If all of prophecy was fulfilled in the first century, then the forty-nine generations of the church after that first one are left out of all prophetic fulfillment. When the Bible says, "For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord." Are you saying that promise ONLY applied to that first generation of the Church and the rest of us are left out!? Titus 2:11-13 says, "For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to ALL men, 12 teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age, 13 looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ." It says, "For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to ALL men...looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ." It can't be for ALL men if it already happened in the first century. As of this date 90% of the church has been born AFTER the first century." So we, the church, don't get to look for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ." It already happened.
decades ago i was sharing what I had learned in my personal study and was being called a Preterist. . . something i have never heard of in my llfe, . . . "A Preterist" ? i was stunned actually because it set me on a new direction to find the meaning of the word "Preterist" and that led me to online searches where one day I found funny Don K Preston and have enjoyed his down to earth bible interpretations ever since . . .
How fun. One of my favorite Bible teachers - Mr. Preston’s knowledge of Scripture is inspiring, and I appreciate that he’s a lifelong learner. Thanks for sharing your time and this interview!
Preston is simply brilliant. It is all over the New Testament how the writers fully expected Jesus to return while they were still alive. That idea came from Jesus and the Old Testament.
I'm 45 but listening to full preterist eschatology makes me feel like I'm "being bad," like taking my first sip of whisky, or hiding behind the shed with a cigarette 😂
If Jesus said that he was going to return quickly, in their generation in the first century BUT churches today want us to believe he didn't come like he said he would, then there is a big problem.
@medicalmisinformation there are 100 verses in the NT that speak to the imminent return of Jesus in the 1st century. Toadhouse7 Homestead has done an excellent study on these verses. You can find the videos about this under "Playlists" It Is Written: Understanding the Timing of the Millennial Reign.
There's not 2 second comings of the Lord so it's either first century coming or it's still future. This "generation" Jesus mentioned in the Olivet Discourse was the generation of His day not some generation thousands of years in the future. @@medicalmisinformation
I agree with you Sean, I see so much pointing to the church being the kingdom and it standing forever. I see inconsistencies in the idea that it was all done for Israel and we are the beneficiaries but that stops after AD70. I don’t think it ever stops. If it stops then IO people would be more correct than the rest of us. It’s eternal kingdom with kings and priests.
First time seeing your channel. Just started the video. I’m FP and have also been feeling an urge toward orthodoxy/catholicism but can’t rectify it with my mind right now. Thanks in advance for this
46:46 The 1000 yr reign from my studies seems to coincide with Abraham. Abe was promised 1000 generations, but when you count it in time is was 42 generations, likewise Christs reign of 1000 years in time began 31AD when he was enthroned on the cross until 73AD 42 years later. Also referring back to Enoch 10 lets us in on the timing of the final judgement when we pair it with Luke’s genealogy Enoch to Christ.
The thousand years is a really fascinating one. I did a long multi-part study (you can find it in my Theology playlist), but more recently, I shared this short 2 part study: ruclips.net/video/UbmKkgxPvxE/видео.htmlsi=N7c3T2wQDUk3BhLs
Sean, kind of on the same journey as you 😅 from Adventist ( 4th gen) - to Preterism and now starting RCIA in fall - and seeing the church as a fulfillment - Love the whole conversation and it would be awesome to have someone like Scott Hahn or brant Pitre on… I do think that Scott Hahn is at least open to partial preterism - as he has mentioned that in his Mass study / and Revelation 😊
“Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away.” Heaven and earth have not yet passed away. The heavens and earth that now exist are stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgement.
Babylon was old covenant Jerusalem. Revelation 11:8 "Their bodies will lie in the street of the great city-figuratively called Sodom and Egypt-where their Lord was also crucified." Where was the Lord crucified? Sodom? Egypt? Jerusalem? Yes, Jerusalem.
My man! Awesome discussion, you got me excited, it would be unbelievable to have Scott hann, akin and Petrie to dialogue about with don Preston on full preterim even NT wright would be great to get in on this discussion
Derich Jester can be way off sometimes I think. When he says stuff like, “go watch some porn,” and “ have sex with whoever you want whenever youwant” I get that check in my spirit that this is now getting way off and weird.
Thanks Sean. I am very interested in hearing how you think their gathering of the house of Israel played out from the Roman Catholic perspective. Since Roman Catholics believe Peter was in Rome, instead of Babylon, Egypt. Thank you!
Scott Hahn is undoubtedly preterist leaning. His book on Revelation makes that clear. For Catholics, the ending of the age of Mosaic sacrifice i(70 AD) inaugurated the exclusively Eucharistic Age of Paschal Sacrifice, where Christ raptured his saints, on and under the earth, into His Body at the Father's Side, above the earth. That is, going forward down the aisle (as it were) to receive Jesus coming down from heaven in the form of bread, the Spirit gathers the believer into Christ's mystical Body, and then thereafter, Jesus commends him or her back down into the world to minister to his suffering but Wanna-Be future members.
Acts 20:28-30, 'Watch out for yourselves and for all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God that he obtained with the blood of his own Son. I know that after I am gone fierce wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. Even from among your own group men will arise, teaching perversions of the truth to draw the disciples away after them.' Paul's prophetic utterance certainly came to pass with doctrines concerning Mary and the false invention of a special class of Sainthood and Priesthood and headlong fall into the institution of Christendom.
To be fair, in the preterist interpretation, the fulfillment of this prediction necessarily had to be before AD 70, the great apostasy referenced throughout scripture. However, this reference to “wolves” referred to Judaizers, who taught obedience to the Laws of Moses. This is a recurring theme in scripture and this understanding is not exclusively preterist either. I think you’d be surprised how scriptural Mariology is, and how large Mary looms in eschatology. Luke certainly felt Mariological fulfillments were worth documenting in his gospel, whose purpose was to be “an account of the things that have been fulfilled” - that is, eschatologically - “among us”. Perhaps I’ll talk more about this in a future video! Thanks for listening.
@@realSeanMcMahon Preterism, like every view, contains some truths. But to say everything is fulfilled is very problematic. The Futurist has little truth, if any. Perhaps the Historicist view is more balanced. REV 1:19 tells John to write down what he sees now and what is to come later. What that 'later' means, definitively, is not made clear. Catholicism is a bigger issue. Christendom, which is the progeny of the Roman prostitute, has its origin in pagan superstition, the religious institutions which began at Babel. The true church is the body of believers, the body of Christ. This is the church to which you should want to belong.
You (Don Preston) have read a book, listened to a radio broadcast, heard a sermon, watched a TV evangelist and have made up your mind in spite of what scripture says. Revelation 20 says, "Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a THOUSAND YEARS; 3 and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the THOUSAND YEARS were finished." I guess the Holy Spirit made a mistake when He told John to write about the THOUSAND YEARS. He really meant the forty years. Satan who the Bible calls the "god of this world, and a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour" has not been bound so as to NOT deceive the nations...There has not been a time in human history where the nations of the world were not deceived. The nations of the worlds have always worshipped false gods from Jupiter and Zeus to Allah and any one of the three hundred million Hindu gods. Murder, rape, and crimes of all kinds have been the lot of this world down through history. Satan has not yet been bound, but one day: Isaiah 11 speaking of Jesus says, He will not judge by what he sees with his eyes, or decide by what he hears with his ears; 4 but with righteousness he will judge the needy, with justice he will give decisions for the poor of the earth. He will strike the earth with the rod of his mouth; with the breath of his lips he will slay the wicked. 5 Righteousness will be his belt and faithfulness the sash around his waist. 6 The wolf will live with the lamb, the leopard will lie down with the goat, the calf and the lion and the yearling together; and a little child will lead them. 7 The cow will feed with the bear, their young will lie down together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox. 8 The infant will play near the cobra’s den, and the young child will put its hand into the viper’s nest. 9 They will neither harm nor destroy on all my holy mountain, for the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the Lord as the waters cover the sea. 10 In that day the Root of Jesse will stand as a banner for the peoples; the nations will rally to him, and his resting place will be glorious. This time has not yet come, but one day will.
54:57 - ALREADY (was spiritual death abolished at the resurrection; 2 Tim 1:10) BUT NOT YET (had the telos [e.g., Matt 24:3, 6; 1 Cor 15:24; Heb 6:1; Rev 20:5] been reached until the temple's destruction [Dan 12:7; Luke 21:20-22], AD70). Blessings, Snazzy the Preterist
56:57 - Are Preterists over spiritual? Or, are non-prets UNDER spiritual? 1 Corinthians 2:12-16 MEV - Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit which is of God, so that we might know the things that are freely given to us by God. 13 These things also we proclaim, NOT in the words which MAN ’s WISDOM teaches, but which the Holy Spirit teaches, COMPARING SPIRITUAL THINGS with SPIRITUAL. 14 But the NATURAL MAN does NOT RECEIVE the things of the Spirit of God, for they are FOOLISHNESS to him; NOR CAN he know them, because THEY ARE SPIRITUALLY DISCERNED. 15 But he who is SPIRITUAL judges ALL THINGS. Yet he himself is NOT judged by ANYONE. 16 For “who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct Him?” (Isa 40:13) But WE have the mind of Christ.
The purpose of the spiritual language and having the spiritual mindset was down to fulfillment. The Old Covenant law and prophets were going to be fulfilled, but they were going to be fulfilled spiritually. As St.Paul said, "first the natural, then the spiritual". This a covenantal language. The natural was the Old Covenant and the spiritual was the New Covenant.
You mis-typed. I think what you meant to write is "It's a little but embarrassing that full preterism came from Jesus." Fixed it. :) But, seriously where do preterists like Preston say that their beliefs come from a Jesuit? Do they not appeal directly to the words of Christ, the apostles, and the prophets in Scripture?
@@michelhaineault6654 Disputed, and a bit anachronistic at that. Nonetheless, it wouldn’t be the first time a Catholic came out with some whacky doctrines. Case in point: Arius, Montanus, all the way down to Luther, just to name a few! To be fair, these were all “schismatics”. There is also quite a bit of doctrinal wiggle room in the Church so, yes, sometimes there are folks in good standing whose theology might not be quite the same as another’s, which might never catch on (such as Ribera’s) or might fall out of favor (such as Teilhard de Chardin’s). Nonetheless, a more congenial situation than that enjoyed by, for example, Calvin and Servetus.
Here’s my response video: ruclips.net/video/RdPQiDLnE9E/видео.htmlsi=vrIPrbGYByPsMpJw
I've learned more about scripture from Don Preston than 50 years of redundant, package sermons, and denominational bias of "going " to church
For me, it started with finding out that the “Babylon” of Revelations was in fact JERUSALEM!
If all of prophecy was fulfilled in the first century, then the forty-nine generations of the church after that first one are left out of all prophetic fulfillment. When the Bible says, "For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord." Are you saying that promise ONLY applied to that first generation of the Church and the rest of us are left out!?
Titus 2:11-13 says, "For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to ALL men, 12 teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age, 13 looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ."
It says, "For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to ALL men...looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ." It can't be for ALL men if it already happened in the first century. As of this date 90% of the church has been born AFTER the first century." So we, the church, don't get to look for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ." It already happened.
decades ago i was sharing what I had learned in my personal study and was being called a Preterist. . . something i have never heard of in my llfe, . . . "A Preterist" ? i was stunned actually because it set me on a new direction to find the meaning of the word "Preterist" and that led me to online searches where one day I found funny Don K Preston and have enjoyed his down to earth bible interpretations ever since . . .
How fun. One of my favorite Bible teachers - Mr. Preston’s knowledge of Scripture is inspiring, and I appreciate that he’s a lifelong learner. Thanks for sharing your time and this interview!
Thanks for listening!
Preston is simply brilliant. It is all over the New Testament how the writers fully expected Jesus to return while they were still alive. That idea came from Jesus and the Old Testament.
We love you both guys. ❤
I'm 45 but listening to full preterist eschatology makes me feel like I'm "being bad," like taking my first sip of whisky, or hiding behind the shed with a cigarette 😂
If Jesus said that he was going to return quickly, in their generation in the first century BUT churches today want us to believe he didn't come like he said he would, then there is a big problem.
@skadoosh20 I think it can have both meanings: soon AD 70, and SWIFTLY at the future parousia; not "either/or."
@medicalmisinformation there are 100 verses in the NT that speak to the imminent return of Jesus in the 1st century. Toadhouse7 Homestead has done an excellent study on these verses. You can find the videos about this under "Playlists" It Is Written: Understanding the Timing of the Millennial Reign.
There's not 2 second comings of the Lord so it's either first century coming or it's still future. This "generation" Jesus mentioned in the Olivet Discourse was the generation of His day not some generation thousands of years in the future. @@medicalmisinformation
I agree with you Sean, I see so much pointing to the church being the kingdom and it standing forever.
I see inconsistencies in the idea that it was all done for Israel and we are the beneficiaries but that stops after AD70.
I don’t think it ever stops. If it stops then IO people would be more correct than the rest of us. It’s eternal kingdom with kings and priests.
"Coming Soon" by Michael Barber is a full preterist commentary on the book of Revelation by a Catholic and from a Catholic perspective.
Whoa! Had no idea. Thanks for the recommendation
First time seeing your channel. Just started the video. I’m FP and have also been feeling an urge toward orthodoxy/catholicism but can’t rectify it with my mind right now. Thanks in advance for this
Thanks for listening! You might appreciate this then: ruclips.net/video/YjZ6W4NyOAs/видео.htmlsi=dUQ775negCx-w9YD
And this is the FP study that led me to Catholicism: ruclips.net/video/vz5Kori8KnY/видео.htmlsi=Eawnh-sGJ3vyvga1
And lastly, this one, out today! ruclips.net/video/mM9r9uoZd-Y/видео.htmlsi=DLdxI1hkNAvnks-U
46:46 The 1000 yr reign from my studies seems to coincide with Abraham. Abe was promised 1000 generations, but when you count it in time is was 42 generations, likewise Christs reign of 1000 years in time began 31AD when he was enthroned on the cross until 73AD 42 years later. Also referring back to Enoch 10 lets us in on the timing of the final judgement when we pair it with Luke’s genealogy Enoch to Christ.
The thousand years is a really fascinating one. I did a long multi-part study (you can find it in my Theology playlist), but more recently, I shared this short 2 part study: ruclips.net/video/UbmKkgxPvxE/видео.htmlsi=N7c3T2wQDUk3BhLs
I love Don ❤ thank you brother!
Sean, kind of on the same journey as you 😅 from Adventist ( 4th gen) - to Preterism and now starting RCIA in fall - and seeing the church as a fulfillment -
Love the whole conversation and it would be awesome to have someone like Scott Hahn or brant Pitre on… I do think that Scott Hahn is at least open to partial preterism - as he has mentioned that in his Mass study / and Revelation 😊
I’d love to hear more about your story! Drop me a line
“Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away.”
Heaven and earth have not yet passed away.
The heavens and earth that now exist are stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgement.
Babylon was old covenant Jerusalem. Revelation 11:8 "Their bodies will lie in the street of the great city-figuratively called Sodom and Egypt-where their Lord was also crucified."
Where was the Lord crucified? Sodom? Egypt? Jerusalem? Yes, Jerusalem.
My man! Awesome discussion, you got me excited, it would be unbelievable to have Scott hann, akin and Petrie to dialogue about with don Preston on full preterim even NT wright would be great to get in on this discussion
What scriptures tell us what happens to us when we die? If EVERYTHING has already been fulfilled?
1:12:34 i call it “hitting the ATM” “at the moment” i think this…
Make a interview with derich jester plz
Never heard of him! Recommend a video?
@@realSeanMcMahon ruclips.net/video/fU33RaH3DjE/видео.htmlsi=TQ8_Is2RgQbuYg9f
Derich Jester can be way off sometimes I think. When he says stuff like, “go watch some porn,” and “ have sex with whoever you want whenever youwant” I get that check in my spirit that this is now getting way off and weird.
54:45 we also have Christ handing the kingdoms of men and his kingdom to the father so that God may be all in all. 1 Cor 15:24-28
Thanks Sean. I am very interested in hearing how you think their gathering of the house of Israel played out from the Roman Catholic perspective. Since Roman Catholics believe Peter was in Rome, instead of Babylon, Egypt. Thank you!
@@soteriology400
My comment wasn't a response to yours. Sorry.
@@robertcain3426No worries brother. 👍
Hey there! That’s an interesting question, could you flesh it out a bit more so I can chew on it a bit more?
Scott Hahn is undoubtedly preterist leaning. His book on Revelation makes that clear. For Catholics, the ending of the age of Mosaic sacrifice i(70 AD) inaugurated the exclusively Eucharistic Age of Paschal Sacrifice, where Christ raptured his saints, on and under the earth, into His Body at the Father's Side, above the earth. That is, going forward down the aisle (as it were) to receive Jesus coming down from heaven in the form of bread, the Spirit gathers the believer into Christ's mystical Body, and then thereafter, Jesus commends him or her back down into the world to minister to his suffering but Wanna-Be future members.
"Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.”
Acts 20:28-30, 'Watch out for yourselves and for all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God that he obtained with the blood of his own Son. I know that after I am gone fierce wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. Even from among your own group men will arise, teaching perversions of the truth to draw the disciples away after them.'
Paul's prophetic utterance certainly came to pass with doctrines concerning Mary and the false invention of a special class of Sainthood and Priesthood and headlong fall into the institution of Christendom.
To be fair, in the preterist interpretation, the fulfillment of this prediction necessarily had to be before AD 70, the great apostasy referenced throughout scripture. However, this reference to “wolves” referred to Judaizers, who taught obedience to the Laws of Moses. This is a recurring theme in scripture and this understanding is not exclusively preterist either. I think you’d be surprised how scriptural Mariology is, and how large Mary looms in eschatology. Luke certainly felt Mariological fulfillments were worth documenting in his gospel, whose purpose was to be “an account of the things that have been fulfilled” - that is, eschatologically - “among us”. Perhaps I’ll talk more about this in a future video! Thanks for listening.
@@realSeanMcMahon
Preterism, like every view, contains some truths. But to say everything is fulfilled is very problematic. The Futurist has little truth, if any. Perhaps the Historicist view is more balanced. REV 1:19 tells John to write down what he sees now and what is to come later. What that 'later' means, definitively, is not made clear.
Catholicism is a bigger issue. Christendom, which is the progeny of the Roman prostitute, has its origin in pagan superstition, the religious institutions which began at Babel.
The true church is the body of believers, the body of Christ. This is the church to which you should want to belong.
You (Don Preston) have read a book, listened to a radio broadcast, heard a sermon, watched a TV evangelist and have made up your mind in spite of what scripture says. Revelation 20 says, "Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a THOUSAND YEARS; 3 and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the THOUSAND YEARS were finished." I guess the Holy Spirit made a mistake when He told John to write about the THOUSAND YEARS. He really meant the forty years. Satan who the Bible calls the "god of this world, and a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour" has not been bound so as to NOT deceive the nations...There has not been a time in human history where the nations of the world were not deceived. The nations of the worlds have always worshipped false gods from Jupiter and Zeus to Allah and any one of the three hundred million Hindu gods. Murder, rape, and crimes of all kinds have been the lot of this world down through history. Satan has not yet been bound, but one day:
Isaiah 11 speaking of Jesus says,
He will not judge by what he sees with his eyes,
or decide by what he hears with his ears;
4 but with righteousness he will judge the needy,
with justice he will give decisions for the poor of the earth.
He will strike the earth with the rod of his mouth;
with the breath of his lips he will slay the wicked.
5 Righteousness will be his belt
and faithfulness the sash around his waist.
6 The wolf will live with the lamb,
the leopard will lie down with the goat,
the calf and the lion and the yearling together;
and a little child will lead them.
7 The cow will feed with the bear,
their young will lie down together,
and the lion will eat straw like the ox.
8 The infant will play near the cobra’s den,
and the young child will put its hand into the viper’s nest.
9 They will neither harm nor destroy
on all my holy mountain,
for the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the Lord
as the waters cover the sea.
10 In that day the Root of Jesse will stand as a banner for the peoples; the nations will rally to him, and his resting place will be glorious.
This time has not yet come, but one day will.
Hi Don, what are your thoughts on Gal, 1:8,9?
54:57 - ALREADY (was spiritual death abolished at the resurrection; 2 Tim 1:10) BUT NOT YET (had the telos [e.g., Matt 24:3, 6; 1 Cor 15:24; Heb 6:1; Rev 20:5] been reached until the temple's destruction [Dan 12:7; Luke 21:20-22], AD70).
Blessings,
Snazzy the Preterist
Informative refutation of preterism. It's all a big mistranslation. RUclips MZTV 336 and MZTV 1137-39.
56:57 - Are Preterists over spiritual? Or, are non-prets UNDER spiritual?
1 Corinthians 2:12-16 MEV - Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit which is of God, so that we might know the things that are freely given to us by God. 13 These things also we proclaim, NOT in the words which MAN ’s WISDOM teaches, but which the Holy Spirit teaches, COMPARING SPIRITUAL THINGS with SPIRITUAL. 14 But the NATURAL MAN does NOT RECEIVE the things of the Spirit of God, for they are FOOLISHNESS to him; NOR CAN he know them, because THEY ARE SPIRITUALLY DISCERNED. 15 But he who is SPIRITUAL judges ALL THINGS. Yet he himself is NOT judged by ANYONE. 16 For
“who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct Him?” (Isa 40:13)
But WE have the mind of Christ.
The purpose of the spiritual language and having the spiritual mindset was down to fulfillment. The Old Covenant law and prophets were going to be fulfilled, but they were going to be fulfilled spiritually. As St.Paul said, "first the natural, then the spiritual". This a covenantal language. The natural was the Old Covenant and the spiritual was the New Covenant.
Brother Preston, I don't agree with you that the Church of Christ is a denomination.
Said at time 4:06
preterists are so wrong. rev 1-12 happened 70 ad but rev 13-22 is still future
It's a little bit embarrassing that full preterism come from a Jesuit.
You mis-typed. I think what you meant to write is "It's a little but embarrassing that full preterism came from Jesus."
Fixed it. :)
But, seriously where do preterists like Preston say that their beliefs come from a Jesuit? Do they not appeal directly to the words of Christ, the apostles, and the prophets in Scripture?
That idea is disputed. But if so, go Jesuits! St. Ignatius of Loyola, pray for us
@@realSeanMcMahon Dispensationalism come from Francisco Ribeiro also a Jesuit....
@@philoalethia It's history BUT for partial preterist it's different it exist since many century
@@michelhaineault6654 Disputed, and a bit anachronistic at that. Nonetheless, it wouldn’t be the first time a Catholic came out with some whacky doctrines. Case in point: Arius, Montanus, all the way down to Luther, just to name a few! To be fair, these were all “schismatics”. There is also quite a bit of doctrinal wiggle room in the Church so, yes, sometimes there are folks in good standing whose theology might not be quite the same as another’s, which might never catch on (such as Ribera’s) or might fall out of favor (such as Teilhard de Chardin’s). Nonetheless, a more congenial situation than that enjoyed by, for example, Calvin and Servetus.