A man, along with his wife and his mother from the town I lived were on the PAN AM Tenerife flight and escaped with no injuries. RIP to all who lost their lives.
@@mnirwin5112maybe time to put simulators in centrifuge for 4-6g pull? Blow heavy smoke and flame into sim while upside down could provide more realism👍
I’ve restarted this post 3 times. There is so much here in these three videos. But I’ll reduce it to a list or I’ll be here all day. 1. Single points of failure should not be allowed to exist. This includes single catastrophic actions by people. If timing is critical, it should be handled differently. 2. Critical instrumentation should be redundant. Critical instrumentation on systems that can cause deadly danger should redundant by an odd number of devices of at least 3 in number. The control system should take a vote of the instruments. 3. Safety instrumentation should be redundant with an odd number of instruments - at least 3 in number on a completely separate safety rated system using different modes and paths of signal communication. Failsafe mode should be considered carefully. 4. All controls on critical and safety systems should be failsafe. The failsafe mode needs to be carefully considered. 5. The ability to test how a particular person will react in a true emergency situation is not possible in a safe environment. If you rely on one doing so, figure out something else. 6. Assume a person will screw up and figure out something to prevent it from causing harm. 7. Assume some ingenious id10T will wander by and mess with something they shouldn’t. Take that into account. The same for a know-it-all and the lazy. 8. If all this requires you to lose a row or two of paying customers then lose the customers. Losing all your customers and flight crew is worse. I’ll stop here. The list can go on for a while yet.
There is the apocryphal story wherein, upon activation of a warning light in the prototype 707, Tex Johnston started winding his watch. When the copilot chided him for doing so, Tex said, "Son, I never killed anyone by winding my watch." Tex took his time, and devised an appropriate action.
I have a problem with systems that automatically feather. Every complex airplane that had featherable props required manual activation after confirmation of the reason to shut down the engine.
I think they added the auto feather system after a few crashes caused where the pilots forgot to feather the engine. In this case it was in error, but the main error was the pilot’s own fault.
watching few of these videos and some pilots really dont know what they are doing.. why doesn't the co pilot step in and say, hey thats the wrong engine u cut power.. i dont understand.. captain or no captain, both should understand how to fly and know what each other is doing..
38:30 They should've put a mechanism in that refused to deploy the feathering at the wrong speed. If times were too tight to allow for checklists or even reaction times then they need to automate things more.
I’m willing to bet that the company was like most other companies in that they’re not going to spend one penny more than is absolutely required for training pilots. A checklist when the 💩hits the fan is a poor substitute for hands-on simulations that require an operator to know his/her aircraft almost instinctively. It’s no different in ground transportation. Training is piss poor and kept to a bare minimum to save money and keep the profit margins that ownership wants. They’ve got vacation homes in Hawaii that they got to keep up.
The problem wasn’t because they deployed feathering too early, it was because they unlocked the mechanism too early. The lock was part of the support system. But, I get your point and agree with you. The lever should have armed the unlock mechanism, but not allowed it to unlock until proper conditions were met or a separate override.
It's a huge mistake, and both the pilot and copilot didn't saw it was the wrong engine because they were too nervous, they are human after all, but in such a critical situation, it shouldn't happen. I'm not done with the video yet, but it's what I can understand.
I’m not sure what’s going on inside a feller that wants to be a test pilot after already having a safe and successful career as a pilot. Apparently they have to have a greater dose of adrenaline than normal flying can release.🤷🏽♂️
@@bradleysitsandsipstea33 Actually, that's exactly how Brits, living in Great Britain, pronounce "schedule"...shedule. On the other hand, it's pronounced with a hard "k" in the US....skedule.
When you do things you're not supposed to and do them at the wrong time, it's always a problem. When you do it up in the sky, yo' azz iz grazz in a lawnmower. Remember, it's a long way down, and the only thing to save you from the fall is the sudden stop at the bottom.
What brought down that plane was a faulty oil pressure sensor not the pilots I am so sick of the NTSB blaming everything on the pilots I bet you that plane was 75 years old and want to blame the pilots I'd like to see the NTSB done anything different
Can you imagine the narrator at McDonald’s? “It’s a necessary time to order a #6 before I have s major incident” 😂😂😂 Sorry. It’s just struck me funny 😊
It's a shame the billionaires of the world don't put their money to good use instead of the silly space stuff, which will do nothing but offer a joy ride to a very small number of people. There's never been a better time to raise their taxes.
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It's miraculous that anyone survived that brutal impact! RIP to all that perished in this tragedy
A man, along with his wife and his mother from the town I lived were on the PAN AM Tenerife flight and escaped with no injuries. RIP to all who lost their lives.
You can ace every exam. That means nothing if stress makes you break and you can't perform.
And even all those years of experience can mean nothing!
Sadly, you really can’t test for that in a safe environment.
@Ryarios that's the worst part of it. No time to pull out the notebooks from school!
@@Ryarios Exactly. In the simulator you know it's not real ... unlike when you're in an actual plane and actually in the air.
@@mnirwin5112maybe time to put simulators in centrifuge for 4-6g pull? Blow heavy smoke and flame into sim while upside down could provide more realism👍
In the klm vid the pilot says " if below 30" when it should have been above 30
9 months training, engineers, wow, how could they screw up?
When he admitted it, it sounded like he would still blame the engine but not himself.
I’ve restarted this post 3 times. There is so much here in these three videos. But I’ll reduce it to a list or I’ll be here all day.
1. Single points of failure should not be allowed to exist. This includes single catastrophic actions by people. If timing is critical, it should be handled differently.
2. Critical instrumentation should be redundant. Critical instrumentation on systems that can cause deadly danger should redundant by an odd number of devices of at least 3 in number. The control system should take a vote of the instruments.
3. Safety instrumentation should be redundant with an odd number of instruments - at least 3 in number on a completely separate safety rated system using different modes and paths of signal communication. Failsafe mode should be considered carefully.
4. All controls on critical and safety systems should be failsafe. The failsafe mode needs to be carefully considered.
5. The ability to test how a particular person will react in a true emergency situation is not possible in a safe environment. If you rely on one doing so, figure out something else.
6. Assume a person will screw up and figure out something to prevent it from causing harm.
7. Assume some ingenious id10T will wander by and mess with something they shouldn’t. Take that into account. The same for a know-it-all and the lazy.
8. If all this requires you to lose a row or two of paying customers then lose the customers. Losing all your customers and flight crew is worse.
I’ll stop here. The list can go on for a while yet.
I remember hearing about that space airplane.
The instructions read: "You can't unlock the feathering system too early."
There is the apocryphal story wherein, upon activation of a warning light in the prototype 707, Tex Johnston started winding his watch. When the copilot chided him for doing so, Tex said, "Son, I never killed anyone by winding my watch." Tex took his time, and devised an appropriate action.
That includes bridges. The Scott Francis Key Bridge completely collapsed after a single point failure.
Woah!
I have a problem with systems that automatically feather. Every complex airplane that had featherable props required manual activation after confirmation of the reason to shut down the engine.
I think they added the auto feather system after a few crashes caused where the pilots forgot to feather the engine. In this case it was in error, but the main error was the pilot’s own fault.
watching few of these videos and some pilots really dont know what they are doing.. why doesn't the co pilot step in and say, hey thats the wrong engine u cut power.. i dont understand.. captain or no captain, both should understand how to fly and know what each other is doing..
I guess there will be an auto pilot for space flight coming soon, or they can use AI for space flight, while the pilots are handcuffed to their seat.
Why did the first officer of the KLM flight look like Swiss001?
38:30 They should've put a mechanism in that refused to deploy the feathering at the wrong speed. If times were too tight to allow for checklists or even reaction times then they need to automate things more.
I’m willing to bet that the company was like most other companies in that they’re not going to spend one penny more than is absolutely required for training pilots. A checklist when the 💩hits the fan is a poor substitute for hands-on simulations that require an operator to know his/her aircraft almost instinctively. It’s no different in ground transportation. Training is piss poor and kept to a bare minimum to save money and keep the profit margins that ownership wants. They’ve got vacation homes in Hawaii that they got to keep up.
The problem wasn’t because they deployed feathering too early, it was because they unlocked the mechanism too early. The lock was part of the support system. But, I get your point and agree with you. The lever should have armed the unlock mechanism, but not allowed it to unlock until proper conditions were met or a separate override.
That last one was just WAY too complicated.
Dont like the feather system
"Oh well, I shut off the wrong engine"! WTF!!
From the sound of things, there wasn't much he could do at that point. He was probably in mild shock.
I think he was saying "oh wow", now which one do you think is more likely lol
@@thecrazyfarmboy Yeah that makes sense.
It's a huge mistake, and both the pilot and copilot didn't saw it was the wrong engine because they were too nervous, they are human after all, but in such a critical situation, it shouldn't happen. I'm not done with the video yet, but it's what I can understand.
still remember that day, people though it was CGi
What day?
@@edwardranno7119- The video of the Asia plane crossing the bridge
30:57 this is literally just like Ocean gate
I’m not sure what’s going on inside a feller that wants to be a test pilot after already having a safe and successful career as a pilot. Apparently they have to have a greater dose of adrenaline than normal flying can release.🤷🏽♂️
Where's our new season?
The way he says the word"schedule". 🤔
Sounds like a Brit who now lives on the east coast of the US
& debris (daybree).🤣
yessssss thought I was the only one that noticed it and corrected him in my mind every time! 🤣
@@bradleysitsandsipstea33 Actually, that's exactly how Brits, living in Great Britain, pronounce "schedule"...shedule. On the other hand, it's pronounced with a hard "k" in the US....skedule.
When you do things you're not supposed to and do them at the wrong time, it's always a problem. When you do it up in the sky, yo' azz iz grazz in a lawnmower. Remember, it's a long way down, and the only thing to save you from the fall is the sudden stop at the bottom.
First R.I.P all victims
Automate this step
Pilots don't practice enough in unusual situations. Some also lack common sense and how things work.
These videos scare the heck out of me. Highly trained pilots making disastrous mistakes that cost lives.
Doesn't help the captain and fo having a screaming match
What brought down that plane was a faulty oil pressure sensor not the pilots I am so sick of the NTSB blaming everything on the pilots I bet you that plane was 75 years old and want to blame the pilots I'd like to see the NTSB done anything different
Can you imagine the narrator at McDonald’s? “It’s a necessary time to order a #6 before I have s major incident” 😂😂😂
Sorry. It’s just struck me funny 😊
It's a shame the billionaires of the world don't put their money to good use instead of the silly space stuff, which will do nothing but offer a joy ride to a very small number of people. There's never been a better time to raise their taxes.
Any mechanical machine is prone to failure and any biological being is prone to mistakes we play with our lives everyday so get right with god...