STOP using SAMPLE Libraries and PRESETS!
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01:27 - 1. Find your Signature Sound!
04:00 - 2. You will ruin your creativity!
05:40 - 3. Stop Consuming! Make it yourself!
07:27 - Finally
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"...unreasonable amount of reverb and delay"
Yes!
There's a time and a place for presets. Yes... make your OWN presets as often as you can. Have four of everything: 4 bass, 4 leads, 4 pads, 4 entire drum kits. Keep expanding those, even if they are just close variation or just different effects.
But if you are hot and heavy in the creative process and you need a new sound for a new part, just go with a preset that sounds close enough. Don't get stuck trying to pick out the perfect sound or build one on the fly. Pick a preset and go. When you're writing, the fewer distractions or detours the better. When you're having trouble coming up with the next part, then you can work on sound design for what you already have.
Choice advice!
How I agree with your video! Premade sample libraries and worse "MIDI packs" are the Death of The Art..
I agree with all that has been said. Respect
i used to only make synth patches from scratch- but once i learned now i don't mind using presets. i always take off the effects and then customize further to fit the track, but a good preset just saves me time from the building blocks. still, i get your point.
Can also work like this if you know what to do. 🤖
I got interested in music producing because I wanted to make it my "own music" from the scratch. At the time when I started 25 years ago PC wasn't capable of that much.. at least normal budget PC like today. I was having problems and homeless for few years so I needed to sell every piece of gear but I invested some into reason and some 3rd party software and now I havent felt like trying to get any gear back as I can do what I like to do with this setup.. physical gear is much more fun to play with though, sometimes working with DAW really feels like work, specially when I know what I want to do and how to do it and still can't just voice-command my daw to make it for me...
Usually I start from preset or sample (in drum sounds, not much else) that is good starting point, then work it up to what I like to hear with modulation, effects and everything. Sometimes if there's something like great set-up for some sound in another track, copy that and take it to new project, ,recycle " sounds from project to another. They change unrecognizable anyway during the process.
After all I do this for my own fun, to have something new to listen to when I go to walk.. there's no expectations about what it has to be if it sounds right.
i make drums on my drum machine and bass on my norand. i fill in gaps with a lot of the rest. i use splice for atmos and vox chops. sometimes you find something really inspiring. its like the sync button, dont have to use it but its there if you wanna use it. if you know what you want to sound like you are already using the gear with the sounds it has.
I love using synths for creating my own random samples then chopping and splicing those for some great interesting sounds.
I think choosing a preset should be a starting template for sound tweaking, that is if the software or hardware allows it. If it's a fixed preset, adding FX usually helps add another feel to the sound when used in context with other gear. I have yet to adapt to sound design on analog synths and prefer to mangle samples, making them into one cycle waveforms with usual tweaking of parameters like start and end points, maybe getting a granular synth would be great for that approach. Good advice.
You are already creative! That's the most important! 👍
Filtered white noise sweep , the first nono for any track ( except when wanting to sound cheesy)
But it's a real analogue Moog Hipster Sweep!!! 🤩
@@winesynths that's a bourgeoisie-filter , if so it must be demonstrated with a volksfilter ,lol
Volksfilter is great! Made my day! 😂
using presets or libraries is like a cook giving you a burger from McDonald's ☝️😉😄
It's a matter of what you are sampling and how you work with that material. Bands like Skinny Puppy used samples during the first phase to define their signature sound.
There are samples and samples. And there is processing and processing.
Which creative artist would take some generic and boring samples from a dull techno library and build a complete track with it?
It's getting interesting when you're using recordings from real instruments, field recordings and B-Movies and process them with filters, granular effects, downsampling, bit reduction, distortion and lots of fun stuff more. Than mixing that with your sound-design from synthesizers.
Maybe that's different for the techno scene?
For me, the Sampler is still one of the most creative and interesting instruments ever made, including the Fairlight, to speak of re-synthesis also. Synplant 2 now has a wonderful feature to synthesize samples in a most creative way and most of the time the unfinished versions give the most interesting results.
Samples will always be used, either in a boring or exciting way. It's your choice.
Good video! I'm just commenting for the algorithm 😊
Great! Have a nice day! 🤖
Stimme zu! Presets and samples always feel a little "cheaty" or alien in my tracks to me. Both for melodys and sound design its of course harder to make good stuff but its totally worth it in the long run.
Back when I had the time to make music, I easily spent as much or more time making my own patches/samples as I did actually making music with them. For me, the end result was crudely made sounds mashed together for crudely made music... but at least it wasn't all presets! 😆
And it was certainly more fun! After all, I prefer this to crudely mashed together sample music! 😁
If you haven't done so already I would love to a video on studio accessibility tips. You and I aren't the only disabled musicians. So a video on studio design tips for people who have to sit down would be awesome.
Absolutely! I would really like to get in touch with other disabled musicians to work on the subject! What is the most important accessibility feature in your studio?
There's a biting irony to spending a wad of personal time wading through sample libraries.
By the time you're spent an hour doing that - you could have made two, three or even four of your own presets.
Exactly! 🤖
Great advice; I’ve only recently been exploring samples, after buying an Akai MPC. Browsing through samples does ruin my creative flow.
And you lose a lot of time! 🤖
Nothing wrong with synth presets if you use them right. I like to layer sounds. The Yamaha FB-01 has some fantastic bass presets. They sound even better layered with an analog synth bass. Today I have been playing around with a bass sequence with a bass preset on the FB-01 layered with a bass preset from the Roland Alpha Juno 1. Layering sounds is a great way to add character to your music while using synth presets. I also like to layer drum sounds. I sequence my drums on the Arturia KeyStep Pro. So it's easy to send the same drum pattern to multiple drum machines.
I use an analog mixing console. So it's really easy to mix and EQ the layers.
When you are beginner it's fine to use presets as they are. But eventually you want to get more creative and do a bit of sound design. Layer presets, modify presets, EQ presets, run presets through effects pedals. There is so much you can do without making sounds from scratch.
of course with a FB01 you can‘t edit anything without getting depressed and I was always happy to dial in the „lately bass“! Later I stepped up to TX81Z! And the first thing I would do with an Alpha is to get a decent controller like the Retroaktiv! On the JX-8P most of the time I start with Number 17, which to me is the best Preset of all times! Sound Track! 😁
Wir nutzen nur für Drums/Perc Samples. Biegen aber selbst die noch zurecht ;)
But I have thousands of samples to scroll through. Don't be a buzz kill, lol!
wait until this dude picks up a guitar and realizes it's a giant preset with strings
Samplers are probably the most useful gear in my setup
but I've never bothered to use sample packs
just create your own sounds from scratch
Samplers and audio editing in general are great creative tools! No doubt!
Excellent advice for musicians and composers, young and old alike! Wasn't the whole point of electronic music and synthesis for all of us to explore the possibilities of sound? I will always be learning and discovering new sounds. Wonderful video!
Saying you shouldn't use presets or sample libraries is like saying you shouldn't use acoustic instruments
Did you watch the video?
You are completely right, for me it is absolutely boring to browse through sample or preset libraries. But I also use Arturia‘s V Collection for sound design, not for the presets.
Totally agree! I like the V-Collection quite a lot, and it's great to use if you are not near your synths in the studio. But the first thing I do is to turn off the effects and to avoid the presets!
0:57 record labels? Do they still exist?
Kind of, sometimes... 😁
I am not sure if this is good advice. Creating your own presets and sample libraries takes large amount of time. I know this because that's what I am slowly doing.
But say that I want - for example - an electric piano-like sound. It's easier to just use existing preset than to create it from scratch. Creating good preset mimicking real instrument can be quite challenging and time consuming. Been there, done that.
Of course it‘s difficult to impossible to recreate a natural piano sound on a traditional synth. Therefore I would of course use and tweak sampled presets. Or use my Nord Stage…🤖
The Likes where at 69, I solved that issue by adding 1 ;-)
Great talk that makes us think different for a moment.
Presets are fun if you enjoy them randomly(spin the dial, count to 3, stop, commit), if you find a sound that's interesting, the intelligent fellow will peruse why, and if it isn't an interesting sound, the intelligent fellow will make it funny. The rest will give up after they have emulated that track that did so well, saturating the genre until it dies and wonder why, hahahahahah
you need to follow your own rules..
collaging is also considered art, so why are samples bad?
But you don‘t buy a book where you cut the pieces for the collage out before reassembling. Or? 🤔
@@winesynthsWarum denn nicht? Ich habe früher selbst Collagen angefertigt. Eine befreundete Künstlerin macht das noch heute ab und zu.
Viele Künstler greifen auf Zeitschriften zurück und verwenden das Material als Grundlage zur Verfremdung, indem sie bestimmte Druckverfahren anwenden. Warum sollte man dafür kein Buch zerschnippeln können? Das ist doch das schöne in der Kunst. Jede Vorlage ist nützlich, so wie das auch beim Sampling ist.
Auf die Bearbeitung und die Zusammenstellung der Einzelteile kommt es an, wenn am Ende etwas Sehens- oder Hörenswertes dabei herauskommen soll.
I used to use Acid Pro when making music, and I noticed that it really seemed to push my production into loops and presets. I like your "paint-by-numbers" analogy, very fitting. I used to think of it as playing with Legos, because I felt like I was just stacking blocks in my DAW. I've since switched to recording actual hardware in Audacity. I still have a soft spot for old breakbeat drumloops, but I like using the Polyend Tracker to chop them up and do crazy things with them. Or running them through my MS20 mini. Really, I think the main thing I've learned is if I feel like I'm in a creative rut, to stop and reevaluate and change my routine.
I'm also an old acid pro cat, and I still use it, recreationally mostly, but making a not-boring backtrack to play against is very freeing. Acid pro's workflow is simple(and yes thus limiting compared to more complex daws) but this allows you to push the limits. Who doesn't like painting 16ths of a sample in that short of time? So easy...
Have to disagree with this one.. I love designing my own sounds (and also develop my own synth plugins).. but there are countless musical hits made by bands/composers using existing presets. Think about all those 80s hits using DX7 and D50 sounds for example (where editing sounds would actually be a real pain). I'll wager most of the popular artists today are mainly using out of the box sounds with minimal tweaking (tweaking that filter knob is not exactly sound design). In the end it's the music/song that matters and presets can be an inspiration and can keep you in the flow whilst writing a song/composing. You could argue that instruments like the Minimoog, Solina string ensemble, or Rhodes Piano (to name just a few) are generally one giant preset with some variation.. does it mean we shouldn't use those? There's no rules.. just good music. (Side note - any good synth plugin with 1000s of presets will have a browser that lets you find sounds by categories.. so when you need something specific, you don't need to sit there browsing through endless patches.)
This is the other side of the medal! And also why DX7s and D50s never where my favorite synths!
I was talking about electronic sounds for techno & house productions. Not about realistic reproduction of real instruments for Retro-Rock! That’s another super interesting subject! 🤖😁
To be fair though, I didn't hear you mention in the video that this was a discussion specifically about techno/house production (which one could argue has a very specific sound that requires certain 'preset' types of sound anyway, with less scope for 'sound design' vs something like film scoring), and if you listen to contemporary pop artists (not just 'retro-rock') you will hear some pretty simple synth sounds that are very likely presets - where the tune matters more than the complexity of the sounds. I watched your videos for the discussion about synths - not techno/house - as per the channel name.
If Prodigy and other bands wouldn't use samples, we would loose om half of the music, sorry its silly advice.
Use anything that fits into your mix, sample, vst, anything.
Make music is the key
I never said not to use samples! Just make your own! 🤖
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The problem is is that if you have a tight budget, it can be really hard to spend thousands on an antique synth that gives you the specific sound you want. In that case, we aspiring artists have no other choice but to use some of those "abundant" presets.
No problem! Everybody needs to start somewhere! But often less is more! Specially for beginners. 🤖
If you're NOT making music as a hobby but as a goal to profit from it monetarily, then certainly take the time to master as many instruments as you can as that will help you to grow as an artist. Otherwise, disregard the above message as it's arrogant and hyperbolic. No music producer is going to take the time to listen to your music, anyway -- no matter how good you are--unless they think that they can use and abuse your talent for profit. Believe me, 99% of you are not that talented! And even just 1% of the 10% extraordinarily talented musicians will make a decent living if they go on the road and sell their soul to the touring industry! And even if you do get discovered and make it in the industry, there is still just a slim chance that you will ever produce a top 100 song let alone a one-hit wonder. Most of the available money goes to the big stars. That's a fact. So, dream big but don't succumb to delusions!
Sure, it's a negative view, but it's 100% accurate! There are a lot of talented musicians who never made it to the Big Time, and it wasn't that they didn't try!
But, I am an elderly hobbyist with no desire for fame or for playing on stage, I prefer the presets because they are great starting points. They inspire me to get creative with them and to make them mine. So, what if somebody made a preset, I would transform it into something better.
I don't use loops anymore unless I make them. But I love presets that fit my style. I don't have the time to design my own, nor do I have the desire to do so. I will gladly dish out my hard-earned cash for a sound that is amazing and that fits my style.
As a result, I will pit my music against anyone's self-made music. Sure, my music isn't everybody's cup of coffee or tea, but I believe that it's as good as most of the non-profession music on RUclips.
I put a lot of time, skills, and effort into my mixes to make my music entertaining and unique. But, I know that I cannot please everyone. I expect to please about 10% of those who bother to listen to my unique sound. I don't sound like anybody else, that's a fact. But, even though I only have less than 400 subscribers some of them are true fans. I can live with just a handful of people who like my music. WE have a mutual admiration society and enjoy each other's music. That's all that matters. It's impossible to please everyone so just please yourself and your friends, they are the only ones who truly count. And don't listen to nonsense from some guy who tells you not to use loops or presets--unless you want to be a professional. If not, play on and enjoy your hobby! At the end of the day if you can sleep soundly knowing that you did your best, then you have succeeded, my friend. Don't let anybody tell you different!!! Peace and cheers. BTW, I've been making music for nearly 30 years as a hobbyist. Trust me, I'm an amateur! 😎😎🎵🎵🎹🎹
Yeah! Totally agree! I made and sold techno & house music with a professional background for a long time. And my student wants to go this way and ambitions are high! So my opinion may be a bit biased. If you are just a hobbyist tweaking around without even the goal to finish tracks, do whatever makes you happy! You could even start with Eurorack to make it more difficult! 🤖
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From my experience 99 % of all synth presets are completely useless. They are full of modulation, layers and effects and impossible to fit in a mix. They may sound impressive a first but a good track needs simple sounds that are easy to control. Not sounds that fill out every corner of the frequency range.
Very good point! It starts with the choice of the synths you are using. This is why I always check new synths by producing one or two tracks before making a video. In general, synth presets are just a show to impress synth buyers on trade fairs and in music shops.
Less is more
Probably the most important rule in music production! 👍
To add to this, almost anything synthesizer-related on social media is the music equivalent of finger-painting --- learn some absolute basic music theory, guys!
Absolutely! Music theory is really helpful. There are no shortage of good RUclips videos on the subject.
Also with my „student“ I see it every day, that basic knowledge of musical theory is absolutely crucial to become a self confident producer! And it‘s really no rocket science to learn notes and chords. But it will open up a whole new universe! 🚀
@@winesynthsAbsolutely, yes.
who cares
Did you forget the question mark? If it was a question, here is the answer: The people who care.