Johanna just lived out her life in District 7, forever feeling betrayed by Katniss and petrified by water. The movies really didn’t do her tragic character justice.
Yeah Johanna went back to district 7 with no one left for her(sure Katniss was haunted by her sister’s death but she still had people who cared about her back in 12) and most of the victors (and some people) went back fine and people there with them but Johanna was all alone, while it is unknown she ever even said goodbye to any of her friends we just know she didn’t say bye to Katniss and notice how in Annie’s letter not one word about Johanna
I never referred to my mom by her first name. So, if the books are written from Katniss's POV, it makes sense to me that she would never refer to her mother by her first name.
@@nmoney6655 yes! You'd think with Gale basically being part of the family would know and possibly use her first name. Then you have Haymitch and Effie and President Snow and President Coin...at some point during this story SOMEONE said her mom's name yet we never get to know? I've never even thought about this before but now I'm convinced it basically edited out of Katniss's reality, what other reason could there be? Katniss wasn't the only one interacting with her mom so it makes no sense it would be because she doesn't call her own mom by her first name...
Despite the tragedies and mysterious surrounding the conclusion to the hunger games trilogy, I've always liked the ending. I've always felt that it was only book ending that truly did justice to the series and made sense.
Katniss Everdeen gives zero fricks about names. She's like: That guy! And: The girl has a fox face, so that shall be your name. The male tribute from district five blah blah...
I would argue that she developed quite a bit. In the first book she was a shallow capitol citizen thinking only about herself. She was moping and expecting her newfound fame to get her upgraded to a "better district". As time goes on, especially when the quarter quell hit, she begins to realize the monstrosity of it all. And develops an understanding of why a rebellion is needed. Granted... she is still Effie. But she did start to grasp the entire concept that the book was written for.
About Cinna: he was mentioned to be absent alongside Portia, Peeta's stylist. I always assumed that they were working on the wedding gown / mockingjay dress. Katniss mentions how different (heavier) it feels compared to the first time she put it on. It's a feat of engineering that would have taken a while to complete, and they were pressed for time already.
Gale's mother Hazelle was the only district 12 adult character given a first name in the books. Did you ever notice (books and movie versions) that some of the tributes in the 74th and 75th games are not given last names. With the exception of Finnick, Annie and Johanna. Although Beetee is givent he last name Latier in the movies. Also no last name for Cinna and Portia. A little off topic, my personal theory is the man who started the riot in district 11 was Rue's father. In the movie version.
I always though that too, that the guy man was Rue's father. In Catching Fire, the woman stood with Rue's brothers and sisters is credited as her aunt. So that must mean both Rue's mother and father were killed by the Capitol.
I thought it was obvious that Peeta went back to normal. Would Katniss really marry & have kids with someone who was always trying to attack her? He definitely became himself again.
I agree, despite how much she loves him..Katniss would not put herself in constant danger like that, unless Peeta was somewhat mentally ok again and I think it was quite obvious he was. I also believe that the only person who can help calm the trauma and nerves they go through is each other, if that makes sense so I totally agree with you! ☺️
I got it as he would never be the same again. The trauma and pain of what he went through has forever changed him but he's no longer hell bent on killing Katniss. This is the same for mist characters but I imagined that sometimes it would be worse for him than other days.
Just found this channel earlier today and this is at least my 4th or 5th video now because she's got a lot of great things to say and there aren't too many truly great videos about this series out there so I'm very much appreciating her work. Her theory of why we never find out Katniss's mom's name (something I've never myself even realized) has me rethinking my whole life. Because she was so resentful of her mother she subconsciously dehumanized her in a way...holy cow, that's deep!
Foxface always intrigued me. I feel something else happened to her. In the books we come to know Foxface as a smart tribute as we see how she figures out the trick of the landmines in the first book. Also in the film we say her in training learning about poisonous plants and foods. This got me thinking. Maybe Peeta didn't kill Foxface, maybe she took the easy way out. I think she committed suicide as at this point it was just her Cato, Clove, Thresh and the district 12 tributes left. she knew that if she wanted to survive she would have to fight one of them. I feel as if Foxface knew that if it came down her and Cato / Clove she wouldn't die a quick death she would die a long, painful one , yet if she ate the nightlock she knew it would be quick. This is just my opinion :)
i love the theory of foxface taking the easy and peaceful way out, but sadly this isn’t possible 😢😢 nightlock only grew on the outskirts of 12 & 13 and it wasn’t in the training system 😭
I will always wonder what the original 75th anniversary twist would have been. Also, Katniss mentions she sees all the yellow envelopes that were prepared for centuries of games, I would love to know what is written inside each and every one of them.
This morning I was thinking about the game Mirror's Edge, and how they created a world that you wouldn't want to live in, but yet they made visiting that world a beautiful experience. I think it's something similar with Hunger Games. You wouldn't want for a second to live in Panem, and in those conditions, but somehow they made a beautiful journey through it. Sad, and painful, but beautiful. I just wanted the characters to be finally free and happy
I always wondered if Peeta actually stabbed the girl from the first book who lit the fire near Katniss. Sometimes I think maybe he just held her hand while she died, but I don’t actually know
I like to believe that he just let her pass. I could definitely see him just letting her die a peaceful death similar to the Morphling death in CF 🤷♀️☺️
Hey small comment about who killed Thresh: If Peeta said in Mockingjay that Cato killed Thresh, then he did. I say this because in the books Katniss talks about the video after the games showing all the kills. Therefore they would definitely show the death of Thresh as he was one of the main contenders of the games.
I've been wondering if the game-makers did, or at least, targeted Tresh to weaken him. From the Feast to leading up to his death, the heavy rain keeps going, but the day after Tresh's death, the rain stops. And Tresh was pressumed to be primarily in the field with not much shelter from the rain. Must've been a struggle to keep going, even with his sponsors sending whatever food and supplies they manage, but since it was toward the end of the game, the prices to send anything was outrageous.
I am always wondering how exactly Panem even came to exist. I mean, even before the dark days, there we're the districts. And it is said that the land once called north America collapsed due to war and destruction of the earth (if i remember correctly), but still i would love to know more about that...
I think the name of foxface is finch. If you google it it will come up as finch, I think, and from the many fan fictions I’ve read, finch was the given name to fox face. I also think that Johanna never really wanted to go along with the rebel plan fully. With the rebel plan, a lot of tributes died for katniss amd peeta and there was also the risk of being captured by the captial which happened to Johanna and peeta. However, because peeta got more attention to recover from katniss, he recovered a lot more after katniss returned to district 12. Johanna on the other hand felt betrayal for no one really payed attention to her and because in the movies amd the books she not as important than catching fire, were not really sure if katniss spent that much time with her and whether they said goodbye. ALso in Annie’s letter that she later writes, she talks about her son, and even gale who katniss says goodbye too. Annie knew how much Johanna played apart in the quarter quell but never mentioned her.
lol i say fl-ya-vius because i listen to it on audible lol but also i say ven-ya not venia tho ig there really isnt a right or wrong way anyone can say it how they like, that’s the beauty of books ;)
@@brynburnham2342 I agree 100%. Also where someone comes from changes the way we pronounce and there is nothing wrong about it 🙂. I am slavic from Poland so we pronounce Flahvious not Flayvious but I have no problem with that whatsover😉
I don't think Katniss and Johanna kept in touch after Katniss killed coin because I think that their friendship ended after Katniss broke her promise, her promise to kill snow on her own. But instead she kills coin so I think Johanna would feel betrayed and Katniss gets locked up and then back to district 12 without talking to Johanna again so I don't know
I was just thinking about this. But you have to remember, Johanna made Katniss swear on her family's lives. When Prim was killed in the Capitol bombing, Katniss was relieved from that promise, allowing her the freedom to choose between killing Snow or Coin.
Enjoyed this video - I highly recommend The End of the World Series by FernWithy on AO3. It's written from Haymitch's perspective all the way from his Quell to the epilogue of Mockingjay and the writer manages to build on Suzanne Collins's world beautifully, develops side characters brilliantly and some of the questions the original trilogy left unanswered was cleverly answered through this series. I personally treat this fan fiction series as canon. Would highly recommend if you're still hungry for more Hunger Games lore!
Thank you! I personally don’t engage in fan fiction and prefer to only deal with canon works from the main source/author. Though I have nothing against fan fiction 😊
I'm inclined to think that Foxface eating poisonous berries was an accident, or at least a calculated risk. Katniss only knew they were poisonous because her father warned her about them (Nightlock was not featured during the training), and they looked remarkably similar to another variety that was edible, so desperate hunger may have led Foxface to assess them less carefully than she would have otherwise. On the other hand, even if she was suspicious, lack of recognition didn't automatically mean that they were poisonous, Peeta clearly thought they were safe, and she would die if she didn't eat, so eating the Nightlock berries would at worst accelerate her death, and at best save her life.
Since it from katniss pov I don't I think that the mom's name thing is really that weird I think I can count on one hand in my life that I've ever said my mom's real name and can't remember the last time I referred to or said her real name when talking about her
I’m sure that if Foxface knew and ate the berries anyway, someone who was watching the games would’ve told Katniss and Peeta. SNOW would’ve told her. “She knew and still ate them. She followed you and Mr. Mellark ever since she heard your touching song for that District 11 tribute. Makes me wonder if there was more to her taking matters into her own hands.”
if peeta was gathering them they must be ok.......which means that Peeta kind of lucks out by seeing what foxface does and learning from her action. that was my impression upon reading the books for the first time. That's my preferred explanation but, idk since, as usual, the books leave the reader on their own
First of all, thanks very much for your videos. Some of my thoughts now. 1. Re Foxface eating Nightlock berries: I do believe it was an honest mistake. Smart as she was, but, originating from District 5 with its main industry being power, and therefore it's largely an urban district, knowledge about plants isn't her natural forte. Besides, she only ate the berries Peeta had gathered, so she didn't question them and very possibly assumed he and Katniss ate them before. And thirdly - we shouldn't underestimate the power of hunger. It's mentioned in the book, when the hovercraft picked up Fozface's dead body, it was "emaciated". She must have been extremely famished when she was stealing food from Peeta and Katniss, and therefore dropped her guard regarding the berries, especially since, I repeat, they were the berries that Peeta had gathered. 2. Re Thresh's death: It's not just in the Mockingjay that Peeta says Cato killed Thresh, it's in the first Hunger Games book too, actually during the first games. I mean, you're saying you'd re-read the books so many times - if so, how come you missed that? Probably would be a good idea to re-read again. In fact, in the first Hunger Games book, it's described how Peeta had seen Thresh's portrait in the sky and immediately assumed Cato killed him, because - well, what was the alternative? It wasn't Peeta or Katniss who killed him, and definitely not Foxface. That leaves only Thresh dying in some other way (and very conveniently for everyone else, so they don't have to overcome such a powerful opponent any more). Well, it's not very believable that Thresh would die from some animal or eating something poisonous like Foxface, since he was very knowledgeable of poisonous plants, and where he was mostly hiding (in a field), there is no much possibility of any dangerous animals. Besides, we shouldn't forget the factor of Cato's backpack that Thresh had originally snatched from the Cornucopia. He did it deliberately to call Cato out for a fight. And since in the scene with the mutts Cato is wearing the armour that was obviously sent to him in a backpack, it means he finally acquired it, which means he had overcome Thresh. I mean, the idea of Thresh just dropping dead from something else, and Cato just finding the backpack on his dead body BEFORE it got picked up by a hovercraft, is just too far fetched. 3. Re the shootings in District 11: it could have been absolutely anyone. Maybe someone was trying to protest the old man's shooting. Maybe his family members, friends or neighbours. Or maybe the Peacekeepers were just shooting at people at random - for intimidation. We'll never know. It doesn't matter either way. It's not the point. The point of that scene is to show the ruthlessness of Peacekeepers in District 11. 4. Re Cray: he was most likely executed. The necessity of bringing a new Head Peacekeeper to the district where Peacekeepers were quite lenient, was to intimidate the district. However, the official reason must have been that Cray was doing a poor job with District 12. Therefore, he must have been severely punished.
My biggest question of the series is who we’re the other victors, I mean think about it in the end anonaria was the lone career survivor at the end but didn’t the career districts win every year? We’re they all dead already, did they get killed by the capital? District 7 had other male winners didn’t they? What happened to them there’s a 75 years of games and only those lone survivors are the last to be talked about. This is my biggest question of the series
I just finished re-reading In Mocking Jay, the question is asked by Katniss. The others were killed by the Capital in fear of them helping rebels or by the rebels in fear of them helping the Capital.
Obviously to gain Coin’s trust so Coin wouldn’t suspect Katniss would kill her (hardening back to the conversation Katniss had with Boggs). It was a ruse on Katniss’ part, and Haymitch caught on.
Possibly but I just do not believe Katniss would make that call it goes completely against who she is and her core. I don't mind her shooting Coin but that vote throws me right off everytime
@@kittykatzcount1092 Reread what I said, she didn't actually vote in favor of it. She is not in favor of it, she only said yes to make sure Coin wouldn't be suspicious of her. So in hindsight, she didn't vote for it.
Cato killed Thresh. Hand to hand combat that was why he was so bloodied and raving when he went up against Katniss and Peeta. He was a career but having killed someone so up close and fighting for his life made him realize how dumb and pointless the games were. That's what I understood anyways. It was never an unanswered question. Also Foxface ate the berries by accident. She did not want to die. I never got that from her character. She was trying to win and did not care about nothing else. Hellooo that's what the games do to you.
What was Katniss's mothers maiden name? one question i have. One more, people with PTSD have been known to have episodes, what makes you think that Peeta while having ptsd episode won't try to kill Katniss again?
We don’t learn her maiden name And Peeta’s issue with Katniss wasn’t ptsd, that’s tracker hacker serum. Massive difference. His ptsd episodes have to do with the games
does she look plasticky/greasy to anyone else? I don't mean she actually looks that way I mean it looks like there's a weird filter and I'm tryna figure out if it's just my monitor or what lol
I don't think Katniss and Johanna kept in touch after Katniss killed coin because I think that their friendship ended after Katniss broke her promise, her promise to kill snow on her own. But instead she kills coin so I think Johanna would feel betrayed and Katniss gets locked up and then back to district 12 without talking to Johanna again so I don't know
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Johanna just lived out her life in District 7, forever feeling betrayed by Katniss and petrified by water. The movies really didn’t do her tragic character justice.
Yeah Johanna went back to district 7 with no one left for her(sure Katniss was haunted by her sister’s death but she still had people who cared about her back in 12) and most of the victors (and some people) went back fine and people there with them but Johanna was all alone, while it is unknown she ever even said goodbye to any of her friends we just know she didn’t say bye to Katniss and notice how in Annie’s letter not one word about Johanna
@@lisanw102696 yeah she had her mother and Gale but at what cost she lost her sister and it sucks
I never referred to my mom by her first name. So, if the books are written from Katniss's POV, it makes sense to me that she would never refer to her mother by her first name.
Yeah she wouldn’t but someone she knew could’ve either Peeta or Haymitch or something
@@nmoney6655 yes! You'd think with Gale basically being part of the family would know and possibly use her first name. Then you have Haymitch and Effie and President Snow and President Coin...at some point during this story SOMEONE said her mom's name yet we never get to know? I've never even thought about this before but now I'm convinced it basically edited out of Katniss's reality, what other reason could there be? Katniss wasn't the only one interacting with her mom so it makes no sense it would be because she doesn't call her own mom by her first name...
Despite the tragedies and mysterious surrounding the conclusion to the hunger games trilogy, I've always liked the ending. I've always felt that it was only book ending that truly did justice to the series and made sense.
I agree fully, there’s never a true winner in wars
But why Prim had to die though?
@@nmoney6655 to give a logical reason for Katniss to kill coin and stop another era of tyranny
Katniss Everdeen gives zero fricks about names. She's like: That guy! And: The girl has a fox face, so that shall be your name. The male tribute from district five blah blah...
That’s a coping mechanism, if she doesn’t know their names then it’s less tragic in her mind I think when they lose their life
"avox girl with red hair"
😂😂
@@elorahancock6326 yeah but what about Rue and Finnick and Prim
I wish Effie had more character development in the story as a whole. The way she was in the movie just wasnt all that believable.
I agree, instead of a prequel of president snow I would have rather seen one of Effie.
JC Apple yeah nah. That would be super boring
I would argue that she developed quite a bit. In the first book she was a shallow capitol citizen thinking only about herself. She was moping and expecting her newfound fame to get her upgraded to a "better district". As time goes on, especially when the quarter quell hit, she begins to realize the monstrosity of it all. And develops an understanding of why a rebellion is needed. Granted... she is still Effie. But she did start to grasp the entire concept that the book was written for.
About Cinna: he was mentioned to be absent alongside Portia, Peeta's stylist. I always assumed that they were working on the wedding gown / mockingjay dress.
Katniss mentions how different (heavier) it feels compared to the first time she put it on. It's a feat of engineering that would have taken a while to complete, and they were pressed for time already.
Gale's mother Hazelle was the only district 12 adult character given a first name in the books.
Did you ever notice (books and movie versions) that some of the tributes in the 74th and 75th games are not given last names. With the exception of Finnick, Annie and Johanna. Although Beetee is givent he last name Latier in the movies. Also no last name for Cinna and Portia.
A little off topic, my personal theory is the man who started the riot in district 11 was Rue's father. In the movie version.
I always though that too, that the guy man was Rue's father. In Catching Fire, the woman stood with Rue's brothers and sisters is credited as her aunt. So that must mean both Rue's mother and father were killed by the Capitol.
what about haymitch?
Woah woah woah....... don’t glitch the matrix
Michelle Hu I think he means the only support adult character. Not like Haymitch/Finnick
Tracy Wood interesting theory I would have said grandfather
I thought it was obvious that Peeta went back to normal. Would Katniss really marry & have kids with someone who was always trying to attack her? He definitely became himself again.
I agree, despite how much she loves him..Katniss would not put herself in constant danger like that, unless Peeta was somewhat mentally ok again and I think it was quite obvious he was. I also believe that the only person who can help calm the trauma and nerves they go through is each other, if that makes sense so I totally agree with you! ☺️
I got it as he would never be the same again. The trauma and pain of what he went through has forever changed him but he's no longer hell bent on killing Katniss. This is the same for mist characters but I imagined that sometimes it would be worse for him than other days.
Just found this channel earlier today and this is at least my 4th or 5th video now because she's got a lot of great things to say and there aren't too many truly great videos about this series out there so I'm very much appreciating her work. Her theory of why we never find out Katniss's mom's name (something I've never myself even realized) has me rethinking my whole life. Because she was so resentful of her mother she subconsciously dehumanized her in a way...holy cow, that's deep!
Foxface always intrigued me. I feel something else happened to her. In the books we come to know Foxface as a smart tribute as we see how she figures out the trick of the landmines in the first book. Also in the film we say her in training learning about poisonous plants and foods. This got me thinking. Maybe Peeta didn't kill Foxface, maybe she took the easy way out. I think she committed suicide as at this point it was just her Cato, Clove, Thresh and the district 12 tributes left. she knew that if she wanted to survive she would have to fight one of them. I feel as if Foxface knew that if it came down her and Cato / Clove she wouldn't die a quick death she would die a long, painful one , yet if she ate the nightlock she knew it would be quick.
This is just my opinion :)
i love the theory of foxface taking the easy and peaceful way out, but sadly this isn’t possible 😢😢 nightlock only grew on the outskirts of 12 & 13 and it wasn’t in the training system 😭
I will always wonder what the original 75th anniversary twist would have been. Also, Katniss mentions she sees all the yellow envelopes that were prepared for centuries of games, I would love to know what is written inside each and every one of them.
This morning I was thinking about the game Mirror's Edge, and how they created a world that you wouldn't want to live in, but yet they made visiting that world a beautiful experience. I think it's something similar with Hunger Games. You wouldn't want for a second to live in Panem, and in those conditions, but somehow they made a beautiful journey through it. Sad, and painful, but beautiful. I just wanted the characters to be finally free and happy
Jona G I love the world of mirrors edge it’s so cool and interesting and the lives of the runners are so interesting to me
@@Shannon12 It Is a great experience, so freeing
I always wondered if Peeta actually stabbed the girl from the first book who lit the fire near Katniss. Sometimes I think maybe he just held her hand while she died, but I don’t actually know
Yeah, i also wondered how Peeta was able to kill someone so coldhearted, since he ist actually so warm and soft
I like to believe that he just let her pass. I could definitely see him just letting her die a peaceful death similar to the Morphling death in CF 🤷♀️☺️
Hey small comment about who killed Thresh: If Peeta said in Mockingjay that Cato killed Thresh, then he did. I say this because in the books Katniss talks about the video after the games showing all the kills. Therefore they would definitely show the death of Thresh as he was one of the main contenders of the games.
I've been wondering if the game-makers did, or at least, targeted Tresh to weaken him. From the Feast to leading up to his death, the heavy rain keeps going, but the day after Tresh's death, the rain stops. And Tresh was pressumed to be primarily in the field with not much shelter from the rain. Must've been a struggle to keep going, even with his sponsors sending whatever food and supplies they manage, but since it was toward the end of the game, the prices to send anything was outrageous.
Cato also had the armor during the final battle and thresh took both packs from the feast so I assumed Cato killed him and took that packs
In the third book Katniss says that cato killed thresh in her speech in District 2.
Old Peeta is back. Old Peeta is back. Old. Peeta. Is. Back.
OLD PEETA IS BACK!!! 😄😄😄
I am always wondering how exactly Panem even came to exist. I mean, even before the dark days, there we're the districts. And it is said that the land once called north America collapsed due to war and destruction of the earth (if i remember correctly), but still i would love to know more about that...
The foxface question is one I've always had as well as Brutus's death
Finnick and Prim was the breaking point for me
I think the name of foxface is finch. If you google it it will come up as finch, I think, and from the many fan fictions I’ve read, finch was the given name to fox face. I also think that Johanna never really wanted to go along with the rebel plan fully. With the rebel plan, a lot of tributes died for katniss amd peeta and there was also the risk of being captured by the captial which happened to Johanna and peeta. However, because peeta got more attention to recover from katniss, he recovered a lot more after katniss returned to district 12. Johanna on the other hand felt betrayal for no one really payed attention to her and because in the movies amd the books she not as important than catching fire, were not really sure if katniss spent that much time with her and whether they said goodbye. ALso in Annie’s letter that she later writes, she talks about her son, and even gale who katniss says goodbye too. Annie knew how much Johanna played apart in the quarter quell but never mentioned her.
8th read!???? I didn’t think anyone else could be more obsessed than I am
Lol I've read it 34 times
Yeah I’ve listened to it dozens of times because I do the audiobook so I just listen to it all the time
Maybe Brutus was too distracted by killing Chaff Peeta came up and backstabbed him. (Coming from Christian Blanco’s Tales of the Hunger Games.)
This is completely off topic but your hair is absolutely gorgeous. The curls are perfect and the color is amazing! The absolute Perfect blonde.
I always pronounced Flavius’ name as “Fl-(ah)-vius” not “Fl-(ay)-vius”
lol i say fl-ya-vius because i listen to it on audible lol but also i say ven-ya not venia tho ig there really isnt a right or wrong way anyone can say it how they like, that’s the beauty of books ;)
I always knew because the Capitol names are all based off Roman names
Same
Me too
@@brynburnham2342 I agree 100%. Also where someone comes from changes the way we pronounce and there is nothing wrong about it 🙂. I am slavic from Poland so we pronounce Flahvious not Flayvious but I have no problem with that whatsover😉
I don't think Katniss and Johanna kept in touch after Katniss killed coin because I think that their friendship ended after Katniss broke her promise, her promise to kill snow on her own. But instead she kills coin so I think Johanna would feel betrayed and Katniss gets locked up and then back to district 12 without talking to Johanna again so I don't know
I was just thinking about this. But you have to remember, Johanna made Katniss swear on her family's lives. When Prim was killed in the Capitol bombing, Katniss was relieved from that promise, allowing her the freedom to choose between killing Snow or Coin.
Clove was dead before fox face ate the berries
The ending makes me so sad. The family book part especially, how they collected memories and... I'm gonna cry, am I not?
Enjoyed this video - I highly recommend The End of the World Series by FernWithy on AO3. It's written from Haymitch's perspective all the way from his Quell to the epilogue of Mockingjay and the writer manages to build on Suzanne Collins's world beautifully, develops side characters brilliantly and some of the questions the original trilogy left unanswered was cleverly answered through this series. I personally treat this fan fiction series as canon. Would highly recommend if you're still hungry for more Hunger Games lore!
Thank you! I personally don’t engage in fan fiction and prefer to only deal with canon works from the main source/author. Though I have nothing against fan fiction 😊
I'm inclined to think that Foxface eating poisonous berries was an accident, or at least a calculated risk. Katniss only knew they were poisonous because her father warned her about them (Nightlock was not featured during the training), and they looked remarkably similar to another variety that was edible, so desperate hunger may have led Foxface to assess them less carefully than she would have otherwise. On the other hand, even if she was suspicious, lack of recognition didn't automatically mean that they were poisonous, Peeta clearly thought they were safe, and she would die if she didn't eat, so eating the Nightlock berries would at worst accelerate her death, and at best save her life.
Since it from katniss pov I don't I think that the mom's name thing is really that weird I think I can count on one hand in my life that I've ever said my mom's real name and can't remember the last time I referred to or said her real name when talking about her
I’m sure that if Foxface knew and ate the berries anyway, someone who was watching the games would’ve told Katniss and Peeta. SNOW would’ve told her. “She knew and still ate them. She followed you and Mr. Mellark ever since she heard your touching song for that District 11 tribute. Makes me wonder if there was more to her taking matters into her own hands.”
damn and i thought i knew alot about the hunger games LOL
I dont think either of her parents were named. I want to know the name Fox Face too.
I absolutely love this video, great job!
if peeta was gathering them they must be ok.......which means that Peeta kind of lucks out by seeing what foxface does and learning from her action. that was my impression upon reading the books for the first time. That's my preferred explanation but, idk since, as usual, the books leave the reader on their own
Love the video💓 But does anyone know when was peeta's birthday? lol😅
lol never really thought about that but i feel like it would be like in september for some reason lol hmm 🤔
@@brynburnham2342 lol how do you feel it? 😅 if so katniss is older than him if that's true..
Jungkook Jeon lol idk just gives me that vibe
First of all, thanks very much for your videos.
Some of my thoughts now.
1. Re Foxface eating Nightlock berries: I do believe it was an honest mistake. Smart as she was, but, originating from District 5 with its main industry being power, and therefore it's largely an urban district, knowledge about plants isn't her natural forte. Besides, she only ate the berries Peeta had gathered, so she didn't question them and very possibly assumed he and Katniss ate them before. And thirdly - we shouldn't underestimate the power of hunger. It's mentioned in the book, when the hovercraft picked up Fozface's dead body, it was "emaciated". She must have been extremely famished when she was stealing food from Peeta and Katniss, and therefore dropped her guard regarding the berries, especially since, I repeat, they were the berries that Peeta had gathered.
2. Re Thresh's death: It's not just in the Mockingjay that Peeta says Cato killed Thresh, it's in the first Hunger Games book too, actually during the first games. I mean, you're saying you'd re-read the books so many times - if so, how come you missed that? Probably would be a good idea to re-read again. In fact, in the first Hunger Games book, it's described how Peeta had seen Thresh's portrait in the sky and immediately assumed Cato killed him, because - well, what was the alternative? It wasn't Peeta or Katniss who killed him, and definitely not Foxface. That leaves only Thresh dying in some other way (and very conveniently for everyone else, so they don't have to overcome such a powerful opponent any more). Well, it's not very believable that Thresh would die from some animal or eating something poisonous like Foxface, since he was very knowledgeable of poisonous plants, and where he was mostly hiding (in a field), there is no much possibility of any dangerous animals. Besides, we shouldn't forget the factor of Cato's backpack that Thresh had originally snatched from the Cornucopia. He did it deliberately to call Cato out for a fight. And since in the scene with the mutts Cato is wearing the armour that was obviously sent to him in a backpack, it means he finally acquired it, which means he had overcome Thresh. I mean, the idea of Thresh just dropping dead from something else, and Cato just finding the backpack on his dead body BEFORE it got picked up by a hovercraft, is just too far fetched.
3. Re the shootings in District 11: it could have been absolutely anyone. Maybe someone was trying to protest the old man's shooting. Maybe his family members, friends or neighbours. Or maybe the Peacekeepers were just shooting at people at random - for intimidation. We'll never know. It doesn't matter either way. It's not the point. The point of that scene is to show the ruthlessness of Peacekeepers in District 11.
4. Re Cray: he was most likely executed. The necessity of bringing a new Head Peacekeeper to the district where Peacekeepers were quite lenient, was to intimidate the district. However, the official reason must have been that Cray was doing a poor job with District 12. Therefore, he must have been severely punished.
I think the extra shots were just purposely missed, like to scare the district citizens
I think the fox face dead was a combination of hunger and trust in peeta's mistake
I think foxface ate them because they were gathering them and thought they were safe
My biggest question of the series is who we’re the other victors, I mean think about it in the end anonaria was the lone career survivor at the end but didn’t the career districts win every year? We’re they all dead already, did they get killed by the capital? District 7 had other male winners didn’t they? What happened to them there’s a 75 years of games and only those lone survivors are the last to be talked about. This is my biggest question of the series
I just finished re-reading
In Mocking Jay, the question is asked by Katniss.
The others were killed by the Capital in fear of them helping rebels or by the rebels in fear of them helping the Capital.
I've enjoyed a few of your videos. It made me look into other Susanne Collins books. Have you read any of The Overlander Series? Thanks
I bet you Effie cried at the announcement
What is Foxface's name
and what did the other tributes get at the cornucopia in their bags
Right after the question did fox face eat the berries I got a notification saying yea
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I wanna know what are Katniss and Peeta's children's names.
in the book
I think Finnick and Prim would be the most likely contenders for their names
@@mairodriguez5391 it’s actually not in the book
I have a theory about Katniss’s mom real name I think her real name is Rue
Do you think there is going to be another book
Johanna was there in district 4 with Annie
Peeta was an excellent wrestler that would come in handy in a 1 on 1 fight that is probably how he beat Brutus
In the books it’s mentioned that Darius became an avox
Now I want an Effie novel.
You have a really interesting and mature thinking. I just subscribed to your channel
Why did Katniss vote to go with the capitol reviving the games? It has never sat well with me.
Obviously to gain Coin’s trust so Coin wouldn’t suspect Katniss would kill her (hardening back to the conversation Katniss had with Boggs). It was a ruse on Katniss’ part, and Haymitch caught on.
Possibly but I just do not believe Katniss would make that call it goes completely against who she is and her core. I don't mind her shooting Coin but that vote throws me right off everytime
@@kittykatzcount1092 Reread what I said, she didn't actually vote in favor of it. She is not in favor of it, she only said yes to make sure Coin wouldn't be suspicious of her. So in hindsight, she didn't vote for it.
She needed for Coin to trust her enough to arm her. The “for Prim” tipped off Haymitch as to her plan.
Omg I love your hunger games kneckless ❤️❤️
We don’t find out Katniss’ father’s name either, I believe.
Didn't one of the books say that Darius became an avox?
Cato killed Thresh. Hand to hand combat that was why he was so bloodied and raving when he went up against Katniss and
Peeta. He was a career but having killed someone so up close and fighting for his life made him realize how dumb and pointless the games were. That's what I understood anyways. It was never an unanswered question. Also Foxface ate the berries by accident. She did not want to die. I never got that from her character. She was trying to win and did not care about nothing else. Hellooo that's what the games do to you.
what about beetee?
What was Katniss's mothers maiden name? one question i have. One more, people with PTSD have been known to have episodes, what makes you think that Peeta while having ptsd episode won't try to kill Katniss again?
We don’t learn her maiden name
And Peeta’s issue with Katniss wasn’t ptsd, that’s tracker hacker serum. Massive difference. His ptsd episodes have to do with the games
legit freaked me out with the opening, thought I was hacked
Please do the Twilight series next
I like fox face killed her self because she was scared
Just do the Twilight saga next time I will be happy 😃 if you give it a chance
I think I’ve sufficiently explained why I won’t nor does the series deserve any coverage whatsoever. 😂
Omg I’m sorry but the way she says panem is triggering me
Joanna and Enibaria died in the exact same games
uhm, they're alive at the end of the trilogy. So I have no idea what you're talking about.
If you are referring to the, "Tales of the Hunger Games" series, that isn't Canon.
@@madethistocomment727 that is true
@@TheGeekApprentice aw I’m depressed they killed Johanna and Enobaria
Also I’m depressed they killed Prim and Finnick
Where are you from? You pronounce words a little odd from my perspective...
does she look plasticky/greasy to anyone else? I don't mean she actually looks that way I mean it looks like there's a weird filter and I'm tryna figure out if it's just my monitor or what lol
what i mean is like it looks like all the highlights look strange
Oh and don’t be shirting on J.K. Rowling. She’s a treasure
I don't think Katniss and Johanna kept in touch after Katniss killed coin because I think that their friendship ended after Katniss broke her promise, her promise to kill snow on her own. But instead she kills coin so I think Johanna would feel betrayed and Katniss gets locked up and then back to district 12 without talking to Johanna again so I don't know