Thanks for the video bro. I made a similar blocking plate out of metal. I used the metal pallet it was delivered on for the material. Made a paper template first, then traced it onto the sheet metal. Cut it out with a hand grinder with a thin cuttoff wheel, and drilled the hole with a very large bit. Worked perfect! Cheers 🍻
@@locksandpicks9552 Yeah, no prob. sheet metal is sturdier than a 3d plastic print. Took me 45 mins to make one out of sheet metal with basic tools. We should go into production and sell them since the safe company hasn't fixed it. Lol
Thanks for sharing this info. I don’t need to protect against major burglars, but I do want to protect against a curious teen who has access to RUclips.
RUclips somewhat unleashed the flood gates. I was very torn in releasing the bypass but once i figured out I could 3d print it I figured I'd done my due diligence. I just wish Winchester Safe's would care more about their customers. The responses I received in regards to this vulnerability were ridiculous and dismissive.
How tough was it to get the correct dimensions on the hanger? I have a family friend whose husband passed away recently and having issues accessing his since he didn’t leave the code anywhere. I am going try to this when I go over next time just curious if the difficulty of dimensions when bending the hanger
Yeah what's your email, seems winchester either saw this video or became aware of this issue and did something very similar to what you did, cuz mine has a plate exacly like you created where only the ribbin can fit through.
@@milspec8283 Oh they were given the 3d model file by me. Then they tried to trick me into admitting extortion where none was. You can reach me here: locksandpicks@gmail.com Thanks!
If they made it where you can’t open it won’t a hanger then they made it where it won’t open at all. If he keypads fail every year. $700 for the safe, $100 annually for a new keypad.
I bought a Winchester TS26-45 on 12/29/2023 from Tractor Supply Company and it doesn't have this plate but if i make a plate like this and install it you could possibly still pry out the key tumbler and activate the button
With the default tubular lock I suspect you may be correct. I don't have those kind of picks and for me the bypass was much easier than any picking, you just have to practice with it to get the feel for it.
In the vein of finding vulnerabilities in this safe (purchased a ts36-45 recently) would you happen to know if the tubular lock in these is impressionable? I'd be willing to bet it is. Lock cylinder at least looks easy to replace with something else.
I had to return mine as after 8 months because of no help from Winchester on faulty keypad. Got another new one and first day keypad won't let me change code. My cannon safe I've had to or 12 years has never given me a problem.
Let's be real here, as bad of a vulnerability as this is (not excusing Winchester), for stopping a thief who wants to get in and out of your house as fast as possible, it'll still get the job done. Unless they know what safe you own and have the ability to preplan in that regard, they will not be aware of the exploit.
I have a huge Winchester Pony that is 6ft tall 5 ft wide and 4 ft deep. Tonight when I got home from work I went to put my money in it. It's a digital dial like yours, but my hande is different with 5 prongs. When I closed my safe and turned the handle to lock it I heard something on the inside mechanism fall and now my handle doesn't work when I put in my pass code. Any ideas? 😢
Hi Cliff. It would be tough to say without having been there. If the lock mechanism fails to disengage when the pin is correctly entered then maybe the wire became damaged? What happens when you use the backup key in the center of the dial body, are you able to force it to release or is it stuck?
I never bothered to test because of what I found, kind of game over at that point. I'm hoping to do some stuff in the coming months, just have to get my truck up and running. Would be interesting to pop multiple current models to display just how bad the industry really is. We shall see.
The cost is too much... Best quote I've found is around the $190 mark and I just can't see people realisticly purchasing it. It would solve the problem but a better solution would be for Winchester Safes to fix their product line as a whole. I think I've confirmed over 3+ models now all have the same defect with the same exact bends, etc. Had I the money I'd do a whole product line demonstration. Maybe one day!
Holy crap that's not even close to the same locking mechanism in my Winchester safe. You will not get into my safe like that. My safe actually has a spring loaded secondary locking mechanism in case it's tampered with. My safe is also built heavier than that one, I guess they don't make them like they used to.
Really good informative video but in my opinion unless you keep information on Hilary Clinton in this safe you will have really hard time finding someone skilled enough to bend the wire right way and break into this safe but when it comes to junkies who are looking for easy money to support their drug addiction this safe will serve good purpose.
You are not wrong. There are many things floating in my head around this issue but when I tally it all up I do see Winchester Safes as ultimately the "bad guy" here and here is why. They are a Gun Safe Company and they pay money to license a name, Winchester. With all that is going on in this world with school shootings, etc, you would think a company like this would take the vulnerability serious, yet they don't. If you get a chance check out the article I wrote on medium about my experience with them as a customer and all the tom foolery that went on. Thank you for the comments and thoughts!
Good job securing the lock mechanism with a steel plate(?), the audio is horrible on this video... Perhaps it was deliberately left vulnerable, making it easier for the Chinese to get into it after the invasion of America commences...( sarcasm intended ) Bill... :~)
It was a temporary workaround made out of PLA. Producing it in metal costs somewhere around the $190 ballpark and that is just out the question for most folks. They accepted the risk if you read the emails, really, they knew about this flaw before selling it. That is how I read it anyways. My interpretation. Thanks for watching!
Thanks for the video bro. I made a similar blocking plate out of metal. I used the metal pallet it was delivered on for the material. Made a paper template first, then traced it onto the sheet metal. Cut it out with a hand grinder with a thin cuttoff wheel, and drilled the hole with a very large bit. Worked perfect! Cheers 🍻
Hmm. A piece of sheet metal. That could work. I like the plug aspect but that's what makes a full patch so costly. Thanks for a wonderful idea!
@@locksandpicks9552 Yeah, no prob. sheet metal is sturdier than a 3d plastic print. Took me 45 mins to make one out of sheet metal with basic tools. We should go into production and sell them since the safe company hasn't fixed it. Lol
@@GuitarLP1960 locksandpicks@gmail.com
Out here doing the Lord's work. Awesome!
Thanks for watching =)
Thanks for sharing this info. I don’t need to protect against major burglars, but I do want to protect against a curious teen who has access to RUclips.
RUclips somewhat unleashed the flood gates. I was very torn in releasing the bypass but once i figured out I could 3d print it I figured I'd done my due diligence. I just wish Winchester Safe's would care more about their customers. The responses I received in regards to this vulnerability were ridiculous and dismissive.
I mean, they could literally lock pick the key slot hole ruclips.net/video/066b165z_Qc/видео.html
@@locksandpicks9552 ruclips.net/video/066b165z_Qc/видео.html
Thank you. My POS winchester safe is now open. Your simple trick kaboom it's open lol.
How tough was it to get the correct dimensions on the hanger? I have a family friend whose husband passed away recently and having issues accessing his since he didn’t leave the code anywhere. I am going try to this when I go over next time just curious if the difficulty of dimensions when bending the hanger
@@TheDcr31686Sorry about your friends husband. Just was curious to see if you were able to utilize this vulnerability to open the safe for the widow?
I got mine about a week sgo and they have installed a plastic plate on the backside
I just bought one of these a couple weeks ago and it appears they have fix this issue. Mine has a metal plate over that area.
Would you take a picture and share?
Yeah what's your email, seems winchester either saw this video or became aware of this issue and did something very similar to what you did, cuz mine has a plate exacly like you created where only the ribbin can fit through.
@@milspec8283 Oh they were given the 3d model file by me. Then they tried to trick me into admitting extortion where none was. You can reach me here: locksandpicks@gmail.com
Thanks!
If they made it where you can’t open it won’t a hanger then they made it where it won’t open at all. If he keypads fail every year. $700 for the safe, $100 annually for a new keypad.
Did Winchester fix this issues with the newer versions?
Anyone selling made inserts or know where I can buy one to go on my Winchester ts12-30 safe?
I bought a Winchester TS26-45 on 12/29/2023 from Tractor Supply Company and it doesn't have this plate but if i make a plate like this and install it you could possibly still pry out the key tumbler and activate the button
That was a terrific video. Really nice job and I will make sure the Winchester safe I am thinking about buying has this protection.
Glad you enjoyed it David!
@@locksandpicks9552is there a way to buy one for those who don’t have a 3D printer? I would hate to sell this safe because of this flaw.
The coat hanger is the only way to open the piece of 💩 safe. Without it, it’ll cost you another $100 every year at random times for a new keypad.
@@MikeMc-512 You should have a backup key, no?
Can you tell us the dimensions of the plate, and how far the slot is from the center of the hole?
Does this work on the big model with the turn handle
I am not sure.
@@locksandpicks9552 i looked i think there is a plate on the bigger model with the 3 prong turn handle.
Would it not just be easier to lock pick the tubular key lock on the safe? Not sure how a key pad hack would work.
With the default tubular lock I suspect you may be correct. I don't have those kind of picks and for me the bypass was much easier than any picking, you just have to practice with it to get the feel for it.
Do you have a link to the insert?
In the vein of finding vulnerabilities in this safe (purchased a ts36-45 recently) would you happen to know if the tubular lock in these is impressionable? I'd be willing to bet it is. Lock cylinder at least looks easy to replace with something else.
Yes, I would recommend finding a local locksmith and bringing them the old one. They can match a nicer one for you that is plug and play.
I had to return mine as after 8 months because of no help from Winchester on faulty keypad. Got another new one and first day keypad won't let me change code. My cannon safe I've had to or 12 years has never given me a problem.
That’s a lie. You’re just slow and didn’t follow the instructions properly. Sucks that you convinced yourself that yours was fault.
Damn. I was considering a second of these TSC units
Who the fuck am I kidding? I still am…
Let's be real here, as bad of a vulnerability as this is (not excusing Winchester), for stopping a thief who wants to get in and out of your house as fast as possible, it'll still get the job done. Unless they know what safe you own and have the ability to preplan in that regard, they will not be aware of the exploit.
@@Evan2 exactly
I have a huge Winchester Pony that is 6ft tall 5 ft wide and 4 ft deep. Tonight when I got home from work I went to put my money in it. It's a digital dial like yours, but my hande is different with 5 prongs. When I closed my safe and turned the handle to lock it I heard something on the inside mechanism fall and now my handle doesn't work when I put in my pass code. Any ideas? 😢
Hi Cliff. It would be tough to say without having been there. If the lock mechanism fails to disengage when the pin is correctly entered then maybe the wire became damaged?
What happens when you use the backup key in the center of the dial body, are you able to force it to release or is it stuck?
Hi ! I m thinking about buying one . Do you know if that e lock has the same quality of cannon safes ?
I never bothered to test because of what I found, kind of game over at that point. I'm hoping to do some stuff in the coming months, just have to get my truck up and running.
Would be interesting to pop multiple current models to display just how bad the industry really is.
We shall see.
TS20-30 I got on Black Friday has a plate blocking access where the cable threads through
May I see a picture of the plate and how its mounted Deac?
Same here.
Yes but the key slot can be easily picked in 5 minutes or less
Are you willing to share the 3d file?
The link is in the info on the video.
I'm curious if jumping a pair of those wires would unlock the safe
That was going to be my initial approach vector, hack the pad. Had the bypass not been so easy I would have entertained it.
yeah, that needs to get fixed
@locksandpicks9552 this is a great video, thank you! Would you have a schematic of the bent hanger you could share ?
Thanks man. Nice of you.
Where can I purchase?
It's free on Cults3d - cults3d.com/en/3d-model/tool/lockdefender
and why couldnt you just drill through your protector plate?
You could do that of course. The point of the video was to show the bad design not make it thief proof.
@@locksandpicks9552 - fair enough
COULD YOU SEND ME THE MESSURMENTS PLEASE
I'd def be interested in a metal version. 👍
The cost is too much... Best quote I've found is around the $190 mark and I just can't see people realisticly purchasing it. It would solve the problem but a better solution would be for Winchester Safes to fix their product line as a whole.
I think I've confirmed over 3+ models now all have the same defect with the same exact bends, etc.
Had I the money I'd do a whole product line demonstration. Maybe one day!
Holy crap that's not even close to the same locking mechanism in my Winchester safe. You will not get into my safe like that. My safe actually has a spring loaded secondary locking mechanism in case it's tampered with. My safe is also built heavier than that one, I guess they don't make them like they used to.
That sounds like a much better design. Glad to hear there are some worthy models out there!
I have my safe go into theft mode I was changing the code
They patched that in the newer models.
I'm hoping to do another round of testing in the near future...
Really good informative video but in my opinion unless you keep information on Hilary Clinton in this safe you will have really hard time finding someone skilled enough to bend the wire right way and break into this safe but when it comes to junkies who are looking for easy money to support their drug addiction this safe will serve good purpose.
You are not wrong.
There are many things floating in my head around this issue but when I tally it all up I do see Winchester Safes as ultimately the "bad guy" here and here is why.
They are a Gun Safe Company and they pay money to license a name, Winchester.
With all that is going on in this world with school shootings, etc, you would think a company like this would take the vulnerability serious, yet they don't.
If you get a chance check out the article I wrote on medium about my experience with them as a customer and all the tom foolery that went on.
Thank you for the comments and thoughts!
Seems to me these safes have a lot of problems,maby not worth it
This “Gunsafe“ gets never a Europeen Resistgrade Certificate or Ranking. This poor Boltwork, thin Door. Its just a Fishcan
Good job securing the lock mechanism with a steel plate(?), the audio is horrible on this video... Perhaps it was deliberately left vulnerable, making it easier for the Chinese to get into it after the invasion of America commences...( sarcasm intended )
Bill... :~)
It was a temporary workaround made out of PLA. Producing it in metal costs somewhere around the $190 ballpark and that is just out the question for most folks.
They accepted the risk if you read the emails, really, they knew about this flaw before selling it. That is how I read it anyways. My interpretation.
Thanks for watching!
@@locksandpicks9552do you have the link to the article you wrote?
@@teelowteelow356 medium.com/@locksandpicks/an-open-letter-to-scott-sutton-ceo-of-the-olin-corporation-87099b033931
For some reason I feel like I'd rather just buy a quality safe!
well then...
im sad just bought it 30 min ago and now I seen this video smh
Right?
Fucking same lol
Mine has been nothing but trouble. Keypad works,when it wants to. Made,in China is probably why the electronics are poor.
You can buy a securam and it’ll take care of the issues. I was having issues with mine.
This is a very unnecessarily overly complicated explanation. Not good.
Barney style even.