ACB Mini-Lesson 66 (pardon the typo on the screen): Red Rot and Valve Compression
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- Опубликовано: 23 мар 2021
- [Links in description] I love vintage trumpets and have many in my own collection. Some of the coolest designs (and best sounds!) are found among older instruments. But they can have some problems as well. The issues we see most often with vintage horns are poor valve compression and the dreaded "redrot." Here's how to tell if a horn your looking at has one of these issues!
1:35 What is redrot? It's the process of "dezincification," which is the process of acids from saliva and food particles start breaking down the inner surface of your leadpipe and tuning slide. The telltale sign is a small round spot with a little nipple-like indentation in the middle.
3:00 Surface pitting is a different form of wear, that is not the same as redrot. It may still be a very round spot, but it won't have that little nipple in the middle.
3:28 Once redrot starts, it's an irreversible process. Eventually you will need to have the leadpipe replaced, which is not always the easiest thing to do on a vintage horn from a company that might not even be in business anymore. So how can you prevent redrot?
3:42 1. Swab out your leadpipe after every time you play, with a product like the HW Brass Saver www.austincustombrass.biz/hw-...
4:14 2. After the leadpipe swab I use a product I absolutely love called BlowDry Brass. If you start with a clean horn, the BlowDry Brass system does a very good job of keeping the horn in a clean state (when used consistently per instructions): www.austincustombrass.biz/blo...
5:30 Both of these products are much cheaper than replacing a leadpipe!
If redrot does cause a hole in your leadpipe you'll either need to replace the leadpipe or have a patch applied by a repair shop. We test horns with a compression measuring machine here at the shop to make sure that any spots of redrot have not turned into a hole.
6:04 Next onto valve compression. We have a fancy Magnahelic gauge here at the shop to measure compression, but you can do an informal check yourself at home.
A couple words of caution:
6:45 1. You can't tell valve compression by looking at the pistons! The pistons could look absolutely fantastic and still have poor compression. Compression is based on how tight the pistons are in the casings.
7:01 2. The "pop test" is not an accurate way to check compression! A slide might have a loud pop in spite of poor compression.
7:10 Here's how to really check compression. Remove the valve slide and hold down the valve. Cover the end of the pipe fully with your finger. Blow into the leadpipe. Hear any air leaking? If you can, that's an indication of low compression. Another good test is to play loud low notes. A horn with bad compression will lack centering and slotting in loud low register playing.
8:28 A horn with low compressions will also have much wider slots and easier bending of notes. Some people prefer horns with lower compression for this reason! There's a lot of room to maneuver. Of course you can also get new horns with less defined slotting, like the Adams A9 or the Adams A4. I tend to like more defined slots, but it really comes down to personal preference.
"So my horn has low compression, but I don't want to spend hundreds of dollars on a valve rebuild. What can I do?"
9:30 Try is a thicker valve oil. The heavy oil we use at the shop and recommend often to our customers is the Berp Bio Oil #3: www.austincustombrass.biz/ber... If compression isn't quite as compromised, there are several other great options as well, like Hetman #3 (www.austincustombrass.biz/het...) and Ultra Pure "Black Label" Classic (www.austincustombrass.biz/cla....
9:52 You can also add a couple drops of spindle bearing oil to the pistons as well (don't overdo it) to help increase the seal. If you want to see if your horn as VERY poor compression, you can try a thin coating of 5W30 or 10W30 motor oil on the pistons. The valves won't move, and you'll need to clean the horn very well after this test, but you'll be able to play the centers of the notes. The tone of the horn may sound dramatically different.
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Happy Birthday Trent! Thanks for looking out for small businesses and students alike with awesome contents and gears, here’s to many more years of musical exploration!
This is an excellent video, definitely answered some questions and helps a lot when considering a vintage horn.
Thank you Trent!
Glad it was helpful!
Just got my BDB from you guys this weekend based on your suggestion on another forum, Trent! Looking forward to adding it to my regimen and more years from my horns.
Keep it up It's truly an incredible product if you use it everyday It took me a while to get in the habit of doing it every day but now it's second nature! And fun!
Thanks You
That is some valuable information.
I all learn something everytime
I see your videos.
Never stop teaching
Once again Thank you!
So nice of you!
I happen to own a Sshhmute. A piece of electrical tape to cover the hole makes a great compression tester. You can also fill a tub with water submerge the trumpet with the mute inserted and blow. The bubbles will tell you where the horn is leaking. You can also do this with a plugged Harmon.
Yep also good. Not magnahelic good but does show things!
A fantastic and informative video , Trent . When slides are worn , maybe to the point of dropping out , does this make for lower compression in the horn ?
loose and leaking slides are never good for a horn's efficiency.
Hey Trent! Question about valve compression. Have you found that taking out the second valve slide and plugging it with your finger, then blowing, to be an effective test for valve compression? That’s what I was originally taught, and I just noticed you didn’t mention that method in the video
It's a test but sometimes doesn't give the most accurate results. Leaks can come from a bunch of places. I guess without taking to a shop it works for a quick initial test but a magnehic machine works the best to check for compression loss IMHO.
@@austincustom thanks!
What's a good cleaner to run through your leadpipe with a snake to prevent red-rot? Soapy water? Alcohol? Vinegar?
Check out the blow-dry brass we mentioned. Amazing product
I read somewhere or heard of some professional players that like and use horns that are have leaky valves .What do you think ?
I prefer a tighter horn for playability but I have a super leaky besson that has the best sound!
@@austincustom super leaky and you play it cool !Also thank you for reminding me about cleaning lead pipe after playing I do leadpipe and 3rd valve slide.But sometimes after getting home late after a band rehearsal I am too tired and forget....GOT to remember..thank you, also I enjoy your videos you seem like a nice fellow and I find you very personable .
Spitballs are a one-time use?? Ha, ha.