The successor to the McLaren F1 will be a road-legal fan car

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  • Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
  • Gordon Murray is making a successor to the McLaren F1 and it looks to pack some serious punch. A 650bhp naturally-aspirated V12, a manual gearbox and a £2.5 million price tag.
    But wait, there’s more - the T.50 supercar is set to be a fan car, the first ever to take to the road. That’s the same technology that created a ridiculous amount of downforce in Murray’s Brabham fan car of the ‘70s, so it’s crazy to think that a road car will be using the same engineering in the near future.
    Nevermind a big rear wing, a fan could potentially create a hell of a lot of downforce. Mike explains how a fan car works and what we can expect from the T.50 supercar.
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  • @user-fo1nk3pd1t
    @user-fo1nk3pd1t 5 лет назад +769

    Did he say manual transmission on a NA v12?!

    • @qasimmir7117
      @qasimmir7117 5 лет назад +23

      Ψ Yes.

    • @varski76
      @varski76 5 лет назад +58

      Yes just like the F1. I was worried when I first heard there is going to be a tribute car to F1 but after hearing these my heart feels pleased. Hopefully its going to be nice to look too

    • @larssonk22
      @larssonk22 5 лет назад +4

      If you haven't already by now, go and listen to Murray talk about the design of the car himself. ruclips.net/video/o3dJciP5yP8/видео.html

    • @arloridesbikes9921
      @arloridesbikes9921 5 лет назад +5

      I feel how you feel about the manual v12 NA

    • @yacobgugsa2524
      @yacobgugsa2524 5 лет назад +10

      The last NA V12 and manual transmission I know of was the Murcielago LP640 (and even then it was optional, I think only a few dozen LP640s worldwide had the manual)

  • @venividivicigaming2746
    @venividivicigaming2746 5 лет назад +2029

    Lmao I thought it was a car designed by a fan

    • @erentopuz9084
      @erentopuz9084 5 лет назад +91

      and i thought it was a car for the fans

    • @ZahirUddin89
      @ZahirUddin89 5 лет назад +17

      lol you are not the only one

    • @joshuachandra6677
      @joshuachandra6677 5 лет назад +17

      Glad I'm not the only stupid one

    • @anthonysmith7612
      @anthonysmith7612 5 лет назад +14

      Took me three minutes through the video to work that out

    • @karenmarieh.j.3842
      @karenmarieh.j.3842 5 лет назад +1

      Same... thought that it was going to be a car that would transform into whatever famous car that the owner wanted.

  • @Chalky.
    @Chalky. 5 лет назад +135

    Drive over manure in those cars and the shit really hits the fan.

    • @dodgeavenger
      @dodgeavenger 5 лет назад +6

      Goddamnit

    • @Merto6
      @Merto6 5 лет назад +1

      its a mclaren so the whole car is manure

  • @Retro-uw5ie
    @Retro-uw5ie 5 лет назад +198

    True race car for the road. "Technically legal" all we need is a loophole and a crowbar and we have our go ahead.
    This car is an old technological marvel and a tribute to the simple in a single car. This will be fun.

    • @clanrobertson7200
      @clanrobertson7200 5 лет назад +5

      Retro 8821
      You are right about this being old technology. Jim Hall designed a Fan Car for extreme down force around 1970. It was one of his stable of Chaparrals that created some of the first functional aerodynamic race cars. I believe that his fan car was ultimately deemed illegal because of the advantage that it gave him in Grand Prix and CanAm Races. I was lucky enough to be at Sebring when he beat the Ford GT 40s that later won at Le Mon.
      The old professor

    • @campkira
      @campkira 5 лет назад

      he went to austria just for that? I been to red bull hanger before... don't worth to go unless you are invited.... which i did... to HQ as well...

    • @McLarenMercedes
      @McLarenMercedes 5 лет назад +2

      @@clanrobertson7200 Jim Hall's car had fans powered by a small two stroke engine. It was banned simply because the rules stipulated you couldn't have two (or more) engines in a car and his car clearly broke that rule. The Chaparral cars never entered any Grand Prix races only endurance events and Can-Am. Another thing: Although the 2J Chaparral was innovative it struggled with reliability and rarely finished the races it entered in Can-Am in 1970. It won none that season. Had it been properly tweaked and ironed out for 1971, who knows? But as things were it had qualifying pace but never finished on the podium. The car was a "what if" ?
      Gordon Murray's Brabham BT46 was a winner right away and won easily against the already dominant (in itself) Lotus 79 ground effect car with sliding skirts. It entered one race and the rules were changed after that F1 Grand Prix and it was consequently banned.
      "I was lucky enough to be at Sebring when he beat the Ford GT 40s that later won at Le Mon" Well, maybe you've got the years mixed up there because the 2J Chaparral raced in 1970 and Chaparral won the 1965 Sebring 12 Hours with the 2A - which was fairly conventional compared to the latter Chaparral cars. As for being "lucky enough" it seems most who watched the race felt they weren't since the second part was ruined by some serious rain which soaked everybody to their bones. Local reporters saw a lot of people leaving before the race was over partly because the average speeds of the cars dropped to a lowly 28mph under those dreadful conditions (the cars looked like more like speed boats) but more to the fact it was cold, rainy and windy. Chaparral did indeed win over the Ford GT40 but at that part of the race most people didn't care because their day had been ruined by the rain.
      And that is Le MANS.
      To nitpick. Ford's GT40 did go to LeMans after Sebring in 1965 but failed to finish that race. It was to be another Ferrari win that year. They did get it right in 1966 though.

    • @BlatentlyFakeName
      @BlatentlyFakeName 5 лет назад

      I just cant see it being road legal without huge compromises though. They are banned because they kick up all sorts of crap and fling it at following cars like a bullet. It fan would need to be shrouded somehow which will reduce its effectiveness.

    • @christianponicki9581
      @christianponicki9581 5 лет назад

      @@BlatentlyFakeName That's just a myth that came from competitors who couldn't keep up with it. Classic F1, where if you can't beat em, just bitch and moan, then legislate em out of existence.

  • @rodracer4567
    @rodracer4567 5 лет назад +145

    I approve of this. The modern car industry needs more insanity.

  • @SmashGhost
    @SmashGhost 5 лет назад +59

    Air comes rushing in and that creates downforce?? What?! No! The pressure differential creates the downforce. If air came "rushing in" it would neutralise the differential.

    • @falcongamer58
      @falcongamer58 5 лет назад

      ^

    • @tiegertanz
      @tiegertanz 5 лет назад +10

      Air comes rushing in, thus increasing the speed in which the air travels, this on the otherhand decreases the Air pressure and this creates downforce, so technically spoken: He's completly right!

    • @kamikaze1827
      @kamikaze1827 5 лет назад +3

      @@tiegertanz Not quite. This is a common mechanistic misconception of Bernoulli's principle.

    • @ezra5485
      @ezra5485 5 лет назад

      Manu blabla you don’t really understand how pressure works

    • @colinjohnston8519
      @colinjohnston8519 5 лет назад

      @@ezra5485 lol you don't understand how physics works. When the car is travelling at 200 mph then yes, the air rushes in numb nuts. Aircraft work the same way by creating low pressure above the wings. I suppose you wouldn't call air travelling at the speed of sound rushing either? Idiot.

  • @jaelpikner9872
    @jaelpikner9872 5 лет назад +137

    we are basically getting a 650 bhp vacuum cleaner. *nice*

    • @Peanutdenver
      @Peanutdenver 5 лет назад +5

      Dogs hate this car...

    • @JD-wy4ti
      @JD-wy4ti 5 лет назад +2

      The one time i will love doing the hoovering

    • @MonkeyWrenching
      @MonkeyWrenching 4 года назад +1

      *Kirby has entered the chat*

    • @willrichter4041
      @willrichter4041 4 года назад

      Naaaaaaaaah we're not, the millionaires are.

  • @Thigrandil
    @Thigrandil 5 лет назад +396

    Rofl i thought it was designed by us, the fans.

    • @brellnob
      @brellnob 5 лет назад +1

      Donvale You know why you thought that right?

    • @philtaylor3098
      @philtaylor3098 5 лет назад

      So did I. I thought some spotty face kid designed it.

    • @JH-jo9wt
      @JH-jo9wt 4 года назад

      Other countries apart from Americans are fans silly

  • @b145701s
    @b145701s 5 лет назад +177

    Big fan of this, hope they dont blow it out of proportion...

    • @jackconde471
      @jackconde471 5 лет назад +22

      b145701s it would totally suck if they did

    • @MaD707MaN
      @MaD707MaN 5 лет назад +17

      Can't like this one until the mistake is fixed... It blew it for me.

    • @CorsaIndia
      @CorsaIndia 5 лет назад +1

      Pun

    • @sabersz
      @sabersz 5 лет назад

      For 2.5 million id say they already have.

    • @eddymison3527
      @eddymison3527 5 лет назад +3

      we'll see when sh*t hits the fan

  • @mrplop38
    @mrplop38 5 лет назад +223

    So what we have is a vacuum cleaner.. I like it

    • @joshuachandra6677
      @joshuachandra6677 5 лет назад +24

      See its environmental it cleans up dirty roads

    • @falcongamer58
      @falcongamer58 5 лет назад +2

      @@fingersTitan lol

    • @TestarossaF110
      @TestarossaF110 5 лет назад +3

      No, that would mean its illegal. What we'll have is a cooling fan (for 51%) and a succ fan (for 49%). so rather than succ its a cooling fan.

    • @TestarossaF110
      @TestarossaF110 5 лет назад +2

      @@fingersTitan me using the word "succ" means I understand it's a comment and not stating a fact. Lol

    • @GewelReal
      @GewelReal 5 лет назад +1

      @@TestarossaF110 It's a cooling fan that generates downforce as a by-product

  • @kissumisha
    @kissumisha 5 лет назад +31

    A car that sucks? Shut up and take my money!

  • @KNURKonesur
    @KNURKonesur 5 лет назад +39

    "If you could pick one car to attach a fan like this to..."
    How about a Reliant Robin, so it stops toppling over? :D

    • @Velocitist
      @Velocitist 4 года назад +1

      But then you'd have to redesign the underbody so the air can be channelled without "leaking".

    • @dontadavis8597
      @dontadavis8597 4 года назад

      Supra? 240? S15?

  • @Th3James
    @Th3James 5 лет назад +21

    McLaren F1 actually had active aero in the form of kevlar fans under the car

  • @Druid_22b
    @Druid_22b 5 лет назад +16

    The original McLaren F1 had under body fans to increase downforce...

    • @jijo666
      @jijo666 4 года назад +2

      An overlooked feature

  • @DonLee1980
    @DonLee1980 5 лет назад +140

    "instead of downshifting into corners"
    Um, downshifting is exactly increasing engine revs at lower speeds. SMH.

    • @Justinyoon12345
      @Justinyoon12345 5 лет назад +10

      yeah it was very confusing to hear him say thag

    • @jesperviktorsson8027
      @jesperviktorsson8027 5 лет назад +3

      Disliked the video because of that, makes the seem like som pile of bullshit

    • @kedarpuranik750
      @kedarpuranik750 5 лет назад +68

      Actually what he meant was correct, the fan isn't connected to the engine, but to the gearbox. 1)When we downshift, the engine revs faster because we have a low gear ratio i.e the Driving gear (Connected to engine) will spin faster than Driven gear (connected to wheels).
      2) When in higher gears, the Driving gear spins slower than the Driven gear, i.e output shaft(from the gearbox) will rev fast, to which the fan is connected.
      >So if you down shift at a turn, your engine revs fast; gearbox revs slow. If the gear is kept high while turning then, engine rev constant; gearbox rev constant(high at output shaft) ; car velocity High; and down force high.

    • @Caluma122
      @Caluma122 5 лет назад +6

      @@kedarpuranik750 Uhh, I feel thick! Thank you for clarifying that. That's why it would seem counter intuitive then.

    • @jelleh1462
      @jelleh1462 4 года назад +1

      @@jesperviktorsson8027 its connected to the gearbox

  • @ChemBustaRhymes
    @ChemBustaRhymes 5 лет назад +249

    Will such car lift manhole covers?

    • @totalmadnesman
      @totalmadnesman 5 лет назад +4

      Probably not, I must not be so strong, otherwise it would never be road legal.

    • @go2yanks
      @go2yanks 5 лет назад +48

      TotalMadnessMan One can also assume you’re not going to be running the fan when you’re driving in normal road conditions...

    • @jorge8596
      @jorge8596 5 лет назад +5

      @@go2yanks but someone might do it, unless there is a system that prevents you from using the fan if the GPS knows you aren't on a racetrack or something

    • @siraff4461
      @siraff4461 5 лет назад +18

      Please tell me that's a joke? If not maybe try listening in any physics lesson. No. It won't pull manhole covers up. It won't suck children in either or change the Earths gravitational pull.

    • @josh-supreme6441
      @josh-supreme6441 5 лет назад +5

      Maybe

  • @themightydash1714
    @themightydash1714 5 лет назад +46

    So, logically they're actually doing this for the Le Mans Hypercar class...

    • @falcongamer58
      @falcongamer58 5 лет назад +1

      Does WEC Hypercar prohibit fans?

    • @ChefofWar33
      @ChefofWar33 5 лет назад +1

      It would for sure be outlawed. Too good.

    • @beo757
      @beo757 5 лет назад +1

      @@falcongamer58 it is a moveable aero device, it will be banned 100%. But one interesting thing about the new class, racecars don't have to be all that similar to their road going counterparts, e.g. road going Valkyrie has hybrid power unit but it will be petrol only in WEC.

    • @budthecyborg4575
      @budthecyborg4575 4 года назад

      @@beo757 Unfortunately Valkyrie has been pulled out of WEC (as of 1H2020).

  • @ramosel
    @ramosel 5 лет назад +83

    Lets not forget it was Jim Hall who brought the fan car to racing. Chaparral 2J

    • @BrownSofaGamer
      @BrownSofaGamer 5 лет назад +13

      I know they completely glossed over the 2J even though it was a Can Am monster

    • @johnherbold6539
      @johnherbold6539 5 лет назад +10

      Yea, and it seemed better how it had separate snowmobile engines to power the fans

    • @cademckee7276
      @cademckee7276 5 лет назад +5

      John Herbold the 2J was great but was hindered by the gearbox, plus McLaren and other Can am teams where pissed.

    • @MrGreenAKAguci00
      @MrGreenAKAguci00 5 лет назад

      @@cademckee7276 it had 3 gears yes but it still accelerated very quickly.

    • @McLarenMercedes
      @McLarenMercedes 5 лет назад

      @@BrownSofaGamer A "monster" it may have been in qualifying speed but it didn't finish any races in the 1970 CanAm season. Since there were no power or displacement limit in CanAm the trick was really to make the cars last all the way. So it was no "monster" winner in 1970 for sure. Gordon Murray's Brabham BT46 won straight away and even made the already dominant Lotus 79 (which made everybody else look slow prior to that grand prix) look slow. In CanAm anything went, but in F1 rules were more rigid and there certainly was no place to fit a secondary 2-stroke engine - even if a such had been legal. And yes, since the fan was driven by the engine itself the driver could control the amount of downforce with the throttle directly. As such it's a more practical solution than the 2-stroke engine powering the fans the 2J car used.

  • @dom3136
    @dom3136 5 лет назад +9

    mazda 787B would be a great car to have a fan because if you look at the nature of a rotary engine it's always revs high and with a fan that would be incredible amount of downforce. If anything maybe the mazda furai would be a bit better but we will never know :(

  • @styloyt
    @styloyt 5 лет назад +74

    Can I attach myself to the McLaren F1? I’m a fan, so it should count.

  • @brauljo
    @brauljo 5 лет назад +4

    4:03 That's the Redbull X2010, the later improved X2011 had a larger wing

  • @clanrobertson7200
    @clanrobertson7200 5 лет назад +5

    This is old old technology. Jim Hall designed a Fan Car for extreme down force around 1970. It was one of his stable of Chaparrals that created some of the first functional aerodynamic race cars. I believe that his fan car was ultimately deemed illegal because of the advantage that it gave him in Grand Prix and CanAm Races. I was lucky enough to be at Sebring when he beat the Ford GT 40s that later won at Le Mon.
    The old professor

    • @GTChucker86
      @GTChucker86 5 лет назад

      Clan Robertson Noone is saying its new, the point of this video is that Gordon Murray is in the works of designing a car based around the fan concept. Much like his work on the Mclaren F1 where its the first road car with ground effect this new car of his is the first road car with a
      Fan along with ground effect. Gordon Murray heavily analysed and studied Jim Hall’s 2J which he later applied it to the Brabham BT46 until his team boss Bernie Ecclestone pulled the car out of contention cause he didnt want to upset the other teams cause it was seemed too dominant in its first and only race.

  • @Ian-oe9wp
    @Ian-oe9wp 5 лет назад +16

    can't believe they made an actual x 2010 full size model

  • @willbill6449
    @willbill6449 5 лет назад +48

    I remember driving that Red Bull concept in Gran Turismo, and it was absolute insanity

    • @rkan2
      @rkan2 5 лет назад +1

      Now imagine some SpaceX technology like is going to be on the new Roadster (for 1/10th the price...)

    • @coltondoescars
      @coltondoescars 5 лет назад +10

      @@rkan2 There's absolutely no way the Roadster will be anywhere near as fast as that concept would be. The Roadster will be awesome, but that Redbull concept is an entirely different level.

    • @redshift3345
      @redshift3345 5 лет назад

      Yeah, well it helped me complete a lot of races, if I'm honest.

    • @DavidSVega-cu1dv
      @DavidSVega-cu1dv 5 лет назад

      I’ve been thinking of buying the new grand turismo does anyone know if that car is in there?

    • @redshift3345
      @redshift3345 5 лет назад +2

      @@DavidSVega-cu1dv You mean Gran Turismo Sport? I got it a while ago, but it's nothing like the old Gran Turismo games; it's a much more accurate/realistic virtual racing game, but all the old classic race tracks are gone, and there's hardly any cars apart from some classics and the obvious, modern stuff...
      It's absolutely nothing like Gran Turismo 5.
      Peace

  • @FAT8893
    @FAT8893 5 лет назад +10

    Gordon Murray really is a genius, I always love his creation.

  • @_Chev_Chelios
    @_Chev_Chelios 5 лет назад +10

    “Normal hyper car figures”?? Low horsepower, natural aspiration, manual transmission are all NOT normal hyper car figures...in this century.

    • @berzerkrobot
      @berzerkrobot 5 лет назад +1

      I was expecting more people to point that out!

    • @Full_Otto_Bismarck
      @Full_Otto_Bismarck 5 лет назад +1

      Apparently you aren't familiar with the concept of power to weight ratios.

    • @berzerkrobot
      @berzerkrobot 5 лет назад +2

      @@Full_Otto_Bismarck funny, because sports cars are heavier than ever.

    • @_Chev_Chelios
      @_Chev_Chelios 5 лет назад +1

      Joshua Johnson,
      apparently you aren’t equipped with reading comprehension.

    • @Full_Otto_Bismarck
      @Full_Otto_Bismarck 5 лет назад

      @@_Chev_Chelios And you cannot comprehend that "low horsepower" is relative to the weight of the car.

  • @nasen2727
    @nasen2727 5 лет назад +12

    This will basically be used by car manufacturers as a way to sell their cars at ridiculous prices for performance that will never be used by the people who drive them.

  • @B4R0N.
    @B4R0N. 5 лет назад +10

    If I had to put a fan on something, it’d be a Chiron. That’d just be mad on the traction level and it wouldn’t affect the rear end’s styling much.
    Also, the McLaren F1 technically was a fan car. It had a “high downforce mode” that made it activate small fans that sucked the car down.

    • @louisgreenleaf235
      @louisgreenleaf235 5 лет назад

      F1 was the first car with ground effect. I don’t think it had a mode that you could select the level of downforce.

  • @PradhumanRehal
    @PradhumanRehal 5 лет назад +4

    I think fan will only operate in track mode, considering the original F1 fan car was blamed of shooting stones and debris at the cars behind.

  • @rob_ah_
    @rob_ah_ 5 лет назад +3

    I would put a fan setup in my 300C. The one thing it doesn't do is take corners.
    Keep up the solid content!

  • @GH0ST3DDD
    @GH0ST3DDD 5 лет назад +120

    I'm not a huge fan of this idea

    • @vanguardsr368
      @vanguardsr368 5 лет назад

      Haha

    • @autochap4745
      @autochap4745 5 лет назад +7

      xFL3TA OW Original one will always be the best. It will be extremely hard to make anything like that. This rawness of natural aspirated engine making huge power and spectacular noise which is combined with lightweight chassis. It cannot be better. And it is fine. We do not need one :)

    • @GetsugaTensho85
      @GetsugaTensho85 5 лет назад

      You sneaky Bastard!

    • @savejeff15
      @savejeff15 5 лет назад

      i see what you did there

    • @bernardomontesdeoca130
      @bernardomontesdeoca130 5 лет назад

      Smooth.

  • @yacobgugsa2524
    @yacobgugsa2524 5 лет назад +2

    *Flashbacks to the Chapparel 2J in GT4*

  • @cpnoshow8264
    @cpnoshow8264 5 лет назад +31

    2:49 any real car enthusiast would call bull$hit (shift down = higher revs)

    • @MarkChance
      @MarkChance 5 лет назад +7

      Yeah, that raised an eyebrow with me also. He clearly has no clue what he is talking about.

    • @Villex93
      @Villex93 5 лет назад +1

      Unless you have the clutch open. Which they dont.

    • @dkphantomdk
      @dkphantomdk 5 лет назад

      agreed, I caught that mistake too !
      I guess he ment normaly you would shift down to put the engine in the right rpm for maximum acceleration out of the corner.
      where the fan car needed to have maximum rpm just to get more downforce, and then upship when the corner is exited !

    • @kevinclark9176
      @kevinclark9176 5 лет назад

      CP NOSHOW yeah, i caught that too. Was like, nope, not how that works. But maybe he was referring to older race cars that were still manual. As you were slowing for a corner you’d have the clutch in or shift to neutral, so the revs would drop.

    • @xexecuterxx
      @xexecuterxx 5 лет назад +1

      y'all are wrong, he means you'd hit the corner and redline through it, then shift up once you're done, so you shift up out of the corner is correct. He said it in a weird way but he just means you couldnt just shift down, go off throttle, corner, then ram the gas, the gas had to be pinned throughout

  • @Honda_Man_Sam
    @Honda_Man_Sam 5 лет назад +1

    A fanned hill climb monster would be insane. Cars like evos and Imprezas would be interesting to say the least

  • @bucketslash11
    @bucketslash11 5 лет назад +3

    you forgot to mention that the X2010 got updated, they also made an X2011 (with a bigger wing and narrower cockpit) and an X2014 (with less power and more focus on handling)

  • @fartvader84yearsago8
    @fartvader84yearsago8 5 лет назад +2

    McLaren: We need a car that fans would love
    Gordon Murray: *WELL I DO HAVE AN IDEA FOR YOU*

  • @cipher0334
    @cipher0334 5 лет назад +75

    I want to end myself reading all these fan puns

    • @thegreengoblin3198
      @thegreengoblin3198 5 лет назад +16

      You could say these jokes blow

    • @rudygay9329
      @rudygay9329 5 лет назад

      Ace combat zero well if your cipher I’m pixy

    • @didiandiano
      @didiandiano 5 лет назад

      oh come on~ with the words fan and suck, it's begging for puns

  • @PratikParija
    @PratikParija 5 лет назад +3

    It's hilarious how many people thought "fan car" meant car designed by fans. Lol

  • @snowcat3116
    @snowcat3116 5 лет назад +6

    The fan could be powered by it's own electric motor. Just a thought.
    Edit from 12/22/2019 : Gordon Murray just revealed more about the T50. Apparently, the fan will be electric powered

    • @rallyramone
      @rallyramone 5 лет назад

      exactly what I was thinking

    • @robzu1010
      @robzu1010 5 лет назад +1

      It most probably obviously will in the T.50, but the host was addressing the way they made it for the Brabham fan car back in the day.

    • @pharaongaming8617
      @pharaongaming8617 5 лет назад

      but when it runs From Engine isn't it better? lighter, less complicated and more responsive (by a few milliseconds but still)

    • @robzu1010
      @robzu1010 5 лет назад +1

      @@pharaongaming8617 Probably none of those, actually. If the case were that it was directly connected to the crankshaft of the engine via a shaft, it maybe would be lighter, but I doubt it'd still be more responsive than just a lightweight electric motor spooling up. And that way of building it would be ridiculous anyway, because you'd end up with the same problem that they had with the F1 car. So, realistically, they'd have to make a system (CVT gearbox comes to mind) that uses the power of the engine, but could constantly change the speed of the fan independently from the engines RPM. Surely something like that will end up weighing much, much more, than a relatively small electric motor. If the fan were connected to the engine, it would also sap a lot more horsepower out of the engine, compared to just making the engine produce a bit of electricity. And because of all of that, I'm pretty sure they will just use an electric motor for the job.

    • @pharaongaming8617
      @pharaongaming8617 5 лет назад

      @@robzu1010 how wouldnt it be more responsive? it would literally be instantaneous, also i think fan would still require battaries which could way more than crank and gearbox for fan but thats one disadvantage of engine driven fan, it would need a gearbox for road car but it could have been CVT not to lose time in gea changes, also i dont think it would require more power, electric motor would be quite a bit bigger than you might think and even it might need transmission, it should overcome the air resistance and at higher speeds air is very hard to push away, it being connected would be more Raw and racecary but this is a modern car so they will probably go with electric motor

  • @Countrysideboy247
    @Countrysideboy247 5 лет назад

    I love the fact that it is a manual car with an internal combustion engine ! What I hate is that you cannot slide ! But good to hear that a fan powered car is making an appearance!

  • @nickperkins4669
    @nickperkins4669 5 лет назад +19

    Didn’t the McLaren F1 have 2 electric fans in the diffuser to add downforce?

    • @matteightytwo
      @matteightytwo 5 лет назад +1

      That's what I thought. There was a specific high downforce mode iirc

  • @kjmiller5023
    @kjmiller5023 5 лет назад +1

    Literally a fan car. I thought it was gonna be like a design made by the public

  • @F1ll1nTh3Blanks
    @F1ll1nTh3Blanks 5 лет назад +3

    This vs the Valkyrie AMR, the JESKO and the AMG One in LMHS would be awesome. 👌

  • @robert23497
    @robert23497 5 лет назад

    Gordon Murray is an absolute mechanical genius and I can't wait to see what he builds. I will say......i had dreamed of one day building my own supercar. Mine would have all wheel drive and all wheel steering, a wing that moved up and down depending on whether the car was in a corner or a straight a way, a fan that was powered independently from the cars main engine, manual or dual clutch automatic transmission, and weigh as little as possible. The rear wing AND the fan speed(underbody suction) would change on the fly when on the racetrack and be linked to GPS so that the car knew where it was in order to facilitate the correct changes to wing angle and fan speed. Again, there isn't much need for downforce when yur on the straightaway. I'm American and biased on this for sure but, I would use a nascar inspired V8 that was atleast 400 cubic inches in size. Probably a 427.....as both Ford and Chevy built them over the years with great success. They will make 800 hp AND also have great torque. I will also add that Gordon Murray used a fan car successfully but wasn't the only one. Chaparral raced a car called the 2J. It wasn't as successful as Murray's rendition but was designed by another mechanical genius. With more funding(and less whining from competitors) it would have done better.

  • @maximilianlindner
    @maximilianlindner 5 лет назад +41

    'A fan car'
    me: ThIs CaR iS mAdE fOr FaNbOyS oF tHe BrAnD...

    • @joshuachandra6677
      @joshuachandra6677 5 лет назад

      There are many of us that are foolish like you😂

    • @themightydash1714
      @themightydash1714 5 лет назад

      only people who thought that don't follow motorsport.

  • @alechall7082
    @alechall7082 5 лет назад

    So glad that drivetribe is finally taking off. When Jeremy announced it on the grand tour i knew it would eventually be huge. You guys really put in the work and it shows, keep it up.

  • @MarkMeadows90
    @MarkMeadows90 5 лет назад +4

    The Red Bull fan car reminds me of F-Zero

  • @ThatGuy-ou4ev
    @ThatGuy-ou4ev 5 лет назад +1

    1:You could use consumable floating side skirts that are replaced every couple 100km..
    2:You see, the biggest problems are rocks, gravel, pedestrians and traffic. Ever watched final destination lawn mower scene?

  • @alanzyoutube
    @alanzyoutube 5 лет назад +13

    Sounds interesting.
    I find the music on the video quite distracting.

    • @donaldmoser212
      @donaldmoser212 5 лет назад +1

      Very much so. Producers take note. When you have to replay parts of the video 3X to understand what was said, ambient music & sounds need to be eliminated.

  • @bruh_machine
    @bruh_machine 5 лет назад +1

    I remember the fans on the Chapparal 2J playing Gran Turismo 4. I looked it up and was like, fan tech is neat as heck.

  • @thecatthatgotaway
    @thecatthatgotaway 5 лет назад +5

    im 100% sure the successor of the F1 is the P1, even if the people designing the car say im wrong

    • @drazenbudis7881
      @drazenbudis7881 5 лет назад +1

      the cat that got away Actually no, its not.
      Mclaren F1 had a Mclaren badge by simple chance, because Murray was Mclaren employee at the time, but the car (f1) was whole his creation - which mclaren then simply financed and put the badge on.
      P1 has absolutly nothig in common with F1, nor is it done by Gordon Murray principals, so its right to say that this is the first actual succsesor to F1 as it was.

  • @toastywhiteboy7822
    @toastywhiteboy7822 5 лет назад

    Mid-engine Corvettes, 300mph production car, hybrid Lamborghini. Now this concept is green lit? 2019 is bizzare.

  • @artano5954
    @artano5954 5 лет назад +9

    I'm getting my first car in a few days!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @MatheusSilva-qm1ft
    @MatheusSilva-qm1ft 5 лет назад +1

    1:53 I have no idea why a fan car would be road illegal in the first place

  • @beaudidlyno1
    @beaudidlyno1 5 лет назад +4

    Autoglass are going to love this car. Anyone behind will have there windscreens shattered by supersonic gravel...Insurance company's are going to hate that..

    • @MarioXcore1
      @MarioXcore1 5 лет назад

      thats not how it works

    • @beaudidlyno1
      @beaudidlyno1 5 лет назад

      For the purposes of comedic ridicule,, yes it does... Life's to short to get the slide rule out and discuss the finer points of the blueprints!!

  • @lucywucyyy
    @lucywucyyy 5 лет назад

    its about damn time this technology was brought back, in fact it should never have been banned from racing in the first place

  • @walterd7331
    @walterd7331 5 лет назад +5

    Brilliant! A car for the fan's, not for the simpletons.

  • @TenorCantusFirmus
    @TenorCantusFirmus 4 года назад

    650 HPs, manual gearbox and fan-driven aerodynamic.
    If true, screw the rest, this would be the hypercar to go for.

  • @autochap4745
    @autochap4745 5 лет назад +8

    Original McLaren F1 is the best car ever. Period.

    • @GB-vn1tf
      @GB-vn1tf 5 лет назад +2

      Some of the new super/hyper cars come close, but I agree with you. They could have compromised to make it more user friendly but that wasn't what the F1 was about. I think the clue is its name. F1 isn't a name you give to a luxury car.

    • @allensaunders449
      @allensaunders449 5 лет назад

      No such thing as the best period

    • @GB-vn1tf
      @GB-vn1tf 5 лет назад

      @@allensaunders449 Period is American for full stop. As in "Original McLaren F1 is the best car ever" Full stop.

    • @allensaunders449
      @allensaunders449 5 лет назад

      @@GB-vn1tf no it means end of discussion no other opinions allowed

    • @R4M_Tommy
      @R4M_Tommy 5 лет назад

      @@GB-vn1tf the F1 was effectivelly a hyper-GT. It wasn't extreme

  • @beachboardfan9544
    @beachboardfan9544 5 лет назад

    The local municipalities will appreciate you vacuuming their roads for free

  • @Joserider123
    @Joserider123 5 лет назад +3

    I’m just gonna ignore that the red bull plane says Hamilton on it.

  • @petittoto7433
    @petittoto7433 5 лет назад

    To have constant airflow with variable shaft (motor) speed, there are fans (propellers) with variable pitch. They have been used on planes for tens of years...

  • @DrBreezeAir
    @DrBreezeAir 5 лет назад +8

    Imagine all the crap it's gonna throw from behind.
    Hey didn't this guy tell us how great the stupid FWD 1 series is?

    • @truantray
      @truantray 5 лет назад

      Thats why it was banned in CanAm and F1.

    • @siraff4461
      @siraff4461 5 лет назад

      @@truantray No. It was banned for being way too fast compared to other cars. There has never been a problem with fan cars throwing grit up any more than anything else with sticky tyres.
      Why does everyone imagine the fan will suck like a Thai ladyboy with a £50 note in their hand? At ground level it will be a few psi at most. Think reverse hovercraft. The effect on the ground isn't a lot but it's over such a large area it has a large effect overall on the mass of the vehicle. Ground pressure on a hovercraft is also usually only a few psi.

  • @parkerjacobs4493
    @parkerjacobs4493 5 лет назад

    In the 90’s there was an engineer with what I believe was an rx7 fan car. Know he was autocrossing with it in central Florida until the fan let go into a corner and stuffed it

  • @rjh5997
    @rjh5997 5 лет назад +8

    "Imagine if something like this made it to real life." Just turn around.

    • @PatrickPaul1203
      @PatrickPaul1203 5 лет назад +5

      Rj H it’s only a prototype not an actual car. No engine inside of it.

    • @jorge8596
      @jorge8596 5 лет назад

      It's a mockup. In the game it is supposed to have a 1500hp engine

  • @RMediaObelisk
    @RMediaObelisk 5 лет назад

    Jim Hall must be happy that the idea he set forth with the 2J is making an emergence almost 50 years later.

  • @grendelum
    @grendelum 5 лет назад +3

    Worst explanation of downforce ever...

    • @MarkChance
      @MarkChance 5 лет назад +2

      He also says downshifting lowers revs. What a dumbass

  • @Moto_Medics
    @Moto_Medics 5 лет назад

    I’m blown away by that Red Bull concept absolutely mind numbing

  • @jumoreno43
    @jumoreno43 5 лет назад +5

    this idea sucks... not a big fan... its gonna blow

  • @Oivaras
    @Oivaras 5 лет назад

    Red Bull Hangar 7 is in Salzburg, Austria. It's very worth visiting, lots of amazing stuff there and entrance is free. Try to go downstairs to the restrooms too, they're very beautifully designed.

  • @bazzyg
    @bazzyg 5 лет назад +5

    Everyone including me thought it was a car designed for and by fans (as in lovers of cars).

    • @benburrell
      @benburrell 5 лет назад +2

      Bazzyg Ohhhh... I thought it was a car designed for and by fans (as in the things on the ceiling that spin)

    • @bazzyg
      @bazzyg 5 лет назад

      lol smartass

  • @ambisionzofrva
    @ambisionzofrva 5 лет назад

    Swap the fans for a compressed air push/thrust type system, 1-2 mph now but the tech should evolve quite nicely over the years. With all the vectoring (torque,air,etc) going into more and more super/hyper cars the addition of using the air the car encounters to thrust it forward should be fun and quite interesting to see.

  • @camrsr5463
    @camrsr5463 5 лет назад +3

    Put that thing in a Porsche or in an Indycar.
    I would like to see a bit more body work (enclosed front wheels) to try to make open wheeled cars durable and forgiving while racing.
    Thoughts?

  • @johnlloyd2390
    @johnlloyd2390 5 лет назад

    A "fan car" does not always need to be driven by the engine. Jim Hall's Chaparral 1J used a small auxiliary engine, driving two very large fans. The weight of the second engine is a bit of a disadvantage, but it freed the driver to apply downforce when needed, and remove it in the straights. His movable wing did the same thing. In a street car, an electric motor could do the same job, driven by a strong alternator.
    The question is, why? Adding fans, skirts, etc. add weight and complexity to a road car, which will likely never come within ¼ of its on-track potential, if that. Then there is the legal liability involved if the car's downforce fan starts picking up debris and throwing it at other cars, cyclists, pedestrians, windows, etc. Though I admit that watching a fan car in snow would be hilarious.

  • @SuperScarab120
    @SuperScarab120 5 лет назад +3

    if this does come true let's hope no one drives over a gravel road with it

  • @SilvesterHumaj
    @SilvesterHumaj 4 года назад

    Downforce / braking fan technology would be really cool & possibly dovetail well with the design & layout of the 911 Turbo....

  • @faizaanahmed1540
    @faizaanahmed1540 5 лет назад +3

    Petrol shall triumph over electricity, mark my words

    • @PO1S0N-1
      @PO1S0N-1 5 лет назад

      lmao, maybe maybe not but im a fan of petrol but i doubt it will triumph over electricity... electricity is the future unfortunately but i guess it has its pros and cons. electricity is forever but petrol... limited

    • @Full_Otto_Bismarck
      @Full_Otto_Bismarck 5 лет назад

      @@PO1S0N-1 Depends on if Mars has oil or not. Also, there is non biological petroleum that is continually produced deep in the earth's crust, but the amounts are very small compared to old fashioned dinosaur juice.
      Besides that, internal combustion can run on renewable fuels like methanol. As long there are people with the passion and the money internal combustion engines will be around, afterall even an evolved form of chariot racing still exists.

  • @robbybahnsen_15R
    @robbybahnsen_15R 5 лет назад

    If the fan was attached to the output of the transmission. I don't think downforce would depended on revs but rather how fast you go because the output of the transmission is not dependent on revs but rather revs relative to what gear you're in. Still cool technology though.

  • @weedfreer
    @weedfreer 5 лет назад

    so one of the reasons this was shelved was because of the fans tendancy to fire loose stones from the road surface directly into the path of oncoming cars at litterally the speed of a bullet.
    Can look forward to following one of these things for sure!

  • @randiricci5620
    @randiricci5620 4 года назад

    much better alternative to elaborate "ground effects" wings,planes,etc....imo

  • @JakobusVdL
    @JakobusVdL 4 года назад

    The video mentions the advantage of the fan suction in low speed corners - but what about from a standing start? If you could crank up max downforce at a stand still, the traction off the line would be phenominal!

  • @Bollingersound
    @Bollingersound 5 лет назад

    I’d like to see a manufacturer make a mclaren f1 replica car (or at least one matching the proportions and layout), but in affordable materials and drivetrain swap kits so the customer can choose his drivetrain... put a fan setup on that!

  • @natepatterson4934
    @natepatterson4934 5 лет назад

    Gordon Murray could well take some pointers from the first fan-car Jim Hall’s Chaparral 2J. It had full downforce from 0mph to top speed.

  • @screaminlordbyron7767
    @screaminlordbyron7767 5 лет назад

    I was supposed to wait until the first day of April to reaveal this but I couldn't wait. Apparently local councils will be using these cars towing trailers with big bags to vacuum the roads in record time!

  • @paulbell56
    @paulbell56 4 года назад

    These days I would use KERS to regen under braking and then power the fan with an electric motor. This would leave the engine to move the car and allow for much finer control of the downforce levels.

  • @bjofuruh
    @bjofuruh 5 лет назад

    I have also a fan car, believe it or not.
    It is a Toyota Avensis, and the fan sits right behind the radiator!
    Wow I`m inside with the big guys now.

  • @khabaaustralia
    @khabaaustralia 4 года назад

    The family mini van it'd be a good laugh seeing the kids up against the windows in the corner

  • @redram5150
    @redram5150 3 года назад

    The experimental F-1 car at the end reminds me of French cars from the 30s... Delahaye and Delage primarily

  • @strangelee4400
    @strangelee4400 5 лет назад

    No officer, it's NOT a jet engine strapped to my car...it's my 51% exhaust pipe.

  • @thesunexpress
    @thesunexpress 5 лет назад

    Are we absolutely sure Gordon Murray is not playing a prank on the entire super-car industry? The McLaren F1 has many fans.... he could very well be producing a car for his fans.

  • @Ace_Dee
    @Ace_Dee 5 лет назад +2

    MANUAL GEARBOX!??!?!?! YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

  • @nigelrg1
    @nigelrg1 4 года назад

    The first fan car was the Chaparral sports racer. Funny how it wasn't mentioned.

  • @robertb3409
    @robertb3409 2 года назад

    I love the fact it will have a manual transmission plus having the fan!

  • @hereb4theend
    @hereb4theend 5 лет назад

    You can already use the air from the exhaust to do the same thing without the need to install new hardware.

  • @TamahaganeXenpai
    @TamahaganeXenpai 5 лет назад +1

    20th century people be like: Flying Cars will be the future..
    21st century people be like: We add fans to stick the car the ground damn it..

  • @JayMaverick
    @JayMaverick 4 года назад

    In other words, it has a massive cooling fan and the marketing team is saying it's for downforce.

  • @arkham7694
    @arkham7694 5 лет назад +2

    Imagine racing versions of this car on Le Mans. That would be epic.

    • @avantiGP
      @avantiGP 5 лет назад

      It just might. www.thedrive.com/accelerator/30005/gordon-murray-could-race-mclaren-f1-successor-t-50-in-le-mans-hypercar-class

  • @Rythblaqk
    @Rythblaqk 5 лет назад

    This'll be great in LA traffic. If your in a convertible in the summer just get behind one of these things, it'll cool ya off.

  • @snailsandtires7398
    @snailsandtires7398 5 лет назад

    Praise to mclaren for giving it a manual. It'll be more relevant than ever. It could pressure the revival of the manual on major performance brands that don't offer it anymore.

  • @damionlee7658
    @damionlee7658 5 лет назад

    The F1 remains my #1 dream car, but I always hoped Murray would give us a successor one day. The timing of this hints that maybe we will see McLaren return to Le Mans, for the upcoming Hypercar devision. Here's hoping!
    Better work on saving those pennies...