Part 1of2 Ecotech 2.4L Water Pump How to the Easier Way
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- Опубликовано: 27 июл 2019
- Part 1 of 2 Eco-tech engines are different, but they're common. This is good information to know when changing a water pump on one. When you need a speacialty tool for the job, you know some specialty information is worth having too. Tool → amzn.to/2YrD3rC control freak version → amzn.to/2SKbzMX Picks that won't put your peepers out → amzn.to/2Yr8xOO My favorite electric tool/ratchet of EVER! → amzn.to/310MiAM Magnet tool → amzn.to/2SU2Qb7
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I have nothing but respect for todays technicians who have to work on todays cars! The jobs on the 60’s that we thought were a bear were nothing. Dealers are now charging 200.00/ hr. A leaking water pump could very well total a car today especially on a high mile car with other needs!
I was just researching this, having an ecotech up in miles and seeing car wizards video recently, and must say, never have I ever seen such an in depth part replacement video, I mean you not only tell the head sizes, but also the bolt lengths and tips on how to get them out so they don't fall. Thanks so much for such a quality video here, earned a sub. I am thinking I might need to go into the timing cover soon, as I am getting knock when I start the engine, worried it might be the tensioner, but not sure. Also liking the ending footage. Ok now for part 2
I've been a tech for over 30 years. I've never done one of these and your tips were very helpful. I had the one I was doing on a lift (much faster). I would suggest a 10 mm deep magnetic socket (much faster).
An engineering design where you have to remove engine mounts and capture the timing to replace a water pump? No, just no. Excellent video but I'm sure GM doesn't want the consumer to know about this. Thanks for warning us about this headache.
Once you know how to do these, they're no big deal. Same goes for the starter under the intake manifold on a Toyota 4.7L. It's a straight up shock at first blush though.
Lots of cars have the water pump driven off the timing chain or belt, and require you remove the belt to get to it. At least this one we can do it without all that headache. Plus they last a damn long time anyway.
Stay away from Equinox Traverse Acadia etc...away from Chevy.
Unless you have a lot of money to pay for repairs(1000s$).
Thank me later.
@@sachsgs2509 You got that right. I have an Equinox with a 2,4 ecotec engine. What a headache.
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My patience was tested just watching
was thinking could do some preventative maintenance cause i have to do the alternator. apparently with these new generation cars no more pully. Instead Yikes, timing chain to water pump! i'll leave the old one in for now.
May I have one of those magnets by Scopes Magnum so I can pull my sockets out when they fall thanks you can send it to 678 Granada road Memphis Tennessee 38 109
Incredibly so!
Great video my friend I never would have tackled this job if I hadn't seen this
I can't wait for part 2.
I never liked them when I first saw one. Now I like them even less. Thank you for posting this video & your love for mechanical work.
Good information! Looking for Part 2.
Great video. It really helped me be prepared for this difficult repair. I was working on a 2013 equinox awd. Had a lot of trouble with the bottom converter bracket. It took a 15mm crows foot, 24 inch extension, and a lot of patience.
Just got that same bracket off after fighting with it for days. Started with a 12 point socket and rounded off the 13mm. Then tried a 6 point on an impact and rounded it off. Tried rounded socket extractors in 13 and rounded it more. Tried filing flats on it to get it to 12mm and gave up and started to use an osciscillating tool to cut the head off. Blade dulled and before running out to get another I tried pounding on a 12mm extractor socket and it finally came loose. No idea why that bracket bolt was so tight, everything else, even the rusty cat bolts came out fine.
Very helpful helping me see what i could not, good lookin out.
I had a jumped timing chain on my 2.2 L61 Z22YH in my 2007 Holden/Opel Astra a few years back, so I thought I might as well do the lot, both chains, guides, tensions, waterpump, thermostat, seals , oil pump impeller, as I did not want to do many small repairs in the future.
The old water pump - which was fine - had a plastic impeller they have bad rep, the new one is metal. The car was about 12 years old at the time an the service history was lacking, so I made the assumption the guy I brought it from had not really taken care of it. I also replaced all cooling hoses, fuel lines and others.
I used all OEM parts. So far so good.
I got tired of looking for quotes so I am going to do it myself. Thanks for the helpful vid! Wish me luck lol
I HATE HATE HATE these crap boxes. I've never had a vehicle kick me in the nuts so many times despite absolute to-the-tee maintenance since purchased new. Our 2012 Malibu has needed in all its 70,000 mile life: a complete timing overhaul, an exhaust manifold, an exhaust flex joint, a rear brake caliper rebuild, an emergency brake pedal assembly, a front wheel bearing, two power mirror switches, two front door speakers, a trunk release button, and a rear defroster tab repair. If I wasn't doing all my own work, the repairs would have exceeded the value of the car twice over. GM corporate sucks. No help whatsoever, just a "sorry, go fork over a couple thousand to your local dealer."
Sorry dude I've had a 12 malibu from 80k to 158k and no problems thank god
damn i've had a few of the same issues youve had as well
You got that right. I have a 2012 equinox, with 78000 miles that already have to had the timing chain replaced, and the front seal. What is next? The water pump, witch a disaster to replace. It burns 4 quarts of oil between oil changes. Had to have the windshield wiper linkage repaired 3 times. because the linkage came apart. What where these engineers thinking when they engineered this engine? They had to have been drunk.
fantastic work. greats explination. Great details man. Keep it up!!!
Love all ur videos bro!
Ugh, thank you for alerting me to never accept a job for a GM 2.2 litre ecotech. Miss the days of wrenching on a good old 3800.
A thousand apologies it's the 2.4L I fat fingered that one this morning at 5am. I fixed the title.
sansosuke2999 , I.m dating myself but I was remembering the 250 ci straight 6 :)
I like the tips you have in the trade. Clearly very knowledgeable and level headed. Keep em coming man!!
almost seems like a rebuild of the motor would be easier ! ? WTH were they thinking , pull the motor to check the oil I guess ! Great video Brian Thanks no GM for me
Easier to assemble, all that the designers were told to care about. The poor grease monkeys maintaining it get paid by the hour at the stealership, so making it a long service works out well for the stealership. Only losers are the customers and the independent mechanics, and Got your Money does not care about them.
At least unlike a Honda and many others you don't have to actually take the timing chain out to get to it.
@@SeanBZA Us "greasemonkeys" at the "stealership" aren't paid by the hour. We are paid book time which pays 4.2 hours for one of these pumps. If it takes 2 hours, or 20 hours, we are only paid the 4.2 So please stop talking shit about something that you don't know about. We don't make money hand over fist on jobs like this, like you people think we do.
Jeff become your own boss don’t feel sorry for you
@@alphape8491 Nobody said anything about feeling sorry for me. I am quite happy with my pay and what I make at the end of each week. I was explaining how flat rate works. I don't know where you get that I wanted to be felt sorry for. Only thing I don't like is when someone looks down on an industry and doesn't know anything about it. And I don't want to be my own boss or own a shop. Not worth the hassle. Have a great day
Such an excellent video..Have replaced H2O pumps on everything we ever owned; but, not doing this one!
Gonna be someone else's headache. 2013 LaCrosse Leather hybrid son of a gun.
Thank you for the heads up!
Nice to se an familiar engine on this channel, (SAAB owner) 93 SC. Havent have any problem whit my engine yet. Rocking 23 000 Km on the gauge.
That's right! The 9-3, 9-3X, and the 9-5 all use the Eco-tech 2.4L. Glad you like it.
Same story in my 05 Cavalier, haven't had to do hardly anything to this engine other then regular maintenance and a few other odd repairs. 163K on the odometer.
Thanks for helping And Good Job..
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Great videos!!! Thank you!👍🏿👍🏿
This is a spectacular video! Not only does it show exactly how to do the job, but it also serves as proof that engineers and designers really do hate repair people! This has to be one of the worst designed engines ever!
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If you're really worried about bolts dropping in the timing cover you could always make the hole bigger on the water pump sprocket holder, slide a piece of pipe into it that goes right over the sprocket bolt, then insert the socket into the pipe. Bolt will slide right out the pipe and not into the engine.
Smart thinking James! Thanks!
I am changed yesterday .I am removing front cover exhaust easy to change.
Nice work on this one Brian.
The only other water pump replacement & repair nightmare that's worse than this one can be found on the Ford V-6 they put in the Edge & other Ford products. There's no way to tell if the water pump is leaking in the Ford because the pump weeps the coolant directly into the crankcase.
The transversely mounted engine configuration complicates damn near every repair. In some cases it's necessary to drop the entire engine out the bottom to gain access to the timing chain. Total crap!!
Great video
They sell the sockets with a built in magnet works amazing for this type of jobs
You're damn right that magnetic 10 honestly was beyond helpful, but if you have the circular tool that fits all the way around instead of the half moon, the flange on the bolt will give it no slack to fall into the timing cover. Either way that mag 10 is worth having for this job.
Love seeing your videos. You gave me
A lot of odds and ends of Subarus how to. Either you had most of the info or the gold nuggets needed.
First job was doing 5th gear replacement in Subaru.
Then pulling engine of course!
Appreciate you briansmobile1!
This goes for the LSJ, LNF, and all the variations of the 2.2.
(from my experience)
Hey I put the chain holder on (the blue thing ) and I got the bolts out but they were at the bottom of the blue thing instead the top . When placing the bolts back in is it possible for me to rotate the engine to get those bolt holes up top if I keep the blue timing chain holder on
Hi brian... i was wondering how to remove the bolt in the back hiding near the exhaust... i need help
Thanks so much for posting this. About to swap the water pump on a 2008 hhr ss.
Why can't you touch that gear thing to anything?
What is the cross pipe called coming from the thermostat to the pump the one that runs behind the motor?
Thanks!
LOL - been there, done that. I shouldn't laugh, But been there done that a few times with the A.C. rapid discharge....
Full moon tool worked best for me.
I have a 2009 Chevy Cobalt. Would this procedure work on my vehicle
Can i fix it without removing the pulleys and timing chain cover?
How about using tape magnet to wrap around the end of the socket when removing?
That slime is freon, very very dangerous. i would have never know detroit would make a cuple like that. wow. thanks for showing part 1 and 2 great job. what a night mare to repair.
Welcome!
I just did one on my car but i saw i was leaking from the timing cover and figure just redo the pump the gasket and found that a timing guide was broken and replaced it. Saved my self an engine
You need to edit the actual water pump bolts you said too remove were the wrong ones. There were all 13 mm bolts. I ended up breaking a bolt that I thought I removed but was not. No biggy figured it out. Just thought I let you know. Great video other wise 👍👍
Great job.very helpful really appreciate you
How did you get the bolt out in the top on the pump? Please need help!
WHERE DID YOU GET THAT CONSTANT PRESSURE HOSE CLAMP TOOL??? Mine all suck. (craftsman, Matco, some off of Amazon one....)
What's the info on the pliers.... it's not in the description?
Can you list the timing tool used to keep the timing about for moving?
Man that is not an easy water pump to replace 😝👍
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Yeah idk what's going on but I have the 3 bolts out and the long 13 mm one I've been prying on and it's not popping the water pump off
Is it possible that the pump is bad but not leaking? I have a 2010 2.4 that gets hot. I’ve changed the thermostat and hours of burping. Still gets hot. Engine is not missing. I’m guessing the pump is not pumping and no flow.
What aftermarket brand pump are you installing?
Hello, do you respond to comments? Ive currently put in my new water pump but i cant figure out where to put all the bolts back into the pipe connecting to the thermostat, i really need help
What a nightmare, I miss the older cars
P.s. not working on anything- but i appreciate the knowledge
So you added coolant fluid threw the reservoir?
Would a water pump lubricant additive had prevented this?
What do I do if I drop the bolts into the timing chain how do I get them out
Can i use a magnetic socket to remove those bolts 🤔
Hello! Why did you disconnect the air conditioner pipe ?!
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What kind of gloves you wearing?
It's easy to drop the bolts with that tool because I also have it. There's a new style that's a full circle that ya can't drop the bolts
wow thats evile thanks gm. easy way walk no run away.3800 pump 5minutes whats book time on that?
Would it be beneficial to stuff a rag in the pully housing below the pully in case a bolt is dropped?
that's what I'm about to do right now
Do you still need the tool if you take the whole timing chain cover off
Just to let everyone know if your on a lift no need to take thermostat housing and ect off to get tube out of back of water pump, quarter in drive tools work the best, all I did was take hose off of thermostat housing lifted it and got all three bolts from underneath then popped it right out of water pump
Do have to take the catytic converter out of the rear of the engine. I'm taking the water pump out of a 2013 Chevy Captiva
im watching it n me i ask ur help? i remove water pump but still there is a sounds
How many hours to replace the water pump Brian 🤔 and how much is the labor to replace it 🤔 🤓
You didn't have to remove the exhaust manifold?
There's a bolt hidden near the exhaust, how the heck do I remove it?
Im currently working on one of these. I'm doing the timing chain at the same time. I've pulled every bolt out of the water pump and it still will barely budge. Thermostat housing is out and everything. I don't know what to do since every video just says to pull it straight out. Tried using a prybar and prying it off, no dice. Tried punching it out with a hammer, still nothing. It's like its welded to the damn thing.
the top right bolt that holds the pump (around 14:30) isn't the 10mm, it's the 13mm just above.... you can leave the 10mm there
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i went to amazon and its tool is full circle you bolt to housing and to sprocket and then remove the 3 bolts holding sprocket to water pump being full circle you cannot drop the bolts into the engine
why does the video skip when showing bolts location and removal is that the not bottle feeding part mentioned?
Whats the chances of the leak being at the o-ring on the tube connecting to the pump?
18%
Have you ever seen bearings seize in a water pump fail in such a way that the ball or needle bearings get drawn into the coolant stream, into the engine?
I've seen piston connecting rod bearings fail a plenty from coolant contaminated oil or the lack of oil. Sure. Main bearings the same. Seen I seized water pump bearings pissing hot into the coolant stream- into the engine? Nope. Not so common- how about you?
@@briansmobile1 No, but somebody asked me this week and I had to say I didn't know. It seems more likely the bearings would explode onto the pavement.
Generally they are there as brown powder, not seen any that went in, more were dropped on the road as chunks when that pump seized.
changed Ford ones at the roadside, went out and seized 12km from town, drove in gently and stopped at the garage at 20 to 6. Went to the spares place right there, after going across the road to FORD, and they had one at the other branch. Arrived 5 past 6, and we compared the new "second source" to the one in there, and fitted it there and then at the garage. They asked where the car was, and we told them it was the red one by the pump. He said he never saw anybody get those water pumps out so fast. Experience, plus my friend is a qualified mechanic, and we have done a few water pumps, plus more engine overhauls, on that particular model engine, seeing as it was a package engine for machinery where we were.
I wanted to change the timing chain with all the fixins, when my mec called me and told me that the water pump was a 3 hour extra work because it isnt in the front with the timing chain i had to look it up...
What if its whining what do i do??
I work at auto shop tho so just depends on if you wanna waste time or not guy replaced thermostat not too long ago no need to replace it
will that work for 2.2 engine
The one thing you said I didn't want to happen, happened (eye-roll). I had someone doing the work following your instructions when he got ahead of himself despite my objection. I was trying to tell him he was skipping a step (By not using the magnet tool) when...
Bam! It happened he dropped a bolt inside. I was livid, to say the least. Can you recommend a video or webpage that will instruct me on how to get that bolt out? PLZ & thaNx!
Best thing to do is pull the timing cover without moving the engine. This video has a good engine out explanation. ruclips.net/video/2hScoa75q7A/видео.html Best of luck!
Does anyone know if this is for other gm 4 cylinders? I have some customers with the 2.4 but also some 2.0
I know for a fact that the sprocket holder tool and overall process for the 2.2 is the same as the 2.4. I've done both. I don't know about the 2.0. It should be the same though.
@@doug960 my boss has the tool for the older ecotec engines from mid 2000s I wonder if they are the same tool
@@3991melkoun Can confirm. I used my father's tool from his 2004 Malibu 1ls on my fiance's 2012 1LT.
you mean to left corner on the bolt removal
I dropped my mechanics mirror once, that was the result.
i just pulled my 2.4, thru the top, in no time at all. i had a timing chain issue, metal shavings, all the good stuff blah blah. NO SPECIALTY TOOLS OR LIFT REQUIRED FOR ANYTHING. i own the manual and lets just say they are proper. interference engine.... absolutely. first i pulled the head, like butter, no fancy tools, forget timing shit we r talking one bicycle chain with 3 super obvious marks. keep it moving, it all looked acceptable, i got a new timing chain kit and head gasket for it. there are 2 chains one turns balance shafts and the water pump the other new slides guides and tensioner. back together with the old tty bolts... it fired right up.......nasty knock metal to metal wtf no check engine no misfire no issues.....next the rpm guage quits engine stalls......no start.....pulled the crankshaft sensor,runs like a champ no rpm though....start it a hundred times no shit... it starts one day shuts off,to never crank again.....no time for drama i pulled the plugs after i couldnt even turn it with a wrench 4 plug flattened by force.....result after pulling head AGAIN? piston literally exploded......i know im just a guy talking but if u have an interference engine and it fails, throw it away and get one that hasnt jumped yet! again JUNK! many good reusable parts to keep but dont roll the dice. moral yes by the book is best, but u need no specialty tools for this job u dont need a lift this engine easily comes out the top and if u r doin a water pump why not time this engine? scratch that specialty tool and all those hard to reach fancy swivel tools and pliers and literally bs steps. if the water pump went u r already rollin the dice with this engine,plus its so easy to just fix it u save but spend on things u need like tty bolts head gasket vvt solenoids cam phasers etc.....DO NOT BUY THINGS TO BE PROPER,and if ur water pump is driven by the timing chain why wait? GREAT VIDEO, VERY PROPER, THANK YOU FOR THE TIME U SPENT TO TAKE THOSE STEPS.
Welcome!
Thank you for this video, but toward the end when you said it’s a 10mm to remove the pump you were incorrect twice. They are 13mm on the front of the pump and there are 2 and then 2 on the back. Spent a good 30 mins trying to figure that out 🤦🏻♂️
I droped and bolt in there. How do I get it out
Did u ever get the bolt out?
I am having trouble wiggling the pump out
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There is another special tool that fills the opening so the bolts can't fall in to the engine.
Now I know to never accept a water pump job on this engine .
Dude come on, I'm about to try this just to save money. This is the fun stuff.
@@WavesofMagenta I'll bet you'll save a wheelbarrow full.
The catalytic converter wasn't in the way ?
Dang did ya have to put the word extraction in your video? Sorry i cracked a crown and got an infection so they had to, dare I say it, extract the rest of the tooth.
Almost died, but that's a story for another day back to the video.
Never underestimate the power of a well used mirror to find hidden bolts.
Love the bonus footage.