I am no longer a futurist like the host (and haven’t been for a few years now), but I must say that he is one of the most cordial and honest interviewers that I have seen in a long time! I’ve been watching Don Preston for a couple years; this was the first time I’ve been to your channel. On the strength of this one video and your charitable and honest tone, you, Sir, have earned yourself a new subscriber. 👍👍🙂
Bravo, great interview. Won't take you too long with that fearless and scriptural spirit to understand the joy and glory of Christ's faithful return in the clouds, bringing salvation, entering his parousia, His kingdom which is nearly two thousand years old now!
Wow. Thanks for your intellectual honesty. The Christian community needs more civil discourse like you have provided. Can't thank you enough. We shouldn't be afraid to seek God's guidance in anything including doctrine. You and Don handle yourselves with integrity. Your truly Truthseekers.....like myself. God bless.
I'm grateful you have so many different points of view. I don't agree with full preterism, but was happy to hear this lovely make explain his POV. Am looking forward to tomorrow.
I'm grateful you have so many different points of view. I don't agree with full preterism, but was happy to hear this lovely man explain his POV. Am looking forward to tomorrow.
@@TheSpiritofProphecy1611 After I was thinking you were so gracious, that was a rude comment. I listened to your next video. It confirmed my gratitude for God showing me the truth of his full and fulfilled gospel. My you be blessed in the same way. Keep being a Berean if not afraid to buck the tradition and your following.
@TheSpiritofProphecy1611 Where is the "tomorrow" video that you mentioned? I see one that was made before this video but not the new one where you refute it.
This is explosive 🧨 Best explanation I’ve ever heard‼️ Please as your friend give this a listen‼️🎧 It erased so many questions I’ve had for years‼️ I Love You All‼️❤️💯
A great discussion between two Christians with proper respect for each other. As it should be. I look forward to watching "damage limitation" and the follow up interview.
This is not the perspective of Jesus, the apostles, and the prophets. Rather, full preterists, as sincere as they may be, are deceiving and being deceived. Under this perspective, since the dead rise not, then Christ is not raised. And if Christ be not raised, one is yet in their sins.
@@ProjectCould it’s right there in Matthew 27:52-53…the Bible was not written to us, it was a well known historical event, but there are plenty of other sources, so do your own research if you are going to make such dogmatic statements. The gospel of nicodemus/book of pilate for one and if you haven’t even awakened to the fact we are in satans little season and cannot trust “historical documentation” then it’s pointless to discuss higher things with you, no offense…talking to normies about “conspiracy theories” (no matter how factual or prove-able) is something I stopped wasting my time with many years ago…until the LORD gives you eyes to see, it’s impossible to have vision of the truth…pray for wisdom.
No sir, so many read the Bible like a news paper that came out this morning, when it has a time frame of who wrote it, the people it was written to, context, etc. most don’t even study the old testament and then expect that they understand the New Testament like it was written to themselves, none of the Bible was written to us, but for us.
@@philiptweet5970 okay I get your point, but I must say that many many scholars study the Bible but come up with different interpretations. I believe the key is to seek the Lord and ask his spirit for truth because everybody has a different take when they use their own reasoning.
Agreed, one of the hardest things is setting aside our own presuppositions when reading and let the text speak for itself. Many have been cut off or excommunicated for different beliefs. I don’t believe that should happen, seems like Christian’s like to kill their own for what ever they deem necessary.
Here's a great video on the channel Eschatology Matters explaining the errors of Full Preterism. I learned a lot. ruclips.net/video/FiV3mnqk06M/видео.htmlsi=aUrBF9VvvglF6Ys-
I really like and appreciate Don Preston very much. Tommy you are doing a good thing to illustrate how we should stop being so secterian and not learn from each other. It is actually quite prideful to think any one of us have it all pat down. " Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. 11 For it has been declared to me concerning you, my brethren, by those of Chloe’s household, that there are contentions among you. 12 Now I say this, that each of you says, “I am of Paul,” or “I am of Apollos,” or “I am of Cephas,” or “I am of Christ.” 13 Is Christ divided? " (From 1 Cor 1) There currently exists great division and no-one is speaking the same things, which has been caused, among other things, by an unwillingness to hear each other.
Whoa. I sO have this question. Started trying to figure it out on my own but got way too confused. Thanks! Looking forward to this. (One for the algo lol.)
Here's a great video on the channel Eschatology Matters explaining the errors of Full Preterism. I learned a lot. ruclips.net/video/FiV3mnqk06M/видео.htmlsi=aUrBF9VvvglF6Ys-
Where is your follow up video answering Don? I lean Full Preterist, but there are different views even in FP camps, I like to remain open and its refreshing to see you being open as well, one needs to hear a matter and truly understand it before you can answer, so blessings to you for allowing that.
Like many, I'm sure, much of this interview went over my head. But I got the gist of it. I can't respond to it on a scholarly level, but I can respond on an emotional one. I find I'm having mixed feelings about it. On the one hand, if Don's ideas are all true, I breathe a sigh of relief. All my life I've feared the apocalyptic visions of the future. At the same time I've looked at them with joy. I'm sure others can identify with this. My takeaway is that if he's correct, we'll be spared the horrific End Times which have caused so much consternation over the centuries (and even greater consternation when we look at our modern world and the great capacity for destruction of our weapons). What do we have to look forward to? Just dying and going to Heaven? Well, as Don asked, what's wrong with dying and going to Heaven? On the surface, nothing at all. BUT, I also look at the world around us and the great evil that exists in every last corner of it. I don't need to provide any details, as every reader of this can fill in their own blanks (the lies, the despotism, the cruelty, the hatred, the depravity---even the rampant unbelief is something we hope to be remedied one day so that we can feel a sense of vindication). The point is, we see tremendous evil and we console ourselves with the assurance that "vengeance is mine," says the Lord. We view world history as a story that has a beginning, middle and end. We look at our current world and see it as so vile, so godless, so utterly cruel that we simply can't believe it would go on like this forever----yet that seems to be exactly what Don Preston is forecasting. Our story needs an ending, and it needs a happy one. The idea that everything that was supposed to happen has already happened leaves us with the feeling that God has abandoned us. Perhaps He hasn't abandoned us INDIVIDUALLY (afterall, we can always look forward to dying and going to Heaven), but if all this is true it would mean He has abandoned us HISTORICALLY. It means He no longer takes an interest or plays an active role in the story of humanity. That almost fills me with a kind of nihilistic dread. We may know that Jesus has already saved us from sin, but what about the sins of nations? Are we to believe that God will never cleanse the world of these things and restore us to the ideal state of Eden? If he's correct, it means we'll never be given a chance to grow up; we're like a child who remains a child eternally. And although we might evangelize for the sake of saving individual souls, we'll never truly be working toward something greater than ourselves. It means we no longer have a role to play in the coming Kingdom because either there is no coming Kingdom or we completely misunderstood what it meant to begin with. Worst of all, it means that evil will always have a place to exist. People will always suffer. Wars will always devastate the nations of the earth. Although villains may die, their offspring will inherit their fortunes and keep the cycle going forever. Don has taken the Word and surgically dissected it to explain why he believes "The End" has already come and gone, but I don't know if he's truly taken the time to step back and understand the implications of his theory. If he has, then surely he would've concluded that although his ideas might make sense at the microscopic level, they fail to make any sense whatsoever when you pan out and look at the larger picture.
Here's a great video on the channel Eschatology Matters explaining the errors of Full Preterism. I learned a lot. ruclips.net/video/FiV3mnqk06M/видео.htmlsi=aUrBF9VvvglF6Ys-
Then you don't think the gospel has beauty or power because preterism is a false doctrine created by the Catholic Church in order to counter the reformers during the Reformation who all believe that the Pope was antichrist
@@ProjectCould You are terribly wrong, I am a full preterist, consistent and confident in my salvation. I believe in Christ and his saving grace for those who believe in him.
Question .... If EVERYTHING in the Bible was fulfilled in the past, do we know what happens when WE die and can you please give me a list of the scriptures that inform us? Thanks in advance
How do these Preterists rectify this scripture???? And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. Rev 21:4 No way can apocalyptical language explain this away with rhetoric. BTW, I appreciate your spirit Tommy. I am not a Baptist, and am more of a Charismatic, but not into Zionism at all so that puts me at odds with most other Charismatics. I have enjoyed listening to your shows and the wisdom you speak with. God bless you.
When you die and are brought into His glory, then you are transformed. There is no longer pain or suffering in the eternal Kingdom. The passage is not referring to this world but the eternal state.
Its actually a reference to being back in covenant with the Father. In the OT when they were exiled it was as if they were dead, crying, sorrow, etc. Hebrew idioms
The key to answering your question is “the former things have passed away.” When we recognize “the former things” was the Mosaic age it’s obvious that it’s passing was imminent when John wrote to the seven churches. So, the old heavens and earth that were passing away (Rev. 21:1) was the Old Covenant age. The new heavens and earth was the New Covenant age that was arriving in its fullness. At that time the new Jerusalem (the bride, the NC church) was arriving to dwell with God which consummated the marriage of the bride and the Lamb. For all who are in Christ the old is gone the new has come. In Him we never die because we are in Him and He is resurrection life. I hope this helps you see how the promises were fulfilled when “the former things passed away.”
14:36 "When people hear this from the futurist world, it's horrifying." Anecdote to share here -- most full preterists I have interacted with online are Protestants. They have shared the horrified reactions and arguments they've gotten into with other Protestants, futurists, over this prophetic hermeneutic. I had this experience as a Protestant. However, there are a few Catholics in the FP community (myself recently included), and we have all experienced far less resistance from other Catholics. I think the Catholic hermeneutic is very similar to FP because it is historically supersessionist (a doctrine repudiated by many Protestant denominations), and the Church is considered the Kingdom/New Jerusalem come to earth (fulfilled Rev. 21-22). No, it is not doctrinally permissible in Catholicism to explicitly deny a future coming of Christ -- however, it is fully acceptable to interpret the book of Revelation etc as completely fulfilled in the 1st century, and many Catholic writers have taught this throughout the ages and do teach this today. While I disagree with some Catholics that the Catholic doctrine of the Second Coming requires that there be a secondary fulfillment of Revelation, it is acceptable within Catholicism to teach that this secondary fulfillment be anagogical -- that is, spiritual -- and that the Parousia may be interpreted in a similar way as well. Eschatological studies is what led me "out of" Judaism to Christ, and "out of" Protestantism to Catholicism -- all told, however, I have a greater appreciation for, and sense of the connections between, all three.
Hyper-Preterism Unmasked: Is Matthew 10:23 about 70 AD, or is it about Jesus coming as the King to Israel? The answer is found below in Zech. 9:9. Did Jesus "cometh" as the King of Israel riding on a donkey during the week He was crucified? If Matthew 10:23 is about 70 AD, Peter ignored the commandment given by Jesus in Matthew 10:5-7, when Peter went to the house of Cornelius. It did not take the disciples forty years to take the Gospel to Israel. In Romans 1:16 Paul said the Gospel was taken "first" to the Jews. This time period of the Gospel going "first" to Israel is found in Matt. 10:5-23, and Acts chapter 2, and Acts 10:36-38, and Galatians 1:14-18. Zec 9:9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass. The Old Covenant age died at Calvary when God ripped the temple veil in half from the top to the bottom at the moment His Son died at Calvary. There is no record in the NT of any person coming to salvation outside of the New Covenant between Calvary and 70 AD. Hebrews 7:12 proves there was a change in the law before 70 AD. We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant Church of Mount Zion and the blood of Jesus in Hebrews 12:22-24. This passage was written in the present tense before 70 AD. If the Hyper-Preterists (Full-Preterists) were correct the Old Covenant age would come back into existence if a temple were rebuilt, and animal sacrifices are renewed. Any basic book on Astronomy proves we are not now living in the "eternal" New Heavens and New Earth, because the sun only has a limited amount of nuclear fuel. We now understand the nuclear reaction inside the core of the sun, because of the testing of thermonuclear weapons. ==================== Multiple Second Coming Visions in Revelation: (book not in chronological order ) Christ returns one time in the future. However, there are several different visions of His return shown from different perspectives in the Book of Revelation. Christ returns at the end of Revelation chapter 6, with signs in the sun, moon, and stars, as are found in the Olivet Discourse. Those at the end of the chapter are hiding from the wrath of the Lamb. Why would they be hiding if Christ is not present? The "kings", "captains", "might men", "free", and "bond" are also found in chapter 19 at the return of Christ. He returns at the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible, and the time of the judgment of the dead in Revelation 11:15-18. The beginning of chapter 12 is a history lesson containing the fall of Satan, and the birth and death of Christ, who is the seed promised to crush the head of Satan in Genesis 3:15. The Second Coming is found in the "harvest" of chapter 14, which is related to the parable of the wheat and tares in Matthew chapter 13. He comes as a thief at Armageddon, and we find the greatest earthquake in history in chapter 16. This occurs when the 7th angel pours out his vial. How powerful is an earthquake which moves islands and destroys the mountains? What is happening to the planet? He comes on a horse in chapter 19, right after the Marriage Supper of the Lamb. Chapter 20? Does He come with the fire, and the judgment of the dead at the end of chapter 20, which agrees with what Paul said in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, and 2 Timothy 4:1? (The time of the judgment of the dead is also found in Revelation 11:18.) There are no mortals left alive on the planet at the end of Matthew 25:31-46. Why does an angel come down from heaven with a key to unlock the bottomless pit in Revelation 9:1-2, if the pit was not already locked before that time? Are there wicked angels in the pit in Rev. 9:11? If the beast "ascends" from the pit in Rev. chapter 11, where was the beast before that time? Does your view agree with Peter in 2 Pet. 2:4, and Jude in Jude 1:6, when they both said wicked angels are already in chains of darkness? Revelation 9:14 proves some of the angels were previously bound in some manner. Because the two witnesses were bodily resurrected from the dead in Revelation 11, the "first resurrection" at the beginning of Revelation 20 is not the first bodily resurrection in the book. The principle of "Recapitulation" means there are multiple visions of His return.
why why why why?? The Parousia, by James Stuart Russell. Once you read this, you will burn every dispensational book out there. Look for a free PDF copy online.
@@BertGraef If you read the following, you will see I am against modern Dispensational Theology, which is less than 200 years old. Who is now the King of Israel in John 1:49? Is the King of Israel now the Head of the Church, and are we His Body? Why did God allow the Romans to destroy the Old Covenant temple and the Old Covenant city, about 40 years after His Son fulfilled the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34 in blood at Calvary? Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart. Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36) We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24. Who is really teaching “Replacement Theology” ? (Did God fulfill His promises to the Jewish people at Calvary? Matthew 26:28, John 19:30) The advocates of modern Dispensational Theology often accuse others of promoting “Replacement Theology”, or some may even say “Antisemitism”. What does the Bible say about their accusations? 1. Who is replacing Christ as the seed of Abraham through which all the families of the Earth would be blessed in Genesis 12:3, with Abraham’s modern descendants? (See Paul’s interpretation in Galatians 3:8.) 2. Who is replacing the one people of God in John 10:16, with two peoples of God ? 3. Who is replacing the one seed (Christ) in Galatians 3:16, with the many seeds? 4. Who is replacing the children of the promise in Romans 9:8, with the children of the flesh? 5. Who is replacing the faithful “remnant” of Israelites in Romans 11:1-5, with the Baal worshipers? 6. Who is replacing the word "so" in Romans 11:26, with the word "then"? 7. Who is attempting to replace the Church made up of all races of people, with one made up only of Gentiles? Why did Peter address the crowd as “all the house of Israel” in Acts 2:36, when about 3,000 Israelites accepted Christ on the Day of Pentecost? 8. Based on Hebrews 9:15, the New Covenant cannot be separated from the Messiah’s death. Is the covenant in Daniel 9:27 connected to the Messiah’s death in Daniel 9:26. Is the covenant with the “many” in Daniel 9:27 the same covenant with the “many” in Matthew 26:28? If it is, some have replaced the New Covenant in Daniel 9:27 with a future covenant made by an antichrist not found in Daniel chapter 9. (See the 1599 Geneva Bible used by the Pilgrims.) 9. Those promoting the Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology often accuse others of teaching “Replacement Theology”, but are they the masters of it? Are they promoting a form of Dual Covenant Theology based on race? (See “genealogies” in Titus 3:9) Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis? 10. Watch the RUclips video “Genesis of Dispensational Theology” to see the origin of this man-made doctrine, which is less than 200 years old. It was brought to the United States about the time of the Civil War by John Nelson Darby. The doctrine was later incorporated into the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible, and then spread through much of the modern Church. Dallas Theological Seminary in Dallas Texas was created in part to promote John Darby’s Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology. Lewis Sperry Chafer, the first president of Dallas Theological, had the following to say about the difference between Israel and the Church:
“The dispensationalist believes that throughout the ages God is pursuing two distinct purposes: one related to the earth with earthly people and earthly objectives involved which is Judaism; while the other is related to heaven with heavenly people and heavenly objectives involved, which is Christianity.” Lewis Sperry Chafer, Dispensationalism (Dallas, Seminary Press, 1936), p. 107. Chafer states that, ‘Israel is an eternal nation, heir to an eternal land, with an eternal kingdom, on which David rules from an eternal throne,’ that is, on earth and distinct from the church who will be in heaven.” Lewis Sperry Chafer. Systematic Theology. 1975. Vol. IV. pp. 315-323. John Walvoord, another prominent voice of Dallas Theological stated… "...it is an article of normative dispensational belief that the boundaries of the land promised to Abraham and his descendants from the Nile to the Euphrates will be literally instituted and that Jesus Christ will return to a literal and theocratic Jewish kingdom centred on a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem. In such a scheme the Church on earth is relegated to the status of a parenthesis.” John F. Walvoord, The Rapture Question.1979, p. 25 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Are there two peoples of God in John 10:16? (See also 1 John 2:22-23, 2 John 1:7-11.) What is the land promise to the Old Testament Saints in Hebrews 11:15-16? (See what Joshua said about the Old Covenant land promise in Josh. 21:43.) Based on 2 Peter 3:10-13, is this earth “eternal”? Will it be replaced by a new earth? Based on Acts 2:36, and Romans 9:6-8, and Romans 11:1-5, and Hebrews 12:22-24, and James 1:1-3, can faithful Israel and the Church be separated into two different groups? Who is the New Covenant promised to in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and is it fulfilled by the blood of Christ at Calvary in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 12:18-24? Will modern Orthodox Jews ever be saved outside of the New Covenant Church, if the New Covenant is “everlasting” in Hebrews 13:20? (See also 2 Thess. 1:7-10) If the New Covenant has made the Old Covenant “obsolete” in Hebrews 8:6-13, why would God go back to the Old Covenant system during a future time period? Read the recent book "The Rise and Fall of Dispensationalism", by Daniel G. Hummel.
It's unfortunate that even preterists get 1 Thes 4 wrong. No one goes to heaven and then returns. It's simply saying that you shouldn't sorrow for saved ones who've died. Why? Because they're safe and sound up in heaven. No!....Because if you believe God raised Jesus from the dead, so too will God raise (bring with Jesus) the dead in Christ from the grave. 1 Thes 4 is not saints returning from heaven. It's saints being raised out of the grave. Jesus descends...we "rise".
57:40 the difficulty with the Biblical “Millennium” is that the term is a reference to a concept which was very familiar to the OT and NT writers but is recorded ins writings not in the current Biblical canon - 1 and 2 Enoch. But you find the doctrine thoroughly explained there. I summarize here: ruclips.net/video/UbmKkgxPvxE/видео.htmlsi=_M9WCRSkX5_JjpWc
The main reason (out of many) that full Preterism is impossible, is there are two sets of 144,000, not one. One is the Old Testament Saints from all the Tribes who followed Moses, archetype of Christ (Rev 7:4). Revelation 7:4 NASB95 And I heard the number of those who were sealed, one hundred and forty-four thousand sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel: The other set of 144,000 is from the New Covenant - notice they follow the Lamb on Mount Zion (Spiritual Israel), and not Moses. They sing a new song, not the Law of the flesh, but of Christ in the Spirit. These Saints are redeemed from the whole earth, not just land Israel. People are still being redeemed today, so this prophecy cannot be fulfilled until the fullness of the Gentiles are grafted into Israel (Body of Christ). Revelation 14:1,3-4 NASB95 Then I looked, and behold, *_the Lamb was standing on Mount Zion,_* and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His name and the name of His Father written on their foreheads. [3] *_And they sang a new song before the throne_* …; and no one could learn the song except the one hundred and forty-four thousand *_who had been purchased from the earth._* [4] These are the ones who have not been defiled with women, for they have kept themselves chaste. *_These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes._* These have been *_purchased from among men as first fruits to God and to the Lamb._* “New Covenant Saints have the firstfruit of the Spirit” Romans 8:23 NASB95 And not only this, but also *_we ourselves, having the first fruits of the Spirit,_* even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our body.
”In the resurrection therefore, when they shall rise, whose wife shall she be of them? for the seven had her to wife. And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?“ Mark 12:23-24 KJV ”He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.” Mark 12:27 KJV
It's because everything has been redefined in order to make all of Scripture fit around 70AD. What death, resurrection, the body, salvation, new heavens and new earth, etc. mean to you has been totally redefined by full preterists. They use all the same lingo, kinda like Mormons, but what they mean is very different. Thus, when you hear someone like Don give his apologetic, people with an orthodox view strain to figure what exactly he's actually saying. He's trying to sell a bridge to nowhere along with a fancy bottle of snake oil.
Don’s presentation here is straightforward. But one of the big problems is when he goes to 1 Cor 15, he has Jesus being bodily resurrected, but the saints being spiritually resurrected. That’s inconsistent and untenable. Either it was all spiritual or all physical. I suppose he would grasp onto the phrase “there is a spiritual body”. Problem: there shouldn’t even be a spiritual body in Preterist world. There should be merely a natural body, a spirit, and a soul. A spiritual body is a physical body - a glorified, immortal, incorruptible physical body. In that very context, the sun, moon, and stars have spiritual bodies, aka heavenly bodies. These are physical objects. Further, Christ was made a quickening spirit. That either was the case from his conception/birth, or when he was resurrected. Either way, it’s a fascinating description given that Jesus taught (after his resurrection), that a spirit hath not flesh and bone. And yet Jesus both pre-death and post death has flesh and bone.
It's heresy. Here's a great video on the channel Eschatology Matters explaining the errors of Full Preterism. I learned a lot. ruclips.net/video/FiV3mnqk06M/видео.htmlsi=aUrBF9VvvglF6Ys-
Jesus was the first fruit. And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. 4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the {first fruits) unto God and to the Lamb.
No you’re not going to get into trouble! Focus on what did Christ say? My Kingdom does not come with observation! Where you say look here or look there, the Kingdom is within!
I don't know if my comment will be understood, since my English is not very good. With regard to what is asked about the "Greek" audience that read Paul's letters, we must realize that the majority of "Gentiles" to whom Paul spoke were Israelite expatriates who were in effect living in areas outside of Jerusalem. In 1 Corinthians 10, Paul himself tells the "Gentiles" that they should not forget that they themselves were descendants of the Hebrews who had crossed the sea. one of the misinterpretations made of the New Testament , is rightly believing that the "Gentiles" to whom Paul was sent to preach were pagans who had never heard of the God of Israel. On the contrary, there are words in Greek that were translated into Spanish and English without taking into account their differences. akrobustia (a male who had been circumcised in the flesh, an Israelite, who had discarded his Israelite identity and had become a Gentile. i.e. the Gentiles to whom Paul was sent to preach the gospel, were Israelites who had been expatriated and had lost their identity as a people and had become LO AMMI (Hosea 1:9) they were the house of Israel scattered among Gentile nations. For this reason it is that they had any notion of the language that Paul used when referring to the resurrection and the day of the Lord.
When does the preterist say Revelation 21:2 happened: “I saw the New Jerusalem coming down out of Heaven from God…” By the way, Matthew 24:32 says, “Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 33 Even so, when you see ALL THESE THINGS, you know that it is near, right at the door. 34 Truly I tell you; this generation will certainly not pass away until ALL THESE THINGS have happened. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away." It says when you see these things, you know that it is near. All the things mentioned in Matthew 24 have NOT happened yet. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to ALL the nations, and then the end will come. Even yet the Gospel has NOT been preached in all nations. 21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And unless those days were shortened, NO FLESH WOULD BE SAVED; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened. We did NOT see such a tribulation in the first century that threatened ALL flesh, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. The terrible time in the first century did NOT surpass the Nazi Holocaust that killed six million Jews and six million others. It did NOT surpass all the World Wars that killed countless millions. 26 “Therefore, if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert!’ do not go out; or ‘Look, He is in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it. 27 For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 28 For wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together. If Christ returned in the first century, it didn't even make the papers. I'm being somewhat facetious, but if the Glorious 2nd Coming happened in the first century, EVERY nation on the face of the earth should have countless stories of the GREATEST most MAJESTIC event since the flood. Yet there are NONE. I know Josephus and Tacitus made some small mention of mysterious "chariots" in the sky. REALLY? That's it? 29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then ALL the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Certainly, this AMAZING event did NOT happen in the first century. Most preterists in order to combat the FACT that historical records do NOT abound with reports of the Sign of the Son of Man appearing in the heavens and ALL the tribes of the earth seeing it, say well, it was a localized event that ONLY happened in Israel. BUT, the verse says, the Son of Man will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of Heaven to the other. There were Godly people who were trusting in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in other parts of the world. The gathering of His elect will not ONLY involve people living in Israel. 36 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only...Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming. 43 But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. 44 Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect. Those who believe this all happened in the first century must admit, the first century believers were expecting the return of Christ at any moment. At some time before their generation passed away. So, what does it mean when the verse says, "...the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect." 2nd Timothy 2:17 " Their teaching will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus, 18 who have departed from the truth. They say that the resurrection has already taken place, and they destroy the faith of some."
Remember WHO the apostles and Jesus are talking to...it's not us. Paul's books are clearly written to the people of the time. Where does scripture say Jesus is returning again - especially in the flesh - after the destruction of Jerusalem, which happened exactly how and when He said.
Once our eyes are opened to see the first century transition from the natural to the spiritual the Scriptures begin to make sense. At the time of the end of the Old Covenant age the symbols gave way to substance. The natural age became the spiritual age. The Mosaic kingdom became the Messianic kingdom. Now, in Him, there is everything needed that’s available for life and godliness. In Him there’s the fulfillment of the land, temple, priesthood, sacrifices, etc. Jesus is the place of salvation (land). He’s the chief Cornerstone of the new living stones of the spiritual temple. We are kings and priests offering spiritual sacrifices. God dwells with us (in Christ), we are new creations in the new heavens in earth (spiritual). Every tear is wiped away, there is no more death, sorrow, crying or pain because those were related to the old age. In this way the events of Revelation were as God expressed to John and the seven first century churches. They were about to occur, they were near, shortly and soon (Rev. 1:1,3; 22:6,10). All prophecy made to Old Covenant Israel regarding their age has been fulfilled. Amen!
The prophesied re-gathering of Israel didn't really kick into gear until May 14, 1948. This certainly is prophecy fulfilled nearly two thousand years AFTER the first century. Jeremiah 30:1-8 says, "For behold, the days are coming,’ says the Lord, ‘that I will bring back from captivity My people Israel and Judah,’ says the Lord. ‘And I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it...For it shall come to pass in that day,’ Says the Lord of hosts, ‘That I will break his yoke from your neck, and will burst your bonds. Foreigners shall NO MORE enslave them." This says, the Jews will come back to their land NEVER to be enslaved again. Hitler and his Nazi regime enslaved the Jews in concentration camps and tortured them brutally to death. Six million Jews savagely murdered. The whole context of this passage is God will bring Israel back into their land, NEVER TO BE ENSLAVED AND TAKEN FROM THEIR LAND AGAIN. This says, NEVER AGAIN. It definitely happened with Hitler and the Nazis. So, this was a prophecy that ABSOLUTELY was NOT fulfilled in the first century.
I think he is missing some key factors about some words. Like the dead. Remember when Jesus said “let the dead bury the dead”? Just one example. Also the word “world” has 3 different meanings.
PRETERISTS take away from the words of the book of prophecy. Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
So basically to be a preterist you have to look at the bible as a metaphorical book and also say that the KJV translaters were not that good. It seems most odd doctrines rely on the KJV being mistranslated in the specific area which they need it to be.
That is a pretty unfair characterization to be honest about it. I do not disparage the KJV but it is assuredly NOT the most reliable translation. The KJV translators did a passable job with the MSS that they had available, but we now have exponentially more and better Greek MSS to work with. The wise course is to use the KJV in concert with, for instance the NKJV, the New American Standard and even the New English.
@farmerj490 everyone seems to forget that Israel declared their independence in 167 BC so the kingdom that followed Greece was not Rome. It was Israel with a Cohen king.
Preterism has officially been laid to rest. RUclips MZTV 336 and 1137-39. Wow. Talk about The witch is dead, the witch is dead. Its remains? Pride, but of course.
As a completely unrelated side note, why do you have the hymn "Jesus is coming again" for your intro? I mean it is a beautiful hymn, but is it meant to disarm pre-tribbers or what?
@kevinsepulveda398 Marvelous message we bring, Glorious carol we sing, Wonderful word of the King, Jesus is coming again! Chorus Coming again, Coming again, May be morning, may be noon, May be evening and may be soon!
@kevinsepulveda398 still a great song, even if it isn't doctrinally sound....😅 I've been listening to Spirit of Prophecy all day while driving so the song lyrics are stuck in my head now.
Wow… our friend missed some important scriptures that destroy preterism. Rapture deniers… dominionists and second coming deniers are in for a sudden and severe shock
I cannot believe that you’re letting this man push this document without any comment.. remember you have babes in Christ watching this can be confusing for them.
@@TheSpiritofProphecy1611 The Parousia, by James Stuart Russell. Once you read this, you will burn every dispensational book out there. Look for a free PDF copy online.
Rome wasn't built in a day. In order to expose these guys, you have to let them talk. Even Jesus didn't give his followers all the answers they were looking for all at once. Many in John 6 were so frustrated with Jesus, because they didn't understand Jesus and had an "I want it now" attitude, that many stopped following Him. Was Jesus to blame for so many departing? I mean after all, he could have given satisfied them with immediate gratification so that they would no longer be struggling in their thoughts, but Jesus didn't do that. Jesus wasn't at fault because that's not how life often works. It's always nice to find nuggets of truth on the surface in a quick and easy spoon-fed way, but often we come across gems of knowledge by lots of intentional digging and searching over lengthy periods of time. For any that are struggling, they ought to spend some time with Jesus and His Word tonight, and then tune into follow up videos where rebuttals will no doubt be offered.
@@Cassiehope888 going to the original Greek , The original Greek does not exist this guy uses this as a cover for teaching. I use the KJV The majority text.. I am sick of hearing teachers always saying, but in the original text..
Please be warned. And, I say this as someone who is personally born again for over 35 years. I have personally debated Don Preston and William Bell online for many years. And, I'm a Full Preterist. Don Preston hides how Covenant Eschatology Full Preterism sees SALVATION. Covenant Eschatology started with Max King in the 1970's. Max came up with the idea of a "40 year covenant change process" and a "40 year resurrection process" for a "corporate/collective body of Israel/Moses/Judaism" that was "raised" in AD 70 as "the corporate/collective body of Christ." That is how Max King, William Bell, and Don Preston (Covenant Eschatology Full Preterism) define the eschatological Resurrection in AD 70 (corporate/collective body resurrection.) They also say this "corporate/collective body of Israel/Moses/Judaism" went through a "40 year atonement process." They teach that salvation for "the Church" ("New Covenant age corporate/collective body") could only happen in AD 70 at the alleged "end of a 40 year atonement process." They deny that the Church was purchased in full in the atoning work of Jesus on the cross in His one and only physical blood and physical body death sacrifice on the cross. They teach that their Christ needed to die a spiritual separation/alienation death on the cross before a physical body death. After this alleged "spiritual separation/alienation death" of their Christ on the cross, they have a "40 year atonement PROCESS" take place that involved various steps that led to the alleged salvation of the Church in AD 70. They do not have the Atonement for the Church take place on the cross. They make up a "40 year Atonement process" that allegedly ended in AD 70. These guys redefine EVERYTHING that pertains to the one and only true Gospel in Scripture. They have a different sacrifice of their Christ than what is in Christianity. They define "the body of the Resurrection" that Paul describes in 1 Corinthians 15 as "a corporate/collective body", when, in fact, Paul is teaching an individual and personal body for each saint raised out from Sheol in the eschatological Resurrection. The radically unhealthy idea of a "40 year covenant change process" and "40 year resurrection process" for a "corporate/collective body" that was "raised from Old Covenant age death in AD 70" is not found in Scripture. The Church did NOT have to go through a "40 year resurrecting process" in order to be "raised" and "saved" in AD 70. The Church was purchased in full in AD 31 in the finished atoning work of Jesus on the cross in His one and only physical blood and physical body death sacrifice. Please be warned of these guys who teach a very different Christ and a very different Gospel of Salvation.
24:11 - _"I think one of the greatest mistakes that I used to make that I think is so prevalent in the Futurist world is the idea that Jesus was going to come back...as a...5 foot 5 Jewish man."_
24:43 - _"He [Christ] was to be revealed as Lord, as King of kings and Lord of lords, as the Alpha and the Omega, as the first and the last.......in his day - that is in Christ's day, that is the day of the Lord - he will reveal who is the only true God, the King of kings and the Lord of lords. That's him. He's not the Father. But he's equal with the Father in the 'Trinity' as we sometimes call it."_
The idea that Jesus is going to come back in physical form is every bit as carnal-minded and unbiblical as the idea that Christ and the Father are two distinct persons in a so-called "Trinity".
The coming of the Lord in 70 AD was the coming of the one true God, *the omnipotent and **_unipersonal_** Spirit* whose name is revealed to be the name which is above _every_ name: *JESUS.*
Did Peter believe the end would come in his generation? If he did, why would he say this? 2Pe 3:8 ¶ But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 ¶ The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. Mr 13:30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done. That one little scripture is what caused the false doctrines of preterism, which claims that all of the prophecies were fulfilled by 70 AD. But the Greek word "genea" which was translated generation in English doesn't just mean the span of a man's life. It also means an age or an era as well as a nation. Though it is true, people of every era thought the end might come in their lifetime. But that isn't what Jesus said, it is what they inferred from what he said. Jesus was saying, this current state of the world won't end until every prophecy is fulfilled. Eph 3:20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us, 21 Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages (genea), world without end. Amen. The book of Hosea foretold how long it would be. Hosea 6:1-3 Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up. After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight. Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth. The first two verses of Hosea 6 are obviously salvation verses. In verse 1, Jesus reconciles us to God by taking our sins to the cross. In verse 2, He returns to resurrect us and receive His kingdom. The two day (two thousand years) would be from Jesus' crucifixion. If He was crucified in 31 AD, His coming would be two thousand years from then. The "former and latter rain" are Jesus' first and second coming. If two days is two thousand years, Jesus' coming would be two thousand years from His leaving. The third day would be the millennial kingdom. The preterists and the futurists are both right and both wrong and neither can see how to put the two together. The prophecies began when Jesus sat down at the right hand of the Father. That is when he prevailed to open the book. The seals began to be opened right then. They won't cease until Jesus returns. We are nearly two thousand years into prophecies of Revelation. The first five seals are already open. The Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, prevailed to open the book and to loose its seals. The four horsemen have been riding ever since. The fifth seal, the martyrdom of the saints, has been going on since the stoning of Stephen in Acts 7. The first six seals of Revelation harmonize perfectly with Matthew 24:4-29. The Bible does not say "the great tribulation". It says there will be great tribulation. Jesus said in John 16:33, "In the world ye shall have tribulation. Be of good cheer. I have overcome the world." We have not been waiting for tribulation to come. We have been living in it all along. The very end is called "the day of the Lord." Jesus said that until He returns, there will arise false churches, wars and rumors of wars, famines, pestilence, earthquakes, persecution and martyrdom. Jesus called these "the beginning of sorrows" and they coincide exactly with the seals of Revelation. Jesus began to open these seals after He was resurrected and “set down at the right hand of the throne of God.” The first five seals correspond precisely with Matthew 24:4-9. And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see. And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer. Revelation 6:1-2 This passage agrees with Matthew 24:4-5, which states, And Jesus answered and said unto them. Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. The rider of the white horse is false Christianity and the conquering is the deception of many. And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see. And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword. Revelation 6:3-4 Compare this to Matthew 24:6-7, And ye shall hear of wars and rumors of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:… The comparison between these two is obvious.Revelation 6:5-6 says, And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand. And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine. The measuring of food in the balances represents famine.Matthew 24:7 agrees, …: and there shall be famines and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. The oil and the wine represents opulence and abundance. By adding, “see thou hurt not the oil and the wine,” this verse shows that while part of the world goes hungry, others have plenty. And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see. And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth. Revelation 6:7-8 “The beasts of the earth” are despotic governments, as is the beast of Revelation 13. The pale horse rider is death, caused by the wars, famines, diseases, and natural disasters of Matthew 24:6-7. All these are the beginning of sorrows. Matthew 24:8 The four horsemen of the Apocalypse have been riding for nearly two thousand years. It is simply the state of the world that we live in. The fifth seal is also loosed. It had a former fulfillment with all of the Christians who were martyred in the past. It also has a future fulfillment. And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the alter the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, 0 Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were. should be fulfilled. Revelation 6:9-11 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake. Matthew 24:9 These circumstances have been occurring all of our lifetimes. We have simply failed to equate them with these prophecies.
We have been living in the time of the first five seals of Revelation ever since Jesus became worthy to open the seals by overcoming the world. The sixth seal is what comes as a thief in the night and begins the day of the Lord. Once it starts, everything will transpire very quickly. Revelation 6:12-13 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: Joel 2:31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come. The sixth seal is a signpost that marks the end of the tribulation and the beginning of the Day of the Lord. There is not really a time called the great tribulation. Tribulation is a general description of the state of the world. It simply means times of trouble. “The tribulation of those days,” before the sixth seal, will be over when the sixth seal is opened. The tribulation of “the day of the Lord” will be much worse. Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. Mark 13:19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be. Revelation 6:14-17 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand? Isaiah 2:12 For the day of the Lord of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low: Isaiah 2:19-21 And they shall go into the holes of the rocks, and into the caves of the earth, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth. In that day a man shall cast his idols of silver, and his idols of gold, which they made each one for himself to worship, to the moles and to the bats; To go into the clefts of the rocks, and into the tops of the ragged rocks, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth. Psalm 76:5-7 The stouthearted are spoiled, they have slept their sleep: and none of the men of might have found theirs hands. At thy rebuke, O God of Jacob, both the chariot and horse are cast into a deep sleep. Thou, even thou, art to be feared: and who may stand in thy sight when once thou art angry? Luke 21:25-26 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; Men’s hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. Zephaniah 1:14-17 The great day of the LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly. That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness, A day of the trumpet and alarm against the fenced cities, and against the high towers. And I will bring distress upon men, that they shall walk like blind men, because they have sinned against the LORD: and their blood shall be poured out as dust, and their flesh as the dung. Isaiah 13:13 Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger. Isaiah 24:19-20 The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly. The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again. Psalm 76:12 He shall cut off the spirit of princes: he is terrible to the kings of the earth. Isaiah 13:9-11 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it. For the stars of heaven and the constellations therefore shall not give her light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine. And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible. People talk about a pre-tribulation rapture. It is too late for that. We were born in the tribulation. It began in the first century and it will end with the sixth seal. But the things that were set in motion by opening the seals will continue through to Armageddon. The tribulation period ends with the sixth seal and the Day of the Lord begins with the opening of the seventh seal and will continue through judgment day. 2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Revelation 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. The day of the Lord will come just like the flood came in Noah’s day. People went about their lives completely oblivious to what was going on around them; right up until "the flood came, and destroyed them all." Our generation is exactly the same. The day Christ returns, there will be two in a bed; one will be taken, and the other left. There will be two grinding at the mill; one will be taken, and the other left. There will be two working in the field; one will be taken and the other left. Where will the one be taken? Answer: Wherever the corpse is, the vultures will be gathered together. What about the ones who are left? Answer: They are the mortal humans who will repopulate the earth during the thousand year reign. And the Christians of the first resurrection will be their rulers. Re 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: 27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
The rider on the white horse in Revelation 6 is the Lord Jesus Christ. There’s even a famous hymn written about it “Victory Through Grace”. The Bible interprets itself. Jesus is the rider on the white horse in revelation 19, and he’s the rider in revelation 6.
@@BertGraef It doesn't say "shortly be fullfilled", it says, "shortly come to pass." The things in Revelation were soon to begin, not soon to finish. But 2000 years is only as two days to God.
Matthew 25 this did not happen in 70 AD. Quit leading people away from the truth of scripture. There was no great judgment in 70 AD of all Nations Matthew 25:32-46 KJVS And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: [33] And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. [34] Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: [35] For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: [36] Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. [37] Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? [38] When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? [39] Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? [40] And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. [41] Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: [42] For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: [43] I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. [44] Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? [45] Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. [46] And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Take your ego out of the prophecy. Read revelation with (only Israel as the whole of the world), and the year 70ad is the end of the revelation.. remember that Jesus' kingdom is spirit not flesh.
That perspective creates a private interpretation that is powerless to counter alternative less than literal views. The beauty of Revelation is that it plainly reveals the future. It’s a literal book, and yes that includes Revelation 12 and 13
@@charlesco7413 ”Beware therefore, lest that come upon you, which is spoken of in the prophets; Behold, ye despisers, and wonder, and perish: For I work a work in your days, A work which ye shall in no wise believe, though a man declare it unto you.“ Acts 13:40-41 KJV
@@charlesco7413 PRETERISTS take away from the words of the book of prophecy. Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Pastor McMurtry how about I just stick to reading the KJV and listen to Baptists like you who preach from the Bible. And how about I not listen to Don "The Preterist" Preston. Thanks
That sounds like, "Just tell me what I want to hear, pastor." A pastors job isn't to tickle ears by giving people a tradition or telling them only things that they are comfortable with. His job isn't to make sure you never wrestle, to spoon feed you, or to make sure truth goes down and easy. We don't live in an echo chamber, and you're not learning anything new if you're not challenged. I don't agree at all with full preterism, but if you don't know how to answer these smooth talking men in a way that gives real explanatory power, then you or your children will pay when they turn to these abhorrent teachings. Truth is not afraid of examination.
@@PreachingPolitics I've read all your comments on here. You are very wise and spiritually mature, and I appreciate your thoughtful answers. Helps out us who are still growing!
@@christianmichael8 I have a good friend and brother who is doing just that. He's found that there are a lot of verses missing from the Masoretic text but which are in the Septuagint. And since the Masoretic was translated by Talmudic Rabbis, I don't think I want to solely rely on it. They have a Septuagint on the Bible Hub app.
What? Both of them? No! Only Don Preston! Pastor Tommy is a faithful man of God. I may not agree with everything he says but you're just wrong on saying he isn't saved. You don't know him so how dare you say something so foolish! With your attitude maybe it's you that needs salvation.
@@christalone71 Could everyone please stop wielding "get saved" as a weapon? Yes SonOfGodJesus78, you were right to question what this other fellow said. Obviously he stumbled on this video and took Pastor Tommy's silence as an endorsement for what D. Preston was saying. Obviously he missed Pastor Tommy's entire introduction where he clearly stated he was going to allow D. Preston to have the floor, after which he would release a video refuting everything. But I think you may agree that instead of questioning his SALVATION, you might've been wiser to question his listening skills. There are a great many reasons non-believers refuse our message. Too many to count. But one of them, I believe, is the comical way in which we wiggle our fingers in everybody's faces and threaten them with eternal hellfire because they said something we don't like. We have to be better than that.
You are more than welcome to try and prove that what I said is wrong. Throwing insults and accusations has no probative value. I do not deny Christ. He is my Lord and Savior.
Don Preston is one of the BEST!!
Even though he is wrong.
I am no longer a futurist like the host (and haven’t been for a few years now), but I must say that he is one of the most cordial and honest interviewers that I have seen in a long time!
I’ve been watching Don Preston for a couple years; this was the first time I’ve been to your channel.
On the strength of this one video and your charitable and honest tone, you, Sir, have earned yourself a new subscriber. 👍👍🙂
Me too.
Isn't it amazing. Christ has a crown, a throne, and a kingdom, and he reigns now and forever.
Bravo, great interview. Won't take you too long with that fearless and scriptural spirit to understand the joy and glory of Christ's faithful return in the clouds, bringing salvation, entering his parousia, His kingdom which is nearly two thousand years old now!
Wow. Thanks for your intellectual honesty. The Christian community needs more civil discourse like you have provided. Can't thank you enough.
We shouldn't be afraid to seek God's guidance in anything including doctrine.
You and Don handle yourselves with integrity. Your truly Truthseekers.....like myself. God bless.
I love Don K. Preston. Thank you for being objective about this!
This dear brother has confirmed what the Lord has already showed me God bless you brother.
Make sure you listen tomorrow so I can unconfirm it.
I'm grateful you have so many different points of view. I don't agree with full preterism, but was happy to hear this lovely make explain his POV. Am looking forward to tomorrow.
I'm grateful you have so many different points of view. I don't agree with full preterism, but was happy to hear this lovely man explain his POV. Am looking forward to tomorrow.
@@TheSpiritofProphecy1611 After I was thinking you were so gracious, that was a rude comment. I listened to your next video. It confirmed my gratitude for God showing me the truth of his full and fulfilled gospel. My you be blessed in the same way. Keep being a Berean if not afraid to buck the tradition and your following.
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Where is the "tomorrow" video that you mentioned? I see one that was made before this video but not the new one where you refute it.
This is explosive 🧨 Best explanation I’ve ever heard‼️
Please as your friend give this a listen‼️🎧 It erased so many questions I’ve had for years‼️
I Love You All‼️❤️💯
A great discussion between two Christians with proper respect for each other. As it should be. I look forward to watching "damage limitation" and the follow up interview.
This is not the perspective of Jesus, the apostles, and the prophets.
Rather, full preterists, as sincere as they may be, are deceiving and being deceived.
Under this perspective, since the dead rise not, then Christ is not raised. And if Christ be not raised, one is yet in their sins.
@@ProjectCouldwrong, the dead already rose…in THAT generation, just like Jesus said would happen 😊
@@BenPat88 Rose literally? And every person that had died to that point? Historical documentation?
@@ProjectCould it’s right there in Matthew 27:52-53…the Bible was not written to us, it was a well known historical event, but there are plenty of other sources, so do your own research if you are going to make such dogmatic statements. The gospel of nicodemus/book of pilate for one and if you haven’t even awakened to the fact we are in satans little season and cannot trust “historical documentation” then it’s pointless to discuss higher things with you, no offense…talking to normies about “conspiracy theories” (no matter how factual or prove-able) is something I stopped wasting my time with many years ago…until the LORD gives you eyes to see, it’s impossible to have vision of the truth…pray for wisdom.
@@ProjectCouldYou read the documentation don't you? They rose several times. We have more to look forward to because of understanding this.
Such a respectful exchange. I would love to see more of this. Thank you.
great communication between brethren...so refreshing
Man this makes so much sense !
Are you being sarcastic?
No sir, so many read the Bible like a news paper that came out this morning, when it has a time frame of who wrote it, the people it was written to, context, etc. most don’t even study the old testament and then expect that they understand the New Testament like it was written to themselves, none of the Bible was written to us, but for us.
@@philiptweet5970 okay I get your point, but I must say that many many scholars study the Bible but come up with different interpretations. I believe the key is to seek the Lord and ask his spirit for truth because everybody has a different take when they use their own reasoning.
Agreed, one of the hardest things is setting aside our own presuppositions when reading and let the text speak for itself. Many have been cut off or excommunicated for different beliefs.
I don’t believe that should happen, seems like Christian’s like to kill their own for what ever they deem necessary.
Here's a great video on the channel Eschatology Matters explaining the errors of Full Preterism. I learned a lot. ruclips.net/video/FiV3mnqk06M/видео.htmlsi=aUrBF9VvvglF6Ys-
Excellent presentation- I now understand the full preterist position much better. Looking forward to watching your follow-up videos.
Wow! Great guest, great interviewer! I just subbed.
I really like and appreciate Don Preston very much. Tommy you are doing a good thing to illustrate how we should stop being so secterian and not learn from each other. It is actually quite prideful to think any one of us have it all pat down.
" Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. 11 For it has been declared to me concerning you, my brethren, by those of Chloe’s household, that there are contentions among you. 12 Now I say this, that each of you says, “I am of Paul,” or “I am of Apollos,” or “I am of Cephas,” or “I am of Christ.” 13 Is Christ divided? " (From 1 Cor 1)
There currently exists great division and no-one is speaking the same things, which has been caused, among other things, by an unwillingness to hear each other.
Well this was certainly interesting. I must admit though that I needed an aspirin by the time it was over.
Thanks.
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Good info Don !
Great talk together Thank You
This was awesome! 👏 continue follow ups please. 🙏🏽 Thanks.
Whoa. I sO have this question. Started trying to figure it out on my own but got way too confused.
Thanks! Looking forward to this.
(One for the algo lol.)
Here's a great video on the channel Eschatology Matters explaining the errors of Full Preterism. I learned a lot. ruclips.net/video/FiV3mnqk06M/видео.htmlsi=aUrBF9VvvglF6Ys-
Where is your follow up video answering Don? I lean Full Preterist, but there are different views even in FP camps, I like to remain open and its refreshing to see you being open as well, one needs to hear a matter and truly understand it before you can answer, so blessings to you for allowing that.
ruclips.net/user/live2M1PBv0MTHo?feature=share
”…. and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.“
Do you think your salvation is based on whether you know exactly when the rapture occurs?
@@charlesco7413 No
@@charlesco7413good point. Even Christ didn't know the exact time.
Like many, I'm sure, much of this interview went over my head. But I got the gist of it. I can't respond to it on a scholarly level, but I can respond on an emotional one.
I find I'm having mixed feelings about it. On the one hand, if Don's ideas are all true, I breathe a sigh of relief. All my life I've feared the apocalyptic visions of the future. At the same time I've looked at them with joy. I'm sure others can identify with this. My takeaway is that if he's correct, we'll be spared the horrific End Times which have caused so much consternation over the centuries (and even greater consternation when we look at our modern world and the great capacity for destruction of our weapons). What do we have to look forward to? Just dying and going to Heaven? Well, as Don asked, what's wrong with dying and going to Heaven? On the surface, nothing at all.
BUT, I also look at the world around us and the great evil that exists in every last corner of it. I don't need to provide any details, as every reader of this can fill in their own blanks (the lies, the despotism, the cruelty, the hatred, the depravity---even the rampant unbelief is something we hope to be remedied one day so that we can feel a sense of vindication). The point is, we see tremendous evil and we console ourselves with the assurance that "vengeance is mine," says the Lord. We view world history as a story that has a beginning, middle and end. We look at our current world and see it as so vile, so godless, so utterly cruel that we simply can't believe it would go on like this forever----yet that seems to be exactly what Don Preston is forecasting. Our story needs an ending, and it needs a happy one. The idea that everything that was supposed to happen has already happened leaves us with the feeling that God has abandoned us. Perhaps He hasn't abandoned us INDIVIDUALLY (afterall, we can always look forward to dying and going to Heaven), but if all this is true it would mean He has abandoned us HISTORICALLY. It means He no longer takes an interest or plays an active role in the story of humanity. That almost fills me with a kind of nihilistic dread. We may know that Jesus has already saved us from sin, but what about the sins of nations? Are we to believe that God will never cleanse the world of these things and restore us to the ideal state of Eden? If he's correct, it means we'll never be given a chance to grow up; we're like a child who remains a child eternally. And although we might evangelize for the sake of saving individual souls, we'll never truly be working toward something greater than ourselves. It means we no longer have a role to play in the coming Kingdom because either there is no coming Kingdom or we completely misunderstood what it meant to begin with. Worst of all, it means that evil will always have a place to exist. People will always suffer. Wars will always devastate the nations of the earth. Although villains may die, their offspring will inherit their fortunes and keep the cycle going forever.
Don has taken the Word and surgically dissected it to explain why he believes "The End" has already come and gone, but I don't know if he's truly taken the time to step back and understand the implications of his theory. If he has, then surely he would've concluded that although his ideas might make sense at the microscopic level, they fail to make any sense whatsoever when you pan out and look at the larger picture.
I had pretty much the exact same feeling listening to this just now. Very well conveyed, brother!
Oh get over yourself. Good grief
This guy gets it. He would have to agree that the Hebrews tend to exaggerate numbers. I’m sure he’d say 6 million sounds a little high.
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Absolutely stellar comment, unbeatable
Here's a great video on the channel Eschatology Matters explaining the errors of Full Preterism. I learned a lot. ruclips.net/video/FiV3mnqk06M/видео.htmlsi=aUrBF9VvvglF6Ys-
The Parousia, by James Stuart Russell. Once you read this, you will burn every dispensational book out there. Look for a free PDF copy online.
God bless you Bert ❤
I can’t lie Jesus coming in the Glory of his Father and we see in the OT how God came in judgment it’s hard to get around that
Full Preterism is the only truth and it explains well the power and beauty of the Gospel message of the Kingdom of God what Christ preached about.
Then you don't think the gospel has beauty or power because preterism is a false doctrine created by the Catholic Church in order to counter the reformers during the Reformation who all believe that the Pope was antichrist
It’s actually a denial of the gospel.
@@ProjectCould You are terribly wrong, I am a full preterist, consistent and confident in my salvation. I believe in Christ and his saving grace for those who believe in him.
@@ronymattew122You’ve apparently believed in vain.
@@ProjectCould Why did you say that? I firmly believe in Christ and I am a born again and baptised believer. What made you say that, please explain.
Question .... If EVERYTHING in the Bible was fulfilled in the past, do we know what happens when WE die and can you please give me a list of the scriptures that inform us? Thanks in advance
How do these Preterists rectify this scripture???? And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. Rev 21:4 No way can apocalyptical language explain this away with rhetoric. BTW, I appreciate your spirit Tommy. I am not a Baptist, and am more of a Charismatic, but not into Zionism at all so that puts me at odds with most other Charismatics. I have enjoyed listening to your shows and the wisdom you speak with. God bless you.
When you die and are brought into His glory, then you are transformed. There is no longer pain or suffering in the eternal Kingdom. The passage is not referring to this world but the eternal state.
Its actually a reference to being back in covenant with the Father. In the OT when they were exiled it was as if they were dead, crying, sorrow, etc. Hebrew idioms
The key to answering your question is “the former things have passed away.”
When we recognize “the former things” was the Mosaic age it’s obvious that it’s passing was imminent when John wrote to the seven churches.
So, the old heavens and earth that were passing away (Rev. 21:1) was the Old Covenant age. The new heavens and earth was the New Covenant age that was arriving in its fullness. At that time the new Jerusalem (the bride, the NC church) was arriving to dwell with God which consummated the marriage of the bride and the Lamb.
For all who are in Christ the old is gone the new has come. In Him we never die because we are in Him and He is resurrection life.
I hope this helps you see how the promises were fulfilled when “the former things passed away.”
14:36 "When people hear this from the futurist world, it's horrifying." Anecdote to share here -- most full preterists I have interacted with online are Protestants. They have shared the horrified reactions and arguments they've gotten into with other Protestants, futurists, over this prophetic hermeneutic. I had this experience as a Protestant. However, there are a few Catholics in the FP community (myself recently included), and we have all experienced far less resistance from other Catholics. I think the Catholic hermeneutic is very similar to FP because it is historically supersessionist (a doctrine repudiated by many Protestant denominations), and the Church is considered the Kingdom/New Jerusalem come to earth (fulfilled Rev. 21-22). No, it is not doctrinally permissible in Catholicism to explicitly deny a future coming of Christ -- however, it is fully acceptable to interpret the book of Revelation etc as completely fulfilled in the 1st century, and many Catholic writers have taught this throughout the ages and do teach this today. While I disagree with some Catholics that the Catholic doctrine of the Second Coming requires that there be a secondary fulfillment of Revelation, it is acceptable within Catholicism to teach that this secondary fulfillment be anagogical -- that is, spiritual -- and that the Parousia may be interpreted in a similar way as well. Eschatological studies is what led me "out of" Judaism to Christ, and "out of" Protestantism to Catholicism -- all told, however, I have a greater appreciation for, and sense of the connections between, all three.
Hyper-Preterism Unmasked:
Is Matthew 10:23 about 70 AD, or is it about Jesus coming as the King to Israel? The answer is found below in Zech. 9:9. Did Jesus "cometh" as the King of Israel riding on a donkey during the week He was crucified? If Matthew 10:23 is about 70 AD, Peter ignored the commandment given by Jesus in Matthew 10:5-7, when Peter went to the house of Cornelius. It did not take the disciples forty years to take the Gospel to Israel. In Romans 1:16 Paul said the Gospel was taken "first" to the Jews. This time period of the Gospel going "first" to Israel is found in Matt. 10:5-23, and Acts chapter 2, and Acts 10:36-38, and Galatians 1:14-18.
Zec 9:9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.
The Old Covenant age died at Calvary when God ripped the temple veil in half from the top to the bottom at the moment His Son died at Calvary. There is no record in the NT of any person coming to salvation outside of the New Covenant between Calvary and 70 AD. Hebrews 7:12 proves there was a change in the law before 70 AD. We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant Church of Mount Zion and the blood of Jesus in Hebrews 12:22-24. This passage was written in the present tense before 70 AD.
If the Hyper-Preterists (Full-Preterists) were correct the Old Covenant age would come back into existence if a temple were rebuilt, and animal sacrifices are renewed.
Any basic book on Astronomy proves we are not now living in the "eternal" New Heavens and New Earth, because the sun only has a limited amount of nuclear fuel. We now understand the nuclear reaction inside the core of the sun, because of the testing of thermonuclear weapons.
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Multiple Second Coming Visions in Revelation: (book not in chronological order )
Christ returns one time in the future. However, there are several different visions of His return shown from different perspectives in the Book of Revelation.
Christ returns at the end of Revelation chapter 6, with signs in the sun, moon, and stars, as are found in the Olivet Discourse.
Those at the end of the chapter are hiding from the wrath of the Lamb.
Why would they be hiding if Christ is not present?
The "kings", "captains", "might men", "free", and "bond" are also found in chapter 19 at the return of Christ.
He returns at the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible, and the time of the judgment of the dead in Revelation 11:15-18.
The beginning of chapter 12 is a history lesson containing the fall of Satan, and the birth and death of Christ, who is the seed promised to crush the head of Satan in Genesis 3:15.
The Second Coming is found in the "harvest" of chapter 14, which is related to the parable of the wheat and tares in Matthew chapter 13.
He comes as a thief at Armageddon, and we find the greatest earthquake in history in chapter 16. This occurs when the 7th angel pours out his vial. How powerful is an earthquake which moves islands and destroys the mountains? What is happening to the planet?
He comes on a horse in chapter 19, right after the Marriage Supper of the Lamb.
Chapter 20?
Does He come with the fire, and the judgment of the dead at the end of chapter 20, which agrees with what Paul said in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, and 2 Timothy 4:1?
(The time of the judgment of the dead is also found in Revelation 11:18.)
There are no mortals left alive on the planet at the end of Matthew 25:31-46.
Why does an angel come down from heaven with a key to unlock the bottomless pit in Revelation 9:1-2, if the pit was not already locked before that time? Are there wicked angels in the pit in Rev. 9:11? If the beast "ascends" from the pit in Rev. chapter 11, where was the beast before that time?
Does your view agree with Peter in 2 Pet. 2:4, and Jude in Jude 1:6, when they both said wicked angels are already in chains of darkness?
Revelation 9:14 proves some of the angels were previously bound in some manner.
Because the two witnesses were bodily resurrected from the dead in Revelation 11, the "first resurrection" at the beginning of Revelation 20 is not the first bodily resurrection in the book.
The principle of "Recapitulation" means there are multiple visions of His return.
why why why why??
The Parousia, by James Stuart Russell. Once you read this, you will burn every dispensational book out there. Look for a free PDF copy online.
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If you read the following, you will see I am against modern Dispensational Theology, which is less than 200 years old.
Who is now the King of Israel in John 1:49? Is the King of Israel now the Head of the Church, and are we His Body? Why did God allow the Romans to destroy the Old Covenant temple and the Old Covenant city, about 40 years after His Son fulfilled the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34 in blood at Calvary?
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart.
Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36)
We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24.
Who is really teaching “Replacement Theology” ?
(Did God fulfill His promises to the Jewish people at Calvary? Matthew 26:28, John 19:30)
The advocates of modern Dispensational Theology often accuse others of promoting “Replacement Theology”, or some may even say “Antisemitism”. What does the Bible say about their accusations?
1. Who is replacing Christ as the seed of Abraham through which all the families of the Earth would be blessed in Genesis 12:3, with Abraham’s modern descendants? (See Paul’s interpretation in Galatians 3:8.)
2. Who is replacing the one people of God in John 10:16, with two peoples of God ?
3. Who is replacing the one seed (Christ) in Galatians 3:16, with the many seeds?
4. Who is replacing the children of the promise in Romans 9:8, with the children of the flesh?
5. Who is replacing the faithful “remnant” of Israelites in Romans 11:1-5, with the Baal worshipers?
6. Who is replacing the word "so" in Romans 11:26, with the word "then"?
7. Who is attempting to replace the Church made up of all races of people, with one made up only of Gentiles? Why did Peter address the crowd as “all the house of Israel” in Acts 2:36, when about 3,000 Israelites accepted Christ on the Day of Pentecost?
8. Based on Hebrews 9:15, the New Covenant cannot be separated from the Messiah’s death. Is the covenant in Daniel 9:27 connected to the Messiah’s death in Daniel 9:26. Is the covenant with the “many” in Daniel 9:27 the same covenant with the “many” in Matthew 26:28? If it is, some have replaced the New Covenant in Daniel 9:27 with a future covenant made by an antichrist not found in Daniel chapter 9. (See the 1599 Geneva Bible used by the Pilgrims.)
9. Those promoting the Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology often accuse others of teaching “Replacement Theology”, but are they the masters of it? Are they promoting a form of Dual Covenant Theology based on race? (See “genealogies” in Titus 3:9) Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis?
10. Watch the RUclips video “Genesis of Dispensational Theology” to see the origin of this man-made doctrine, which is less than 200 years old. It was brought to the United States about the time of the Civil War by John Nelson Darby. The doctrine was later incorporated into the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible, and then spread through much of the modern Church.
Dallas Theological Seminary in Dallas Texas was created in part to promote John Darby’s Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology.
Lewis Sperry Chafer, the first president of Dallas Theological, had the following to say about the difference between Israel and the Church:
“The dispensationalist believes that throughout the ages God is pursuing two distinct purposes: one related to the earth with earthly people and earthly objectives involved which is Judaism; while the other is related to heaven with heavenly people and heavenly objectives involved, which is Christianity.”
Lewis Sperry Chafer, Dispensationalism (Dallas, Seminary Press, 1936), p. 107.
Chafer states that, ‘Israel is an eternal nation, heir to an eternal land, with an eternal kingdom, on which David rules from an eternal throne,’ that is, on earth and distinct from the church who will be in heaven.”
Lewis Sperry Chafer. Systematic Theology. 1975. Vol. IV. pp. 315-323.
John Walvoord, another prominent voice of Dallas Theological stated…
"...it is an article of normative dispensational belief that the boundaries of the land promised to Abraham and his descendants from the Nile to the Euphrates will be literally instituted and that Jesus Christ will return to a literal and theocratic Jewish kingdom centred on a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem. In such a scheme the Church on earth is relegated to the status of a parenthesis.”
John F. Walvoord, The Rapture Question.1979, p. 25
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Are there two peoples of God in John 10:16? (See also 1 John 2:22-23, 2 John 1:7-11.)
What is the land promise to the Old Testament Saints in Hebrews 11:15-16?
(See what Joshua said about the Old Covenant land promise in Josh. 21:43.)
Based on 2 Peter 3:10-13, is this earth “eternal”? Will it be replaced by a new earth?
Based on Acts 2:36, and Romans 9:6-8, and Romans 11:1-5, and Hebrews 12:22-24, and James 1:1-3, can faithful Israel and the Church be separated into two different groups?
Who is the New Covenant promised to in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and is it fulfilled by the blood of Christ at Calvary in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 12:18-24?
Will modern Orthodox Jews ever be saved outside of the New Covenant Church, if the New Covenant is “everlasting” in Hebrews 13:20? (See also 2 Thess. 1:7-10) If the New Covenant has made the Old Covenant “obsolete” in Hebrews 8:6-13, why would God go back to the Old Covenant system during a future time period?
Read the recent book "The Rise and Fall of Dispensationalism", by Daniel G. Hummel.
It's unfortunate that even preterists get 1 Thes 4 wrong. No one goes to heaven and then returns. It's simply saying that you shouldn't sorrow for saved ones who've died. Why? Because they're safe and sound up in heaven. No!....Because if you believe God raised Jesus from the dead, so too will God raise (bring with Jesus) the dead in Christ from the grave.
1 Thes 4 is not saints returning from heaven. It's saints being raised out of the grave. Jesus descends...we "rise".
If the Son of man be lifted up; I will draw all men to me.
57:40 the difficulty with the Biblical “Millennium” is that the term is a reference to a concept which was very familiar to the OT and NT writers but is recorded ins writings not in the current Biblical canon - 1 and 2 Enoch. But you find the doctrine thoroughly explained there. I summarize here: ruclips.net/video/UbmKkgxPvxE/видео.htmlsi=_M9WCRSkX5_JjpWc
The main reason (out of many) that full Preterism is impossible, is there are two sets of 144,000, not one. One is the Old Testament Saints from all the Tribes who followed Moses, archetype of Christ (Rev 7:4).
Revelation 7:4 NASB95
And I heard the number of those who were sealed, one hundred and forty-four thousand sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel:
The other set of 144,000 is from the New Covenant - notice they follow the Lamb on Mount Zion (Spiritual Israel), and not Moses. They sing a new song, not the Law of the flesh, but of Christ in the Spirit. These Saints are redeemed from the whole earth, not just land Israel. People are still being redeemed today, so this prophecy cannot be fulfilled until the fullness of the Gentiles are grafted into Israel (Body of Christ).
Revelation 14:1,3-4 NASB95
Then I looked, and behold, *_the Lamb was standing on Mount Zion,_* and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His name and the name of His Father written on their foreheads.
[3] *_And they sang a new song before the throne_* …; and no one could learn the song except the one hundred and forty-four thousand *_who had been purchased from the earth._*
[4] These are the ones who have not been defiled with women, for they have kept themselves chaste. *_These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes._* These have been *_purchased from among men as first fruits to God and to the Lamb._*
“New Covenant Saints have the firstfruit of the Spirit”
Romans 8:23 NASB95
And not only this, but also *_we ourselves, having the first fruits of the Spirit,_* even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our body.
”In the resurrection therefore, when they shall rise, whose wife shall she be of them? for the seven had her to wife. And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?“
Mark 12:23-24 KJV
”He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.”
Mark 12:27 KJV
Don has written extensively on this. Just study out Leverite marriage and why it was instituted. Then study out Isaiah 56 and the eunuch blessing.
@@jsmyers777 Thanks, but no thanks, I’ll stick with the plain reading here.
Those are completely different subjects/contexts.
No. It is in context. Jesus was responding to a question about Levirate marriage.
@@jsmyers777 OK, but that’s not a term I need to know either :-)
Ok
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Full preterism sounds incredibly complicated.
It's because everything has been redefined in order to make all of Scripture fit around 70AD. What death, resurrection, the body, salvation, new heavens and new earth, etc. mean to you has been totally redefined by full preterists. They use all the same lingo, kinda like Mormons, but what they mean is very different. Thus, when you hear someone like Don give his apologetic, people with an orthodox view strain to figure what exactly he's actually saying. He's trying to sell a bridge to nowhere along with a fancy bottle of snake oil.
The Parousia, by James Stuart Russell. Once you read this, you will burn every dispensational book out there. Look for a free PDF copy online.
@@BertGraef I'm absolutely not a dispensationalist. I never have been.
Don’s presentation here is straightforward. But one of the big problems is when he goes to 1 Cor 15, he has Jesus being bodily resurrected, but the saints being spiritually resurrected.
That’s inconsistent and untenable.
Either it was all spiritual or all physical.
I suppose he would grasp onto the phrase “there is a spiritual body”. Problem: there shouldn’t even be a spiritual body in Preterist world. There should be merely a natural body, a spirit, and a soul.
A spiritual body is a physical body - a glorified, immortal, incorruptible physical body. In that very context, the sun, moon, and stars have spiritual bodies, aka heavenly bodies. These are physical objects.
Further, Christ was made a quickening spirit. That either was the case from his conception/birth, or when he was resurrected. Either way, it’s a fascinating description given that Jesus taught (after his resurrection), that a spirit hath not flesh and bone. And yet Jesus both pre-death and post death has flesh and bone.
It's heresy. Here's a great video on the channel Eschatology Matters explaining the errors of Full Preterism. I learned a lot. ruclips.net/video/FiV3mnqk06M/видео.htmlsi=aUrBF9VvvglF6Ys-
Intro music? lol. Was that intentional? Jesus is coming again
Jesus was the first fruit. And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. 4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the {first fruits) unto God and to the Lamb.
No you’re not going to get into trouble! Focus on what did Christ say? My Kingdom does not come with observation! Where you say look here or look there, the Kingdom is within!
8:25 dating of Apokalipsis
I don't know if my comment will be understood, since my English is not very good.
With regard to what is asked about the "Greek" audience that read Paul's letters, we must realize that the majority of "Gentiles" to whom Paul spoke were Israelite expatriates who were in effect living in areas outside of Jerusalem. In 1 Corinthians 10, Paul himself tells the "Gentiles" that they should not forget that they themselves were descendants of the Hebrews who had crossed the sea.
one of the misinterpretations made of the New Testament , is rightly believing that the "Gentiles" to whom Paul was sent to preach were pagans who had never heard of the God of Israel. On the contrary, there are words in Greek that were translated into Spanish and English without taking into account their differences.
akrobustia (a male who had been circumcised in the flesh, an Israelite, who had discarded his Israelite identity and had become a Gentile.
i.e. the Gentiles to whom Paul was sent to preach the gospel, were Israelites who had been expatriated and had lost their identity as a people and had become LO AMMI (Hosea 1:9)
they were the house of Israel scattered among Gentile nations. For this reason it is that they had any notion of the language that Paul used when referring to the resurrection and the day of the Lord.
When does the preterist say Revelation 21:2 happened: “I saw the New Jerusalem coming down out of Heaven from God…”
By the way, Matthew 24:32 says, “Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 33 Even so, when you see ALL THESE THINGS, you know that it is near, right at the door. 34 Truly I tell you; this generation will certainly not pass away until ALL THESE THINGS have happened. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away." It says when you see these things, you know that it is near.
All the things mentioned in Matthew 24 have NOT happened yet.
14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to ALL the nations, and then the end will come. Even yet the Gospel has NOT been preached in all nations.
21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And unless those days were shortened, NO FLESH WOULD BE SAVED; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened.
We did NOT see such a tribulation in the first century that threatened ALL flesh, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. The terrible time in the first century did NOT surpass the Nazi Holocaust that killed six million Jews and six million others. It did NOT surpass all the World Wars that killed countless millions.
26 “Therefore, if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert!’ do not go out; or ‘Look, He is in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it. 27 For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 28 For wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together.
If Christ returned in the first century, it didn't even make the papers. I'm being somewhat facetious, but if the Glorious 2nd Coming happened in the first century, EVERY nation on the face of the earth should have countless stories of the GREATEST most MAJESTIC event since the flood. Yet there are NONE. I know Josephus and Tacitus made some small mention of mysterious "chariots" in the sky. REALLY? That's it?
29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then ALL the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Certainly, this AMAZING event did NOT happen in the first century. Most preterists in order to combat the FACT that historical records do NOT abound with reports of the Sign of the Son of Man appearing in the heavens and ALL the tribes of the earth seeing it, say well, it was a localized event that ONLY happened in Israel. BUT, the verse says, the Son of Man will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of Heaven to the other. There were Godly people who were trusting in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in other parts of the world. The gathering of His elect will not ONLY involve people living in Israel.
36 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only...Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming. 43 But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. 44 Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect. Those who believe this all happened in the first century must admit, the first century believers were expecting the return of Christ at any moment. At some time before their generation passed away. So, what does it mean when the verse says, "...the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect."
2nd Timothy 2:17 " Their teaching will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus, 18 who have departed from the truth. They say that the resurrection has already taken place, and they destroy the faith of some."
Remember WHO the apostles and Jesus are talking to...it's not us. Paul's books are clearly written to the people of the time. Where does scripture say Jesus is returning again - especially in the flesh - after the destruction of Jerusalem, which happened exactly how and when He said.
Once our eyes are opened to see the first century transition from the natural to the spiritual the Scriptures begin to make sense.
At the time of the end of the Old Covenant age the symbols gave way to substance. The natural age became the spiritual age. The Mosaic kingdom became the Messianic kingdom.
Now, in Him, there is everything needed that’s available for life and godliness. In Him there’s the fulfillment of the land, temple, priesthood, sacrifices, etc.
Jesus is the place of salvation (land). He’s the chief Cornerstone of the new living stones of the spiritual temple. We are kings and priests offering spiritual sacrifices. God dwells with us (in Christ), we are new creations in the new heavens in earth (spiritual). Every tear is wiped away, there is no more death, sorrow, crying or pain because those were related to the old age.
In this way the events of Revelation were as God expressed to John and the seven first century churches. They were about to occur, they were near, shortly and soon (Rev. 1:1,3; 22:6,10).
All prophecy made to Old Covenant Israel regarding their age has been fulfilled. Amen!
The prophesied re-gathering of Israel didn't really kick into gear until May 14, 1948. This certainly is prophecy fulfilled nearly two thousand years AFTER the first century.
Jeremiah 30:1-8 says, "For behold, the days are coming,’ says the Lord, ‘that I will bring back from captivity My people Israel and Judah,’ says the Lord. ‘And I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it...For it shall come to pass in that day,’ Says the Lord of hosts, ‘That I will break his yoke from your neck, and will burst your bonds. Foreigners shall NO MORE enslave them."
This says, the Jews will come back to their land NEVER to be enslaved again. Hitler and his Nazi regime enslaved the Jews in concentration camps and tortured them brutally to death. Six million Jews savagely murdered.
The whole context of this passage is God will bring Israel back into their land, NEVER TO BE ENSLAVED AND TAKEN FROM THEIR LAND AGAIN. This says, NEVER AGAIN.
It definitely happened with Hitler and the Nazis. So, this was a prophecy that ABSOLUTELY was NOT fulfilled in the first century.
I think he is missing some key factors about some words. Like the dead.
Remember when Jesus said “let the dead bury the dead”?
Just one example.
Also the word “world” has 3 different meanings.
PRETERISTS take away from the words of the book of prophecy.
Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
So basically to be a preterist you have to look at the bible as a metaphorical book and also say that the KJV translaters were not that good. It seems most odd doctrines rely on the KJV being mistranslated in the specific area which they need it to be.
That is a pretty unfair characterization to be honest about it. I do not disparage the KJV but it is assuredly NOT the most reliable translation. The KJV translators did a passable job with the MSS that they had available, but we now have exponentially more and better Greek MSS to work with. The wise course is to use the KJV in concert with, for instance the NKJV, the New American Standard and even the New English.
If Nero is 666 (the beast), then why did he die in 68, not 70 or 72?
Rome was the beast, nero was the 6th horn of it (sea beast). Apostate Israel was the land beast which was taken out in 70ad. - Iron and Clay
@farmerj490 everyone seems to forget that Israel declared their independence in 167 BC so the kingdom that followed Greece was not Rome. It was Israel with a Cohen king.
Preterism has officially been laid to rest. RUclips MZTV 336 and 1137-39. Wow. Talk about The witch is dead, the witch is dead. Its remains? Pride, but of course.
As a completely unrelated side note, why do you have the hymn "Jesus is coming again" for your intro? I mean it is a beautiful hymn, but is it meant to disarm pre-tribbers or what?
Because I believe Jesus is coming again.
@TheSpiritofProphecy1611 I do too. It's just a pre-trib hymn. Wasn't sure why you chose that unless it was meant to disarm pre-tribbers.
@@harrison4ever125 How is it a pre-trib hymn?
@kevinsepulveda398 Marvelous message we bring,
Glorious carol we sing,
Wonderful word of the King,
Jesus is coming again!
Chorus
Coming again, Coming again,
May be morning, may be noon,
May be evening and may be soon!
@kevinsepulveda398 still a great song, even if it isn't doctrinally sound....😅 I've been listening to Spirit of Prophecy all day while driving so the song lyrics are stuck in my head now.
You only get this by reading commentaries.
I did not get it out of any commentary. The commentaries that I had were absolutely NOT preterist.
Wow… our friend missed some important scriptures that destroy preterism. Rapture deniers… dominionists and second coming deniers are in for a sudden and severe shock
I cannot believe that you’re letting this man push this document without any comment.. remember you have babes in Christ watching this can be confusing for them.
I will be commenting tomorrow. You can't really answer a matter before hearing it.
@@TheSpiritofProphecy1611 The Parousia, by James Stuart Russell. Once you read this, you will burn every dispensational book out there. Look for a free PDF copy online.
Rome wasn't built in a day. In order to expose these guys, you have to let them talk. Even Jesus didn't give his followers all the answers they were looking for all at once. Many in John 6 were so frustrated with Jesus, because they didn't understand Jesus and had an "I want it now" attitude, that many stopped following Him. Was Jesus to blame for so many departing? I mean after all, he could have given satisfied them with immediate gratification so that they would no longer be struggling in their thoughts, but Jesus didn't do that. Jesus wasn't at fault because that's not how life often works. It's always nice to find nuggets of truth on the surface in a quick and easy spoon-fed way, but often we come across gems of knowledge by lots of intentional digging and searching over lengthy periods of time. For any that are struggling, they ought to spend some time with Jesus and His Word tonight, and then tune into follow up videos where rebuttals will no doubt be offered.
What document
@@Cassiehope888 going to the original Greek , The original Greek does not exist this guy uses this as a cover for teaching. I use the KJV The majority text.. I am sick of hearing teachers always saying, but in the original text..
Please be warned. And, I say this as someone who is personally born again for over 35 years. I have personally debated Don Preston and William Bell online for many years. And, I'm a Full Preterist. Don Preston hides how Covenant Eschatology Full Preterism sees SALVATION. Covenant Eschatology started with Max King in the 1970's. Max came up with the idea of a "40 year covenant change process" and a "40 year resurrection process" for a "corporate/collective body of Israel/Moses/Judaism" that was "raised" in AD 70 as "the corporate/collective body of Christ." That is how Max King, William Bell, and Don Preston (Covenant Eschatology Full Preterism) define the eschatological Resurrection in AD 70 (corporate/collective body resurrection.) They also say this "corporate/collective body of Israel/Moses/Judaism" went through a "40 year atonement process." They teach that salvation for "the Church" ("New Covenant age corporate/collective body") could only happen in AD 70 at the alleged "end of a 40 year atonement process." They deny that the Church was purchased in full in the atoning work of Jesus on the cross in His one and only physical blood and physical body death sacrifice on the cross. They teach that their Christ needed to die a spiritual separation/alienation death on the cross before a physical body death. After this alleged "spiritual separation/alienation death" of their Christ on the cross, they have a "40 year atonement PROCESS" take place that involved various steps that led to the alleged salvation of the Church in AD 70. They do not have the Atonement for the Church take place on the cross. They make up a "40 year Atonement process" that allegedly ended in AD 70. These guys redefine EVERYTHING that pertains to the one and only true Gospel in Scripture. They have a different sacrifice of their Christ than what is in Christianity. They define "the body of the Resurrection" that Paul describes in 1 Corinthians 15 as "a corporate/collective body", when, in fact, Paul is teaching an individual and personal body for each saint raised out from Sheol in the eschatological Resurrection. The radically unhealthy idea of a "40 year covenant change process" and "40 year resurrection process" for a "corporate/collective body" that was "raised from Old Covenant age death in AD 70" is not found in Scripture. The Church did NOT have to go through a "40 year resurrecting process" in order to be "raised" and "saved" in AD 70. The Church was purchased in full in AD 31 in the finished atoning work of Jesus on the cross in His one and only physical blood and physical body death sacrifice. Please be warned of these guys who teach a very different Christ and a very different Gospel of Salvation.
Do you believe the feasts were all fulfilled?
@@kristinbingamon568 Is that the only question you've got after reading my comment?!
@@thebereanpreterist Is it wrong to ask a simple question? I’m not a very wordy person sorry.
@@kristinbingamon568, Did you read what I wrote in my comment?
@@thebereanpreteristyes
What full preterism? Heresy. What is partial preterism? The most consistent way of interpreting scripture imo
Partial preterism denies all prophecy being fulfilled already - which both Jesus and Daniel said would happen THEN.
24:11 - _"I think one of the greatest mistakes that I used to make that I think is so prevalent in the Futurist world is the idea that Jesus was going to come back...as a...5 foot 5 Jewish man."_
24:43 - _"He [Christ] was to be revealed as Lord, as King of kings and Lord of lords, as the Alpha and the Omega, as the first and the last.......in his day - that is in Christ's day, that is the day of the Lord - he will reveal who is the only true God, the King of kings and the Lord of lords. That's him. He's not the Father. But he's equal with the Father in the 'Trinity' as we sometimes call it."_
The idea that Jesus is going to come back in physical form is every bit as carnal-minded and unbiblical as the idea that Christ and the Father are two distinct persons in a so-called "Trinity".
The coming of the Lord in 70 AD was the coming of the one true God, *the omnipotent and **_unipersonal_** Spirit* whose name is revealed to be the name which is above _every_ name: *JESUS.*
Did Peter believe the end would come in his generation? If he did, why would he say this?
2Pe 3:8 ¶ But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
9 ¶ The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Mr 13:30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.
That one little scripture is what caused the false doctrines of preterism, which claims that all of the prophecies were fulfilled by 70 AD. But the Greek word "genea" which was translated generation in English doesn't just mean the span of a man's life. It also means an age or an era as well as a nation. Though it is true, people of every era thought the end might come in their lifetime. But that isn't what Jesus said, it is what they inferred from what he said. Jesus was saying, this current state of the world won't end until every prophecy is fulfilled.
Eph 3:20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,
21 Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages (genea), world without end. Amen.
The book of Hosea foretold how long it would be.
Hosea 6:1-3 Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up. After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight. Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth.
The first two verses of Hosea 6 are obviously salvation verses. In verse 1, Jesus reconciles us to God by taking our sins to the cross. In verse 2, He returns to resurrect us and receive His kingdom. The two day (two thousand years) would be from Jesus' crucifixion. If He was crucified in 31 AD, His coming would be two thousand years from then. The "former and latter rain" are Jesus' first and second coming. If two days is two thousand years, Jesus' coming would be two thousand years from His leaving. The third day would be the millennial kingdom.
The preterists and the futurists are both right and both wrong and neither can see how to put the two together. The prophecies began when Jesus sat down at the right hand of the Father. That is when he prevailed to open the book. The seals began to be opened right then. They won't cease until Jesus returns.
We are nearly two thousand years into prophecies of Revelation. The first five seals are already open. The Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, prevailed to open the book and to loose its seals. The four horsemen have been riding ever since. The fifth seal, the martyrdom of the saints, has been going on since the stoning of Stephen in Acts 7.
The first six seals of Revelation harmonize perfectly with Matthew 24:4-29. The Bible does not say "the great tribulation". It says there will be great tribulation. Jesus said in John 16:33, "In the world ye shall have tribulation. Be of good cheer. I have overcome the world." We have not been waiting for tribulation to come. We have been living in it all along. The very end is called "the day of the Lord." Jesus said that until He returns, there will arise false churches, wars and rumors of wars, famines, pestilence, earthquakes, persecution and martyrdom. Jesus called these "the beginning of sorrows" and they coincide exactly with the seals of Revelation.
Jesus began to open these seals after He was resurrected and “set down at the right hand of the throne of God.” The first five seals correspond precisely with Matthew 24:4-9.
And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see. And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer. Revelation 6:1-2
This passage agrees with Matthew 24:4-5, which states,
And Jesus answered and said unto them. Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
The rider of the white horse is false Christianity and the conquering is the deception of many.
And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see. And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword. Revelation 6:3-4
Compare this to Matthew 24:6-7,
And ye shall hear of wars and rumors of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:…
The comparison between these two is obvious.Revelation 6:5-6 says,
And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand. And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
The measuring of food in the balances represents famine.Matthew 24:7 agrees,
…: and there shall be famines and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
The oil and the wine represents opulence and abundance. By adding, “see thou hurt not the oil and the wine,” this verse shows that while part of the world goes hungry, others have plenty.
And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see. And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth. Revelation 6:7-8
“The beasts of the earth” are despotic governments, as is the beast of Revelation 13. The pale horse rider is death, caused by the wars, famines, diseases, and natural disasters of Matthew 24:6-7.
All these are the beginning of sorrows. Matthew 24:8
The four horsemen of the Apocalypse have been riding for nearly two thousand years. It is simply the state of the world that we live in. The fifth seal is also loosed. It had a former fulfillment with all of the Christians who were martyred in the past. It also has a future fulfillment.
And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the alter the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, 0 Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were. should be fulfilled. Revelation 6:9-11
Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake. Matthew 24:9
These circumstances have been occurring all of our lifetimes. We have simply failed to equate them with these prophecies.
We have been living in the time of the first five seals of Revelation ever since Jesus became worthy to open the seals by overcoming the world. The sixth seal is what comes as a thief in the night and begins the day of the Lord. Once it starts, everything will transpire very quickly.
Revelation 6:12-13 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Joel 2:31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.
The sixth seal is a signpost that marks the end of the tribulation and the beginning of the Day of the Lord. There is not really a time called the great tribulation. Tribulation is a general description of the state of the world. It simply means times of trouble. “The tribulation of those days,” before the sixth seal, will be over when the sixth seal is opened. The tribulation of “the day of the Lord” will be much worse.
Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Mark 13:19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.
Revelation 6:14-17 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
Isaiah 2:12 For the day of the Lord of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low:
Isaiah 2:19-21 And they shall go into the holes of the rocks, and into the caves of the earth, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth. In that day a man shall cast his idols of silver, and his idols of gold, which they made each one for himself to worship, to the moles and to the bats; To go into the clefts of the rocks, and into the tops of the ragged rocks, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth.
Psalm 76:5-7 The stouthearted are spoiled, they have slept their sleep: and none of the men of might have found theirs hands. At thy rebuke, O God of Jacob, both the chariot and horse are cast into a deep sleep. Thou, even thou, art to be feared: and who may stand in thy sight when once thou art angry?
Luke 21:25-26 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; Men’s hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
Zephaniah 1:14-17 The great day of the LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly. That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness, A day of the trumpet and alarm against the fenced cities, and against the high towers. And I will bring distress upon men, that they shall walk like blind men, because they have sinned against the LORD: and their blood shall be poured out as dust, and their flesh as the dung.
Isaiah 13:13 Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.
Isaiah 24:19-20 The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly. The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.
Psalm 76:12 He shall cut off the spirit of princes: he is terrible to the kings of the earth.
Isaiah 13:9-11 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it. For the stars of heaven and the constellations therefore shall not give her light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine. And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.
People talk about a pre-tribulation rapture. It is too late for that. We were born in the tribulation. It began in the first century and it will end with the sixth seal. But the things that were set in motion by opening the seals will continue through to Armageddon. The tribulation period ends with the sixth seal and the Day of the Lord begins with the opening of the seventh seal and will continue through judgment day.
2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
Revelation 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
The day of the Lord will come just like the flood came in Noah’s day. People went about their lives completely oblivious to what was going on around them; right up until "the flood came, and destroyed them all." Our generation is exactly the same. The day Christ returns, there will be two in a bed; one will be taken, and the other left. There will be two grinding at the mill; one will be taken, and the other left. There will be two working in the field; one will be taken and the other left. Where will the one be taken? Answer: Wherever the corpse is, the vultures will be gathered together. What about the ones who are left? Answer: They are the mortal humans who will repopulate the earth during the thousand year reign. And the Christians of the first resurrection will be their rulers.
Re 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
The rider on the white horse in Revelation 6 is the Lord Jesus Christ. There’s even a famous hymn written about it “Victory Through Grace”. The Bible interprets itself. Jesus is the rider on the white horse in revelation 19, and he’s the rider in revelation 6.
@@EveretteMoon Yes the Bible does interpret itself. That is why I showed how it perfectly aligns with Matthew 24.
@@lonnierandall7882 Revelation is history, not prophecy for today. All things were to be fulfilled "shortly". Rev 1:1. 2000 years is not shortly.
@@BertGraef It doesn't say "shortly be fullfilled", it says, "shortly come to pass." The things in Revelation were soon to begin, not soon to finish. But 2000 years is only as two days to God.
Matthew 25 this did not happen in 70 AD. Quit leading people away from the truth of scripture. There was no great judgment in 70 AD of all Nations
Matthew 25:32-46 KJVS
And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: [33] And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. [34] Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: [35] For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: [36] Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. [37] Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? [38] When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? [39] Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? [40] And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. [41] Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: [42] For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: [43] I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. [44] Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? [45] Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. [46] And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Take your ego out of the prophecy. Read revelation with (only Israel as the whole of the world), and the year 70ad is the end of the revelation.. remember that Jesus' kingdom is spirit not flesh.
That perspective creates a private interpretation that is powerless to counter alternative less than literal views.
The beauty of Revelation is that it plainly reveals the future. It’s a literal book, and yes that includes Revelation 12 and 13
@ProjectCould ... ok, you be you boo.
@@charlesco7413 ”Beware therefore, lest that come upon you, which is spoken of in the prophets; Behold, ye despisers, and wonder, and perish: For I work a work in your days, A work which ye shall in no wise believe, though a man declare it unto you.“
Acts 13:40-41 KJV
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PRETERISTS take away from the words of the book of prophecy.
Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
@@qwerty-so6ml so the truely unpardonable sin is... (taking away from the book of revelation?)
Pastor McMurtry how about I just stick to reading the KJV and listen to Baptists like you who preach from the Bible. And how about I not listen to Don "The Preterist" Preston. Thanks
That sounds like, "Just tell me what I want to hear, pastor." A pastors job isn't to tickle ears by giving people a tradition or telling them only things that they are comfortable with. His job isn't to make sure you never wrestle, to spoon feed you, or to make sure truth goes down and easy. We don't live in an echo chamber, and you're not learning anything new if you're not challenged. I don't agree at all with full preterism, but if you don't know how to answer these smooth talking men in a way that gives real explanatory power, then you or your children will pay when they turn to these abhorrent teachings. Truth is not afraid of examination.
@@PreachingPolitics I've read all your comments on here. You are very wise and spiritually mature, and I appreciate your thoughtful answers. Helps out us who are still growing!
Why not read the Septuagint also. Have you ever compared the Masoretic KJV with the LXX Septuagint?
@@christianmichael8 I have a good friend and brother who is doing just that. He's found that there are a lot of verses missing from the Masoretic text but which are in the Septuagint. And since the Masoretic was translated by Talmudic Rabbis, I don't think I want to solely rely on it. They have a Septuagint on the Bible Hub app.
Omg…his escathology is catastrophic.
Besides being wrong, it's also horrible to listen to😮
I stopped at 20 minutes in.
A load of "hogwash". You have twisted scriptures, and a Jesus denier. Get saved, both of you.
Do you disagree with the following video?
Bible way to heaven ruclips.net/video/XCV1Pd7VFD8/видео.htmlsi=XtCEd0t4N0WTiFIn
What? Both of them? No! Only Don Preston! Pastor Tommy is a faithful man of God. I may not agree with everything he says but you're just wrong on saying he isn't saved. You don't know him so how dare you say something so foolish! With your attitude maybe it's you that needs salvation.
@@christalone71 Could everyone please stop wielding "get saved" as a weapon? Yes SonOfGodJesus78, you were right to question what this other fellow said. Obviously he stumbled on this video and took Pastor Tommy's silence as an endorsement for what D. Preston was saying. Obviously he missed Pastor Tommy's entire introduction where he clearly stated he was going to allow D. Preston to have the floor, after which he would release a video refuting everything. But I think you may agree that instead of questioning his SALVATION, you might've been wiser to question his listening skills.
There are a great many reasons non-believers refuse our message. Too many to count. But one of them, I believe, is the comical way in which we wiggle our fingers in everybody's faces and threaten them with eternal hellfire because they said something we don't like. We have to be better than that.
You are more than welcome to try and prove that what I said is wrong. Throwing insults and accusations has no probative value. I do not deny Christ. He is my Lord and Savior.