Is Engineering better in WOTLK Classic?
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With engineering you can also use the auction house bot in Dalaran. I saw that you forgot to mention that and I feel like it's a pretty important thing to mention.
Actually super nice
Yea good point mate, big convenience perk I use every day, how it slipped my mind i dont know. Will pin this comment though because its valuable for everyone to know, thanks mate.
@@Scottejaye no problem. Every time I make an alt without engi my muscle memory brings me to the bot and then I gotta take the portal of shame to Stormwind or Ironforge ;_;
haha so funny you say that, i literally run to that bot on my pala at least once a day and go "ffs wrong char"
Only in TOC patch and afterwards tho
Engi is the reason pretty much all min max horde side dps should be a troll. You pop potion of speed and your gloves at the same time to give you a very nice 850 extra haste, you think hit bezerking taking that 850 adding it to how ever much you have on gear and getting 20% extra. Now I here you say its only for 10 seconds but its not. build 5 combat points within that 10 secconds of bezerking np then snap shot your much higher than normal attack speed onto blade flurry, it gives you % of your attack speed at the time you use it extra for the duration, then you Slice nd Dice doing the same thing again. This way not only are you getting insane damage and attack speed at the very start of the fight but much higher attack speed than normal for the the next 40ish seconds via a much strong SnD.
Here is the math assume you have 250 haste from gear 250+850=1100+20%=1320. That is gear + potion of speed + hyperspeed + troll bezerking. 1320 = 40% extra attack speed, so your attack speed will become 140% for the 10 seconds bezerking lasts, blade flurry on top makes your attack speed 168%. Then you take that 168% and add 40% from SnD = 168+71 = Your new attack speed is 239% for the couple seconds left on the various haste buffs. More importantly you get to keep a slice and dice thats giving you 71% attack speed for the next 45 seconds.
If you happen to get both Bezerking weapon enchants proc before you slice and sice that is another 1000 haste so 2320=73% extra base attack speed meaning you would have 173% then 20% from Blood Frenzy making 212, then SnD 40% = 297% attack speed total during all buffs, but again more importantly a 45 second SnD giving you a massive +85% attack speed. Having such massive attack speed also effects PPM making your sword/axe procs in combat, the Berzerking weapon enchant and a (large amount of extra energy if Assasination), both specs get a lot of extra white damage and poison procs.
TLDR: Play troll its much higher dps than Orc, stack all haste buffs first then use flat attack speed buffs ontop. It is because of the SnD snapshot that pre bis rogues can out damage full t7 of any other class.
This makes sub 50 seconds and 7minet fights ideal as this same combo lines up perfectly 6minets into the fight. Never hold your cooldowns, You should be using potion of speed/hyperspeed gloves/blade flurry every 2min and Bezerking/AR every 3min.
They line up at the start and 6min in.
Ofc this is only important if you want to be top 99% in the logs. Or to make all the other dps in the raid feel bad about not deciding to roll rogue.
The only problem doing this is you must tricks of the trade the tank or you will aggro for sure. You start the fight with potion of speed as you run in and tricks on the tank, then begin your ss/muti spam and use macro to turn on the other buffs.
You or another rogue with better gear doing the same thing should always hystria 30% more physical damage when you have 300% attack speed is sick, like wize for even higher attack speed take a shaman in your raid and make sure his wind fury totem is next to you by the time you bladefurry.
I simmed the gloves enchant against blacksmithing gem sockets using rare gems. Blacksmithing is a LOT better. Given haste is my lowest weighted stat. Results may vary depending on spec, but not 100% correct for everyone. This difference will grow when we have access to epic gems.
Is there any real reason to be gnomish engineering in wotlk? Goblin seems to be the only one with a new item.
Love your content, you are so chilled and explain things well, best guides I've found tbh! thanks for the upload :)
Having a real hard time trying to justify the amount of pure G I'll lose having herbing on my druid.
I know I can have it on an alt, but flight form and herbing goes together like beer and gear.
Crusader Aura > Flight form, boost a pally to 70, get herbalism + mining or alchemy and enjoy printing gold
with the megaservers and bots, I don't expect open world herbing to be great for gold. Gathering profs will probably be used in instances for the most part. Stealthrunning normal dungeons with good nodes.
Gold is useless, only logs matter.
Heh this brings me back. Having the rocket boots backfire during prog never failed to generate a few giggles. Was also a Paladin so it was necessary.
Would have been nice to have a comparison between the engineering enchants with casual enchants
Hmmm you are right, i will be sure to add that in the overall profession overview i am working on which will give each class an idea what the bis proffs are for them. Cheers for the suggestion mate, definitely would of added value to this video!
@@Scottejaye can't wait to see that! I am very curious to see what feral druids gonna need! JC/Engi is what I heard so far
@@RoliRegenbogen yep. JC and engineering. Can't go wrong with it. Big gems and utility of engineering. Literally every melee class will have it
@@svilendenchev9984 but engineering utility in bear form is usually limited, does that change in wotlk?
@@RoliRegenbogen Oh yes. You can use nitros in bear form and it's glorious. Also Jeeves and other stuff, but most people will level to 405 and stop, cuz going beyond that brings less to the table
engineering is BIS for not dropping defile on your raid. Theres dozens of mechanics you can avoid/ignore with boots. rocket boots are why everyone has engineering. that is the main reason. Pair it with Jewlcrafting or blacksmithing for best stats.(its not that big of a deal) your second profession can be anything. This is coming from someone many years of wotlk private server experience, and i played wotlk during retail. Most guilds have engineering as mandatory for high end raiding.
What about for a spriest or mage? Eng and jc? Or is eng and tailoring a most for those two?
@@lawldep Yeah both combinations are good, although tailoring gives you more overall spell power.
@@svilendenchev9984 yea tailor is probably best. The only downside Is you can't use the cloak enchant from engineering with the tailer cloak enchant. But for raiding it's not really a big deal. Jewlcrafting gives you 3 34+ gems. Instead of the 20s so its 42 extra stats. The tailer cloak gives you a 125 spell power proc for 10 seconds.(I belive that's close to what it is without looking it up). Pretty minimal. The only thing that I would say is just run engineering on every character. Don't worry about your second profession that much. All the early game stuff from professions are useless after your geared in nax
340 * 12/60 = 68 haste from the glove tinker.
Technically it will average to be more, because you will likely use it early in the fight.
Love it, i think about a wotlk topic and you make a video about it
Actually working on it now, just not rushing it. I dont claim to be any big brain PvPer so i am talking to the top rankers in the wotlk pserver scene for info
Tbc eng for the chicken. Glad to see i can just keep lvling eng in wrath 😎
Don't underestimate the snap threat value of Engineering Explosives for tanks, especially for picking up adds.
True, but is threat even a thing in wrath? From memory anyway, you can just delete your threat meter.
@@homee0072 threat isn't really a thing in wrath. It was normalized and buffed massively between all tanks and absolutely a non issue.
@@Valvad0ss it is a thing but not really, it’s weird
No lol you use the +885 armor glove enchant
Threat is manageable if you have a hunter and rogue but you gotta watch your pumpers. Especially feral druids with the Hysteria buff
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Amazing video dude. Can you talk about the differences between Goblin and Gnomish Engineering in WOTLK?
really think this needs its own video but i think goblin lets you use sappers in wotlk so its better?
Besides diffs in prior expacs:
Goblins get sappers
Gnomes get x ray goggles
That’s it
Which one to pick gnomish or goblin engineering?
as UHDK pvp youre using Jwc and Tailor for snapshot gargoyle
I plan on going blacksmithing/engineering on my h paly but I think I’m going to lvl enchanting/engineering until I can lvl my alts to 80 that have mining/enchanting while there will be a lot of dungeon grinding enchanting is just super good for that
Gold cost to craft the motorcycle is 12.5k gold in just vendor mats. that's not including the stuff you can farm.
I know this was an early guide before Ulduar, buy it just got the jeeves recipe from mimiron trash!
my nitro boots shot me up twice in a 10 min span
Using bombs and gadgets cancels druid's forms in wotlk? And what about tbc?
It doesn’t cancel forms in WOTLK…
@@Scottejaye thanks! I definitely will give a chance then with my kitty druid!
@@aksolomun256 great choice mate; I love my Druid!
@@Scottejaye thank you , this means I’m most likely going eng on a moonkin for wrath 🐔💣
Sheesh I forgot about grinding those mobs for Jeeves 😂 good times
how is the combination of tailor and engeneering? i have the feeling tailoring closes the holes that engeneering brings
How is engi not as good for tanks, I mean I realize threat is pretty easy to hold in wrath, but with bombs and sappers no one in the world is catching you, and for non pallies it gives you some solid aoe threat options
Oh I agree mate like I said I would have engi on everything but I just feel a few bits aren’t as good on tanks such as nitro boosts, don’t get me wrong I’m sure there is a time and place for them even though and explosives are great for threat and extra damage I agree
@@Scottejaye your tank should always run rocket boots over anything. every person in your 25 man raid should be running rocket boots. theres too many mechanics to list that you can avoid with them. like defiles and red oozes on professor putricide. its too OP to not have
@@Scottejaye bro nitros are amazing for tanks. Hell if you don't have engineering on your character you are slacking. Plus the armor glove enchant is 70 stamina worth of effective health. A good tank runs engineering and a stamina profession(mining, JC, enchanting, blacksmithing)
All good points guys, defo cant disagree
What is the globe enchant I can’t find a reference ?
Engi like most other systems in wrath bring so much more to the table compared to vanilla and tbc. Gotto love it only ye the epic gems u need to wait for but can alrdy farm a bunch of mats for stuff u want i guess.
I really don't like things tbc, wotlk added so no. It makes the game to EZZ and retail minded. Like the motor bike, just no... But yeah 👍
maybe a stupid question, but can you put a blacksmithing socket on gloves in addition to a tinker?
You can mate yea
Absolutely. If you have bs and engi do so bro
is samekind of video for LW coming? (main is a drood with Engi (goblin)/ LW. =) And do they have synergy or antisynergy? Meaning "chants" used in same slots etc?
Yeah he is doing videos on all the professions
treethetree thanks:)
LW takes an enchantment slot on bracers, so not an issue with engineering. Also, cheaper leg enchantments for tanks, melee dps and hunters.
liked and sub mate. nice video :)
sad that you didn't make any mention of the chicken clucking for really insane dps increase for the group..
Honestly that ain’t changed since Classic vanilla, carried on in TBC and still remains in WOTLK but not really relevant now since Warcraft logs don’t even count logs with it being used now. So if you want to rank, using chicken is a no no.
So no stealth detection goggles this time around? I wear those suckers all the time as a rogue =(
do saronite grenades exist in wotlk? i used to use admanite grenades in bgs and wpvp but cant seem to find saronite grenades in the game even tho its on wowhead.
whats better for WOTLK Goblin or Gnomish engineering?
Hyperspeed Accelerators can be used in arenas ¿?
Yo Scotty, why don’t you cover for pvp/arena too?
What Jay said is right, i am not much of a PvPer tbh, never have been. I am however reaching out to all the top wotlk pserver arena players to collab on videos after xmas around PvP so at least the information is accurate and its not me just winging it :>
I wonder what mats are still needed in Wotlk from TBC but also Classic.
Aside from jeeves nothing really.
I just want the motorcycle lol
Do the old cables share a cd with the new gnomish knife?
Thank you for the informative video. The one I’m looking forward to is your video on how WoTLK changed rogue…. Since they go from being C/D tier in tbc to S-tier in WoTLK, not to mention all the new useful abilities like tricks of the trade (also boosts targets damage by 10% for 20 seconds on a 30 second cooldown, and it stacks)… or how broken poison builds are early on, fan of knives finally giving rogues an AOE that is arguably one of the strongest abilities in WoTLK.
Rogues are not c-d tier in tbc. Then you are really a shit player if you are down there. Just saying m8...
Rogue c/d?? Wut?
So are you planning to go on a fresh realm if it releases?
I plan on going jc/engi as pve rsham. Should I go gnomish for spec?
so, once you Wrath classic is out, will you go play cata p servers, just like you did when tbc released?
Definitely will be on the side yes, its not a negative thing, its the only way i can future proof the channel. It takes me somewhere in the region of a year to get all the content on from class guides, profession guides, pre bis etc and now achievements and everything else added in WOTLK. I cant do that when WOTLK comes out because by the time i get it all finished none of it is relevant anymore.
Cata is what ruined WoW forever. That is also when the Blizzard team spit up. The people who made WoW are gone forever now and they left right around WoTLK. I do not want a Cata classic. There is already a private server planned for Cata where they do not destroy the old world, do not destroy our glyphs, keep the talent trees and continue to expand upon them, do NOT add in RBGs, keep PvP resil the way it is. Thats where I will be going as soon as WoTLK classic is over and done with. Blizzard is headed down the exact same path as before. They are going to re release Cata and ruin Blizzard as a result. Blizzard came from having SC2 coming out and having WoW in a great state of 15 million subs and rising. After Cata prepatch, much of the Blizz team left and SC2 only went on based upon notes left behind. Now that Blizzard has ZERO RTS games and ZERO Dungeon Crawl hack and Slash games, there will be a 0% chance that the company will survive with a re release of Cataclysm. Soon as Cata classic comes out, Blizzard as a company will be gone forever. Thats only a couple more years from now.
So - the best way its to take the GNomish eng? for Wotlk as like for TBC- right?
Is the speed from the nitro boots gadget the same as nitro boots from tbc?
Will I be able to switch from Gnomish to Goblin by paying gold and not having to re - level engineering entirely?
Ehi mate thanks for this content. I have a question, atm levelling eng with my feral dps druid. Which spec would you choose? Gnomish or Goblin?
Defo goblin mate for sappers, battle chicken from gnomish invalidates logs now so kinda only one direction to worry about now.
@@Scottejaye thanks for the fast reply! But can I use sappers in cat form?
@@TubeYouLuca yea mate you can use everything in form now thank god 🙏
@@Scottejaye amazing 🤩
Can you use nitro boots in cat form? If you can I'm sold 100%
Engineering is pretty broken in Wrath for PvE. On my DK, I have the haste glove enchant and the armor glove enchant for tanking.
Engineering is required for all serious players. Even for tanks it is AMAZING. You can pop engi boots and then instantly swap to your normal stamina boots with a macro to get in position quickly for certain pulls.
so do I like go into melee every fight as mage to drop a sapper , is it worth that over a regular cast?
Tazik shocker a tinker?
Looks to me like the sappers require goblin engineering to use, and not just to make, is this the case?
Yep! Otherwise you would see EVERYONE walking around with them. It prevents abuse of CD's and makes sure that it's still a valuable quality of life rather than just another consumable
I heard on another channel that Engineering has been nerfed by Blizz, is this true?
In Wotlk can i change from gnomish to gobliningi without drop ingi to 0 points?
So alongside engineering what other profession will you be running on your feral scotty ? For pure dps
JC mate for sure
@@Scottejaye what profs should a hunter use in wotlk for pure dps?
@@cowee17 Shockingly engi jc
Most dps classes for the most optimal dps runs those 2 except for casters.
Which items can be used in Arena ?
what about chicken that gives 5% boost attack speed ?
Not mentioned because it invalidates logs
what level do you need to be to learn grandmaster tailor?
So does a spriest go gnome or goblin eng?
Does the 340 haste from the glove accelerators work for spell haste too? Or is it just melee
In retail it was both
The mechano hog sound has gotten so annoying for me I will never ever create that thing myself.
The professions that I will do for PVP will be Blacksmithing and Jewlcrafting for my Warrior (Best 3 Gems and can add more gems on gear with blacksmithing.
Engineering provides the enchantment on the belt and boots but it doesn't work in arenas that's why I won't use this profession. 👌🔥
But... Goblin or gnomish?
Hey man. I would really really like to know if the battle chicken is still a thing. Does it still work at 80?
Yea still works mate
@@Scottejaye is it haste rating or still 5% flat attack speed?
@@Crey_Rob Flat 5% still, but you can only have 1 of them up at a time, not sure if it gets made raid wide or just party though
@@jmz7825 only 1? That’s HUGE and might make goblin more worthwhile. As it stands in TBC, high tier raids groups will have 5 chicken buffs for bosses
@@Crey_Rob You can still use Battle Chicken as Goblin, but you need to be Gnomish to craft it.
Im working on my ret for wrath already and hes bs and eng. Couldnt imagine going into wrath with anything else. I wanted to main him in tbc, but I broke down and mained an enhance shaman to help my guild out.
Ret main is quite a lot of fun in TBC when you get used to the twisting mechanic tbh :)
jwc > bs
@@Trash-ef9hx I have jc on my warrior
@@Mccaid it’s worth taking JC just for the improved gems
Is there no lvl 80 sapper option for gnomish engineers?
No
Which speciality is best goblin or gnomish?
You can't use sappers as gnomish
Was haste in wotlk just one stat ? Or was it still two seperate ratings (melee, spell) like in tbc ?
Nah, both are haste rating.
In wrath there's no spell haste or melee haste, or spell hit and melee hit. It's just haste and hit.
I am curious if feign death + gnomish army knife would work for a clutch combat ress. You should have enough time to use the knife if you feign next to your dead raider, but im not sure if you have enough time for the cast, or if its interrupted when you re enter combat
@@zStC1 yea i thought so, would have been to good to have an extra combat ress. I guess this could have also applied to rogue and locks which would be way too much
WoTLK was the first Xpac that I hit gold cap multiple times. Some of it was done selling TCG items in the AH. SST and WWR. And the rest was done by flipping auctions on an AH alt. Then you have a toon just for mining and a toon that can engineer. You can be pumping out back to back to back mechanohogs on the AH. At least 2 per month is all you need. They go for about 20k back then so I would imagine it would be the same now. You also supplement your income by selling TLPD carries. You have a toon camped out there. No one buys the TLPD carry from you, you simply kill it so no one can have it. Easiest to sell these on a PVP server as you can log into a max level toon any faction and kill anyone who does not buy the carry for it if you want and then you can also sell it to both factions that way. Rets are god level in WoTLK better than they have ever been ever in WoWs history. A full epic geared ret could bring down more than one person with a single divine storm cast. DKs were second best and sometimes were equal. A level 60 ret paladin twink could kill most level 80s back in WoTLK and could solo an entire battleground. Fact. I know from experience. Most powerful twink in all of WoWs existence ever was a WOTLK level 60 ret.
And knowing Blizzard, they will announce Cata classic after WoTLK classic is over and they will lose over 80% of the subs. CATA was the beginning of the end for World of Warcraft and when WoW began to die all the rest of Blizzard began to follow. So.. Cata classic will be the end of Blizzard. Unless they are smart enough to NOT re release it and instead release a WoW 2 after that point.
But dont think so. I think it will be WoTLK classic then Cata classic will launch and that will be the end of Blizzard. They lost over 250,000 subs in the single prepatch for Cata thats how bad it was.
Go RET pally if you have one. Humans get the EMFH racial and it will STACK with your trinkets so you can use it back to back in arenas. A human retadin stacking resil and specced some into holy will be god mode and for S7,S8 they are SUPER good. I played a Blood Elf retadin back in the day. but going against a human ret in arenas.. yea no CCing one of those in WoTLK..
"Wraffff"
Engineering + Enchant is the best profession combination for big dmg but i stay enchant + tailoring since im in a pretty good always first id clear guild who gives a fuck about it :)
Enchanting is nice for casters, but most phys dps don't scale that well with ap as they do with strength or agility.
I mean enchanting is great for casters. It's great for tanks as well.
stop the hype! Play the game
All I’m doing is playing the game 😂 I can’t get enough
@@Scottejaye hahaha good point
First?
Take that bloody hat off…
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have always picked engi every xpac with every class no matter what, you be a fucking fool picking any other profession as it is so fucking fun to have, you can outplay people with nitro boost for world pvp and bgs, or to just survive some mobs, pyro rocket to keep those dirty rogues in combat from the distance while you spam laugh at them, stun bombs, frost bombs, nuke bombs rad mounts, other neat tools you can choose, and some fun trinket
I would liek to go engineer/jewelcrafting in wotlk. But id like to keep mining for a while ofcourse. Woudl you say engineer has the advantage over jewelcrafting at the start? @scottejaye