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The Dangers of Full Preterism | With Dr. Samuel Frost (An Ex-Preterist).
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- Опубликовано: 31 мар 2024
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Thanks for this opportunity!
Great to have you!
Hi Sam, thanks for this video. I’m curious if you’ve ever heard of the dual fulfillment of a literal millenium theory before? Which would put the end of the second millenium (assuming Christ died AD30) 6 years in our future. Thanks.
This was fantastic. I thought Dr. Frost was reading my journals, lol. I've been on a similar path as him. This was an answer to prayer.
We are in the world but not of it. We who know Christ are in His Kingdom. I have heard so many preachers say they can't wait for Jesus to come back to make everything right. The problem with that is that He already has made everything right, but most people don't want to believe that. It's up to the church to be a light to the world. Hopefully with the power of the Holy Spirit we can be a light shining in the world.
Really enjoyed this interview. As someone who investigated FP while in the journey of partial Preterism, it’s nice to hear this.
Be wonderful to have him back and go over other eschatological passages!
Great to hear!
Problem number 1 with future eschatology. They’re all seeking earthly and material things on this earth. Exactly like the Pharisees but the kingdom comes without observation and you have to be able to discern spiritual things. Not earthly man made things.
Excellent discussion!
About the millennial issue, I was entertained years ago when one of our pastors said, "If you're wondering whether we are premillenial, postmillenial, amillenial, we have decided we are PANmillenial - it will all work out in the end."
It will, and, it’ll be Premil! (Rev 20).
Excellent interview with Dr. Sam Frost by MethodMinistries. Thank you for producing the video interview and allowing Dr. Frost to share his knowledge and wisdom on the subject of preterism. Blessings.
Glad you enjoyed it!
This is a helpful discussion.
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Here’s a helpful bottom line:
Dispensationalism is for people hell-bent on ignoring bible context, it is crazy.
And full preteristism is for people hell-bent on making one thousand years equal 40, which is also crazy and disrespectful to bible context.
Orthodox (partial) preterism of whatever variety is the only reasonable position. Bible eschatology is definitely NOT wrapped up yet, but left behind is for literalists who don’t like to admit OT symbolism exists.
Both full preterism and dispensationalism are two sides of the same coin, and both should be soundly refuted and rejected.
There, I fixed it for you :)
PRETERISTS take away from the words of the book of prophecy.
Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
@@qwerty-so6ml You mock the scriptures. Hell awaits you.
I’m very open minded, and i pray to be shown the truth, but nothing he said made me see scripture differently. Preterism makes the most sense to me.
Great discussion, thank you Dr. Frost, I am still working this end time out in my mind..waiting for the shout, and the voice of the archangel, either shortly or in the grave..
I have never heard that full preterists say don't go to church. Watch David Curtis. Gary demar is just working through the text. He is a brother in Christ. I'm not full preterist, but i can see the continuity of scripture and how full preterism makes sense.
I'm totally partial preterist. I seem to align more with Dr Harold Eberle's teaching since I have studied so many views most of my life. And Im almost 70 now. But I know Jesus is coming as stated in Jude 14-25, when I saw the vision so many years ago, of this scripture. I didn't even know the book of Jude was even in the Bible back then. So at the time it blew my mind. It seemed real because the entire corner of my room lit up in a bright glow. That voice quoting it and showing my open Bible that looked as huge as the glowing hand that held it. Ill never forget it.
I did an interview with Dr. Eberle recently!
Jude is quoting the book of Enoch but this book never been written by Enoch....
PRETERISTS take away from the words of the book of prophecy.
Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
@@qwerty-so6ml you surely miss the point this is dispensationalism :)
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PRETERISTS are taking away from the worst horror the world will see, when the earth shakes to and fro like a drunkard (Isaiah 24:20), as the pit is opened (Revelation 9:2) and the locusts are released (Joel 2:25).
John received the book of Revelation.
Yet, he was told that he would be coming back at the end.
Revelation 10:11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy AGAIN before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.
Sad to see how far Dr Frost has fallen. He wrote a great preterist book regarding the Resurrection of the dead- which occurred at the Parousia of Christ in 70AD.
Praise God he came out of the heresy of Preterism!
Yes praise God he now believes Jesus and the NT authors are liars! See how pathetic you sound?
@@methodministries "Heresy". The word that has been reduced to no meaning. Much like what you futurists have done to Jesus' words and the imminency of His Parousia- which occurred in 70AD. Pathetic. Care to explain how it is "Heresy"? Or just more empty words from you skeptics?
@@royalpriest89It might help if you don’t use words like “fallen” for someone who disagrees with you on a nonessential
(Edit: This is more essential than I realized. I think full preterism is very dangerous and could equate to the sin of Hymenaeus and Philetus.)
@@cleob9956 Is Salvation now a nonessential? I don't think so. He's fallen.
Sam is right about Partial Preterism. It leads to Full Preterism (unless you just don't pursue it all the way). Everyone agrees that some things took place in the first century. That is not Preterism. The Preterist Paradigm believes MOST or ALL things are fulfilled. It denies a future tribulation. But I would ask Partial Preterists this: "What is Satan's little season?" How is the beast and the false prophet destroyed at this future Parousia? For Full Preterists (Fps), how was the beast destroyed in 70 AD?
Do you even know what the beast represents?
I'm a partial Preterist.
The Lord super was to be repeat until Jesus come back but how do you explain this:
And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. John14:3
Matt.16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
Lol. The dangers of full preterism is leaving it a becoming like this Frost.
The guy is confused. He is craving for attention and fame. He jumps from here to there. Never proves where Preterist doctrine is wrong from the Scriptures except laugh it off and sneering. If the Scriptures teaches history gonna end, why not show us from Scriptures?
Simple. The restoration doesn't go on forever. If the Gospel is still being preached, then all things cannot yet be restored. The only thing that can end the restoration is the end of time.
@@MrCGal220you guys are looking for an earthly reign and kingdom that’s the issue with futurist eschatology.
Which one is the worse, full preterist or full dispensationalism ?
What about the most deceiving time we will go through, Satan's little season kjv or in a short while niv ... millennial reign may have happened and Satan is let loose to deceive the nations and gather an army against the camp of the saints about and the great city, it's very interesting that we don't have many discussions about could it have happened or what it would be like if it didn't...how long is a short time, short while, little season... it's definitely longer than I'm coming soon..if I'm coming soon has been 2000 years how long is in a little while? Fasinating. God bless, Jesus is our lord and savior Amen
You can not escape from the power of Preterism. Preterism is the most consistent eschatology out there which answers most end time questions.
He’s literally an ex-Preterist.
Check out two earth eschatology, it checks all end time boxes. Channel is Brother Phil, Livin' Beyond Satan's Little Season Show.
I never heard any preterist say church is irrelevant and against believes coming together. This guy is absurd.
Im nearly 70 and been to so many different religions and churches and I have seen it a lot in my lifetime. But have found that period coming to an end the past 10 years. However my own two sisters still hang on to the idea church is irrelevant and think that's not what being a Christian is all about.
This is not very convincing
I believe Deuteronomy 18:18 that Jesus is not a pre existing deity that became a man. I believe Yahweh raised him up from among Moses brethren. I don’t believe Jesus is God but I believe he’s the son of God and has been given all power in heaven and earth. I haven’t believed in the Trinity in 7 years.
Please don’t share your false teaching. You have something in common with Muslims, Jehovah’s Witnesses and Mormons but not with Christians. It’s very sad
Thank you
So, what is the preterist answer to, “How long, Oh Lord?”
If you look at Christianity over the past 2000 years, the preterism view is relatively new. It 1st showed up in 1909 1st addition Scofield's reference Bible. It was not the Christan teaching before that time. Jesus answered them saying, not the son nor even the Angels in Heaven knows. Only Father in Heaven knows.
Very nice discussion. On the issue of the church taking over the government and Sam mentioning former attempts of the church to change governments that failed. Perhaps the idea is that the church operates from the 7 Mountain idea. So we don't necessarily "take over" as in a theocracy but that we are simply influencers in the 7 areas of society. (See 7 Mountain concept outlined by Lance Wallnau.) In other words its "thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven." Again the kingdom of God is a separate entity that doesn't take over government and convert the Babylonian system. It influences these 7 systems while remaining an entity to itself.
As for all of the different end time views; its confusing and wrong. It doesn't take rocket science to understand the truth of end time happenings from scripture. Too many teachers are false prophets and they became that way because they're not baptized in Holy Spirit. They don't speak in tongues. Speaking in tongues helps to unfold scripture so that we as believers have a unity of faith. There's not much variance in the Charismatic community on these issue. We don't argue them ad nauseum and write book after book and have debate after debate. Not saying its perfect but there is more of a cohesive understanding instead of all this confusion of views.
Maybe a discussion with the guy Sam Frost said this about: “[Roderick Edwards is] probably one of the most abhorred persons in the history of [Hyper]Preterism”. AND "Roderick has been the most vicious critic of full preterism to date."
Every Christian is, at a minimum, a partial preterist. I lean amil but don't like these labels, lol. Yes, Jesus is the end, present, and future.
That's like saying every Christian is a Dispensationalist because they hold to dispensations within the Bible. Any good theologian will tell you that there's a difference between principles or a shared set of ideas than a system of belief. The majority of Christians have not and do not hold to the system of Preterism.
Does this guy have a debate with someone? He's seems to be an expert on telling what the Preterism is and what they believe and what they want to do.
He’s an ex-Preterist that was very well known. He knows what he’s talking about.
He does do debates with Peterist and gets destroyed each and every time. There are no real arguments against Preterism that hold weight.
The third temple is close to being built. Preterists be warned. ✝️
Does Revelation say anything about this? Anything that will happen if the Jews build their 3rd temple?
If that happens or if it is attempted the world be warned. WW3.
Baptism and lord super are not Church sacraments , baptism came from the rituals of purification of the law and lord super also came from the law...... John baptism was for Israel not for us like all the law ... the law officially end in 70 a.d. with the destruction of the temple.
This is not full preterism but biblical facts. Am a partial -a-mill preterist.The eschatological problem it's mainly Matt.24 .....
I find futurist like dispensationalism as being very HERETICAL creating many return of the Lord teaching two different gospels one for the carnal Jews one for the gentiles??? And two different God peoples ??? And a rapture of the Church ALONE ???? And a false return of Christ ON EARTH with the Church for to reign in Jerusalem ???? WOW ! Their system of literal interpretation is very very weak ..... I believe there will be a end of all things......