This is obviously the ideal format for relating history. Take two intelligent people, neither overspecialised in a particular period of history, both witty. One prepares a presentation and shares notes with the other. The one who takes the lead relates the narrative. The other comments and asks questions. Always there is consciousness of the humanity of the people whose lives are being lived through these turbulent times. This episode was particularly moving. Just so so good.
I have just come across your podcast literally one about 4 or 5 hour ago and I have quite literally been watching nonstop. This is top tier history here and it has been an absolute pleasure to listen too
My dad and I are long time supporters from Memphis. Hampton Sides, whose book you referenced, was one of his high school classmates. We really enjoyed hearing the opinion of our home from the perspective of two British historians. These are events that he lived through and are forever intertwined with the city. Among our great cultural sights like Graceland and the Stax and Sun music studios, there is the excellent Civil Rights Museum, which is attached to the Lorraine Motel and includes MLK’s room and the room from which James Earl Ray fired the shot.
Your self-deprecation, achieved by friendly banter, goes a long way to making even the most ernest of subjects somehow palatable to either side of the argument. As a pensioner, I would say that your chemistry is pretty well unique in broadcasting. Well Done!
It’s wonderful to hear such an in-depth exploration of the politics around MLK from British historians. As an American I think we need the rest of the world’s views to give us better perspective on the issue of race, which is still so unresolved in our politics and culture.
It is noticeable that "The Rest.. " talks about topics like the Nazis or the French Revolution, the praise from most American viewers is unstinting. When the subject touches on certain parts of American history, the responses in the comments here can be quite prickly. Like for instance the American Civil War (a mere 160 years ago). The presenters are told that they are biased, that they don't know what they are talking about. Thank you for your excellent comment. We all learn a lot by seeing ourselves as others see us.
Thank you for a thoroughly informative and fascinating episode. I recently discovered your podcast, and I am besotted. I appreciate your fascinating discussions on variety of intriguing issues and people and your courage to cover controversial subjects with objectivity. Thanking you from North Carolina 🇺🇸.
Even here in Australia, we heard of Kings murder and we also heard the ABC broadcast Kennedys speech. I remember my father, a Judge in Sydney listening to it with tears in his eyes. He said to us. "America is doomed."
42:23 BTW, "yams" in the US are sweet potatoes. Candied yams are sweet potatoes baked with a sweet topping. Turnip greens are, oddly enough, the green leaves from a turnip plant. I like to combine them with other bitter greens like collard greens or kale and cook them with bacon or tahini. Hopefully, Tom and Dom will be able to try some good Southern food when they visit the US.
@@restishistorypod Oh it was such a pleasure! I think I made my son a lifelong Mozart and Beethoven fan. It was such fan. I wish there were more shows like that.
Thank You two. I learned some new things such as they nabbed James Earl Ray in London and that he wanted to flee to Rhodesia. Also as someone who lives in the DC Area that the areas affected by the riots really didn't start recovering from those riots until the 1990's during the administration of Mayor Tony Williams.
Is the case against Ray really that cut and dry? How did an convict who escaped to Mexico, return to the U.S. in November 1967, criss cross the country multiple times, commit this murder, travel to Canada, get a Canadian Passport, travel to London, take a trip to Portugal, back to London where he was apprehended, without any help? I believe even the King family have doubts.
In an not so recent Documentary by the superb Rich Hall (they are all on RUclips and definitely worth watching) he speaks to one of MLKs friends who was with him on the balcony when the assassination occured. The Gentleman tells Rich Hall 'Sadly, you can kill the dreamer, but I hastily tell you, you cannot kill the dream.' That's always stuck with me.
My dad is from Chicago, and he has stories about how hated King was in the city among whites for trying to integrate white neighborhoods. To the point that being in a bar when the news of his assassination broke, there were more than a few cheers. He also mentioned a massive national guard presence the next few days right on the municipal borders of Chicago at least in Oak Park and Cicero to prevent any potential rioters from crossing over into mostly white suburbs, too.
At 21:40, I was 10 y/o at the time & I remember hearing that the sanitation workers weren't given gloves for work as well as no facilities to wash their hands for lunch. In the late 90's, I worked with a cop who responded to the MLK riots in Harlem. He said that when they got to the precinct there, they all were given a box of ammo, (A box conrains 50 rounds; at that time, a cop was issued only 18 rounds to be carried on his person. Today it's 45 + rounds.) by the Desk Officer & next to the Desk were 2 garbage pails. One was full of new unused police batons, the other held broken batons so if/when you broke yours, you could drop off your old one & get a replacement.
i grew up during those troubling times, suffered through the cuban missle crisis, JFK's assassination, Bobby's murder, Viet Nam (sweating out being drafted as I entered high school). Along with King's murder, the free love decade with hippies (although my only part was wearing bell bottom jeans my mother bought in small town Kansas), lots of great rock and roll and a self destructing family that's led to my sorry state these days. I remember the bias of television, the almost total lack of other races where I lived and the complete avoidance of my parents speaking of any of it. I just accepted it all as normal. Now 50+ years later and the reality is not much has changed (other than the climate for which I have witnessed closely as eastern kansas has sort of dried up. The only thing thats really different is how well most of us can sidestep racial, gender and abortion issues as long as we dont have to see another race in our communities while proclaiming a need to make america great again. I hate to break it to many but our country hasn't been great since the end of ww2. We've completely let down all that death and sacrifice our ancestors suffered through. That's why I love this channel. They just talk about what happened.
American here, born in 1973. I never had a clue that MLK had such a strong economic justice mission until I was well into adulthood. Neither was I told or taught that he had such a rough time in the north, and not just in the south. Clearly after the Civil rights movement the US let itself off the hook for so many aspects of its racial history. And we're paying for it now with our absolutely toxic and self defeating politics.
Did apple podcasts take this episode down? I saved this episode on my list a few weeks ago. I got a message saying it was unavailable when I tried playing it this morning.
RFK quoted the poet Aeschylus: God, whose law it is that he who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget, falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despite, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.
Magic shaving powder is still a thing that can be purchased today in the US. When water is added, it becomes a depilatory and used for razor bumps and ingrown hairs.
So looking forward to your visit to LA this month! If perchance you are thirsty, I'm sure Tom in particular would appreciate a local brew called 'Pliny the Elder'. I can bring some to the show. When you get back to your hotel room after a hard evening of historytalking, I can imagine you enjoying a sip or two. For some reason, I also have a mental image of you together in the Morecambe &Wise apartment. Can't shake that one.
All the southern food mentioned is great except the chitterlings. I have never had pigs feet so I cannot comment on that. Corn pone is a pancake-shaped bread of cornmeal, water, and salt. With butter it is delicious. I am from Alabama.
A side detail: in the 1968 rioting in Baltimore Spiro Agnew, Governor of Maryland, threatened looters they would be shot by deployed MD National Guardsmen. This brought him national prominence. One year later he was VPOTUS.
Why are so many of you in the USA so thin skinned😂?? Also, what a bizarre and irrelevant take to have after listening to a fantastic historical podcast and discussion…
Great funky vibes in '68 might have been Jimi Hendrix and Iron Butterfly but you also had Des O'Connor in the UK and the Tijuana Brass in the US. Pick a soundtrack. Big thanks to the team and our two Uber-talented presenters.
As much as I love your channel, I disagree wholeheartedly on your assessment of King's assassination being "one of the most clear cut". To me, there's more evidence of FBI involvement in King's death than there is in JFKs. You should considering doing a dive into some of the literature around it.
Tom seems quite certain about the internal motivations of MLK. Really? Do you think the primary impetus behind his decade -long struggle was to be remembered as a prophet? Isn't it more likely that he simply was morally offended by the systemic injustices faced by Black Americans and felt compelled to speak out against them, even if it meant he would be persecuted and ultimately murdered for doing so? One might believe that he sought martyrdom, as if that might in some way diminish his impact on history by painting his stand as prideful in some way, but it's just as likely that he saw that his destruction was inevitable and so there was no point in turning away from the martyr role that had been thrust upon him if it meant it could lead to advances for Black people.
With respect, I don’t think you understood Tom’s framing of MLK as a prophet. He is not suggesting that MLK thought of himself as a prophet to be “remembered” or to gain the praise of men. To be a prophet in the biblical sense is to have a message from God that must be shared, that you have a moral duty to preach the message. Jeremiah would be good example of this, ‘But if I say, “I will not mention his word or speak anymore in his name,” his word is in my heart like a fire, a fire shut up in my bones. I am weary of holding it in; indeed, I cannot.’ Jer 20:9. To be a biblical prophet is to speak out against injustice in obedience to a calling from God. A true prophet has to speak out, he can’t hold it in. When you say to be, “morally offended” and “compelled to speak out,” this is exactly how biblical prophets such as Isaiah, Jeremiah and Ezekiel described themselves. Except that from a Christian conviction prophets are not compelled simply by their own intuition or sense of fairness but by the word of God. The prophets chief motivation is not adulation or legacy but it is obedience to God. I don’t think Tom is unfair to frame MLK in this way because this is exactly how MLK presented himself in his speeches. Positioning himself as a new Moses. Tom and Dominic even quoted the speech where he does this.
I would love a video series from you two Brits about the end of slavery in Britain vs. the continuation of slavery by different names in British colonial territories, and the long road to healing racial divides going up to the end of racial apartheid (segregation by a different name) in South Africa in the 1980s.
Has any great just and noble cause ever stopped on achieving its stated goals? Gay marriage was the final triumph of a long struggle ... we thought. Now we have drag queens in libraries and youngsters losing healthy body parts etc. Is it always so? Who among us could stop at the very moment the spigot of corporate donations finally flows?
Conrpone, it's basically just cornbread, just slightly different ingredients (leading to a different texture, what have you). Mark Twain wrote an interesting essay called "Corn Pone Opinions."
thanks for another riveting presentation - you bring it alive - i was 16 and living in Canada as the gut wrenching news arrived. It was one more blow to a nation already in big trouble.
James Earl Ray lived a vagrant life, was often skint, probably slept rough and yet he had the wherewithal to drive a Ford Mustang, pay his fare to the UK, maintain digs there, have the knowledge to rob a bank by himself and our lads didn’t find that worthy of comment. Critical Thinking skills were on holiday for this episode.
Although I love the rest is history they have massively brushed over James Earl Rays guilt and just said it to be the most clear cut with clearly having done no research on it as if they did they would have found it’s the least clear cut and most likely that a conspiracy took place. This was for a number of reasons; such as the bullet not matching the gun that James Earl Ray was meant to have fired from, a tree being in the way of the window he was meant to have shot from which was cut down by local police the night following the shooting, virtually everyone at the scene not saying that the shot came from where it was meant to have come from (including most of the people with King which Dominic wrongly said the contrary), and the actual logistics of how he was meant to have taken the shot on top of a bathtub out of a high window being virtually impossible. This is not even circumstantial this is hard evidence, and is so clear cut that a court in the 1999 after over 70 witnesses corroborated the King family’s story, awarded the King family money after they sued saying it was a government conspiracy with the court arguing that Kings death was likely the result of a government conspiracy. Although based on the evidence many conspiracies are probably unlikely like the JFK one, some including this one are exceedingly likely to be the case. I would encourage Dominic and Tom to research themselves into this.
Martin Luther King was undoubtedly a great man and a towering historical figure in American history, but let's not start mythologizing him. First of all, a significant portion of his greatest speeches were plagiarized. (All historians now agree that this this is true, just google it.) And he didn't just have a "mistress" -- he was an inveterate womanizer. The FBI has a recording of him having a sex party in a hotel with his aides and number of hookers and this tape will be released in 2027. (Again, just google it.) It was this tape that the FBI was using to suggest to him that he should kill himself. There have been rumors (which are probably nothing more than that) that the tape reveals a woman being raped. If that turns out to be true, however, it will cause massive trauma in the US.
Please leave Elvis out of it 😂 I hadn't realised Reagan was involved with politics then (if it's the actor come President). I am English btw...so that's my excuse.
Republicans indeed made big gains in the 1966 midterms, but it should be noted that even after that election, the Democrats still retained a 248-187 majority in the House and a 64-36 majority in the Senate.
I've notice that they say Sinai as si-knee-eye consistently on this channel. Is this actually a more correct pronunciation than the two syllable version I hear everywhere else?
In Hebrew the name is Har Sinai with Sinai pronounced exactly as we do in American English (Sigh nigh). I have no idea where they got this extremely idiosyncratic pronunciation
I graduated in 1967 from St. Mary’s Episcopal School in Memphis, and returned from the University of Chicago for spring break early in April 1968. so I was in Memphis in the days leading up to April 4th, and on a plane back to Chicago when the assassination happened. when I landed and heard what happened, I immediately thought it has been financed by wealthy white men, and that I probably knew some of them, based on what I had heard that week from some of my friends’ fathers. And then I was in the midst of riots and fires in the south side of Chicago.
A good episode that is derailed by a strange diatribe about soul food and what product Dr. King used to shave his face. What a weird rambling five minutes that was.
Derailed? I find the asides in this(and other) episodes of TRIH interesting and add to the always very substantive discussion. There are lots of very dry history channels out there if that's your poison
@@danknight8297 If giggling at the idea of a streched diet and a different hair product is your idea of anitidote then go off, milord. I see no reason to laugh at a 30-somethings diet or razor whislt barely touching upon many other facts but please tell me what Churchill said.
No, it's part 2 of a series on 1968 America looking at parallels to today in the run-up to next week's election. Part 1 was Vietnam and Johnson's withdrawal from the presidential race, Part 3 will deal with RFK's assassination. Part 2 is MLK's assassination. Do you think they shouldn't cover that?
This is obviously the ideal format for relating history. Take two intelligent people, neither overspecialised in a particular period of history, both witty. One prepares a presentation and shares notes with the other. The one who takes the lead relates the narrative. The other comments and asks questions. Always there is consciousness of the humanity of the people whose lives are being lived through these turbulent times. This episode was particularly moving. Just so so good.
I have just come across your podcast literally one about 4 or 5 hour ago and I have quite literally been watching nonstop. This is top tier history here and it has been an absolute pleasure to listen too
Absolutely.
Can’t get enough of this channel, keep up the good work fellas!
Thank you !
Dominic's loving religious jabs at Tom will never get old.
My dad and I are long time supporters from Memphis. Hampton Sides, whose book you referenced, was one of his high school classmates. We really enjoyed hearing the opinion of our home from the perspective of two British historians. These are events that he lived through and are forever intertwined with the city. Among our great cultural sights like Graceland and the Stax and Sun music studios, there is the excellent Civil Rights Museum, which is attached to the Lorraine Motel and includes MLK’s room and the room from which James Earl Ray fired the shot.
Your presentation had me on the edge of the chair as I relived the events of Dr. Martin Luther’s assassination. Well done, gentlemen.
You guys make a wonderful team for this episode with Tom's religious knowledge and Dominic's political knowledge.
Your self-deprecation, achieved by friendly banter, goes a long way to making even the most ernest of subjects somehow palatable to either side of the argument.
As a pensioner, I would say that your chemistry is pretty well unique in broadcasting.
Well Done!
This was an emotional one , well done guys . I highly recommend visiting the Lorraine Motel ...... one of your greatest podcasts yet !
It’s wonderful to hear such an in-depth exploration of the politics around MLK from British historians. As an American I think we need the rest of the world’s views to give us better perspective on the issue of race, which is still so unresolved in our politics and culture.
We need a lot of help on the issue of race. The Brits don’t exactly have a shining history on race from which to learn.
It is noticeable that "The Rest.. " talks about topics like the Nazis or the French Revolution, the praise from most American viewers is unstinting. When the subject touches on certain parts of American history, the responses in the comments here can be quite prickly. Like for instance the American Civil War (a mere 160 years ago). The presenters are told that they are biased, that they don't know what they are talking about. Thank you for your excellent comment. We all learn a lot by seeing ourselves as others see us.
I can't stop listening to MLK's Mountaintop Speech now. What a supremely inspiring and commanding figure he was.
An absolutely riveting episode, the best one so far.Well done chaps an important piece of history not often told.
Thank you !
Thank you for a thoroughly informative and fascinating episode. I recently discovered your podcast, and I am besotted. I appreciate your fascinating discussions on variety of intriguing issues and people and your courage to cover controversial subjects with objectivity. Thanking you from North Carolina 🇺🇸.
Thank you !
Great comment.
Even here in Australia, we heard of Kings murder and we also heard the ABC broadcast Kennedys speech. I remember my father, a Judge in Sydney listening to it with tears in his eyes. He said to us. "America is doomed."
I've heard that a lot in the last couple of days.
Really well done. Subscribing.
42:23 BTW, "yams" in the US are sweet potatoes. Candied yams are sweet potatoes baked with a sweet topping. Turnip greens are, oddly enough, the green leaves from a turnip plant. I like to combine them with other bitter greens like collard greens or kale and cook them with bacon or tahini. Hopefully, Tom and Dom will be able to try some good Southern food when they visit the US.
This is a really interesting episode. I attended your concert at The Royal Albert Hall a few weeks ago and think it was great.
Thank you for coming!
@@restishistorypod Oh it was such a pleasure! I think I made my son a lifelong Mozart and Beethoven fan. It was such fan. I wish there were more shows like that.
Thank you for another great video and eduction ❤
Thank you. Watching from Alaska. 🤔
I lived through this history.
You are so very good at fitting it together.
👍
Thank You two. I learned some new things such as they nabbed James Earl Ray in London and that he wanted to flee to Rhodesia.
Also as someone who lives in the DC Area that the areas affected by the riots really didn't start recovering from those riots until the 1990's during the administration of Mayor Tony Williams.
Thank you !
Everyone should try to visit the civil rights museum in Memphis TN
Great work you two
Wow. That was excellent. Thank you.
Excellent guys. I have to listen to the podcasts as my brain has a different picture of them from reality 😅😅😅.
Corn pone is delicious - basically a corn bread pancake.
Filling in the detail . . . You're wonderful. Keep it up. 😎 and thanks.
Imagine the FBI "looking for the culprit" when they could have just asked the CIA directly
It was actually the FBI.
@@d.c.8828 I don't think you understood.
They stopped being so clandestine the very next year when they assassinated Fred Hampton and Mark Clark.
So. You believe that the Democrats were responsible for this? Imagine that. Recent events have shown that was likely as not.
The FBI and CIA don’t communicate almost as policy. Situations like Dr King would be dealt with much smoother if they did.
Is the case against Ray really that cut and dry?
How did an convict who escaped to Mexico, return to the U.S. in November 1967, criss cross the country multiple times, commit this murder, travel to Canada, get a Canadian Passport, travel to London, take a trip to Portugal, back to London where he was apprehended, without any help?
I believe even the King family have doubts.
I was convinced from April 4 th that Ray was helped and financed by wealthy white men in Memphis.
In an not so recent Documentary by the superb Rich Hall (they are all on RUclips and definitely worth watching) he speaks to one of MLKs friends who was with him on the balcony when the assassination occured. The Gentleman tells Rich Hall 'Sadly, you can kill the dreamer, but I hastily tell you, you cannot kill the dream.' That's always stuck with me.
I just discovered your channel this week. You you RUclips Algorithm gods.😂❤
My dad is from Chicago, and he has stories about how hated King was in the city among whites for trying to integrate white neighborhoods. To the point that being in a bar when the news of his assassination broke, there were more than a few cheers. He also mentioned a massive national guard presence the next few days right on the municipal borders of Chicago at least in Oak Park and Cicero to prevent any potential rioters from crossing over into mostly white suburbs, too.
At 21:40, I was 10 y/o at the time & I remember hearing that the sanitation workers weren't given gloves for work as well as no facilities to wash their hands for lunch.
In the late 90's, I worked with a cop who responded to the MLK riots in Harlem. He said that when they got to the precinct there, they all were given a box of ammo, (A box conrains 50 rounds; at that time, a cop was issued only 18 rounds to be carried on his person. Today it's 45 + rounds.) by the Desk Officer & next to the Desk were 2 garbage pails. One was full of new unused police batons, the other held broken batons so if/when you broke yours, you could drop off your old one & get a replacement.
This is powerful
"A riot is the language of the unheard." 🔥
--Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
Tell that to Kier Starmer
@FiveLiver I'd like to tell him a hell of a lot more, if I had the chance !
i grew up during those troubling times, suffered through the cuban missle crisis, JFK's assassination, Bobby's murder, Viet Nam (sweating out being drafted as I entered high school). Along with King's murder, the free love decade with hippies (although my only part was wearing bell bottom jeans my mother bought in small town Kansas), lots of great rock and roll and a self destructing family that's led to my sorry state these days. I remember the bias of television, the almost total lack of other races where I lived and the complete avoidance of my parents speaking of any of it. I just accepted it all as normal. Now 50+ years later and the reality is not much has changed (other than the climate for which I have witnessed closely as eastern kansas has sort of dried up. The only thing thats really different is how well most of us can sidestep racial, gender and abortion issues as long as we dont have to see another race in our communities while proclaiming a need to make america great again. I hate to break it to many but our country hasn't been great since the end of ww2. We've completely let down all that death and sacrifice our ancestors suffered through. That's why I love this channel. They just talk about what happened.
American here, born in 1973. I never had a clue that MLK had such a strong economic justice mission until I was well into adulthood. Neither was I told or taught that he had such a rough time in the north, and not just in the south. Clearly after the Civil rights movement the US let itself off the hook for so many aspects of its racial history. And we're paying for it now with our absolutely toxic and self defeating politics.
Did apple podcasts take this episode down? I saved this episode on my list a few weeks ago. I got a message saying it was unavailable when I tried playing it this morning.
Candied yams are excellent.
RFK quoted the poet Aeschylus:
God, whose law it is that he who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget, falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despite, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.
Thanks
Magic shaving powder is still a thing that can be purchased today in the US. When water is added, it becomes a depilatory and used for razor bumps and ingrown hairs.
"Protesting his innocence just like Lee Harvey..." Yeah, because obviously the official story behind the JFK assassination is water tight.
So looking forward to your visit to LA this month! If perchance you are thirsty, I'm sure Tom in particular would appreciate a local brew called 'Pliny the Elder'. I can bring some to the show. When you get back to your hotel room after a hard evening of historytalking, I can imagine you enjoying a sip or two. For some reason, I also have a mental image of you together in the Morecambe &Wise apartment. Can't shake that one.
I recall as a young guy my folks having mixed feelings about MLK. He preached pacifism but violence followed him.
Would like you chaps to do a episode on Malcolm X - keep up the incredible work chaps 👌🏻
All the southern food mentioned is great except the chitterlings. I have never had pigs feet so I cannot comment on that. Corn pone is a pancake-shaped bread of cornmeal, water, and salt. With butter it is delicious. I am from Alabama.
A side detail: in the 1968 rioting in Baltimore Spiro Agnew, Governor of Maryland, threatened looters they would be shot by deployed MD National Guardsmen. This brought him national prominence. One year later he was VPOTUS.
And four years after that he was plea bargaining.😉
Can you access the same video content via TRIH Club? Or is it just advanced audio? Thanks
2 British blokes mocking Southern soul food. The irony.
Why are so many of you in the USA so thin skinned😂?? Also, what a bizarre and irrelevant take to have after listening to a fantastic historical podcast and discussion…
Great funky vibes in '68 might have been Jimi Hendrix and Iron Butterfly but you also had Des O'Connor in the UK and the Tijuana Brass in the US. Pick a soundtrack.
Big thanks to the team and our two Uber-talented presenters.
As much as I love your channel, I disagree wholeheartedly on your assessment of King's assassination being "one of the most clear cut". To me, there's more evidence of FBI involvement in King's death than there is in JFKs. You should considering doing a dive into some of the literature around it.
Tom seems quite certain about the internal motivations of MLK. Really? Do you think the primary impetus behind his decade -long struggle was to be remembered as a prophet? Isn't it more likely that he simply was morally offended by the systemic injustices faced by Black Americans and felt compelled to speak out against them, even if it meant he would be persecuted and ultimately murdered for doing so? One might believe that he sought martyrdom, as if that might in some way diminish his impact on history by painting his stand as prideful in some way, but it's just as likely that he saw that his destruction was inevitable and so there was no point in turning away from the martyr role that had been thrust upon him if it meant it could lead to advances for Black people.
With respect, I don’t think you understood Tom’s framing of MLK as a prophet. He is not suggesting that MLK thought of himself as a prophet to be “remembered” or to gain the praise of men. To be a prophet in the biblical sense is to have a message from God that must be shared, that you have a moral duty to preach the message.
Jeremiah would be good example of this, ‘But if I say, “I will not mention his word or speak anymore in his name,” his word is in my heart like a fire, a fire shut up in my bones. I am weary of holding it in; indeed, I cannot.’ Jer 20:9. To be a biblical prophet is to speak out against injustice in obedience to a calling from God. A true prophet has to speak out, he can’t hold it in. When you say to be, “morally offended” and “compelled to speak out,” this is exactly how biblical prophets such as Isaiah, Jeremiah and Ezekiel described themselves. Except that from a Christian conviction prophets are not compelled simply by their own intuition or sense of fairness but by the word of God. The prophets chief motivation is not adulation or legacy but it is obedience to God.
I don’t think Tom is unfair to frame MLK in this way because this is exactly how MLK presented himself in his speeches. Positioning himself as a new Moses. Tom and Dominic even quoted the speech where he does this.
I would love a video series from you two Brits about the end of slavery in Britain vs. the continuation of slavery by different names in British colonial territories, and the long road to healing racial divides going up to the end of racial apartheid (segregation by a different name) in South Africa in the 1980s.
It's a story often unknown to us yanks.
Slavery by a different name? Give us just one of the former british slave colonies where this happened
India.
Yes! Also lauding Christianity for ending the practice. I think Tom does so in Dominion.
@@karlernstbuddenbrock371 --To be fair, Christians kept the practice going for over a millennium.
Has any great just and noble cause ever stopped on achieving its stated goals? Gay marriage was the final triumph of a long struggle ... we thought. Now we have drag queens in libraries and youngsters losing healthy body parts etc. Is it always so? Who among us could stop at the very moment the spigot of corporate donations finally flows?
I recommend the book "The Plot to Kill King" by William F Pepper. Very insightful.
He was such an extraordinary and powerful man - taken away too soon 😢
Who is John Galt?
@@Sip974 Some nutter.
Conrpone, it's basically just cornbread, just slightly different ingredients (leading to a different texture, what have you). Mark Twain wrote an interesting essay called "Corn Pone Opinions."
I was smoking weed while listing to this and when the dude with the full head of hair read MLK speech o literally got chills really powerful stuff
Wow, that must have been overwhelming. (But) It works without it, too: Goosepimples and tears. That's how moving he was.
thanks for another riveting presentation - you bring it alive - i was 16 and living in Canada as the gut wrenching news arrived. It was one more blow to a nation already in big trouble.
They didn’t find the killer. They found the PATSY
Did the FBI check the work schedule for the day he was shot?
Any mention of Lisbon?
James Earl Ray lived a vagrant life, was often skint, probably slept rough and yet he had the wherewithal to drive a Ford Mustang, pay his fare to the UK, maintain digs there, have the knowledge to rob a bank by himself and our lads didn’t find that worthy of comment. Critical Thinking skills were on holiday for this episode.
Reagan sealed the FBI records on MLK.
Although I love the rest is history they have massively brushed over James Earl Rays guilt and just said it to be the most clear cut with clearly having done no research on it as if they did they would have found it’s the least clear cut and most likely that a conspiracy took place.
This was for a number of reasons; such as the bullet not matching the gun that James Earl Ray was meant to have fired from, a tree being in the way of the window he was meant to have shot from which was cut down by local police the night following the shooting, virtually everyone at the scene not saying that the shot came from where it was meant to have come from (including most of the people with King which Dominic wrongly said the contrary), and the actual logistics of how he was meant to have taken the shot on top of a bathtub out of a high window being virtually impossible.
This is not even circumstantial this is hard evidence, and is so clear cut that a court in the 1999 after over 70 witnesses corroborated the King family’s story, awarded the King family money after they sued saying it was a government conspiracy with the court arguing that Kings death was likely the result of a government conspiracy. Although based on the evidence many conspiracies are probably unlikely like the JFK one, some including this one are exceedingly likely to be the case. I would encourage Dominic and Tom to research themselves into this.
Why let facts get in the way of the official version?
@@mark.J6708 Good point
Actually her name was Georgia not Gina.
Wake up guys.
Martin Luther King was undoubtedly a great man and a towering historical figure in American history, but let's not start mythologizing him. First of all, a significant portion of his greatest speeches were plagiarized. (All historians now agree that this this is true, just google it.) And he didn't just have a "mistress" -- he was an inveterate womanizer. The FBI has a recording of him having a sex party in a hotel with his aides and number of hookers and this tape will be released in 2027. (Again, just google it.) It was this tape that the FBI was using to suggest to him that he should kill himself. There have been rumors (which are probably nothing more than that) that the tape reveals a woman being raped. If that turns out to be true, however, it will cause massive trauma in the US.
Using “law and order” as a dog whistle.
So glad that doesn’t happen anymore /sarc
Please leave Elvis out of it 😂
I hadn't realised Reagan was involved with politics then (if it's the actor come President).
I am English btw...so that's my excuse.
He made a very big speech for Goldwater (Rep) in 1964. and then got elected Gov of California in 1966, where he made a big splash.
Memphis police protection was refused.
He slept with 3 different women on the day he was killed. His family took a totally different person to civil court and won.
Read Like A Fading Shadow by Antonio Munoz Molina
but it really doesn't matter to me now...
Republicans indeed made big gains in the 1966 midterms, but it should be noted that even after that election, the Democrats still retained a 248-187 majority in the House and a 64-36 majority in the Senate.
How are the white Rhodesians doing now?
Nothing reflects well on Reagan
if you're a communist.
I did not vote for him and I wouldn't go that far.
Tour Canada!
I've notice that they say Sinai as si-knee-eye consistently on this channel. Is this actually a more correct pronunciation than the two syllable version I hear everywhere else?
They also say al•u•min•ee •um. 🤷🏼♀️
@@nanavango9374 To be fair to them, we Brits would all have to unsubscribe immediately if they relented and used the US pronunciation.
In Hebrew the name is Har Sinai with Sinai pronounced exactly as we do in American English (Sigh nigh). I have no idea where they got this extremely idiosyncratic pronunciation
@@nanavango9374 because that's how it's spelt
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The FBI did it.
The end.
I graduated in 1967 from St. Mary’s Episcopal School in Memphis, and returned from the University of Chicago for spring break early in April 1968. so I was in Memphis in the days leading up to April 4th, and on a plane back to Chicago when the assassination happened. when I landed and heard what happened, I immediately thought it has been financed by wealthy white men, and that I probably knew some of them, based on what I had heard that week from some of my friends’ fathers. And then I was in the midst of riots and fires in the south side of Chicago.
As an American, it’s bizarre they don’t refer to him as “dr” MLK
Ernst Stavro Blofeld 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Nothing can put a shine on Ronald Reagan. A turd through and through
. Didnt the CIA kill him.
A good episode that is derailed by a strange diatribe about soul food and what product Dr. King used to shave his face. What a weird rambling five minutes that was.
Derailed? I find the asides in this(and other) episodes of TRIH interesting and add to the always very substantive discussion. There are lots of very dry history channels out there if that's your poison
@@danknight8297 If giggling at the idea of a streched diet and a different hair product is your idea of anitidote then go off, milord. I see no reason to laugh at a 30-somethings diet or razor whislt barely touching upon many other facts but please tell me what Churchill said.
He was a major womaniser but a great orator
Haha according to the telegraph you get a million pounds each per year for this haha that's so funny
Might want to look in to what king got up to in his private life.
They address this, don’t worry.
Ah yes, obsessed with his love life. As said, might want to look into that, as it's not addressed here.
@@nanavango9374 no it is, and that's a worry.
"Eskimo" is considered a slur these days.
I willing to bet 90% of eskimos couldnt care less
If you are an Eskimo, I accept your assertion. If not, dry up.
In the ever evolving dictionary of woke. Add to the 54 gender pronouns.
Shut up
Is it Black history monthzzzz?
No, it's part 2 of a series on 1968 America looking at parallels to today in the run-up to next week's election. Part 1 was Vietnam and Johnson's withdrawal from the presidential race, Part 3 will deal with RFK's assassination. Part 2 is MLK's assassination. Do you think they shouldn't cover that?
Anytime they discuss an issue that RUclips demands I see a Wikipedia header about, you know its gone to be full of absolute trite shit
Go on Steven give us your fresh take then
Tune on on your ham radio tonight friend all frequencies all channels
@steventrotter4958 did you say ham radio!? If I don't stop laughing soon my wife is going to call an ambulance