So glad RUclips suggested your channel, I have been using FSD Beta in Chicago for about 9 months. It is so satisfying to see someone with the same experience that I have. SO many other FSD channels have a far better experience than I have. The inability to creep to the center of the intersection on a Left turn is maddening. I have been driving for 40 years, and I have always said that at least 3 cars need to make the left on an unprotected left turn at a signaled intersection. I can't believe how much of the same anxiety i feel when I am "bothering" other drivers i felt while watching your videos. Thanks
Waymo and Cruise are not remote controllable. I'm not entirely sure what monitoring Cruise has, but Waymo vehicles are not typically monitored. A customer can call in for assistance, or if the vehicle is unsure about how to handle a particular situation, it can "phone a friend" to ask for advice, and in these situations, an assistant can monitor to see what's happening and tell the car where it should go. There is no functionality for allowing an operator to take remote control of the vehicles.
I really appreciate your videos and covering the good and bad. I have fairly regular occurrences with FSD almost hitting other cars like at 8:15. I do not understand why some other youtubers have so little incidences, but I assume it is because they do not test in more complex chaotic environments. So I am very happy you do.
Completely agree on FSD needing to move into the intersections you were driving but in suburbia one of the biggest problems with FSD is moving into intersections when there is a long line of cars opposite you. The result is FSD goes into the intersection only to get stranded. Happens all the time if I don't either stop FSD from going into the intersection or using the accelerator to push FSD thru when there is the slightest opening. Difficult solution for Tesla.
Why is it difficult? In the situations we saw in the video the system or we humans could clearly see that there is enough free space in the middle or bit ahead of the intersecion for at least one car, even if you would stay blocked there for some moments, the traffic behind you and on your side could easily pass you because the intersection is big enough. It's a software which is able to detect and measure geometric patterns of the surrounding, so it can easily detect if it fits into an open space or not. But the programming is somehow incapable of doing it. It looks to me as if Beta in not understanding the basic functions of an intersection, I mean it's not predicting all the paths of the other soon coming cars within the intersection, as we humans do and then say "we fit there and do not obstruct the others anyway". But why is the Tesla team not doing such steps?
@@mattesrocket You answered why it's difficult. Yes, in this video you can see there is enough free space but many times it is clear too many cars are coming at you from the opposite side to conclude FSD will make it thru without getting stranded in the middle of the intersection. When I see more then 2 or 3 cars I'll stay back before moving into the intersection. Tesla needs to improve how FSD handles this problem . Plus when intersections are small getting stranded means blocking other traffic. I'm not saying FSD won't be able to solve this just that it's a significant problem where I live.
27:40 trick: as the lights turn green, the car should do a little move forward in any case to signal the following cars that the driver has seen the light change and is aware of the situation. that will reduce honking a lot. (or release the braking lights)
I think the reason it slowed down most of the time was near someone with their hazard lights on, being parked. And if the camera only sees the left side blinkers due to the right side being occluded, it'll think the car is going out into your lane.
Going out in intersections on green as far as possible is indispensable for minimizing wait-time and stress for you and others. In Europe you would wait eternally if you didn’t do it. By the way your so called rush hour traffic is relaxed traffic for Europeans. Beside that, FSD seems to cope quite well and safe. Merging at the end of a merge-lane is what is wanted in Europe. Don’t know if a blinker is needed, because it is obvious that traffic has to merge. So for me the merge was a success.
When it's at it's best it's impressive, but timidity does not work in urban traffic. Since when are you supposed to wait AT ALL at the crosswalk for a left turn when you have a green light?
@11:23 was it supposed to wait at that redlight? looks like the cars in the other direction were also stopped for the light, doesn't seem like car was supposed to go there
I have been using my 3 to drive uber in the city of chicago and I conclude the same as you that it does NOT work in the city and it will take a lot faster computer and a neural network with a lot more neurons to be any good in the city.
Good tests. Surprising it wanted to collide with another car. 17:33 Interesting it went around a car that didn't indicate right, it knew it was going right anyway which is pretty neat. 24:10 cheeky it tries to overtake a turn lane :) 26:43 it didn't seem onboard with dual turn lane. Nice that you have rear view video. This is just a sub version update so unlikely to have major lasting improvements. Regarding merges, it's actually possible to have impossible situations that even a human couldn't solve, that's kind of a problem in road system design so a policy for semi impossible situations will be needed as well.
first: great video! 6:25 it's stopping for no reason, it should go all ahead near the light beige pedestrian on the other side of the street and waiting there wouldn't be in the way of anyone but you say at 6:43 "I am doing the right thing", why? Blocking the traffic for no reason is not right because there appear enough gaps between the many pedestrians to go through - well not, if you have an approach distance of almost 100 m. I don't know what is so difficult for Beta to not just cross the street and wait beside the path of the pedestrians, it's simple geometry, working already for a while now with "Chucks unprotected left" and stopping in the intermedian, so that here is also the intermedian, just with the difference, that the point is not traffic coming from the right but pedestrians going parallel to you on the left. Should be easy to analyse this situation as a usual "big crossing with pedestrians at this and that spots".
Thanks Mattesrocket! I would agree- In that moment (6:43), I felt that approaching those pedestrians might make them feel uncomfortable, and it seems wrong to find a small gap between pedestrians and speed through it. It’s a very wide intersection to traverse. In general, for these large approach distances, I agree, the vehicle should go into the middle and wait there as quickly as possible.
Thanks for this.If you get the chance, please repeat this in a winter evening rush hour with much less sun light and salt obscuring the lane markings....FSD will be solved if it can handle this type of scenario without interventions...
12:04 I think the black BMW might have scared the beta a little bit. If you rewatch and check the Tesla screen. The BMW was highlighted in blue. I hope this make you understand the situation a little bit better. Btw I love your videos and watch them as soon as a new one is uploaded. 😀 Edit: Also have you make any videos in Fremont CA, SFO, or anywhere in the bay area (CA). I would enjoy watching a FSD drive video with the latest version around the bay area. (PS: I do realize this might be a hard for you to do, but if you do for any reason, I would love to see it)
I believe that Waymo and Cruise have far fewer videos to accurately compare smoothness in congested situations. In fact, they are more likely to take “easier paths” compared to Tesla in places like San Francisco. But I agree that FSD still has far to go. I live in a heavily congested suburb outside of Chicago, and while it has gotten much better, it still makes mistakes. We have heavy traffic much or the day, but we don’t have many pedestrians, bikes, scooters and double parkers making it much easier to navigate down here. I think Dojo is the answer. 😬🤞
I laughed when you said it couldn't get more complicated. Try Brooklyn NY. FSD gets brought to its knees. Cruise has been revealed as remote assisted driving at all times. Ridiculous.
It seems fsd team has reached the limits of what fsd can do with the current hardware and software logic as the progress has basically stalled over the past few releases and zero improvemnts on challenging issues like detours, u turns, and complex roundabouts.
Very good test drive. Tesla fsd is inevitably to behave like a very careful, timid driver as if it does not, for any possible small accidents, people will blame the fsd. To make the fsd behave like human drivers, the fsd needs to honk at slow-moving car in front of it. 😅
Thanks for your feedback. If you know any good sites for royalty free music, let me know, I’m always keeping an eye open for new music that doesn’t get hit by copyright RUclips enforcement.
It has to improve with a mode that is like assertive++ - but I don't think you can say it can easily swipe a car - as Tesla FSD is built not to swipe any car, ever. Its important to understand you don't need to make it drive like you and treat that like an issue - it will always drive slower as safety is imperative. Success is FSD being safe and being approved, it will gradually become more assertive - but safety is the target. FSD will make up time in your productivity where you can work while it drives. Also in the future when Teslas are 50%+ of cars on the road, each Tesla will know what the other Tesla is doing and they can by hyper-assertive with that knowledge.
It honestly seems like 90% of the problems arise because you are confusing the car. Constantly changing the way points and destinations. You're really putting it to its limits which is great, but when it's constantly confused on where you want it to go I think gives inaccurate test results.
Tesla should deploy a team to watch these software testing videos so that they know how and where to fix and improve it on and properly communicate with the software and engineering teams
The Tesla is just being cautious throughout your drive. There are always A-Holes that are so damn impatient, especially in big cities like Chicago. That is why even me as a human do not like to go into Chicago. I live in Elgin which is bad enough with other humans. It depends on what time of day you do your testing with FSD. Morning and Evening Rush hours are probably ridiculous with other human drivers. Even the walking people do not obey the intersections which makes FSD driving a problem because the system is very cautious. But it is better to be too cautious than try to Ram the vehicle through the situation. I like that the FSD is that cautious before it moves. I would still be on pins and needles using FSD in Chicago or any very large city. I am getting my 2023 Model Y long range in a week or two, so it should be fun to drive. Thanks for the video and take care.
if someone like a Beta Tesla blocks the road for NO reason and because of this you miss a green light although you were the second in the line at the red light, then you are not the damn impatient A-ho.. but the Tesla driver who says "we test a not propperly working software and don't care if people loose their time for no reason".
Elon, when, finally, you stop changing lanes in the middle of intersections? Or can't Beta detect reliably intersections? @almost crashed at 8:14 for an useless lane change
Is this how are you supposed to drive in Chicago? Constantly trying to run over pedestrians? Because that's what are you suggesting with your pedal presses.
not overrunning but using the free space up to the spot where the pedestrians actually walk. That like this in every big city in the world. There is not much space so go close to the pedestrians but surely not too close. (And mind that at wide angled cameras it looks maybe more dangerous than it is.)
😳 It may have ran one red light, but not two. The yellow light time is proven to be reduced in Chicago downtown compared to other areas. It’s possible that it didn’t account for that. Thanks for watching!
@@techgeektesla It ran more than two. You didnt notice and were praising the car. . Because the yellow light time is reduced does not excuse the car for just running reds. You need to pay more attention.
So glad RUclips suggested your channel, I have been using FSD Beta in Chicago for about 9 months. It is so satisfying to see someone with the same experience that I have. SO many other FSD channels have a far better experience than I have. The inability to creep to the center of the intersection on a Left turn is maddening. I have been driving for 40 years, and I have always said that at least 3 cars need to make the left on an unprotected left turn at a signaled intersection. I can't believe how much of the same anxiety i feel when I am "bothering" other drivers i felt while watching your videos. Thanks
I’m also happy to hear about your similar experiences in Chicago. Thanks for watching and commenting.
I always enjoy your unbiased commentary...thank you!
Thanks for your comment!
I admire your honesty. You tell it, like it is. 👍
5:22 and it just runs a red light?! And then it gets applauded for how it handled that, lol
Thank you!! Some else noticed too
Waymo and Cruise are not remote controllable. I'm not entirely sure what monitoring Cruise has, but Waymo vehicles are not typically monitored. A customer can call in for assistance, or if the vehicle is unsure about how to handle a particular situation, it can "phone a friend" to ask for advice, and in these situations, an assistant can monitor to see what's happening and tell the car where it should go. There is no functionality for allowing an operator to take remote control of the vehicles.
Thanks for clarifying this!
Here for the objectivity no filter. This is all too familiar and why I’m using fsd less and less. Not a relaxing drive yet. Can’t wait for v12
I really appreciate your videos and covering the good and bad. I have fairly regular occurrences with FSD almost hitting other cars like at 8:15. I do not understand why some other youtubers have so little incidences, but I assume it is because they do not test in more complex chaotic environments. So I am very happy you do.
Completely agree on FSD needing to move into the intersections you were driving but in suburbia one of the biggest problems with FSD is moving into intersections when there is a long line of cars opposite you. The result is FSD goes into the intersection only to get stranded. Happens all the time if I don't either stop FSD from going into the intersection or using the accelerator to push FSD thru when there is the slightest opening. Difficult solution for Tesla.
Why is it difficult? In the situations we saw in the video the system or we humans could clearly see that there is enough free space in the middle or bit ahead of the intersecion for at least one car, even if you would stay blocked there for some moments, the traffic behind you and on your side could easily pass you because the intersection is big enough. It's a software which is able to detect and measure geometric patterns of the surrounding, so it can easily detect if it fits into an open space or not. But the programming is somehow incapable of doing it. It looks to me as if Beta in not understanding the basic functions of an intersection, I mean it's not predicting all the paths of the other soon coming cars within the intersection, as we humans do and then say "we fit there and do not obstruct the others anyway". But why is the Tesla team not doing such steps?
@@mattesrocket You answered why it's difficult. Yes, in this video you can see there is enough free space but many times it is clear too many cars are coming at you from the opposite side to conclude FSD will make it thru without getting stranded in the middle of the intersection. When I see more then 2 or 3 cars I'll stay back before moving into the intersection. Tesla needs to improve how FSD handles this problem . Plus when intersections are small getting stranded means blocking other traffic. I'm not saying FSD won't be able to solve this just that it's a significant problem where I live.
Good grief, what a mess
27:40 trick: as the lights turn green, the car should do a little move forward in any case to signal the following cars that the driver has seen the light change and is aware of the situation. that will reduce honking a lot. (or release the braking lights)
I'm sure he will relay this information to Elon. Thanks
13:53 I think it was just giving extra room to the pedestrian crossing the street and not trying to change lanes.
Great observation - You're right! I didn't even catch that, even after watching it so many times. =D
I think the reason it slowed down most of the time was near someone with their hazard lights on, being parked. And if the camera only sees the left side blinkers due to the right side being occluded, it'll think the car is going out into your lane.
@5:23 , most ironic part of video. "(FSD) has too much hesitation" literally as the car runs a red light!
I can’t watch🙈 Great test drive route!
Your fsd videos are the best
Going out in intersections on green as far as possible is indispensable for minimizing wait-time and stress for you and others.
In Europe you would wait eternally if you didn’t do it.
By the way your so called rush hour traffic is relaxed traffic for Europeans. Beside that, FSD seems to cope quite well and safe.
Merging at the end of a merge-lane is what is wanted in Europe. Don’t know if a blinker is needed, because it is obvious that traffic has to merge.
So for me the merge was a success.
Als Wiener kann ich da auch nichts Stressiges erkennen 😜
it's about time they made a self-driving video in Chicago👍
Really good content and commentary. Thanks. 11.4.4 here-some braking and lane choice and changes Buy basic driving is good…
Very thorough and honest FSD review.
Thank you 🙏
love the editing. having the rearview mirror view up there really adds a lot. great job!
Thank you! You don’t want to know how long this video took me to edit. 😳
How are you recording the internal display?
I have HDMI output - it's a modified screen - You can get from Adam Urban on Twitter. Contact him @aimfulwandering if you're interested
@@techgeektesla Thx! Just DMed him.
Progress over time seems to really be slowing. Worried for FSD.
Wow, downtown Chi still a loooot to go. Thank you for your service!
Thank you! 🙏
3:12 It was slowing down because somebody opened a door
Whoa! 🤯 Nice eye. I didn’t even notice that. Amazing that you found that!!
When it's at it's best it's impressive, but timidity does not work in urban traffic. Since when are you supposed to wait AT ALL at the crosswalk for a left turn when you have a green light?
@11:23 was it supposed to wait at that redlight? looks like the cars in the other direction were also stopped for the light, doesn't seem like car was supposed to go there
I have been using my 3 to drive uber in the city of chicago and I conclude the same as you that it does NOT work in the city and it will take a lot faster computer and a neural network with a lot more neurons to be any good in the city.
I'm still at 11.3.6 but it seems to be pretty stable. The only glitch I have it slows down when passing someone on a narrow road.
Good tests. Surprising it wanted to collide with another car. 17:33 Interesting it went around a car that didn't indicate right, it knew it was going right anyway which is pretty neat. 24:10 cheeky it tries to overtake a turn lane :) 26:43 it didn't seem onboard with dual turn lane. Nice that you have rear view video. This is just a sub version update so unlikely to have major lasting improvements. Regarding merges, it's actually possible to have impossible situations that even a human couldn't solve, that's kind of a problem in road system design so a policy for semi impossible situations will be needed as well.
Great comments and spot on!!!!
11:25 does it run the light there?
Sure looks like it did.
Cant wait to see the NN rewrite and DOJO tacking training in these areas.
first: great video!
6:25 it's stopping for no reason, it should go all ahead near the light beige pedestrian on the other side of the street and waiting there wouldn't be in the way of anyone but you say at 6:43 "I am doing the right thing", why? Blocking the traffic for no reason is not right because there appear enough gaps between the many pedestrians to go through - well not, if you have an approach distance of almost 100 m. I don't know what is so difficult for Beta to not just cross the street and wait beside the path of the pedestrians, it's simple geometry, working already for a while now with "Chucks unprotected left" and stopping in the intermedian, so that here is also the intermedian, just with the difference, that the point is not traffic coming from the right but pedestrians going parallel to you on the left. Should be easy to analyse this situation as a usual "big crossing with pedestrians at this and that spots".
Thanks Mattesrocket! I would agree- In that moment (6:43), I felt that approaching those pedestrians might make them feel uncomfortable, and it seems wrong to find a small gap between pedestrians and speed through it. It’s a very wide intersection to traverse. In general, for these large approach distances, I agree, the vehicle should go into the middle and wait there as quickly as possible.
An excellent driver aid but nowhere near level 4/5 unfortunately.
"Cannot get more complicated than this...." ... indian traffic will be the ultimate challenge...
When using mine in park ridge it fails at wide lanes, stop signs, speed signs, and more
So it drives like a scared shitless first time driver.
Thanks for this.If you get the chance, please repeat this in a winter evening rush hour with much less sun light and salt obscuring the lane markings....FSD will be solved if it can handle this type of scenario without interventions...
🥰😍🤩❤💯💢💥💫👍I Love Your Videos Thank You for posting 🙂
12:04 I think the black BMW might have scared the beta a little bit. If you rewatch and check the Tesla screen. The BMW was highlighted in blue. I hope this make you understand the situation a little bit better. Btw I love your videos and watch them as soon as a new one is uploaded. 😀
Edit: Also have you make any videos in Fremont CA, SFO, or anywhere in the bay area (CA). I would enjoy watching a FSD drive video with the latest version around the bay area. (PS: I do realize this might be a hard for you to do, but if you do for any reason, I would love to see it)
Would love to get over there! I may be able to make that trip possible with some extra planning in the future. ☺️
Seems like you blew through couple of red lights.
11:13 one of them intended to go around you in front of the car.
@ 11:33 did FSD really just run that red?😂
Didn't the other car just cut in your lane?
I believe that Waymo and Cruise have far fewer videos to accurately compare smoothness in congested situations. In fact, they are more likely to take “easier paths” compared to Tesla in places like San Francisco. But I agree that FSD still has far to go. I live in a heavily congested suburb outside of Chicago, and while it has gotten much better, it still makes mistakes. We have heavy traffic much or the day, but we don’t have many pedestrians, bikes, scooters and double parkers making it much easier to navigate down here. I think Dojo is the answer. 😬🤞
I laughed when you said it couldn't get more complicated. Try Brooklyn NY. FSD gets brought to its knees. Cruise has been revealed as remote assisted driving at all times. Ridiculous.
thank you for your video. i am japanese. in japan, we can't use fsd beta.
i want to see good improvement in ver12.
3:32 radar doesnt see dogs. kids can be that size. only sees the adult man walking them.
6:01 same here with the small kid in a baby carriage
03:33 Ghost dogs!
pretty much!
8:09 it attempts to make a lane change 😮
It seems fsd team has reached the limits of what fsd can do with the current hardware and software logic as the progress has basically stalled over the past few releases and zero improvemnts on challenging issues like detours, u turns, and complex roundabouts.
Very good test drive. Tesla fsd is inevitably to behave like a very careful, timid driver as if it does not, for any possible small accidents, people will blame the fsd. To make the fsd behave like human drivers, the fsd needs to honk at slow-moving car in front of it. 😅
Not loving the music in this video, but it’s appreciated nonetheless
Thanks for your feedback. If you know any good sites for royalty free music, let me know, I’m always keeping an eye open for new music that doesn’t get hit by copyright RUclips enforcement.
@@techgeektesla I wonder if there’s a library somewhere.
It has to improve with a mode that is like assertive++ - but I don't think you can say it can easily swipe a car - as Tesla FSD is built not to swipe any car, ever. Its important to understand you don't need to make it drive like you and treat that like an issue - it will always drive slower as safety is imperative. Success is FSD being safe and being approved, it will gradually become more assertive - but safety is the target. FSD will make up time in your productivity where you can work while it drives. Also in the future when Teslas are 50%+ of cars on the road, each Tesla will know what the other Tesla is doing and they can by hyper-assertive with that knowledge.
Great video, bad fsd😂😂
It honestly seems like 90% of the problems arise because you are confusing the car. Constantly changing the way points and destinations. You're really putting it to its limits which is great, but when it's constantly confused on where you want it to go I think gives inaccurate test results.
Still the self drive is less stressful than sitting next to my wife negotiating her way through a city..
Tesla should deploy a team to watch these software testing videos so that they know how and where to fix and improve it on and properly communicate with the software and engineering teams
I think they are relying on NNs to figure it out. If they hard code these fixes, they will be doomed. 😆
The Tesla is just being cautious throughout your drive. There are always A-Holes that are so damn impatient, especially in big cities like Chicago. That is why even me as a human do not like to go into Chicago. I live in Elgin which is bad enough with other humans. It depends on what time of day you do your testing with FSD. Morning and Evening Rush hours are probably ridiculous with other human drivers.
Even the walking people do not obey the intersections which makes FSD driving a problem because the system is very cautious. But it is better to be too cautious than try to Ram the vehicle through the situation. I like that the FSD is that cautious before it moves. I would still be on pins and needles using FSD in Chicago or any very large city.
I am getting my 2023 Model Y long range in a week or two, so it should be fun to drive.
Thanks for the video and take care.
if someone like a Beta Tesla blocks the road for NO reason and because of this you miss a green light although you were the second in the line at the red light, then you are not the damn impatient A-ho.. but the Tesla driver who says "we test a not propperly working software and don't care if people loose their time for no reason".
If beta misses a staging event it gets dangerous quick 😅
IT'S NEED SOME LOGIC INPPUT FROM PROGRAMMERS ???❤😅😅
If this was complicated for you, you should come to Boston. I think you'll crap your pants and so will auto pilot
It would be really cool if you could get it to explore lower Wacker and lower lower Wacker where the trolls live 🤣
Elon, when, finally, you stop changing lanes in the middle of intersections? Or can't Beta detect reliably intersections? @almost crashed at 8:14 for an useless lane change
Is this how are you supposed to drive in Chicago? Constantly trying to run over pedestrians? Because that's what are you suggesting with your pedal presses.
This is absolutely how you drive in any large metro.
not overrunning but using the free space up to the spot where the pedestrians actually walk. That like this in every big city in the world. There is not much space so go close to the pedestrians but surely not too close. (And mind that at wide angled cameras it looks maybe more dangerous than it is.)
If you don’t do that, you get honked at. And I agree with @TheRiazerx: this is absolutely how you need to drive in large metro areas.
You are so distracted praising Tesla and removing waypoints that you fail to mention it ran two different red lights, or even notice!
😳 It may have ran one red light, but not two. The yellow light time is proven to be reduced in Chicago downtown compared to other areas. It’s possible that it didn’t account for that. Thanks for watching!
@@techgeektesla It ran more than two. You didnt notice and were praising the car. . Because the yellow light time is reduced does not excuse the car for just running reds. You need to pay more attention.