Happy New Year Trent and ACB! Great video. I had a Martin student trumpet years ago...my teacher took it as a trade-in on the Benge 3 he sold me. I was floored that he gave me as much for the Martin as he did -- I didn't think it was worth much, I'd given it a lot of not-so-tender loving care, and I was not inspired to practice with it. My teacher said the Martin would make a great horn for one of his younger students. Years later I still have the Benge and am inspired to play it often. I hope someone is still playing that Martin student model.
The difference is very clear. I still play mine student trumpet. I play cuz I love too. I will buy an Adam's eventually but I'm in no hurry Thanks for the demo
Great video, and reconfirms my decision (prior to viewing this) to upgrade. I'm one of those long time average amateurs who's been playing a J.W. York & Sons Model 105 c. 1918 for the past 15 years just because it was in the family and didn't cost me anything. But it's all but played out. No compression. Kind of sounds dead. I wanted to move to something more contemporary, and wasn't liking the prices of even the intermediate horns by Yamaha and Bach on the used market. And then I discovered Carol Brass, and was looking hard at the 4000 and 5000 series until I found a gently used CTR-9990H for the same price as a new 5000 and snapped it up. Sure, it's way more horn than I need but what a value! Anyway, been playing it for a couple of weeks and I'm in love. My only engagements are with our local municipal band and I've dedicated myself to be ready to play any part when rehearsals come around in spring. It hasn't made me a better player (only practice will do that), but it certainly makes my sound a lot better.
There are many other variables but for me the difference is the ease of playing. The Student horn fights me more . Simply explained. the pro horn seems to know the center of the pitch /note I want to hit and locks in easier. The student horn takes more effort .I dont have to concentrate quite as hard if that makes sense . For me at my level intonation is top of my list . Missing a note here or there as a student is expected . Music should be pleasing to listen to even if its just practicing . Regards .
Excellent video!! I've been wondering about upgrading from my student horn to a pro line, but would love to hear your thoughts on vintage vs. new...like Adams vs. Olds and what you prefer. Thank you! :)
I do have a few vintage versus modern showdown vids... In terms of what I prefer if I love both, especially if the vintage horn has been restored with new valve compression. It's hard to beat my Olds Super Recording trumpets.
My student Blessing Trumpet seems to have a particularly sticky 2nd valve and soon starts sticking despite cleaning and oiling regularly! Is this sign of wear/needing to replace? Any tips welcome.
We've seen pretty much every sort of problem. A good tech can diagnose that quickly and I'm sure the techs are thankful for any work this time of year!
Yes the sound is distinctive between the two horns and I agree. I do have one question. I noticed the water key on your Adams is unique. I prefer the standard water key as to the Armando water keys that come with the more expensive horns. I can never get all the water out of my horns, especially the flugelhorn, when the horns come with the Armando water keys. Quite frankly, I hate them. Yours on the other hand are unique. What are they? And can you get them on other brands of horns? And can you adapt it to some of my horns? I would be interested in finding out. Please let me know. Thanks Trent, and by the way, HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!
How do you define and assess “compression” and it’s impact on playing? I’m an impressively talentless amateur player. I have a Bb Yamaha YTR5335G, and recently a C B&S Challenger II. The Yamaha seems to have greater compression because the 1st and 3rd tubes only move with gravity if you press the valves, then they drop super fast. They are so perfect I only add valve oil to the tubes, no grease. By contrast, the 1st tube of the B&S Challenger seems “loose” even with grease, and will move with gravity (if I hold the tumpet perpendicular) even without pressing the valve. Nevertheless, the Challenger makes a great sound and feels lighter in playing, while the Yamaha feels harder work to play the same music in respective keys. I think this is not only related to the difference between Bb and C trumpets as I tried the a C Yamaha and it feels closer to the Bb Yamaha. Not sure where I’m going with this, but in any event can express thanks for your many videos, and incredible playing. My favourite so far has been your What Child is This on the Green Hornet, followed by We Three Kings!
The main thing with really bad compression is an airiness to the sound but you usually only get that with horns that’s been played an incredibly long time like a vintage horn. To help compression usually a heavy valve oil can help but i don’t know
You always sound good regardless of horns 🎺🤓👏🏾 ... Generally speaking , are all students horns have similar qualities and shortcomings ?? I believe you do carry a Yahama ytr 2320 in your shop. I am not sure how you would compare it with Buescher . Thanks and I wish you a happy new year 2021!
Yeah usually on student horns they’re met to be more comfortable in average trumpet range and higher stuff is usually isn’t too comfortable like it may be on a pro horn. I could be wrong but on the student horns compared to my xeno the upper range is hard to find and isn’t as nice as my pro but as a student u shouldn’t need it
I am curious. On the instruments I play regularly, the better instruments vibrate in my hands. Not being a trumpet player but a band director who has to teach trumpet, I was wondering if you, the player, feel the instrument vibrate more in your hands on the better instruments or the lesser instruments and is that a factor you use in deciding which trumpet you like better than another trumpet. I do have to say that I have heard bigger differences in some of the higher end comparison videos you have done here than the student and pro instruments here. I am not sure how much of that is you, Mr. Austin, or the quality of the two horns. I suspect that your abilities are skewing what I am hearing here. especially with the student horn. I suspect I could run over a trumpet, give it you, and it would still sound great. I will say this, if you are recommending instruments for students, I am STRONGLY urging my students to look into those instruments. Thank you for this video. I gained a lot of insight and knowledge here. Thank you.
This is a great post (thank you for posting this) I will answer simply. The efficiency factor of my Adams is easily 10x better than the Buescher (Carol stencil), and 25x more than the Ambassador, and 100x over that Tromba.... yes I personally can work harder to make these other instruments sound as good as they can but you'd really hear a difference with a novice or developing player. It would be IMO much more pronounced as they do not yet have the ability to understand how to make a horn work regardless of the instrument's quality. I hope this reply makes sense! Happy New Year to you!
@@austincustom Thank you. Your response makes sense. I thank you for your videos. I hope 2021 is far better for you and your company than 2020 was. Thank you again.
It seems like every stencil, Chinese-made student model has awful intonation in the low register. Unplayable below the staff. First note in band for these kids will be a 25 cents flat low C. All my All-state students played a Getzen 300. That doesn't surprise me one bit
A lot of the Chinese student trumpets have poor valve fit and compression that explains the bad low register intonation to some degree. (there are other factors of course). We are still tweaking our student series which we should launch mid-21 and they will be much, much better than almost anything else you can buy for where we'll price them. Getting closer!
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Happy New Year Trent and ACB! Great video. I had a Martin student trumpet years ago...my teacher took it as a trade-in on the Benge 3 he sold me. I was floored that he gave me as much for the Martin as he did -- I didn't think it was worth much, I'd given it a lot of not-so-tender loving care, and I was not inspired to practice with it. My teacher said the Martin would make a great horn for one of his younger students. Years later I still have the Benge and am inspired to play it often. I hope someone is still playing that Martin student model.
The difference is very clear.
I still play mine student trumpet.
I play cuz I love too. I will buy an Adam's eventually but I'm in no hurry
Thanks for the demo
Happy new year 2021 to ACB Staff
Thank you so much! Here's to a safer (eventually) and most definitely HAPPIER 2021!
Great video, and reconfirms my decision (prior to viewing this) to upgrade. I'm one of those long time average amateurs who's been playing a J.W. York & Sons Model 105 c. 1918 for the past 15 years just because it was in the family and didn't cost me anything. But it's all but played out. No compression. Kind of sounds dead. I wanted to move to something more contemporary, and wasn't liking the prices of even the intermediate horns by Yamaha and Bach on the used market. And then I discovered Carol Brass, and was looking hard at the 4000 and 5000 series until I found a gently used CTR-9990H for the same price as a new 5000 and snapped it up. Sure, it's way more horn than I need but what a value! Anyway, been playing it for a couple of weeks and I'm in love. My only engagements are with our local municipal band and I've dedicated myself to be ready to play any part when rehearsals come around in spring. It hasn't made me a better player (only practice will do that), but it certainly makes my sound a lot better.
Oh, and I forgot to mention it's an absolutely GORGEOUS horn.
There are many other variables but for me the difference is the ease of playing. The Student horn fights me more . Simply explained. the pro horn seems to know the center of the pitch /note I want to hit and locks in easier. The student horn takes more effort .I dont have to concentrate quite as hard if that makes sense . For me at my level intonation is top of my list . Missing a note here or there as a student is expected . Music should be pleasing to listen to even if its just practicing . Regards .
Excellent video!! I've been wondering about upgrading from my student horn to a pro line, but would love to hear your thoughts on vintage vs. new...like Adams vs. Olds and what you prefer. Thank you! :)
I do have a few vintage versus modern showdown vids... In terms of what I prefer if I love both, especially if the vintage horn has been restored with new valve compression. It's hard to beat my Olds Super Recording trumpets.
@@austincustom Thank you sir! I will definitely check out those vids...stay well!
My student Blessing Trumpet seems to have a particularly sticky 2nd valve and soon starts sticking despite cleaning and oiling regularly! Is this sign of wear/needing to replace? Any tips welcome.
Without seeing it I cannot diagnose it. Take it to your local shop and have the professionals look at it.
@@austincustom no prob thanks for the reply. Just wondered if it was a common problem you’d seen! 👍🙏🏼
We've seen pretty much every sort of problem. A good tech can diagnose that quickly and I'm sure the techs are thankful for any work this time of year!
Yes the sound is distinctive between the two horns and I agree. I do have one question. I noticed the water key on your Adams is unique. I prefer the standard water key as to the Armando water keys that come with the more expensive horns. I can never get all the water out of my horns, especially the flugelhorn, when the horns come with the Armando water keys. Quite frankly, I hate them. Yours on the other hand are unique. What are they? And can you get them on other brands of horns? And can you adapt it to some of my horns? I would be interested in finding out. Please let me know. Thanks Trent, and by the way, HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!
You can get a Saturn waterkey with any Adams. Give Josh a call and he can help!
How do you define and assess “compression” and it’s impact on playing? I’m an impressively talentless amateur player. I have a Bb Yamaha YTR5335G, and recently a C B&S Challenger II. The Yamaha seems to have greater compression because the 1st and 3rd tubes only move with gravity if you press the valves, then they drop super fast. They are so perfect I only add valve oil to the tubes, no grease. By contrast, the 1st tube of the B&S Challenger seems “loose” even with grease, and will move with gravity (if I hold the tumpet perpendicular) even without pressing the valve. Nevertheless, the Challenger makes a great sound and feels lighter in playing, while the Yamaha feels harder work to play the same music in respective keys. I think this is not only related to the difference between Bb and C trumpets as I tried the a C Yamaha and it feels closer to the Bb Yamaha.
Not sure where I’m going with this, but in any event can express thanks for your many videos, and incredible playing. My favourite so far has been your What Child is This on the Green Hornet, followed by We Three Kings!
The main thing with really bad compression is an airiness to the sound but you usually only get that with horns that’s been played an incredibly long time like a vintage horn. To help compression usually a heavy valve oil can help but i don’t know
Thats a close representation of my trumpet after I dropped it town the stairs!
You always sound good regardless of horns 🎺🤓👏🏾 ... Generally speaking , are all students horns have similar qualities and shortcomings ?? I believe you do carry a Yahama ytr 2320 in your shop. I am not sure how you would compare it with Buescher . Thanks and I wish you a happy new year 2021!
Yeah usually on student horns they’re met to be more comfortable in average trumpet range and higher stuff is usually isn’t too comfortable like it may be on a pro horn. I could be wrong but on the student horns compared to my xeno the upper range is hard to find and isn’t as nice as my pro but as a student u shouldn’t need it
Tent could make a lead pipe sound good with his special mouthpiece
I am curious. On the instruments I play regularly, the better instruments vibrate in my hands. Not being a trumpet player but a band director who has to teach trumpet, I was wondering if you, the player, feel the instrument vibrate more in your hands on the better instruments or the lesser instruments and is that a factor you use in deciding which trumpet you like better than another trumpet. I do have to say that I have heard bigger differences in some of the higher end comparison videos you have done here than the student and pro instruments here. I am not sure how much of that is you, Mr. Austin, or the quality of the two horns. I suspect that your abilities are skewing what I am hearing here. especially with the student horn. I suspect I could run over a trumpet, give it you, and it would still sound great. I will say this, if you are recommending instruments for students, I am STRONGLY urging my students to look into those instruments. Thank you for this video. I gained a lot of insight and knowledge here. Thank you.
This is a great post (thank you for posting this) I will answer simply. The efficiency factor of my Adams is easily 10x better than the Buescher (Carol stencil), and 25x more than the Ambassador, and 100x over that Tromba.... yes I personally can work harder to make these other instruments sound as good as they can but you'd really hear a difference with a novice or developing player. It would be IMO much more pronounced as they do not yet have the ability to understand how to make a horn work regardless of the instrument's quality. I hope this reply makes sense! Happy New Year to you!
@@austincustom Thank you. Your response makes sense. I thank you for your videos. I hope 2021 is far better for you and your company than 2020 was. Thank you again.
It seems like every stencil, Chinese-made student model has awful intonation in the low register. Unplayable below the staff. First note in band for these kids will be a 25 cents flat low C.
All my All-state students played a Getzen 300. That doesn't surprise me one bit
A lot of the Chinese student trumpets have poor valve fit and compression that explains the bad low register intonation to some degree. (there are other factors of course).
We are still tweaking our student series which we should launch mid-21 and they will be much, much better than almost anything else you can buy for where we'll price them. Getting closer!