PowerResin Burn & Dark Castable Resin, How Does it Cast?

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  • @GomeowCreations
    @GomeowCreations  3 года назад +7

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  • @briansaban3849
    @briansaban3849 3 года назад +25

    A few tips: 1. The holes (Porosity) are from one of two things, when you cast silver you should be using at least 50% casting grain with your old silver. 2. Make sure you are giving your flask at least 10 mins to cool before shocking it in the water. Also on castings of this size, you really only need one sprue per piece. Makes clean up much easier. I use their resin with my Form 2 and while it works well, I get a lot of shrinkage, I'm curious if your ring sizes shrunk? Casting is all about finding the right temps, from molten metal, to cast temp when pouring to cooling before shocking. It takes a while to dial everything in, but once you find it life is pretty easy.

    • @GomeowCreations
      @GomeowCreations  3 года назад +7

      Thanks for all the info and I will have to check the shrinkage.

    • @Tatsumaki7
      @Tatsumaki7 3 года назад +1

      1. You're saying to make at least 50% be fresh silver? That would help?
      2. Resin is causing shrinking or the silver?

    • @briansaban3849
      @briansaban3849 3 года назад +3

      @@Tatsumaki7 yes you should never use 100% scrap. It cause porosity in the cast. As far as shrinkage, it’s the resin.

    • @Tatsumaki7
      @Tatsumaki7 3 года назад

      @@briansaban3849 have you found a work around or a better resin?

    • @briansaban3849
      @briansaban3849 3 года назад +2

      @@Tatsumaki7 I tend to size it after printing. I always print my rings on the smaller size and sand the resin print before casting. I have a form 2 and heard good things about there new resin with much more wax in it. I’m hoping it’s better than there last castable resins.

  • @jimmystahl6823
    @jimmystahl6823 3 года назад +7

    The holes you got are usually because of oxygen that's dissolved in the silver, when it solidifies, the gas falls out of solution, forming holes. Using some fresh silver in the cast helps minimise the issue. Casting grain usually has some zinc in it to help with the castability, which burns off when you remelt it repeatedly.

  • @alessiobovo5997
    @alessiobovo5997 3 года назад +8

    Hi. i look, and the things I can say is about you burn out in oven: you need make some stop point. 1 step 100° for 1 hour, 2° step 1 hour at 400°, 3° step 750° for 3 hours and then go to temperature casting. Why this step? 1° step for remove totally the water, make completely dry the gypsum, 2° step for make osmogenes the temperature in to the flask. This is may way to cast since 20 years. By the way, nice video, and honestly good result.

  • @jeka7124
    @jeka7124 Год назад +1

    What lubricant do you use when casting flasks?

  • @Tatsumaki7
    @Tatsumaki7 3 года назад +5

    I also wanted to ask. Have you tried making a silicone mold of the piece that comes out of the printer? That way you could just pour wax in a silicone mold instead of having to print new pieces with the expensive resin. Or would that yield a less accurate piece?

  • @grantballard4362
    @grantballard4362 Год назад +1

    Which investment do you use for that quick of a burnout??

  • @Tatsumaki7
    @Tatsumaki7 3 года назад +6

    I would love to see more of the clean up process. How'd did you end up filling the holes and how were you able to get that fine line out? It seems like it was in a tight spot

  • @benlevitt5017
    @benlevitt5017 3 года назад +4

    I have a feeling that the holes are coming from leftover wax. Maybe a higher burnout temperature is needed to melt all the dark wax?

  • @embeddedunit4276
    @embeddedunit4276 2 года назад +1

    I have investment powder that the burnout cycle on it takes around 18 hours. I was just following the manufacturers data sheet. What investment do you use to burnout at 4 hours? and do you think that too short of a burnout time might cause inclusions etc? Thanks.

  • @EdGuyer
    @EdGuyer 3 года назад +2

    Nice work! I like how you go over what goes wrong. Keeps me from thinking it is just me when I try things for the first time. Your hands take on a personality of their own. Have you ever thought about doing a video while wearing a sock puppet?

    • @GomeowCreations
      @GomeowCreations  3 года назад +2

      Lol yeah my hands are a problem. It looks like a lot more movement due to how close I do everything with filming. I'm also talking on the spot with no scripts so I have to think, talk and shoot all the the same time haha

  • @DontAskHowIGotIt
    @DontAskHowIGotIt 3 года назад +4

    will you be doing any wax carving? it's my preferred method and everyone I teach Loves it.

    • @GomeowCreations
      @GomeowCreations  3 года назад +2

      Whenever I have the time to learn how to do it 😅

  • @George-ew3gx
    @George-ew3gx 3 года назад +1

    What burnout schedule do use for this resin and small flask? Thanks in advance

  • @vladmohilny2985
    @vladmohilny2985 2 года назад

    HI! Tanx for the video! Do you have a video how to solder holes that you have got?

  • @alidk
    @alidk 2 года назад +1

    Im new on this work...I have a question how can I bubble out and remove the hole on dark resin casting with gold?
    I appreciate for your reply🙏

    • @GomeowCreations
      @GomeowCreations  2 года назад +1

      I don't understand what you are asking 😅

    • @alidk
      @alidk 2 года назад

      @@GomeowCreations why my project have some hole after casting?
      I wanna remove the hole on my ring and make my project smoother?
      Sorry Im not english person😂

  • @sancakli454
    @sancakli454 2 года назад +1

    Hey great vid! I thought burnout cycle took 13 hours but yours took only 5 hours if I understood correctly. Why is that?

  • @rakeshteli3744
    @rakeshteli3744 3 года назад +1

    i have centrifugal casting machine so , how much time i need for burnout cycle????

    • @GomeowCreations
      @GomeowCreations  3 года назад +1

      I would thing it would be the same amount not of time seeing that you are using the same flash and materials are getting burnt out the same.

  • @bloodlust283
    @bloodlust283 3 года назад +2

    I’m fairly new to this so my questions are during the burnout cycle does the flask need to be suspended off the bottom of the burnout kiln? And if so what do you use to suspend it? One more question please will the wax or resin harm the bottom of the kiln or is there anything I should use to catch the wax/resin if so what should I buy to catch the wax/resin?

    • @GomeowCreations
      @GomeowCreations  3 года назад +3

      You don't have to suspend it but it will help the gas/smoke to get out and away from the part.
      You can get some metal screen things to catch the wax/resin but I haven been able to find some that is small enough to fit in my kiln. It might damage the floor over time just I have done a lot of burn out not and the most it has done is changed the color in spots but in the next burn out it will be gone.

  • @wilsiebobwilson4698
    @wilsiebobwilson4698 2 года назад

    Are you washing/curing the castable print with denatured alcohol or isopropanol alcohol?
    Or is this just for the non castable print before?
    Thanks im advance

  • @giuseppeguzzardi9658
    @giuseppeguzzardi9658 3 года назад +1

    Hi, about the Burn resin, please do you know if I have I to do the IPL bath to wash the print at the end? And also does need to be cured?

    • @GomeowCreations
      @GomeowCreations  3 года назад +1

      ipl? and you dont have to cure them ore but you can if you want to clean them up or sand them.

    • @giuseppeguzzardi9658
      @giuseppeguzzardi9658 3 года назад

      TNX, and sorry was IPA ;O)

  • @andrescelispatarroyo
    @andrescelispatarroyo 3 года назад

    GOOD VIDEO FRIEND THANKS FOR A LOT OF HELP, I WANTED TO ASK YOU HOW MANY HOURS DO YOU LEAVE THE RESIN IN THE OVEN?

  • @juniorjp5619
    @juniorjp5619 2 года назад +1

    I still haven't gotten a successful print from the dark resin. and I have a elegoo mars pro, tried every settings and still no good anyone can help

    • @GomeowCreations
      @GomeowCreations  2 года назад +1

      What is failing?

    • @juniorjp5619
      @juniorjp5619 2 года назад +1

      @@GomeowCreations nvm i got it to work. thank you very much. one last thing where can I get that brown wax that you connected to your spru tree ??

    • @GomeowCreations
      @GomeowCreations  2 года назад +1

      So it doesn't need to be the brown wax that I was using just something but here is a link.
      amzn.to/3bqmAAO

  • @Cap_Laberinto
    @Cap_Laberinto 3 года назад +1

    Hello, i found your video super usefull since i´m looking forward to invest in one resin printer (for jewelry purposes) thanks a lot for showing how this works. You got yourself a new sub.

    • @GomeowCreations
      @GomeowCreations  3 года назад +1

      No problem and I'm happy to be able to help. Also welcome to the channel 😊👍

  • @AdventuresofGonggaming
    @AdventuresofGonggaming 3 года назад +1

    Love your work

  • @tb2267
    @tb2267 3 года назад +1

    Another awesome video, thank you! What type of investment plaster do you use? I noticed that your initial burnout cycle (other video) was longer than this one - was that a different plaster? Thanks!

  • @JayDub_143
    @JayDub_143 3 года назад +1

    Pretty interesting. Those ring designs are super cool!!! Thanks for sharing!!

  • @douglasrohman6191
    @douglasrohman6191 3 года назад +2

    Do you let the wax just melt onto the floor of your kiln?

  • @707Von
    @707Von 3 года назад +1

    Thanks for the video, I’ve only used PR Dark for my products and have not been disappointed when I got my settings right, as you mentioned in the video it’s pretty expensive, any suggested alternatives with a lower price point? Thanks again for the videos!

    • @GomeowCreations
      @GomeowCreations  3 года назад +1

      Sadly that is about the standard price for this kind of resin. 😅

  • @julia77876
    @julia77876 3 года назад +1

    do you think a difference could also be the printers? is one better than the other ?

    • @GomeowCreations
      @GomeowCreations  3 года назад +1

      What do you mean?

    • @julia77876
      @julia77876 3 года назад +1

      ​@@GomeowCreations is the ELEGOO better than the any cubic ? I am looking into getting a printer for jewellery but I dont know which is better for castings, does it make a difference?

    • @GomeowCreations
      @GomeowCreations  3 года назад +1

      They are very similar to be honest at least the Elegoo mars 2 pro and the Anycubic mono. It could really come down do you like red or yellow haha.
      When it comes to the newer printers like the Mars 3 4k and the Anycubic mono 4k it might be a very similar thing as well but I haven't tried the Anycubic one yet so I don't know for sure.
      What is your budget for a printer?

    • @julia77876
      @julia77876 3 года назад +1

      ​@@GomeowCreations probably around 400$ I know the mars 2 pro is 400 but the any cubic is cheaper I think, are they both good with a variety of resin brands?

    • @GomeowCreations
      @GomeowCreations  3 года назад +1

      Yes they are both good with different brands. Also what country are you in? I only ask because the Mars 2 pro is much cheaper than $400

  • @oOAjjOo
    @oOAjjOo 3 года назад +2

    My elegoo always fails my prints because they dont stick to the build plate. I'm using the burn version of power resin. Any tips?

    • @GomeowCreations
      @GomeowCreations  3 года назад +1

      What settings are you using for the bottom layers?

    • @oOAjjOo
      @oOAjjOo 3 года назад +1

      The reccomended settings, but then I turned them up even higher. I did successfully get of like 2 sets of prints but it is never consistent.

    • @oOAjjOo
      @oOAjjOo 3 года назад +1

      30s exposure time and 160 second bottom layer exposure. I'm sure the issue is just that they keep falling from the build plate. And I leveled it correctly I'm pretty sure.

    • @GomeowCreations
      @GomeowCreations  3 года назад +2

      That is a very long time. Are you using the mars v1 or the one with the mono screen?

    • @oOAjjOo
      @oOAjjOo 3 года назад +1

      I'm using the elegoo mars pro, the exact same one as you. Should I reduce to exposure time?

  • @Saywhatohno
    @Saywhatohno 3 года назад

    WHich bits/files did you use to clean off the piece after casting?

  • @sportingem
    @sportingem 3 года назад +1

    Is Aqua Ivory castable?

  • @sekatorck373
    @sekatorck373 3 года назад +1

    Very nice castings. What is the investment plaster name?

    • @GomeowCreations
      @GomeowCreations  3 года назад +2

      This is what I have been using amzn.to/38U0JNH

    • @DavidSoGood
      @DavidSoGood 11 месяцев назад

      did you ever use it? @sekatorck373 does it work well??

  • @elidari60
    @elidari60 3 года назад +1

    Nice video thank you very much I need some help I’m trying to buy a 4K printer for casting jewelry any recommendation will be appreciate it looking forward to your respond thank you again Eli

    • @GomeowCreations
      @GomeowCreations  3 года назад +1

      The only 4k one that I really know of that is not over $3k is the Phrozen Sonic Mini 4k amzn.to/2Qj8aaF

  • @Darkknight39
    @Darkknight39 3 года назад +1

    Hey is there a place I can contact to you to ask some questions?

  • @BenBlankenshipvo
    @BenBlankenshipvo 3 года назад +4

    Love your videos... Music is a bit loud though.

  • @luisdaniel9902
    @luisdaniel9902 3 года назад +1

    Did you wash and cure 3D resin model??

  • @jeffalessi
    @jeffalessi 3 года назад +1

    Have you calculated the castable resin cost per one of your larger rings and if so what is the average per ring? Thank you and have a most awesome day!

    • @GomeowCreations
      @GomeowCreations  3 года назад +2

      I have but I honestly don't remember. I think it was like $0.30 but you can load your files into the software and tell it how much your resin was and it will tell you how much it is going to cost in resin.

    • @jeffalessi
      @jeffalessi 3 года назад +2

      @@GomeowCreations I am surprised the cost is so little since the bottle is $300.00. Thank you for taking the time to answer all of my questions.

    • @GomeowCreations
      @GomeowCreations  3 года назад +4

      That was just for 1 ring lol. Also I have some new resin that I'm testing that is much cheaper, like $80 per 1kg

    • @jeffalessi
      @jeffalessi 3 года назад

      @@GomeowCreations Wow, I am very curious to know more about the $80.00 castable resin!

    • @Ozzy2341
      @Ozzy2341 3 года назад

      @@GomeowCreations love love your videos, what is the cheapest priced resin that will work good with casting ? Thank you

  • @terabit.
    @terabit. 2 года назад +2

    You've decreased your "problem" somewhat! 🤣 It seems that this is your character so we have to love you as you are 🤣 (this does not mean that you don't have to improve in limiting the hand movements 😛. You've earned my first like!

    • @GomeowCreations
      @GomeowCreations  2 года назад +2

      Well thanks and check out my newest video so see how much I have changed my video shooting and editing style 😁👍

    • @terabit.
      @terabit. 2 года назад +1

      @@GomeowCreations

  • @shadowmihaiu
    @shadowmihaiu 3 года назад

    Hi! Love your channel. I bought some of your great work in the past and am very happy to have received it - the giftee was suitably impressed and honored. Serious question: as an artist and craftsman, would you recommend someone starting out who wants to make really nice creations in jewelry design to go with old-fashioned wax carving/casting or would you recommend 3D printing? Obviously, the 3D printing has several advantages one being that you can tap into a bunch of pre-existing designs, and another being that you don't have to be good at carving (though if you want to create original pieces you may have to become skilled at 3D modeling which itself has a steep learning curve). As an artist I kind of expect you to say start with the old fashioned way, which frankly I am thinking is the best way. But I also suspect you have a different perspective and I would love to hear it. Second question if it's not too much: what *basic* setup might you recommend to get into 3D printing for casting? Thank you!

  • @vitalianoguzman1880
    @vitalianoguzman1880 9 месяцев назад

    Thanks for sharing !

  • @thedapperandrawcompany8618
    @thedapperandrawcompany8618 3 года назад +1

    Great work

  • @tomgdownhill
    @tomgdownhill 3 года назад +2

    can't really take the results as a best case, due to using two different printers and settings..... invalid result... but a cool vid.

    • @GomeowCreations
      @GomeowCreations  3 года назад +3

      Each resin is needs it's worn print settings but has the same burnout. The Anycubic Mono and Mar Pro 2 are basically the same machine when it come to specs and I used the same slicer on both. So this should be fine 😅👍

  • @amygipple827
    @amygipple827 3 года назад +1

    Very cool!

  • @ThriftLife
    @ThriftLife 3 года назад +1

    Very cool

    • @GomeowCreations
      @GomeowCreations  3 года назад +1

      Thanks 😁👍

    • @ThriftLife
      @ThriftLife 3 года назад +1

      @@GomeowCreations i imagine your very busy and get many emails a day, but i did respond to you about the rolling mill. just wanted to let ya know

    • @GomeowCreations
      @GomeowCreations  3 года назад +1

      I know and I will get to it when I can. I'm getting all my tax info together right now so that is the only thing I'm doing and working on 😅 I will get back to you when I'm done with it.

    • @ThriftLife
      @ThriftLife 3 года назад +1

      @@GomeowCreations okay no problem, just wanted to make sure the email had gone through. ttys

  • @ADFKJewellery
    @ADFKJewellery 2 года назад

    Keep the music!

  • @WintedTindows1
    @WintedTindows1 3 года назад +1

    can i hire you to teach me some stuff? lol

  • @kevinharries9513
    @kevinharries9513 8 месяцев назад

    I come here looking for credible answers but find an amature doing a product test with not much knowledge.. leave us all with more questions.n

  • @charlesballard5251
    @charlesballard5251 3 года назад +1

    You seriously need to cut the music out completely. Don't just turn it down, GET RID OF IT!!!!

    • @GomeowCreations
      @GomeowCreations  3 года назад +1

      Yeah I got a lot of people complaining about music seeing that everyone has different likes and dislikes. I have stopped putting music in my main videos. This video is about 6mounths old now so I can really edit the music out. 😅

  • @HunterValleyDan
    @HunterValleyDan 2 года назад +1

    Hi. First time watching your channel. Great work, but I have one criticism. Playing music in the background while you are speaking doesn't work. Especially the way it was mixed, as it made it nearly impossible to hear what you are saying. If what you're saying is important then leave the music out, or just play music if you feel you have to. Not both.
    For some reason creators seem to think they have to play music with their videos. Personally, I would rather just watch you work in silence and speaking when needed rather than listen to a creators taste in music. Is your channel a 'creative' or music channel? Just sayin'

    • @GomeowCreations
      @GomeowCreations  2 года назад +1

      I have cut just about all music from my videos about a year ago now 😁👍 check out my newest casting video to see how things have changed ruclips.net/video/t2H_lV8IOyY/видео.html

  • @prospectvic
    @prospectvic 3 года назад +1

    Your background music is drowning your voice out

    • @GomeowCreations
      @GomeowCreations  3 года назад +1

      At what point?

    • @prospectvic
      @prospectvic 3 года назад

      @@GomeowCreations , i think if you just tone your music back just a little it will be fine.

    • @GomeowCreations
      @GomeowCreations  3 года назад +1

      I found the point you are talking about it's 1:26 to 2:33 I looked in my editing software and it's a audio clip that was meant to be deleted.... I can't do anything about this once it is uploaded to youtube with our deleting the video and reuploading it....

    • @prospectvic
      @prospectvic 3 года назад +1

      @@GomeowCreations thats kool, i like your clips, just saying, thats all. Keep those clips coming

  • @shadowmihaiu
    @shadowmihaiu 3 года назад +1

    Nice, thank you. But that music... please no.

    • @GomeowCreations
      @GomeowCreations  3 года назад +1

      What part of the music? All of it or just the part that I messed up on at 1:26 to 2:33 😅

    • @shadowmihaiu
      @shadowmihaiu 3 года назад +1

      @@GomeowCreations Honestly... I didn't notice anything messing up. I would say that if you want music, which isn't a bad idea, it should be very low key, not distracting and definitely not compete with the volume of your voice.

    • @GomeowCreations
      @GomeowCreations  3 года назад +1

      Yep that is what I mean for the messed up spot, it's not meant to have music there. It was a clip I cut and moved but forgot to delete... And I can't edit it out of the video after I upload it. 😅
      Also I will get make to you other question tomorrow 😁👍

  • @lucialopezmoreno6104
    @lucialopezmoreno6104 2 года назад

    n

  • @tracybowling97
    @tracybowling97 3 года назад +1

    I like watching ur videos. But the music & talking made me stop. It's way too hard to hear. Plus I hate music in youtube videos. I hope you take this advice in the caring way I meant it. I know RUclips is not as easy as everyone thinks it is.