Why would anyone wha this to buy one of those over weigh and underpowered pice of crap and then spend untold amount of money it. You still end up with a ride that’s vibrated more then a Maytag with a bowling ball in it!
Seeing as Yammi's favorite bike company is Triumph...Why don't you give us a full review of a Triumph's best selling motorcycle? They say the suspension isn't that great on it. It would be cool to see a review.
In case anyone was curious. This is a 13 inch Progressive 412. They did not mention if it was standard or heavy duty, but I’m guessing standard. Heavy duty is recommended for riders weighing 250+ or if you ride with a passenger more than 50% of the time. They both appear to be the same price.
I’m 180 pounds I’ve had them on their standards are too stiff for long rides but I bought mine like 15 years ago so maybe they made them softer .to. Up they work good
This is really cool. I believe what you guys are doing is basically why people that ride Harleys get so into them.. it’s the deep personal relationship that’s built through customization, and the pain, glory, and satisfaction of the repair process, it’s what this brand was built upon.. the reason why people that own them love them, and why the people that don’t ride them don’t understand. It’s like dating the femme fatale / hot bad girl...you know she is going to do nothing but give you headaches and ruin your fucking life, but when you’re with her and things are rad, she makes you feel good, and boy do look cool with your arm around her waist.. keep up the great work guys, and ride safe!
I have a Nightster with same shocks, really worth it and took not longer than 30 min for the whole thing. Little tips, put some blue loctite, not red one!!! Another huge change was the tires, stocks to Michelin Comando III... that was a big change in handling!!!!
"The Sportster is such a great platform for modding etc..." seems to translate to "This bike is so fundamentally broken that ANYTHING is an improvement.". I don't like to rag on any bike or brand, and I love me a cruiser, but it seems messed up that a relatively expensive machine would have so many issues.
The issues are mostly caused by motorcycle buyers honestly, they complain about ride height being too high, so Harley uses the shortest shocks they can get away with to lower the motorcycle and people still want it lower, the shocks they are putting on raises the height, thus having less people be able to flat foot the motorcycle, an important thing for most Harley riders, hence raised boots, shaved seats, shorter suspensions, there is a solution to having a better suspension at the same or similar height, but that moves the motorcycle into a higher price point. Ether that or they start using aluminum instead of steel and plastic instead of sheet metal, to cut weight on the motorcycle, but that turns off a lot of Harley buyers because it is "cheap plastic" or "cheap aluminum" thus people go elsewhere. What is Harley to do? Sell bikes at a loss or raise the price of motorcycle to match the increased price of the parts?
@@patw9175 The motorcycle was introduced in 2009 at 7,899.00, calculating for inflation that is $9,539.79 in today's dollars. The motorcycle retails for 8,999. Why should it not cost that much? What would you cut costs on to make the motorcycle cheaper? Less steel, more aluminum? thinner steel? Parts that are not as well built? Make the motorcycles overseas with cheaper labor cots and have them shipped over to the US? Where would you cut the costs? They do not bring any Motorcycles made overseas to the US. They built the factories overseas because building in the US and shipping it would make them WAY too expensive for places like India.
@@Evirthewarrior It's crazy to imagine how much inflation there's been in just the past 10 years. I just bought a used 2019 and it's been modified quite a bit already but this will be the first thing I do to the bike before I bring anyone else on it with me.
@@patw9175 That is because people have different taste. Indeed, a brand new CB650 costs less and makes a lot of more power... but maybe power is not what you ar looking for. Looking in that way people would not buy anything into more expensive brands, now I'm speaking for instance on clothes. In yhe end of the day, who buys a HD buys the brand. Another point, if you want to modify, there is no comparison between mods available for HD and other brands. The aftermarket is probably made 50% or more for HDs, and probably Sportster are 15% of it.
You rock man! I picked up a 96 Sportster and the shocks were like solid steel bars. I put some 412s on and now it's actually comfortable to ride and doesn't throw my back out!
I've been riding Sportsters since my early 20s. My 1st was a 1968 XLH. A 900cc iron cylindered sprinter. It was re envisioned as a hardtail chooper making it a true Sportster Iron.😁 FYI, I'm 6'-3" & 170 - 180 lbs. (Depends on how much "stuff" I'm full of at the time.😉) Now I'm 70 & still riding Sportsters. I don't know for sure that it was sold as a Iron but it looks like one, rides like one & runs like one. It's my around town traffic negotiator. I also have a 1200 Custom. It's my mile eating cruiser. I ride it when I'm interested in seeing what's over the next hill or around the next bend. Just my opinion here, but when you change the geometry by putting taller shocks & as 1 commenter said, a taller seat on it you're moving it out of the spectrum the Iron was designed to excel in. In short you've created a baby cruiser. 🤷🏻♂️
“Why does harley put the short suspension on there” because first the designers at harley tell the styling department how the bike should be made, then the styling department ignores them and says short shocks look better and ruin the riding dynamics. Same issue the company had with the fxr. It was designed with tall suspension, then every year it got shorter or longer depending on if the engineers or designers won the argument that year.
Agreed. Additionally, they literally market this as a beginner bike toward girls and they want it as low as possible because they’ve convinced them lower is easier and less intimidating. No self-respecting man would ever put a leg over an 883 right? Well except me....its my 2nd favorite bike when I’m not on the Ducati ;)
simple explanation: changing the sag in the rear changes the suspension geometry in the back and the front. There's now more negative rake on the chassis, which make the rake of the front forks more steep and aggressive. Trail is also reduced. Sum product: A more responsive, flickable and slightly unstable (do no confuse that with unsafe/unridable). Makes sense.
I just did a quick calculation, and if my math is correct, the rake changes to approximately 28° and the trail 3.8" instead of 4.6". Not much, but that is half way to a lot of the sport bikes.
I would be OK with that analogy if Harley gave a refund for the parts you didn't want. Harley's marketing strategy is to sell many of its motorcycles with underperforming parts, then turn around and sell you the better-performing. replacements.
@@robm2907 I worked in American factories and would like to buy an American made motorcycle one day. The Harley sales model just ticks me off, though. I am also not physically capable of doing much wrenching these days. It doesn't help that I have always preferred lightweight "standards" or naked bikes with high lean angles.
It truly is amazing how just lifting the back 2 inches can improve the geometry by so much. But it does make sense as it's changing the rake angle of the front as well! Now, if you dropped the triple tree by and inch or two up front, then it'd turn in even better!
It amazes me how people will complain about the suspension and yet Harley won’t change it. The nose of Harley is so big that they don’t see anything below it.
It doesn’t matter how premium the suspension is if it’s slammed and has no travel... they did upgrade the suspension.. you have have to lift it and get more travel...
The primary reason is that people complain about the ride height on the Harley and having an affordable option that keeps the cost at that entry point price, like on the Iron 883, they would have to use a taller suspension instead of using a piggyback system. That in-turn raises ride height, thus having less people want to buy them, because they cant flat foot the motorcycle.
@@Evirthewarrior yep. And if you want a bobber it needs to be slammed. For the looks 😅 I think in Germany it comes with 13 inch shocks stock. I don't know why it is like that. But lowered mine to 11,5 inch progressive suspension shocks. For the look btw.
Honestly the rear shock change and swapping the front end for the GXR front end makes it feel absolutely gangster. I love the 883 because it can be worked on with a basic set of tools and goes together like a Lego set with upgrades
If you want to improve it further for ride feel and flick ability get a higher flatter seat like a tallboy seat it raises the ride height further and you sit on top of the bike not in. Allowing more control and comfort for tall riders
I have a 2008 XL1200C , and the rear shocks SUCK!! I’m 6’1” and 225lb, I NEED those shocks!! I can’t afford REVO’s, and progressive seem like a great alternative to $900 shocks! Thanks for putting out this video.
Hopefully you guys take a look at the 1275 Hammer performance kit when you do the motor. It turns the Sporty into a little baby muscle bike wheelie machine.
WhiteSpider, how is the low-end engine smoothness for putt-putting around town after the 1275 upgrade? Some mods sacrifice low-end for better power at higher RPM's. How is the balance on this one? Thanks.
Came from a 2015 KTM RC390 ( a yammie fav) and just bought a 2020 iron 883. Ive done 5hr rides on both..... the 883 really isnt THAT BAD. The suspension and seat arent as bad as the internet makes it. Try riding a rc390 7hrs in one day and tell me the iron 883 is bad
Yea, this is true! When i first got my 2016 883 that was one of the first mods i thought about, everyone in the bike world always said it sucked. I adjusted it base on the manual and played around for a bit. So far, it doesnt bother me at all.
We put saddlebags on my girlfriend's Sportster, and we basically had to do all this to relocate the turn signals! Turns out you can't get that bracket they're attached to off, without also disconnecting the rear suspension. We should have got new shocks while we were at it, because that stock suspension really is god awful. Almost feels like a hardtail.
Thank you for the video. Really what I was looking for. I bought a used sportster 883 super low and after riding 120 miles, I could feel the back and knee hurt a lot because of the low height. I am definitely going to add those new shocks that will give me 2 inch of increase in riding experience.
Im pretty sure the reason why the suspension on the sportster is so bad and only has an inch of travel is because people like the slamed look theres actually people who shorten it from stock i think there insane but wht do i know
@@JayTheTapp It would have been interesting to hear about the comparison of the 11.5 vs taller shocks they ended up using. Nevertheless, the taller shocks make the handling better, and these guys value that. Yammie said it is more "playful."
I like the way those shocks look on that 883. One question: Are you going to do any modifications/upgrades to the front suspension? Higher viscosity fork oil? Different fork springs? Just curious. Thanks for the videos guys. I really enjoy them. Be well & ride safe.
if you dont like the rear suspension, just get rid of it! weld-in hardtail frames are only a little more than the 412s because who needs a spine when you look that cool amirite?
Hey, do you guys remember what was the stock suspension length and new one you got is 13? My 2019 has a 13 inch suspension which is the Tall one according to the manual. I am not sure if getting the new suspension that you guys got will make it much better. What do you think? Got a link to the one you bought?
I have 14.5 Progressive standard on my 2016 Sportster SuperLow cleared perfect and she leans on the turns. Added some hard bags and she's an adventure bike😍
Another great option is a set of take off air shocks from a road glide or street glide. I found a set from a 2016 Road Glide and put individual valves on them. The stock line system leaked which is why it was probably swapped. Even at 250lbs I can ride without it bottom out. I got a set around $100.
I just bought some from a 2016 ultra. 13inch to go on my 2000 883 hugger because I'm a bigger boy planning to ride 2 up and the stock suspension on my gramps old Sportster doesn't like me even though it's only got 4500 miles. It'll sit differently but in hoping it won't sag as bad. I wouldn't complain about more ride height anyway. My grandfather was 5'9 and had bad knees so got the short one but it's a bit low for me at 6 foot lol.
You don't have to. My understanding is that Harley corrected the suspension issue starting with the 2016 sportsters model. I have a 2015 so I had to do the upgrade.
I just upgraded to the 412s on my 14 year old Dyna. I'm pretty sure the stock shocks were toast, I would ride down our gravel road and lean back on the pack on the sissy bar and my teeth would chatter and it would even vibrate my eyes, messed with my vision LOL. I haven't had a chance to try these out yet because it just snowed a whole lot, maybe next week. But anything is better than what I had.
Can you use that bung king kit with 13's on a rubbermount without relocating the brake lines? I wanted to go with 14 shocks on my 2018 but I've read everywhere thatd be an issue.
You told us the length of the new shock was "a couple inches longer" but what length is it and what length are you replacing? You should have checked your belt adjustment after altering the rear shock operational range
I want to do this to my Harley sportster but I’m conflicted between the 13 and 15 inch shocks , was told 15 inch would be better for me because of my weight and because I want to travel on my bike so I would have like a backpack and saddlebags on the back end
The video is great, I recently bought an iron 883 2021 and I am very interested in changing the suspension and I see that the progressive option is very good. I only have a question if I should buy heavy duty or standard, I await your response
You've raised the rear, so now your pitched forward which gives a steeper front which make fro quicker turning. Take it on the highway and see if it still feels good
Joe Schmoe, Taller shocks have even been used on some factory versions of Sportsters over the years, especially the various "roadster" variants. I DO wonder how high they could go before running into problems, though. Anybody stumbled into that yet?
Another youtube channel did a bunch of videos years back where they did some basic mods, and the biggest visible change to me was the tyres that made it look ADV. (Off-road at least) I guess different suspension front and back could do the rest.
What kind of seat did you put on it? I've got a black Iron 883 and hate the look of the seat. Also, do you have any videos on modifying the sideview mirrors? Or do you recommend putting in new handlebars? Any help that you can provide would be greatly appreciated! BTW: I'm an Austinite myself but currently residing in Huntsville, AL. I miss the ol' stompin' grounds! Great to see the Texas roads again on your video!! Anyway, look forward to hearing back!!
My favorite part of this episode, the end when papa is on a knee and Spite are looking admiring the machine. One of my favorite things to do is just take in the machine cause I love it. They love it too. I relate to this riding past time.
If you want a cheaper solution you can find old air suspension shocks off of older touring bikes. Bike n bird did a great video on it. I did it with mine and it ended up being a great solution. Only cost me 65 bucks.
@@caseyjones6316 I was asking what he put on, and now it makes sense. If stock is 11", and Spite said they got about 2" more; then 13" shocks makes sense. Thanks for the help.
Don't apologize for Harley cheapness! They do not even put a lock on gascap that is bs, allso had to buy oil resavor cap with lock bc the spring loaded one popped off on highway lost oil pressure and had 2 do a 4 lane emergency stop, these 2 mods were $200, front controls $1000 installed on a brand new Mc, and of course had to spend $300 for the 412s, mirror risers $45, get less than 40mpg or 115miles on a full tank, you apologize and say it's a blank canvas, I say it's built shitty so they can get more cash out of you, allso had to buy a 1inc up 1.5inc back seat $400+ to bring Mc up to 29inc laden only good thing is it covers up that ugly ass back fender, allso a +1inc kickstand $75 so Mc won't fall over, so I put a bit over $2000 on a brand new Mc just to ride safely with a bit of comfort, stop apologizing for those assholes a mc should be a joy to ride, everytime I walk into dealer I expect them to pull a gun and empty my pockets and that friends sucks, no gascap lock they have only been on every street bike since 1980, don't apologize for there duchbagery.
"It was wallowy, a little slow and ponderous." What does that mean in regards to a motorcycle suspension? He sounds like my snooty wine friend describing a bottle of cabernet Sauvignon he didn't like. : ) I put progressive springs on the front forks and swapped out the rear stock shocks on my 70's CB750 and I can't really tell the difference. Maybe because I've only been riding 2 years and I don't really pick up on the nuances of suspensions. How do we enter to win that bike?
The big reason in this case is because the lift in the rear changed the fork and seating geometry just enough to be noticeable. That combined with the better comfort of the springs themselves... I don't doubt it was transformative. Sometimes they can't articulate that very well because they aren't all that mechanically inclined to be honest. They don't really understand why it feels different - they just know that it does.
Nice, excellent choice on those shocks. I wonder why you guys didn't invest in a set of new springs for the front? Fairly cheap and easys to do... btw, most bolts on a Harley need Loctite to keep them from rattling out ;) And if you change the ride height by a couple of inches, at least check the belt tension, better safe than sorry... Curious about the next steps, personally, I would tackle that front brake system, since stopping a bike never was a priority with Harley "designers" :p
@@rodrigosoares9025 There’s no simple answer to that question. Any (progressive) fork spring set of a reputable brand (Progressive Suspension, Wilbers, Hyperpro) will outperform the stock springs. Bonus is that it’s a fairly simple job on a sporty, no fancy tools needed. A step up would be a linear spring set, specifically for your weight and general riding style. Unlees you really know what you are doing, you best visit a suspension specialist shop. Choosing the wrong linear spring can lead to a worse result than stock. If you want to spend a fair amount more, a cartridge kit can be fitted. Adreani makes those for models 2009 and up. Same warning as with the wrong linear springs. Adjust the cartridge kit wrong, and you improved nada… I should've started with this, but if your bike has 10k+ miles of is older than 5 years, it's probably the best idea to visit a suspension shop, have the fork legs fully serviced and the best springs within you budget fitted... GL!
That will be the grand finale of my Sportster upgrades, but I am almost at that point! There are some sweet front ends out there from so many different vendors, or like you said a set of sport bike inverted forks will be sick!
I expected a higher end choice when you first announced the bike. Nice to see a "reasonable" choice, but a little disappointed y'all didn't go all out performance!
These come with such small shocks out of the factory because in the cruiser world low seat height is a coveted thing. For years they offered the 883 Low. Before many riders would “slam” their sporties. So the 883 iron comes slammed. Harley is also trying to attract women riders who are shorter and tend to lack confidence-low seat height takes care of both. The USA also has the highest percentage of foreign born residents in over 100yrs. They tend to be shorter than the natives.
Harley puts 13” rear shocks on the 883s in Europe. They definitely put shocks on the sportster that are economical. I think they have an unwritten understanding with the aftermarket. “We’ll keep putting crap parts on the bikes from stock so you guys can keep selling the upgrades to everyone who buys one “
Quick fix, and absolutely not a shit product: progressive 444's. Ultimate riding experience You literally won't believe you're on a sporty: Legend Revo A's out back Axios up front
The shocks are middle of the road on purpose. The premium shocks YOU want, for your riding style, may be very different from what another buyer needs. Guys tend to get a more sport tuned suspension, as this is their "play bike", chicks often choose a softer suspension, as this is their do it all ride. There are thousands of women that have built up their sporties specifically to ride across the country. Especially since they switched to rubber mounted engines.
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@Yammie Noob give up for India 🇮🇳 I want a bike
Don’t forget to readjust the belt tension. I did a similar shock swap and the belt was out of spec.
Finally!!
Anyway, are you going to compare it to the Indian Scout or the Victory Octane?
Why would anyone wha this to buy one of those over weigh and underpowered pice of crap and then spend untold amount of money it. You still end up with a ride that’s vibrated more then a Maytag with a bowling ball in it!
Seeing as Yammi's favorite bike company is Triumph...Why don't you give us a full review of a Triumph's best selling motorcycle? They say the suspension isn't that great on it. It would be cool to see a review.
In case anyone was curious. This is a 13 inch Progressive 412. They did not mention if it was standard or heavy duty, but I’m guessing standard. Heavy duty is recommended for riders weighing 250+ or if you ride with a passenger more than 50% of the time. They both appear to be the same price.
Thank you!!!!!
Very helpful info thanks.
and I assume the stock ones are 11"
thank you for doing something yammie didnt do in description which wouldve been nice
I’m 180 pounds I’ve had them on their standards are too stiff for long rides but I bought mine like 15 years ago so maybe they made them softer .to. Up they work good
This is really cool. I believe what you guys are doing is basically why people that ride Harleys get so into them.. it’s the deep personal relationship that’s built through customization, and the pain, glory, and satisfaction of the repair process, it’s what this brand was built upon.. the reason why people that own them love them, and why the people that don’t ride them don’t understand. It’s like dating the femme fatale / hot bad girl...you know she is going to do nothing but give you headaches and ruin your fucking life, but when you’re with her and things are rad, she makes you feel good, and boy do look cool with your arm around her waist.. keep up the great work guys, and ride safe!
I agree. Its a blank canvas. I bought my air cooled triumph bonneville for the same reason
You got it .
@@ampelec quite . An expensive blank canvas that 😂
I love toxic relationships!
Very well put lol
I have a Nightster with same shocks, really worth it and took not longer than 30 min for the whole thing.
Little tips, put some blue loctite, not red one!!!
Another huge change was the tires, stocks to Michelin Comando III... that was a big change in handling!!!!
I love my Burly Slammers Plus. When I'm on my Sportster, I'm crusing low and slow around town.
"The Sportster is such a great platform for modding etc..." seems to translate to "This bike is so fundamentally broken that ANYTHING is an improvement.". I don't like to rag on any bike or brand, and I love me a cruiser, but it seems messed up that a relatively expensive machine would have so many issues.
The issues are mostly caused by motorcycle buyers honestly, they complain about ride height being too high, so Harley uses the shortest shocks they can get away with to lower the motorcycle and people still want it lower, the shocks they are putting on raises the height, thus having less people be able to flat foot the motorcycle, an important thing for most Harley riders, hence raised boots, shaved seats, shorter suspensions, there is a solution to having a better suspension at the same or similar height, but that moves the motorcycle into a higher price point. Ether that or they start using aluminum instead of steel and plastic instead of sheet metal, to cut weight on the motorcycle, but that turns off a lot of Harley buyers because it is "cheap plastic" or "cheap aluminum" thus people go elsewhere. What is Harley to do? Sell bikes at a loss or raise the price of motorcycle to match the increased price of the parts?
If you want a slammed bobber lookin bike then there is no problem....
@@patw9175 The motorcycle was introduced in 2009 at 7,899.00, calculating for inflation that is $9,539.79 in today's dollars.
The motorcycle retails for 8,999.
Why should it not cost that much? What would you cut costs on to make the motorcycle cheaper? Less steel, more aluminum? thinner steel? Parts that are not as well built? Make the motorcycles overseas with cheaper labor cots and have them shipped over to the US? Where would you cut the costs? They do not bring any Motorcycles made overseas to the US. They built the factories overseas because building in the US and shipping it would make them WAY too expensive for places like India.
@@Evirthewarrior It's crazy to imagine how much inflation there's been in just the past 10 years. I just bought a used 2019 and it's been modified quite a bit already but this will be the first thing I do to the bike before I bring anyone else on it with me.
@@patw9175 That is because people have different taste.
Indeed, a brand new CB650 costs less and makes a lot of more power... but maybe power is not what you ar looking for. Looking in that way people would not buy anything into more expensive brands, now I'm speaking for instance on clothes. In yhe end of the day, who buys a HD buys the brand. Another point, if you want to modify, there is no comparison between mods available for HD and other brands. The aftermarket is probably made 50% or more for HDs, and probably Sportster are 15% of it.
You rock man! I picked up a 96 Sportster and the shocks were like solid steel bars. I put some 412s on and now it's actually comfortable to ride and doesn't throw my back out!
I've been riding Sportsters since my early 20s. My 1st was a 1968 XLH. A 900cc iron cylindered sprinter. It was re envisioned as a hardtail chooper making it a true Sportster Iron.😁 FYI, I'm 6'-3" & 170 - 180 lbs. (Depends on how much "stuff" I'm full of at the time.😉)
Now I'm 70 & still riding Sportsters. I don't know for sure that it was sold as a Iron but it looks like one, rides like one & runs like one. It's my around town traffic negotiator. I also have a 1200 Custom. It's my mile eating cruiser. I ride it when I'm interested in seeing what's over the next hill or around the next bend.
Just my opinion here, but when you change the geometry by putting taller shocks & as 1 commenter said, a taller seat on it you're moving it out of the spectrum the Iron was designed to excel in. In short you've created a baby cruiser. 🤷🏻♂️
“Why does harley put the short suspension on there” because first the designers at harley tell the styling department how the bike should be made, then the styling department ignores them and says short shocks look better and ruin the riding dynamics. Same issue the company had with the fxr. It was designed with tall suspension, then every year it got shorter or longer depending on if the engineers or designers won the argument that year.
Agreed. Additionally, they literally market this as a beginner bike toward girls and they want it as low as possible because they’ve convinced them lower is easier and less intimidating. No self-respecting man would ever put a leg over an 883 right? Well except me....its my 2nd favorite bike when I’m not on the Ducati ;)
simple explanation: changing the sag in the rear changes the suspension geometry in the back and the front. There's now more negative rake on the chassis, which make the rake of the front forks more steep and aggressive. Trail is also reduced. Sum product: A more responsive, flickable and slightly unstable (do no confuse that with unsafe/unridable). Makes sense.
I just did a quick calculation, and if my math is correct, the rake changes to approximately 28° and the trail 3.8" instead of 4.6". Not much, but that is half way to a lot of the sport bikes.
Cool input, guys… I didn’t realize the numbers would change that much. Thanks!
Funny this posted today since I just put these exact shocks on my exact iron yesterday. Gonna go test ride it today.
Your phone is watching you
Some people want the model already built, some people like erector sets
Shade and yam at the same time. Whaaaaaaaat.
I would be OK with that analogy if Harley gave a refund for the parts you didn't want. Harley's marketing strategy is to sell many of its motorcycles with underperforming parts, then turn around and sell you the better-performing. replacements.
@@jfess1911 then don't buy a Harley 🤷♂️
@@robm2907 I worked in American factories and would like to buy an American made motorcycle one day. The Harley sales model just ticks me off, though. I am also not physically capable of doing much wrenching these days. It doesn't help that I have always preferred lightweight "standards" or naked bikes with high lean angles.
@@jfess1911 we live in a global economy, nothing is "American made"....not even harley.
Just did 550 miles on a 1999, 883 riding 2 up and went over the Mackinac Bridge with the same progressives. It was a pretty comfy ride, had a blast.
It truly is amazing how just lifting the back 2 inches can improve the geometry by so much. But it does make sense as it's changing the rake angle of the front as well! Now, if you dropped the triple tree by and inch or two up front, then it'd turn in even better!
It amazes me how people will complain about the suspension and yet Harley won’t change it. The nose of Harley is so big that they don’t see anything below it.
They added a adjustable suspension 2016 or 2017. Pretty good. But I lowered mine 😂
It doesn’t matter how premium the suspension is if it’s slammed and has no travel... they did upgrade the suspension.. you have have to lift it and get more travel...
Whoa, cool it with the antisemetic remarks, big guy.
The primary reason is that people complain about the ride height on the Harley and having an affordable option that keeps the cost at that entry point price, like on the Iron 883, they would have to use a taller suspension instead of using a piggyback system. That in-turn raises ride height, thus having less people want to buy them, because they cant flat foot the motorcycle.
@@Evirthewarrior yep. And if you want a bobber it needs to be slammed. For the looks 😅
I think in Germany it comes with 13 inch shocks stock. I don't know why it is like that. But lowered mine to 11,5 inch progressive suspension shocks. For the look btw.
Honestly the rear shock change and swapping the front end for the GXR front end makes it feel absolutely gangster. I love the 883 because it can be worked on with a basic set of tools and goes together like a Lego set with upgrades
If you want to improve it further for ride feel and flick ability get a higher flatter seat like a tallboy seat it raises the ride height further and you sit on top of the bike not in. Allowing more control and comfort for tall riders
Never really been a cruiser guy but damn if that thing doesn't look sharp
Wicked sharp
Check out my Sporty on my channell and let me know what you think, good or bad hahaha
@@jonnymac8925 it looked good once
@@3dprinterguytbh167 it's back and better than before, luckily there was more damage done to me and the car😂
I have a 2008 XL1200C , and the rear shocks SUCK!! I’m 6’1” and 225lb, I NEED those shocks!! I can’t afford REVO’s, and progressive seem like a great alternative to $900 shocks! Thanks for putting out this video.
Dude, Sporties weren't built for us big boys. If you like the style, get a Dyna. 96ci w/ 6sp tranny can be had from 7-9k.
Hopefully you guys take a look at the 1275 Hammer performance kit when you do the motor. It turns the Sporty into a little baby muscle bike wheelie machine.
We're definitely looking into it
WhiteSpider, how is the low-end engine smoothness for putt-putting around town after the 1275 upgrade? Some mods sacrifice low-end for better power at higher RPM's. How is the balance on this one? Thanks.
that’s what I’m getting to upgrade my 883, is the 1275
Progressive fork shock springs will do wonders as well! I've done those and it's like the rear "night and day"difference
Add 35mm handlebar lifters. with progressive forks and big shocks in the back, it would be awesome
Which front springs did you use ?
Is Spite wearing a larger than usual helmet? There was a definite echo.
He needs to size up for his man bun 😆😆😆
Came from a 2015 KTM RC390 ( a yammie fav) and just bought a 2020 iron 883. Ive done 5hr rides on both..... the 883 really isnt THAT BAD. The suspension and seat arent as bad as the internet makes it. Try riding a rc390 7hrs in one day and tell me the iron 883 is bad
Yea, this is true! When i first got my 2016 883 that was one of the first mods i thought about, everyone in the bike world always said it sucked. I adjusted it base on the manual and played around for a bit. So far, it doesnt bother me at all.
Papa Yams! After 2 years of procrastination. I finally took my MSF course and got my endorsement. I should be getting my Baby Ninja 400 Saturday 🎉
We put saddlebags on my girlfriend's Sportster, and we basically had to do all this to relocate the turn signals! Turns out you can't get that bracket they're attached to off, without also disconnecting the rear suspension. We should have got new shocks while we were at it, because that stock suspension really is god awful. Almost feels like a hardtail.
I wish you would post links in the description for any parts you use. its just one of those qol things yam.
What was the height of the old shocks and what is the height of the new shocks?
Thank you for the video. Really what I was looking for. I bought a used sportster 883 super low and after riding 120 miles, I could feel the back and knee hurt a lot because of the low height. I am definitely going to add those new shocks that will give me 2 inch of increase in riding experience.
The stance looks so much cooler now compared to stock
What length are these shocks? Are they 13"?
Im pretty sure the reason why the suspension on the sportster is so bad and only has an inch of travel is because people like the slamed look theres actually people who shorten it from stock i think there insane but wht do i know
Facts
you could put an actualy good short suspension. They could have gotten the 11.5in progressive shock.
@@JayTheTapp It would have been interesting to hear about the comparison of the 11.5 vs taller shocks they ended up using. Nevertheless, the taller shocks make the handling better, and these guys value that. Yammie said it is more "playful."
The home market XL883N has 11" shocks as stock fitment, the European market XL883N has 13.5" shocks as stock fitment.
Always loved the look of these bikes.
Hey Guys, between this "Progressive" suspension and the "Burley" brand ones, which one is better?
I think "we jinxed ourself" should be replaced with "we burned our boots".
I second this.
I like the way those shocks look on that 883. One question: Are you going to do any modifications/upgrades to the front suspension? Higher viscosity fork oil? Different fork springs? Just curious. Thanks for the videos guys. I really enjoy them. Be well & ride safe.
if you dont like the rear suspension, just get rid of it! weld-in hardtail frames are only a little more than the 412s because who needs a spine when you look that cool amirite?
Yea..who gives a sh$# about your feet being numb for the rest of your life when you can look sooo cool bruh draggin' your butt down the street.
A busa won't bottom out!
It’ll bottom up though
Busa Boy Paint and Rear Stretch Swing Arm = Rock Bottom
Challenge accepted. I just need to get a Busa.
Two different worlds kids , play nice...
@@robertbelote5273 I find the weird mod Busa's interesting but would not have one.
Nice video! Just purchased these shocks last night before finding your video. Looks like a made a good choice for the $$$.
Hey, do you guys remember what was the stock suspension length and new one you got is 13? My 2019 has a 13 inch suspension which is the Tall one according to the manual. I am not sure if getting the new suspension that you guys got will make it much better. What do you think? Got a link to the one you bought?
I have 14.5 Progressive standard on my 2016 Sportster SuperLow cleared perfect and she leans on the turns. Added some hard bags and she's an adventure bike😍
What about the forks?
Another great option is a set of take off air shocks from a road glide or street glide. I found a set from a 2016 Road Glide and put individual valves on them. The stock line system leaked which is why it was probably swapped. Even at 250lbs I can ride without it bottom out. I got a set around $100.
That’s what I was thinking would be good also.
I just bought some from a 2016 ultra. 13inch to go on my 2000 883 hugger because I'm a bigger boy planning to ride 2 up and the stock suspension on my gramps old Sportster doesn't like me even though it's only got 4500 miles. It'll sit differently but in hoping it won't sag as bad. I wouldn't complain about more ride height anyway. My grandfather was 5'9 and had bad knees so got the short one but it's a bit low for me at 6 foot lol.
I have a 2021 883, and I have not had any issues with the suspension yet but I will definitely look for better suspension if I need it it.
You don't have to. My understanding is that Harley corrected the suspension issue starting with the 2016 sportsters model. I have a 2015 so I had to do the upgrade.
@jeremys7479 Did you end up getting the shocks? How did you like them?
I just upgraded to the 412s on my 14 year old Dyna. I'm pretty sure the stock shocks were toast, I would ride down our gravel road and lean back on the pack on the sissy bar and my teeth would chatter and it would even vibrate my eyes, messed with my vision LOL. I haven't had a chance to try these out yet because it just snowed a whole lot, maybe next week. But anything is better than what I had.
13" shocks are the stock suspension in Europe. I personaly put 11 75" progressive shocks on mine, much better look and as comfortable as 13.
Interesting. What shocks did you put?
If you still wanna get more ground clearance look at the Bung King lift kit, got me like another inch and a half of ground clearance 11/10
I gave him one, wonder if he’ll use it
Can you use that bung king kit with 13's on a rubbermount without relocating the brake lines? I wanted to go with 14 shocks on my 2018 but I've read everywhere thatd be an issue.
Rob M is it a “abs” problem?
Rob M rubber mount shocks? Idk what all that means for most applications it bolts right on to the swingarm
@@DuartesGarage rubbermount swingarm. Newer years with it got things like brake lines moved to where so say it causes interference after 13.5 inches.
You told us the length of the new shock was "a couple inches longer" but what length is it and what length are you replacing? You should have checked your belt adjustment after altering the rear shock operational range
I just got Legend Revo A's for my 2019 883 and... man!! it was a game changer as far as handling. feels like a different bike
I want to do this to my Harley sportster but I’m conflicted between the 13 and 15 inch shocks , was told 15 inch would be better for me because of my weight and because I want to travel on my bike so I would have like a backpack and saddlebags on the back end
The video is great, I recently bought an iron 883 2021 and I am very interested in changing the suspension and I see that the progressive option is very good. I only have a question if I should buy heavy duty or standard, I await your response
What did you get in the end ?
You've raised the rear, so now your pitched forward which gives a steeper front which make fro quicker turning. Take it on the highway and see if it still feels good
It should. Mine does with 14” it’s fine up to like 130 then idk cause it runs outta revs I think a stock 883 can only do like 100mph anyway.
@@caseyjones6316 130?? Whoa!
Joe Schmoe still slow lol
Joe Schmoe, Taller shocks have even been used on some factory versions of Sportsters over the years, especially the various "roadster" variants. I DO wonder how high they could go before running into problems, though. Anybody stumbled into that yet?
Need to see this turned into an ADV bike or scrambler or else I will never be satisfied
Another youtube channel did a bunch of videos years back where they did some basic mods, and the biggest visible change to me was the tyres that made it look ADV. (Off-road at least) I guess different suspension front and back could do the rest.
What kind of seat did you put on it? I've got a black Iron 883 and hate the look of the seat. Also, do you have any videos on modifying the sideview mirrors? Or do you recommend putting in new handlebars? Any help that you can provide would be greatly appreciated! BTW: I'm an Austinite myself but currently residing in Huntsville, AL. I miss the ol' stompin' grounds! Great to see the Texas roads again on your video!! Anyway, look forward to hearing back!!
My favorite part of this episode, the end when papa is on a knee and Spite are looking admiring the machine. One of my favorite things to do is just take in the machine cause I love it. They love it too. I relate to this riding past time.
Looks awesome! What's that rear shock length? 13"? 12"?
How do you fix its massive weight, lack of power, excessive vibration, poor brakes and horrible exhaust note?
If you want a cheaper solution you can find old air suspension shocks off of older touring bikes. Bike n bird did a great video on it. I did it with mine and it ended up being a great solution. Only cost me 65 bucks.
So, just a general curiosity question: what size 412 shock did you get 11", 11-1/2", 12", 12-1/2" or 13"? I like how the 883 looks now.
13”
@@caseyjones6316 Are you sure? I'm not that familiar with the stock 883 suspension.
James Bongiovanni oh stock is 11” my bad I thought you were asking what he put
@@caseyjones6316 I was asking what he put on, and now it makes sense. If stock is 11", and Spite said they got about 2" more; then 13" shocks makes sense. Thanks for the help.
I will convert to a harley simp if you guys start shipping the giveaway bikes to australia
yup, they should ship out to down under
100 percent haha
do you need to check the belt tension after putting on new shocks?
Yeah
Don't apologize for Harley cheapness! They do not even put a lock on gascap that is bs, allso had to buy oil resavor cap with lock bc the spring loaded one popped off on highway lost oil pressure and had 2 do a 4 lane emergency stop, these 2 mods were $200, front controls $1000 installed on a brand new Mc, and of course had to spend $300 for the 412s, mirror risers $45, get less than 40mpg or 115miles on a full tank, you apologize and say it's a blank canvas, I say it's built shitty so they can get more cash out of you, allso had to buy a 1inc up 1.5inc back seat $400+ to bring Mc up to 29inc laden only good thing is it covers up that ugly ass back fender, allso a +1inc kickstand $75 so Mc won't fall over, so I put a bit over $2000 on a brand new Mc just to ride safely with a bit of comfort, stop apologizing for those assholes a mc should be a joy to ride, everytime I walk into dealer I expect them to pull a gun and empty my pockets and that friends sucks, no gascap lock they have only been on every street bike since 1980, don't apologize for there duchbagery.
Why don't they put good ones in the first place?
"It was wallowy, a little slow and ponderous." What does that mean in regards to a motorcycle suspension? He sounds like my snooty wine friend describing a bottle of cabernet Sauvignon he didn't like. : ) I put progressive springs on the front forks and swapped out the rear stock shocks on my 70's CB750 and I can't really tell the difference. Maybe because I've only been riding 2 years and I don't really pick up on the nuances of suspensions. How do we enter to win that bike?
The big reason in this case is because the lift in the rear changed the fork and seating geometry just enough to be noticeable. That combined with the better comfort of the springs themselves... I don't doubt it was transformative. Sometimes they can't articulate that very well because they aren't all that mechanically inclined to be honest. They don't really understand why it feels different - they just know that it does.
Good video guys. You should be using loctight though.
Nice, excellent choice on those shocks. I wonder why you guys didn't invest in a set of new springs for the front? Fairly cheap and easys to do... btw, most bolts on a Harley need Loctite to keep them from rattling out ;) And if you change the ride height by a couple of inches, at least check the belt tension, better safe than sorry... Curious about the next steps, personally, I would tackle that front brake system, since stopping a bike never was a priority with Harley "designers" :p
I'm thinking about improving the front suspension of my 883. What do you recommend?
@@rodrigosoares9025 There’s no simple answer to that question. Any (progressive) fork spring set of a reputable brand (Progressive Suspension, Wilbers, Hyperpro) will outperform the stock springs. Bonus is that it’s a fairly simple job on a sporty, no fancy tools needed. A step up would be a linear spring set, specifically for your weight and general riding style. Unlees you really know what you are doing, you best visit a suspension specialist shop. Choosing the wrong linear spring can lead to a worse result than stock. If you want to spend a fair amount more, a cartridge kit can be fitted. Adreani makes those for models 2009 and up. Same warning as with the wrong linear springs. Adjust the cartridge kit wrong, and you improved nada…
I should've started with this, but if your bike has 10k+ miles of is older than 5 years, it's probably the best idea to visit a suspension shop, have the fork legs fully serviced and the best springs within you budget fitted... GL!
Good advice. I’m new to the party. Let’s go!
When are you guys going to do the GSXR inverted front fork mod to the Harley?
That will be the grand finale of my Sportster upgrades, but I am almost at that point! There are some sweet front ends out there from so many different vendors, or like you said a set of sport bike inverted forks will be sick!
The Roadster did come w/ it...before they cancelled it.
It's pretty cheap!
Cries in XR1200, as the parts are insanely more expensive...
Does anyone know which size 412's they used and were they standard or heavy duty? Thanks
I put road king air shocks on my sportster I got used for 40 bucks. Best thing I ever did
I wanted to lower my bike so I put honda rebal shocks on it that I picked up for 40 bucks. It lowered by two inches and I still got 3 inch clearance.
Is there a part number please ?? Also how much did it raise the bike?? cause I’m only 5’7 thanks
Big fan from India ❤️
What if I have the lowering brackets? Will these shocks make it feel better but, with a lowered stance?
You didnt mention did you guys go with the 13s?
I got a 2010 FXD Super Glide and the first mod was a set of $800 Ohlins, rides like a Cadillac.
I expected a higher end choice when you first announced the bike. Nice to see a "reasonable" choice, but a little disappointed y'all didn't go all out performance!
The #1 garbage component shared by every brand of motorcycle I've owned (Honda,BMW,Yamaha) has been rear shock IMHO.
I Harley 883L sportster, where can get one of these?
What suspension was used and could it be put on a hd street 500?
The same one in this video
What size did you use? Standard or heavy duty??
How much travel does that provide?
Is there a link to where to buy those shocks?
You should put a link to the parts you install on bikes.
No view of the jack as it actually is engaging the frame rails. That would've been key to see as you described the rails.
Gotta do that stage 4 engine upgrade.😁😁🤔🤔🤫🦧
Why did you guys go with the 13 vs the 14 or 15?
does this rear suspension issue apply to the sportster 48 as well? i'm hopefully grabbing one this weekend, a 2017.
They’re all a little lacking stock
It applies to every Harley coming out of the factory.
thank you for the feedback.
My '18 XL1200XS has garbage rear shocks. I'm literally switching between RUclips and internet trying to decide.
when you rise the back it changes the rake on the front end so it turnes quicker
Are the 1200s 47.5 ft lb aswell,?
These come with such small shocks out of the factory because in the cruiser world low seat height is a coveted thing. For years they offered the 883 Low. Before many riders would “slam” their sporties. So the 883 iron comes slammed. Harley is also trying to attract women riders who are shorter and tend to lack confidence-low seat height takes care of both. The USA also has the highest percentage of foreign born residents in over 100yrs. They tend to be shorter than the natives.
Would this suspension work for a rider at around 280 to 300
Is that the harbor freight motorcycle lift?
By new suspension, you mean shocks and gxr front end?
Harley puts 13” rear shocks on the 883s in Europe.
They definitely put shocks on the sportster that are economical. I think they have an unwritten understanding with the aftermarket. “We’ll keep putting crap parts on the bikes from stock so you guys can keep selling the upgrades to everyone who buys one “
I like it when you guys do wrenching videos
What model of the 4-12s did you install?
What di you guys suggest for a 2005 Harley Sportster 1200 Custom? I have the same problem with the bottoming out and it hurts.
Quick fix, and absolutely not a shit product: progressive 444's.
Ultimate riding experience
You literally won't believe you're on a sporty: Legend
Revo A's out back
Axios up front
What’s the link to those shocks
Oh no, don’t get stuck behind yet another Lexus or Mercedes on City Park...
Why wouldn't the just not put a decent set of shocks on it from the factory
The shocks are middle of the road on purpose. The premium shocks YOU want, for your riding style, may be very different from what another buyer needs.
Guys tend to get a more sport tuned suspension, as this is their "play bike", chicks often choose a softer suspension, as this is their do it all ride.
There are thousands of women that have built up their sporties specifically to ride across the country. Especially since they switched to rubber mounted engines.