Really interesting about the breakdown of costs, I’ve got a slight inkling that there’s a touch of profiteering by the manufacturer/merchant side. Good to see you back on the channel and looking forward to an update on your house, you’ve been missed. 😊👍🏼👍🏼
Hi guys, great vid and all the work you do. Someone is making a ridiculous amount of money! Respect to all of you for the thoroughness of every element you do. Glad to see you back Brad and hope the work on your renovation is progressing and look forward to the update. Take care and stay safe everyone. Mike
@@Mr_A_Builders Hi Adam, not on your scale but I’m slowly working through my house. Old house, solid walls, no insulation type deal. Ceilings down, floors up, electrics and plastering. Yes, the prices are just crazy, even PIR board is through the roof (no pun intended)
Hi, thanks for the informative video. When I built some extensions several years ago you had to cut in to and continue the cavity where it joins the original back wall. I see you have used the vertical tie in straps but the cavity is bridged by the original back wall, similarly where roof meets original back wall, cavity trays would have had to be inserted (although in this case the cladding would probably suffice )so that the new inside wall is completely separated from the outside brick work. Is this no longer a requirement and does it pose any future problems with damp penetration if the wall subjected to high rainfall? Thanks
yes thats how it should be done, could have problems with damp later on moisture can travel not so much through the brick but will travel through the mortar
Hi just seen a few videos and I appreciate them. I’m dreaming of an extension one day. I’d like to see steps and Timelapse when you do each part. Perhaps from a diy point of view. If well informed nearly anyone could build one to a certain degree. It also helps with understanding costs of what the materials are and maybe where to buy them for the builder if that would help in advance. I know some builders think we all stupid. I once had a builder quote £3.5k for 2 windows fitted and I had bought the windows this was just for installation. I found an honest builder who charged £1.6k in the end. Did a great job too.
I have some questions, I'm not from the UK... Why don't you make a concrete foundation and put the bricks directly on the ground and why no reinforced concrete pillars at the corners? Can that building withstand an 7+ earthquake and why do you make the floor at ground level, don't you have problems when there is a flood? It seems strange to me in a new construction not to rise a little. In my country, a cement/concrete foundation with a minimum depth of 70 cm is mandatory and the brick wall is not for strength, reinforced concrete pillars are needed and their thickness increases if the house has a second or third floor. We do the same with insulation between the rows of thin bricks. We also finished an extension to our house in Innsbruck, Austria and I was curious. Thank you!
Lot of questions there mate but thanks for commenting. We don’t worry about earth quakes here and if this house floods we will be getting Noah and his ark out to save us all. 👍🏻
@@Mr_A_Builders Asking because I've seen images from the UK of floods on TV, cars go quite deep in the water up to the bumper and there are quite often images of water in houses and I always wondered why you build the houses at ground level..I mean if it rains hard for several days in a row, they will have to call the fire department with a pump to remove the water from the kitchen 😂anyway, I'm glad that you started to insulate the houses in the UK , cold times are coming👍
Is cavity closing with the blockwork no longer allowed, even with a vertical damp between the facing bricks and the blockwork. That's the way it was done when I built an extension in 1976. Just curious to see how much the regulations have been altered...Regards Robin.
Hi just seen the build upto plate can't see by the video the cavity not being cut with a vertical DPC put in place, surely this will lead to possible damp issues ?
Hello steve, hope you're well. Thankfully we're not required to do that round these parts. Not doing that won't cause any issues at all. I get this question a lot and I have covered it in a previous video but I think I'll go into more detail in a future one. Thank you for watching, all the best.
Professionals at work! Glad we had our extension & double garage built at the start of lockdown. May have taken nearly a year to complete, but not sure we could have afforded it now. Love the time-lapse and music 😊. Rome might have been built in a day, at that speed 😅
I know building regs change every week but do you not have to cut the cavities up on the original house? It was a must when i was at it.74 by the way.Also much easier to concrete your floor by tamping off your brickwork at dpc level.
You're looking good Mr A, real good and refreshed and the eyebags have gone since your last vid on your own house !!! Brilliant new vid, music is wicked, timelapse is quite funny when you look like a penguin walking around !!! Keep them coming, you and Andy are making excellent vids, cheers.
I must admit mate, when I was editing the last house video I wondered who the bloke was that I was looking at! It's ace though, means I've been busy! Hope you're well mate and really appreciate you always watching and commenting, take care mate.
Yay... he's back. The Man, the Myth, the Legend... Adam. 👏 Great to see the whole team back together and looking forward to the house update on Wednesday. This job looked cracking but them new regs... one day we're get new regs where costs go down... or am I just delirious & rambling 😂. Anyway nice video even if time-lapse... never seen you move so fast 🤣. Keep them coming. 👍
@@Mr_A_Builders Spot on & thanks for asking. Work, work and more work... even on Sundays! Saves having to go shopping to them nasty shops. Be good... and stay away from them trampolines 🤣🤣🤣
I know nothing about brickwork, I do not need the services of a bricklayer or builder, but I really enjoyed the video and even better, your from the midlands as am I . So you have a new subscriber.
Why no vertical DPC between the two profiles What stopping water ingress crossing over from outside to in? Cavity continuation or at least a strip of vertical DPC
Great video again Adam, glad it’s all going well. Hope customer’s understand that materials are very expensive, you just have to roll with it. Looking forward to seeing your house take shape
Is there going to be another video for the previous extension as it didn't seem to have a conclusion? And what about your house renovation, how's it going?
Hello William, they'll be a final look round at the previous job and hopefully a video from.my house this week! Thank you for watching mate, really appreciate it.
Hello Chris, hope you're well. I didn't miss them, I purposely didn't put them in. Thankfully that nonsense isn't a requirement round this neck of the woods. Appreciate you watching and commenting mate, thank you.
How do you make sure you get the exact window opening correct? I can’t see any cut down bricks? Is this something that is usually worked out on the drawings and the brick with 10mm mortar gaps will just bring you to the correct opening?
Hello Mill, all the windows and doors are made to measure so we don't have to worry about it when we're building it, we just give the customer the size and shape that they want then it's all made to fit. Hope that helps?
@@Mr_A_Builders ah ok. Isn’t there building codes that say window need to be X distance from floor level etc. Iv always wonder how new builds the guys get the windows in the correct place but keep the brick complete.
All glass in a door or attached to a door needs to be safely glass as does any glass that's less than 800mm from the floor level. Hope that helps mate.
very informative adam i use the insulated plasterboard find it the best way for me not for everyone tho, about time insulation was subsidised if they want us to upgrade spec, gov want their cake and to eat it too
My architects have specced a 100mm cavity with 90mm of kingspan k106 which is a phenolic insulation. Slightly better thermally that PIR so meets the new regs but very expensive compared to cavity batts. Still just in the planning phase. Im considering the options so great info. Thanks for the vids. Great insight!
That's how my extension was specified the issue with it is it doesn't stop heat transfer to the breeze block I spent extra having a secondary layer of insulation with superfoil so batten on the inside superfoil then batten then plasterboard. Yesterday was 30 outside and 22 in the extension I've also a vaulted cealing and underfloor heating the space is 30sq meters large kitchen diner relax space so I had the room. Builder said it would have been better with a rock wool type insulation in the cavity anyway its done now
@@SlowhandGreg thanks Greg. I'll look in to insulation on the internal skin. I might be able to reduce the spec of the cavity insulation and save money too!
@@tomoose22 having gone through the process I would definitely have a fibre based cavity rather than foam the brickies stuck holes through it for the ties its not one solid piece you can't tape it. If you don't have room for a foil based wall secondary I'd recommend at least doing it on the floor over a mineral wool insulation between joists we have underfloor heating so I used YBS floorquilt. The extension is massive so I went to town on the insulation and it was a retirement present for me and my wife.
Amazing work guys. Am not a builder but I am always amazed at how you do what you do. 👊Just wondering, do you need to tie the brick extension in to the rear wall of the house at all? Keep the videos coming. Just subscribed. From Dublin Ireland ☘️. 💪
Very interesting . I am a mere DIYer. You mentioned at the start that you could not risk engineering bricks in the rain. Excuse my ignorance what is that about. Will then stain more ?
Hello mate. They hold water on the surface making them nearly impossible to lay when they are wet, they start to move and sink all over the place. Hope that helps. Thank you for watching.
Morning Stuart, hope you're well. That's a question we asked a lot and the simple answer is, thankfully, that we don't have to. We've never had a building inspector ask for it, never seen it done with my own eyes and never have any of my builder friends been asked to do it. I'm of the belief that it's a complete nonsense and the structural damage that it can cause can be immense. That being said, if the building inspector asked for it, then of course we'd do it but we'd ask for our objections to be on their notes so we're covered. Appreciate you watching mate, have a great day.
I would think the increase in cost is partially to do with inflation (don't know if you were using today's prices for the thin stuff) but also obviously more material to make and then transport costs. you can't get as many rolls, sheets of thick insulation on each lorry. There may be a case that the thick stuff is not made in the same quantities as the thinner stuff as it has less uses. This may change with the new regs or it may not as you says there are ways and means of achieving the same result. I think in the end it's a good thing to build more energy efficient buildings.
I believe you could mate but no doubt you'll have to counter batten etc and the wall will be just as thick and you wouldn't have saved any money! It's a nightmare!
Hi Adam just interested, this is really a question just wondering why you didn't open the cavity so it's follows the house ? Any extension we've done we had to open the cavity up 👍
Hello Chris, hope you're well mate. It's not a requirement round these parts mate, never has been and apart from RUclips I've never seen it being done. It's strange how different parts of the country do it differently isn't it!
Totally agree m8 over here in Northern Ireland building control almost insists on it sorry, But the build looks spot on you guys are good you should be super proud 💪
Some things have reduced in price with the new regs though, 150mm PIR is about £30 a sheet cheaper now merchants having to stock it as standard. But where loads of people come unstuck with warmdecks is with the price of 180mm to 200mm screws. Toolstation spectre are about £20 a box & Timco at one of my suppliers about the same price but Screwfix are stupid price for these screws & so are loads of suppliers coming in at nearly £50 a box & when you got a 40m² to 50m² warmdeck that can really add up fast. Also had building control conflicts with some saying you HAVE to use bonded vapour barrier under the PIR while others are fine with 1000 gauge vapour barrier underneath with foil PIR with foil tape. I always do 18mm OSB + 150mm PIR + 18mm OSB but Building Control said they are ok with base OSB to be 12mm. Done a few warmdecks now & something always crops up, like when they want a soffit with lights in that they didnt originally mention LOL
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@@Mr_A_Builders That is definitely the best price I have seen them, you done well with that find. But they still work out more expensive than using 180mm or 200mm Timco screws at £17+ VAT for boxes of 100. There is the thermal break argument for the plastic fixings, which I'm not entirely convinced about. But if I get a warmdeck where they specify the plastic fixings I will definitely be ordering them from that seller at them prices. Thanks for the link :)
Hello Johnathan, hope you're well mate. All will be revealed in the next couple of episodes, hopefully you'll find them interesting. All the best mate.
Hi Adam, hope the house is going well, as for using timelapse on that job fair enough, but on other work with more detail in it, I prefer normal speed and a bit of chat.
Damn I love your videos. I'm coming up to my first year of a self employed bathroom fitter - absolutely loving it. God I'd love to work for you guys as you'd learn so much. On a side note, that music (second track) was brilliant. I even had to Shazam it haha. All the best lads.
I’ve done loads of warm roof and yes a pain in the bum I’ve done same way as you have said and a way that has smaller fascia and step the insulation back that looks nice 45degrees angle to the insulation
Yes mate, I see what you're saying. Richard will do this one slightly different to that that you may find interesting, we shall see! Thanks for watching mate, have a great week.
First loved the second banger of a tune . Our audience are at the older scale so they hate the bangers , I love it . New regs have set the cat amongst the pigeons . There are so many ways to build and meet the regs, the 150 full fill knauf cav is the simplest. We hate building the internal first and the kingspan K106 is £25+ per sheet plus the tape is extortionate ! Our local merchant has started to stock 350 mm trench block and the wider lintels at very cheap prices. Selco have just started to stock the . 32 150 mm stuff and it’s on offer too. The other little speed bump is the mineral insulation must be the . 32 now not .36 or.37 which is way cheaper but doesn’t cut it and it’s very easy to miss that and get caught out . 🧱👍🏼
Hello fellas! Great to hear from you, been watching your channel for ages! These regs certainly make it difficult to both adhere to and give the customer what they want. I'm the same as you, don't like building the inner leaf first, especially as we haven't had a building inspector in years that has allowed us to use anything other than thermalite blocks, and we all know how much of a nightmare they are when built first! Anyways, really appreciate you getting in touch, take care fellas.
Hello Colin, it was £320 cheaper to have 100mm and 50mm than just the 150mm and that was for the whole of the cavity, 20m². Hope that helps mate, thank you for watching.
Hello riptiz, thank you for commenting. There's definitely ways of keeping the 100mm cavity and as you say, using that type of insulation will do the trick, but you have to build the inner leaf first and that can't be done on a plot like this because of the neighbours wall.
Our build for our 6m X 6m extension went from £55k + vat to £58,500 + vat because the price was given using the old costs as opposed to the new regs I paid without really arguing the point because I know the process are just going to keep going up
@@Mr_A_Builders just finishing all the little jobs that I couldn't afford for the builder to finish off, it's only been a month but just got the washing machine plumbed in 😁 Final job is getting the water softener fitted in two weeks time and then we can relax 👍
hi Adam on your last job you said you was doing the upstairs window in the alway are you still doing it I did ask nice to see you back keep up the good work
Hello Tim, good to hear from you. We did put it in mate and we'll show it when we go back for the final inspection. Thank you for watching mate, all the best.
What I find special time after time when watching bricklaying films is that in the Netherlands the joints are scratched out during the bricklaying process and are only finally grouted days later by someone who has made grouting a specialty. While in my opinion the final result in the UK is just as good and less time consuming.
Hello Sonny, hope you're well mate. I couldn't comment on how things are done elsewhere I'm afraid but what I can say is that how it's done here works! Take care mate.
Well where were you Adam, 150 cavity hell here, just worked out how much more the 150 drytherm has cost me more than the combination of the 100+50 of the same…£160. Am just finishing the opening in the flat roof for 2 lanterns on to which the warm roof is going Any further saving tips much appreciated as the wife can only afford to holiday herself, well suppose ever cloud and all that…
Manage expectations at the beginning. On every single quote I send out to clients (not in the building trade but it's still valid) I have lines line that say 1. Quote is valid for 90 days from creation date (stops people expecting the same price if they accept it a year down the line) 2. Quote assumes no more than 10% movement in prices of materials required. Price rises above this will be carried forward to the customer. Never had a problem since I started doing that and it's much easier to have the conversation with the customer.
The original bricks looks like Ibstock Beacon Sahara They have changed colour clay since they were originally produced so getting an exact match is impossible, the replacements are lighter and need tinting to blend in. They also used the be solid and have been changed to perforated. Really frustrating not to be able to get an exact brick match any more.
Considsring it's a 50% increase in cavity size they really are taking the Micheal with these prices , you had me there Ad with the man from del monte bit he'll only say yes love it 😂😂
In a previous job I used to inspect the quality of food being delivered to a supermarket depot & had to reject a delivery of pineaples from Del Monte. So I actually told the man from Del Monte 'No'.
The man from Delmonte !😂😂😂 driest remark ever! Out of interest do you have to pour in slightly wider concrete on a standard trench fill, maybe 650mm/700mm min now?
Haha! I couldn't believe it when he went passed! I'm pretty sure he was sucking on an orange too! That's a great question mate and to honest I think it would be better to have a wider footing but that means taking more out and filling it back in with more concrete, both of which is more money! Hope you're well mate, all the best.
Proper moment that mate, Only a mater of time I guess before the powers that be spot this minimal difference and apply their not pragmatic processes! Loving the content, very multi skilled💪🏻
A few years ago doing a similar extension there was a requirement to slice up wall between the two wall plates so that the new cavity joined up with the old cavity any views perhaps the extra work to prevent damp no longer required anybody enlighten me
🤔 those new regs sound like a back hander price hike for the halfway upsize. Just a peak at the zero emissions future 😮 another informative video 👌🏼 good luck with the house 🤞🏻
I think the issue is builders merchants don’t give decent discounts to small builders ie sole traders or Joe Public you have to haggle hard and shop around
Hello Mark, hope you're well mate. What I've also heard, and I'm not saying this with any real evidence, is that the cost of making the 'wool' type insulation has increased massively due to the energy price hike because it takes so much energy to produce the stuff in the first place!
Hopefully supply and demand will change things slowly now as more demand comes in for 150mm cavities and the 100mm lintels will start to be a thing of the past. All you can do is be transparent with the customer so that they know it's an industry wide change.
Yeah man, that's a great option. There's loads of different ways to do it isn't there but the one thing they've all got in common is that they are all expensive!
Heelllloooo Doug! Hope you're well mate. Only my accountant looks at me in wonder, and that's not a good thing! Haha! Appreciate you sticking with us mate, take care.
maybe you need to negotiate more, I had a quote of £2000 ish for some lintels, after threatening to buy online, got them down to £1300! which is about 79% off list.
Hello mate, couldn't agree more as these are "off the shelf prices" but of course that works both ways and if the 100mm stuff comes off the same amount then the difference is the same. Again it's the builder who's the only loser though, they are the ones who have to negotiate and argue the toss all so the customer gets the best price! It's difficult isn't it!
The cavities didn’t appear to be cut and made continuous on the house, or a vertical damp cut in, if this isn’t done, then there will be a risk of damp travelling through the old external skin of the house through into the extension.
Hello Nick, hope you're well. You're right in the fact that there's no vertical damp, thankfully the building inspectors round this neck of the woods are in agreement with us that it's a load of rubbish and far more detrimental than advantageous!
@@Mr_A_Builders I’m good, lucky you have building control which are happy with this approach, as a building control surveyor myself, I would not be happy with cavities either not cut and made continuous, or a vertical damp installed, maybe because I’m in a coastal location and fairly exposed, and therefore wish to avoid damp soaking through and cold bridging occurring by the house wall remaining continuous into the extension with no break being made to stop this.
Ah, well there you go, coastal areas, totally different ball game and the precautions those areas need don't need to be enforced all over the country. That being said, vertical damp is a complete nonsense and causes so many more problems than the one it's trying to prevent.
I have never put a vertical damp or cut the cavities, as you say building control ( here anyway) says it’s nonsense so we don’t bother.! Never had any cold spots or damp travelling across….
Jasper lad you are alive, not in prison and not ran off with the mother in laws neighbours wife. See you Wednesday. As the man from Del Monte says ‘YES’.
@@Mr_A_Builders I’m good mate but I feel like the wife who’s been left with 6 starving kids since you left. I only came for the who should pay for the retaining garden wall and you grew on me. Hartley has been doing a fine job on the extension but needs to up his humour game, no man from Del Monte been walking past him. Take care mate.
Obviously it depends on the size of the job but if we are doing absolutely everything, right through to and including the decorating then it's not unusual for that to take 6 months.
so much for saving the planet then? 150mm cavity means bigger slab,equals more concrete, wider lintels means more steel and all the production elements into that..150mm insulation instead of 100mm etc etc.....i'm sure their going to say this reduces the heating costs of a building overtime .....
The manufacturers/merchants are just price gouging whilst they can. Anytime something is stipulated it gives manufacturer/trade the justification to increase price
Getting to a point where the walls are going to be so thick small extensions will be unbuildable. Else full cavities external insulation and insulated back boards?. Find out what the "real heat saving" is by use of high R Value materials which become too expensive justify to give a low U value. It is ridiculous, my LA whom I rent a house will not insulate my roof space because they cannot afford £300. Set of idiots, 20 years of no insulation that is 25% heat loss through my roof. How much energy is that?.
Hi guys, nice job but unfortunately I recommend you to hire charted architect for the future works as the devil is often in the detail. You have forgotten about the fundamental items like cavity trays and weep vents at slab level and above the window lintel. In that case the water from condensation will stay forever in the wall. That will cause mold in the future. On the top of that you have forgotten about DPM which should be sealed to DPC at the slab level. This is the reason why your work will cost much less than the work of professional builders.
Cavity closers. A pain in the butt for Double glazing replacement if timber windows fitted. Get it wrong and plaster reveal gets disturbed or falls away.
@RAY Ponting yeah, those 80s houses with magnet and Southern windows. I used to recip between the frame and plaster and cut the cavity closer. Either that or just trim it with 90
Really interesting about the breakdown of costs, I’ve got a slight inkling that there’s a touch of profiteering by the manufacturer/merchant side. Good to see you back on the channel and looking forward to an update on your house, you’ve been missed. 😊👍🏼👍🏼
Thank you Simon, appreciate your comment mate, really kind of you to say. Hope you're well mate.
Hi guys, great vid and all the work you do. Someone is making a ridiculous amount of money! Respect to all of you for the thoroughness of every element you do. Glad to see you back Brad and hope the work on your renovation is progressing and look forward to the update. Take care and stay safe everyone. Mike
Very interesting Adam, I’m glad an update is imminent for your house. Being honest, that’s the one I’ve found most interesting as it’s relatable 👍🏻
Cheers man, really appreciate you sticking with us. I take it you've got a bit of a project on of your own at the minute?
@@Mr_A_Builders Hi Adam, not on your scale but I’m slowly working through my house. Old house, solid walls, no insulation type deal. Ceilings down, floors up, electrics and plastering. Yes, the prices are just crazy, even PIR board is through the roof (no pun intended)
Hi, thanks for the informative video. When I built some extensions several years ago you had to cut in to and continue the cavity where it joins the original back wall. I see you have used the vertical tie in straps but the cavity is bridged by the original back wall, similarly where roof meets original back wall, cavity trays would have had to be inserted (although in this case the cladding would probably suffice )so that the new inside wall is completely separated from the outside brick work. Is this no longer a requirement and does it pose any future problems with damp penetration if the wall subjected to high rainfall? Thanks
I could agree more, also fulll fibreglass cavity fill with a brick outer leaf... good luck with that in a bad wet winter.
yes thats how it should be done, could have problems with damp later on moisture can travel not so much through the brick but will travel through the mortar
Hi just seen a few videos and I appreciate them. I’m dreaming of an extension one day. I’d like to see steps and Timelapse when you do each part. Perhaps from a diy point of view.
If well informed nearly anyone could build one to a certain degree.
It also helps with understanding costs of what the materials are and maybe where to buy them for the builder if that would help in advance.
I know some builders think we all stupid. I once had a builder quote £3.5k for 2 windows fitted and I had bought the windows this was just for installation. I found an honest builder who charged £1.6k in the end. Did a great job too.
I have some questions, I'm not from the UK... Why don't you make a concrete foundation and put the bricks directly on the ground and why no reinforced concrete pillars at the corners? Can that building withstand an 7+ earthquake and why do you make the floor at ground level, don't you have problems when there is a flood? It seems strange to me in a new construction not to rise a little. In my country, a cement/concrete foundation with a minimum depth of 70 cm is mandatory and the brick wall is not for strength, reinforced concrete pillars are needed and their thickness increases if the house has a second or third floor. We do the same with insulation between the rows of thin bricks. We also finished an extension to our house in Innsbruck, Austria and I was curious. Thank you!
Lot of questions there mate but thanks for commenting. We don’t worry about earth quakes here and if this house floods we will be getting Noah and his ark out to save us all. 👍🏻
@@Mr_A_Builders Asking because I've seen images from the UK of floods on TV, cars go quite deep in the water up to the bumper and there are quite often images of water in houses and I always wondered why you build the houses at ground level..I mean if it rains hard for several days in a row, they will have to call the fire department with a pump to remove the water from the kitchen 😂anyway, I'm glad that you started to insulate the houses in the UK , cold times are coming👍
Is cavity closing with the blockwork no longer allowed, even with a vertical damp between the facing bricks and the blockwork. That's the way it was done when I built an extension in 1976. Just curious to see how much the regulations have been altered...Regards Robin.
Hello Robin, hope you're well. To be honest I'm not sure whether you're allowed to do that anymore or not but it's certainly not common.
Hi just seen the build upto plate can't see by the video the cavity not being cut with a vertical DPC put in place, surely this will lead to possible damp issues ?
Hello steve, hope you're well. Thankfully we're not required to do that round these parts. Not doing that won't cause any issues at all. I get this question a lot and I have covered it in a previous video but I think I'll go into more detail in a future one. Thank you for watching, all the best.
Professionals at work! Glad we had our extension & double garage built at the start of lockdown. May have taken nearly a year to complete, but not sure we could have afforded it now. Love the time-lapse and music 😊. Rome might have been built in a day, at that speed 😅
Haha! Thank you tony! Hope you're well mate.
Stop using 'lockdown' like an annual event such as 'easter' or 'school holidays'. This brainwashing term won't age well...
@@ef7480 How have I used it like an annual event? 🤔🤔🤔
I know building regs change every week but do you not have to cut the cavities up on the original house? It was a must when i was at it.74 by the way.Also much easier to concrete your floor by tamping off your brickwork at dpc level.
You're looking good Mr A, real good and refreshed and the eyebags have gone since your last vid on your own house !!! Brilliant new vid, music is wicked, timelapse is quite funny when you look like a penguin walking around !!! Keep them coming, you and Andy are making excellent vids, cheers.
I must admit mate, when I was editing the last house video I wondered who the bloke was that I was looking at! It's ace though, means I've been busy! Hope you're well mate and really appreciate you always watching and commenting, take care mate.
Great to see you back Adam. Looking forwsrd to seeing your work on your own house.
Best wishes mate
Cheers Peter! Hope you're well mate, take care.
Yay... he's back. The Man, the Myth, the Legend... Adam. 👏
Great to see the whole team back together and looking forward to the house update on Wednesday. This job looked cracking but them new regs... one day we're get new regs where costs go down... or am I just delirious & rambling 😂.
Anyway nice video even if time-lapse... never seen you move so fast 🤣. Keep them coming. 👍
Haha! Cheers man! How's things with you mate? Hope you're well.
@@Mr_A_Builders Spot on & thanks for asking. Work, work and more work... even on Sundays! Saves having to go shopping to them nasty shops.
Be good... and stay away from them trampolines 🤣🤣🤣
God, I love brummies! Lovely accent and great sense of humour. Keep it up guys!
Great to catch up with you would be very nice to watch more of your house build, have not seen it for quite a while.
Cheers Dennis, there's a new video out very very soon! Sorry for the delay! Hope you're well mate!
Man from Del Monte pmsl. Brilliant! Nice video and looking forward to the next
Haha! Cheers man! Hopefully you'll like the next video too! All the best mate.
I know nothing about brickwork, I do not need the services of a bricklayer or builder, but I really enjoyed the video and even better, your from the midlands as am I . So you have a new subscriber.
What an absolute lovely clean build. What insulation is that used in the cavity wall?
Why no vertical DPC between the two profiles What stopping water ingress crossing over from outside to in? Cavity continuation or at least a strip of vertical DPC
Science.
Great to see you back Adam great vlog to explain
Cheers Paul, really appreciate you watching and commenting. Take care mate.
Great video again Adam, glad it’s all going well. Hope customer’s understand that materials are very expensive, you just have to roll with it. Looking forward to seeing your house take shape
Thank you, Logan. Hope you're well mate.
All awesome mukka
This is good timing Adam. I'm tackling my own now
Best of luck with it mate, feel free to ask if you've got any questions. Take care.
Heya Adam! Can’t believe I’ve only just found you this!? Same old Mick standing round watching on a job! 😉 great work….see you at the big one
Really enjoyed that mate, music was spot on.
Nice one! Thank you mate.
Particularly interested in seeing how the vapour barrier is placed onto and around the insulation, especially at the edges
Hello Darren, thank you for getting in touch. That'll all be explained over the next couple of episodes, cheers mate, all the best.
Is there going to be another video for the previous extension as it didn't seem to have a conclusion? And what about your house renovation, how's it going?
Hello William, they'll be a final look round at the previous job and hopefully a video from.my house this week! Thank you for watching mate, really appreciate it.
looks like you missed to put the cut between the wall starters to continue the cavity ?
Hello Chris, hope you're well. I didn't miss them, I purposely didn't put them in. Thankfully that nonsense isn't a requirement round this neck of the woods. Appreciate you watching and commenting mate, thank you.
Hi why did you not have to cut a dpm chase in the wall when using the profiles?
How do you make sure you get the exact window opening correct? I can’t see any cut down bricks? Is this something that is usually worked out on the drawings and the brick with 10mm mortar gaps will just bring you to the correct opening?
Hello Mill, all the windows and doors are made to measure so we don't have to worry about it when we're building it, we just give the customer the size and shape that they want then it's all made to fit. Hope that helps?
@@Mr_A_Builders ah ok. Isn’t there building codes that say window need to be X distance from floor level etc. Iv always wonder how new builds the guys get the windows in the correct place but keep the brick complete.
All glass in a door or attached to a door needs to be safely glass as does any glass that's less than 800mm from the floor level. Hope that helps mate.
very informative adam i use the insulated plasterboard find it the best way for me not for everyone tho, about time insulation was subsidised if they want us to upgrade spec, gov want their cake and to eat it too
Now that's a great idea, Martyn, love that! Appreciate you watching mate, all the best.
Nice to see you all back
Thank you, Gary! Hope you're well mate.
My architects have specced a 100mm cavity with 90mm of kingspan k106 which is a phenolic insulation. Slightly better thermally that PIR so meets the new regs but very expensive compared to cavity batts. Still just in the planning phase. Im considering the options so great info. Thanks for the vids. Great insight!
Best of luck with it all mate, take care.
That's how my extension was specified the issue with it is it doesn't stop heat transfer to the breeze block I spent extra having a secondary layer of insulation with superfoil so batten on the inside superfoil then batten then plasterboard.
Yesterday was 30 outside and 22 in the extension I've also a vaulted cealing and underfloor heating the space is 30sq meters large kitchen diner relax space so I had the room.
Builder said it would have been better with a rock wool type insulation in the cavity anyway its done now
@@SlowhandGreg thanks Greg. I'll look in to insulation on the internal skin. I might be able to reduce the spec of the cavity insulation and save money too!
@@tomoose22 having gone through the process I would definitely have a fibre based cavity rather than foam the brickies stuck holes through it for the ties its not one solid piece you can't tape it.
If you don't have room for a foil based wall secondary I'd recommend at least doing it on the floor over a mineral wool insulation between joists we have underfloor heating so I used YBS floorquilt.
The extension is massive so I went to town on the insulation and it was a retirement present for me and my wife.
Amazing work guys. Am not a builder but I am always amazed at how you do what you do. 👊Just wondering, do you need to tie the brick extension in to the rear wall of the house at all? Keep the videos coming. Just subscribed. From Dublin Ireland ☘️. 💪
Thanks for watching. The extension is tied in using wall starters.👍🏻
Very interesting . I am a mere DIYer. You mentioned at the start that you could not risk engineering bricks in the rain. Excuse my ignorance what is that about. Will then stain more ?
Hello mate. They hold water on the surface making them nearly impossible to lay when they are wet, they start to move and sink all over the place. Hope that helps. Thank you for watching.
Hi just wondering why you don't open cavity or put in vertices damp
Morning Stuart, hope you're well. That's a question we asked a lot and the simple answer is, thankfully, that we don't have to. We've never had a building inspector ask for it, never seen it done with my own eyes and never have any of my builder friends been asked to do it. I'm of the belief that it's a complete nonsense and the structural damage that it can cause can be immense. That being said, if the building inspector asked for it, then of course we'd do it but we'd ask for our objections to be on their notes so we're covered. Appreciate you watching mate, have a great day.
I would think the increase in cost is partially to do with inflation (don't know if you were using today's prices for the thin stuff) but also obviously more material to make and then transport costs. you can't get as many rolls, sheets of thick insulation on each lorry. There may be a case that the thick stuff is not made in the same quantities as the thinner stuff as it has less uses. This may change with the new regs or it may not as you says there are ways and means of achieving the same result. I think in the end it's a good thing to build more energy efficient buildings.
Can you have 100mm cavity then superquilt internal walls to get it to the thermal value.?
I believe you could mate but no doubt you'll have to counter batten etc and the wall will be just as thick and you wouldn't have saved any money! It's a nightmare!
Hi Adam just interested, this is really a question just wondering why you didn't open the cavity so it's follows the house ? Any extension we've done we had to open the cavity up 👍
Hello Chris, hope you're well mate. It's not a requirement round these parts mate, never has been and apart from RUclips I've never seen it being done. It's strange how different parts of the country do it differently isn't it!
Totally agree m8 over here in Northern Ireland building control almost insists on it sorry, But the build looks spot on you guys are good you should be super proud 💪
Some things have reduced in price with the new regs though, 150mm PIR is about £30 a sheet cheaper now merchants having to stock it as standard.
But where loads of people come unstuck with warmdecks is with the price of 180mm to 200mm screws. Toolstation spectre are about £20 a box & Timco at one of my suppliers about the same price but Screwfix are stupid price for these screws & so are loads of suppliers coming in at nearly £50 a box & when you got a 40m² to 50m² warmdeck that can really add up fast.
Also had building control conflicts with some saying you HAVE to use bonded vapour barrier under the PIR while others are fine with 1000 gauge vapour barrier underneath with foil PIR with foil tape.
I always do 18mm OSB + 150mm PIR + 18mm OSB but Building Control said they are ok with base OSB to be 12mm.
Done a few warmdecks now & something always crops up, like when they want a soffit with lights in that they didnt originally mention LOL
Screwfix have lost the plot with prices on a lot of things lately.And those new regs for 150mm cavity, load of BS....
Interestingly enough mate there's a much much cheaper and better way to fix the deck down, all will be revealed in the next couple of episodes!
@@Mr_A_Builders if you're on about them plastic things I have yet to find anywhere that sells them at a sensible price.
I am mate yeah... prepare to be amazed...
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@@Mr_A_Builders That is definitely the best price I have seen them, you done well with that find.
But they still work out more expensive than using 180mm or 200mm Timco screws at £17+ VAT for boxes of 100.
There is the thermal break argument for the plastic fixings, which I'm not entirely convinced about. But if I get a warmdeck where they specify the plastic fixings I will definitely be ordering them from that seller at them prices. Thanks for the link :)
Would like to jnow who does your plans and submission..?
Are you going to return your inner skin to stop cold bridging ?
Hello Johnathan, hope you're well mate. All will be revealed in the next couple of episodes, hopefully you'll find them interesting. All the best mate.
@@Mr_A_Builders nice one 👍🏻
Hi Adam, hope the house is going well, as for using timelapse on that job fair enough, but on other work with more detail in it, I prefer normal speed and a bit of chat.
In that case Kevin, you're going to love Wednesdays episode! Haha! Cheers mate.
Damn I love your videos. I'm coming up to my first year of a self employed bathroom fitter - absolutely loving it. God I'd love to work for you guys as you'd learn so much. On a side note, that music (second track) was brilliant. I even had to Shazam it haha. All the best lads.
Cheers Ash! Appreciate that mate. All our music is from the Epidemic music app if you're interested. Where you based mate?
@@Mr_A_Builders I’ll check it out, thank you. In the beautiful South West, Torquay to be precise 👍 I’ve just started a whole house renovation today.
Nice one mate! Best of luck with it!
I’ve done loads of warm roof and yes a pain in the bum I’ve done same way as you have said and a way that has smaller fascia and step the insulation back that looks nice 45degrees angle to the insulation
Yes mate, I see what you're saying. Richard will do this one slightly different to that that you may find interesting, we shall see! Thanks for watching mate, have a great week.
First loved the second banger of a tune . Our audience are at the older scale so they hate the bangers , I love it .
New regs have set the cat amongst the pigeons . There are so many ways to build and meet the regs, the 150 full fill knauf cav is the simplest. We hate building the internal first and the kingspan K106 is £25+ per sheet plus the tape is extortionate !
Our local merchant has started to stock 350 mm trench block and the wider lintels at very cheap prices.
Selco have just started to stock the . 32 150 mm stuff and it’s on offer too.
The other little speed bump is the mineral insulation must be the . 32 now not .36 or.37 which is way cheaper but doesn’t cut it and it’s very easy to miss that and get caught out . 🧱👍🏼
Hello fellas! Great to hear from you, been watching your channel for ages! These regs certainly make it difficult to both adhere to and give the customer what they want. I'm the same as you, don't like building the inner leaf first, especially as we haven't had a building inspector in years that has allowed us to use anything other than thermalite blocks, and we all know how much of a nightmare they are when built first! Anyways, really appreciate you getting in touch, take care fellas.
Made a lovely job of that though despite the weather. Hope everyones well 👍
Thank you James! How are you mate? Give us a bell mate, got some work for you.
@@Mr_A_Builders Sorry mate just seen this now. Will do
When you give prices can you also tell us the units. Is that £138 for 150mm insulation per square meter? Per 2.5 sqm pack? For the whole job?
Hello Colin, it was £320 cheaper to have 100mm and 50mm than just the 150mm and that was for the whole of the cavity, 20m². Hope that helps mate, thank you for watching.
It was ok , glad a new house episode is coming which was finally mentioned right at the end phew
Cheers John, appreciate you watching mate. All the best.
So if you used kingspan would you be able to do a 100mm cavity?
Hello riptiz, thank you for commenting. There's definitely ways of keeping the 100mm cavity and as you say, using that type of insulation will do the trick, but you have to build the inner leaf first and that can't be done on a plot like this because of the neighbours wall.
Our build for our 6m X 6m extension went from £55k + vat to £58,500 + vat because the price was given using the old costs as opposed to the new regs
I paid without really arguing the point because I know the process are just going to keep going up
Fair play to you mate. Hope you're well.
@@Mr_A_Builders just finishing all the little jobs that I couldn't afford for the builder to finish off, it's only been a month but just got the washing machine plumbed in 😁
Final job is getting the water softener fitted in two weeks time and then we can relax 👍
hi Adam on your last job you said you was doing the upstairs window in the alway are you still doing it I did ask nice to see you back keep up the good work
Hello Tim, good to hear from you. We did put it in mate and we'll show it when we go back for the final inspection. Thank you for watching mate, all the best.
Looking forward to Wednesday - it`s been a while! Great vids lads - much better than DIY SOS! 😁
So how much in total is the extra cost on say the project you are working on now. For the new regulations ?
Thanks...enjoyed that.. subscribed 👍
Mate that's ace! Thank you. Take care.
What I find special time after time when watching bricklaying films is that in the Netherlands the joints are scratched out during the bricklaying process and are only finally grouted days later by someone who has made grouting a specialty. While in my opinion the final result in the UK is just as good and less time consuming.
Hello Sonny, hope you're well mate. I couldn't comment on how things are done elsewhere I'm afraid but what I can say is that how it's done here works! Take care mate.
We always did that in Germany too.The brickwork pointing was a separate trade and those boys were rapido.
Well where were you Adam, 150 cavity hell here, just worked out how much more the 150 drytherm has cost me more than the combination of the 100+50 of the same…£160.
Am just finishing the opening in the flat roof for 2 lanterns on to which the warm roof is going
Any further saving tips much appreciated as the wife can only afford to holiday herself, well suppose ever cloud and all that…
Manage expectations at the beginning. On every single quote I send out to clients (not in the building trade but it's still valid) I have lines line that say
1. Quote is valid for 90 days from creation date (stops people expecting the same price if they accept it a year down the line)
2. Quote assumes no more than 10% movement in prices of materials required. Price rises above this will be carried forward to the customer.
Never had a problem since I started doing that and it's much easier to have the conversation with the customer.
The original bricks looks like Ibstock Beacon Sahara
They have changed colour clay since they were originally produced so getting an exact match is impossible, the replacements are lighter and need tinting to blend in. They also used the be solid and have been changed to perforated. Really frustrating not to be able to get an exact brick match any more.
Considsring it's a 50% increase in cavity size they really are taking the Micheal with these prices , you had me there Ad with the man from del monte bit he'll only say yes love it 😂😂
Haha! I couldn't believe it when he walked past! A little voice in my head just kept saying "don't laugh, do not laugh"! Hope you're well mate.
Shouldn't you be breaking out cavity in existing cavity wall at junction to avoid cold bridge & damp
I wonder if the big builders are paying these huge increases or they can negotiate a much lower increase?
In a previous job I used to inspect the quality of food being delivered to a supermarket depot & had to reject a delivery of pineaples from Del Monte. So I actually told the man from Del Monte 'No'.
Haha! Not many people can say that mate!
Where you from 😂 I’m from Walsall don’t think your too far away lol
Nice video btw 👍🤩
Not far away at all mate, I live in Smethwick.
The man from Delmonte !😂😂😂 driest remark ever!
Out of interest do you have to pour in slightly wider concrete on a standard trench fill, maybe 650mm/700mm min now?
Haha! I couldn't believe it when he went passed! I'm pretty sure he was sucking on an orange too! That's a great question mate and to honest I think it would be better to have a wider footing but that means taking more out and filling it back in with more concrete, both of which is more money! Hope you're well mate, all the best.
Proper moment that mate, Only a mater of time I guess before the powers that be spot this minimal difference and apply their not pragmatic processes!
Loving the content, very multi skilled💪🏻
Cheers man! Appreciate you watching mate.
Great stuff
Cheers Ade. Hope you're well mate.
A few years ago doing a similar extension there was a requirement to slice up wall between the two wall plates so that the new cavity joined up with the old cavity any views perhaps the extra work to prevent damp no longer required anybody enlighten me
🤔 those new regs sound like a back hander price hike for the halfway upsize. Just a peak at the zero emissions future 😮 another informative video 👌🏼 good luck with the house 🤞🏻
Well I couldn't possibly comment! Haha! Hope you're well mate, thank you for watching.
@@Mr_A_Builders Haha yeah, I’m fine with the beautiful sunny weekend 🤩
Can you lads get in contact please based in Stourbridge and need a loft conversion/extension quoting please, clean Job once again
Hello Dan, our email is in our bio mate, by all means get in touch and we'll see what we can do.
Great quality building. Not sure about the design, might be a bit dark.
I thought the same mate but it's actually very light in there! Thank you for watching mate.
On my timber frame second floor extension on my bungalow for the phenolic kingspan insulation..............£11000 !!!!!! mental.
I think the issue is builders merchants don’t give decent discounts to small builders ie sole traders or Joe Public you have to haggle hard and shop around
Hello Mark, hope you're well mate. What I've also heard, and I'm not saying this with any real evidence, is that the cost of making the 'wool' type insulation has increased massively due to the energy price hike because it takes so much energy to produce the stuff in the first place!
Hopefully supply and demand will change things slowly now as more demand comes in for 150mm cavities and the 100mm lintels will start to be a thing of the past. All you can do is be transparent with the customer so that they know it's an industry wide change.
My merchants were quite a bit cheaper on 2 75mm packs over 1 150mm. The 150mm stuff is still mega expensive.
Building control in Cheshire told me I had to use 150mm, and not a make up of 100+50 or indeed 75+75.
Your livable space is reduced also. So the cost per sq foot of livable space has increased more than the materials cost.
Hows your House going ADAM
I’ve been fitting 57mm insulated plaster boards on the last job £60 a board that’s not cheap
Yeah man, that's a great option. There's loads of different ways to do it isn't there but the one thing they've all got in common is that they are all expensive!
I built my own house extension (11m x 4.5m) and the inspector wasn't happy when he saw no ties below damp...
Hello mate, hope you're well. What legislation did he show you to stating that there should be? I'm willing to say none.
I’ve never put ties below damp.
That's because you do it right!
@@Mr_A_Builders the concrete infill 150mm below damp in the cavity negates the need for ties.
Heloooo Adam. Welcome back. I see you've silenced Richard on this one and left him looking at you in wonder. 😀
Heelllloooo Doug! Hope you're well mate. Only my accountant looks at me in wonder, and that's not a good thing! Haha! Appreciate you sticking with us mate, take care.
@@Mr_A_Builders 😂😂
maybe you need to negotiate more, I had a quote of £2000 ish for some lintels, after threatening to buy online, got them down to £1300! which is about 79% off list.
Hello mate, couldn't agree more as these are "off the shelf prices" but of course that works both ways and if the 100mm stuff comes off the same amount then the difference is the same. Again it's the builder who's the only loser though, they are the ones who have to negotiate and argue the toss all so the customer gets the best price! It's difficult isn't it!
Yes, I find it really annoying that it’s always a negotiation with builders merchants.
I bit you wish you could lay brick and block that quick!
Haha! I really do mate!
Great video :) The man from Delmonte said " Double the price their taking the P%ss"
Haha! That may be a slight paraphrase, Jim! Hope you're well mate.
The cavities didn’t appear to be cut and made continuous on the house, or a vertical damp cut in, if this isn’t done, then there will be a risk of damp travelling through the old external skin of the house through into the extension.
Hello Nick, hope you're well. You're right in the fact that there's no vertical damp, thankfully the building inspectors round this neck of the woods are in agreement with us that it's a load of rubbish and far more detrimental than advantageous!
@@Mr_A_Builders I’m good, lucky you have building control which are happy with this approach, as a building control surveyor myself, I would not be happy with cavities either not cut and made continuous, or a vertical damp installed, maybe because I’m in a coastal location and fairly exposed, and therefore wish to avoid damp soaking through and cold bridging occurring by the house wall remaining continuous into the extension with no break being made to stop this.
Ah, well there you go, coastal areas, totally different ball game and the precautions those areas need don't need to be enforced all over the country. That being said, vertical damp is a complete nonsense and causes so many more problems than the one it's trying to prevent.
I have never put a vertical damp or cut the cavities, as you say building control ( here anyway) says it’s nonsense so we don’t bother.! Never had any cold spots or damp travelling across….
Amen to that, Nigel! Hope you're well mate.
Good video
Nice 👍🏼
Our inspector let us put 120mm kingspan in floor and then we can use 100mm drytherm 32 Inso in cav.
Dont see what difference it makes mind 😂
No Virtual dpc
No mate, it's not a requirement round this neck of the woods.
yes ........
Hello Lee, hope you're well mate.
@@Mr_A_Builders yeah good thanks couldnt help myself after your comment lol ... id forgotten that ad ..... always like your content ....
Haha! Cheers man! I couldn't believe it when we went passed! Hope you're well mate, always great to hear from you.
Jasper lad you are alive, not in prison and not ran off with the mother in laws neighbours wife. See you Wednesday. As the man from Del Monte says ‘YES’.
Paulo! How are you?! Missed our chats! Thank you for watching mate!
@@Mr_A_Builders I’m good mate but I feel like the wife who’s been left with 6 starving kids since you left. I only came for the who should pay for the retaining garden wall and you grew on me. Hartley has been doing a fine job on the extension but needs to up his humour game, no man from Del Monte been walking past him. Take care mate.
Haha! Hartley! That's ace!
2 jobs a year? I was surprised to hear that.
Obviously it depends on the size of the job but if we are doing absolutely everything, right through to and including the decorating then it's not unusual for that to take 6 months.
so much for saving the planet then? 150mm cavity means bigger slab,equals more concrete, wider lintels means more steel and all the production elements into that..150mm insulation instead of 100mm etc etc.....i'm sure their going to say this reduces the heating costs of a building overtime .....
Hello mate, can't really argue with any of that!
Build in timber instead!! A PIR filled timber 120mm timber panel meets the new u-values for Part L
Man from delmonte 😂
Haha! I couldn't believe it when he walked past!!!
new regs on extensions are a lot lower than new builds. good idea but someone has to pay
The manufacturers/merchants are just price gouging whilst they can. Anytime something is stipulated it gives manufacturer/trade the justification to increase price
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Hello marc! How's things mate?
@@Mr_A_Builders good to see you back on our screens Adam , I can’t wait to see how your house is coming along 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻
Cheers mate!
BC are becoming more and more ridiculous year on year
BC don’t make the rules mate, they just have to work with them the same as everyone else.
nitemare all of it just sign on suck the work
It’s a thought. 👍🏻
Getting to a point where the walls are going to be so thick small extensions will be unbuildable. Else full cavities external insulation and insulated back boards?. Find out what the "real heat saving" is by use of high R Value materials which become too expensive justify to give a low U value. It is ridiculous, my LA whom I rent a house will not insulate my roof space because they cannot afford £300. Set of idiots, 20 years of no insulation that is 25% heat loss through my roof. How much energy is that?.
Hi guys, nice job but unfortunately I recommend you to hire charted architect for the future works as the devil is often in the detail. You have forgotten about the fundamental items like cavity trays and weep vents at slab level and above the window lintel. In that case the water from condensation will stay forever in the wall. That will cause mold in the future. On the top of that you have forgotten about DPM which should be sealed to DPC at the slab level. This is the reason why your work will cost much less than the work of professional builders.
Shop around you have been ripped off.
Where should I go then, Gareth?
Word of warning. Don't fit those cavity closers until the day you put the frames in. Bloody sun gets on them and they buckle up.
Cavity closers. A pain in the butt for Double glazing replacement if timber windows fitted. Get it wrong and plaster reveal gets disturbed or falls away.
@RAY Ponting yeah, those 80s houses with magnet and Southern windows.
I used to recip between the frame and plaster and cut the cavity closer. Either that or just trim it with 90