The Titanic: Who Survived And What Happened To Them
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- Опубликовано: 21 мар 2024
- "Then it is I drown again, with all those dim lost faces I never understood… Include me in your lamentations.”
The aftermath of the Titanic’s sinking saw different reactions erupt across the Atlantic, and the responses of both mourners and onlookers were visceral. Guilt-ridden survivors were both ostracised and lauded. Heroes became legends - the unsinkable Molly Brown and the band that played on till the frozen end - while villains were condemned forever more. Reputations were splintered and characters blackened as the investigation went on. None more so than J. Bruce Ismay, the head of White Star, whose survival was viewed as a weakness of character. But the key question needed answering: was anyone really to blame, and if yes, who?
Join Dominic and Tom, as they discuss the terrible aftershocks of the sinking of the Titanic, as they unpick truth from legend, and analyse James Cameron’s 1995 film, which famously immortalised this extraordinary story.
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What a wonderful series of two historic intellectuals putting life into meaningful perspective - you guys have put history on another level
My absolute favourite podcast! I was always a mathematician and the humanities took a back seat, but as I approach the 40th year I start enjoying history more and more, especially presented with such humour.
Interesting sidebar: The concept of "women and children first" started with the sinking of the Birkenhead off the coast at Gansbaai near Cape Town/Cape of Good Hope in 1852.
I once arrived in Belfast with a couple of Norwegians to work on an oil rig at Harland and Wolff. We got a taxi to the shipyard, and the taxi driver was talking about the Titanic. He was talking about sectarianism at Harland and Wolff, and how Catholics like his forefathers found it very difficult to find employment there. One of the Norwegians said 'how awful!', and the taxi driver retorted 'oh we didn't mind, we were busy building the iceberg!'
Bruce Ismay lived in Costelloe Lodge, near Casla in Connemara, County Galway. My Great-Grandad built a couple of fishing boats for him in the 1920s.
So the titanic went down a few weeks after Scott perished in the Antarctic ,ice and cold had a lot to answer for in 1012.
You two play off each other so well it makes these podcasts doubly entertaining.
Never realized I could watch this podcast, I'm addicted to it on prime , has become my go to podcast
Can you explain to me why? I just finished school and I have VOWED never to learn anything ever again!!!!! Why would anyone voluntarily learn stuff when you can watch movies, have fun, eat crisps and chocolates all day every day for ever
What’s prime?
@@wiseguy8828 I believe Amazon Prime perhaps?
Surprised at the low number of likes this has got. Love this podcast, always provokes deep conversations with my other half.
You left out the other contemporary "heroic failure" the Scott Expedition had died less than a month before, it would be 6 more months till the bodies were found and a bit longer for the news to get out.
I really love Tom reading out the ridiculous dialogue from the Titanic movie.
It seems that that rate the ship sank would prohibit the launching of many more lifeboats. The crew and passengers would need to drill to improve their loading time.
Never clicked on a video so quickly!
A TITANIC podcast indeed! Marvelous series, gentleman! Hoo-rah!
What happened to the iceberg?
Went on its way to finally melt away somewhere south. Was photographed the next day.
Got hooked on heroin. Went through a phase of different musical projects but it never really went anywhere. Eventually hit rock bottom and faded away into the annals of history.
Did what icebergs do; kept itself below the surface (keeping a low profile) so who knows.
Reckon the Americans bombed it?
There was no iceberg, it was a cgi berg with thermite explosives. Big shipping are responsible.
Loved this series! Have you considered doing an episode on the Laconia incident? A fascinatingly sad story
Absolutely brilliant podcast, and a great telling of this remarkable story.
A really excellent series. So much detail and so much compassion. It’s an amazing listen.
Really great series. Thank you.
This was really wonderful, thank you!
I can’t believe that there is no mention on your part of the loss of the Heir to the Earldom of Grantham
Yes, that was an unforgivable omission . 😊
My favourite quote from Cameron's 'Titanic' is when Roy Scheider says, on seeing the iceberg, "You're gonna need a bigger boat!".....or have I got the right movie?
Wrong movie, pal. This one is where Quint calls Thomas Andrews a half-assed astronaut!
Brilliant stuff!
Say what you will about "Titanic," I saw it in a theater & now I know close to how it would feel to be in a disaster like that ... Same thing happened when the heat went off at a winter screening of "A Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovitch" many years ago. Movies that can do this are remarkable & I think valuable.
Wonderful. Thank you.
Yeah, I really enjoyed the movie. It was an impressive scale and a great story with great actors.
Superb series
I live in Halifax Nova Scotia. The bodies of the dead were brought here, and many are buried here. Some of the filming of Titanic happened here, and one of the best legends of the city is the time someone spiked the clam chowder at the wrap party with PCP, landing many people in hospital.
Never has a man been so wrong about an histroical figure. Dominic, I love you, but Captain Smith, despite being a Central Casting Captain, did just about everything wrong. The Titanic was a Golden Parachute assignment to cap off a great career. Yet, he was past his prime and his inadequacy ended up killing hundreds of people who might otherwise have survived. Indeed, another Captain may have saved the ship herself.
Smith never actually gave the order to abandon ship. Once his junior officers told him the ship would sink, he left the bridge and wandered around essentially doing nothing.
The British report is said to be the template for Peter Cook's epic sketch satirizing the Thorpe murder trial
When Titanic came out, I saw the film with an Irish- American man who was fascinated by the story of the Irish immigrants on the ship, and the construction of the ship, not the romance.
I would of carked it. Male and working class. Well done series fellas
Dominic's wedding band moves from his ring finger to his thumb (43:45) and back. Now I can't stop watching for it. 😟
Love you guys! Funny and insightful. But I will repeat, “No Taxation, without Representation”. I can’t join TRIH Club unless I get my moneys worth and you come to Toronto sometime!🙏
I live in the Maritimes, N.B. Canada our neighbour province is Nova Scotia 209 bodies are brought to Halifax ,59 bodies are claimed by families, the remaining 150 are buried in 3 cemeteries in the city. The Maritime Museum of the Atlantic web site has more information on these people.
The floors were all Lino but a firm claimed to have made the carpet in the 1st class dining saloon and so they got an order to make them for the film. Chancers 😂
I love this.. Great work fellas thanks for entertaining the ghastly crowd.. 😂
Did you see the warning from RUclips?
I'm not sure where you guys are getting the "3 inches longer" from. Everything I've seen says the three sister ships had the same dimensions but the Titanic weighed more.
I've enjoyed this series but feel disappointed that a) no mention was made of why Dominic is a White Star man (because his name ends with '-ic') and b) that they didn't mention the Nazi Titanic film as one of the stranger itirations of the Titanic legend.
Is it true that Churchill was seen to cry on a sufficient number of occasions to cause him to be known for the tendency? Even if true, 1912 was far too early for Churchill to have given cover to the admirably empathic among us - we the unashamed crybabies.
A little surprised you didn’t site Hardy’s poem Convergence of the Twain or the curse the disaster heaped on the Boston Red Sox. They would never win another championship for 100 years.
Here for Dominic's nihilistic interpretation...
...but it doesn't matter. ;-)
Wow
How you restrained yourself from ending an episode with “Be British boys!” I will never know.
To my mind all Ismay had to do was get wet. Lightoller did it, he was a smart guy. He could have worked it out to quickly jump in the water near a life boat. He was around them all night. So he didn’t want to get wet and that to me is cowardly considering…
Who built the British war ships at that time? Did Belfast do some?
The Titanic tragedy is an example of a Black Swan event..
Is it tho ? 🤔
One thing about Churchill’s comment, ‘race’ meant something different back then, it just meant ‘the people of land/country’ regardless of colour etc.
Also, is he not right? Men willing to die to let women and children survive? I wouldn’t want to live in a society that thought differently
No, he meant race. It's just that they divided Caucasians into sub types; Anglo Saxon, Mediterranean, Teutonic, Nordic etc. And also saw Irish as "a breed apart". The early 20th century was the height of "scientific racism." 15:55
@@humblescribe8522 ah you’re an unintellectual. You’d know Churchill was against the (largely left wing) scientific racism and eugenics, if you had ever read anything about the subject
Walt Disney,? Karl Marx?!
It melted, eventually. Good riddance.
It was owned by an American. IMM, no?
Woke bishop
When do you get back to the good stuff? Cathage and Rome etc...?
(2 nd greatest anti semite)
Laugh at stoicism, shame on you.
You should be stoical about it. Shame on you.
cant wait for the series on history's 2nd most famous antisemite
Henry Ford? 🤔
Obviously the loss of life is most important, but also the loss of a big ship which would have been a troop/hospital ship in WWI, like Olympic and Britannic.
Sadly Olympic was scrapped in the 30s because Cunard wanted to cull White Star’s popular ships. Again Olympic would have been a troop ship in WWII, and this could have led to it being preserved like the Cunard Queens.
No. Olympic was worn out by 1936. She was 25 years old with outdated fuel guzzling engines and a clapped out passenger fit out. Cunard had two big new ships coming into service in the Queens to run their express service to New York and a group of more modern 30,000 ton ships on the Liverpool-Boston, Liverpool-Halifax runs. They also scraped the Mauritiania, Beringeria, Majestic etc. All the big ships of the pre WWI building spree were scrapped then. The only one that survives is Aquitania and she is scheduled for the breakers when the Queen Elizabeth is in service before WWII intervenes.
White Star had already designed and were laying down Majestic, a diesel in the size class of the Queens, to replace Olympic before the takeover by Cunard. The steel for that ship is used for a pair of smaller ships by Cunard that are the last White Star branded ships, Britannic and Georgic. Some of those smaller second line ships on the secondary emigrant runs.