I love the light humour combined with great quotes and large reservoir of knowledge of both Tom and Dominic. Always entertaining and educational whether discussing the French Revolution in 1789, the 1974 British General Election or the events in the USA in 1968. Great stuff thanks 👍
Congrats on 100k Didn't take too long to 'blow up' after adopting video I see. Great to see your hard work rewarded. Your new fans have an awesome backlog of episodes to catch up on. Greetings from prussias capital
Reading speeches from previous eras in our countries, political history, even relatively recent ones, is depressing. It underscores how quickly things have fallen apart, and how trite and inconsequential our political discourse has become.
Don't despair. The pendulum swings both ways. Granted, half our lives will be spent at the far reach but change is constant and people are reactionary, a back swing follows as day follows night. And remember that our lives compared with any other time or place are like farting through silk as PJ O'Rourke would say. Who has it better than we do?
I wrote my comment before Tom even finished reciting the passage. I was grateful when Tom made essentially the same remark! These guys never disappoint.
I have a history degree and love the discipline but rarely find any history shows that interest me because they're either too dry or too sensationalistic or too poorly researched. You guys are both thoroughly academic and super entertaining, plus very balanced. I just love your channel and am listening to everything you've done. Thank you 😊 🙏
Lived through all of this with my 2nd memory at 3 being of JFK assassination and funeral. Have a signed note to my father from RFK thanking him for his work on his campaign. Dom is right though because having lived through it I could never learn about it since no one could write objectively about it, and still no American probably could. Thank you both.
You had me at the Dominic Sandbrook Archives. But I wept at "The George Custer Experience"--- "we've been in here for months". And then just a few minutes for "The French Revolution." Tom would have "Back to Lafayette". Sleeping bag merch for sale in the gift shop as you exit.
PPS And it's not lost on us that the "Archives/Experience -- Orlando" is in keeping with your fully realized mission of drawing parallels between history and our lives today. Please God, tomorrow will give you an amazing parallel with the 84 election.
The climax of the campaign for Robert Kennedy would be the California primary of June 4, 1968. Before focusing his efforts on California, Robert Kennedy had journeyed to Columbus, OH, to speak with members of the uncommitted Ohio delegation. Kenny O’Donnell [who had been Kennedy's roommate at Harvard and later worked as a close aide to President Kennedy] helped to organize this meeting, stressing to Kennedy NOT to be late. Well, Kennedy ended up mixing with supporters on the streets of Columbus and ended up 3 hours late. It didn’t look good when Kennedy belatedly arrived in that hotel. “He walked into a room filled with angry, sullen, and inebriated delegates, and saved himself by delivering what O’Donnell called ‘the best damn speech I have ever heard in my life.’ “ “O’Donnell was ecstatic, saying later, ‘He knew just what they wanted to hear and acted as if he loved being there…. He just handled himself beautifully. He was his brother. It was fantastic. The women just went ga-ga over him. They were unanimous - all the old pros were taken aback by how much they liked him. This was not the Bob Kennedy they had read about. This was not the ruthless arrogant young fellow. All they kept saying was, ‘He’s just like Jack! He’s just like Jack!’ I knew he could go all the way, then. Once he had California in his pocket, he would have Daley and all the pros were going to love him. I was never worried about the general election.” Then tragedy ensued.
Dominic if you seriously have lost your Masters thesis then can’t you just contact the university you wrote it at? When I wrote my dissertation for my BA degree I had to supply my university with a paper copy for them to keep in their archives.
Wow. I appreciate Tom's attempt to read a speech in an appropriate tone of voice... but that opening really makes me long for the actual audio recording if any exist.
Dominic has my chair and a prolific collection of classic Doctor Who stories, a man of taste. Goes to demonstrate that though our politics are different that we can have common ground, well, at least when it comes to chairs and classic TV. I'll take that.
The Kennedys were Irish-American and hated the British and WASPs. I have lived in Boston. Joe and JFK were fans of Hitler in the 1930s JFK visited Germany twice and wrote that he was impressed with Hitler in his journals. JFK donated to America First in 1941. It was trying to keep the US out of the European war. Joe was a gangster and insider trader and bought the 1960 election with help from the Mob, with whom he had strong ties. The Kennedys then turned on the Mob. Eisenhower and Nixon agreed not to call out the Kennedys for the good of the country. Bobby was JFK's hatchet man which is why he was hated. He asked the FBI to raid MLK's offices and bug his hotel rooms. There is a weird interview with Jackie in which she called King, a “phoney” and “tricky”. The Kennedys were sleazy. What part did Bobby play in the death of Marilyn Monroe?
@TribuniPlebis I think phrasing was close to RFK. But I recall seeing a well-known impressionist (perhaps, but at least similar to, Rich Little) who, in his impression of RFK, said, "And... and it's not true that I speak like Bugs Bunny... Bugs... Bugs Bunny speaks... like me!" I may have the precise cadence of the speech wrong, but it's been a long time since RFK impressions were commonly performed. - sj
I could quibble perhaps but I would never , I really enjoy I guess these podcasts , you make these conversations look easy, but I know it’s far from it , so I salute you with these wry informative kinda almost laconic but still serious takes on history , it’s great !& i mean I love everything you do but this & your take on Britain in 73/74 for me is extra special
I met a local niche celebrity in the San Francisco Bay Area ~12 years ago to pick up some artwork from his home gallery. He had RFK posters all over the inside of his beautiful Victorian home. I asked him about it and he told me his story about how he quit grad school and join RFK’s campaign in 1968. He said he was at the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles that infamous night, less than 20 feet away from RFK’s assassination. This was a very nice man who obviously partied like a rock star in the 60s and 70. Very jovial and personable man. But he became very serious and precise in his language when he described the details of what happened that night. I wish I could recall all the details, but he came across very credible when he said there was zero chance Sirhan was RFK’s assassin. I’m not aware of him ever giving a public interview on this subject, but I wish he would. But that experience caused me to seriously doubt the official narrative of what happened that night in 1968.
There is a bill mahr clip with rfk jr that title something like how rfk was mur*Der. Rfk jr says sirhan was apart of the plot but didn't shoot the shots that killed his dad. He goes into more depth on evidence to that theory.
@@QuietFemmeI’ve heard RFK Jr say that as well. I may have caught part of the Bill Maher interview. But that’s consistent with what I was told. The person I met said Sirhan was definitely not the shooter. That said, it’s entirely possible that Sirhan may have been involved.
Thank you so much for this episode. I'll need to search for your book on Eugene McCarthy ,Mr. Dominic. I had no idea about his private life & personality. It was very surprising. His former press secretary related that Sen. McCarthy was possibly involved in CIA type operations in Latin America. Perhaps you were already aware of that but again, I was quite surprised.
I worked in Indiana politics in the 2000s, and the fact that Indianapolis didn't burn thanks to RFK is an oft-mentioned talking point on both sides of the political spectrum.
Regarding 'Hands Bleeding due to Shaking' - I remember seeing a video showing King Edward VIII (when he was the Prince of Wales) being forced to use his left hand to shake others because his right hand was injured due to shaking so many hands. Maybe his Canada trip ??
Having listened to almost every episode of your podcast, the blind admiration you have for the Kennedy's is rather perplexing. RFK's life was entirely the product of nepotism and his appointment as Attorney General set a very troubling precedent that haunts the USA to this day.
I don't know man, I don't get a lot of admiration, I get a fair amount of condescension. I don't think these guys are particular enthusiasts of good government. They're just chroniclers, don't you see?
I find it perplexing that if you have listened to so many of their podcasts you haven't realised that they give a more neutral view to the subject of the Kennedys than many others do and in no way appear to me to be the rose tinted admirers you think they are
Have yet to watch this on a nervous pre-election day, 2024. Simply reading the title of this piece my answer is, "hell, yes"--I was 17 when Bobby was shot and remember every excruciating minute. I also remember the millions following the rail route of the return of his body. A reminder of FDR. It is hard to express what a breath of fresh air he was to the campign of 1968. McCarthy was too dour and cerebral to catch on with the masses. RFK was pure charisma, more so even than his brother.
I will not let people spam this comments section with nonsense advocating for the assassin of RFK. His death was an unmitigated disaster. I take it quite personally as he was a hero to my entire family of Boston Irish. It’s disgusting advocacy to lionize an assassin of this man.
RFK (sr)’s close friend and political supporter who was also shot that night (but survived) Paul Schrade, had similarly looked into the evidence (autopsy report, witness testimonies etc.) and was extremely shocked by it. He not only came to the conclusion that Sirhan is innocent but even attended his parole hearing to lend his support. Indeed, Sirhan was eventually granted parole in 2022/3(?) but it was ultimately blocked by the Governor of California, Gavin Newsom.
@@BenjaminNavillus You know what the problem with this country is? 90% of the population are idiots. Vincent Bugliosi spent the last 10 years of his life writing a thousand-page book debunking every single stupid conspiracy theory related to JFK's assassination including one that claimed that the body buried in Lee Harvey Oswald's grave had somebody else's head on it which ridiculous claim actually caused them to dig up Oswald whereupon they discovered that his head was perfectly well connected to his body. And 5 minutes after the book came out people just started generating new crazy conspiracy theories.
@Dominick @Tom any chance you could do an episode on ‘What might’ve happened’ had Lyndon Johnson NOT waved his gentleman sausage about? Many things in history might just have turned out differently!
Or if LBJ didn’t allegedly crouch in his limo, on the Dallas motorcade route, before any shots were aimed at President Kennedy. Must have been his shoe laces needing attention.
@ Hate to debunk your claim but LBJ it’s well known wore only Velcro shoes! rumour has it he was searching for a lost cherry drop under the front seat!
. A reading, without sentimentality of RFK's words, has been done by others..... . but, it cannot be contradicted... . an Englishman, has done his words justice. . God help us. .
Outstanding performance by Dom when covering the US election last night. Can't see him as the LA Dodgers though. For me, he's more like the White Sox of twenty odd years ago. Not Moneyball, or Small ball, but as Ozzy Guillen said, "Smart ball."
I can remember the shooting being covered on BBC tea time news and his death being reported the following day. Everybody was shocked but as I was only 9, had little understanding of who he was, but I do remember being sad.
There was a "Clean For Gene" youth movement of McCarthy volunteers. They cut their long hair, dressed square, etc, and went door-to-door for Gene McCarthy. For all the "Camelot 2" nostalgia later one, the young, white, left liberal student idealists tilted heavily to McCarthy in the 1968 primaries.
[This episode] RFK puts the lie to the idea that politicians have always been coarse and vulgar. [Two episodes ago] So then Lyndon Johnson whips it out and waves it at the assembled press...
Ethel died Oct 10th - Manchurian Candidate was 1962 - I agree he likely would not have won. I loved him and did not want him to run...ever!!!! 1968 was a terrible year I will never forget - I was 10 ys old!!!
I agree that RFK (absent a failed assassination attempt) would not have won the 1968 nomination against those odds. But I also suspect that Humphrey would still have lost to Nixon because of Vietnam and the internal party split. A 1972 RFK campaign would have been very different from 1968. Bobby was enough of a chameleon and political realist to tailor himself to the times. And in 1972 the party rules had changed and the bosses were sidelined. The nomination could well have gone to RFK. Whether he''d have lost to Nixon is debatable but he'd have done better than McGovern.
Politically, I have mixed feelings about Bobby… but pretty positive overall… I know the story well, still… it was very hard to listen to this description of his death. (Just discovered this podcast. You can add another fan!)
I have an interesting idea of one of the reasons RFK was so close to JFK and how he ended up handling the most stressful parts of his brother’s issue: civil rights, organized crime, etc.. JFK had Addison’s Disease -PAI. His adrenal glands had died. Nothing can live without adrenaline/cortisol. I have been diagnosed myself for 24 yrs with this disease. You are often severely fatigued and have trouble with SEVERE brain fog/concentration. I used to joke that JFK HAD to be on speed to be a senator nor president during incidents like the Bay of Pigs. Without functioning adrenal glands - we’ll - Jackie confirmed in her book she authored as she was dying of cancer that yes, he was on amphetamines and in hideous pain. Addison’s disease affects bone density as well. His lower back was disintegrating. I had to halt my own career as a historian of religion to this condition due to the inability to think critically and be focused. I spent 10 years getting properly educated to do what I always knew I wanted to be to not get tenure due to health. He was the president! I wonder what part Bobby felt responsible for being that serious, keeping Jack appearing in full control of his decision making and hiding exhaustion. That would make him appear hyper -serious and stressed himself. There are many serious endocrine diseases in the extended Kennedy family including Grave’s disease. I don’t see how Jack’s disease did not affect what Bobby felt he had to constantly cover for his brother. Interestingly enough one of my first memories was seeing Kennedy’s funeral. My mother kept telling me I was not born yet. What I couldn’t idly remember was the flag draped cason pulling up to a church; I was sitting on my grandmother’s rug with their late ‘60’s color tv. It was RFK’s funeral and I was just under 2 yrs old. No picture taken, I knew the color of the carpet I was on, and I have never watched it again. Being American born into that era, the Kennedys such a part of the myth of promise and the death of the utopian nation we were going to be. On this eve of the craziest election, I thank you for the reminder that there was a sense of hope and belief in making not just the States but the world a place of connection and equality.
The alliance between RFK jnr., and D. Trump makes the prospect of the former holding high office likely and I felt obliged to find out about his sadly assassinated father. Thank you.
RFK Jr. is an unhinged joke! He's been rejected by the entire Kennedy family including his own siblings. His father would be turning in his grave if he only knew what his son is up to today. What a shame and a disgrace to tarnish his father's good name.
@@UAPenisHe's turned into a conspiracy theorist, vaccine denier, opportunist, and just a plain weirdo. The current Republican party itself is a joke and not the decent Reagan/ McCain/ Romney Republican party of back in the day. Surely you can see that.
@@UAPenis He's turned into a conspiracy theorist, vaccine denier, opportunist, and just a plain weirdo. The current Republican party itself is a joke and not the decent Reagan/ McCain/ Romney Republican party of back in the day. Surely you can see that.
Do Tom and Dominic know that RFK's own son is absolutely convinced, and has detailed reasons why, the killer of RFK could not have been the one convicted for it?
If that was supposed to be RFK's accent in the initial reading, you might want to check your pronunciation of "world." Totally Brit. 😅 I might add with respect to your comments about Ethel Skakel that she was raised Catholic and was extremely devout. It was in the private Sacred Heart School in Manhattan that she met Bobby Kennedy's sister, which is how she met Bobby. It is true that her father came from old Protestant money but the marriage of Ethel and Bobby was not a merger of Catholic and Protestant.
Yes! I believe he would have gotten the Dem nom and gone on to trounce Nixon. Absolutely one of the worst things to have happened. I went to bed after he won the CA primary. The next day when I found out he was dead, I was numb for a long time. 😢 I still feel it sometimes: what could have been. Sigh.
I was unable to comment on RUclips the rest is politics we're Dominic just appeared post-election. Like so many viewers have a massive appreciation of common Dominic, their serious work and intellect. I just have to say it's so much bothers me that 90% of intellectuals must be anti-trump anti-republican. Recently they talked about what a selfish and vicious person LBJ/johnson was. Is bigger than Trump ego I'm sure one did a lot of his effort towards human rights and helping America. If if tnd did as much research on evil modern politicians as they say they did on Trump they would discover how that he of warmongers such as Boris Johnson who had a peace treaty with Russia and then purposely scuttled it !! Tony Blair and co. Are equally selfish warmongers. And when I think of Hillary Clinton I can only think of for war making, her route comments on the death of Gaddafi which left Libya in chaos. Her centering her worth on commanding to bin Laden Navy raid. At least when Trump gets in we will quickly move towards peace with Russia, diffuse atomic or threat and reduce heavily in Syria, etc. Having held us officer rank for years, can tell you the military such a wonderful way to an easy life with promotions, raises endless steak dinners in the mess hall, roast beef everyday, people sending you sweets and premium Starbucks coffee to war zones. The European armies I loved and worked closely with in Africa but mostly gone the Hillary warmonger route lately, maybe because Europe seems to be so irrelevaChina the huge question everyone ignores is how do we compete against China, you despite some setbacks still thoroughly dominates the world economy. And Dominic, if you think minorities / blacks do not like Trump, I know firsthand a dozen in Colorado who couldn't wait for Kamala to lose today and we get some actual immigration policy and handle on soaring crime. People steal any car or sight and gasoline in broad daylight in Denver !! So instead of looking at Trump's faults etc. look at the massive failures of the West, stock market real estate mass obsession., ... In the UK you could try making the trains run or actually manufacturing cars again instead of lecturing people how to help. Thank you
I love the light humour combined with great quotes and large reservoir of knowledge of both Tom and Dominic.
Always entertaining and educational whether discussing the French Revolution in 1789, the 1974 British General Election or the events in the USA in 1968.
Great stuff thanks 👍
Congrats on 100k
Didn't take too long to 'blow up' after adopting video I see.
Great to see your hard work rewarded.
Your new fans have an awesome backlog of episodes to catch up on.
Greetings from prussias capital
Reading speeches from previous eras in our countries, political history, even relatively recent ones, is depressing. It underscores how quickly things have fallen apart, and how trite and inconsequential our political discourse has become.
Don't despair. The pendulum swings both ways. Granted, half our lives will be spent at the far reach but change is constant and people are reactionary, a back swing follows as day follows night.
And remember that our lives compared with any other time or place are like farting through silk as PJ O'Rourke would say. Who has it better than we do?
I wrote my comment before Tom even finished reciting the passage. I was grateful when Tom made essentially the same remark! These guys never disappoint.
I have a history degree and love the discipline but rarely find any history shows that interest me because they're either too dry or too sensationalistic or too poorly researched. You guys are both thoroughly academic and super entertaining, plus very balanced. I just love your channel and am listening to everything you've done. Thank you 😊 🙏
I loved this PodCast, thank you
As a New Englander that was one of the hardest accents to listen too
worse than George Bush? (I live in TX, so I can say that 🤣) I'm curious though. Have you heard any Cajun/South Louisiana speech?
I was a child when Bobby and MLK were assassinated. I didn’t understand but I was scared and sad. Thanks for the episode.
Great to see you both on RUclips. Adds another dimension to the enjoyment.
Easily my favourite history show!!
Thank you !
I’m glad you’ve put the performance of the quote into these RUclips versions!
Thank you both for so entertainingly educating us about history.
I’ve already listened to all of this in the podcast but it’s worth repeating, it’s been a brilliant series. 😁👏
Guys, you’ve done it again! Compelling stuff. Thanks.
Thank you !
I'm sure this was recorded before then, but Ethel just died a few weeks ago on Oct. 10th.
Yes, well noted--out of curiosity--does RUclips allow creators to edit after the fact or to addend an update?
Must have been just recorded
0:46 The cut to Dominic laughing was comedy gold 😂 loved the intro though Tom
Lived through all of this with my 2nd memory at 3 being of JFK assassination and funeral. Have a signed note to my father from RFK thanking him for his work on his campaign. Dom is right though because having lived through it I could never learn about it since no one could write objectively about it, and still no American probably could. Thank you both.
JFK was killed on my 14th birthday. Try to imagine that. 😮
You had me at the Dominic Sandbrook Archives. But I wept at "The George Custer Experience"--- "we've been in here for months". And then just a few minutes for "The French Revolution."
Tom would have "Back to Lafayette". Sleeping bag merch for sale in the gift shop as you exit.
P.S. For the record, I'm an American and I love Lafayette. Team Tom! Well, and also Team Dom! if it comes to that.
PPS And it's not lost on us that the "Archives/Experience -- Orlando" is in keeping with your fully realized mission of drawing parallels between history and our lives today.
Please God, tomorrow will give you an amazing parallel with the 84 election.
To be fair to Johnson...he had a legendary Johnson.
that's what
she said
The climax of the campaign for Robert Kennedy would be the California primary of June 4, 1968. Before focusing his efforts on California, Robert Kennedy had journeyed to Columbus, OH, to speak with members of the uncommitted Ohio delegation. Kenny O’Donnell [who had been Kennedy's roommate at Harvard and later worked as a close aide to President Kennedy] helped to organize this meeting, stressing to Kennedy NOT to be late. Well, Kennedy ended up mixing with supporters on the streets of Columbus and ended up 3 hours late. It didn’t look good when Kennedy belatedly arrived in that hotel. “He walked into a room filled with angry, sullen, and inebriated delegates, and saved himself by delivering what O’Donnell called ‘the best damn speech I have ever heard in my life.’ “
“O’Donnell was ecstatic, saying later, ‘He knew just what they wanted to hear and acted as if he loved being there…. He just handled himself beautifully. He was his brother. It was fantastic. The women just went ga-ga over him. They were unanimous - all the old pros were taken aback by how much they liked him. This was not the Bob Kennedy they had read about. This was not the ruthless arrogant young fellow. All they kept saying was, ‘He’s just like Jack! He’s just like Jack!’ I knew he could go all the way, then. Once he had California in his pocket, he would have Daley and all the pros were going to love him. I was never worried about the general election.”
Then tragedy ensued.
Jackie Kennedy "She loves the Greeks"!
Dominic if you seriously have lost your Masters thesis then can’t you just contact the university you wrote it at?
When I wrote my dissertation for my BA degree I had to supply my university with a paper copy for them to keep in their archives.
Wow. I appreciate Tom's attempt to read a speech in an appropriate tone of voice... but that opening really makes me long for the actual audio recording if any exist.
Video exists! ruclips.net/video/_bDlET_gK68/видео.htmlsi=i6pQIxEfZax0xWos
Indeed, the original is one of a kind.
I don't. It's a cheap theatrical attempt which borders on mockery.
Dominic has my chair and a prolific collection of classic Doctor Who stories, a man of taste. Goes to demonstrate that though our politics are different that we can have common ground, well, at least when it comes to chairs and classic TV. I'll take that.
Tom's American South accent is just gold. Comedy gold.
Is "South accent" the same as Southern accent?
@@petes9524 Yes. All the more humorous when I then hear that he was imitating RFK. Love the podcast.
The Kennedys were Irish-American and hated the British and WASPs. I have lived in Boston. Joe and JFK were fans of Hitler in the 1930s JFK visited Germany twice and wrote that he was impressed with Hitler in his journals. JFK donated to America First in 1941. It was trying to keep the US out of the European war. Joe was a gangster and insider trader and bought the 1960 election with help from the Mob, with whom he had strong ties. The Kennedys then turned on the Mob. Eisenhower and Nixon agreed not to call out the Kennedys for the good of the country. Bobby was JFK's hatchet man which is why he was hated. He asked the FBI to raid MLK's offices and bug his hotel rooms. There is a weird interview with Jackie in which she called King, a “phoney” and “tricky”. The Kennedys were sleazy. What part did Bobby play in the death of Marilyn Monroe?
Just magnificent stilted voice acting. BRAVO
@TribuniPlebis I think phrasing was close to RFK. But I recall seeing a well-known impressionist (perhaps, but at least similar to, Rich Little) who, in his impression of RFK, said, "And... and it's not true that I speak like Bugs Bunny... Bugs... Bugs Bunny speaks... like me!" I may have the precise cadence of the speech wrong, but it's been a long time since RFK impressions were commonly performed.
- sj
Love this channel!
Thank you !
I could quibble perhaps but I would never , I really enjoy I guess these podcasts , you make these conversations look easy, but I know it’s far from it , so I salute you with these wry informative kinda almost laconic but still serious takes on history , it’s great !& i mean I love everything you do but this & your take on Britain in 73/74 for me is extra special
I met a local niche celebrity in the San Francisco Bay Area ~12 years ago to pick up some artwork from his home gallery. He had RFK posters all over the inside of his beautiful Victorian home. I asked him about it and he told me his story about how he quit grad school and join RFK’s campaign in 1968. He said he was at the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles that infamous night, less than 20 feet away from RFK’s assassination. This was a very nice man who obviously partied like a rock star in the 60s and 70. Very jovial and personable man. But he became very serious and precise in his language when he described the details of what happened that night. I wish I could recall all the details, but he came across very credible when he said there was zero chance Sirhan was RFK’s assassin. I’m not aware of him ever giving a public interview on this subject, but I wish he would. But that experience caused me to seriously doubt the official narrative of what happened that night in 1968.
There is a bill mahr clip with rfk jr that title something like how rfk was mur*Der. Rfk jr says sirhan was apart of the plot but didn't shoot the shots that killed his dad. He goes into more depth on evidence to that theory.
@@QuietFemmeI’ve heard RFK Jr say that as well. I may have caught part of the Bill Maher interview. But that’s consistent with what I was told. The person I met said Sirhan was definitely not the shooter. That said, it’s entirely possible that Sirhan may have been involved.
Thank you so much for this episode. I'll need to search for your book on Eugene McCarthy ,Mr. Dominic. I had no idea about his private life & personality. It was very surprising. His former press secretary related that Sen. McCarthy was possibly involved in CIA type operations in Latin America. Perhaps you were already aware of that but again, I was quite surprised.
I guess conversational & compelling is the best way to sum it up
I was having a bad day, thanks tom and Dom for making me laugh..
Listening every single programme a number of times. French revolution is my favourite so far, but such agony of choice!
Many thanks, again.
Thank you !
Reference to Aeschylus would currently be viewed as elitist, or worse, even ridiculed as "wierd".
Or "weird." 😉
I worked in Indiana politics in the 2000s, and the fact that Indianapolis didn't burn thanks to RFK is an oft-mentioned talking point on both sides of the political spectrum.
Regarding 'Hands Bleeding due to Shaking' - I remember seeing a video showing King Edward VIII (when he was the Prince of Wales) being forced to use his left hand to shake others because his right hand was injured due to shaking so many hands. Maybe his Canada trip ??
Thank you both so much
You're welcome !
That RF Kennedy impression was hilarious 🤣
Having listened to almost every episode of your podcast, the blind admiration you have for the Kennedy's is rather perplexing. RFK's life was entirely the product of nepotism and his appointment as Attorney General set a very troubling precedent that haunts the USA to this day.
I don't know man, I don't get a lot of admiration, I get a fair amount of condescension. I don't think these guys are particular enthusiasts of good government. They're just chroniclers, don't you see?
I find it perplexing that if you have listened to so many of their podcasts you haven't realised that they give a more neutral view to the subject of the Kennedys than many others do and in no way appear to me to be the rose tinted admirers you think they are
Wow, first time I’m catching a video that isn’t 3+ months old.
Have yet to watch this on a nervous pre-election day, 2024. Simply reading the title of this piece my answer is, "hell, yes"--I was 17 when Bobby was shot and remember every excruciating minute. I also remember the millions following the rail route of the return of his body. A reminder of FDR. It is hard to express what a breath of fresh air he was to the campign of 1968. McCarthy was too dour and cerebral to catch on with the masses. RFK was pure charisma, more so even than his brother.
RFK Jnr. says Sirhan Sirhan didn't kill his father.
I assume this was recoded before Ethel Kennedy died on 10th October.
I will not let people spam this comments section with nonsense advocating for the assassin of RFK. His death was an unmitigated disaster. I take it quite personally as he was a hero to my entire family of Boston Irish. It’s disgusting advocacy to lionize an assassin of this man.
His own son, having looked at the autopsy report, has advocated for his parole release.
If you mean RFK Jr, the man is a raving lunatic.
RFK (sr)’s close friend and political supporter who was also shot that night (but survived) Paul Schrade, had similarly looked into the evidence (autopsy report, witness testimonies etc.) and was extremely shocked by it. He not only came to the conclusion that Sirhan is innocent but even attended his parole hearing to lend his support. Indeed, Sirhan was eventually granted parole in 2022/3(?) but it was ultimately blocked by the Governor of California, Gavin Newsom.
@@BenjaminNavillusthis comment is completely accurate.
@@BenjaminNavillus You know what the problem with this country is? 90% of the population are idiots. Vincent Bugliosi spent the last 10 years of his life writing a thousand-page book debunking every single stupid conspiracy theory related to JFK's assassination including one that claimed that the body buried in Lee Harvey Oswald's grave had somebody else's head on it which ridiculous claim actually caused them to dig up Oswald whereupon they discovered that his head was perfectly well connected to his body. And 5 minutes after the book came out people just started generating new crazy conspiracy theories.
@Dominick @Tom any chance you could do an episode on ‘What might’ve happened’ had Lyndon Johnson NOT waved his gentleman sausage about? Many things in history might just have turned out differently!
Or if LBJ didn’t allegedly crouch in his limo, on the Dallas motorcade route, before any shots were aimed at President Kennedy. Must have been his shoe laces needing attention.
@ Hate to debunk your claim but LBJ it’s well known wore only Velcro shoes! rumour has it he was searching for a lost cherry drop under the front seat!
60 years on and we have learned very little as a nation.
We just keep on repeating our mistakes. 2024 feels a great deal like 1968.
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A reading, without sentimentality of RFK's words, has been done by others.....
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but, it cannot be contradicted...
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an Englishman, has done his words justice.
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God help us.
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Well done again gentlemen , I had no idea there was a Mt Kennedy . I knew about the animals and children !!!!!
Robert and Ethel had 11 children
Fascinating commentary
This is a brilliant channel. Well done as usual. But having lived during this time, this topic is a bit much for me.
Outstanding performance by Dom when covering the US election last night.
Can't see him as the LA Dodgers though. For me, he's more like the White Sox of twenty odd years ago. Not Moneyball, or Small ball, but as Ozzy Guillen said, "Smart ball."
Not listened to your podcast, but yes. RFK would have been the 37th POTUS.
Ethel just died
Dom was very good in TRIP coverage of the US election, on the rare occasions the Mooch remained quiet long enough for anyone else to speak
You don’t say WHY RFK Jr. supported Sirhan, only that he’s “eccentric” 🙄
Would welcome more book recommendations for children please!
I always wonder how Sirhan knew to wait in the kitchen. Wasn't it a last minute decision to go through there ?
I can remember the shooting being covered on BBC tea time news and his death being reported the following day. Everybody was shocked but as I was only 9, had little understanding of who he was, but I do remember being sad.
I like these as you get a little glimpse into the mistakes the guys make, like anybody having a passionate conversation about something e.g. 25:40
The Irish curse. Wonder if he heard the Banshee
Ethel Kennedy is dead.
There was a "Clean For Gene" youth movement of McCarthy volunteers. They cut their long hair, dressed square, etc, and went door-to-door for Gene McCarthy. For all the "Camelot 2" nostalgia later one, the young, white, left liberal student idealists tilted heavily to McCarthy in the 1968 primaries.
Ripping yarns, yet again, Hooray !
Some in attendance at the dreadful LA kitchen event were: Richard Goodwin, John Frankenheimer, Roosevelt Grier , …..
Nevermind brighton, Dr. johnson famously once went on an arduous mule back and on foot tour of the then untamed highlands and western isles
Birmingham?
[This episode] RFK puts the lie to the idea that politicians have always been coarse and vulgar.
[Two episodes ago] So then Lyndon Johnson whips it out and waves it at the assembled press...
Can tell you recorded this a few weeks back; Ethel died on the 10th of October.
Ethel died Oct 10th - Manchurian Candidate was 1962 - I agree he likely would not have won. I loved him and did not want him to run...ever!!!! 1968 was a terrible year I will never forget - I was 10 ys old!!!
And we think we got it bad today? 🌍✌️🌎
I believe Westbrook Pegler hated Frank Sinatra too.
oh..that's harsh! I've adopted that phrase
I agree that RFK (absent a failed assassination attempt) would not have won the 1968 nomination against those odds. But I also suspect that Humphrey would still have lost to Nixon because of Vietnam and the internal party split. A 1972 RFK campaign would have been very different from 1968. Bobby was enough of a chameleon and political realist to tailor himself to the times. And in 1972 the party rules had changed and the bosses were sidelined. The nomination could well have gone to RFK. Whether he''d have lost to Nixon is debatable but he'd have done better than McGovern.
Politically, I have mixed feelings about Bobby… but pretty positive overall… I know the story well, still… it was very hard to listen to this description of his death. (Just discovered this podcast. You can add another fan!)
I have an interesting idea of one of the reasons RFK was so close to JFK and how he ended up handling the most stressful parts of his brother’s issue: civil rights, organized crime, etc.. JFK had Addison’s Disease -PAI. His adrenal glands had died. Nothing can live without adrenaline/cortisol. I have been diagnosed myself for 24 yrs with this disease. You are often severely fatigued and have trouble with SEVERE brain fog/concentration. I used to joke that JFK HAD to be on speed to be a senator nor president during incidents like the Bay of Pigs. Without functioning adrenal glands - we’ll - Jackie confirmed in her book she authored as she was dying of cancer that yes, he was on amphetamines and in hideous pain. Addison’s disease affects bone density as well. His lower back was disintegrating. I had to halt my own career as a historian of religion to this condition due to the inability to think critically and be focused. I spent 10 years getting properly educated to do what I always knew I wanted to be to not get tenure due to health. He was the president! I wonder what part Bobby felt responsible for being that serious, keeping Jack appearing in full control of his decision making and hiding exhaustion. That would make him appear hyper -serious and stressed himself. There are many serious endocrine diseases in the extended Kennedy family including Grave’s disease. I don’t see how Jack’s disease did not affect what Bobby felt he had to constantly cover for his brother.
Interestingly enough one of my first memories was seeing Kennedy’s funeral. My mother kept telling me I was not born yet. What I couldn’t idly remember was the flag draped cason pulling up to a church; I was sitting on my grandmother’s rug with their late ‘60’s color tv. It was RFK’s funeral and I was just under 2 yrs old. No picture taken, I knew the color of the carpet I was on, and I have never watched it again. Being American born into that era, the Kennedys such a part of the myth of promise and the death of the utopian nation we were going to be. On this eve of the craziest election, I thank you for the reminder that there was a sense of hope and belief in making not just the States but the world a place of connection and equality.
LBJ was ten times the man and leader than RFK ever was.
LBJ did more for impoverished Americans, in direct assistance, than ANY President before or since.
Westbrook Pegler was also a pain in the arse for Sinatra too.
The alliance between RFK jnr., and D. Trump makes the prospect of the former holding high office likely and I felt obliged to find out about his sadly assassinated father. Thank you.
You should research what RFK jr says about the autopsy and how it couldn’t have been Sirhan
RFK Jr. is an unhinged joke! He's been rejected by the entire Kennedy family including his own siblings. His father would be turning in his grave if he only knew what his son is up to today. What a shame and a disgrace to tarnish his father's good name.
@@utubefreshie how so? Curious I know he’s now on the republican side is that why you’re so against him I take it?
@@UAPenisHe's turned into a conspiracy theorist, vaccine denier, opportunist, and just a plain weirdo. The current Republican party itself is a joke and not the decent Reagan/ McCain/ Romney Republican party of back in the day. Surely you can see that.
@@UAPenis He's turned into a conspiracy theorist, vaccine denier, opportunist, and just a plain weirdo. The current Republican party itself is a joke and not the decent Reagan/ McCain/ Romney Republican party of back in the day. Surely you can see that.
I do wish these were just presented by Dominic alone
I have a lot of admiration for Robert Kennedy but i agree he would not have gotten the nomination in 1968.
Why do you think that ? I disagree.
I watched the results of the primary and went to bed right before the assassination.
Do Tom and Dominic know that RFK's own son is absolutely convinced, and has detailed reasons why, the killer of RFK could not have been the one convicted for it?
That would be the son who is himself crazier than a shit-house rat.
If that was supposed to be RFK's accent in the initial reading, you might want to check your pronunciation of "world." Totally Brit. 😅 I might add with respect to your comments about Ethel Skakel that she was raised Catholic and was extremely devout. It was in the private Sacred Heart School in Manhattan that she met Bobby Kennedy's sister, which is how she met Bobby. It is true that her father came from old Protestant money but the marriage of Ethel and Bobby was not a merger of Catholic and Protestant.
The Furry Freak Brothers? I'm impressed!
Yes.
Yes! I believe he would have gotten the Dem nom and gone on to trounce Nixon.
Absolutely one of the worst things to have happened. I went to bed after he won the CA primary. The next day when I found out he was dead, I was numb for a long time. 😢
I still feel it sometimes: what could have been. Sigh.
I don’t think RFK would have won in 1968!
Why didn't you try to imitate Bobby Kennedy's voice when you read his speech out - it could have been really effective Tom?
They had 11 children n
Not surprised that Mcarthy didn't like you.
The Eoghanachta McCarthy versus the Dalcassian Kennedy is an old Munster feud.
Clover hat
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there was a recent interview with Sirhan Sirhan who said "I'm sure that RFK would pardon me."
Wow, I guess it sux that you murdered him, huh?
A lie too big to Fail by Lisa Pease. Well worth a read and too detailed to be dismissed.
She did an interview on Fox (of all outlets! - it's a three parter on RUclips) - worth a watch.
People might like America's Untold Stories channel for details on Sirhan Sirhan
I was unable to comment on RUclips the rest is politics we're Dominic just appeared post-election. Like so many viewers have a massive appreciation of common Dominic, their serious work and intellect. I just have to say it's so much bothers me that 90% of intellectuals must be anti-trump anti-republican. Recently they talked about what a selfish and vicious person LBJ/johnson was. Is bigger than Trump ego I'm sure one did a lot of his effort towards human rights and helping America. If if tnd did as much research on evil modern politicians as they say they did on Trump they would discover how that he of warmongers such as Boris Johnson who had a peace treaty with Russia and then purposely scuttled it !! Tony Blair and co. Are equally selfish warmongers. And when I think of Hillary Clinton I can only think of for war making, her route comments on the death of Gaddafi which left Libya in chaos. Her centering her worth on commanding to bin Laden Navy raid. At least when Trump gets in we will quickly move towards peace with Russia, diffuse atomic or threat and reduce heavily in Syria, etc. Having held us officer rank for years, can tell you the military such a wonderful way to an easy life with promotions, raises endless steak dinners in the mess hall, roast beef everyday, people sending you sweets and premium Starbucks coffee to war zones. The European armies I loved and worked closely with in Africa but mostly gone the Hillary warmonger route lately, maybe because Europe seems to be so irrelevaChina the huge question everyone ignores is how do we compete against China, you despite some setbacks still thoroughly dominates the world economy. And Dominic, if you think minorities / blacks do not like Trump, I know firsthand a dozen in Colorado who couldn't wait for Kamala to lose today and we get some actual immigration policy and handle on soaring crime. People steal any car or sight and gasoline in broad daylight in Denver !! So instead of looking at Trump's faults etc. look at the massive failures of the West, stock market real estate mass obsession., ... In the UK you could try making the trains run or actually manufacturing cars again instead of lecturing people how to help. Thank you
I typed thqt " Johnson UNdid his efforts". Open tight party works anymore, about as reliable as useless AI.
what about the girl in the polka dot dress
😂 that accent at the start.
Ethel Kennedy died just a week or two ago.
the proper RFK