but he won't be able to identify the exact effect from each spell and how to counter it correctly. It's not an omniscience. Mace Windu wasn't able to predict that Anakin was about to betray him. The whole Jedi order wasn't able to predict the order 66 etc. Even Anakin himself wasn't able to predict that Obi Wan is trying to bait him into jumping to cut off his limbs. So i doubt that Vader will be prepared for every single spell Voldemort has especially because this is something completely new and unexpected for him
Man, I'm not gonna get too deep into this because I really don't have a dog in this argument either way, but I JUST need to tell you, you have a VERY... "basic, rudimentary" idea of how the Unforgivable Curses work.
Chiefly referring to "Crucio," or the "Cruciatus Curse," and Avadakedavra. The Cruciatus is more than just the biological-level of pain that Vader would feel from his wounds, it's deliberately crafted as a Spell to make you feel, "Pain beyond imagining," but also to prevent you from blacking out, which would be the mind's natural defense-mechanism from pain overload.
And 2, the whole, "Avadakedavra needs to connect with flesh to work." No... No it doesn't. If you're wearing a suit of armor, or a kevlar vest, or you ductape a bunch of phone-books to your body, it doesn't matter. It's no different than getting struck by lightning while wearing a kevlar vest. If the spell hits whatever is on you, it goes THROUGH that and it severs your soul from your body without causing any physical damage. It just KILLS. It IS "deaths touch" in spell-form. Vader wearing his machine-suit or mechanical body-parts of any kind would not make a difference.
Other than that, interesting video.
someone speaking facts finally
Yes! I thought the exact same thing, especially about Crucio. It would definitely not just feel "like a tickle" to Vader. Vader would probably still withstand it through sheer willpower, but it would hurt him a lot, just like it does for everyone else. I'm not saying Voldemort would win, but pretending he could do nothing to Vader is also wrong.
Yea until Vader snaps his neck it would literally take him 2 seconds in rogue one he broke a rebels neck easily with the force and he can do that much faster then Voldemort can mutter Avada Kedavra and even if he did Vader would just block it
@@charlieluth6185 "Block it" how? Genuinely curious. Also "Non-Verbal Spell-Casting" is well within Voldemort's abilities.
@@xXImikoXx spells are tangible objects Vader deflects tangible lasers either his light saber all the time it was get deflected or absorbed easily also Vader doesn’t need to speak or make any gestures like Voldemort would have to do Voldemort would just be choked
Major W for Danco!!!! If you’re coming to the comments to say Voldemort wins you’re insane. Vader can see the future during battles and would predict his every move before he makes it, not that he’d make any moves because Vader starts this fight with a force choke immediately and kills him off rip. Only way to stop from being rag dolled with the force is to also be an equal or close force user and be protect yourself with your invisible force barrier
just because you can see the moves coming doesn't mean you can stop them… otherwise how did vader lose t0 luke?
I agree with your conclusion, that Vader beats Voldemort fairly easily, but I'm not sure I agree with your reasoning. You seemed to assume that Vader would shrug off the killing curse, but I don't remember any instance of the killing curse being blocked by armor or of wizards even trying to use armor against the killing curse (and it's not like they didn't have it, Hogwarts had suits of armor all over the place that were used purely decoratively). Dragons and giants were stated to resist curses because of inherent magic resistance and I don't think we can assume that force resistance equates to magic resistance at all.
Meanwhile, you gave Voldemort the advantage in range, but Vader has used his powers across interplanetary distances before. I think Vader wins because he's faster, has better sensory abilities and doesn't need a wand to cast. He'd be smart enough to not try to tank a bolt of strange green energy if he didn't have to. Voldemort's ability to combat teleport might give him some trouble, but not enough that Voldy stands a real chance imo.
Vader uses the Force to brake the Wand then there's nothing Voldemort can do so Vader just force chokes him to death or chops him with his lightsaber easy win for Vader and anything Voldemort shoots at Vader can just be force pushed back and make Voldemort hit himself
wandless magic: exists
Who came to the comments to find someone defending Voldemort 😂
Me
@@ARJDReacts Me too
Though voldemort can apparate around, which could give him an advantage and he can use the disintegration curse that Molly Weasly used against Bellatrix lestrange, which could destroy biology and technology.
Exactly
@@Wes_Bradley-Taubner this vid is abt canon vader.
Yeah, and any types of shields Vader does are useless because voldemort can use an anti shield spell
Anakin was not the most powerful lol. He never reached his full Potential.
He only unleashed his full power once and that was on Mortis when he brought down the daughter of light and son of darkness to their knees, something that only the chosen one with power beyond anyone else in the galaxy could do. Bro was unfortunately far away from reaching his full potential, but when needed, he could unleash it in seconds. It's so messed up that he could never train to truly become the chosen one. The council really did hold him back.
@@Deyone_Jackson did the council held him back or did their knowledge and capacities to train him to his full potential weren't as complete.
if your teacher give you everything he knew you can't blame him for retaining knowledge he doesn't hold.
@@valentinlageot4101 the council didn't trust him so i doubt they were trying to get him to his full potential...
*4:48* yeah i remember that from lego star wars the freemakers
No spell, is getting through Vader's force shield (it's cannon, which is why one force user can't force choke another in the middle of a fight, both parties have their force shield at full strength while fighting)
No way Voldemort's lightning is even a FIFTH as strong as Palpatine's force lightning and would easily be deflected/absorbed by Vader's saber
Darth Vader's hatred isn't entirely his own, it's him channelling the dark side of the force and using his emotions to fuel him in a very different way than a non force sensitive. Every negative emotion Vader has allows him a greater connection to and in turn a greater way to channel the Dark side of the force. Voldemort's evil is his own, that of a human being. As far as I know, magic isn't an all binding force that flows through us all, but even if it were, or even you could equate all of Voldemort's magic affinity, to Vader's force affinity, it's NO CONTEST. Vader doesn't smile, Vader doesn't laugh, when he cracks jokes, it's to make him FEAR you, not to make either one of you laugh, He doesn't experience ANY positive emotion, EVER. The ONLY TIME We have EVER seen Darth Vader even RESEMBLE any sort of happiness was with his fight with Obi wan during the Kenobi TV show, and the ONLY reason is he smiling, is because he is about to commit murder and revenge. It was a fleeting moment of not joy, but accomplishment, as he was standing in front of his old Jedi master with the dark side RAGING throughout every body part he had left. Voldemort has been known to smile, laugh has emotions aside from anger and hate, and is just an all around inferior combatant to any dark side user, let alone Darth Vader. That Vader doesn't count anyway, as he's not the Vader that George Lucas Envisioned, even though they are both the same in terms of power if you aren't accounting for EU Vader, who is even stronger than either of the other two vaders.
Vader could force choke Voldemort before he even walked into the arena lmao
Vader's suit was built to be vulnerable to force lightning
@@Richtofen-gy9cj Vaders SUIT, not his body. Jedi, Sth AND vader himself (if you are including the EU) have been known to deflect force lighting with their saber.
His suit was built to be sensitive to PALPATINE'S force lightning, which had surpassed lightning and become sith storm, in every continuity. Even Dooku level force lightning would be nothing for vader, as long as he had his saber, and even so he can use the force to deflect it before it gets to him.
I literally addressed this. Don't reply to a comment when you haven't read it, no matter how long it may be.
Considering that lightning attacks and even the unforgivable killing curse green bolt can be blocked by objects or dodged make them ineffective against a fully powered Darth Vader with telekineses and his lightsaber being guided to superhuman lvls by the force.
Wasn’t Harry Potter able to block the Avada Kadavra from Voldemort with a Expelliarmus spell?
That was because of the connection between Voldemort and Harry. and the wands were brothers (had feathers as cores from the same phoenix). So that was a very special situation and not the norm.
@@waldimort453 Oh yeah. I think I remember that now. 👍
@@waldimort453 And the second time it happened, Voldemort was using Lucius' wand, and Harry's had absorbed a lot of power from Voldemort's one in the end of Book 4. The third and final time they fought, Voldy was using the Elder Wand whose true owner was Harry, and thus AV wouldn't work correctly against Harry - the wand could not be made to fatally attack its own master. In each case, very particular magic was involved that got around the AV being "unblockable".
Harry Potter was made for teen agers. The mindset is totally immature in so many ways.
Star Wars was for more mature, adult at least, audiences.
@@redfaux74Not really, Disney wrote Star Wars in a way that is easy for children to understand. They really advertise it and tailor their products to children. Of course there are dark and deep corners in Star Wars that are more for adults, but you usually have to look at comics and similar media that are not so popular and even there a lot of it is suitable for children.
and Harry Potter also has enough deep and dark moments, it's just not that big of a franchise in terms of material so you probably don't see it as well. What's particularly well done is that it becomes more and more adult the closer you get to the end, which is well done.
Apart from that, I honestly don't know what it has to do with the discussion Voldemort vs Darth Vader as to whether a franchise was produced more for younger or older people.
Voldemort should theoretically avoid losing by Apparition though if he apparatus far enough
If you implement the principles of blood magic from Harry Potter, a wizard or witch could use Vader’s blood and end him from across the galaxy.
does vader even have blood after all the obi wan fight? even if he did it would probably be someone elses
@@kaitou1412kid I think he does. He should have some to be alive yk?
Everybody ganster until Vadar catches the killing curse with his bare fucking hands
Vader was also an expert at the Force Technique, Force Absorb. It allows him to absorb energy, or elemental attacks, and be used to refuel their own energies.
TWO WORDS: Force crush
Voldemort has horcruxes
He needs to destroy it
@@fisheaterTed There are many force empowered weapons and artifacts in star wars, as well as creatures that are basically the basilisk in star wars. Furthermore Im sure that if you chucked it into a black hole, if it does not destroy them for what ever reason. Then voldemort would be trapped eternally in that thing. And that is assuming the force won't work or sith alchemy.
Vader would go after them without hesitation.... especially because one of them is a child.
Vader has Death Star
We’re talking about normal Voldemort, without horcruxes
A lot of people out here sleeping on Voldemort. As a serious fan of both Star Wars and Harry Potter.. I don’t know how yall are glazing Vader so hard in this battle.
Yes.. Vader can force choke from range.. but Voldemort can break Vader’s mind with Occlumency from anywhere as well.
Vader can move things with the force, grab voldermort’s wand for example, but.. Voldemort can do the same with magic.. and he doesn’t require a wand for magic either.. in the books it is stated he had become proficient at wandless magic.
What it really comes down to for me.. is Voldermort could use a singular spell to end Vader instantly.. and no.. Vader could not block Avada Kedavra with a lightsaber.. it is an unblockable spell with the exception of Lily’s sacrifice of love.. something Vader could not do.. Vader might dodge the spell a couple times.. but eventually.. he’ll get tagged. Just one singular spell and Vader is done..
And Vader would be required to hunt down and destroy 7 different horcruxes before even attempting to take on Voldermort.. even if Vader literally destroyed voldermorts body.. broke his wind pipe, cut him in half.. cut him into small pieces even.. eventually Cildermort comes back and hunts him down unless Vader hunts down the horcruxes.. and that’s assuming he even has access to that sort of info..
I just don’t see a plausible way Vader wins in the long run..
And he would be lucky just to win in a singular duel..
Avadakada-- (violent chocking noises) gets impaled by lightsaber
First thing, the matchup is dependent on how the force and magic interact. To make the matchup fair, they'd need to be able to block each other. With that assumption, I think Vader would have the edge in a fight, but Voldemort's Horcruxes would give him multiple chances. So while Voldemort might not win the first fight, he would eventually be able to get his revenge (most likely). But there's no telling how a combat will go - a stronger fighter can lose to a weaker one.
Yah, the horcruxes turn what could be a simple one on one into something much more involved. You'd have to find all six of then and destroy them. That and they're rather resilient. As for "blasters use plasma, plasma hot!" There are different kinds of resilience, and it'd be a toss up whether the technology of blasters actually worked or not. Just because something is tough or destructive in its own universe doesn't mean it would destroy/ survive a different universe's material/process. Which fans always seem to forget.
@@adams13245 Actually in star wars it might be easier to destroy the horcruxes than in harry potter. with the force vader could sense the bits of voldermorts soul, then used sith alchemy if his saber did not work, a turbo laser did not work, and failing that chuck it into a black hole.
@@MyAramilhorcruxs are only capable of being harmed by few substances and they are enchanted to be indestructible otherwise. Without those specific hp magics, there's no way for them to even harm it.
Ozai is better matchup for voldy
Ozai is mad underestimated😓
it’s the same curbstomp except this time ozai is taking the L, sozin’s comet makes a difference but I feel he would die either way as he has no way to defend against magic attacks
Voldemort kept losing to a little kid. Vader slaughtered Jedi for over 20 years
nah he didn't slaughter them, he toyed with them before brutally killing them and their families
@@TanosProductionswhich, one could argue, is FAR worse
how about just use a spell to take off his armor? he seems kinda useless without it
I like the people that have takes where it isn't an easy answer. Because, let's be honest, it isn't. One thing I don't like is the whole thing of being accused of being a fan boy, if you favor one possible outcome. Like the people trying to cope by saying that people who think Vader would win are just fanboys, regardless of their arguments.
I think this gets complex depending on how powers interact. Like, what does casting a spell look like to a Force user? I'd argue that it would be a pretty major disturbance in the Force, and thus if they weren't careful, a wizard would be telegraphing their moves months in advance. Another argument is blood magic, or Accio. I don't know how long a range Accio has, but I don't think it would be that far. But given how it's not used for certain things, that implies that there are limits besides range. So, I don't think Voldemort could just Accio Vader's helmet. Another wrinkle is the whole casting spells. Can that be deflected? Is there a type of vector that magic travels through, and if so, what is it? It seems like most kinds of offensive spells require line of sight, so that is something to consider.
Another variable is how much prep time is allowed, and how the fight occurs. If it's a sudden chance meeting that turns into a fight, Voldemort then has a chance of winning. It's small, but it is there. Surprising an opponent with abilities outside of their normal context can be devastating, but this applies both ways. This applies to any fighter, which is why the best ones have their guard up at all times. Along this vein, I have seen some What If... fanart for an ILM contest that shows Vader being offed by a random rebel soldier who presumably bum rushed him and managed to land a lucky hit. This is something that can happen to anybody or anything in a fight. For example, the torpedo hit that crippled the Bismarck during WW2. A lucky hit in just the right spot at just the right time. So, from that standpoint, Voldemort has a very small chance. But it would be an insane stroke of luck.
However, if there is time to do research, Voldemort is screwed. Vader has many more avenues to figure out things about Voldemort, but the reverse does not apply.
And than there is the issue of skill and experience. Voldemort is more of a terrorist or a serial killer. Vader has proven himself to be a one man army at his best. This is something that comes up frequently in Death Battle!, a channel dedicated to exactly these sorts of matchups. What you have are cases where one opponent is the most powerful in their respective setting, who might not have had to push themselves that hard in a fight because they can overwhelm pretty much anyone in the setting. And then you have them face off against an opponent who has had to fight several other characters who are at or maybe even above their power level. A perfect example of this is the fight between Omni-Man and Homelander. Spoilers ahead, for that Death Battle! episode, Invincible, and The Boys. Stop reading now if you don't want spoilers.
Homelander is the most powerful super in the world of The Boys, and so he can stomp pretty much anyone, which leaves him lacking in skills in fighting someone even at his level. Omni-Man, on the other hand, is a Viltrumite, and comes from a planet where everyone is as strong as he is. Even better, Viltrumite society is very much survival of the fittest, dog eat dog brutality. So, not only do you have to be strong, you have to be smart and skilled in order to survive. And you'd be constantly fighting other people who have your level of powers, so you can't expect to just tank things. And then there is the experience. On top of all that, Omni-Man has been conquering planets for possibly thousands of years. He's had all kinds of things thrown at him, and come out on top. So, on top of having much higher levels of power, Omni-Man knows how to use it. Which he does, effortlessly stomping Homelander.
Darth Vader is the same way. As Anakin, he was trained by the Jedi since he was nine years old. He fought through the Clone Wars, on the front lines. And then he served as Palpatine's attack dog for almost 20 years, facing off against everything from rebels to bounty hunters to Imperial super soldier experiments to fugitive Jedi. He has had to do much more than Voldemort ever did, which gives him far more experience. This doesn't guarantee a win, but it is a massive advantage. The only way for Voldemort to win is to get insanely lucky, but that isn't likely, given that Underdog Luck™ doesn't usually apply to villains.
But, that's why I think Vader would win. Of course, if Vader was not in the mood to get his hands dirty, he could simply target the Riddle mansion with a turbolaser from the Executor, and turn it into a glassed crater. No more Lord Doltmover, no more Death Eaters. Things get a lot easier when your personal ship is a 19 kilometer long arrowhead composed of pure Tarkin Doctrine.